Kilt dissapearing as Schoolgirl Uniform

[_Allan_]

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(had to do it this way, as 24hrs is a PDF / Digital newspaper)

[FazerRider]

those *cough cough* young and innocent catholic school girls cant roll up their skirts no more.

[ipxxx]

when i read the topic and saw 'disappearing' i thought it meant... something else =)

[Eyies]

Big disappointment to perverts everywhere.

[jumbojones]

That's too bad, I think the hottest thing I ever saw was a chick wearing a kilt on the back of a motorcycle.

[corrupt123]

Hilarious.

The fact that the Goverment funds catholic schools pisses me off, and it' for reasons like this. A ******** policy essentially put in place to turn kids into soldiers... or prisoners, depending how you look at it. I'm all for a dresscode, but theres a difference between telling kids to make sure top meets bottom, and telling them to wear the same thing everyday.

My favourite part? I know a lot of catholic school grads, especially ones from the suburbs (Remember that great safe cuddly place to raise a family?) and most of them are sleeping around, doing tons of drugs, and in general just as bad as us inner city kids. When will the "grown ups" learn :rolleyes:

[FazerRider]

My favourite part? I know a lot of catholic school grads, especially ones from the suburbs (Remember that great safe cuddly place to raise a family?) and most of them are sleeping around, doing tons of drugs, and in general just as bad as us inner city kids. When will the "grown ups" learn :rolleyes:

grrr... no comment.

[_Allan_]

when i read the topic and saw 'disappearing' i thought it meant... something else =)

Big disappointment to perverts everywhere.

ipxxx is what Eyies is talkin' about ... the pervs *LMAO*

[AcidBomber]

If you ask me, that's a good move. :)

[chinese zzz]

Bad news for girls... :!:

Lucky we are guys here.. :cool:

[sexpuppet6000]

:(

[Uncle Cool]

Only pedophiles seem to be upset about this 'distressing news'.

Who cares?

Making students wear uniforms is a stupid idea anyway.

[beerbaron105]

It was wonderful in highschool, girls would wear their kilts so high, and have barely anything on underneath, then one day a girl bent over in front of the Principal and exposed all bare ass, he promptly enforced mandatory tights for all girls wearing kilts !

[CSK'sMom]

Our school board here in Niagara isn't. They just redesigned them a couple of years ago so that they are all skorts now. No more hiking them up, etc.

Corrupt, that is why there is a choice between school boards. Follow the rules or you can go to the other board. Many, many of us choose with our kids which school they will attend. We go in with eyes wide open. Artificial hair colors, piercings, tats, etc are all forbidden in one way shape of form. Ours love their uniforms, by the way. :cheesygri

[littlevince]

Hilarious.

The fact that the Goverment funds catholic schools pisses me off, and it' for reasons like this. A ******** policy essentially put in place to turn kids into soldiers... or prisoners, depending how you look at it. I'm all for a dresscode, but theres a difference between telling kids to make sure top meets bottom, and telling them to wear the same thing everyday.

My favourite part? I know a lot of catholic school grads, especially ones from the suburbs (Remember that great safe cuddly place to raise a family?) and most of them are sleeping around, doing tons of drugs, and in general just as bad as us inner city kids. When will the "grown ups" learn :rolleyes:



wow how old are you??? let me guess 16?? 17??

[corrupt123]

wow how old are you??? let me guess 16?? 17??

Tell me why it matters (or what you're getting at) and I'll be happy to tell you. In fact, I think it probably says on my profile.

I'm all for choosing to go to an institution that requires a "clean" look, but a lot of the time (especially in the burbs and the country) it's a choice between a school 900m away or 9km away.

[Emancipated]

You just know it was a pervert who instituted this dresscode eons passed.

I would usually see older guys picking up their girlfriends in their beat up Hondas or Mustangs/Trans Am next to my school and these guys are probably in their 20s or 30s. Either way, sexual assaults in schools and in general are rife and they need to do something to curtail that.

[Uncle Cool]

You just know it was a pervert who instituted this dresscode eons passed.

I would usually see older guys picking up their girlfriends in their beat up Hondas or Mustangs/Trans Am next to my school and these guys are probably in their 20s or 30s. Either way, sexual assaults in schools and in general are rife and they need to do something to curtail that.

Maybe punishing the criminals instead of the victims would help...

[Piro21]

Tell me why it matters (or what you're getting at) and I'll be happy to tell you. In fact, I think it probably says on my profile.

I'm all for choosing to go to an institution that requires a "clean" look, but a lot of the time (especially in the burbs and the country) it's a choice between a school 900m away or 9km away.

This. Plus most catholic schools are attached to a PUBLIC library and PUBLIC community center, whereas public schools are out in the middle of nowhere by themselves. The most outrageous example I've seen is that one by erin mills town centre in Mississauga. The catholic school has a full greenhouse, car garage, public library, and public community center (with big parking lot and two pools) attached, whereas the public school nearby gets nothing like that.

[jb22]

As someone who went to a Catholic high school, well, lets just say I loved high school and I am not going to lie, the uniform, at least the girls uniform played a part in that. That being said there was always the few girls that even other students realized were abusing the uniform.

I do have to disagree with people against uniforms in schools - I think it's a good thing for parents, teachers and even students.

It's good for parents because you don't have to spend cash throughout the year trying to fund your kids desire to have the latest and greatest fad.

It's good for teachers because it's one less thing to deal with in theory - although I remember witnessing teachers having to deal with some girls in regards to their kilt lengths.

It's also good for the students - as a guy, I didn't mind my uniform - it was one less thing to worry about in the mornings. It teaches kids an important lesson - that they do not have authoritative powers yet, that they are still kids and haven't earned rights and freedoms yet. The problem with kids today is that they think they have a right to have a say in the way they live their life. See, kids for the most part are ignorant and don't know everything despite thinking otherwise. They need to not be allowed to do whatever they want to avoid getting into stupid problems and situations. Discipline and control aren't bad things for kids. Also, not every kid is a winner or special or god's gift. But now I'm starting to rant off topic.

And for people who say it takes away from kids getting a chance to express themselves - if you need your clothing to do all the speaking for you, then you have a lame personality. Put more focus on learning, that is why their in school isn't it.

And in regards to littlevince's comment - those kids you know who are acting badly so to speak, that has a lot more to do with a lack or parenting and discipline then it does with the fact they go to a Catholic school, wear uniforms or live in the suburbs.

[felixdd]

As someone who went to a Catholic high school, well, lets just say I loved high school and I am not going to lie, the uniform, at least the girls uniform played a part in that. That being said there was always the few girls that even other students realized were abusing the uniform.

I do have to disagree with people against uniforms in schools - I think it's a good thing for parents, teachers and even students.

It's good for parents because you don't have to spend cash throughout the year trying to fund your kids desire to have the latest and greatest fad.

It's good for teachers because it's one less thing to deal with in theory - although I remember witnessing teachers having to deal with some girls in regards to their kilt lengths.

It's also good for the students - as a guy, I didn't mind my uniform - it was one less thing to worry about in the mornings. It teaches kids an important lesson - that they do not have authoritative powers yet, that they are still kids and haven't earned rights and freedoms yet. The problem with kids today is that they think they have a right to have a say in the way they live their life. See, kids for the most part are ignorant and don't know everything despite thinking otherwise. They need to not be allowed to do whatever they want to avoid getting into stupid problems and situations. Discipline and control aren't bad things for kids. Also, not every kid is a winner or special or god's gift. But now I'm starting to rant off topic.

And for people who say it takes away from kids getting a chance to express themselves - if you need your clothing to do all the speaking for you, then you have a lame personality. Put more focus on learning, that is why their in school isn't it.

And in regards to littlevince's comment - those kids you know who are acting badly so to speak, that has a lot more to do with a lack or parenting and discipline then it does with the fact they go to a Catholic school, wear uniforms or live in the suburbs.

So you spent the entire post ranting about how how the uniforms aid in teaching children good values and such, and at the end dismiss an observation that runs counter to your theory by claiming it's a lack of parenting and discipline.

Let me flip it around then. Wouldn't good parenting lead to all the values you said above -- knowing one's limitations, learning discipline, etc. -- rather than simply shirt and trousers? Not that I'm agreeing to the fact that uniforms cause trouble. I'm just pointing out some internal inconsistencies in your argument.

As for you saying that kids shouldn't have choice. Humans are intensely expressive, and moreso at the age of adolescence, when children are exploring their self-identity. Even if you're in the business world, you have the freedom of choosing what color suit/shirt/tie you want to wear. But dismissing any individual's need of individuality by "saying if you need your clothing to do all the speaking for you, then you have a lame personality" isn't all that empathetic IMHO.

[anycee]

I would have been happier if my school had unifors. I really don't think forcing kids to wear the same clothing kills their identity or their creativity. I think it means less potential for trouble and less parent's money wasted on g-unit and enyce.

The fact that there exists schools with uniforms where people do drugs and sleep around doesn't really show anything. My school didn't have uniforms, and, oddly enough, people did drugs and slept around. They also wore short skirts and made people who couldn't afford brand X feel uncool.

