Ryerson Business Program is coming up fast

[Treylakes]

With the new Ted Rogers School of Management Facility and increased Corporate ties ..Ryerson is pushing hard to be a contender. Enrollment to Ryerson's Business Management program is at all time high with tougher competition.

[Octavius]

With the new Ted Rogers School of Management Facility and increased Corporate ties ..Ryerson is pushing hard to be a contender. Enrollment to Ryerson's Business Management program is at all time high with tougher competition.

You sound like an advertisement for Ryerson's Business Program.

[Time_Keeper]

You sound like an advertisement for Ryerson's Business Program.

Probably had no one apply, so they've started early for '09 admission.

[spades]

Definetely, Ryerson is loved more and more by employers everyday. Its a great advantage.

[thephenom]

Great to hear, but reputation will take time to build up before it's truly recognized. It took Rotman a few years to rebuild their MBA reputation when they were beat out for many years by other grad schools.

[7jai]

For some reason, I still feel that Ryerson is the type of university that gets attended as a "last resort", rather than getting picked as a personal top-choice.

I recall my university days where I would apply for alot of universities (including Ryerson) and waited for my UT/UW/Queen's acceptances. I knew that if I didn't get chosen in those, I would resort to whatever is best on the list.

[VmanAK47]

This years cut off was an 80 average so in about 2-4 years it should be up to mid 80s with ufts commerce. Well this is for business management at least.

[7jai]

This years cut off was an 80 average so in about 2-4 years it should be up to mid 80s with ufts commerce. Well this is for business management at least.

I would think that this is because the UT competition is getting much harder, symbolizing that even a mid 80 average won't allow you to get into the top tier universities. I would say that this has direct impact on why Ryerson's admission average has been steadily going up.

[Sheek]

yeah, heard that high school is doing well nowadays

[DeltasInTheSky]

This years cut off was an 80 average so in about 2-4 years it should be up to mid 80s with ufts commerce. Well this is for business management at least.

Yeah, but don't you think there's a bigger issue behind it? Such as GRADE INFLATION, if you need a mid-80 to get into Ryerson...you'll need a 90 for UofT Commerce then. Then again, UofT will just list it as a mid-80 to give everyone false hope...as they always do.

[Rishi]

Yeah, but don't you think there's a bigger issue behind it? Such as GRADE INFLATION, if you need a mid-80 to get into Ryerson...you'll need a 90 for UofT Commerce then. Then again, UofT will just list it as a mid-80 to give everyone false hope...as they always do.
If you read about UT's Toward 2030 planning initiative, you'll see that they are trying to move toward being a more "elite" university and actually decrease undergrad enrollment in arts&sci over the next few decades (while increasing enrollment in professional programs which give the university more $$$). There it is little room for physical expansion on the core St. George campus and UT has far higher student-to-faculty ratios compared to other Ontario universities. A push toward limiting undergrad enrollment will naturally increase cutoffs. With UT moving in this direction, someone will have to absorb the leftovers.

[adehbone]

Rotrman's commerce program is in year 1 of the restructuring as well no, since it gotten its butt kicked over the last 5 years. As Schulich's rise to the top, has made the main target for most buyside firms now over UTSG. Ivey also moved to take more transfer I hear over the last 3 years, since they were losing out alot of top students to again Schulich and Queens because of the 'AEO' style. UTSC has created conferences and advertised alot more now, I remember back when I was in grade 12, no one knew where UTSC even was or what it was. WLU, Queen's and Atkinson haven't been sitting idle either.

Basically its not like Ryerson's competitors are standing still, the undergrad business environment is always improving and changing.

[Rishi]

Rotrman's commerce program is in year 1 of the restructuring as well no, since it gotten its butt kicked over the last 5 years. As Schulich's rise to the top, has made the main target for most buyside firms now over UTSG. Ivey also moved to take more transfer I hear over the last 3 years, since they were losing out alot of top students to again Schulich and Queens because of the 'AEO' style. UTSC has created conferences and advertised alot more now, I remember back when I was in grade 12, no one knew where UTSC even was or what it was. WLU, Queen's and Atkinson haven't been sitting idle either.

Basically its not like Ryerson's competitors are standing still, the undergrad business environment is always improving and changing.
From what I've seen of UTSC management co-op (my brother will be graduating from it in '09), it is an excellent program and with the number of unemployed BBA grads I meet co-op seems very valuable. He actually received an unsolicited job offer from a major telecom firm through a mock interview in first-year (typically you don't do your first co-op term until you've done three semesters) and has now has two standing job offers at $60-70k salary upon graduation as well as 16 months of solid work experience. All that snowballed from that one job opportunity which he got through the co-op program.

As for Rotman, from what I understand they are a more research-focused school so they are weaker in undergrad studies than their ranking would suggest.

[gilboman]

With the new Ted Rogers School of Management Facility and increased Corporate ties ..Ryerson is pushing hard to be a contender. Enrollment to Ryerson's Business Management program is at all time high with tougher competition.

well in the GTA, for those who can't get into York or UT's, there's only rye high left.

[Rishi]

well in the GTA, for those who can't get into York or UT's, there's only rye high left.
I work at Yonge & Dundas and every time I walk into the Eaton Centre on the southwest corner I chuckle when I see the sign that says "Ryerson University & Best Buy straight ahead." Sharing a building with Best Buy and Canadian Tire is not the way to get your school's prestige factor up.

[gilboman]

I work at Yonge & Dundas and every time I walk into the Eaton Centre on the southwest corner I chuckle when I see the sign that says "Ryerson University & Best Buy straight ahead." Sharing a building with Best Buy and Canadian Tire is not the way to get your school's prestige factor up.

rye high do have decent programs. but just look at the campus. i went to rye high for grad school and its one of the most depressing campuses inside and out that i've seen in a uni.
:lol:

but rye high is a very good alternative to college if you can't get into UT and dont like york or couldnt get into there as well.

[7jai]

One thing I did notice is that Ryerson's BComm Finance students all have a rough time trying to find employment; compared to alot of other students from UT/York/Laurier/UW etc... I have a few frds who graduated from there with that subject focus, and they all ended up working for high 30K salaries and are all trying to get their CFA designation as fast as they can (in hopes to get out of this low salary range).

On the other hand, where I find Ryerson to shine in, is its journalism side. I wonder if this is the same for it's Master public policy programs. I doubt I can get into UT's public policy program, but Ryerson's does seem very attractive (being a part-time degree and all)

[flexwong]

it has the name "rogers" on it. that means it will be ridiculously expensive and falls short on many aspects compared to competitors. oh and admissions reps will all contradict with each other and you will notice many billing errors when you need to pay your tuition. :D

[DeimosBeros]

well in the GTA, for those who can't get into York or UT's, there's only rye high left.

LMAO. Who can't get into York or UoT?

[DeltasInTheSky]

LMAO. Who can't get into York or UoT?

I don't think, he's talking York Undeclared Arts or UofT Humanities. I'm certain he's talking about Schulich (90% cut-off) and UofT Commerce(85%+++ cut-off).

[Rishi]

it has the name "rogers" on it. that means it will be ridiculously expensive and falls short on many aspects compared to competitors. oh and admissions reps will all contradict with each other and you will notice many billing errors when you need to pay your tuition. :D
LMFAO! Rogers billing practices are truly ridiculous.

[VmanAK47]

I'm going to ryerson for bcomm business management.. so hearing about how its hard to get a good job off of ryerson would you recommend transferring after year one? I thought where you go for undergrad didn't matter as much... I'm sure I can get the marks to transfer to utsc or other schools.

[mr_sandman]

I just finished Ryerson's Business Management program in Accounting and well here's my take:
- the business building is very nice inside, the lecture rooms are on par or above with what I've seen from UTSC, York, McMaster. But there a few things that absolutely piss me off about the building, there's giant space wastage and there is no "study rooms".
- yes it is very very lame to be above a Canadian Tire & Best Buy, but once you get inside the building you kinda forget about it.
- the finance program is very weak IMO, there were barely any recruiters for the finance majors from what I've heard.
- accounting program is up there with other universities, the big 4 and large mid size firms do recruit heavily from the university. The program is getting smaller mid size and local firms to recruit.
- it is a competitive program, especially accounting, as there are a lot of college grads, people who got kicked/transferred out of other universities and people who are doing a second degree coming to Ryerson, competiting with those who came straight from high school.
- the rising cut offs for high school students is understandable, with the new brand recognition and I'm assuming reputation, Ryerson is probably the third best option for a biz program in the GTA (behind Schulich & UofT).

[206bw]

there are only 3 universities in the GTA:P

from what I've heard, there are only like... 5 people who got into a Big4 last year, while UTSC alone pumped in multiples amount of students compared to ry high

[VmanAK47]

Anything positive anyone has to say about ryerson business? lol......no jokes im serious I havn't heard one positive thing besides 1 comment.

[alv077]

there are only 3 universities in the GTA:P

from what I've heard, there are only like... 5 people who got into a Big4 last year, while UTSC alone pumped in multiples amount of students compared to ry high

Heard roughly the same thing from a big 4 recruiter... but take out utsc and toss in loo

[nivek_x]

there are only 3 universities in the GTA:P

from what I've heard, there are only like... 5 people who got into a Big4 last year, while UTSC alone pumped in multiples amount of students compared to ry high

I have no idea where you got that information, but there are 31 students got offered for full time this fall from the big 4 + the mid 2, and about 5 students got summer internship in the big 4 this summer. I've got my info directly from the business career program in Ryerson, that helps students and employers do recruitment. I also know of who are the 4 of the 5 students that got summer internship...

[firefox390]

It's true that the Business Management program does suck in comparison to York, UofT, Queen's and Western.

I found that the only way any student can succeed in Ryerson Commerce is to work really freakin hard and stand out of the crowd.

BUT the same goes for other schools. I happen to know a few that get excited that they were accepted into Accounting program at Schulich and then work for sub-standard companies after graduation.

The truth of the matter is that Queen's or Schulich has a greater # of students that work for the Big4 because (unlike Ryerson) they've got students that are exceptionally hard working and doesn't take the name of their school for granted.

Ryerson just happens to have groom a bunch of lazy punks. Unless, they start to ante up that cut-off mark then they've got no future.

[ACC-Major]

Ya Ryerson's Business program is getting a little hot these days. Admission standards are getting higher.

Seriously, do you guys really willing to pay 10k a year to go UofT Commerce? or rather spend half of the price and go Ryerson Commerce? You should see how hard people study in UofT, it's hard to get high marks there. Would you rather be a big fish in the pond (Ryerson) or a big fish in the ocean (UofT)? WHich one stands out more?

[ftaforums24]

guys get the hell out of gta and come to study @ mcgill.

thats where im at and bcomm is amazing here.
and talk about the perks of being in mtl :)

[angiechau]

Not trying to bash Ryerson or anything but here is what I see.

I'm currently on coop term @ PwC audit. I see lots of UTSCs & Waterloo coops, Schulich interns ects, some UTSG and UTM interns. But I have yet to hear/see a single person from Ryerson whether it is coop/interns/full time (maybe it is just my department/area).

Again I am just stating what I've seen so far.

[Code of Conduct]

I have no idea where you got that information, but there are 31 students got offered for full time this fall from the big 4 + the mid 2, and about 5 students got summer internship in the big 4 this summer. I've got my info directly from the business career program in Ryerson, that helps students and employers do recruitment. I also know of who are the 4 of the 5 students that got summer internship...

12 of my friends got an internship at the big 4 this summer (out of the 40 or more from my school)....5 isn't that big of a number.

[ArcLyte]

I'd have to say that what everyone is observing right now in Ryerson business is the beginnings of a good business school. Obviously right now the number of spots for ryerson grads at big firms are going to be less compared to other established business school so you can't really fault them for that.

I just personally graduated from the accounting program at ryerson and I'd have to say I should have done it at york (not schulich obviosuly). A lot of ryerson students take the more difficult accounting courses such as tax and intermediate accounting at York atkinsons in the summer because our school has some pretty demanding professors and ******** policies for these particular courses that they are changing just now lol.

In terms of the new business building, you do realize that the land that its on is owned by cadillac fairview right? Obviously they are not going to give up that prime piece of real estate without some concessions for their own interests (insert cdn tire and best buy).

In terms of the actual building design, I kinda like it now as opposed to being against it earlier. I remember previously talking to a prof and how ppl were complaining about the wasted space in the middle and he mentioned something along the lines of feng shui was considered in the architecture. Apparently (not entirely sure if its true) the reason why there is a zen/rock garden in the middle is to promote harmony and peace while the purpose of the whole ring structure is to allow aspiring students to always be able to look up towards the sky; to remind them that their future is limitless. If you think of the thought that was put into this, I'm sure you'd appreciate it a bit more. Perosnally, I like having natural sunlight while walking around the building, makes things seem less gloomy in the school grind.

Ryerson is a school that is rapidly expanding and trying to improve itself. Is it an up and coming business school that will compete with the likes of schulich, rotman, and ivey? Only time will tell as I'm sure the business faculty has a lot of plans ahead for the program. I'm sure that in 3-5 years the entire program will be looked upon with a different light.

[Rishi]

Ryerson is a school that is rapidly expanding and trying to improve itself. Is it an up and coming business school that will compete with the likes of schulich, rotman, and ivey? Only time will tell as I'm sure the business faculty has a lot of plans ahead for the program. I'm sure that in 3-5 years the entire program will be looked upon with a different light.
The trouble is that the GTA already has two elite business schools - there isn't a lot of room for a third. If Ryerson cutoffs become equal to UT/York cutoffs, a lot of people are going to get left out in the cold to go to Guelph, Brock, Nipissing, etc.

[Code of Conduct]

I'd have to say that what everyone is observing right now in Ryerson business is the beginnings of a good business school. Obviously right now the number of spots for ryerson grads at big firms are going to be less compared to other established business school so you can't really fault them for that.

I just personally graduated from the accounting program at ryerson and I'd have to say I should have done it at york (not schulich obviosuly). A lot of ryerson students take the more difficult accounting courses such as tax and intermediate accounting there in the summer because our school has some pretty demanding professors and ******** policies for these particular courses that they are changing just now lol.

In terms of the new business building, you do realize that the land that its on is owned by cadillac fairview right? Obviously they are not going to give up that prime piece of real estate without some concessions for their own interests (insert cdn tire and best buy).

In terms of the actual building design, I kinda like it now as opposed to being against it earlier. I remember previously talking to a prof and how ppl were complaining about the wasted space in the middle and he mentioned something along the lines of feng shui was considered in the architecture. Apparently (not entirely sure if its true) the reason why there is a zen/rock garden in the middle is to promote harmony and peace while the purpose of the whole ring structure is to allow aspiring students to always be able to look up towards the sky; to remind them that their future is limitless. If you think of the thought that was put into this, I'm sure you'd appreciate it a bit more. Perosnally, I like having natural sunlight while walking around the building, makes things seem less gloomy in the school grind.

Ryerson is a school that is rapidly expanding and trying to improve itself. Is it an up and coming business school that will compete with the likes of schulich, rotman, and ivey? Only time will tell as I'm sure the business faculty has a lot of plans ahead for the program. I'm sure that in 3-5 years the entire program will be looked upon with a different light.

I like the new business building (went in a few weeks back for the first time). Only thing is I find it disorienting because on the outside it looks very similar to one of the buildings here at York =). I think it's the same architecture company.

[ArcLyte]

I don't think that necessarily true, there's always more room for better business schools! At one point in time there was just rotman, then ivey, then schulich so who says there's a limiting factor in good business schools developing? IF Ted Rogers school of management becomes one of them, I'm sure they will do just like other schools have done, have their flagship business school and then just the regular bcomm too for others who don't get into the flagship business program. I think there's room for a business school like ryerson since all other business school are starting to/already have dramatically increase their tuition. So it depends on what you're looking for? Strictly alumni connections? Quality of learning atmosphere? I'm sure if you are a smart, hard working individual who excels in both the academic and social environment you will succeed ANYWHERE!

[mr_sandman]

there are only 3 universities in the GTA:P

from what I've heard, there are only like... 5 people who got into a Big4 last year, while UTSC alone pumped in multiples amount of students compared to ry high

well I consider Ryerson Business Management program to be far superior to York's Atkinson and UOIT, not just in terms of quality of education but also recruiters.

and I can assure you there were far more than 5 people getting hired by the big 4 from Ryerson. It was definately more than 10, possibly 15+. Also a point, there were number of students who got into large Canadian public companies as well. Some that recruit from Ryerson were Canadian Tire, Siemens, Imperial Oil, RIM, Royal Bank, etc.

[Rishi]

well I consider Ryerson Business Management program to be far superior to York's Atkinson and UOIT, not just in terms of quality of education but also recruiters.

and I can assure you there were far more than 5 people getting hired by the big 4 from Ryerson. It was definately more than 10, possibly 15+. Also a point, there were number of students who got into large Canadian public companies as well. Some that recruit from Ryerson were Canadian Tire, Siemens, Imperial Oil, RIM, Royal Bank, etc.
Beating UOIT is like winning the Special Olympics.

[angiechau]

well I consider Ryerson Business Management program to be far superior to York's Atkinson and UOIT, not just in terms of quality of education but also recruiters.

and I can assure you there were far more than 5 people getting hired by the big 4 from Ryerson. It was definately more than 10, possibly 15+. Also a point, there were number of students who got into large Canadian public companies as well. Some that recruit from Ryerson were Canadian Tire, Siemens, Imperial Oil, RIM, Royal Bank, etc.

I personally view Atkinson and Ryerson in the same level, and UOIT is not in the GTA.

Also Ryerson has the largest undergrad business school in Canada (in terms of number of students), where as UTSC is.. well.. quite tiny.

[asdisme]

Oh man... reading this thread is making me feel bad for switching to Ryerson from York's Atkinson program....>:(

[DeltasInTheSky]

Oh man... reading this thread is making me feel bad for switching to Ryerson from York's Atkinson program....>:(

Lateral move though.

[dex126]

Oh man... reading this thread is making me feel bad for switching to Ryerson from York's Atkinson program....>:(

LOL believe me it's not a bad switch.

I'm currently at Ryerson for IT Managmenet (co-op option) and I'm just finishing up my 6th co-op term. Ryerson has been great in providing real-world experience which is what employers are actually looking for when selecting candidates.

In the eyes of many employers they'd much rather a hire a Ryerson grad with 2 years of real work experience and great marks rather than a UT student who volunteered as tutor and had decent to high marks. Unless you are choosing a school to attend for graduate studies, Ryerson is just as good as the others if not better (depending on the program). At my previous co-op placements I'd usually look over the resumes of the next student to fill my position. The majority of students from UT, Western might have had great marks but no real work experience. On the other hand Ryerson and Waterloo students submitted resumes which outline REAL experience and were therefore much more likely to get an interview.

