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torlou
Jul 24th, 2008, 01:50 PM
So it looks like CDMA is on life support. This "might" help with competition.

Found an interesting article on MSN.ca's Tech & Gadgets section:

The two carriers are about to announce a shift to network technology that is compatible with the global GSM standard, according to UBS.

A switch in cellphone technology would give Telus and Bell access to exclusive GSM-only mobile devices, such as the iPhone.
It's possible as the two cellphone companies are about to announce a shift to network technology that is compatible with Apple Inc.'s hot-selling mobile device, according to reports that have surfaced over the past few days.

The two cellphone companies - Canada's second- and third-largest providers, respectively, after Rogers Communications Inc. - are poised to announce a conversion from their current wireless technology and toward the more popular kind used by their rival, according to a report Monday from UBS Investment Research.

Both companies have cellphone networks that run on Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) technology, which is used by fewer than 20 per cent of the providers in the world, while Rogers uses the near-ubiquitous Global System for Mobile communications (GSM).

Bell and Telus are looking to switch to either Wideband-CDMA (WCDMA) or High Speed Packet Access (HSPA) technology, both of which are similar to GSM in how they transmit data, UBS said. Over the past few years, Bell and Telus have seen Rogers run away with signing up new customers, who are attracted to flashy GSM phones - including the iPhone - that are not available to CDMA carriers.

The move would cost the companies a combined $360 million to $480 million, UBS said, while equipment vendors Huawei and Nokia Siemens Networks would be the likely candidates to do the work.

Spokespeople for Bell and Telus declined to comment.

A switch would bring the networks of Canada's three big cellphone providers into closer alignment and allow customers to take their phones with them when switching providers, rather than buy new ones as they currently do. It would also give the cellphone companies access to a greater variety of handsets, including the iPhone, and lower their costs because such devices are manufactured in greater volumes than CDMA phones.

Rogers has also benefited from GSM-using cellphone customers from other countries, who pay the company to roam on its network while they are in Canada. A conversion would give Bell and Telus a slice of that pie.

Winners of the just-concluded government spectrum auction are also expected to stay away from CDMA and choose the more popular network technologies.

With the reasons for a switch mounting, a move is inevitable for Bell and Telus, the UBS report said.

"If Telus (and BCE) comes through with this decision, one could conclude that they had little choice if they want to secure their future competitive position, especially in the face of potential new entrants within 12-18 months," the investment bank said.

The report, which followed rumours in the industry last week, called into question the potential cost-savings for the two companies, however. While the savings of a straight-up move to GSM would be obvious, it is difficult to see the benefit of a halfway switch to the other technologies.

"The handset savings from CDMA to GSM is very apparent," UBS said. "With our assumption that Telus (and BCE) are deploying WCDMA/HSPA and not GSM, the handset savings are less clear."

The report pointed out that a number of CDMA providers elsewhere in the world have recently begun switching their networks to the more popular technology, including Telstra Corp. in Australia, Telecom New Zealand and SKT in South Korea.

While a switch wouldn't automatically mean Bell and Telus would offer the iPhone - or any other GSM-exclusive handsets - it would at least give them the ability to do so.

Multiple iPhone carriers would likely be music to the ears of the more than 50,000 people who signed an online petition against Rogers' rates ahead of the device's launch on July 11. Australia, with its three carriers including Telstra, has some of the lowest prices on the device in the world, according to CBCNews.ca's iPhone iNdex. Switzerland, with two iPhone carriers, also ranks well in pricing.

Rogers' iPhone, meanwhile, ranks roughly in the middle of the pack in terms of monthly pricing but is the second-most expensive in the world in terms of total commitment by virtue of its mandatory three-year contract, the longest offered by any carrier in any country.

Rekognize
Jul 24th, 2008, 01:54 PM
sweet

TrEvOrLiCioUs
Jul 24th, 2008, 01:57 PM
It's pretty interested how many times the iPhone was mentioned in that article.

Now we can all thank the iPhone for pushing Bell and Telus over the edge and finally give up on their CDMA networks. I would gladly welcome more GSM providers in Canada.

desi_eng
Jul 24th, 2008, 02:46 PM
I hope Ted Robbers had a stroke reading this :twisted: :twisted:

Hopefully this actually goes through though. (fingers crossed)

handaman
Jul 24th, 2008, 02:52 PM
imho TELUS needs to move to GSM before the 2010 olympics. This will allow visitors to use their existing phones on pre-paid.

habsfan93
Jul 24th, 2008, 05:05 PM
How would this impact people on CDMA phones right now?
Would their phones essentially become useless and they would all have to get new phones?

torlou
Jul 24th, 2008, 06:37 PM
How would this impact people on CDMA phones right now?
Would their phones essentially become useless and they would all have to get new phones?

That's what happened when Rogers made the switch from TDMA to GSM a few years back. They ran both networks for a while, and eventually moved people over to GSM (with free phones in some cases).

germster
Jul 24th, 2008, 06:50 PM
How would this impact people on CDMA phones right now?
Would their phones essentially become useless and they would all have to get new phones?

Well they will probably run both networks (CDMA and GSM) for some time, especially since some poor chaps are stuck with CDMA phones for the next 3 years. But whatever happens, they will have to turn off their CDMA networks completely some day and people will have to get new phones, indeed.

Badman
Jul 24th, 2008, 06:51 PM
That's what happened when Rogers made the switch from TDMA to GSM a few years back. They ran both networks for a while, and eventually moved people over to GSM (with free phones in some cases).

yep they gave a free phone(cheap one but still free and new) for old customers.

I'm glad this will happen. We need more competition and I like telus plans.

alysomji
Jul 24th, 2008, 11:02 PM
This will help in ending the monopolization of GSM in Canada by Rogers.

I'm still skeptical as to the overall savings for consumers from this, however.

ckhw
Jul 25th, 2008, 12:02 AM
I hope Ted Robbers had a stroke reading this :twisted: :twisted:

Gone yet?:twisted:

desi_eng
Jul 25th, 2008, 10:14 AM
Gone yet?:twisted:

I don;t think we're that lucky, but WTH, here's to hoping :twisted: