Scarborough: "Store owner calling it quits," 10 robberies enough.

[Frankie3s]

Just another day in Scarborough...

"The moment the teens swarmed into his shop, Kishore Muthreja knew what was in store for him. Another robbery. The tenth, to be precise."

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/469526

[joeym]

and the other store owned by koreans will be closing, too.
i wonder how many times they got robbed :confused:

[Blunt]

Hey Doofus, that's in Toronto, and not Scarborough.
Scarborough starts at Victoria Park, my friend.

What do you have against Scarborough anyways????

[st7860]

they could have bought that ultrasonic system that was designed for corner stores and so on that emits an annoying noise that only teenagers can hear.

[IBOPM]

Give me some food, and I'll station myself at your store for the low price of $12/hr.

[joeym]

they could have bought that ultrasonic system that was designed for corner stores and so on that emits an annoying noise that only teenagers can hear.

aka playing COPACOBANA by barry manilow?

[IBOPM]

aka playing COPACOBANA by barry manilow?

I loved that song as a teenager.

[st7860]

aka playing COPACOBANA by barry manilow?

i meant this:
http://www.noloitering.ca/

or

http://www.compoundsecurity.co.uk/teenage_control_products.html
The Mosquito™ ultrasonic teenage deterrent is the solution to the eternal problem of unwanted gatherings of youths and teenagers in shopping malls, around shops and anywhere else they are causing problems. The presence of these teenagers discourages genuine shoppers and customers’ from coming into your shop, affecting your turnover and profits. Anti social behavior has become the biggest threat to private property over the last decade and there has been no effective deterrent until now.

Acclaimed by the Police forces of many areas of the United Kingdom, the Mosquito ultrasonic teenage deterrent has been described as “the most effective tool in our fight against anti social behaviour”. Shop keepers around the world have purchased the device to move along unwanted gatherings of teenagers and anti social youths. Railway companies have placed the device to discourage youths from spraying graffiti on their trains and the walls of stations.

With an effective range of between fifteen and twenty meters Compound Security Systems’ field trials have shown that teenagers are acutely aware of the Mosquito and usually move away from the area within an average of 8- 10 minutes. The system is completely harmless even with long term use. The Times newspaper in England reports that the device was first used at a Spar shop in Barry, South Wales, where the owner Robert Gough was enthusiastic about the device's success in driving away the local youths. "Either someone has come along and wiped them off the face of the earth, or it's working" he is quoted as saying. Since then, there have been literally hundreds of successful reports not only from police and local authorities, but also from business owners.

It seems that there is a very real medical phenomenon known as presbycusis or age related hearing loss which, according to The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy, "begins after the age of 20 but is usually significant only in persons over 65". It first affects the highest frequencies (18 to 20 kHz) notably in those who have turned 20 years of age". It is possible to generate a high frequency sound that is audible only to teenagers.

[UrbanPoet]

wow... Scary.... This is actually a descent neighbourhood in the "beaches".

[nano]

this isnt Scarborough.... this is the BEACHES

[thelefteyeguy]

that area of the Beaches is very ghetto

[Blunt]

The OP is like the Scarborough Town Crier, even when it isn't in Scarborough.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=606052 (Called it Scarborough, before he changed the title)
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=558973


Scarborough is so bad... yet, he wants to buy a house in SCARBOROUGH.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400505
(and he wants to sell a house in Scarborugh too).
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502712

The OP is one strange fellow.. :confused:

[Squally425]

Just tell him Scarborough is somewhere in Europe.
He'll probably believe it since the whole world around him appears to be Scarborough. He can buy himself a house there.

I'm sorry all mass murders happened in Scarborough according to you. We must be the town Satan himself resides in, huh?

[IBOPM]

The OP is like the Scarborough Town Crier, even when it isn't in Scarborough.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=606052 (Called it Scarborough, before he changed the title)
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=558973


Scarborough is so bad... yet, he wants to buy a house in SCARBOROUGH.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400505
(and he wants to sell a house in Scarborugh too).
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502712

The OP is one strange fellow.. :confused:

Me thinks he thinks the whole world is Scarborough.

[IBOPM]

Just tell him Scarborough is somewhere in Europe.
He'll probably believe it since the whole world around him appears to be Scarborough. He can buy himself a house there.

I'm sorry all mass murders happened in Scarborough according to you. We must be the town Satan himself resides in, huh?

it is!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=scarborough&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=12&iwloc=addr

[Squally425]

it is!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=scarborough&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=12&iwloc=addr

Wow! Hurray to his new hometown! :-0
:lol:

[h2o-]

The OP is like the Scarborough Town Crier, even when it isn't in Scarborough.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=606052 (Called it Scarborough, before he changed the title)
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=558973


Scarborough is so bad... yet, he wants to buy a house in SCARBOROUGH.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400505
(and he wants to sell a house in Scarborugh too).
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502712

The OP is one strange fellow.. :confused:

He might be confused with one of these Scarborough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough)

[nickinto]

That particular area is not Scarborough.

But at the same time, let's not pretend that Scarborough doesn't have a disproportionate amount of crime... "welcome to the ghetto!"

[branat]

It's Jane-Finch II

[nano]

That particular area is not Scarborough.

But at the same time, let's not pretend that Scarborough doesn't have a disproportionate amount of crime... "welcome to the ghetto!"

Scarborough isn't as bad is the media makes it out to be

[ndrew029]

Scarborough isn't as bad is the media makes it out to be

The media doesn't make Scarborough out to be anything. They are not to blame if certain negative events in Scarborough are newsworthy.

[YnD]

Scarborough isn't as bad is the media makes it out to be

True. But still not safe to be around the streets of Scarborough at night. Especially at STC. Too many thugs looking to rob.

[at1212b]

Seriously, this is where store owners should be able to own guns and legally shoot their assailants. A guy works hard his whole life, and 25,000 goes down the drain.

As for Scarborough, it had a few bad years a couple of years ago before that massive gang raid up at Malvern stopped the retalitary gang action. Other then that, its only been isolated to a few areas (kingston lawrence, Markham Ellesmere, Morningside area)

[dragon_drift]

I feel bad for this dude. Worked hard yet results differed.

[Empz]

Hey OP ... "Why so serious?"

-E

[Tijuana]

Hey Doofus, that's in Toronto, and not Scarborough.
Scarborough starts at Victoria Park, my friend.

What do you have against Scarborough anyways????



Why does it matter? Do the laws change significantly? Does it turn from the OC to Compton? North York, Toronto, Scarborough, Etobicoke are all the same to me.

[dairymandip]

scarborough isn't even bad, north york is far far worst than scarborough

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

Kishore Muthreja

LOL now that's a name I really want to give to my child :o

[Blunt]

Why does it matter? Do the laws change significantly? Does it turn from the OC to Compton? North York, Toronto, Scarborough, Etobicoke are all the same to me.

Exactly, then why does the OP have to call out Scarborough when it isn't even Scarborough at all? This is why the OP is so ridiculous in his 'Oh My,-Scarborough is so bad' agenda.

Read between the lines, the OP is not just highlighting a news article, he's trying to make a point about how bad Scarborough is.
This is even more evident when you look at his previous posts when he incorrectly blames Scarborough for other crimes as well.

[AudiDude]

they could have bought that ultrasonic system that was designed for corner stores and so on that emits an annoying noise that only teenagers can hear.

Which only annoys them so they won't hang around. Plus that they need to stand there for a while before they notice it. I don't think they will hear it while they are yelling "give me your money".

This is the only time (for a brief period) I wish we had guns (legally). Everytime I see a video on TV or the internet where the shop owner pulls out a gun an puts a few in the criminal, I feel good. If anybody dies because they threatened to kill someone and the innocent gets the upper hand and kills that person, I am very happy. They obviously weren't paying taxes like the rest of us and were doing nothing to contribute to society or mankind...

[Roseburger]

Haha... 10 robberies enough? The store owner must be stupid for that much robberies to happen. Let alone for him to keep running his store after couple of robberies...!?! Is he hit in the head?