Think about it this way, if you decide you want your MBA later, the selection criteria will NEVER be based on the school you attained your undegrad degree. Rather, it will be based primarily on your GPA (easier to attain a higher GPA at Ryerson), GMAT (your own merit), and letters of recommendation (if it is a direct entry program, letters from pervious co-op employers will be of more value than from professors who don't even know you)

All in all in, everyone needs to realize that Ryerson is NOT a bad school.

[adehbone]

Using the big4 as a measuring stick for undergraduate business school reputation really makes no sense. The big4 is not near as competitive as some other companies and careers, they recruit everywhere, they take in a ton of students and weed them out overtime, turnover is crazy high.

As well the big4 have offices all across Ontario, so again the above poster, may have no Ryerson students in their office.

The areas which I think Ryerson really lacks are both Marketing and Finance. Consulting I think they are totally non-existent. Till they get exposure in those areas, I doubt admission cut-offs will keep going up.

[tebore]

Hmm I wonder once you get in and get like a 90 then threaten to go to another uni if they'll knock off a few grand off your tuition and throw in free res and meal plan.:lol:

It's not that Ryerson is a good place it's a dump. Moving from Atkinson to Ryerson is like moving from a waste disposal unit to a dumpster. Same crap different name. Schulich is another story.

Hmm be the king of bums(Rye) or a lowly bum(UT)?

[zoltorg]

FTA

MCGILL B.COM FTW

Here, out of 120 accounting students, I'd say 90+ get internships.

10-15 at Ryerson, enough said.

[VmanAK47]

Why are you guys such asses towards ryerson? I'm sure it doesn't matter where you go in terms of undergrad as long as you do well. Does this mean I should just transfer out of ryerson after first year? Its really annoying what I'm reading.>:(

[dex126]

Why are you guys such asses towards ryerson? I'm sure it doesn't matter where you go in terms of undergrad as long as you do well. Does this mean I should just transfer out of ryerson after first year? Its really annoying what I'm reading.>:(

Exactly, so stop second guessing yourself. What do you plan to major in?

[blarg]

Hmm I wonder once you get in and get like a 90 then threaten to go to another uni if they'll knock off a few grand off your tuition and throw in free res and meal plan.:lol:

It's not that Ryerson is a good place it's a dump. Moving from Atkinson to Ryerson is like moving from a waste disposal unit to a dumpster. Same crap different name. Schulich is another story.

Hmm be the king of bums(Rye) or a lowly bum(UT)?

Hey! It's a Trash Co Waste Disposal Unit, jeeze, get it right.

And well Ryerson's not so bad...well except for the students, oh and the professors, and the administration, and the facilities....oh especially the bathrooms, how can a building as new as the business building not have auto flush urinals? I mean WTF...well the point is Ryerson's not so bad minus those excepti....hey wait a second yes it is! Ryerson is a dump and I hate myself

[dex126]

Hey! It's a Trash Co Waste Disposal Unit, jeeze, get it right.

And well Ryerson's not so bad...well except for the students, oh and the professors, and the administration, and the facilities....oh especially the bathrooms, how can a building as new as the business building not have auto flush urinals? I mean WTF...well the point is Ryerson's not so bad minus those excepti....hey wait a second yes it is! Ryerson is a dump and I hate myself

Very intelligent comments. Let me guess you go to UT?

[tebore]

Hey! It's a Trash Co Waste Disposal Unit, jeeze, get it right.

And well Ryerson's not so bad...well except for the students, oh and the professors, and the administration, and the facilities....oh especially the bathrooms, how can a building as new as the business building not have auto flush urinals? I mean WTF...well the point is Ryerson's not so bad minus those excepti....hey wait a second yes it is! Ryerson is a dump and I hate myself

Don't forget the lack of dividers between the urinals. How's an asian man supposed to relieve himself next to a big bla...

[Rishi]

Hey! It's a Trash Co Waste Disposal Unit, jeeze, get it right.

And well Ryerson's not so bad...well except for the students, oh and the professors, and the administration, and the facilities....oh especially the bathrooms, how can a building as new as the business building not have auto flush urinals? I mean WTF...well the point is Ryerson's not so bad minus those excepti....hey wait a second yes it is! Ryerson is a dump and I hate myself
Gimme a break, every school has some dumpy buildings. Try going to class in UT's Mining Building.

[DeltasInTheSky]

Gimme a break, every school has some dumpy buildings. Try going to class in UT's Mining Building.

SF washrooms, dear god. The scent of dried up piss lingers in the air, despite the UofT custodial staff cleaning the bathrooms, everyday...apparently.

[blarg]

Gimme a break, every school has some dumpy buildings. Try going to class in UT's Mining Building.

