BB - Day of Deals #7

[Boomer79]

Didn't see this posted yet. Looks to be the highlight is a 50" Samsung 1080p Plasma (PN50A650) for $2199.99 with a 'free' 10mp digital camera.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926HDS0010101292&logon=&langid=EN

A couple Yahama recievers for $350 and 500. An 8G usb drive for $25 and a refurbished desktop for $450.

Link to page:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/marketing/dod0718/EN/default7.asp?logon=&langid=EN

[wanderingcat]

thanks:cheesygri

[kkkat]

How's the transfer rate with the USB drive? Anyone know?

[edvc520]

How's the transfer rate with the USB drive? Anyone know?

2.0 USB speed is normally standard?

[iLLNESS]

i like how the event is 'Door Crashers'

but most of those sales are online only

[Gophermofur]

Hmm... Thinking about buying the HTR6060. I know it's very close in terms of features to the RX-V661, with a few less features here and there.

Does anyone have any opinions on it? It seems like a good price considering the V661 is going for $450 at 2001 AudioVideo, but at the same time I think Yamaha is trying to phase it out.

[zenzen]

2.0 USB speed is normally standard?

One would think so; in practice, speed varies a lot.

[Boomer79]

Seems like all TV's are being liquidated one model at a time. 50A650 was released at $2800 now it's $2200. 50A450 $1800 now $1400. It's christmas in July - not quite but still if the products are what your looking for then by all means save some money for other things.

[Viper98]

50A450 $1800 now $1400. .


I got my 50a450 like right after it came out back in may for $1440 at FS








this is a great deal for the a650 though... so much though that I'm thinking of trying to sell my 450 and buying this(or the 5080for $2k at FS)

[number8888]

Hmm... Thinking about buying the HTR6060. I know it's very close in terms of features to the RX-V661, with a few less features here and there.

Does anyone have any opinions on it? It seems like a good price considering the V661 is going for $450 at 2001 AudioVideo, but at the same time I think Yamaha is trying to phase it out.

I am not expert but yeah this is the old model that uses HDMI 1.2a and no decording for the Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio. It has now been replaced by the 6160 ... which is actually on sale for 499.99 right now on BestBuy. :cheesygri

Link:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10099878&catid=20313&logon=&langid=EN

[kenchau]

2.0 USB speed is normally standard?

Well certainly, the potential of 2.0 USB is the same (i.e. 480Mb/s - that's megabits not megabytes). But most flash memory used in USB drives just don't reach near that potential for read speeds and certainly not close for write speeds. That's why you see such a large discrepency in pricing from brand to brand, because some are touted to be dramatically faster.

Edit: BTW, 480Mb/s = roughly 60MB/s

[alexpb1]

I don't like the no coaxial input.
Have plans to use one for standard cable/streaming video over hdmi

[fitbrit]

I am not expert but yeah this is the old model that uses HDMI 1.2a and no decording for the Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio. It has now been replaced by the 6160 ... which is actually on sale for 499.99 right now on BestBuy. :cheesygri

Link:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10099878&catid=20313&logon=&langid=EN

^
Listen to this guy. The 6160 is the one to get.

[Mystix]

If you have a ps3, the console decode its for you :cheesygri

[Gophermofur]

I am not expert but yeah this is the old model that uses HDMI 1.2a and no decording for the Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio. It has now been replaced by the 6160 ... which is actually on sale for 499.99 right now on BestBuy. :cheesygri

Link:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10099878&catid=20313&logon=&langid=EN

I just can't seem to justify spending the extra $150 for lossless audio when:
a) I don't have a PS3
b) I probably won't be watching much Blu-ray content.

I mostly watch stuff off my PC/Satellite Dish. That and I'm not an audiophile... would you guys shoot me if I told you I don't really notice a difference between MP3's and CD's in terms of quality?

[blakjak]

I just can't seem to justify spending the extra $150 for lossless audio when:
a) I don't have a PS3
b) I probably won't be watching much Blu-ray content.

I mostly watch stuff off my PC/Satellite Dish. That and I'm not an audiophile... would you guys shoot me if I told you I don't really notice a difference between MP3's and CD's in terms of quality?

I have this receiver and am very, very pleased with it. TrueHD and Master Audio will not be an issue if you rarely watch Blu-Rays or do not have a PS3. Even if you did, it's still not that great of a sound difference for the average user to notice to begin with. The other feature on the 6160 is the dual subwoofer outputs, but again, no real need for that at this time - still not many sources with 7.1, let alone 7.2 (basically non-existant over a satellite feed, anyways).

Save your cash and get the 6060 - more than good enough to suit your needs.

[enko]

What appeals to me about the 6160 is that you can have 1 cable from your receiver to your TV that will do everything.

The receiver will upconvert/passthrough everything through that one cable, same with audio.