[Frankie3s]

Just tell him Scarborough is somewhere in Europe.
He'll probably believe it since the whole world around him appears to be Scarborough. He can buy himself a house there.

I'm sorry all mass murders happened in Scarborough according to you. We must be the town Satan himself resides in, huh?

I do have a grudge against Scarborough. It's a dump. Just drive over the bridge on Ellesmere before Kennedy Road and the stench of human waste from the sewer systems wafts in the air. Every single day.

The roads are horrible (try driving along Lawrence Ave sometime). The sad part is that the property tax money that is collected isn't even spent in the area. Miller is smart to take the money and spend it in Toronto where he lives. If the infrastructure improves I might then be inclined to begin to think otherwise.

[KorruptioN]

scarborough isn't even bad, north york is far far worst than scarborough

Get a clue.

"North York" includes areas such as the Bridle Path (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridle_Path), Bayview Village (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayview_Village), and North York Centre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_York_Centre), as much as it includes areas like Jane & Finch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_and_Finch).

Meanwhile, if you went to Port Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Union%2C_Ontario), in Scarborough, you'd feel like you weren't even in Scarborough.

It is people such as yourself who really know nothing about the topic at hand that ruin it for everybody.

[nano]

I do have a grudge against Scarborough. It's a dump. Just drive over the bridge on Ellesmere before Kennedy Road and the stench of human waste from the sewer systems wafts in the air. Every single day.


that isnt sewage there is a recycling plant a block north

[N_Raged]

Apu Nahasapeemapetilon has been robbed countless times and he hasn't given up.

But seriously, gotta feel sorry for the guy. Money aside, the emotional trauma would be straining enough.

[untaka]

a tad off topic but I would be REALLY interested for an honest non-biased map of the GTA and the sections of good and bad.

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

Just another day in Scarborough...

"The moment the teens swarmed into his shop, Kishore Muthreja knew what was in store for him. Another robbery. The tenth, to be precise."

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/469526

Are you running for the Bill O'reilly of RFD award?

[Blunt]

I do have a grudge against Scarborough. It's a dump. Just drive over the bridge on Ellesmere before Kennedy Road and the stench of human waste from the sewer systems wafts in the air. Every single day.

The roads are horrible (try driving along Lawrence Ave sometime). The sad part is that the property tax money that is collected isn't even spent in the area. Miller is smart to take the money and spend it in Toronto where he lives. If the infrastructure improves I might then be inclined to begin to think otherwise.

Well, thanks for making your animosity for Scarborough clear. BTW, did you buy you house yet? :)

[Chr1s]

*shudder* Owning and operating a local variety store isn't what it used to be. With the big box grocery chains, and now gas stations, open 7 days and some even 24 hours, main purchases at the corner store are usually smokes, lotteries, pop and chips.

Now these small stores are being targeted for their expensive smokes and cash. Sad thing is, the store owners don;t even have a huge markup on them, and they risk their lives everyday to sell the damn things, and they can't afford to pay for high security systems to protect themselves. Even when they do have some sort of security camera, and PROOF, the robberies never get solved many times.

So yah, I feel for these families that opreate your local variety store. Just last night in Georgetown, in another grocery store robbery, the son of the owner of the store stepped in and tried to protect his mothers life... he got cut up pretty bad on his hand and may lose the tendons in his tumb.

Police are doing a good job, and there is room for improvement in solving many of these 'corner store' robberies. :(

[Rishi]

I do have a grudge against Scarborough. It's a dump. Just drive over the bridge on Ellesmere before Kennedy Road and the stench of human waste from the sewer systems wafts in the air. Every single day.

The roads are horrible (try driving along Lawrence Ave sometime). The sad part is that the property tax money that is collected isn't even spent in the area. Miller is smart to take the money and spend it in Toronto where he lives. If the infrastructure improves I might then be inclined to begin to think otherwise.
Oh wow, because the area around a recycling plant smells bad a whole section of the city is terrible? I guess I have grudge against downtown because I can smell seagull crap on the lakeshore. Get a clue, roads suck all around the city. Why don't you learn to read a map before you come here to talk smack about something you obviously don't have a clue about.