I did and I loved the mining building....with that room with all the vandalism ?T? everywhere all over the desks and the icy steps during the winter where a certain professor may fall down....those are the mining building's charms

Very intelligent comments. Let me guess you go to UT?

not anymore, I go to ryerson now, why else do you think I'm so bitter? :cheesygri

[tebore]

Gimme a break, every school has some dumpy buildings. Try going to class in UT's Mining Building.

The mining building was built over 50 years ago.

The newest business building at rye has terrible washrooms.

[Rishi]

The mining building was built over 50 years ago.

The newest business building at rye has terrible washrooms.
Why can't you just use Best Buy's washrooms then? :cheesygri

[blarg]

The mining building was built over 50 years ago.

The newest business building at rye has terrible washrooms.

Not to mention the homeless people that somehow get in there and ask me for change while I'm trying to take a dump.

[VmanAK47]

Exactly, so stop second guessing yourself. What do you plan to major in?

Accounting or management.. marketing being my third option if it appeals to me more.

[dex126]

Accounting or management.. marketing being my third option if it appeals to me more.

Cool goodluck! I'd definitely recommend applying to some co-ops/developmental positions if you aren't in a co-op program after you've completed about 2 years.

I worked at Ontario Power Generation for 8 months with another Ryerson student doing accounting and he was offered a full-time position at OPG during his term. Not to mention the co-op/developmental students at OPG,Hydro One,Exxon make between $23/hr-$29/hr.

[VmanAK47]

Cool goodluck! I'd definitely recommend applying to some co-ops/developmental positions if you aren't in a co-op program after you've completed about 2 years.

I worked at Ontario Power Generation for 8 months with another Ryerson student doing accounting and he was offered a full-time position at OPG during his term. Not to mention the co-op/developmental students at OPG,Hydro One,Exxon make between $23/hr-$29/hr.

Good to hear man some positive feedback on ryerson. What school are you from?

[tebore]

SF washrooms, dear god. The scent of dried up piss lingers in the air, despite the UofT custodial staff cleaning the bathrooms, everyday...apparently.

The smell you're smelling isn't the washroom it's the eng-scis and ECEs.

[geronimo]

That's nice, I'm happy for Ryerson, but it will take time for its reputation to rise.

[dex126]

Good to hear man some positive feedback on ryerson. What school are you from?

Ryerson of course :)

Honestly, no matter which school you go to, as long as you take it seriously and gain some work experience along the way you'll be in great shape by the time you're ready to start your career!

Also, try to mix in with others that want to do well (not necessarily nerds) as it will make group work a breeze in the later years!

[dre145]

undergrad doesnt really matter at all
Your degree doesnt matter after your first job either...
Get over your self.

the community and school spirit sucks at ryerson tho no question.
But Ryerson has some top notch programs and they have been investing millions in the the school recently.

[RedD1]

I think you really cant say that ry's busness program is getting more reputation because of the grades cut offs going up, because all business grades are going up. And all the schools are using this to say it is showing the programs have more reputation. It is really just grade inflation. I went to alot of lower quality business schools like brock and windsor and they all said that they are gaining reputation because their cut offs are going up. its just because there is an increase in business undergradeuates.

[alv077]

I have no idea where you got that information, but there are 31 students got offered for full time this fall from the big 4 + the mid 2, and about 5 students got summer internship in the big 4 this summer. I've got my info directly from the business career program in Ryerson, that helps students and employers do recruitment. I also know of who are the 4 of the 5 students that got summer internship...

Like I said before, I talked to a recruiter at a Big 4 firm who proudly boasted that they were hiring tons of co-ops despite the economy. When pressed for numbers, she told me, 60... for all of Canada. After, she broke it down a bit more - UW definitely gets the most seats... but that is because we have the most CA-bound students. No kidding, the recruiter mentioned UW/Schulich/Ivey/Queens/UTSC and left 5 spaces and said something to the extent of, "and people from the other schools usually fill those in"

As well the big4 have offices all across Ontario, so again the above poster, may have no Ryerson students in their office.

I thought a lot of the Big4 offices in Ontario do not do co-ops? Not exactly sure but I've been hearing that

[dex126]

undergrad doesnt really matter at all
Your degree doesnt matter after your first job either...
Get over your self.

the community and school spirit sucks at ryerson tho no question.
But Ryerson has some top notch programs and they have been investing millions in the the school recently.

Amen to that!

[Shimso]

Ryerson's Business Management program isn't a Tier 1 like Ivey, Queens, etc., but some of you guys make it seem like a degree from Ryerson means you'll be bound to working at McDonalds...


I do think it is improving, and I don't see why someone who works hard won't do well. And as said earlier, once you're out in the workplace the first job is usually more important than you're choice of undergraduate school.

[by-cy]

People love to be haters and boost about how great their programs are, how hard it is to get into, etc. etc. to make themselves feel better.