Uniforms are not going to make up for terrible parenting, that doesn't mean they are a bad thing.

[jb22]

So you spent the entire post ranting about how how the uniforms aid in teaching children good values and such, and at the end dismiss an observation that runs counter to your theory by claiming it's a lack of parenting and discipline.

Let me flip it around then. Wouldn't good parenting lead to all the values you said above -- knowing one's limitations, learning discipline, etc. -- rather than simply shirt and trousers? Not that I'm agreeing to the fact that uniforms cause trouble. I'm just pointing out some internal inconsistencies in your argument.

As for you saying that kids shouldn't have choice. Humans are intensely expressive, and moreso at the age of adolescence, when children are exploring their self-identity. Even if you're in the business world, you have the freedom of choosing what color suit/shirt/tie you want to wear. But dismissing any individual's need of individuality by "saying if you need your clothing to do all the speaking for you, then you have a lame personality" isn't all that empathetic IMHO.

Yes, the uniform aids in helping kids focus, but I never said it's the single means to making kids great. My point of view is that is a lot of how kids act and turn out comes back to their parenting - their are other factors as well, of course but I can't help but think the way a child is raised and the way the parents interact with a child will play a great part in how they will turn out.

Wearing a uniform doesn't excuse parents from doing their job - or if the teacher is crappy - it's not a guarantee that the kids will all of a sudden be disciplined or focused. But I think it can help in setting an environment to help kids learn in that they aren't worried about their clothing they way kids do in regards to brands. It sets the scene in the classroom. All the students are equal but the teacher is the authoritative figure.

And yes, I know kids are going to express themselves, and clothing is a format to do so - but it isn't the only way. I actually think it can help kids better develop a personality as they don't get to use their clothing of choice to do it for them. They can't hide behind their clothing in a sense. They have to express themselves through their work, their thinking, interacting with others.

At least while wearing a uniform a kid has to put some thought into how they want to make their individuality clear to others - as opposed to going to the mall, walking into a store and filling into a stereotypical look, say the emo look, the gino look, and so on.

Look, a lot of kids aren't that clever - they'll just mimic a look to fit into the social group they want to be associated with. Kids with strong personalities will be able to convey it even while wearing a uniform. They will still be able to socialize - and social groups will still exist. But it's based on people's personalities and interests rather then just what they wear.

And I'm not saying if kids don't wear uniforms they won't have strong personalities or automatically be bad people. I just think the uniform can help in the school setting.

[jb22]

I would have been happier if my school had unifors. I really don't think forcing kids to wear the same clothing kills their identity or their creativity. I think it means less potential for trouble and less parent's money wasted on g-unit and enyce.

The fact that there exists schools with uniforms where people do drugs and sleep around doesn't really show anything. My school didn't have uniforms, and, oddly enough, people did drugs and slept around. They also wore short skirts and made people who couldn't afford brand X feel uncool.

Uniforms are not going to make up for terrible parenting, that doesn't mean they are a bad thing.

You did a much better job in saying what I was trying to.

[sweeper]

:( +2

[deep]

Guys, relax. We'll always have Japan.

[Digital_Domain]

Our school board here in Niagara isn't. They just redesigned them a couple of years ago so that they are all skorts now. No more hiking them up, etc.
I know a lot of private schools that have moved to skorts (kilt over actual shorts) years ago (~5). I remember when it first happened and all the girls in our grade scrambled to grab any of the remaining kilts. Why they don't just make the skorts the new policy along with pants for the colder months? It's worked for the schools I know of. I'd say a kilt is like almost a cultural standard for a girl's uniform.

[dre145]

went to a catholic school, and even tho i hated them when i was in school it think its a good thing.

But some of you are making pretty stupid arguments... a uniform is just that a peice of clothing, it didnt change the way people acted or what they did. Its not like everyone became an angle when we wore it. We were like anyother school, had the nerds, "gangsta's" drug dealers etc not to the extent as other schools but thats mostly because of the area the school is in and its image not because we wore uniforms.

[Happy13178]

You just know it was a pervert who instituted this dresscode eons passed.

I would usually see older guys picking up their girlfriends in their beat up Hondas or Mustangs/Trans Am next to my school and these guys are probably in their 20s or 30s. Either way, sexual assaults in schools and in general are rife and they need to do something to curtail that.

+1

My old male guidance councillor in high school used to make girls kneel on the floor in front of him to measure with a ruler how far above the knee their skirts were. To this day, I don't know how he avoided having an angry father come in and pummel him.

[isom3tric]

Guys, relax. We'll always have Japan.

LOL

+1

I went to a catholic school and we didn't have a greenhouse, swimming pool and such =( I got ripped off!