[IBOPM]

Hey OP ... "Why so serious?"

-E

+1 lol

Haha... 10 robberies enough? The store owner must be stupid for that much robberies to happen. Let alone for him to keep running his store after couple of robberies...!?! Is he hit in the head?

Were you hit in the head?

[George W. Bush]

Makes you wonder - where is the police?

Sure, always AFTER the incident... my impression was that they are there to keep order, calm and protect the people and seek out the criminals...

I tend to be very critical of organizations, institutions that are not doing their job the way they should be and the BS and political correctness that exists and the fakery out there...

http://blogs.technet.com/photos/mkleef/images/435903/600x480.aspx

[KorruptioN]

Sure, always AFTER the incident... my impression was that they are there to keep order, calm and protect the people and seek out the criminals...

Because they can be everywhere, all the time, right?

[15-20_God]

http://blogs.technet.com/photos/mkleef/images/435903/600x480.aspx

last time I checked Boston is a 7 hour drive to "scarborough" where this crime occured. so I would think a 40 minute response time is pretty good.

[imoo2u]

Likely the owner(s) didn't fork out 'protection' monies for his business location. Of course, I don't encourage that kind of protection. BUT what can one do about this sort as police ain't going to monitor 24/7. The 'protector' knows who is who as words do get around the neighbourhood not to 'rob' the place etc including providing the security of the owner(s).

To add, it is only hearsay so please don't flame me as I don't have my own business to take care of.

[Rishi]

Likely the owner(s) didn't fork out 'protection' monies for his business location. Of course, I don't encourage that kind of protection. BUT what can one do about this sort as police ain't going to monitor 24/7. The 'protector' knows who is who as words do get around the neighbourhood not to 'rob' the place etc including providing the security of the owner(s).

To add, it is only hearsay so please don't flame me as I don't have my own business to take care of.
And here I am thinking my taxes are the only protection money I need to pay.

[imoo2u]

And here I am thinking my taxes are the only protection money I need to pay.

You wish and I wish BUT our taxes are for elected officials (:twisted:) to have 'luxuries' that we can't afford like having the police 24/7 security FOC to protect their a$$e$ in case of electors going bonker.

[Rishi]

You wish and I wish BUT our taxes are for elected officials (:twisted:) to have 'luxuries' that we can't afford like having the police 24/7 security FOC to protect their a$$e$ in case of electors going bonker.
I'm always disappointed by the lack of police presence in Toronto. I very rarely see cops just out and about patrolling, as they should be doing to deter crime. I have been living at my current location for 13 years and I have never once seen the police patrolling within 10km. The only time I have ever seen cops is when a friend of mine was T-boned by a police car which was speeding through a red light having only turned it's sirens on after entering the intersection. The police immediately covered the damaged cruiser so you couldn't tell it was a police vehicle and towed it ASAP. You or I would be in deep **** for doing that, too bad we don't have badges.

[Traian2003]

I do have a grudge against Scarborough. It's a dump. Just drive over the bridge on Ellesmere before Kennedy Road and the stench of human waste from the sewer systems wafts in the air. Every single day.

The roads are horrible (try driving along Lawrence Ave sometime). The sad part is that the property tax money that is collected isn't even spent in the area. Miller is smart to take the money and spend it in Toronto where he lives. If the infrastructure improves I might then be inclined to begin to think otherwise.

There are soo many other parts of Toronto that stink and have bad roads... why would you have a grudge against a city. this is the most weird thing ever. Are you serious that every time you pass Vic Park you think you're in a ****** part of town??

[st7860]

I'm always disappointed by the lack of police presence in Toronto. I very rarely see cops just out and about patrolling, as they should be doing to deter crime. I have been living at my current location for 13 years and I have never once seen the police patrolling within 10km. The only time I have ever seen cops is when a friend of mine was T-boned by a police car which was speeding through a red light having only turned it's sirens on after entering the intersection. The police immediately covered the damaged cruiser so you couldn't tell it was a police vehicle and towed it ASAP. You or I would be in deep **** for doing that, too bad we don't have badges.

the oinker probably got to keep his job too.

