HOV lane users

[bestjsg]

...f'king speed up will you ?? ...:mad:


not that I expect you to be speeding but don't go like 70km/h in rush hours on the HOV lane, if you are not in a hurry , stay home until after 9 and take all the time you want ...what are these losers thinking... ??

[3weddings]

I will assume that you're talking about the HOV on the 404 north, south of Steeles??

Hubby and I were in the 911 last weekend and he was FUMING :mad: :mad: at all the Hondas going 80-90!!!!

We used the 403 that day, and no one that had no business in the HOV was using it!!!

[bestjsg]

I will assume that you're talking about the HOV on the 404 north, south of Steeles??

Hubby and I were in the 911 last weekend and he was FUMING :mad: :mad: at all the Hondas going 80-90!!!!

We used the 403 that day, and no one that had no business in the HOV was using it!!!

Yeah..the 404 south HOV lane, this morning, it took me like 25 mins to travel from McCowan to 404 on Major Mac and expecting to fly down to Sheppard, this stupid red old chev was going like 70 all the way created another lane of traffic ...sigh...people are just so not considerate these days...

[NaturalLemonFlavour]

I agree but then again, better to let them drive in their comfort zone. Accidents 10 times worse then someone going 70. Plus it's pretty damn hard to merge in going 100km/h into lanes that aren't moving.

[bestjsg]

I agree but then again, better to let them drive in their comfort zone. Accidents 10 times worse then someone going 70. Plus it's pretty damn hard to merge in going 100km/h into lanes that aren't moving.


...ar...then they should have stayed on the regular lanes at the first place if they are not comfortable driving over 70....in fact, don't even get on the HWY if that is the case..

[NaturalLemonFlavour]

...ar...then they should have stayed on the regular lanes at the first place if they are not comfortable driving over 70....in fact, don't even get on the HWY if that is the case..

But you would have to slow down anyways when they try to merge in. I admit I get frustrated too sometimes, but being angry every time someone drives 70 will shorten your life by a lot. Especially if you do this everyday

[blue mountain raider]

this aint as bad as getting stuck behind people merging at 70kph. now what were they thinking?

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

maybe beeping the guy or tailgaiting him, or lightly touching his/her bumper will get him/her to go, works for me. Except this one time I beeped an Acura RDX awd turbo and the guy flipped me off and gunned it and omg, yo i need a turbo or supercharger now, that guy went zoom and it took me like 10 seconds to match his speed and catch up to him.

[Piro21]

maybe beeping the guy or tailgaiting him, or lightly touching his/her bumper will get him/her to go, works for me. Except this one time I beeped an Acura RDX awd turbo and the guy flipped me off and gunned it and omg, yo i need a turbo or supercharger now, that guy went zoom and it took me like 10 seconds to match his speed and catch up to him.

Get off the road.

[bestjsg]

I agree but then again, better to let them drive in their comfort zone. Accidents 10 times worse then someone going 70. Plus it's pretty damn hard to merge in going 100km/h into lanes that aren't moving.


I know how hard it is to merge I have to do that when I exit too, my point is that he was in front of me and we entered the HOV lane together, I had to follow him all the way to where I exit yet he was still on the HOV lane going 70..... :mad:

[bestjsg]

maybe beeping the guy or tailgaiting him, or lightly touching his/her bumper will get him/her to go, works for me. Except this one time I beeped an Acura RDX awd turbo and the guy flipped me off and gunned it and omg, yo i need a turbo or supercharger now, that guy went zoom and it took me like 10 seconds to match his speed and catch up to him.

yes , turbo with min. 200 lb torque is fun...:cheesygri

[gq_fuzion]

fully agree with the OP's frustration...
users should be comfortable driving at high speeds to use that lane

drivers should have to get a seperate license for hwy use
i wouldn't mind paying for that license (depending on the cost) if it means people on the hwy will actually know how to drive

[lesnar]

maybe beeping the guy or tailgaiting him, or lightly touching his/her bumper will get him/her to go, works for me. Except this one time I beeped an Acura RDX awd turbo and the guy flipped me off and gunned it and omg, yo i need a turbo or supercharger now, that guy went zoom and it took me like 10 seconds to match his speed and catch up to him.

lol, u never know who carries a gun and will not hesitate to use it.

[bestjsg]

lol, u never know who carries a gun and will not hesitate to use it.


so true....haha..I don't 'rush' people in front of me more because of common respect, people should know and should be considerate...at least you would expect that in North America...

[Bazooka Joe]

this aint as bad as getting stuck behind people merging at 70kph. now what were they thinking?

+1

maybe beeping the guy or tailgaiting him, or lightly touching his/her bumper will get him/her to go, works for me. Except this one time I beeped an Acura RDX awd turbo and the guy flipped me off and gunned it and omg, yo i need a turbo or supercharger now, that guy went zoom and it took me like 10 seconds to match his speed and catch up to him.

I call BS. "lightly touching" someone else's bumper at 70km/h would either get you into an accident or dragged out of your car and beaten.

fully agree with the OP's frustration...
users should be comfortable driving at high speeds to use that lane

drivers should have to get a seperate license for hwy use
i wouldn't mind paying for that license (depending on the cost) if it means people on the hwy will actually know how to drive

It's approximately $2000-$2500 to get your license in Germany (which allows one to reasonably drive on the autobahn where there are no speed limits). Would you be willing to pay this?

[bestjsg]

+1

It's approximately $2000-$2500 to get your license in Germany (which allows one to reasonably drive on the autobahn where there are no speed limits). Would you be willing to pay this?

I would if our road systems would really allow me to save half of my travel time and cut down a lot on my gas and brake pad costs..

[rems]

ummm the HOV lane isn't the fast lane...

[Tomy]

please don't drive if you are planning to drive 70 on the highway (under normal circumstances)

with the street racing law.. we also need a slow racing law..anyone under 20 or more should get a ticket. (under normal circumstances)

[PCDawg]

ummm the HOV lane isn't the fast lane...

In rush hour traffic it is.

But i see your point. In off times where there's less traffic, people go 120 -130 on the regular lanes while some drivers inthe HOV lanes goes 100.

So at times where there's space on the regular lanes, i go there as you have more room to switch lanes if there are slower cars ahead of you.

[KorruptioN]

this aint as bad as getting stuck behind people merging at 70kph. now what were they thinking?

Pisses me off to no end.

maybe beeping the guy or tailgaiting him, or lightly touching his/her bumper will get him/her to go, works for me. Except this one time I beeped an Acura RDX awd turbo and the guy flipped me off and gunned it and omg, yo i need a turbo or supercharger now, that guy went zoom and it took me like 10 seconds to match his speed and catch up to him.

But... kids cannot drive!

ummm the HOV lane isn't the fast lane...

Right, it is beyond the fast lane :lol:

[Tomy]

ummm the HOV lane isn't the fast lane...

but it's not the 70 km lane.

i can't even call it the slow lane.. since u should be doing 100 on the slow lane.

[bestjsg]

ummm the HOV lane isn't the fast lane...

I honestly don't expect ppl on HOV drive 'fast' or speed, I would expect at least 100 km/h if not more... we should have a minimum speed law on our HWY like the UK does.

[rems]

yea they shouldn't be going 70 but you shouldn't expect them to go 120 either.

Well can't cops give them tickets for driving too slow?

Edit: hey it's 2 demerit points for that
2 Unnecessary slow driving
http://www.trafficticketontario.com/drivingrecord.asp

[TrEvOrLiCioUs]

I think the guy in front was just being extra cautious, bcus everyone else is going 20km/h stuck in traffic, he was probably afraid of someone darting out in front of him.

When everyone around you is doing 20km/h its a little unreasonable/dangerous to speed in the left lane.

[Tomy]

yea they shouldn't be going 70 but you shouldn't expect them to go 120 either.

Well can't cops give them tickets for driving too slow?

Edit: hey it's 2 demerit points for that

http://www.trafficticketontario.com/drivingrecord.asp

yea i get what u mean, but u hardly see or hear anyone getting caught for this...since it's so easy to fight these kinda tickets

I think the guy in front was just being extra cautious, bcus everyone else is going 20km/h stuck in traffic, he was probably afraid of someone darting out in front of him.

When everyone around you is doing 20km/h its a little unreasonable/dangerous to speed in the left lane.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

u drive a red chevy?

[qwerty69]

maybe beeping the guy or tailgaiting him, or lightly touching his/her bumper will get him/her to go, works for me. Except this one time I beeped an Acura RDX awd turbo and the guy flipped me off and gunned it and omg, yo i need a turbo or supercharger now, that guy went zoom and it took me like 10 seconds to match his speed and catch up to him.

You're so full of it. Tailgating or lightly touching the bumper of the car on a hwy will cause an accident for sure. What if he slams on the brakes? Then you're in deep trouble. As for the Acura story, you raced that guy for 10 seconds on a busy hwy? Yeah, right. Grow up and stop making up stories.

[Tomy]

You're so full of it. Tailgating or lightly touching the bumper of the car on a hwy will cause an accident for sure. What if he slams on the brakes? Then you're in deep trouble. As for the Acura story, you raced that guy for 10 seconds on a busy hwy? Yeah, right. Grow up and stop making up stories.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[freddy65]

I agree

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

Get off the road.

No you.

lol, u never know who carries a gun and will not hesitate to use it.

True, didn't think about that one!

But... kids cannot drive!


True, I am not a kid =P

You're so full of it. Tailgating or lightly touching the bumper of the car on a hwy will cause an accident for sure. What if he slams on the brakes? Then you're in deep trouble. As for the Acura story, you raced that guy for 10 seconds on a busy hwy? Yeah, right. Grow up and stop making up stories.

k 1, no your full of it. k 2, forgive and forget program. k 3, its not racing cause I/we didn't do anything that is defined as racing by the Ontario gov't new street racing thing. k 4, not a busy highway, late at night, its pretty much dead. you assumed it was during the day and when it was busy.


edit: also you cannot discriminate of who you like or don't like on the road, you've gotta share it regardless of age and not, the only thing you can do is hope they get what's coming at them! =P

[xiLLeNtz]

I honestly don't expect ppl on HOV drive 'fast' or speed, I would expect at least 100 km/h if not more... we should have a minimum speed law on our HWY like the UK does.


+1 to hov not being the fast lane. but it REALLY ticks me off if people there arent doing the minimal speed limit. i hate switching in there and then going down from 100km/hr down to 80.

404 south of steeles.. zz. half the time that place feels like the new hwy 7 that is how slow people go

[DaVibe]

I don't like the HOV Lanes because it's 1 lane and you're obviously never going fast enough for everyone, no matter what speed you're going.

I drive the speed limit in there, maybe slightly above. I think if you want to fly, you should be in another lane.

[DaVibe]

please don't drive if you are planning to drive 70 on the highway (under normal circumstances)

with the street racing law.. we also need a slow racing law..anyone under 20 or more should get a ticket. (under normal circumstances)

I believe there is a ticket for that, it's just not enforced often.
It's a hazard if you drive too slow as well, not always too fast. You have to keep up with the pace of the road.

[at1212b]

Is there that many people carpooling nowadays?

After reading about all this, I'm kind of curious to go just drive around there just for the heck of it and see all the anger and frustration.

[TenzoR]

Is there that many people carpooling nowadays?

After reading about all this, I'm kind of curious to go just drive around there just for the heck of it and see all the anger and frustration.

I car pool for work :) During rush hour I just stay on the right lane.

[rfdrfd]

HOV are f'ing useless.

If they ADDED one lane more to the road and made THAT a HOV lane, then its acceptable.

but when they TAKE AWAY one lane to make it an HOV lane, then that's just ridiculous. We all pay taxes to upkeep the roads, why am I being punished for not being allowed to use HOV?

Give extra incentives to ppl who car pool, but do NOT punish those who don't. Because we are all equally paying taxes here.

What if I drive a BMW Z8 ? Or Audi R8. There is ONLY TWO seats !!!

[rems]

HOV are f'ing useless.

If they ADDED one lane more to the road and made THAT a HOV lane, then its acceptable.

but when they TAKE AWAY one lane to make it an HOV lane, then that's just ridiculous. We all pay taxes to upkeep the roads, why am I being punished for not being allowed to use HOV?

Give extra incentives to ppl who car pool, but do NOT punish those who don't. Because we are all equally paying taxes here.

What if I drive a BMW Z8 ? Or Audi R8. There is ONLY TWO seats !!!

but most of the HOV on the highways are for 2 or more people...I only see the 3 or more in city streets...

[qwerty69]

No you.

k 1, no your full of it. k 2, forgive and forget program. k 3, its not racing cause I/we didn't do anything that is defined as racing by the Ontario gov't new street racing thing. k 4, not a busy highway, late at night, its pretty much dead. you assumed it was during the day and when it was busy.



So you beeped the Acura on an empty hwy? Why did you need to do that? Why didn't you just pass him? Your story is so full of holes. Plus your advice of tapping bumpers is so laughable. Did you know bumpers these days are like cardboard? Any minor impact will result in significant damage. I can tell you never "tapped" bumpers otherwise you would know this. Like I said, stop making up stories and stop giving out foolish advice.

[KorruptioN]

So you beeped the Acura on an empty hwy? Why did you need to do that? Why didn't you just pass him? Your story is so full of holes. Plus your advice of tapping bumpers is so laughable. Did you know bumpers these days are like cardboard? Any minor impact will result in significant damage. I can tell you never "tapped" bumpers otherwise you would know this. Like I said, stop making up stories and stop giving out foolish advice.

He's trolling.

[squall458]

People will never be happy in the HOV lane. Someone will be mad when someone goes at just 100Km/hr and wondering why they arent going faster. But going less than 100KM/hr is just plain annoying.

[Homer88]

Heh... I drive 110 on the HOV lane and people still get pissed at me... :(

[diigii]

Some Toronto/GTA drivers are the worst drivers in North America for their road discipline. Yes, there are so many drivers driving 70 km/h on a 100 km/h highway. They are rolling accidents waiting to happen. And yes, I've seen a lot of people darting in the HOV lane when they are stuck in traffic but wouldn't want to wait any longer. They are so inconsiderate of oncoming fast traffic that they are so close in getting rear-ended. I almost hit a guy in a Mercedes S class while he's on the phone. I guess he felt like he's such an important executive that the HOV lane is just one of his perks. Why can't those people like him get rear-ended by an OPP officer? :lol:

[Avatar]

I found taking the HOV lane is not necessary faster other than rush hour bumper to bumper. Ppl driving slow might as well be away from HOV lane. What's the point for using it?

[Sprite_TM]

i find 100km/hr during rush hours too fast especially when the cars exit. i see cars brake really hard just to try and merge in the already jam packed highway

heck, there shouldnt even be a car pool lane in the first place since its so dangerous. its such a ripoff since they removed a lane to make it HOV

[Keigotw]

People will never be happy in the HOV lane. Someone will be mad when someone goes at just 100Km/hr and wondering why they arent going faster. But going less than 100KM/hr is just plain annoying.

Yah, there are time when I am like doing 110KM/hr and the guy in the back still drive around the solid line to pass me..!!! :mad:

[Sepiraph]

Hey at least u are using the HOV lane rather than stuck at the other lanes aka parking lot.

[urowgn]

I get tailed in the HOV lane when going 110-120km/h. I don't even know how much faster they want me to go.

And all those fools who cut into the HOV lane from a dead stop. It's ridiculous, those are solid lines for a reason. Do they not realize that they are moving into a lane where cars are coming at a much greater speed??

[bestjsg]

Some Toronto/GTA drivers are the worst drivers in North America for their road discipline. Yes, there are so many drivers driving 70 km/h on a 100 km/h highway. They are rolling accidents waiting to happen. And yes, I've seen a lot of people darting in the HOV lane when they are stuck in traffic but wouldn't want to wait any longer. They are so inconsiderate of oncoming fast traffic that they are so close in getting rear-ended. I almost hit a guy in a Mercedes S class while he's on the phone. I guess he felt like he's such an important executive that the HOV lane is just one of his perks. Why can't those people like him get rear-ended by an OPP officer? :lol:


yah,....another thing I really hate to see is people yapping on their cell phone and pay completely no attention to the road...and when you honk them say they didn't stop at the stop sign, going in curves etc, they give you a finger....like WTF ??

[xstatik]

If you are going less than 120km/h on an HOV lane, MOVE OVER to the traffic.

Two stories:
1. A lady on the cell phone, going 60km/h in the HOV on 404, and SHE WAS ALONE IN THE CAR!! I almost called *OPP on her for that one.

2. Funny one, OPP had a car pulled over for single occupant in HOV, had the driver out of the car, and the cop was pointing at the HOV sign that say "2 OR MORE PERSONS" almost asking the driver to read him the sign, like this guy was in Kindergarten and was in trouble with his teacher. The best part was that this was in the middle of rush hour with both directions completely jammed up so everyone could see this.

[rems]

If you are going less than 120km/h on an HOV lane, MOVE OVER to the traffic.



Why? It's the High Occupancy Vehicle lane and not the "Fast" lane?

[Tomy]

Why? It's the High Occupancy Vehicle lane and not the "Fast" lane?

during rush hour sure, go 100 km/hr all u want, since ur "faster" than the rest of the lanes..

however, during normal conditions.. if u are slower than the fast lanes, why would u want to hold up traffic?

in general, if you are slower than the traffic, please don't use the HOV. the HOV is for decongesting traffic, not slowing people down.

[rems]

during rush hour sure, go 100 km/hr all u want, since ur "faster" than the rest of the lanes..

however, during normal conditions.. if u are slower than the fast lanes, why would u want to hold up traffic?

in general, if you are slower than the traffic, please don't use the HOV. the HOV is for decongesting traffic, not slowing people down.

again why? it's for HIGH OCCUPANCY vehicles and not for FAST vehicles!
If it's under normal conditions and there's no traffic, why would you want the HOV users to go to the right lane? Why don't you just move to the fast lane? It doesn't become the fast lane when there's no traffic

[belgiangenius]

this aint as bad as getting stuck behind people merging at 70kph. now what were they thinking?

That's not as bad as the complete imbeciles who stop in the merge lane.

[belgiangenius]

The HOV lane has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas this city has had in some time.

[at1212b]

Its funny listening to the banter back and fourth. I am in the camp that its meant for Car Poolers, though they should still go reasonably faster then the limit. They should just call it the 'Car Pool Lane', instead of HOV, which it seems ppl mistake it for 'Highspeed Only Vehicle'

Also more funny is California has these car pool lanes all over for what seems like endless miles, and although the highways are rammed, people actually drive orderly, make proper lane changes and do go at a reasonable speed above the limit. Nobody seems to get mad, and they all do have the proper amount of people in there (no weaseling in and out), whereas as a much smaller less congested city like Toronto, its literally No Holds Barred.

So this can be effective, but with more proper reinforcement, attentive drivers it can work better. As well, that section of the 404 probably isn't the best highway to implement it due to all the entrances and merging to 401.

[Dixon007]

I agree. I dislike cars going 80-90 on the 401 in the fast lane, the speed limit is 100. not 80. people merge on the highway at 50-60 ??? :confused: give it some gas, it won;t kill you or ur car. maybe just clean ur valves and carbon build up on them.
gesssssssh y0

[KorruptioN]

If you are going less than 120km/h on an HOV lane, MOVE OVER to the traffic.

Seriously?

[untaka]

Bad drivers in the GTA? Get out of here!!! I'm from Brampton and I haven't seen one!

[kleptodathief]

azn river: wot car do u drive? getting pwned by a boat 4x4 LOL

y r u honking him LATE at nite WITH NO traffic:confused:

[Efx]

That's not as bad as the complete imbeciles who stop in the merge lane.

Agreed. Also, who was the moron who decided to create HOV lane next to the passing lane? These slow-moving (80km/h) lane hoggers now have to cross 3 lanes to take their exit. What a disaster.
Example: i see this all the time, traveling northbound on 404 where 407 exit is coming up, some idiots slam on their brakes almost to a complete stop in HOV lane, then they cross 3 lanes to take 407 exit.
I can see at least 3 tow trucks sitting and waiting all the time around that spot.

[Tomy]

again why? it's for HIGH OCCUPANCY vehicles and not for FAST vehicles!
If it's under normal conditions and there's no traffic, why would you want the HOV users to go to the right lane? Why don't you just move to the fast lane? It doesn't become the fast lane when there's no traffic

you are correct, it is the high occupancy lane.. but does that mean everytime u have two+ people in it, you use it? no. As I have said already, if you are going slower than the rest of the lanes, why on earth would you want to use the HOV lane. If everyone thinks like you, the HOV will be the busiest lane.

The purpose of the HOV lane is to decongest our traffic and encourage carpooling. As I've said, as long as you are going faster than the rest of the lanes. you are enjoying the benefits of the HOV.

But if you are on the HOV and the rest of the lanes are faster than you, you are actually holding up traffic behind you, and what benefits does that give you? you could be going the same speed on another lane, yet you choose to go on the HOV lane to hold onto the traffic especially to people who chose to carpool. what benefits does that give you?

for me, if im not in a hurry, im usually stay on the right lane regardless of 1 or 2 people in the car; enjoying my drive until someone decides to go 70 on the highway :mad:

[Tomy]

azn river: wot car do u drive? getting pwned by a boat 4x4 LOL

y r u honking him LATE at nite WITH NO traffic:confused:

i honk at accords with nike signs at night all the time:mad:

[TenzoR]

you are correct, it is the high occupancy lane.. but does that mean everytime u have two+ people in it, you use it? no. As I have said already, if you are going slower than the rest of the lanes, why on earth would you want to use the HOV lane. If everyone thinks like you, the HOV will be the busiest lane.

The purpose of the HOV lane is to decongest our traffic and encourage carpooling. As I've said, as long as you are going faster than the rest of the lanes. you are enjoying the benefits of the HOV.

But if you are on the HOV and the rest of the lanes are faster than you, you are actually holding up traffic behind you, and what benefits does that give you? you could be going the same speed on another lane, yet you choose to go on the HOV lane to hold onto the traffic especially to people who chose to carpool. what benefits does that give you?

for me, if im not in a hurry, im usually stay on the right lane regardless of 1 or 2 people in the car; enjoying my drive until someone decides to go 70 on the highway :mad:

From MTO


HOV (High Occupancy Vehicle) lanes are designed to help move more people through congested areas. HOV lanes offer users a faster, more reliable commute, while also easing congestion in regular lanes - by moving more people in fewer vehicles.


MTO doesn't mention speed or anything, maybe you got it confused with something else. If he is on the HOV lane and the rest of the lanes are going faster than him, then usually that means the hwy is not congested. If you want to pass him, get off HOV and use the Left lane most lane to pass people. Granted the guy going in front of you was going 70km/h that's just wrong anywhere on the HWY.

[Tomy]

you are correct, it is the high occupancy lane.. but does that mean everytime u have two+ people in it, you use it? no. As I have said already, if you are going slower than the rest of the lanes, why on earth would you want to use the HOV lane. If everyone thinks like you, the HOV will be the busiest lane.

The purpose of the HOV lane is to decongest our traffic and encourage carpooling. As I've said, as long as you are going faster than the rest of the lanes. you are enjoying the benefits of the HOV.

But if you are on the HOV and the rest of the lanes are faster than you, you are actually holding up traffic behind you, and what benefits does that give you? you could be going the same speed on another lane, yet you choose to go on the HOV lane to hold onto the traffic especially to people who chose to carpool. what benefits does that give you?

for me, if im not in a hurry, im usually stay on the right lane regardless of 1 or 2 people in the car; enjoying my drive until someone decides to go 70 on the highway :mad:

From MTO

Thanks TenzoR :cheesygri

was too lazy looking for the exact terms

HOV (High Occupancy Vehicle) lanes are designed to help move more people through congested areas. HOV lanes offer users a faster, more reliable commute, while also easing congestion in regular lanes - by moving more people in fewer vehicles.

[Tomy]

From MTO



MTO doesn't mention speed or anything, maybe you got it confused with something else. If he is on the HOV lane and the rest of the lanes are going faster than him, then usually that means the hwy is not congested. If you want to pass him, get off HOV and use the Left lane most lane to pass people.

you are correct, it didn't mention speed.. however, i never mention about a specific speed... im just saying faster or slower than other lanes.. may be re-read what i wrote.

generally, if you are slower on the HOV than other lanes, you are congesting traffic which defies the purpose of the HOV of easing traffic.

if you are faster on the HOV lanes than the rest of the lanes, you are 1. easing traffic 2. carpooling at the same time, so you are utilizing all of the benefits of the HOV.

generally, what benefits does it give you when you are on the HOV holding up others? It's a disadvantage for the other person. Why not just move over and enjoy your drive? Does people enjoy pissing others off?

As I've said, I only use it during rush hour and sometimes when I am in a hurry. As soon as I see the traffic flow going faster than me, I move over, it doesn't cost me anything to do that. Yet, you still see people cruising on the HOV lane with the same speed as the right lane especially when cutting lanes are more restrictive than the regular lanes.

[khtm]

Life would be a lot simpler if people put their egos aside and changed to the right lanes if ANYONE was behind them trying to pass. It doesn't matter if the limit is 100 and you're going 130, if the dude behind you wants to go 180...fking move over and let him by! You're not a cop. It's not your duty to slow down traffic to prevent speeders.

This is how it works in many European countries that have much better traffic safety than Canada.

Also, for those of you that never exceed the speed limit...it's been proven time and time again that the safest way to drive is WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. If the average speed is 20 kph over the limit and you're driving the limit, you are very likely to be the cause of an accident, not everyone else who's speeding.

[TenzoR]

you are correct, it didn't mention speed.. however, i never mention about a specific speed... im just saying faster or slower than other lanes.. may be re-read what i wrote.

generally, if you are slower on the HOV than other lanes, you are congesting traffic which defies the purpose of the HOV of easing traffic.

if you are faster on the HOV lanes than the rest of the lanes, you are 1. easing traffic 2. carpooling at the same time, so you are utilizing all of the benefits of the HOV.

generally, what benefits does it give you when you are on the HOV holding up others? It's a disadvantage for the other person. Why not just move over and enjoy your drive? Does people enjoy pissing others off?

As I've said, I only use it during rush hour and sometimes when I am in a hurry. As soon as I see the traffic flow going faster than me, I move over, it doesn't cost me anything to do that. Yet, you still see people cruising on the HOV lane with the same speed as the right lane especially when cutting lanes are more restrictive than the regular lanes.

Well in Toronto, that seems to be the case nearly most of the time :lol:

They are within their legal rights if they are going at 100km/h on the HOV lane carrying 2+ people. It doesn't matter if they are faster or slower than the other lane.

[rems]

you are correct, it didn't mention speed.. however, i never mention about a specific speed... im just saying faster or slower than other lanes.. may be re-read what i wrote.

generally, if you are slower on the HOV than other lanes, you are congesting traffic which defies the purpose of the HOV of easing traffic.

if you are faster on the HOV lanes than the rest of the lanes, you are 1. easing traffic 2. carpooling at the same time, so you are utilizing all of the benefits of the HOV.

generally, what benefits does it give you when you are on the HOV holding up others? It's a disadvantage for the other person. Why not just move over and enjoy your drive? Does people enjoy pissing others off?

As I've said, I only use it during rush hour and sometimes when I am in a hurry. As soon as I see the traffic flow going faster than me, I move over, it doesn't cost me anything to do that. Yet, you still see people cruising on the HOV lane with the same speed as the right lane especially when cutting lanes are more restrictive than the regular lanes.

so you're saying if you're not going fast you're congesting traffic?!?!
So are you saying for the HOV lanes on the city streets they should be going as fast as they can as well?!? cuz if they don't blaze down the streets they're causing congestion....
If you want to go faster, use the fast lane! Why must people cater to what you want when the others are just following the law?

[ahtwong]

Well in Toronto, that seems to be the case nearly most of the time :lol:

They are within their legal rights if they are going at 100km/h on the HOV lane carrying 2+ people. It doesn't matter if they are faster or slower than the other lane.

Yeah, and when this happens, I'll most certainly tailgate them for a while before I take the next opportunity to cut them off (maybe with a little brake check included). There should be a dedicated stupid driver lane for all the champaign corolla drivers out there. :twisted:

[ahtwong]

so you're saying if you're not going fast you're congesting traffic?!?!
So are you saying for the HOV lanes on the city streets they should be going as fast as they can as well?!? cuz if they don't blaze down the streets they're causing congestion....
If you want to go faster, use the fast lane! Why must people cater to what you want when the others are just following the law?

he's saying that if you're congesting the HOV lane you are congesting traffic.

[TenzoR]

Yeah, and when this happens, I'll most certainly tailgate them for a while before I take the next opportunity to cut them off (maybe with a little brake check included). There should be a dedicated stupid driver lane for all the champaign corolla drivers out there. :twisted:

Yea we definitely need a dedicated stupid driver lane for you.

[ahtwong]

Yea we definitely need a dedicated lane for you.

oops, i guess you drive a champaign corolla or drive like you have one. sorry I offended you.

[Tomy]

Well in Toronto, that seems to be the case nearly most of the time :lol:

They are within their legal rights if they are going at 100km/h on the HOV lane carrying 2+ people. It doesn't matter if they are faster or slower than the other lane.

that's true hahaha.. too bad majority of torontorians arent like us... j/k

i really dont see why this topic comes into place if we all get along ..

[TenzoR]

that's true hahaha.. too bad majority of torontorians arent like us... j/k

i really dont see why this topic comes into place if we all get along ..

If we all get along, there would be world peace :)

[Tomy]

Yeah, and when this happens, I'll most certainly tailgate them for a while before I take the next opportunity to cut them off (maybe with a little brake check included). There should be a dedicated stupid driver lane for all the champaign corolla drivers out there. :twisted:

i LOLed.. it's pretty true tho haha

[Tomy]

so you're saying if you're not going fast you're congesting traffic?!?!
So are you saying for the HOV lanes on the city streets they should be going as fast as they can as well?!? cuz if they don't blaze down the streets they're causing congestion....


if u are going slower than the regular lanes or fast lanes, why can't u simply hop onto those lanes /thread

but yet, u think it is better for urself to clog up the HOV lane, when u couldve done the same speed on a diff lane.

i guess u have no intention of doing what the HOV was built for, ease traffic AND carpooling.

Why must people cater to what you want when the others are just following the law?

in ur case, i think u are catering to what YOU want other to follow.. and it is to follow u slowly on the HOV lane so they have to cut into other lane to get ahead of you. u enjoy doing that i assume

[xstatik]

Four simple words that the rest of the world seems to understand, but once you enter Ontario, it seems to be forgotten.

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT

I honestly don't understand why people have a hard time following this universal rule of the road! If you want to go 100/80/60 whatever, stay in the right lane!

[rems]

if u are going slower than the regular lanes or fast lanes, why can't u simply hop onto those lanes /thread

but yet, u think it is better for urself to clog up the HOV lane, when u couldve done the same speed on a diff lane.

i guess u have no intention of doing what the HOV was built for, ease traffic AND carpooling.



in ur case, i think u are catering to what YOU want other to follow.. and it is to follow u slowly on the HOV lane so they have to cut into other lane to get ahead of you. u enjoy doing that i assume

again when is the HOV lane the Fast lane?? I understand if you were in the fast lane and you were going slow...they should move over. But the HOV lane isn't the fast lane. You want to turn the HOV lane into the fast lane. If you're going the limit on the right lane, would you move over so that the person behind you going faster can get by you?

And it's not what I want. HOV lanes + speed limit = what the law wants. You want to remove speed limit from that equation. And if there's no traffic, why wouldn't you just move to the "Fast" lane?? Why must you insist on using the HOV lane to go fast?

[rems]

Four simple words that the rest of the world seems to understand, but once you enter Ontario, it seems to be forgotten.

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT

I honestly don't understand why people have a hard time following this universal rule of the road! If you want to go 100/80/60 whatever, stay in the right lane!

except they put the HOV lane on the left on the highways...

[TenzoR]

oops, i guess you drive a champaign corolla or drive like you have one. sorry I offended you.

No I just don't drive like an idiot, which you clearly demonstrated is something you do.

[ahtwong]

Four simple words that the rest of the world seems to understand, but once you enter Ontario, it seems to be forgotten.

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT

I honestly don't understand why people have a hard time following this universal rule of the road! If you want to go 100/80/60 whatever, stay in the right lane!

EXACTLY.

[khtm]

except they put the HOV lane on the left on the highways...
Stop getting your panties in a bunch over your interpretation of "laws" and start thinking about how by driving slow (and I simply mean slower than the cars behind you would like to drive) in the HOV lane you are:

1. Inconveniencing others
2. Nullifying one of the purposes of the HOV lane (to reduce congestion)

It has nothing to do with the posted speed limit. If other people behind you would like to pass, MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT. It's not your job to determine the speed of traffic.

[ahtwong]

except they put the HOV lane on the left on the highways...

Because the HOV lane is not meant for slower traffic, they already have the right lane available for that.

[ahtwong]

No I just don't drive like an idiot, which you clearly demonstrated is something you do.

when you go slower than the flow of traffic in the HOV lane and congest it, you are driving like an idiot, and I have clearly demonstrated that I would not do that.

[rems]

Stop getting your panties in a bunch over your interpretation of "laws" and start thinking about how by driving slow (and I simply mean slower than the cars behind you would like to drive) in the HOV lane you are:

1. Inconveniencing others
2. Nullifying one of the purposes of the HOV lane (to reduce congestion)

It has nothing to do with the posted speed limit. If other people behind you would like to pass, MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT. It's not your job to determine the speed of traffic.

But again if you want to go fast, go on the fast lane. How hard is it to do that!? The HOV's have solid lines and can only move in or out at designated areas. It's not like they can just let people pass once they come up behind them. And who's to say they can get back in the HOV lane after...

If there's a conflict between what two parties want, you have to go with what the law wants...

[rems]

Because the HOV lane is not meant for slower traffic, they already have the right lane available for that.

and they have the lane beside the HOV for fast traffic...what's your point?

[khtm]

But again if you want to go fast, go on the fast lane. How hard is it to do that!? The HOV's have solid lines and can only move in or out at designated areas. It's not like they can just let people pass once they come up behind them. And who's to say they can get back in the HOV lane after...

If there's a conflict between what two parties want, you have to go with what the law wants...Must be tough going through life with personal convictions that everyone disagrees with...eh? How's the air up there? :)

[ahtwong]

and they have the lane beside the HOV for fast traffic...what's your point?

Yeah, I can see that you truly cannot see the point...
I guess you haven't been reading this thread, or you can't comprehend what has been said regarding the reason behind having an HOV lane: It is to EASE/RELIEVE traffic congestion. Hence, if you are congesting the HOV lane, you are part of the problem.

[Tomy]

Must be tough going through life with personal convictions that everyone disagrees with...eh? How's the air up there? :)

lol.. this thread is entertaining.. thanks for making my day :)

:cheesygri

[Tomy]

But again if you want to go fast, go on the fast lane. How hard is it to do that!? The HOV's have solid lines and can only move in or out at designated areas. It's not like they can just let people pass once they come up behind them. And who's to say they can get back in the HOV lane after...

If there's a conflict between what two parties want, you have to go with what the law wants...

and they have the lane beside the HOV for fast traffic...what's your point?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh56/NevadaWildcard/Motivational%20Posters/NextGenROFLPoster.jpg
Must be tough going through life with personal convictions that everyone disagrees with...eh? How's the air up there? :)

[rems]

Must be tough going through life with personal convictions that everyone disagrees with...eh? How's the air up there? :)

must be tough to not comprehend what high occupancy means. didn't know that 4-5 people's opinions constituted as everyone

[johnboy]

I will assume that you're talking about the HOV on the 404 north, south of Steeles??

Hubby and I were in the 911 last weekend and he was FUMING :mad: :mad: at all the Hondas going 80-90!!!!

We used the 403 that day, and no one that had no business in the HOV was using it!!!

Hondas? You mean Corollas? LOL!

[rems]

Yeah, I can see that you truly cannot see the point...
I guess you haven't been reading this thread, or you can't comprehend what has been said regarding the reason behind having an HOV lane: It is to EASE/RELIEVE traffic congestion. Hence, if you are congesting the HOV lane, you are part of the problem.

how is driving 10-20% slower causing congestion?!? Especially if you're already going 110-115km/h
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/congestion

It's not like you're stopping in the HOV lane and causing traffic.

[rems]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh56/NevadaWildcard/Motivational%20Posters/NextGenROFLPoster.jpg

haha resorting to name calling now?!?

The lane beside the HOV is the passing lane. Which is why fast drivers go on that. so if you want to go fast, use that lane. how hard is that to understand.

[TenzoR]

when you go slower than the flow of traffic in the HOV lane and congest it, you are driving like an idiot, and I have clearly demonstrated that I would not do that.

Yes you would not do that, but you also clearly stated you will tailgate the person, cut him off, and possibly brake check him. How does that make you less of an idiot? Unless it's sarcasm ...

[ahtwong]

how is driving 10-20% slower causing congestion?!? Especially if you're already going 110-115km/h
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/congestion

It's not like you're stopping in the HOV lane and causing traffic.
LOL, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... going slower than everyone stuck behind you in a lane where cars don't have the freedom to change lanes won't cause congestion in the HOV lane.... riiiiiiiiiight. Why don't you just picture the aerial shot of this situation in your head if you can...
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[rems]

LOL, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... going slower than everyone stuck behind you in a lane where cars don't have the freedom to change lanes won't cause congestion in the HOV lane.... riiiiiiiiiight. Why don't you just picture the aerial shot of this situation in your head if you can...

so go on the fast lane...would you sit on the right most lane if you wanted to go faster than the car in front of you?? Would you expect the car in the right lane to go 130?

[ahtwong]

so go on the fast lane...would you sit on the right most lane if you wanted to go faster than the car in front of you?? Would you expect the car in the right lane to go 130?

please READ before replying.

[rems]

please READ before replying.

I consider congestion to be traffic...not travelling 110-115 km/h. If you think that's congestion then our definitions obviously differ. Cuz then the issue would be going past him which the solution then be to drive in the fast lane.

[ahtwong]

LOL, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... going slower than everyone stuck behind you in a lane where cars don't have the freedom to change lanes won't cause congestion in the HOV lane.... riiiiiiiiiight. Why don't you just picture the aerial shot of this situation in your head if you can...


so go on the fast lane...would you sit on the right most lane if you wanted to go faster than the car in front of you?? Would you expect the car in the right lane to go 130?

sigh... ok, weren't YOU the one talking blahblahblah about laws? Yes, that was you. have you driven on the HOV lane?? or did you just consider that another rightmost lane on the left side of the hwy? did you notice that the HOV lane is separated by hashed lines that you're NOT SUPPOSED to cross? THAT IS WHY you would congest the HOV lane by going slower than all the cars STUCK behind you, THAT IS WHY there are cars STUCK behind you, because they CAN'T GET OUT of the HOV lane.

[johnboy]

Off topic: Anyone noticed a lone white pickup construction truck parked on the right shoulder on the 407 going east bound around MacCowan exit. It had one of those big signs that flashed a yellow arrow and was turned on and no reason either. Since it was sitting on the shoulder, it didn't need to. Traffic on the 407 was clogged for a few minutes and then everyone resumed 120km/h. Dammit... They should know better not to turn on that big sign when there is nothing wrong in the first place.

[Tennoh]

I'm sorry but I don't see the argument to this as valid. HOV was designed to help relieve traffic. Traffic must obey laws. Law is to travel at speed limit, ie. 100kmph. Person travels 110-120kmph. Cars behind can't go faster. To me you should ticket all the people wanting to go faster. The person in front is already going above the law as is. The issue is the legal speed limit. You don't like it? Take it to your municipal/provincial representative to petition change. If cars are stuck behind, then they should lawfully wait for exit points to get into the right "fast" lane to pass and then re-enter at the next entry point.

[ahtwong]

Off topic: Anyone noticed a lone white pickup construction truck parked on the right shoulder on the 407 going east bound around MacCowan exit. It had one of those big signs that flashed a yellow arrow and was turned on and no reason either. Since it was sitting on the shoulder, it didn't need to. Traffic on the 407 was clogged for a few minutes and then everyone resumed 120km/h. Dammit... They should know better not to turn on that big sign when there is nothing wrong in the first place.

probably just a precaution, 'cause ppl get killed stopping on the shoulders as well; wasn't there a lady who got killed like that a few weeks back?

[Tomy]

I'm sorry but I don't see the argument to this as valid. HOV was designed to help relieve traffic. Traffic must obey laws. Law is to travel at speed limit, ie. 100kmph. Person travels 110-120kmph. Cars behind can't go faster. To me you should ticket all the people wanting to go faster. The person in front is already going above the law as is. The issue is the legal speed limit. You don't like it? Take it to your municipal/provincial representative to petition change. If cars are stuck behind, then they should lawfully wait for exit points to get into the right "fast" lane to pass and then re-enter at the next entry point.

good for you! Keep going at 100 km/hr, it'll make you look good! So how fast should the fast lane be doing 100? and how fast should the right lanes be doing 90?

[ahtwong]

I'm sorry but I don't see the argument to this as valid. HOV was designed to help relieve traffic. Traffic must obey laws. Law is to travel at speed limit, ie. 100kmph. Person travels 110-120kmph. Cars behind can't go faster. To me you should ticket all the people wanting to go faster. The person in front is already going above the law as is. The issue is the legal speed limit. You don't like it? Take it to your municipal/provincial representative to petition change. If cars are stuck behind, then they should lawfully wait for exit points to get into the right "fast" lane to pass and then re-enter at the next entry point.

go join the opp and start your fantasy.

[rems]

sigh... ok, weren't YOU the one talking blahblahblah about laws? Yes, that was you. have you driven on the HOV lane?? or did you just consider that another rightmost lane on the left side of the hwy? did you notice that the HOV lane is separated by hashed lines that you're NOT SUPPOSED to cross? THAT IS WHY you would congest the HOV lane by going slower than all the cars STUCK behind you, THAT IS WHY there are cars STUCK behind you, because they CAN'T GET OUT of the HOV lane.

yes but you can't wait 2-3 kms until there's a break in the lines? You need to save 60 seconds RIGHT NOW!?

[ahtwong]

yes but you can't wait 2-3 kms until there's a break in the lines? You need to save 15 seconds RIGHT NOW!?

wow.... 2-3kms in 15 seconds eh? I take back everything against you, 'cause you certainly won't be congesting the HOV lane, lol!

x km/3600 sec = 2 km/15 sec
x = 480 km

x km /3600 sec = 3 km/15 sec
x = 720 km

So I guess you drive anywhere between 480km/h to 720km/h, nice.

[new_vr]

wow.... 2-3kms in 15 seconds eh? I take back everything against you, 'cause you certainly won't be congesting the HOV lane, lol!

x km/3600 sec = 2 km/15 sec
x = 480 km

x km /3600 sec = 3 km/15 sec
x = 720 km

So I guess you drive anywhere between 480km/h to 720km/h, nice.
Actually, there is a difference between travelling 2-3 kms in 15 seconds, and saving 15 seconds in 2-3kms ;)

[rems]

Actually, there is a difference between travelling 2-3 kms in 15 seconds, and saving 15 seconds in 2-3kms ;)

lol it ended up making sense..maybe i shoudl re edit it back to the original number
man trying to make people understand the definition of High Occupancy and congestion is rough on the brain

[manho]

when traffic is not congested, then I agree that people have all the right to do 100km/h on HOV all the want. And people who go above that should use whichever resource they think is best to go faster.

but when traffic is congested, ie. passing lane is no longer really passing anything, then, please, don't hog up the HOV by going anything under 100km/h given a safe condition.

[ahtwong]

Actually, there is a difference between travelling 2-3 kms in 15 seconds, and saving 15 seconds in 2-3kms ;)

yeah, nice try, but that wasn't his point to begin with, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to correct his math.

[rems]

yeah, nice try, but that wasn't his point to begin with, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to correct his math.

well that was my point...hence why i put in saving...you guys are confusing me when Im trying to understand your arguments...cuz unlike some of you, im actually trying to understand what you're saying.

Like when you talked about cars being "congested" behind a car travelling 110kms on the HOV lane and cars behind wanted to go faster. I suggested you use the fast lane if you want to go fast. Otherwise, that's not congestion if you're moving 110 kms. You tell me to read...I do...I also try to understand.

I got your point of it making a queue of some sort...but would you not go around if you didn't want to be in it?? That goes back to my whole point of not making people cater to what you want.

[Tennoh]

good for you! Keep going at 100 km/hr, it'll make you look good! So how fast should the fast lane be doing 100? and how fast should the right lanes be doing 90?

Realistically you have to speed to pass. Does it mean you should drive at a constantly higher speed than limit? No. The left lane is meant for passing, not cruising at high speeds. You should be in the left lane to pass and then signal to get back into the right lane after you pass the slower vehicle. Any lanes to the right of the left passing lane should be travelling at speed limit or in most cases flow of traffic.

And back to HOV, it is not considered the left passing lane. The HOV is its own hence the entry/exit points and the speed limit is still the same.

Again the basic issue goes back to the legal speed limit. Sure its much slower than what the roads can handle. Does that give you the right to speed? Last I checked, driving is privilege given, not a right. Check your local politician to change it.

[ahtwong]

well that was my point...hence why i put in saving...you guys are confusing me when Im trying to understand your arguments...cuz unlike some of you, im actually trying to understand what you're saying.

lol, you deleted your post where you explained why you corrected your numbers? nice.

[NaturalLemonFlavour]

lol, you deleted your post where you explained why you corrected your numbers? nice.

lol such a bully

[rems]

lol, you deleted your post where you explained why you corrected your numbers? nice.

I can put it back if you want...you still dont address any of the issues I put out there. 10 seconds 60 seconds doesn't make a difference. It's an insignificant amount of time when you're driving on the highway.

I told you I'm trying to understand your POV. so after rereading my post, 10-15 seconds to travel 2-3 kms seemed fast...but my original thinking was you're going 110...ppl behind want to do 130. so 10-15 seconds seemed appropriate when I first wrote it. after rereading it it seemed too little

So I admit editting it was a mistake but the point is still valid. 2 points for you :-P

So don't dwell on it anymore and address the issues I've put out there...unless that's all you got:-P

[Tomy]

I can put it back if you want...you still dont address any of the issues I put out there. 10 seconds 60 seconds doesn't make a difference. It's an insignificant amount of time when you're driving on the highway.

I told you I'm trying to understand your POV. so after rereading my post, 10-15 seconds to travel 2-3 kms seemed fast...but my original thinking was you're going 110...ppl behind want to do 130. so 10-15 seconds seemed appropriate when I first wrote it. after rereading it it seemed too little

So I admit editting it was a mistake but the point is still valid. 2 points for you :-P

So don't dwell on it anymore and address the issues I've put out there...unless that's all you got:-P

from reading ur posts.. ur POV is to get everyone off the HOV so you can use it all by urself.

[rems]

from reading ur posts.. ur POV is to get everyone off the HOV so you can use it all by urself.

congrats!! you just won reading comprehension classes!! Cuz that's clearly what I meant when I said people who don't do 130 on the HOV shouldn't have to move.

I'm feeling generous...prizes for everyone!!!

[ahtwong]

I can put it back if you want...you still dont address any of the issues I put out there. 10 seconds 60 seconds doesn't make a difference. It's an insignificant amount of time when you're driving on the highway.

I told you I'm trying to understand your POV. so after rereading my post, 10-15 seconds to travel 2-3 kms seemed fast...but my original thinking was you're going 110...ppl behind want to do 130. so 10-15 seconds seemed appropriate when I first wrote it. after rereading it it seemed too little

So I admit editting it was a mistake but the point is still valid. 2 points for you :-P

So don't dwell on it anymore and address the issues I've put out there...unless that's all you got:-P

I've already made all the points I really need to make, without going in circles. You may think that the x-amount (could be 15 secs, 60 secs, 240 secs, who knows?) of time saved is unimportant, but that's how you value your time. I definitely value the amount of time I'd save, whatever it may be, but more importantly, I'd rather part of the solution for decongesting traffic than unnecessarily being part of the problem.

[Tomy]

I've already made all the points I really need to make, without going in circles. You may think that the x-amount (could be 15 secs, 60 secs, 240 secs, who knows?) of time saved is unimportant, but that's how you value your time. I definitely value the amount of time I'd save, whatever it may be, but more importantly, I'd rather part of the solution for decongesting traffic than unnecessarily being part of the problem.

:cheesygri :cheesygri

[rems]

I've already made all the points I really need to make, without going in circles. You may think that the x-amount (could be 15 secs, 60 secs, 240 secs, who knows?) of time saved is unimportant, but that's how you value your time. I definitely value the amount of time I'd save, whatever it may be, but more importantly, I'd rather part of the solution for decongesting traffic than unnecessarily being part of the problem.

But why should someone cater to your needs? You want to go 130+ and save x amount of time, go in the lane that's designated for it. Cuz it's NOT the HOV lane. (and that's my whole point) If I were doing 110 during rush hour, I would be ecstatic!! I wouldn't consider that congestion. Congestion is when it's stop and go (to me anyways).

You should be able to go 110 on the HOV regardless of whether there's traffic or not. Going 110 doesn't cause congestion...especially not during rush hour.

[Tomy]

congrats!! you just won reading comprehension classes!! Cuz that's clearly what I meant when I said people who don't do 130 on the HOV shouldn't have to move.

I'm feeling generous...prizes for everyone!!!

im glad that you admit that you are one of the selfish drivers in the GTA..congrats!

[rems]

im glad that you admit that you are one of the selfish drivers in the GTA..congrats!

so everyone who drives on the right lane is selfish as well. You must be one of the drivers in the GTA that think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way.

Were you the guy that swore at me driving the other day. The lane you were on was ending. The car behind me slowed down so you can get in. I sped up so you had more room to merge...instead you decided you wanted to go in front of me and save that 1 car length. Then flip me off 9while driving on the shoulder) cuz I didn't slow down to let you in front of me when you were behind me and had lots of room to merge there.

[Tomy]

But why should someone cater to your needs? You want to go 130+ and save x amount of time, go in the lane that's designated for it. Cuz it's NOT the HOV lane. If I were doing 110 during rush hour, I would be ecstatic!! I wouldn't consider that congestion. Congestion is when it's stop and go (to me anyways).

You should be able to go 110 on the HOV regardless of whether there's traffic or not. Going 110 doesn't cause congestion...especially not during rush hour.

we never said we want to go 130, we just want what others have been saying..slower traffic stays right. if u are slower than traffic flow (esp the right lane), what harm does it do if u stay on the right lane since you are going slow anyway.

REMEMBER, my earlier point was.. go 100 km/hr or 90 or 80 all you want on the HOV, as long as you are faster than the people on the left middle right lane, it's cool. and you are doing what the HOV's purpose.

HOWEVER, from your posts, you simply want to go whatever speed you want and even when the right lanes are faster than you.

and hence this thread. There are too many people who are going slower than the right lane.. yes the right lane. Yet they feel obligated to stay onto the HOV since they meet the basic requirements. And when their exits come along, they simply brake to 80-100, merge to the fast lane and slows everyone down... and goes to the exit. Now begs the question, if you were slower than the fast lane, how da hell did u merge there safely to get to the HOV.

[ahtwong]

But why should someone cater to your needs? You want to go 130+ and save x amount of time, go in the lane that's designated for it. Cuz it's NOT the HOV lane. If I were doing 110 during rush hour, I would be ecstatic!! I wouldn't consider that congestion. Congestion is when it's stop and go (to me anyways).

You should be able to go 110 on the HOV regardless of whether there's traffic or not. Going 110 doesn't cause congestion...especially not during rush hour.

We've been talking about going with the flow of traffic. I haven't been putting numbers like 130, 110, etc, because it is all situational. Heck, I don't even drive 130 myself. If the flow of traffic is 120 and you are going 100, will you cause congestion??? YES! Just think about the aerial picture I drew for you, 'cause that is what you'd be causing; that bumper to bumper lineup is called congestion. If you're going 110 and the flow is going at 110, no one will be complaining. That's what the ppl you've been arguing with have been saying all along. We aren't saying that we want to make the HOV lane a 130+ lane. /thread

[Tomy]

from reading ur posts.. ur POV is to get everyone off the HOV so you can use it all by urself.

congrats!! you just won reading comprehension classes!! Cuz that's clearly what I meant when I said people who don't do 130 on the HOV shouldn't have to move.

I'm feeling generous...prizes for everyone!!!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

so everyone who drives on the right lane is selfish as well. You must be one of the drivers in the GTA that think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way.

:confused:


Were you the guy that swore at me driving the other day. The lane you were on was ending. The car behind me slowed down so you can get in. I sped up so you had more room to merge...instead you decided you wanted to go in front of me and save that 1 car length. Then flip me off 9while driving on the shoulder) cuz I didn't slow down to let you in front of me when you were behind me and had lots of room to merge there.

nope not me. Sorry I don't flip people off nor I merge in dangerously... read my posts, I never condone anyone including myself to do any dangerous behaviour.

[rems]

We've been talking about going with the flow of traffic. I haven't been putting numbers like 130, 110, etc, because it is all situational. Heck, I don't even drive 130 myself. If the flow of traffic is 120 and you are going 100, will you cause congestion??? YES! Just think about the aerial picture I drew for you, 'cause that is what you'd be causing; that bumper to bumper lineup is called congestion. If you're going 110 and the flow is going at 110, no one will be complaining. That's what the ppl you've been arguing with have been saying all along. We aren't saying that we want to make the HOV lane a 130+ lane. /thread

and I'm not saying make the HOV lane a 100km/h lane. But it shouldn't be treated like the fast lane. It's not a passing lane. If you were on the passing lane, then move over if there are faster vehicles.

[ahtwong]

so everyone who drives on the right lane is selfish as well. You must be one of the drivers in the GTA that think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way.


on the contrary, the ones who drive slowly in the right lane are the ones who actually understand what's going on and comprehend those signs that say "Slow traffic stay right".

[rems]

:confused: :confused: :confused:



:confused:



nope not me. Sorry I don't flip people off nor I merge in dangerously... read my posts, I never condone anyone including myself to do any dangerous behaviour.

you're saying (see where I try to understand what you write) that because I don't move out of the way in the HOV, I must be selfish. By that logic, people on the right lane are selfish as well since they're not moving over either for faster traffic. Neither the right lane nor the HOV are passing lanes. So why should they move?

You should read my posts...where did I say that people should get out of the HOV so that I will be the only one to use it?

[rems]

on the contrary, the ones who drive slowly in the right lane are the ones who actually understand what's going on and comprehend those signs that say "Slow traffic stay right".

i was using the same logic he was...

[Tomy]

you're saying (see where I try to understand what you write) that because I don't move out of the way in the HOV, I must be selfish. By that logic, people on the right lane are selfish as well since they're not moving over either for faster traffic. Neither the right lane nor the HOV are passing lanes. So why should they move?

You should read my posts...where did I say that people should get out of the HOV so that I will be the only one to use it?

lol....

this is for you :)

http://scalzi.com/perspectivecatbig.jpg

[rems]

lol....

this is for you :)

http://scalzi.com/perspectivecatbig.jpg

haha all these posters...i can easily direct them at you.

seriously...you want some reading comprehension classes??

[Tomy]

i was using the same logic he was...

sorry that's not the same logic that i used :(

[ahtwong]

and I'm not saying make the HOV lane a 100km/h lane. But it shouldn't be treated like the fast lane. It's not a passing lane. If you were on the passing lane, then move over if there are faster vehicles.

it should be treated as a lane that is meant to improve the flow of traffic, not create more congestion. be mindful of the flow of traffic and do not defeat the purpose of having the HOV lane, that's all we want.

[iluvmikeharris]

They need physical barriers like the ones between the express and collector lanes, then perhaps people would realize that the HOV lanes are not a passing lane.

[rems]

it should be treated as a lane that is meant to improve the flow of traffic, not create more congestion. be mindful of the flow of traffic and do not defeat the purpose of having the HOV lane, that's all we want.

If the other lanes are going faster, why don't you just move to that lane. Again, the HOV is not the fast lane. So if there are faster lanes, go on those ones. Go as fast as you want in the passing lanes. You still can improve congestion even if you're going slower than what the guy behind you wants to go. If traffic is going faster in other lanes, why would you sit behind the guy who's driving slower than you want to?

[ahtwong]

you're saying (see where I try to understand what you write) that because I don't move out of the way in the HOV, I must be selfish. By that logic, people on the right lane are selfish as well since they're not moving over either for faster traffic. Neither the right lane nor the HOV are passing lanes. So why should they move?

You should read my posts...where did I say that people should get out of the HOV so that I will be the only one to use it?

i believe he is saying "get with the flow; don't hold up everyone who's trying to go with the flow and make use of the advantages of being able to drive in the HOV lane".

[rems]

sorry that's not the same logic that i used :(

explain to me how i'm selfish then if Im going 110 on the HOV and I dont want to move cuz u want to go faster

[TenzoR]

They need physical barriers like the ones between the express and collector lanes, then perhaps people would realize that the HOV lanes are not a passing lane.

I think the only reason they don't is if an emergency did happen, there would be no room for the emergency vehicle to go through and it would be a nightmare to re-route the cars from behind

[Tomy]

They need physical barriers like the ones between the express and collector lanes, then perhaps people would realize that the HOV lanes are not a passing lane.

yea!.. but at the same time, HOV shouldn't be a lane where you go slower than traffic flow

[Tomy]

explain to me how i'm selfish then if Im going 110 on the HOV and I dont want to move cuz u want to go faster

thanks you just explained it yourself.

[Tomy]

I think the only reason they don't is if an emergency did happen, there would be no room for the emergency vehicle to go through and it would be a nightmare to re-route the cars from behind

they still got the shoulder tho :twisted:

[rems]

thanks you just explained it yourself.

ummm it's not the passing lane. If i was in the passing lane and that was the case then I'd totally agree with you. But it's the HOV lane. See how that relates back to the right lane drivers being selfish cuz they don't move for vehicles who want to go faster??? But that's not the case for right lane drivers, is it? and neither is it for the HOV lane.

I can give you reading comprehension classes if you want.

[mohitk]

explain to me how i'm selfish then if Im going 110 on the HOV and I dont want to move cuz u want to go faster

+1 - tailgating when I am doing 10-20 KMPH above limit in the HOV lane is whats gets to me!
If you want to drive faster, get in the traffic!

[TenzoR]

ummm it's not the passing lane. If i was in the passing lane and that was the case then I'd totally agree with you. But it's the HOV lane. See how that relates back to the right lane drivers being selfish cuz they don't move for vehicles who want to go faster??? But that's not the case for right lane drivers, is it? and neither is it for the HOV lane.

I can give you reading comprehension classes if you want.

I think you mean left :|

[rems]

I think you mean left :|

no i meant right...cuz the right is supposed to be for slow traffic. If you want to go around the slow traffic you go on the passing lane. I said that since he thinks im selfish for not moving in the HOV lane, then drivers on the right would be considered the same cuz they don't move for the faster drivers.

[ahtwong]

If the other lanes are going faster, why don't you just move to that lane. Again, the HOV is not the fast lane. So if there are faster lanes, go on those ones. Go as fast as you want in the passing lanes. You still can improve congestion even if you're going slower than what the guy behind you wants to go. If traffic is going faster in other lanes, why would you sit behind the guy who's driving slower than you want to?

unbelievable...
if traffic was not congested in the other lanes, I would not be dumb enough to restrict myself to a lane that I can only leave every 2-3km; in fact, there would be no need to have the HOV lane in the first place... CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! Obviously we are talking about when there is congestion in the other lanes! They built the HOV lane so that they could give an incentive for ppl willing to carpool, and that incentive is that they would less likely be stuck in a congested lane. It was supposed to be a solution to the congestion problem, it was supposed to be a lane that flows. Holy smokes, this is like a broken record.

[Tomy]

ummm it's not the passing lane. If i was in the passing lane and that was the case then I'd totally agree with you. But it's the HOV lane. See how that relates back to the right lane drivers being selfish cuz they don't move for vehicles who want to go faster??? But that's not the case for right lane drivers, is it? and neither is it for the HOV lane.

I can give you reading comprehension classes if you want.

sigh.. this the best you can do. i think u need the comprehension class more than i do.. or just learn basic common sense. how hard is it to move over.. you're hogging up the lane, creating congestion, as per your post, you don't want to move because the cars behind you want to go faster, basically, you are just selfish for this.. someone else disagree with me, but I find that you are apathetic to what surrounds you.

The HOV lane isn't the passing lane, however, it doesn't mean you can simply go whatever speed you determined to be and let everyone congest behind you.

What I am suggesting to you is, move over to a slower lane where the pace is the same as YOURS.

courtesy.

[ahtwong]

sigh.. this the best you can do. i think u need the comprehension class more than i do.. or just learn basic common sense. how hard is it to move over.. you're hogging up the lane, creating congestion, as per your post, you don't want to move because the cars behind you want to go faster, basically, you are just selfish for this.. someone else disagree with me, but I find that you are apathetic to what surrounds you.

The HOV lane isn't the passing lane, however, it doesn't mean you can simply go whatever speed you determined to be and let everyone congest behind you.

What I am suggesting to you is, move over to a slower lane where the pace is the same as YOURS.

courtesy.

Exactly.

If you're telling me to go in the fast lane if i want to go faster than you in the HOV, then I might as well tell you to go to the right lane where people are going at your speed anyway. So tell me why you wouldn't do that?? The people in that lane wouldn't be in your way either would they? No one is in your way and you're not in anyone else's way. That would work, wouldn't it?

[xstatik]

explain to me how i'm selfish then if Im going 110 on the HOV and I dont want to move cuz u want to go faster

Going 110 on any 400 series highway on any lane other than the right lane is holding up traffic and being selfish.

You just proved your point on being selfish!

[rems]

sigh.. this the best you can do. i think u need the comprehension class more than i do.. or just learn basic common sense. how hard is it to move over.. you're hogging up the lane, creating congestion, as per your post, you don't want to move because the cars behind you want to go faster, basically, you are just selfish for this.. someone else disagree with me, but I find that you are apathetic to what surrounds you.

The HOV lane isn't the passing lane, however, it doesn't mean you can simply go whatever speed you determined to be and let everyone congest behind you.

What I am suggesting to you is, move over to a slower lane where the pace is the same as YOURS.

courtesy.

sigh...there are passing lanes for when you want to go faster than the car in front of you. If you're in the passing lane, then yes move over. By wanting someone that is NOT in the passing lane to move over, then you're the one being selfish especially if they're going 110 already.

And if there's bumper to bumper traffic, it might not be the best idea to go over 110 if you're the only lane moving. And why can't drivers who want to go 110 use it during traffic jams. Why are you forcing them to either sit in traffic or go a faster speed than what they're comfortable with

[rems]

Exactly.

If you're telling me to go in the fast lane if i want to go faster than you in the HOV, then I might as well tell you to go to the right lane where people are going at your speed anyway. So tell me why you wouldn't do that?? The people in that lane wouldn't be in your way either would they? No one is in your way and you're not in anyone else's way. That would work, wouldn't it?

exactly...so don't tell me to go on the right lane then...If you're telling me to go tot he right lane, then I can tell you to go on the passing lane. And again, if there's a conflict between what two parties want, the law wins out (in this case, I can stay in the HOV) And it's not a passing lane...so don't expect me to move if I'm already going 110

You want to pass in a lane that's not a passing lane. So go move to a passing lane. Would you expect someone on the right to move for you?

[ahtwong]

sigh...there are passing lanes for when you want to go faster than the car in front of you. If you're in the passing lane, then yes move over. By wanting someone that is NOT in the passing lane to move over, then you're the one being selfish especially if they're going 110 already.

And if there's bumper to bumper traffic, it might not be the best idea to go over 110 if you're the only lane moving. And why can't drivers who want to go 110 use it during traffic jams. Why are you forcing them to either sit in traffic or go a faster speed than what they're comfortable with

If you're gonna wet your panties driving over 110 on the 400 series hwys you've got yourself a big problem.

[rems]

If you're gonna wet your panties driving over 110 on the 400 series hwys you've got yourself a big problem.

great argument!! :lol:

it's not for me. There are many drivers out there that are only comfortable going 110. I just don't want you guys to be an ass to them just cuz they won't move out of your way in the HOV

[ahtwong]

exactly...so don't tell me to go on the right lane then...If you're telling me to go tot he right lane, then I can tell you to go on the passing lane. And again, if there's a conflict between what two parties want, the law wins out (in this case, I can stay in the HOV) And it's not a passing lane...so don't expect me to move if I'm already going 110

You want to pass in a lane that's not a passing lane. So go move to a passing lane. Would you expect someone on the right to move for you?

You are ridiculous! I've been saying all along that you should be GOING WITH THE FLOW. Only AFTER you told me to go to the left lane did I tell you to go to the right lane to prove a point. Please, like I've told you before already, READ before you reply.

[Tomy]

You are ridiculous! I've been saying all along that you should be GOING WITH THE FLOW. Only AFTER you told me to go to the left lane did I tell you to go to the right lane to prove a point. Please, like I've told you before already, READ before you reply.

this picture fits the moment!

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff334/baptizedintheflamesofhell/common-sense-fit.jpg

[ahtwong]

this picture fits the moment!


lol totally agree.

[rems]

You are ridiculous! I've been saying all along that you should be GOING WITH THE FLOW. Only AFTER you told me to go to the left lane did I tell you to go to the right lane to prove a point. Please, like I've told you before already, READ before you reply.

I meant the very right lane when i said that. Can you please try to understand what I'm saying? Take some effort to actually read into what I'm writing

but you've been saying that the HOV users should move out of the way if they're not going with the flow of the lane to its immediate right (which is the passing lane). And you should move to the passing lane (the one before the HOV lane) if you want to pass. Is that concept so hard to understand? Pass a car in the passing lane!!
How is that not common sense?!? I guess you two don't possess that super power

Would you expect the very right lane to move over for someone behind them if they're not going with the flow? (Answer me that)

[rems]

this picture fits the moment!



you should be on a debate team!!

[ahtwong]

I meant the very right lane when i said that. Can you please try to understand what I'm saying? Take some effort to actually read into what I'm writing

but you've been saying that the HOV users should move out of the way if they're not going with the flow of the lane to its immediate right (which is the passing lane). And you should move to the passing lane (the one before the HOV lane) if you want to pass. Is that concept so hard to understand? Pass a car in the passing lane!!

Would you expect the very right lane to move over for someone behind them if they're not going with the flow? (Answer me that)

Back to square one. We've established that we are talking about normal people who use the HOV lane when necessary, which is when traffic is congested. You keep saying if you wanna pass then pass in the left lane. In the situation that I would use the HOV lane, the other lanes ARE CONGESTED, INCLUDING THE LEFT LANE. If, in congested traffic, you are driving slower in the HOV lane than the other lanes, you are a selfish moron. No one would be complaining if they are in the HOV lane and are able to do what they went into the HOV lane for, which is being able to move past the congestion in the other lanes. Is that concept so hard to understand?

[rems]

Back to square one. We've established that we are talking about normal people who use the HOV lane when necessary, which is when traffic is congested. You keep saying if you wanna pass then pass in the left lane. In the situation that I would use the HOV lane, the other lanes ARE CONGESTED, INCLUDING THE LEFT LANE. If, in congested traffic, you are driving slower in the HOV lane than the other lanes, you are a selfish moron. No one would be complaining if they are in the HOV lane and are able to do what they went into the HOV lane for, which is being able to move past the congestion in the other lanes. Is that concept so hard to understand?

so if the other lanes are congested, how do you suggest the slower vehicle move over? Why should they be stuck in the congestion just cuz you want to go faster? If the rest of the lanes are that heavily congested, I wouldn't consider going 110 to be adding to it

[ahtwong]

so if the other lanes are congested, how do you suggest the slower vehicle move over? Why should they be stuck in the congestion just cuz you want to go faster? If the rest of the lanes are that heavily congested, I wouldn't consider going 110 to be adding to it

Oh my goodness, you are impossible. I said go with the flow, not move over. And again, I wasn't putting numbers like 110, etc, I said going slower than the flow is adding to the congestion. There is no point talking to you anymore. You're like a dog returning to his vomit. Good luck in life, you're going to need it, especially when driving on the hwys in North America.

[xstatik]

Oh my goodness, you are impossible. I said go with the flow, not move over. And again, I wasn't putting numbers like 110, etc, I said going slower than the flow is adding to the congestion. There is no point talking to you anymore. You're like a dog returning to his vomit. Good luck in life, you're going to need it, especially when driving on the hwys in North America.


+1 Well said

[khtm]

Rems, 2 questions:

(1) Are you a woman?

(2) Do you drive an A/T RX-8?

[Ducky]

here's a scenario....

3 lane highway (including HOV)...not rush hour

hov lane...driver going 110

passing lane...drivers going 130

right lane...drivers going 100


should the driver in the hov lane stay there? is anything wrong with that? if not, where should he/she go?

[rems]

Oh my goodness, you are impossible. I said go with the flow, not move over. And again, I wasn't putting numbers like 110, etc, I said going slower than the flow is adding to the congestion. There is no point talking to you anymore. You're like a dog returning to his vomit. Good luck in life, you're going to need it, especially when driving on the hwys in North America.

wow you keep telling me to read. Why don't you try to understand? Here let me explain to you since you refuse to (though will probably fall on deaf ears, so to speak).

I keep putting up numbers like 110 cuz I'm assuming that you're going at least the limit. Why do you think I keep saying 110 and not just "slow"? And I understood your post about the "congestion" it would create if one car was going slower than what the traffic behind it wants to go. Did I not agree that this would create a queue?

So when you said congestion, this is what I was picturing. Then you said "go with the flow" in congestion traffic. I thought you were saying that going with the flow of what the traffic behind you wants. cuz if it's bumper to bumper congestion on the other lanes, then why wouldn't the HOV driver be going faster than 5km/h? You're telling me that someone would be going slower than that?!?! Cuz when you say congestion, I see either the queue it forms for going slower than the drivers behind in regular free flowing traffic, or bumper to bumper traffic. That's really the two kinds of traffic that goes on in the 400 series highways in North America.

So when you ask others to read, ask that of yourself as well.

[iluvmikeharris]

Bottom line, HOV should be thought of as a seperate roadway. I wouldn't "intentionally" drive slow in the HOV lane, but if I'm coasting at around 115 KM/h and someone decides to tailgate me, I don't let it bother me. I simply gear down gradually until they get the message.

[Tomy]

here's a scenario....

3 lane highway (including HOV)...not rush hour

hov lane...driver going 110

passing lane...drivers going 130

right lane...drivers going 100


should the driver in the hov lane stay there? is anything wrong with that? if not, where should he/she go?

that's why you should try going with traffic flow.. in this case, you can choose to do 130 or do 100, but keep in mind, the flow changes constantly due to traffic or due to idiots :)

[Tomy]

+1 Well said

+2

[Tomy]

Bottom line, HOV should be thought of as a seperate roadway. I wouldn't "intentionally" drive slow in the HOV lane, but if I'm coasting at around 115 KM/h and someone decides to tailgate me, I don't let it bother me. I simply gear down gradually until they get the message.

why would u wanna gear down..what if they dont get the message? or as someone already did, bump into your bumper. this can cause a serious accident.. not only to yourself, but to innocent bystanders.

i understand we shouldn't tailgate, at the same time, we should avoid as many accidents as we can... usually my perspective will be: I dont know the idiot behind me, why should i risk my life for something that won't even matter at the end of the day. I just want to be able to get home EVERYDAY hug my wifey and call it a day.

You're gonna say, why should I give way to an idiot who tailgates... think of them as criminals, are you gonna gear down when you see them? just because you want to play cop, it'll cost you your life and others.

[khtm]

Rems, 2 questions:

(1) Are you a woman?

(2) Do you drive an A/T RX-8?.

[help_questions]

...f'king speed up will you ?? ...:mad:


not that I expect you to be speeding but don't go like 70km/h in rush hours on the HOV lane, if you are not in a hurry , stay home until after 9 and take all the time you want ...what are these losers thinking... ??

i hate when this happens to me. essentially, you tail them till they more, or go around. what else can you do?