Whereas the lower ones you'll need to run all video cables to your receiver, and all audio cables to your TV... or is it the other way around... lol.

[chdude3]

I am not expert but yeah this is the old model that uses HDMI 1.2aI don't really see that as being a huge drawback. I mean in REALITY, what really would you lose out on?

[ceeatch]

I don't really see that as being a huge drawback. I mean in REALITY, what really would you lose out on?

About .1 of an HDMI version!

[Gophermofur]

What appeals to me about the 6160 is that you can have 1 cable from your receiver to your TV that will do everything.

The receiver will upconvert/passthrough everything through that one cable, same with audio.

Whereas the lower ones you'll need to run all video cables to your receiver, and all audio cables to your TV... or is it the other way around... lol.

It shouldn't be passing through the audio to the TV.

Yeah, transcoding would be a nice feature to have, but not a necessity. I don't plan on running that many different units and the ones I do plan on using all have HDMI outputs.

Your setup would still pass everything through the receiver. Audio cables wouldn't go to the TV at all, they would stop at the receiver, since the receiver is the one handling the audio portion.

If your unit outputs HDMI the setup will pass both video and audio via HDMI:

|Unit| ---- HDMI ----> |Receiver| ----- HDMI ----> |TV|
* note that audio will not be passed to the TV, just video

If your unit doesn't output HDMI, you'll have seperate cables:
Audio: |Unit| --- Optical ---> |Receiver|
Video: |Unit| --- Component ---> |Receiver| -- Componentt --> TV

Hope that makes sense.

[lorg_galathon]

Yeah, I've had the Kingston Datatraveler and it's slow compared to the pricier GXT branded one.

Benchmarking them with HDTach gives 13Mb/s average on the Datatraveler and 25Mb/s average on the GXT.

I have an even slower one from Wal-Mart (no name, 1Gb) that gives 8Mb/s average.

[enko]

It shouldn't be passing through the audio to the TV.

Yeah, transcoding would be a nice feature to have, but not a necessity. I don't plan on running that many different units and the ones I do plan on using all have HDMI outputs.

Your setup would still pass everything through the receiver. Audio cables wouldn't go to the TV at all, they would stop at the receiver, since the receiver is the one handling the audio portion.

If your unit outputs HDMI the setup will pass both video and audio via HDMI:

|Unit| ---- HDMI ----> |Receiver| ----- HDMI ----> |TV|
* note that audio will not be passed to the TV, just video

If your unit doesn't output HDMI, you'll have seperate cables:
Audio: |Unit| --- Optical ---> |Receiver|
Video: |Unit| --- Component ---> |Receiver| -- Componentt --> TV

Hope that makes sense.

It does makes sense - what I'm saying is the 6160 *does* pass through audio I believe, whereas most lower end receivers do not. (ie, the 6060 perhaps? Not too familiar with it)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!

[blakjak]

What appeals to me about the 6160 is that you can have 1 cable from your receiver to your TV that will do everything.

The receiver will upconvert/passthrough everything through that one cable, same with audio.

Whereas the lower ones you'll need to run all video cables to your receiver, and all audio cables to your TV... or is it the other way around... lol.

The 6060 does the same thing. I have 2 satellite receivers, a DVR, and PS3 going into the 6060 and only one HDMI cable going to the TV. I let my TV do the upconverting (where applicable) as opposed to the Yammy.

...and the 6060 passes both audio and video through HDMI, btw.

[Viper98]

If you have a ps3, the console decode its for you :cheesygri

but PS3 can't do DTSMA

[Gophermofur]

The 6060 does the same thing. I have 2 satellite receivers, a DVR, and PS3 going into the 6060 and only one HDMI cable going to the TV. I let my TV do the upconverting (where applicable) as opposed to the Yammy.

...and the 6060 passes both audio and video through HDMI, btw.

Blakjak is right, the 6060 does pass audio. The main difference, in regards to HDMI/cabling between the 6060 and 6160 is that the 6160 can perform transcoding. Meaning it can take your component cable and convert the signal to HDMI, allowing you to have 1 cable going from your receiver to your TV instead of two.

[Gophermofur]

The 6060 does the same thing. I have 2 satellite receivers, a DVR, and PS3 going into the 6060 and only one HDMI cable going to the TV. I let my TV do the upconverting (where applicable) as opposed to the Yammy.

...and the 6060 passes both audio and video through HDMI, btw.

Doesn't the HTR6060 only have 2 HDMI inputs? Are you using an HDMI switch?

[blakjak]

Doesn't the HTR6060 only have 2 HDMI inputs? Are you using an HDMI switch?