[KorruptioN]

There are soo many other parts of Toronto that stink and have bad roads... why would you have a grudge against a city. this is the most weird thing ever. Are you serious that every time you pass Vic Park you think you're in a ****** part of town??

What's actually really interesting is, say you're driving west on Eglinton from around Kennedy all the way to Don Mills. As you stay on Eglinton, the environment (the "feel"?) changes. The road surface changes, the way the residential areas look, the types of shops there are, and how people drive. They all change as soon as you go west of Victoria Park and approach the DVP.

[tritium4ever]

Solution: apply the "castle doctrine" to businesses and allow owners to defend themselves.

Chance of that actually happening: zero.

[Peckerwood]

Solution: apply the "castle doctrine" to businesses and allow owners to defend themselves.

Chance of that actually happening: zero.
+1

Aka...BANG

:)

[fattest]

What's actually really interesting is, say you're driving west on Eglinton from around Kennedy all the way to Don Mills. As you stay on Eglinton, the environment (the "feel"?) changes. The road surface changes, the way the residential areas look, the types of shops there are, and how people drive. They all change as soon as you go west of Victoria Park and approach the DVP.

so true. i take the finch bus from tapscott/finch to finch station every morning and i think the same thing. except the road sucks all the way down finch.

[mgronqui]

What a chump. Just kidding. :lol:

[lata008]

*shudder* Owning and operating a local variety store isn't what it used to be. With the big box grocery chains, and now gas stations, open 7 days and some even 24 hours, main purchases at the corner store are usually smokes, lotteries, pop and chips.

Now these small stores are being targeted for their expensive smokes and cash. Sad thing is, the store owners don;t even have a huge markup on them, and they risk their lives everyday to sell the damn things, and they can't afford to pay for high security systems to protect themselves. Even when they do have some sort of security camera, and PROOF, the robberies never get solved many times.

So yah, I feel for these families that opreate your local variety store. Just last night in Georgetown, in another grocery store robbery, the son of the owner of the store stepped in and tried to protect his mothers life... he got cut up pretty bad on his hand and may lose the tendons in his tumb.

Police are doing a good job, and there is room for improvement in solving many of these 'corner store' robberies. :(

Excellent post! And with cigarette prices going up, it's only going to get worse across the province.

Haha... 10 robberies enough? The store owner must be stupid for that much robberies to happen. Let alone for him to keep running his store after couple of robberies...!?! Is he hit in the head?

And how would you prevent a robbery? :rolleyes:
If some punk wants to rob you, a security camera, a dog, a baseball bat, whatever, will do little to deter him. Especially when he's jacked up on crack and looking for his next fix. Or he's lost his job, can't afford to smoke anymore and sees cigarettes for what they really are nowadays: gold.

[UrbanPoet]

Likely the owner(s) didn't fork out 'protection' monies for his business location. Of course, I don't encourage that kind of protection. BUT what can one do about this sort as police ain't going to monitor 24/7. The 'protector' knows who is who as words do get around the neighbourhood not to 'rob' the place etc including providing the security of the owner(s).

To add, it is only hearsay so please don't flame me as I don't have my own business to take care of.

thats an interesting conspiracy theory type speculation....


But i do hope people in this thread know that this corner store was in a very nice beaches neighbourhood. the houses in this area are VERY expensive...
Its mostly upper middle classe citizens here (a few lower class people that bought into the area before the boom).

[UrbanPoet]

I'm always disappointed by the lack of police presence in Toronto. I very rarely see cops just out and about patrolling, as they should be doing to deter crime. I have been living at my current location for 13 years and I have never once seen the police patrolling within 10km. The only time I have ever seen cops is when a friend of mine was T-boned by a police car which was speeding through a red light having only turned it's sirens on after entering the intersection. The police immediately covered the damaged cruiser so you couldn't tell it was a police vehicle and towed it ASAP. You or I would be in deep **** for doing that, too bad we don't have badges.

modern policing focuses on community policing initiatives.

[dairymandip]

thats an interesting conspiracy theory type speculation....