But to be honest, I was going 100km/h during rush hour in the HOV lane (I usually speed EVERYWHERE, but I was sending a couple of important emails), and could tell I was holding traffic up, as the car behind me was kinda close, and I could see what that cars were behind him, probably wanting to go faster.

But don't make it about HOV lanes...there are slow drivers everything that will make you mad. There was a guy doing like 80km/h on the 407....I was so mad....but what can you do except go around.

[rems]

.

wtf does that have to do with anything?

Are you trying to hit on me or something???

[rems]

i hate when this happens to me. essentially, you tail them till they more, or go around. what else can you do?

But to be honest, I was going 100km/h during rush hour in the HOV lane (I usually speed EVERYWHERE, but I was sending a couple of important emails), and could tell I was holding traffic up, as the car behind me was kinda close, and I could see what that cars were behind him, probably wanting to go faster.

But don't make it about HOV lanes...there are slow drivers everything that will make you mad. There was a guy doing like 80km/h on the 407....I was so mad....but what can you do except go around.

you might not want to send out emails while your driving...

[help_questions]

you might not want to send out emails while your driving...

i know....it is a bad habit. But they were very important emails.

[khtm]

Rems, 2 questions:

(1) Are you a woman?

(2) Do you drive an A/T RX-8?.

wtf does that have to do with anything?

Are you trying to hit on me or something???
I'm just curious. Why are you afraid to answer the questions?

I'm guessing YES and YES which would explain a hell of a lot about your "opinions" on traffic flow and respect for other drivers. :cheesygri

[help_questions]

why would u wanna gear down..what if they dont get the message? or as someone already did, bump into your bumper. this can cause a serious accident.. not only to yourself, but to innocent bystanders.

i understand we shouldn't tailgate, at the same time, we should avoid as many accidents as we can... usually my perspective will be: I dont know the idiot behind me, why should i risk my life for something that won't even matter at the end of the day. I just want to be able to get home EVERYDAY hug my wifey and call it a day.

You're gonna say, why should I give way to an idiot who tailgates... think of them as criminals, are you gonna gear down when you see them? just because you want to play cop, it'll cost you your life and others.

then you call insurance. People do have a right to slow down on the highway, especially if there are uncomfortable (as most are when they are being tailgated).

[rems]

I'm curious. I'm guessing YES and YES which would explain a hell of a lot about your "opinions" on how life works. :cheesygri

sorry...no to both
hope you didn't piss off any female AT RX8 drivers though :lol:

[new_vr]

Bottom line, HOV should be thought of as a seperate roadway. I wouldn't "intentionally" drive slow in the HOV lane, but if I'm coasting at around 115 KM/h and someone decides to tailgate me, I don't let it bother me. I simply gear down gradually until they get the message.

Agreed!
And another reason I miss the diesel...
Gear down, and then poof a black cloud...nobody stays close for long!

[khtm]

sorry...no to both
hope you didn't piss off any female AT RX8 drivers though :lol:
Probably not too many on here (other than you) :D

[rems]

Probably not too many on here (other than you) :D

though in "congested" traffic, I wish I had one.

[Bazooka Joe]

i hate when this happens to me. essentially, you tail them till they more, or go around. what else can you do?

But to be honest, I was going 100km/h during rush hour in the HOV lane (I usually speed EVERYWHERE, but I was sending a couple of important emails), and could tell I was holding traffic up, as the car behind me was kinda close, and I could see what that cars were behind him, probably wanting to go faster.

But don't make it about HOV lanes...there are slow drivers everything that will make you mad. There was a guy doing like 80km/h on the 407....I was so mad....but what can you do except go around.

The last company I worked for had to send out a memo saying that under no circumstances are emails to be read or answered while driving.

Until this day, I'd always wondered who actually was ******** enough to do this.

[ruckus245]

then you call insurance. People do have a right to slow down on the highway, especially if there are uncomfortable (as most are when they are being tailgated).

kinda hard to call insurance if you're dead ...

[help_questions]

The last company I worked for had to send out a memo saying that under no circumstances are emails to be read or answered while driving.

Until this day, I'd always wondered who actually was ******** enough to do this.

It was an email of a personal nature, but still very important. While I acknowledge that it is dangerous to do this, suggesting that I am ******** is not the way to get your point across. You've never done anything you shouldn't have done? Never taken a risk/chance? Are you ********? Are you sure? Really....

kinda hard to call insurance if you're dead ...


very true. make sure you tell this to the idiot tailgating in the first place.

[iluvmikeharris]

kinda hard to call insurance if you're dead ...

I'm not talking about slamming on the brakes to intentionally cause an accident. If I'm already in the HOV lane, assmuming it's a solid line, I can't move over at that point. I don't feel comfortable when someone decides to play chicken with my bumper, so I'm going to slow down, not come to a screetching halt to try to get rear ended.

[help_questions]

I'm not talking about slamming on the brakes to intentionally cause an accident. If I'm already in the HOV lane, assmuming it's a solid line, I can't move over at that point. I don't feel comfortable when someone decides to play chicken with my bumper, so I'm going to slow down, not come to a screetching halt to try to get rear ended.

.....and I am not going to speed up cause some clown is riding my bumper

[freddy65]

.....and I am not going to speed up cause some clown is riding my bumper

you better do, otherwise you will cause an accident.

[iluvmikeharris]

you better do, otherwise you will cause an accident.


http://www.vaq34.com/vaq34/wtf-cat.jpg

[help_questions]

you better do, otherwise you will cause an accident.

this is what I mean. How does someone driving the speed limit NOT speeding up in the HOV lane cause an accident. If anything, it is the aggressive drivers doing the tailgating that cause accidents. Also, note that we are talking the HOV lane here. If it was regular traffic/highway, then the slow drivers should keep the left lane clear for people who want to speed and pass. But because the HOV lane is only one lane, it is first come, first serve.

Think about it.....

[freddy65]

People who insist driving the speed limit, even when everyone else is driving a bit faster, are usually bad drivers. Thus are prone to cause an accident.

[new_vr]

People who insist driving the speed limit, even when everyone else is driving a bit faster, are usually bad drivers. Thus are prone to cause an accident.

Any statistical data to back that up? Why am I guessing no....

[help_questions]

People who insist driving the speed limit, even when everyone else is driving a bit faster, are usually bad drivers. Thus are prone to cause an accident.

how so? what are they doing wrong?

[freddy65]

how so? what are they doing wrong?

Congestion.

[help_questions]

Congestion.

oh....but lets say I dont speed...Lets say I am not the most confident driver, and am only comfortable driving between 100-115.

Picture rush hour, where the highways is jammed, bumper to bumper traffic.
If I've got more than one person in the car, I'll be in the HOV lane.

While you say I cause congestion, the HOV lane allows me to pass the bumper traffic, beating the congestion. Yes, my speed may hold up the people behind me, but I shouldn't feel pressure to drive at speeds that I am not comfortable with. THAT is how I will cause an accident, and therefore is why I will not speed up.

Again, I am a speeder, often a stupid speeder, but I am just thinking about this point from a right/wrong perspective.

[spf1971]

People who insist driving the speed limit, even when everyone else is driving a bit faster, are usually bad drivers. Thus are prone to cause an accident.

WOW I never thought I'd hear something so stupid. By refusing to speed and break the law, we're bad drivers. Why don't you slow down, follow the speed limits and then we're all going at the same speed?

[KorruptioN]

you better do, otherwise you will cause an accident.

People who insist driving the speed limit, even when everyone else is driving a bit faster, are usually bad drivers. Thus are prone to cause an accident.

Congestion.

Clearly trying to steal the show from a select few in this thread. What kind of logic is this?

People who drive faster than the flow of traffic, and then have to brake behind somebody else going slower, start the chain reaction of congestion.

[iluvmikeharris]

People who insist driving the speed limit, even when everyone else is driving a bit faster, are usually bad drivers. Thus are prone to cause an accident.

http://kopper65.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/super-******.jpg

[potato]

People have gotten tickets for driving the speed limit, when everyone else is faster. It is called obstructing traffic, for all you law abiders out there the law tells you to drive at the same speed as those around you. Whether it is right or not, not for me to say.

Not exactly related to HOV but in basic driver's ed the left lane is for passing.
If you are not immediatly passing someone GET OUT OF THE LEFT LANE.
It is not for you to decide who is driving too fast. Follow the rules of the road and don't just sit in the left lane.

[spf1971]

People have gotten tickets for driving the speed limit, when everyone else is faster. It is called obstructing traffic, for all you law abiders out there the law tells you to drive at the same speed as those around you. Whether it is right or not, not for me to say.

Not exactly related to HOV but in basic driver's ed the left lane is for passing.
If you are not immediatly passing someone GET OUT OF THE LEFT LANE.
It is not for you to decide who is driving too fast. Follow the rules of the road and don't just sit in the left lane.

No they haven't. LOL Unless you have some sort of proof to back up this claim.

[ab20]

ROFL, many of you guys assume the left lane is the fast lane and the right lane is the slow lane, if this is the case there would be different speed limits for different lanes.
O yea about the driving at the speed with traffic, total bs, if drivers want to pass you, they will drive at whatever speed it takes.

[freddy65]

http://kopper65.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/super-******.jpg

ROFL! :D :D :D

[freddy65]

People have gotten tickets for driving the speed limit, when everyone else is faster. It is called obstructing traffic, for all you law abiders out there the law tells you to drive at the same speed as those around you. Whether it is right or not, not for me to say.

Not exactly related to HOV but in basic driver's ed the left lane is for passing.
If you are not immediatly passing someone GET OUT OF THE LEFT LANE.
It is not for you to decide who is driving too fast. Follow the rules of the road and don't just sit in the left lane.

+1

Thanks.

[iluvmikeharris]

People have gotten tickets for driving the speed limit, when everyone else is faster. It is called obstructing traffic, for all you law abiders out there the law tells you to drive at the same speed as those around you. Whether it is right or not, not for me to say.

Not exactly related to HOV but in basic driver's ed the left lane is for passing.
If you are not immediatly passing someone GET OUT OF THE LEFT LANE.
It is not for you to decide who is driving too fast. Follow the rules of the road and don't just sit in the left lane.


Complete BS. The only way you could get such a ticket would be for sitting in the passing lane, it would never be for "only driving at the speed limit". And in case it hasn't been made clear by earlier posts, the HOV lane is not the passing lane.

Booya.

[freddy65]

Complete BS. The only way you could get such a ticket would be for sitting in the passing lane, it would never be for "only driving at the speed limit". And in case it hasn't been made clear by earlier posts, the HOV lane is not the passing lane.

Booya.

Complete BS. You _can_ get a ticket for obstructing traffic.

[spf1971]

Complete BS. You _can_ get a ticket for obstructing traffic.

But not for driving the speed limit

[freddy65]

But not for driving the speed limit

Even if you're going 100km/h on the left passing lane?

[spf1971]

Even if you're going 100km/h on the left passing lane?

Even if you're doing 100km/h in the left lane. The only exception would be if you failed to yield to an emergency vehicle. Otherwise the police would be legitimizing speeding. How can you be obstructing traffic if you are traveling at the maximum legal speed?

[freddy65]

Even if you're doing 100km/h in the left lane. The only exception would be if you failed to yield to an emergency vehicle. Otherwise the police would be legitimizing speeding. How can you be obstructing traffic if you are traveling at the maximum legal speed?

So if I'm having a bad day and decide to hold everyone on the left lane doing 100km/h, and a cop sees it, no ticket at all?

[iluvmikeharris]

Even if you're going 100km/h on the left passing lane?

But not for driving the speed limit

Complete BS. You _can_ get a ticket for obstructing traffic.

Complete BS. The only way you could get such a ticket would be for sitting in the passing lane, it would never be for "only driving at the speed limit". And in case it hasn't been made clear by earlier posts, the HOV lane is not the passing lane.

Booya.

Try reading the whole post.

[spf1971]

So if I'm having a bad day and decide to hold everyone on the left lane doing 100km/h, and a cop sees it, no ticket at all?

What ticket could you possibly be given? Failing to speed, Failing to allow others to speed.

[freddy65]

Try reading the whole post.

http://kopper65.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/super-******.jpg

[freddy65]

What ticket could you possibly be given? Failing to speed, Failing to allow others to speed.

Ticket for obstructing traffic.

[spf1971]

Ticket for obstructing traffic.

If you are legally allowed to do 100km/h and I am doing 100km/h how am I obstructing traffic? You are not supposed to be going faster than 100km/h so if anyone is going to get a ticket, it will be the person speeding not the person following the speed limit. I know a lot of highways have signs that say "be courteous, stay in the right lane unless passing" but it's not illegal to travel at the speed limit in the left lane.

[KorruptioN]

Ticket for obstructing traffic.

Obstructing who? People doing over 100km/h? Where's the logic?

[freddy65]

Obstructing who? People doing over 100km/h? Where's the logic?

Exactly, obstructing others who want to drive a little bit faster. Even if it's 110km/h. Cops don't give tickets if you drive 130km/h.

[spf1971]

Exactly, obstructing others who want to drive a little bit faster. Even if it's 110km/h. Cops don't give tickets if you drive 130km/h.

But 110km/h is still illegal, it might be overlooked and it might not be ticketed but it is illegal. I do the speed limit and I stay in the right lane so that if someone wants to go faster they can; while it might be petty or ignorant of me to stay in the left lane at 100km/h, I would be doing nothing illegal and nothing I could get ticketed for.

[ab20]

Exactly, obstructing others who want to drive a little bit faster. Even if it's 110km/h. Cops don't give tickets if you drive 130km/h.

Why wouldn't the cop give you a ticket if you are speeding, in your case 20km/h?

[potato]

Okay read this.
http://www.drivers.com/article/149/

Theses were exaggerated charges and not the best example but proof nonetheless.
But there is a charge under HTA 147 for blocking the left lane.
HERE IS MY PROOF.

I was pleasantly surprised a few summers ago when OPP targeted left lane bandits for a week on the 410. Sorry I don't have proof for that.

I never said it was the fast lane.
It is a passing lane. If you are not passing move over.

Germans are taught to drive right, pass left. They're punished if they don't. And driving over there is a treat: fast, disciplined, safe.

[freddy65]

interesting read:


Gordon Thompson, on Friday, 09. March 2007 at 08:45 PM

10 years on, and I still have the best defense for any "speeding" infraction. I have observed that the new unofficial speed limit on the 400 highways is 120.. on other major highways, 100 seems to do. (less in hazardous conditions)
Was I wrong to drive 115 in a 100 zone?
Was I wrong to drive 100 in a 100 zone?
I'll admit that one may be wrong, but everyone must agree, it's impossible to claim that I was wrong in both instances.

Dan Keegan, on Saturday, 10. March 2007 at 04:09 PM

Gordon, I think you brought up a very important issue about enforcement.

I recently had the experience of being ticketed for doing 131 km/hr on the 401 highway. It was in a location well away from urban areas. Ironically, I had just accelerated to move from the "fast lane" into a large space ahead of a cluster of vehicles. I did this to get away from traffic in the fast lane which wanted to go faster than the 120 km/hr I was driving. Some were overtaking on the right (middle lane) at speeds of up to 140 km/hr or more.

Unfortunately, I then became an easy mark for a police radar hidden behind a bridge abutment... easy to measure and easy to follow and stop.

OK, I was over the limit by 31 km/hr and the officer, perhaps in recognition of my explanation, ticketed me for only 115 (sound familiar Gordon?).

I asked the officer why he wasn't in an unmarked car going after the faster speeders, since 120 was the traffic norm and, as you say, the new unofficial speed limit. He mentioned something about his force wanting to be visible (although the behind-the-bridge tactic belied this). He also remarked that if I were to drive at about 115 or so “no one would bother me.”

My response to that is that at 115 everyone would bother me. I would get no peace even in the “slow lane” on the right where most of the traffic would be faster than me.

My point here is that there’s a sort of ‘social contract’ in operation in how the speed limit is enforced. I think you’re right. 120 km/hr IS now the unofficial limit on Ontario’s 400 series highways and obviously, if the social contract is maintained, drivers will not be ticketed if they are following the flow.

I would argue that the emphasis in enforcement should be very heavily on the abnormal driver who radically departs from what other drivers around are doing – ‘excessive’ speed, cutting in, tailgating, etc. I recognize that’s a lot tougher job!

It seems to me that the gap between the speed limit on the sign and the actual limit has widened a lot since you tested the enforcement system 10 years ago. Cars are more powerful now but it seems also that the level of enforcement has declined (see Larry Lonero’s 1999 article "Have the Wheels fallen off traffic enforcement" http://www.drivers.com/article/138 )

Now I wonder whether the social contract is being maintained or are police drifting into an easy-ticketing, revenue-generating, quota-maintaining mode?

[spf1971]

Okay read this.
http://www.drivers.com/article/149/

Theses were exaggerated charges and not the best example but proof nonetheless.
But there is a charge under HTA 147 for blocking the left lane.
HERE IS MY PROOF.

I was pleasantly surprised a few summers ago when OPP targeted left lane bandits for a week on the 410. Sorry I don't have proof for that.

I never said it was the fast lane.
It is a passing lane. If you are not passing move over.

Germans are taught to drive right, pass left. They're punished if they don't. And driving over there is a treat: fast, disciplined, safe.

I would argue that there is a difference between someone simply driving the speed limit and 2 people organizing an 80km rolling roadblock with the intent of antagonizing other drivers. Considering the fact that the driver in the right hand lane was also charged and fined, the courts also felt there was a difference.

[potato]

Yes there is a difference.
But in both instances you are still a jerk.

[spf1971]

Yes there is a difference.
But in both instances you are still a jerk.

Perhaps you should read my post where I said I stay in the right lane to let others pass. Unless you meant "you" in the general sense.

[potato]

Sorry, I am getting confused to who is arguing on what side.

I mean if you sit in the left lane and cause an obstruction because you believe you are not breaking the law, you are a jerk.

[spf1971]

Sorry, I am getting confused to who is arguing on what side.

I mean if you sit in the left lane and cause an obstruction because you believe you are not breaking the law, you are a jerk.

I agree but being a jerk isn't illegal. While it would be annoying and I hope that most people stay right ( but I know not all do), they wouldn't be breaking the law. I've had people sit on my ass in the right lane where I've had to slow down just to force them into the left. The left lane was open, if they want to go faster pass me don't tailgate me when the option is there to pass.