Ryerson Business is getting noticed that is a fact, guaranteed. For at least undergrad, can we stand up to the prestige programs offered at UW, York and Queens, noo.. I can clearly say no. But if you get into just an average business program at York or I would even say.. UofT business, then you really aren't any different than Ryerson. And with Ryerson rising fast, why not try it? Cause in the case of York, UofT and Ryerson, they're all commuter schools. So campus life sucks.

But Ryerson, as much as people like to diss it up is fine. We're finding good jobs and even scaring some people (especially, people from UofT) when we beat them. But in all honesty, as mentioned before... it's just undergrad, that gets overlooked after your first or second job. It then comes down to YOU. Not your school, your marks, but what YOU bring to the table. Cause rep, marks, etc isn't gonna perform, it's your willingness to work hard, put in the hours and show that you are worth their time and efforts; that you are an asset to their company.

[asdisme]

People love to be haters and boost about how great their programs are, how hard it is to get into, etc. etc. to make themselves feel better.

Ryerson Business is getting noticed that is a fact, guaranteed. For at least undergrad, can we stand up to the prestige programs offered at UW, York and Queens, noo.. I can clearly say no. But if you get into just an average business program at York or I would even say.. UofT business, then you really aren't any different than Ryerson. And with Ryerson rising fast, why not try it? Cause in the case of York, UofT and Ryerson, they're all commuter schools. So campus life sucks.

But Ryerson, as much as people like to diss it up is fine. We're finding good jobs and even scaring some people (especially, people from UofT) when we beat them. But in all honesty, as mentioned before... it's just undergrad, that gets overlooked after your first or second job. It then comes down to YOU. Not your school, your marks, but what YOU bring to the table. Cause rep, marks, etc isn't gonna perform, it's your willingness to work hard, put in the hours and show that you are worth their time and efforts; that you are an asset to their company.

Well said, +10

[DeltasInTheSky]

People love to be haters and boost about how great their programs are, how hard it is to get into, etc. etc. to make themselves feel better.

Ryerson Business is getting noticed that is a fact, guaranteed. For at least undergrad, can we stand up to the prestige programs offered at UW, York and Queens, noo.. I can clearly say no. But if you get into just an average business program at York or I would even say.. UofT business, then you really aren't any different than Ryerson. And with Ryerson rising fast, why not try it? Cause in the case of York, UofT and Ryerson, they're all commuter schools. So campus life sucks.

But Ryerson, as much as people like to diss it up is fine. We're finding good jobs and even scaring some people (especially, people from UofT) when we beat them. But in all honesty, as mentioned before... it's just undergrad, that gets overlooked after your first or second job. It then comes down to YOU. Not your school, your marks, but what YOU bring to the table. Cause rep, marks, etc isn't gonna perform, it's your willingness to work hard, put in the hours and show that you are worth their time and efforts; that you are an asset to their company.
1) No, I think that UTSC BBA and Rotman Commerce are far superior than Ryerson Business. UTM Commerce, I don't know really - I'd say they're on par then.
2) Why not try it? Yes, rack up, what, maybe 20-30k in debt to experiment with a supposedly up and coming business school. It's only four years of your life and $30k that you're experimenting with, right?
3) I think the first few jobs you have really shape up your career. I'm talking after graduation, of course.
4) How do you show that to them? They don't come to recruit at the Ted Rogers School of Management, do they?. And the real life is not like 'the Pursuit of Happyness' mmkay? So don't think all that crap actually exists in the real world. I think a lot of my friends who are in wishy-washy B-schools (Brock, Ryerson, UTM) use that mind-set to rationalize their choice.

[dre145]

1) No, I think that UTSC BBA and Rotman Commerce are far superior than Ryerson Business. UTM Commerce, I don't know really - I'd say they're on par then.
2) Why not try it? Yes, rack up, what, maybe 20-30k in debt to experiment with a supposedly up and coming business school. It's only four years of your life and $30k that you're experimenting with, right?
3) I think the first few jobs you have really shape up your career. I'm talking after graduation, of course.
4) How do you show that to them? They don't come to recruit at the Ted Rogers School of Management, do they?. And the real life is not like 'the Pursuit of Happyness' mmkay? So don't think all that crap actually exists in the real world. I think a lot of my friends who are in wishy-washy B-schools (Brock, Ryerson, UTM) use that mind-set to rationalize their choice.

LOL
quite the contrary, I know a lot of friends that go to UofT and think they are guaranteed a great job just because they went to UofT. While they do nothing else to get ahead of the game. They think it will just fall into their lap.

Connections and networking will get you much further then a university name.
But anyways this is a stupid discussion.