But i do hope people in this thread know that this corner store was in a very nice beaches neighbourhood. the houses in this area are VERY expensive...
Its mostly upper middle classe citizens here (a few lower class people that bought into the area before the boom).

area doesn't matter, only way i'd ever own a convience store if it was in a mall

[Rishi]

modern policing focuses on community policing initiatives.
I believe the police mandate should be to deter & investigate crime. Community outreach should be left up to a specialized agency.

[lata008]

area doesn't matter, only way i'd ever own a convience store if it was in a mall
Area definitely doesn't matter when it comes to robberies. They happen anywhere and everywhere. In the best of neighbourhoods and the worst of neighborhoods. And for someone to say that it's the convenience store owner's fault for not preventing 10 robberies simply doesn't get that they will happen no matter what you do and where you are located.

[st7860]

its the owners fault for not preventing 10 robbiers. 1, 2, 3, maybe but 10? ever heard of cameras? weapons? maybe a buzzer? gate? common sense? who would keep their store open after it gets to TEN robberies?

[lata008]

its the owners fault for not preventing 10 robbiers. 1, 2, 3, maybe but 10? ever heard of cameras? weapons? maybe a buzzer? gate? common sense? who would keep their store open after it gets to TEN robberies?
Do you own a convenience store? Seriously? Because I don't think you understand how difficult it is to prevent a robbery no matter what you do. He can have a weapon (which might get used against him anyway and violence only condones more violence, plus you face being counter-charged), cameras don't do jack because hoodlums know that the Youth Criminal Justice Act will give them a slap on the wrist and robbery laws are pretty lenient anyway even if you're not a youth, and how many times can you deny someone entry into a store before they threaten a discrimination suit or decide to throw a brick throw your window?

This country protects the criminal first and foremost and it's almost better to hand over the cash than face the repercussions yourself of trying to protect yourself and your property.

And that store may close but it will only take a short amount of time before a new owner opens it up again and the cycle repeats itself.

Someone should do a provincial average of how many times a store gets robbed and you'll see that 10 robberies is nothing. 10 robberies in that short time frame may be excessive, but it doesn't negate the fact that convenience stores are constantly targeted because the laws make it too easy.

[st7860]

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/registration_e.asp

[Siefer999]

http://i33.tinypic.com/2po1iit.jpg

i would post a sign on the outside saying that i dare somebody to rob me again. i think that would scare off the little hoodlums

[hagbard]

i meant this:
http://www.noloitering.ca/

or

http://www.compoundsecurity.co.uk/teenage_control_products.html
The Mosquito™ ultrasonic teenage deterrent is the solution to the eternal problem of unwanted gatherings of youths and teenagers in shopping malls, around shops and anywhere else they are causing problems. The presence of these teenagers discourages genuine shoppers and customers’ from coming into your shop, affecting your turnover and profits. Anti social behavior has become the biggest threat to private property over the last decade and there has been no effective deterrent until now.

Acclaimed by the Police forces of many areas of the United Kingdom, the Mosquito ultrasonic teenage deterrent has been described as “the most effective tool in our fight against anti social behaviour”. Shop keepers around the world have purchased the device to move along unwanted gatherings of teenagers and anti social youths. Railway companies have placed the device to discourage youths from spraying graffiti on their trains and the walls of stations.

With an effective range of between fifteen and twenty meters Compound Security Systems’ field trials have shown that teenagers are acutely aware of the Mosquito and usually move away from the area within an average of 8- 10 minutes. The system is completely harmless even with long term use. The Times newspaper in England reports that the device was first used at a Spar shop in Barry, South Wales, where the owner Robert Gough was enthusiastic about the device's success in driving away the local youths. "Either someone has come along and wiped them off the face of the earth, or it's working" he is quoted as saying. Since then, there have been literally hundreds of successful reports not only from police and local authorities, but also from business owners.

It seems that there is a very real medical phenomenon known as presbycusis or age related hearing loss which, according to The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy, "begins after the age of 20 but is usually significant only in persons over 65". It first affects the highest frequencies (18 to 20 kHz) notably in those who have turned 20 years of age". It is possible to generate a high frequency sound that is audible only to teenagers.

I'm getting me one of these things.