[potato]

HTA 147 - Slow moving traffic - any vehicle moving slower than the normal traffic speed should drive in the right-hand lane, or as close as practicable to the right edge of the road except when preparing to turn left or when passing another vehicle.


Laws can be interpreted in different ways by different people.
In this case the definition of Normal comes into play.
In my humble opinion, it is illegal to travel slower than traffic flow in the left lane.

[freddy65]

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Left lane driving: two wrongs don't make a right

· By: Drivers.com staff
· Date: 2002-04-29
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The Chief of the Minnesota State Patrol says that two wrongs don't make a right when it comes to driving in the left lane. Col. Anne Beers argues that speeding in the left lane is wrong, but it's also wrong to camp there and refuse to move to the right so faster-moving traffic can pass. "We know there is aggressive behavior out on the highways. Why contribute to that?" she said. "Let someone who wants to go faster go by you and your stress stays under control." According to the article in the Star Tribune, drivers in Minnesota, USA, are not consistently moving to the right lane when possible to allow others to pass--as required by state law. Highway signs indicating "Slower traffic keep right" have not helped, and some drivers responded to a recent article by stating their objection to being pushed from behind by speeders and asking "where are the police?" One driver asked: "If I am going 70 in a 60 zone in the left-hand lane, why am I considered a 'camper'?" However, Beers said that the force has little spare time or budget to spend on speed enforcement. "At our normal staffing levels we are losing the battle." See more on this hot topic on the Drivers.com Discussion board. End of Article

[help_questions]

If you are legally allowed to do 100km/h and I am doing 100km/h how am I obstructing traffic? You are not supposed to be going faster than 100km/h so if anyone is going to get a ticket, it will be the person speeding not the person following the speed limit. I know a lot of highways have signs that say "be courteous, stay in the right lane unless passing" but it's not illegal to travel at the speed limit in the left lane.

But 110km/h is still illegal, it might be overlooked and it might not be ticketed but it is illegal. I do the speed limit and I stay in the right lane so that if someone wants to go faster they can; while it might be petty or ignorant of me to stay in the left lane at 100km/h, I would be doing nothing illegal and nothing I could get ticketed for.

yes, using the right lane is the courteous thing to do. Now, back to the topic that started the thread, driving near the speed limit in the HOV lane. As we all know, there isn't a right lane, so we really can't make room for others to pass. As a result, those who want to go faster have to go around when they deem fit or just sit back and enjoy the ride.

In rush hour, 100km/h is probably faster than the traffic in the regular lanes, so if I want to take advantage of the HOV lane, I am not going to consider the fact that my 100km/h will make others wait.......why should I?.....why would I?

[kleptodathief]

i dont drive where there r HOV lanes, but if i do, im sure gonna use if its the FASTEST lane avail:idea:

i wont get pissed off if someone in front of me is going slow there but i'll b on them like WHITE on rice:cheesygri

[angel_wing0]

heck i drive faster than most of the drivers on the hov lane...i have seen someone drive 80 because they were too busy TALKING ON THE PHONE. I feel bad for the car behind it lol :lol:

[jadoocian]

Nothing pisses me off more then ppl driving in the HOV lanes that have no business being there (ie one person in a car). Seroiusly, if you're not supposed to be there, gtfo!

[iluvmikeharris]

i dont drive where there r HOV lanes, but if i do, im sure gonna use if its the FASTEST lane avail:idea:

i wont get pissed off if someone in front of me is going slow there but i'll b on them like WHITE on rice:cheesygri

Here's me gradually slowing down in front of you. :D

[freddy65]

So after reading many posts in this thread we reach the conclusion that drivers who slow down on the HOV lane are wrong.

If you are one of them, smarten up!

Thanks.

/thread

[spf1971]

So after reading many posts in this thread we reach the conclusion that drivers who slow down on the HOV lane are wrong.

If you are one of them, smarten up!

Thanks.

/thread

I don't know how you reached that conclusion, definitely not by reading this thread!!

[iluvmikeharris]

So after reading many posts in this thread we reach the conclusion that drivers who slow down on the HOV lane are wrong.

If you are one of them, smarten up!

Thanks.

/thread

What's this "we" sh*t?

[65505201]

Left lane driving: two wrongs don't make a right

· By: Drivers.com staff
· Date: 2002-04-29
Comments (100) Join conversation

The Chief of the Minnesota State Patrol says that two wrongs don't make a right when it comes to driving in the left lane. Col. Anne Beers argues that speeding in the left lane is wrong, but it's also wrong to camp there and refuse to move to the right so faster-moving traffic can pass. "We know there is aggressive behavior out on the highways. Why contribute to that?" she said. "Let someone who wants to go faster go by you and your stress stays under control." According to the article in the Star Tribune, drivers in Minnesota, USA, are not consistently moving to the right lane when possible to allow others to pass--as required by state law. Highway signs indicating "Slower traffic keep right" have not helped, and some drivers responded to a recent article by stating their objection to being pushed from behind by speeders and asking "where are the police?" One driver asked: "If I am going 70 in a 60 zone in the left-hand lane, why am I considered a 'camper'?" However, Beers said that the force has little spare time or budget to spend on speed enforcement. "At our normal staffing levels we are losing the battle." See more on this hot topic on the Drivers.com Discussion board. End of Article


LOL. "Little spare time or budget to spend on speed enforcement". EVERY single sunny day, I see a cop car or two pulling someone over on near-empty stretches of highway. In my year and a half of daily driving, I have only seen TWO instances where someone is pulled over on busy portions of the highway or during rainy/snowy days.

Granted, that article was printed several years ago. I guess they've smartened up and realized that poaching on open highways where it's safe to speed and bring in lots of $$.

[help_questions]

i dont drive where there r HOV lanes, but if i do, im sure gonna use if its the FASTEST lane avail:idea:

i wont get pissed off if someone in front of me is going slow there but i'll b on them like WHITE on rice:cheesygri

if anyone is on me/my bumper like white on rice, I will slow down, simply because I don't appreciate it when people tail me

So after reading many posts in this thread we reach the conclusion that drivers who slow down on the HOV lane are wrong.

If you are one of them, smarten up!

Thanks.

/thread

Are you nuts? On drugs? Stupid? It has to be something....
If I am speeding in the HOV lane, and see a cop, I will slow down.
If I decide there is I am going too fast,I will slow down.
If I decide to light a cigarette, I might slow down to make sure I light it properly.
And if some clown is on my ass, I will slow down.

Really, the speed limit is the slowest anyone should be going. If you are driving anywhere over 100km/h, it is fair game.

The bottom line is no one should feel pressure to speed to appease other drivers.

Think about it. At 5:00pm, the 404 North is jammed. If I feel like going 101km/h in the HOV lane, and I have a passenger in the car, I am doing NOTHING wrong. period. Does anyone disagree?

[iluvmikeharris]

Think about it. At 5:00pm, the 404 North is jammed. If I feel like going 101km/h in the HOV lane, and I have a passenger in the car, I am doing NOTHING wrong. period. Does anyone disagree?

Nope!

[KorruptioN]

So after reading many posts in this thread we reach the conclusion that drivers who slow down on the HOV lane are wrong.

If you are one of them, smarten up!

Thanks.

/thread

Get off our roads.

[Jon Lai]

Nope!

And you love Mike Harass. Why am I not surprised.

(no I spelt his name correctly :P )

[PsioniC]

But 110km/h is still illegal, it might be overlooked and it might not be ticketed but it is illegal. I do the speed limit and I stay in the right lane so that if someone wants to go faster they can; while it might be petty or ignorant of me to stay in the left lane at 100km/h, I would be doing nothing illegal and nothing I could get ticketed for.

So its rules before common sense? Give me a break. Is there no logic in the world anymore?

There are hundreds upon hundreds of roads in the GTA where the posted speed limits are ridiculous. You know what I do on those roads, I break the law. Because the law doesn't make any sense. If its a brightly lit surface road, where I can see 500m in front of me, there no chances of pedestrians stepping onto the road and the posted speed limit is 40, better believe I'm going to be going 60. And while I'm at it, I might pull a rolling stop at a stop sign.

Better hope they never make it illegal to breath or else you're going to have to choke yourself out.

Ughh reading your post is like being stuck behind some chicken S driver in a corrolla doing 10 under the limit. Get in the right lane, stay there, bring your security blanket with you if you have to. Stay out of the way of people who have somewhere to be. Don't be an idiot.

Or better yet, leave your chicken S corrolla at home and take the bus.

[spf1971]

So its rules before common sense? Give me a break. Is there no logic in the world anymore?

There are hundreds upon hundreds of roads in the GTA where the posted speed limits are ridiculous. You know what I do on those roads, I break the law. Because the law doesn't make any sense. If its a brightly lit surface road, where I can see 500m in front of me, there no chances of pedestrians stepping onto the road and the posted speed limit is 40, better believe I'm going to be going 60. And while I'm at it, I might pull a rolling stop at a stop sign.

Better hope they never make it illegal to breath or else you're going to have to choke yourself out.

Ughh reading your post is like being stuck behind some chicken S driver in a corrolla doing 10 under the limit. Get in the right lane, stay there, bring your security blanket with you if you have to. Stay out of the way of people who have somewhere to be. Don't be an idiot.

Or better yet, leave your chicken S corrolla at home and take the bus.

1. Where did I ever mention anything about common sense?

2. Maybe you should learn to read. Especially the part about where I said I stay in the right lane to let other people pass. It really make my trip go faster when I see idiots scream past me and then 10 minutes later I pass them as they are pulled over getting tickets.

Thanks for coming out and proving yourself to be the idiot you are who can't even read and has nothing to contribute.

[KorruptioN]

So its rules before common sense? Give me a break. Is there no logic in the world anymore?

There are hundreds upon hundreds of roads in the GTA where the posted speed limits are ridiculous. You know what I do on those roads, I break the law. Because the law doesn't make any sense. If its a brightly lit surface road, where I can see 500m in front of me, there no chances of pedestrians stepping onto the road and the posted speed limit is 40, better believe I'm going to be going 60. And while I'm at it, I might pull a rolling stop at a stop sign.

Better hope they never make it illegal to breath or else you're going to have to choke yourself out.

Ughh reading your post is like being stuck behind some chicken S driver in a corrolla doing 10 under the limit. Get in the right lane, stay there, bring your security blanket with you if you have to. Stay out of the way of people who have somewhere to be. Don't be an idiot.

Or better yet, leave your chicken S corrolla at home and take the bus.

Everybody's gotta get out of your way, right? I do admit to speeding from time to time when the conditions are right, but driving like a dick (and being one as well) is something else.

[iluvmikeharris]

And you love Mike Harass. Why am I not surprised.

(no I spelt his name correctly :P )

Well, I'm neither a school teacher nor a beer drinking single mother on welfare, so yes I do tend to appreciate the gentleman's leadership for the province of Ontario.

[PsioniC]

1. Where did I ever mention anything about common sense?

2. Maybe you should learn to read. Especially the part about where I said I stay in the right lane to let other people pass. It really make my trip go faster when I see idiots scream past me and then 10 minutes later I pass them as they are pulled over getting tickets.

Thanks for coming out and proving yourself to be the idiot you are who can't even read and has nothing to contribute.

I'm taking offense to your logic that if no law has been broken you arent doing anything wrong. Which is the overtone of your whole message. Just because a law hasnt been broken doesnt mean you arent acting like an idiot. It isnt illegal to cheat on your signifigant other, doesnt make you any less of a despicable person when you do it though.

I've been driving daily for 4 years now and Ive never had a ticket for any type of moving infraction nor have I been involved in any collisions. I know when its appropriate to break the law and when it isn't.

[PsioniC]

Everybody's gotta get out of your way, right? I do admit to speeding from time to time when the conditions are right, but driving like a dick (and being one as well) is something else.

Yes, I'm a dick, I admit it.

But think about it how many people these drivers are affecting. They don't need to just get out of my way, they need to get out of societies way. There's an etiquette that has been developed for our road ways, because if everyone obeys them then we all get to where we are going faster. EVERYONE WINS.

[bestjsg]

So its rules before common sense? Give me a break. Is there no logic in the world anymore?

There are hundreds upon hundreds of roads in the GTA where the posted speed limits are ridiculous. You know what I do on those roads, I break the law. Because the law doesn't make any sense. If its a brightly lit surface road, where I can see 500m in front of me, there no chances of pedestrians stepping onto the road and the posted speed limit is 40, better believe I'm going to be going 60. And while I'm at it, I might pull a rolling stop at a stop sign.

Better hope they never make it illegal to breath or else you're going to have to choke yourself out.

Ughh reading your post is like being stuck behind some chicken S driver in a corrolla doing 10 under the limit. Get in the right lane, stay there, bring your security blanket with you if you have to. Stay out of the way of people who have somewhere to be. Don't be an idiot.

Or better yet, leave your chicken S corrolla at home and take the bus.




While I don't agree about the breaking the law portion, however, I do agree about the Corrollas...and they are usually gold/yellownish in colour too...:cheesygri

[rfdrfd]

So its rules before common sense? Give me a break. Is there no logic in the world anymore?

There are hundreds upon hundreds of roads in the GTA where the posted speed limits are ridiculous. You know what I do on those roads, I break the law. Because the law doesn't make any sense. If its a brightly lit surface road, where I can see 500m in front of me, there no chances of pedestrians stepping onto the road and the posted speed limit is 40, better believe I'm going to be going 60. And while I'm at it, I might pull a rolling stop at a stop sign.

Better hope they never make it illegal to breath or else you're going to have to choke yourself out.

Ughh reading your post is like being stuck behind some chicken S driver in a corrolla doing 10 under the limit. Get in the right lane, stay there, bring your security blanket with you if you have to. Stay out of the way of people who have somewhere to be. Don't be an idiot.

Or better yet, leave your chicken S corrolla at home and take the bus.


yes, on paper, your arguments are sound. On a bright, sunny, dry day, we can all safely do 80km on a 60km zone. Or 150 on Hwy 401, absoultely safe.

However, since our speed limit signs are not electronic, and they are not weather dependent (I hear some countries have this, speed limit changes depending on the conditions), you driving in Canada have no choice but to follow the law. If everyone started thinking like you, and make up their own rules and speed, there would be chaos.

Yes, I hear ya on the Corollas, cause you do realize who usually buys Corollas right? New immigrants that just arrived (mostly from Asia). So obviously, they are trying to be safer, and slower. New to country, new to roads, don't wanna mess up their car and insurance record.

So, sounds like you are an intelligent person that has been here for awhile, knowing that Corollas are driven by ppl like that, then adjust your driving style accordingly. You already know they are going to drive that way no?


Oh, just realized, you do have a choice if you don't like how the speed limit is set up in this country. Don't drive !!

[blainehamilton]

2. Maybe you should learn to read. Especially the part about where I said I stay in the right lane to let other people pass. It really make my trip go faster when I see idiots scream past me and then 10 minutes later I pass them as they are pulled over getting tickets.



LOL. This is exactly the case I found driving back to Edmonton from Lake Louise last night. I was chugging along just over the speed limit along with 97% of the other drivers.

On hiway 1 towards calgary, exactly 6 cars/suvs and 1 van blew by me doing at least 130+, one of them way over 150. I passed ALL of them as they were pulled over at different points further up the road.

On hiway 2 from Calgary to Edmonton, pretty much everyone was doing the same 115ish. A couple of people creeped past at 120, but not much other than that. The exception was a group of luxury/sports cars that flew past just north of bear hills. There was a bimmer 7 series, a 300m, an rx8, and a couple of other cars and an acura suv. The whole group was doing 130+.

Guess what, they all were pulled over together by 3 alberta sherrifs accross from the weigh scale just south of leduc.

I got to my destination faster than any of those clowns. And I paid less, both in gas, and in fines...



If its a brightly lit surface road, where I can see 500m in front of me, there no chances of pedestrians stepping onto the road and the posted speed limit is 40, better believe I'm going to be going 60. And while I'm at it, I might pull a rolling stop at a stop sign.


And you'll keep doing this until you kill some kid who runs into the street after his soccer ball, or mame a jogger or biker who you don't see until it's too late. A margin of 20 is barely acceptable at freeway speeds of 100 to 110, and you are trying to rationalize it in a 40 zone? And saying you might roll thru a stop sign, why bother to slow down at all?

Does a school zone 30 or a construction zone 50 get the same treatment? If so, you are a disaster waiting to happen.

I've seen what a body being run over looks like. Not a pretty death.

[freddy65]

So its rules before common sense? Give me a break. Is there no logic in the world anymore?

There are hundreds upon hundreds of roads in the GTA where the posted speed limits are ridiculous. You know what I do on those roads, I break the law. Because the law doesn't make any sense. If its a brightly lit surface road, where I can see 500m in front of me, there no chances of pedestrians stepping onto the road and the posted speed limit is 40, better believe I'm going to be going 60. And while I'm at it, I might pull a rolling stop at a stop sign.

Better hope they never make it illegal to breath or else you're going to have to choke yourself out.

Ughh reading your post is like being stuck behind some chicken S driver in a corrolla doing 10 under the limit. Get in the right lane, stay there, bring your security blanket with you if you have to. Stay out of the way of people who have somewhere to be. Don't be an idiot.

Or better yet, leave your chicken S corrolla at home and take the bus.

you're my hero.

[TenzoR]

Yes, I'm a dick, I admit it.

But think about it how many people these drivers are affecting. They don't need to just get out of my way, they need to get out of societies way. There's an etiquette that has been developed for our road ways, because if everyone obeys them then we all get to where we are going faster. EVERYONE WINS.

The only etiquette that has been developed for our road ways (in Toronto atleast) is everyone for themselves.

[spf1971]

I'm taking offense to your logic that if no law has been broken you arent doing anything wrong. Which is the overtone of your whole message. Just because a law hasnt been broken doesnt mean you arent acting like an idiot. It isnt illegal to cheat on your signifigant other, doesnt make you any less of a despicable person when you do it though.

I've been driving daily for 4 years now and Ive never had a ticket for any type of moving infraction nor have I been involved in any collisions. I know when its appropriate to break the law and when it isn't.