[Devo]

Its funny how I hear ppl saying Ryerson sucks and that school is way better by saying "I know blah blah were hired from...and none from...." Its all Bias

Even for York's business students or students from Oxford, doesn't mean they are the BEST !!!
For example, in Asia (Hong Kong), one of the well known bank (also in Canada) HSBC hired students from York top Business Program...Guess what they do with their intelligent brain? They had screwed the whole bank system which caused a temporary stoppage (1 day) for all ATM machines LAMO!!! So should I say YORK is the worst?
Different students study differently. You might study better in Bottom schools than top schools~

Dont you know what Business meant nowadays? Its mean WORLD WIDE-> China
Who care how many UofT or York or Ryerson were hired in Toronto! If you want to count by that, plz count as globally!!!!
For those who study history will probably understand that there are never sth call "THE FOREVER BEST", there is always an end for the Best, which means there will be new one for the Best!
Why deny all the credits for what Ryerson establish todays?

Besides, the degree we are related is not even a Master Degree!!! Wherever you graduated from is just a ticket to enter the REAL WORLD. It does not guarantee you a JOB at all. For companies to hire you, will depend on your personal knowledge and performance during the interview. NOT from where you graduated!

How about this question~ How would you describe the guy with the highest mark in your class? Geek? So should we say UofT has the most Geek in Toronto?

Best school only means hardest to get in. It does not mean you will learn the most from it. I would consider something else more importantly than choosing UofT, York, Ryerson and etc.
1. Communication
2. Society Network

Also I do not know why some ppl are describing UofT, York and etc like the Best in money and recruitment! Its really nth much when it compared to those top universities in US & UK.
Its not all about your first few job that sharper your career in the future, but also experience.
Even if I am graduated in one of the worst university in Canada, and so what?
I am smart enough to go UK and get my MASTER DEGREE in the well known university [they do not accept students from your GPA of Bachelor degree/unlike Canada]
Then I will earn a salary that is 10 times more than what you earn from earning your first degree in the BEST university [wtever you like to call it]. Plus the best firm you worked in "GTA"!

What I try to bring out is that there are always more than 1 route to SUCCESS! Studying in Ryerson or college do no made you different than those in UofT, Waterloo or etc.
What makes you different than others is -> your knowledge, skills, communication, network, insight and etc.

Btw, the world is changing rapidly which means we need to earn more than 1 degree. So who care if your bachelor degree were from a ****** university or college.

[Devo]

1) No, I think that UTSC BBA and Rotman Commerce are far superior than Ryerson Business. UTM Commerce, I don't know really - I'd say they're on par then.
2) Why not try it? Yes, rack up, what, maybe 20-30k in debt to experiment with a supposedly up and coming business school. It's only four years of your life and $30k that you're experimenting with, right?
3) I think the first few jobs you have really shape up your career. I'm talking after graduation, of course.
4) How do you show that to them? They don't come to recruit at the Ted Rogers School of Management, do they?. And the real life is not like 'the Pursuit of Happyness' mmkay? So don't think all that crap actually exists in the real world. I think a lot of my friends who are in wishy-washy B-schools (Brock, Ryerson, UTM) use that mind-set to rationalize their choice.

1)With a mind set [blah is far superior than blah] will only limit your insight->career
2) Pursuit of Happyness does happen in REAL WORLD. My dad used to be a security guard, but with 2 years of efforts he now work for the government-Long term contract. *NOTE- he did not graduated in TOP named university.
3) My cousin graduated in Waterloo's Computer sci, first job -> Seattle's Microsoft Head Office [6 months ago]. Now he's back in Toronto and get a less paid job and not even the top 5 firm in Toronto. So does his first job gives him much advantages?
He tried the Google, and he were interviewed by 5 managers[1 at a time]. He only get called STOP when he reaches his 5th interviews, despite he is from WATERLOO- BEST Computer school in Canada. My cousin meet a girl there as well, she also get denied till her 5th interviews. Guess which school she graduated from?
Oops..Ryerson!



I still remember what one of my professor said in class. " Out of the students I taught in my lifetime so far. The most successful in career was not the student with highest mark, but the smartest in thinking of anyway but not the textbook theories.
He success by 2 things. 1) Apply what he is capable of 2) Know when his luck/chance arrives and grab it tightly"
His student were 1 of the earliest guy who establish VoIP in Canada. All he did is implanting a few devices and then DONE!!

[Code of Conduct]

What I've found in my opinion to be holding Ryerson back is its history as a polytechnical college. Employers who generally went through university during this time still remember or treat Ryerson as a polytechnical college which gives it a bad rap and automatically downgrades the graduates. With that said, the school itself is making great strides in improving itself (a new building is definately a great start).

However, the mentality of the entire school (exceptions always apply) is far different from a more renowed business school in that Ryerson admissions cutoffs are so low relatively. You might ask why do lower admissions cutoffs matter? Bottom line....it lets in idiots and ruins it for the rest of the students.