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Peckerwood
Oct 10th, 2008, 10:45 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1075809/No-barbed-wire--hurt-thieves-allotment-holders-told.html

A gardener who fenced off his allotment with barbed wire after being targeted by thieves has been ordered to take it down – in case intruders scratch themselves.

Bill Malcolm erected the 3ft fence after thieves struck three times in just four months, stealing tools worth around £300 from his shed and ransacking his vegetable patch.

But Bromsgrove district council has ordered the 61-year-old to remove the waist-high fence on health and safety grounds.

Mr Malcolm, who has grown potatoes, onions, beetroot and asparagus on two patches at the Round Hill allotments in Marlbrook, Worcestershire, for the past eight years, said: 'It's an absolutely ridiculous situation.

'All I wanted was to protect my property but the wire had to go in case a thief scratched himself.

'The fence was just a single strand and ringing my property. It was only 3ft high – it wasn't as though I'd dug a moat filled with piranha fish and erected 6ft iron railings.

'The council said they were unhappy about the precautions I had made but my response was to tell them that only someone climbing over on to my allotment could possibly hurt themselves.

'They shouldn't be trespassing in the first place but the council apologised and said they didn't want to be sued by a wounded thief.

'I told them to let the thief sue me so at least that way I would know who was breaking into my allotment but everything I said fell on deaf ears. It seems as though they are so wrapped up in red tape, they are unable to help me.'

Mr Malcolm said he had been robbed three times since June, along with around 16 of the 50 allotment keepers on the site.

'About £300 worth of tools were taken, including everything from a stainless steel border spade and pitchforks to screwdrivers and hammers,' he added. 'The thieves cut through steel locks on the shed, or broke in through the windows. I caught one lad of about 16 red-handed.

'He dropped the bag of tools and fled, but although the police took a description and finger prints, I heard nothing. Another time yobs broke in and completely trashed my potato and vegetable patches.

'A lot of people, myself included, are growing our own veg to beat the credit crunch. But what's the point if they are going to be ripped up by mindless idiots?

'I take care of this allotment but it's very demoralising to have your belongings stolen and your hard work ruined.'

A spokesman for Bromsgrove council said: 'With regard to the barbed wire, when this is identified on site, we are obliged to request its removal or remove it on health and safety grounds.'

Sergeant Nick Husbands, of West Mercia Police, said: 'We can confirm that five thefts from Round Hill allotments have been reported in the past year.

'These have mainly been from sheds and our advice to allotment holders is not to leave anything of value there.'

Mr Malcolm's plight comes just weeks after Bristol council angered allotment holders by urging them not to lock their sheds in case burglars damaged them breaking in.

FazerRider
Oct 10th, 2008, 10:48 PM
he should get some attack dogs.

flimbs
Oct 11th, 2008, 12:13 AM
he should get some attack dogs.
But then the attack dogs might bite the thieves.

zoolander
Oct 11th, 2008, 12:20 AM
This senior I know has this killer shrub that's just like barb wire. It's a bylaw in our city that you can't have it on your property unless, no pun, it was grandfathered, ie: you had it before the bylaw was passed.

It runs along one side of his property and he makes sure its big and healthy, lol.

CCCC3333
Oct 11th, 2008, 12:21 AM
it wasn't as though I'd dug a moat filled with piranha fish and erected 6ft iron railings.
He should have done that instead.

ephemera
Oct 11th, 2008, 12:33 AM
Anything I read from Dailymail UK I find they exaggerate. They probably said his barb wire fence was an eyesore and he ran to the paper and claimed all sorts of BS. Why not just get a guard dog?

Uncle Cool
Oct 11th, 2008, 09:07 AM
In my opinion, make the fence 8 feet high and put the barbed wire at the top. ONLY people climbing it would be injured so to hell with them.

Second, getting a dog is not an option because it costs time and money and the dog will trample the garden anyway.

zoolander
Oct 11th, 2008, 10:50 AM
Our fence bylaw is 6 feet max.


Reminds me of the guy who got sued in the states somewhere because he rigged his basement window to electrocute trespassers and it gave the burglar a heart attack or something.

FazerRider
Oct 11th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Our fence bylaw is 6 feet max.


Reminds me of the guy who got sued in the states somewhere because he rigged his basement window to electrocute trespassers and it gave the burglar a heart attack or something.

u got a source? would like to read the article.

Shaner
Oct 11th, 2008, 11:01 AM
Our fence bylaw is 6 feet max.


Reminds me of the guy who got sued in the states somewhere because he rigged his basement window to electrocute trespassers and it gave the burglar a heart attack or something.

You would get sued for the same thing in Canada and would probably face criminal charges as well. You can't rig your property to hurt or kill trespassers.

edgedamage
Oct 11th, 2008, 11:12 AM
You would get sued for the same thing in Canada and would probably face criminal charges as well. You can't rig your property to hurt or kill trespassers.
Too bad it would make for less convicts.

Shaner
Oct 11th, 2008, 11:25 AM
Too bad it would make for less convicts.

Agreed.

UrbanPoet
Oct 11th, 2008, 12:34 PM
You would get sued for the same thing in Canada and would probably face criminal charges as well. You can't rig your property to hurt or kill trespassers.

If so... Then what about barbwire that people put on top of fences all the time?
Thats kinda like a booby trap.

Shaner
Oct 11th, 2008, 01:03 PM
If so... Then what about barbwire that people put on top of fences all the time?
Thats kinda like a booby trap.

No it's not. By putting up barb wire you're not intentionally trying to harm another person. Whereas if you make it so that if someone opens a window from the outside they get shot in the face with a shot gun, there's no doubt that you're trying to inflict harm, regardless of whether they should or shouldn't have been opening the window.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if there were by-laws preventing people from putting barb wire fences around their residential property.

Evil Baby
Oct 11th, 2008, 03:10 PM
the gentleman in question to sue the council for higher insurance rates, and after he makes too many claims and gets denied insurance he should sue the council for insurance and mental stress.

freddy65
Oct 11th, 2008, 05:47 PM
... I told them to let the thief sue me so at least that way I would know who was breaking into my allotment

lol :D

blainehamilton
Oct 11th, 2008, 08:10 PM
He should raise the height of the fence, and remove the barb wire at the top.

Then put 3' spikes on the other side for anyone who tries to hop over.

Would be burgalars make excellent garden fertilizer... :cheesygri

freddy65
Oct 11th, 2008, 08:32 PM
apply 110v to fence, no need for barbed wire.

hitman047
Oct 11th, 2008, 09:56 PM
In Common Law (Canada follows Common Law), there is something called a "duty of common humanity" which forbids an occupier (landlord/house owner) from setting any sort of booby trap with an intention to cause injury to any person accessing your property, including a trespasser.

So, yes, if you were to setup barbed wires and if a thief was to get hurt, then you definitely would have to pay for his injury.