But 110km/h is still illegal, it might be overlooked and it might not be ticketed but it is illegal. I do the speed limit and I stay in the right lane so that if someone wants to go faster they can; while it might be petty or ignorant of me to stay in the left lane at 100km/h, I would be doing nothing illegal and nothing I could get ticketed for.

I agree but being a jerk isn't illegal. While it would be annoying and I hope that most people stay right ( but I know not all do), they wouldn't be breaking the law. I've had people sit on my ass in the right lane where I've had to slow down just to force them into the left. The left lane was open, if they want to go faster pass me don't tailgate me when the option is there to pass.

PLEASE PLEASE learn to read. Where did I say that they weren't doing anything wrong, I said they weren't doing anything ILLEGAL. I said that it would be petty and ignorant and that I would hope they stay in the right lane. So the overtone of my whole message is clearly NOTHING even close to what you claim it is.

As for your 4 years or driving experience, I have 18 so I think I have you trumped in the experience category. I won't even comment on your "I know when its appropriate to break the law" comment.

[TenzoR]

As for your 4 years or driving experience, I have 18 so I think I have you trumped in the experience category. I won't even comment on your "I know when its appropriate to break the law" comment.

more doesn't mean better

[spf1971]

more doesn't mean better

No you're right it doesn't but Psionic said he had 4 years experience as if it made a difference. If time is all that matters, 18 years is more than 4 years.

[Tomy]

While I don't agree about the breaking the law portion, however, I do agree about the Corrollas...and they are usually gold/yellownish in colour too...:cheesygri

+1
corooooooollas champaign colour ftw!

The only etiquette that has been developed for our road ways (in Toronto atleast) is everyone for themselves.

i agree..>:(
hence, this thread :)

anyway.. SLOWER TRAFFIC keep right! i forgot where i see this sign..but i do see them on the 401 :D

[thelefteyeguy]

+1
corooooooollas champaign colour ftw!



i agree..>:(
hence, this thread :)

anyway.. SLOWER TRAFFIC keep right! i forgot where i see this sign..but i do see them on the 401 :D

this one (asian) lady on her corolla on Saturday pissed a whole bunch of ppl off....80km/h on the HOV lane going up to HWY 7 on 404

everyone just got out on the solid line (including myself) ;)

[TenzoR]

this one (asian) lady on her corolla on Saturday pissed a whole bunch of ppl off....80km/h on the HOV lane going up to HWY 7 on 404

everyone just got out on the solid line (including myself) ;)

So basically you couldn't just wait a bit longer till you get to a point where you can safely pass the Corolla

[TenzoR]

+1
corooooooollas champaign colour ftw!



i agree..>:(
hence, this thread :)

anyway.. SLOWER TRAFFIC keep right! i forgot where i see this sign..but i do see them on the 401 :D

I'm pretty that sign is not intended for the HOV lane users.

[Tomy]

80 on the HOV?

woooooow.

[TenzoR]

80 on the HOV?

woooooow.

I've been behind slower :|

[Tomy]

I've been behind slower :|

yea..stop following me man..

i got excited when i saw you tailgating me :cheesygri

[khtm]

I think this thread can be broken down into 4 types of posters:

(A) People who respect the law (speed limits) and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far right lane.

(B) People who respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the HOV lane doing exactly the limit.

(C) People who DO NOT respect the law and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, and if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they politely move to the right.

(D) People who DO NOT respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, but if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they stay right where they are - why should they be bothered to move over for someone else?

I doubt anybody will change their driving habits because of this thread. It is sad, however, to see that most of the recent posters are likely of the (B) variety, because they are arguably the worst type of driver as it's been proven that driving under the average speed is more dangerous than speeding (www.sense.bc.ca/research.htm). And undoubtedly more so if you're restricting the flow of other vehicles. >:(

[GunnerX]

I think this thread can be broken down into 4 types of posters:

(A) People who respect the law (speed limits) and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far right lane.

(B) People who respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the HOV lane doing exactly the limit.

(C) People who DO NOT respect the law and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, and if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they politely move to the right.

(D) People who DO NOT respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, but if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they stay right where they are - why should they be bothered to move over for someone else?

I doubt anybody will change their driving habits because of this thread. It is sad, however, to see that most of the recent posters are likely of the (B) variety, because they are arguably the worst type of driver as it's been proven that driving under the average speed is more dangerous than speeding (www.sense.bc.ca/research.htm). And undoubtedly more so if you're restricting the flow of other vehicles. >:(

I highly doubt you can take what people have said in this thread and take it seriously. People say whatever they want on RFD but totally behave differently in real life. Just ignore and move on. This thread has ran it's course.

[Tomy]

I think this thread can be broken down into 4 types of posters:

(A) People who respect the law (speed limits) and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far right lane.

(B) People who respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the HOV lane doing exactly the limit.

(C) People who DO NOT respect the law and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, and if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they politely move to the right.

(D) People who DO NOT respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, but if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they stay right where they are - why should they be bothered to move over for someone else?

I doubt anybody will change their driving habits because of this thread. It is sad, however, to see that most of the recent posters are likely of the (B) variety, because they are arguably the worst type of driver as it's been proven that driving under the average speed is more dangerous than speeding (www.sense.bc.ca/research.htm). And undoubtedly more so if you're restricting the flow of other vehicles. >:(

nicely said

[rems]

I think this thread can be broken down into 4 types of posters:

(A) People who respect the law (speed limits) and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far right lane.

(B) People who respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the HOV lane doing exactly the limit.

(C) People who DO NOT respect the law and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, and if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they politely move to the right.

(D) People who DO NOT respect the law and DO NOT respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, but if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they stay right where they are - why should they be bothered to move over for someone else?

I doubt anybody will change their driving habits because of this thread. It is sad, however, to see that most of the recent posters are likely of the (B) variety, because they are arguably the worst type of driver as it's been proven that driving under the average speed is more dangerous than speeding (www.sense.bc.ca/research.htm). And undoubtedly more so if you're restricting the flow of other vehicles. >:(


you forgot

E) People who go do not respect the law and do not respect other drivers. Expecting people to move out of their way even though they are NOT in the passing lane.

[TenzoR]

I think this thread can be broken down into 4 types of posters:


You are making it harder, there are really only two types of drivers

1: Drivers who respect other drivers
2: Drivers who don't respect other drivers

[stealth]

You are making it harder, there are really only two types of drivers

1: Drivers who respect other drivers
2: Drivers who don't respect other drivers

-1
khtm had it right the first time.

Respect for the law is at least as important for respect for other drivers.

Theres little value in respecting those who do not respect the laws we all signed on to abide by when we got our drivers licenses.

As much as I believe in "going with the flow" of traffic, people have to understand 1) that the HOV lane is NOT an "autobahn" lane. 2) the speed limit says "MAX 100kms" NOT "Min 100kms" as most of us act. So it is foolish to chastise someone who is going at or slightly below the limit (although I would like to see more enforcement by the police of these drivers keeping to the left to allow faster drivers to safely pass.).

[freddy65]

I think this thread can be broken down into 4 types of posters:

(C) People who DO NOT respect the law and respect other drivers. They can usually be found in the far left lane or the HOV lane, and if someone comes along behind them going FASTER than them, they politely move to the right.


That's me!

[rems]

-1
khtm had it right the first time.

Respect for the law is at least as important for respect for other drivers.

Theres little value in respecting those who do not respect the laws we all signed on to abide by when we got our drivers licenses.

As much as I believe in "going with the flow" of traffic, people have to understand 1) that the HOV lane is NOT an "autobahn" lane. 2) the speed limit says "MAX 100kms" NOT "Min 100kms" as most of us act. So it is foolish to chastise someone who is going at or slightly below the limit (although I would like to see more enforcement by the police of these drivers keeping to the left to allow faster drivers to safely pass.).

nicely said

[TenzoR]

-1
khtm had it right the first time.

Respect for the law is at least as important for respect for other drivers.

Theres little value in respecting those who do not respect the laws we all signed on to abide by when we got our drivers licenses.


If the person can't even respect another human being, what makes you think he'll give a crap about the law?

[darius_m5]

If the person can't even respect another human being, what makes you think he'll give a crap about the law?

Because respecting the law will prevent tickets, so these people are selfish in that sense.

[untaka]

I've never been on an HOV lane, personally I would feel bad holding up people like that and not allowing them to overtake me, anyways.

TALK ABOUT CRAZY CROLLA SLOW DRIVERS!!!

Saturday while going down Brimley (WHILE ITS RAINING) Some CRAZY old asian lady pulls out of this asian mall and stops in the street WHILE TRAFFIC WAS MOVING, I almost got into an accident lucky I braked hard and went a little on the curb the SUV behind dashed into the next lane and the car in front swirved into the mall. WTF I couldn't believe it, how do these people get their licence??????????

This only relates to the topic because she was driving a Crolla beige champange colour :D

[help_questions]

I've never been on an HOV lane, personally I would feel bad holding up people like that and not allowing them to overtake me, anyways.


but here is the question...if you had a passenger with you (therefore entitling you to use of the HOV lane) and it is 5:05pm and the highway is jammed with bumper to bumper traffic, would you use the HOV lane and feel bad? You shouldn't feel bad....that lane is there for people with passengers, not for speeding.

[untaka]

but here is the question...if you had a passenger with you (therefore entitling you to use of the HOV lane) and it is 5:05pm and the highway is jammed with bumper to bumper traffic, would you use the HOV lane and feel bad? You shouldn't feel bad....that lane is there for people with passengers, not for speeding.

ugh I made a long post to this but timed out so the post never made it.

Anyways it depends. I would use the lane, nothing wrong with that.

[Tomy]

but here is the question...if you had a passenger with you (therefore entitling you to use of the HOV lane) and it is 5:05pm and the highway is jammed with bumper to bumper traffic, would you use the HOV lane and feel bad? You shouldn't feel bad....that lane is there for people with passengers, not for speeding.

+1 i would..

but on a normal day with no bumper to bumper traffic, we shouldn't.

[help_questions]

+1 i would..

but on a normal day with no bumper to bumper traffic, we shouldn't.

well, i'll add to that....
even if there is traffic......at ANY point, if you've got passengers and the HOV lane will get you where you want to go faster, it is there for your use, as long as you drive >= 100km/h.

[help_questions]

a related update.

It was raining this week, and I was on the 404 North. There was lots, and I mean lots of traffic in the lanes, so I decided to use the HOV lane.
The roads were wet, and I had my children in the car. I drove 100km/h (cruise control) the whole way home (major mac) and got a few dirty looks from people who passed me as I merged to get off. What is wrong with these people? Why do people think the HOV lane is for speeders only? I looked them in their face and shrugged my shoulders and laughed. I think it made then even more pissed.

[bly]

Over the long weekend, I was behind a Mazda 3 that was going 80km/h. I was driving pretty close behind trying to encourage him to go faster. The lady passenger in the Mazda 3 then turns and gives me a look like "WTH."

The car slows to 70km/h but since I was in no rush just slowed and stayed close to the bumper. The two cars behind me sped into the right lanes to cutoff the Mazda 3. I exited the highway shortly after.

It was a Saturday afternoon and traffic was moving well. I'm not going to bother to understand why this joe decided to travel below 100 km/h on the HOV. He could have easily used the other lanes but I guess there are somethings in life you can't explain... so why bother.

[telman]

Over the long weekend, I was behind a Mazda 3 that was going 80km/h. I was driving pretty close behind trying to encourage him to go faster. The lady passenger in the Mazda 3 then turns and gives me a look like "WTH."

The car slows to 70km/h but since I was in no rush just slowed and stayed close to the bumper. The two cars behind me sped into the right lanes to cutoff the Mazda 3. I exited the highway shortly after.

It was a Saturday afternoon and traffic was moving well. I'm not going to bother to understand why this joe decided to travel below 100 km/h on the HOV. He could have easily used the other lanes but I guess there are somethings in life you can't explain... so why bother.

Staying on her bumper makes you a dangerous driver. How would you feel if you rear ended her and her kids were injured? What we need are better police enforcement on dangerous drivers like you.

[vaportech]

Staying on her bumper makes you a dangerous driver. How would you feel if you rear ended her and her kids were injured? What we need are better police enforcement on dangerous drivers like you.

noo.. he was encouraging them to go faster because if you drive slower than the flow of traffic you are the one that will cause accidents so thus you are the dangerous driver. Speeding kills, but driving slow kills to. Also there is a ticket for not driving fast enough on the highway. Bet you didn't know that one.

[TenzoR]

noo.. he was encouraging them to go faster because if you drive slower than the flow of traffic you are the one that will cause accidents so thus you are the dangerous driver. Speeding kills, but driving slow kills to. Also there is a ticket for not driving fast enough on the highway. Bet you didn't know that one.

Yea, when he rear ends the person, he will tell the police I was "encouraging" them to go at the normal pace. That will work ...

[telman]

noo.. he was encouraging them to go faster because if you drive slower than the flow of traffic you are the one that will cause accidents so thus you are the dangerous driver. Speeding kills, but driving slow kills to. Also there is a ticket for not driving fast enough on the highway. Bet you didn't know that one.

I knew that but tailgating is much more dangerous. You can even get a ticket for going the speed limit but thats another thread. There could be many reasons they were going slow, car troubles, something in front of them, all the way to appling make up. Still not a reason for tailgating. I found that by using my windshield washer, the spray will hit the tailgaters window and cause them to back off!

[bly]

I knew that but tailgating is much more dangerous. You can even get a ticket for going the speed limit but thats another thread. There could be many reasons they were going slow, car troubles, something in front of them, all the way to appling make up. Still not a reason for tailgating. I found that by using my windshield washer, the spray will hit the tailgaters window and cause them to back off!

If they had car problems, they should pull over and stop. Otherwise, they should not be driving at all. Not quite sure what kind of car problems would warrant someone to drive 70 km/h on the highway with no traffic in front. But feel free to make more assumptions to argue your point.

[bly]

Staying on her bumper makes you a dangerous driver. How would you feel if you rear ended her and her kids were injured? What we need are better police enforcement on dangerous drivers like you.

I will use my horn and high beams next time to encourage them to go faster. Maybe they will get the hint.

[phomp]

I just do not understand why it makes people so angry...

what used to piss me off though, (not that it fits in this thread but w/e) is the people who are entering the highway or a lane that is busy and just enter right at the last moment cutting off everyone who has been in that line waiting... Now I just do not let them in and move on with my life.. lol if they get mad, I do not take any offence, they should wait like everyone else.:)

[spf1971]

I will use my horn and high beams next time to encourage them to go faster. Maybe they will get the hint.

Maybe you should stop being an idiot and simply pass them if you feel they are going too slow.

[Tomy]

Staying on her bumper makes you a dangerous driver. How would you feel if you rear ended her and her kids were injured? What we need are better police enforcement on dangerous drivers like you.

driving slow is also dangerous... how would you feel if she gets into an accident and have her and her kids injured? What we need are better police enforcement on dangerous drivers like her to prevent further accidents.

Maybe you should stop being an idiot and simply pass them if you feel they are going too slow.

may be she should speed up to the limit or simply stay on the right lane (slow lane).

i guess you haven't used the HOV... once you enter it, you have a long way till you can exit..



lastly, food for thought, if she was going 70-90 km/hr on the HOV, what will happen when she goes to the fast lane that is going 120, even 100 km/hr... or vice versa.

i dont condone tailgating, but you shouldn't be driving under the speed limit when there isn't any traffic

[rems]

driving slow is also dangerous... how would you feel if she gets into an accident and have her and her kids injured? What we need are better police enforcement on dangerous drivers like her to prevent further accidents.



may be she should speed up to the limit or simply stay on the right lane (slow lane).

i guess you haven't used the HOV... once you enter it, you have a long way till you can exit..



lastly, food for thought, if she was going 70-90 km/hr on the HOV, what will happen when she goes to the fast lane that is going 120, even 100 km/hr... or vice versa.

i dont condone tailgating, but you shouldn't be driving under the speed limit when there isn't any traffic

what about bad weather/poor visibility?!

[spf1971]

driving slow is also dangerous... how would you feel if she gets into an accident and have her and her kids injured? What we need are better police enforcement on dangerous drivers like her to prevent further accidents.



may be she should speed up to the limit or simply stay on the right lane (slow lane).

i guess you haven't used the HOV... once you enter it, you have a long way till you can exit..



lastly, food for thought, if she was going 70-90 km/hr on the HOV, what will happen when she goes to the fast lane that is going 120, even 100 km/hr... or vice versa.

i dont condone tailgating, but you shouldn't be driving under the speed limit when there isn't any traffic

Unless you are on a highway with a minimum speed limit, it's not your job to police the slow speed of others. If you don't like the speed others are going, pass them, live with it or take a different route from now on.

Where in the hell did you guys get your licenses to believe that you can tailgate others if they aren't going fast enough.

[Tomy]

Unless you are on a highway with a minimum speed limit, it's not your job to police the slow speed of others. If you don't like the speed others are going, pass them, live with it or take a different route from now on.

Where in the hell did you guys get your licenses to believe that you can tailgate others if they aren't going fast enough.

who said i tailgate others?

im just stating the fact that slower drivers will and have caused accident.
at the same time, tailgating will and have caused accidents as well.. so what do you want?

wait.. were u the one driving the mazda3? is that why you're so hurt?

[spf1971]

who said i tailgate others?

im just stating the fact that slower drivers will and have caused accident.
at the same time, tailgating will and have caused accidents as well.. so what do you want?

wait.. were u the one driving the mazda3? is that why you're so hurt?

It's not the fact that people were driving slow that caused the accidents, it's the people who rear end them. If everyone is driving 70km/h there is the same risk of accidents as if everyone was driving 100km/h so saying that by driving slow they are causing accidents is BS. If you match their speed you won't get into an accident. It might take you a few minutes more to get to where you're going but that's life. If you don't like it, pass them. If you can't pass them, too bad!!!

[freddy65]

people who drive slow are usually bad drivers.

[spf1971]

people who drive slow are usually bad drivers.

Really? Do you have anything to back up that statement?

[freddy65]

Really? Do you have anything to back up that statement?

Yes, from observing traffic and lousy drivers out there.

[spf1971]

Yes, from observing traffic and lousy drivers out there.

I would say it's the idiots tailgating others who are the bad drivers. But the really bad drivers are the ones who think that everyone should be driving at mach speed no matter what. They generally believe they can drive better than they really can. The people who drive at their abilities even if that means a bit slower is the better option.