[CSK'sMom]

I know a lot of private schools that have moved to skorts (kilt over actual shorts) years ago (~5). I remember when it first happened and all the girls in our grade scrambled to grab any of the remaining kilts. Why they don't just make the skorts the new policy along with pants for the colder months? It's worked for the schools I know of. I'd say a kilt is like almost a cultural standard for a girl's uniform.

Our board offers options. The kilt is not mandatory, the girls have a choice between it or the grey dress pants. Any new policy takes time to phase in, parents would scream blue murder if something they already had was abruptly no longer allowed. For us a kilt is about $130IIRC....

[_Allan_]

Guys, relax. We'll always have Japan.

LOL THat's halarious.

[gmark2000]

My old male guidance councillor in high school used to make girls kneel on the floor in front of him to measure with a ruler how far above the knee their skirts were.

Are you sure that was the reason for kneeling in front of him? Are you sure it was a ruler? ;-)

[i6s1]

Hilarious.

The fact that the Goverment funds catholic schools pisses me off, and it' for reasons like this.

The government funds non-catholic schools as well.

A ******** policy essentially put in place to turn kids into soldiers... or prisoners, depending how you look at it. I'm all for a dresscode, but theres a difference between telling kids to make sure top meets bottom, and telling them to wear the same thing everyday.

You might think that, but then I doubt that you've attended a uniformed school.

My favourite part? I know a lot of catholic school grads, especially ones from the suburbs (Remember that great safe cuddly place to raise a family?) and most of them are sleeping around, doing tons of drugs, and in general just as bad as us inner city kids. When will the "grown ups" learn :rolleyes:

Do you think you might know that ones that drink and screw, and you don't know the ones that don't?

[JAC]

Are you sure that was the reason for kneeling in front of him? Are you sure it was a ruler? ;-)

Dunno; maybe that's why he could never tell if the skirts were more than 6 inches above the knee.

[edgedamage]

At least they won't have their legs frozen off in the winter now.

[nahim.a.a]

Once I saw a girl with kilt at 7am with the temperature at -13 and a windchill of god knows how much and wind blowing snow all around.

I'm also pretty sure she wore that all winter.

[Digital_Domain]

My old male guidance councillor in high school used to make girls kneel on the floor in front of him to measure with a ruler how far above the knee their skirts were. To this day, I don't know how he avoided having an angry father come in and pummel him.
That's pretty standard to measure kilt length. The only odd detail is that it was a male doing the measuring. Our school would do random checks calling the girls out of class, line them up in the hallway and measure the bottom of the kilt to the floor. There's no argument as to the measurement, it is what it is.
Our board offers options. The kilt is not mandatory, the girls have a choice between it or the grey dress pants. Any new policy takes time to phase in, parents would scream blue murder if something they already had was abruptly no longer allowed. For us a kilt is about $130IIRC....
I believe our change was made due to a by-law change or rules, I'm sorry, can't recall exactly, but they just stopped selling them and the skort was it as far as choice. Although if you had an old kilt you were allowed to wear it, hence the mad dash for the old style kilt. Kilts were $60 and skorts like $70IIRC. I know it wasn't as high as $130, though - I feel sorry for those parents.

[plymouthhater]

The government funds non-catholic schools as well.

The poster was in Ontario where the provincial Liberal Govt. openly discriminates (UN Human Rights Commission ruled) by funding Catholic education & Mennonite education (Eden Christian College in St. Catharines On) while refusing to fund education for any other religious group.

[gizmo8]

I would have been happier if my school had unifors. I really don't think forcing kids to wear the same clothing kills their identity or their creativity. I think it means less potential for trouble and less parent's money wasted on g-unit and enyce.

The fact that there exists schools with uniforms where people do drugs and sleep around doesn't really show anything. My school didn't have uniforms, and, oddly enough, people did drugs and slept around. They also wore short skirts and made people who couldn't afford brand X feel uncool.

Uniforms are not going to make up for terrible parenting, that doesn't mean they are a bad thing.


totally agree...instead of students trying to "impress" each other with $300 jeans a uniform dress code is a perfect solution for peer pressures.A single dress code will identify those who do not belong to that school and to be truthful it makes the school look more presentable.Instead of wannabe gang bangers in baggy pants you have a more professional look when there is a dress code.

[_Allan_]

When I originally posted this, I didn't expect to have 3 pages of comments *LOL* THAT being said, I agree - ONE uniform per school. Pants, Shorts, Polo Shirt, "Dress" Shirt / blouse, and that's it.

I wish when I was in school 10 yrs ago, they had this.

[Tyler70]

Hilarious.

The fact that the Goverment funds catholic schools pisses me off, and it' for reasons like this. A ******** policy essentially put in place to turn kids into soldiers... or prisoners, depending how you look at it. I'm all for a dresscode, but theres a difference between telling kids to make sure top meets bottom, and telling them to wear the same thing everyday.

My favourite part? I know a lot of catholic school grads, especially ones from the suburbs (Remember that great safe cuddly place to raise a family?) and most of them are sleeping around, doing tons of drugs, and in general just as bad as us inner city kids. When will the "grown ups" learn :rolleyes:

good post.

[shawn99]

kilts that are worn the higher the more popular it seems. Kilts were at full swing at the place I was at lunch. I'm glad i work near a school =D

[originalnutta]

I went to one of the schools mentioned in the article the OP posted. And the girls there either dressed like skanks, or had on pants which were fine with me.

I'd rather the girls were pants anyways. I'm sure eventually i'll have a daughter and then i'll have to worry about hundreds of other schoolboys much like my former self.

[Dash]

sad blow to schoolboys everywhere.

well, I'm just glad that when I was in HS, they still had them.

[Dash]

went to a catholic school, and even tho i hated them when i was in school it think its a good thing.

But some of you are making pretty stupid arguments... a uniform is just that a peice of clothing, it didnt change the way people acted or what they did. Its not like everyone became an angle when we wore it. We were like anyother school, had the nerds, "gangsta's" drug dealers etc not to the extent as other schools but thats mostly because of the area the school is in and its image not because we wore uniforms.

actually, I always felt catholic schools were worse then public schools. Parents send their problem/troubled kids to catholic schools, thinking it would reform them. but what you'll find is that they just wind up having a school of problem children. And when they get together, it just exacerbates their problematic behaviour.

[CanadianMike]

Corrupt, that is why there is a choice between school boards. Follow the rules or you can go to the other board. Many, many of us choose with our kids which school they will attend. We go in with eyes wide open. Artificial hair colors, piercings, tats, etc are all forbidden in one way shape of form. Ours love their uniforms, by the way. :cheesygri
the issue is that we are publicly funding these schools and entirely seperate school board, for one specific religious group.....and now we have these puritan-esque restrictions being placed on dress and apparently ones own body based on your post.

i find it odd that we use public dollars to enforce the moral code of one religion. its no different than finding it odd that we dump billions upon billions into a catholic school board, then find that they ban books for being 'written by an atheist' and being 'anti-god'.... (http://www.thestar.com/News/article/278845)

theres a problem when those values are being paid for out of everyone's pocket......
The government funds non-catholic schools as well.
so what?

the issue is funding religious schooling. on top of it, it stands out that if you're NOT catholic, your teachings dont get to eat up loads of public funds.

if people want their children to have a catholic education, fund it. otherwise, there are public schools for their children to attend for their education.

i dont see why catholics--or any religious group for that matter--should be placed on this pedastal and given special treatment.

[nano]

i hated my kilt so much..... i actually burnt it when i graduated.

[DLFB]

it was "fun" while it lasted.

I graduated from highschool in 03...had a girl who'd always wear it...

man that thing was good for role playing + easy access.

now they have these cropped pants thing...watch kids take it to the next level by wearing it EXTRA TIGHT.

[lip]

Hilarious.

The fact that the Goverment funds catholic schools pisses me off, and it' for reasons like this. A ******** policy essentially put in place to turn kids into soldiers... or prisoners, depending how you look at it. I'm all for a dresscode, but theres a difference between telling kids to make sure top meets bottom, and telling them to wear the same thing everyday.

My favourite part? I know a lot of catholic school grads, especially ones from the suburbs (Remember that great safe cuddly place to raise a family?) and most of them are sleeping around, doing tons of drugs, and in general just as bad as us inner city kids. When will the "grown ups" learn :rolleyes:

Agree about the funding of this religious nonsense...
Only reason this is not abolished is because a lot of people still believe in Santa as adults(sorry, I meant God)...would be hard to get re-elected.

Fairytales have no place in our education system...

LIP

[input]

People relax. There's a huge difference between a kilt and a skirt...

[Paolo]

This. Plus most catholic schools are attached to a PUBLIC library and PUBLIC community center, whereas public schools are out in the middle of nowhere by themselves. The most outrageous example I've seen is that one by erin mills town centre in Mississauga. The catholic school has a full greenhouse, car garage, public library, and public community center (with big parking lot and two pools) attached, whereas the public school nearby gets nothing like that.

That's cus theres no such thing as a Roman Catholic Library.
Be happy that your a Catholic. and enjoy the ammenities life brings you.