[potato]

Slow drivers in the passing lane are either not paying attention, completely inconsiderate to the flow of traffic, or not competent enough to drive at flow speed. ie bad/dangerous drivers.

[telman]

Unless you are on a highway with a minimum speed limit, it's not your job to police the slow speed of others. If you don't like the speed others are going, pass them, live with it or take a different route from now on.

Where in the hell did you guys get your licenses to believe that you can tailgate others if they aren't going fast enough.

I agree except for the part about minimum speed limit, its not anyone besides the authorities job to police the driving of others. Pass them and move along..

[KorruptioN]

Really? Do you have anything to back up that statement?

Yes, from observing traffic and lousy drivers out there.

That's not really backing up your claims...

Obviously, you're a better driver than everybody and everybody needs to get out of your way :rolleyes:

[spf1971]

I agree except for the part about minimum speed limit, its not anyone besides the authorities job to police the driving of others. Pass them and move along..

That didn't come out the way I had intended. What I should have said was :unless there is a minimum speed limit posted, it's nobodies business how slow someone goes and then it's the police's responsibility.

[Tomy]

That didn't come out the way I had intended. What I should have said was :unless there is a minimum speed limit posted, it's nobodies business how slow someone goes and then it's the police's responsibility.

i don't know how u passed your G exam, try going 80 km/hr on the highway with normal visibility/weather (as per rems :cheesygri ) and no traffic.

remember spf1971, op was saying how someone was driving 70-80 on the HOV, not the 100 arbitrary # u made up here.

why sooooo serious all the time. just enjoy life. think about it, you would be considerate enough to open doors for people, they will do the same for you, why be a bitc about it... unless you're those types of people who enjoy causing inconvenience...then im wasting my time here ;)

[at1212b]

People who are unaware (both slow or fast) or just completely insensitive to the drivers, the situation and dynamics around are the problem.

[Tomy]

People who are unaware (both slow or fast) or just completely insensitive to the drivers, the situation and dynamics around are the problem.

+1

nothing we can do...

[kleptodathief]

i don't mind slow mofos, just don't b 'blocking' me in , i'll pass them on the right nps

[spf1971]

i don't know how u passed your G exam, try going 80 km/hr on the highway with normal visibility/weather (as per rems :cheesygri ) and no traffic.

remember spf1971, op was saying how someone was driving 70-80 on the HOV, not the 100 arbitrary # u made up here.

why sooooo serious all the time. just enjoy life. think about it, you would be considerate enough to open doors for people, they will do the same for you, why be a bitc about it... unless you're those types of people who enjoy causing inconvenience...then im wasting my time here ;)

If you've read any of my previous posts you'll see that I make every effort to allow those who want to pass me the opportunity to pass me. My problem is with the people who feel they have the right to demand others to drive faster. They feel that they have the absolute right to tailgate, flash their lights and honk if the person in front of them is not going fast enough.

It annoys me as well when I come upon someone who is doing 70-80km/h on the highway. Do you know what I do? I wait until I can pass them and then I pass them. I don't tailgate them, I don't honk my horn and I don't flash my lights. Do you know what I do when someone tailgates me thinking it will make me go faster? I slow down. Pissed off because I was only doing 100km/h, imagine how you're going to feel when I'm doing 60km/h.

I'll throw it right back at you; "why sooooo serious all the time. just enjoy life. think about it, you would be considerate enough to open doors for people, they will do the same for you, why be a ***** about it... unless you're those types of people who enjoy causing inconvenience...then i'm wasting my time here ;)". That applies to people tailgating a hell of a lot more than someone going 80km/h. Maybe the person going 80km/h is enjoying life and enjoying the scenery. Do you think the person getting all stressed out because they could be going 20 km/h faster is enjoying life?

[Tomy]

If you've read any of my previous posts you'll see that I make every effort to allow those who want to pass me the opportunity to pass me. My problem is with the people who feel they have the right to demand others to drive faster. They feel that they have the absolute right to tailgate, flash their lights and honk if the person in front of them is not going fast enough.

It annoys me as well when I come upon someone who is doing 70-80km/h on the highway. Do you know what I do? I wait until I can pass them and then I pass them. I don't tailgate them, I don't honk my horn and I don't flash my lights. Do you know what I do when someone tailgates me thinking it will make me go faster? I slow down. Pissed off because I was only doing 100km/h, imagine how you're going to feel when I'm doing 60km/h.

I'll throw it right back at you; "why sooooo serious all the time. just enjoy life. think about it, you would be considerate enough to open doors for people, they will do the same for you, why be a ***** about it... unless you're those types of people who enjoy causing inconvenience...then i'm wasting my time here ;)". That applies to people tailgating a hell of a lot more than someone going 80km/h. Maybe the person going 80km/h is enjoying life and enjoying the scenery. Do you think the person getting all stressed out because they could be going 20 km/h faster is enjoying life?

i LOLed.:cheesygri

[PsioniC]

Why do people demonize people who hustle on the roadways. Everywhere else in life its seen as a good thing. If someone really gets into something and get its down quickly and effeciently they are praised. As soon as you take that mentality to the road you become a criminal.

I like to make time when I get from point A to point B. I drive fast and I drive with my full attention on the road. I get things done on the road.

Imagine it was an office situation and you had wait to for a sales report from someone below you before you could proceed with whatever you were going to do. Now imagine this person took the maximum amount of time they were allotted all the time. 100% of the time. Even if they had nothing else to do. It would probably drive you ballistic, because not only were they being inefficient and wasting time in general they were also wasting your time and making you less efficient. Now say you have someone who gets that sales report done early, he is praised because he speeds the whole process up.

It the exact same thing when some wussy in front of me is doing exactly the speed limit on a perfectly sunny day, with no other traffic around and no other distractions. Hustle a little bit, lets try and increase the efficiency of this god damn city.

[spf1971]

Why do people demonize people who hustle on the roadways. Everywhere else in life its seen as a good thing. If someone really gets into something and get its down quickly and effeciently they are praised. As soon as you take that mentality to the road you become a criminal.

I like to make time when I get from point A to point B. I drive fast and I drive with my full attention on the road. I get things done on the road.

Imagine it was an office situation and you had wait to for a sales report from someone below you before you could proceed with whatever you were going to do. Now imagine this person took the maximum amount of time they were allotted all the time. 100% of the time. Even if they had nothing else to do. It would probably drive you ballistic, because not only were they being inefficient and wasting time in general they were also wasting your time and making you less efficient. Now say you have someone who gets that sales report done early, he is praised because he speeds the whole process up.

It the exact same thing when some wussy in front of me is doing exactly the speed limit on a perfectly sunny day, with no other traffic around and no other distractions. Hustle a little bit, lets try and increase the efficiency of this god damn city.

The problem with the scenario you presented is that it doesn't reflect the issue at hand. In your scenario you have to wait for a report from someone but on the street, you can simply pass the person. The people tailgating aren't simply waiting for the report; they are sitting on the persons desk poking them and saying "HEY, HEY, HURRY UP, HURRY UP, HEY, HEY, HURRY UP".

If you want to go faster PASS THE PERSON.

[PsioniC]

I never tail gate people as a matter of principal.

I'm talking about single lane situation or GOD FORBID two of these morons start flying in formation and tag team raping the rest of the traffic behind them.

[Tomy]

I never tail gate people as a matter of principal.

I'm talking about single lane situation or GOD FORBID two of these morons start flying in formation and tag team raping the rest of the traffic behind them.

hahaha tag team raping!

and at the end of the day, the slower drivers and tailgaters are congesting traffic :(

why cant we compromise

[telman]

Why do people demonize people who hustle on the roadways. Everywhere else in life its seen as a good thing. If someone really gets into something and get its down quickly and effeciently they are praised. As soon as you take that mentality to the road you become a criminal.

I like to make time when I get from point A to point B. I drive fast and I drive with my full attention on the road. I get things done on the road.

Imagine it was an office situation and you had wait to for a sales report from someone below you before you could proceed with whatever you were going to do. Now imagine this person took the maximum amount of time they were allotted all the time. 100% of the time. Even if they had nothing else to do. It would probably drive you ballistic, because not only were they being inefficient and wasting time in general they were also wasting your time and making you less efficient. Now say you have someone who gets that sales report done early, he is praised because he speeds the whole process up.

It the exact same thing when some wussy in front of me is doing exactly the speed limit on a perfectly sunny day, with no other traffic around and no other distractions. Hustle a little bit, lets try and increase the efficiency of this god damn city.


Really???
Comparing an office to a highway? Driving is probably the most dangerous thing that people regularly do, many people die due to bad drivers, and with the "I am a good driver, I drive fast" atitude, you are a bad driver. You are risking your life, other people life, property etc so you can get somewhere a few minutes faster.

[Tomy]

Really???
Comparing an office to a highway? Driving is probably the most dangerous thing that people regularly do, many people die due to bad drivers, and with the "I am a good driver, I drive fast" atitude, you are a bad driver. You are risking your life, other people life, property etc so you can get somewhere a few minutes faster.

lol u make no sense buddy...

the same can be said for slow drivers...

anyway.. let's just say the limit is a 100 km/hr.. if u are going 101 km/hr, yes you are speeding and you can be ticketed.. but driving over the limit doesn't mean you are a bad driver or risking the life of others.

a person who is going 100 km/hr, talking on the cell phone, etc etc can be more dangerous than the person going 101 or 120 or whatever speed you want it to be.

any competent driver (good drivers), will determine their speed according to a few factors:

weather (rems), road condition, driver's state of mind (visibility, fatique, etc etc, distracted), their car's features (stability control, brakes, tires), and traffic condition..

basically, in order to be a competent driver, you will drive accordingly to the factors above. and apparently, any of the above changes frequently, so you gotta adjust yourself accordingly.

and remember, just because you are driving slow, you are not simply causing inconvenience to the person right bhind you, everyone else will be affected, since now, everyone behind you have to adjust to your speed or find a way to pass you.

if the flow is faster than you, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution, just keep right.

[PsioniC]

Really???
Comparing an office to a highway? Driving is probably the most dangerous thing that people regularly do, many people die due to bad drivers, and with the "I am a good driver, I drive fast" atitude, you are a bad driver. You are risking your life, other people life, property etc so you can get somewhere a few minutes faster.

You're over cautious wussies are exactly the problem with this city's traffic. I follow the spirit of the law, not the word of the law. Most speed limits were in this city were set decades ago. My vehicles are properly maintained and have air bags coming out the wazoo, as do 90% of the other vehicles on the road. The fact of the matter is that vehicles today have shorter stopping distances, faster acceleration and are about 300% safer. There is no reason why I cant do 50 in a 40 safely.

That isnt even raising the issue that I'm in my early 20's, in peak physical condition, I have excellent eye site and reaction times. Why should I be going the same speed as someone who is 80, starting to lose their vision and has the reaction speed of a sloth. 99% percent of people can safely drive faster than the posted speed limit but you're all lemmings blindly follow the written word of the law. Think you for yourself every once in a while.

I drive based on the conditions of the road and the situation around me. I've been driving daily for 4 years now and have never had a problem. I am not a bad driver.

[PsioniC]

lol u make no sense buddy...

the same can be said for slow drivers...

anyway.. let's just say the limit is a 100 km/hr.. if u are going 101 km/hr, yes you are speeding and you can be ticketed.. but driving over the limit doesn't mean you are a bad driver or risking the life of others.

a person who is going 100 km/hr, talking on the cell phone, etc etc can be more dangerous than the person going 101 or 120 or whatever speed you want it to be.

any competent driver (good drivers), will determine their speed according to a few factors:

weather (rems), road condition, driver's state of mind (visibility, fatique, etc etc, distracted), their car's features (stability control, brakes, tires), and traffic condition..

basically, in order to be a competent driver, you will drive accordingly to the factors above. and apparently, any of the above changes frequently, so you gotta adjust yourself accordingly.

and remember, just because you are driving slow, you are not simply causing inconvenience to the person right bhind you, everyone else will be affected, since now, everyone behind you have to adjust to your speed or find a way to pass you.

if the flow is faster than you, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution, just keep right.

See, we could hang.

You bring up another good point. I dont touch my cellphone when I'm driving, I don't smoke, I keep my full attention on the road when I drive and I'm aware of the traffic around me, not just in front of me.

People are quick to demonize me when I make some time on the road and call me dangerous, but I put my full attention on driving. I'd argue that the soccer mom in her SUV with a cellphone in one hand and a cigarette in the other doing the speed limit is FAR more dangerous than me doing 10 over the limit on a sunny day on a straight road. What she is doing is perfectly legal though, ridiculous.

But here's the problem. You're using logic, and thinking for yourself. This scares the lemmings out there. They like to have everything laid out in front of them and dont ever break the mold.

[telman]

"That isnt even raising the issue that I'm in my early 20's"

Ah youth, when you know everything, as opposed to age when you realize you knew jack. I was a professional driver for 20 years and seen many changes, but I didn't realize people don't get injured in car accidents due to airbags. A car screaming down the road at 120+ makes a much bigger impact than one at 100. Cars maybe superior to yesterdays cars but there is many more on the road, and the condition of the roads is another factor, distractions are reasons for the current speed limits.

[Tomy]

"That isnt even raising the issue that I'm in my early 20's"

Ah youth, when you know everything, as opposed to age when you realize you knew jack. I was a professional driver for 20 years and seen many changes, but I didn't realize people don't get injured in car accidents due to airbags. A car screaming down the road at 120+ makes a much bigger impact than one at 100. Cars maybe superior to yesterdays cars but there is many more on the road, and the condition of the roads is another factor, distractions are reasons for the current speed limits.

you can say 120+ make a much bigger impact than 100

the same can be said for 100 making a bigger impact than 60.. so are we suggesting driving at a lowest speed possible to avoid impacts?

the point here is, there is no justification for speed that causes accident, it is the dangerous driving behaviour and not driving according to road condition that causes accident. Driving 120 on a normal day can be very safe. But driving 120 when it's raining/snowing or there's traffic or your brakes failing or etc. will cause dangerous behaviour. SO it is in our responsibility to take driving as a privilege and to be courtesy to everyone on the road, check up on your car, your mirror, and drive accordingly. If the flow is going 80 km/hr, so be it, but if the flow of traffic is going 120 and you feel like going 100 and slowing it even more when someone tailgates you, both you and the tailgater are not considerate.

[blainehamilton]

My vehicles are properly maintained and have air bags coming out the wazoo, as do 90% of the other vehicles on the road. The fact of the matter is that vehicles today have shorter stopping distances, faster acceleration and are about 300% safer. There is no reason why I cant do 50 in a 40 safely.


No one is disputing the fact you could be doing 50 in a 40 safely...

...as long as no kid runs out in front of your vehicle with no warning. All the air bags in the world won't help him. A slower speed might.

[Tomy]

No one is disputing the fact you could be doing 50 in a 40 safely...

...as long as no kid runs out in front of your vehicle with no warning. All the air bags in the world won't help him. A slower speed might.

you are correct to a certain degree. Going slower might save the kid, at the same time, it is may be 50 in the 40 might also save the kid as you were travelling faster, etc. Basically, if the driver was fully aware about his/her surroundings, driving conditions, visibility etc, I can assure you, it can be done safely. However, if anyone of the condition is lacking, he should be doing 40, but even then, it might not save the kid.

Lastly, one thing I would love to rant about, how come the parents are dumb enough to let their kid roam around the streets when they should be supervised (isn't this a law anyway?). Everytime i see some kid getting killed, it's sad, but at the same time, you can see it in the parent's face, they didn't do a good job educating, supervising their kid.

[telman]

And finally for me, my car struggles at 110+, even though its a 1996 Vibe(always has struggled). It can do 130 or so but my gas consumption goes thru the roof. I usually do 100-110 in the right lane. But it say it again, tailgating is stupid, illegal and dangerous. Over and out

[PsioniC]

No one is disputing the fact you could be doing 50 in a 40 safely...

...as long as no kid runs out in front of your vehicle with no warning. All the air bags in the world won't help him. A slower speed might.

If I'm going to hit the kid going 50 then I'm going to hit the kid going 40. The difference in stopping distance between those two speeds is so minimal.

[PsioniC]

"That isnt even raising the issue that I'm in my early 20's"

Ah youth, when you know everything, as opposed to age when you realize you knew jack. I was a professional driver for 20 years and seen many changes, but I didn't realize people don't get injured in car accidents due to airbags. A car screaming down the road at 120+ makes a much bigger impact than one at 100. Cars maybe superior to yesterdays cars but there is many more on the road, and the condition of the roads is another factor, distractions are reasons for the current speed limits.

Really? I'd wager that a car going head on into a brick wall or another car at 100kmph and 120kmph would be pretty much identical. And this entire time I've been advocating speeding when its appropriate i.e. when there arent a lot of other cars around and road conditions are good. I brought up my age because I'm probably just now enter the prime of my physical and mental functions (in terms of reaction time and reflexes)

[PsioniC]

you are correct to a certain degree. Going slower might save the kid, at the same time, it is may be 50 in the 40 might also save the kid as you were travelling faster, etc. Basically, if the driver was fully aware about his/her surroundings, driving conditions, visibility etc, I can assure you, it can be done safely. However, if anyone of the condition is lacking, he should be doing 40, but even then, it might not save the kid.

Lastly, one thing I would love to rant about, how come the parents are dumb enough to let their kid roam around the streets when they should be supervised (isn't this a law anyway?). Everytime i see some kid getting killed, it's sad, but at the same time, you can see it in the parent's face, they didn't do a good job educating, supervising their kid.

Whoa, Whoa, slow down there buddy. You can't hold parents accountable for looking after their children. This is a country founded on being as lazy as possible when it comes to looking after your children. That's why we pad and round every god damn sharp corner in the world.

[brownie17]

on a small side note:

instead of tailing and highbeaming, does anyone ever use the left-signal to indicate that someone in front of you should get out of your way? it's an argument my brother and I have had. He believes this is the less in-your-face option (implying "if there was a lane to my left, i'd be in it overtaking you, but there isn't, so MOVE")....i believe that may be so, but it's not common, and ppl'll just think u'r the idiot who forgot to turn your blinker off.

does anyone agree with his theory?