My PS3 is using one HDMI input by itself. My DVR is using the other HDMI input - my sats run through the DVR and out to the 6060 using the DVR's HDMI output. That's how I get 4 devices into two inputs :cheesygri

[number8888]

but PS3 can't do DTSMA

Actually with the latest firmware PS3 will internally decode DTSMA and output PCM 7.1 through HDMI. So yeah if you have a PS3 you don't really need the decoder in the reciever. Should note that 6060 will process the PCM from HDMI and just pass-thru.

I am sure 6060 is a fine reciever, and if that's all you need then go for it. I am using the 5960 and I love it. I am just pointing out that 6160 is the newer version and more future-proof.

[timojaak]

How's the transfer rate with the USB drive? Anyone know?

The item's description on the Best Buy website contradicts itself: in the descriptions it states "Quickly transfer files at up to 10MB/second" while in the specs it states "Maximum Data Transfer Rate: 10Mbps". MBps is 8x faster than Mbps; the "10 MB/s" is wrong. Also, the 10 Mbps is probably "read speed" and the write speed is probably slower.

The speed is not bad, but not great. It's faster than the Kingston USB drive regularly on sale (they have a writes speed of 1.5 Mbps). However, you can find faster ones; I have an OCZ Rally2 with 15 Mbps write speed and I know some other USB drives go up to 30 Mbps write speed.

[taank]

The item's description on the Best Buy website contradicts itself: in the descriptions it states "Quickly transfer files at up to 10MB/second" while in the specs it states "Maximum Data Transfer Rate: 10Mbps". MBps is 8x faster than Mbps; the "10 MB/s" is wrong. Also, the 10 Mbps is probably "read speed" and the write speed is probably slower.

The speed is not bad, but not great. It's faster than the Kingston USB drive regularly on sale (they have a writes speed of 1.5 Mbps). However, you can find faster ones; I have an OCZ Rally2 with 15 Mbps write speed and I know some other USB drives go up to 30 Mbps write speed.


I have a question, on the receiver, currently I put up a Projection screen with componet cables running down to the receiver. Is there a big difference from componet to HDMI. The HDMI cable was to costly for me to run 39 feet.

thanks

[yoyuan]

Found most wesite says HRT6060 Power as: 95W x 7.

on bestbuy.ca (HRT6060):

Power Per Channel - Stereo 105 W
Power Per Channel - Surround 105 W

I checked yamaha usa (HRT6060):

RMS Output Power (20Hz - 20kHz) 90W x 7
RMS Output Power (1kHz) 105W x 7
Total Power (20Hz - 20kHz) 630W

But in canada, (it says HRT6060B):

Min. RMS Output Power Front Channels 105 W + 105 W (0.7% THD)
(8 ohms, 20 - 20,000 Hz) Centre Channel 105 W (0.7% THD)
(8 ohms, 20 - 20,000 Hz) Surround Channels 105 W + 105 W (0.7% THD)
(8 ohms, 20 - 20,000 Hz) Surround Rear Channels 105 W + 105 W (0.7% THD)

Are they same models?

[enko]

Blakjak is right, the 6060 does pass audio. The main difference, in regards to HDMI/cabling between the 6060 and 6160 is that the 6160 can perform transcoding. Meaning it can take your component cable and convert the signal to HDMI, allowing you to have 1 cable going from your receiver to your TV instead of two.

Ahh, thanks for the clarification. I knew the 6160 did *something* the others didn't to not allow simply 1 HDMI cable to the TV.

[Gophermofur]

I have a question, on the receiver, currently I put up a Projection screen with componet cables running down to the receiver. Is there a big difference from componet to HDMI. The HDMI cable was to costly for me to run 39 feet.

thanks

I think technically HDMI is better because there is no signal degredation at all. But this has been debated before on plenty of forums (just search google for "Component vs HDMI") and it seems like the general consensus is that you won't notice a difference in quality unless you stick your face up to the screen. For normal TV watching, you wouldn't notice the difference.

The main reason to consider HDMI over component is the ability to transmit both video and audio via the same cable... but that of course required your source to output HDMI.

I'd say save your money.

[taank]

I think technically HDMI is better because there is no signal degredation at all. But this has been debated before on plenty of forums (just search google for "Component vs HDMI") and it seems like the general consensus is that you won't notice a difference in quality unless you stick your face up to the screen. For normal TV watching, you wouldn't notice the difference.

The main reason to consider HDMI over component is the ability to transmit both video and audio via the same cable... but that of course required your source to output HDMI.

I'd say save your money.

Thanks for the Reply....

[s2kdarren]

i have the A650 although its LCD... best tv i have laid eyes on :)

[GYR8]

I have a question, on the receiver, currently I put up a Projection screen with componet cables running down to the receiver. Is there a big difference from componet to HDMI. The HDMI cable was to costly for me to run 39 feet.

thanks

Monoprice.com has 40 foot HDMI cables for around $40USD + Shipping, so it's not *that* expensive, considering the length.

GYR8

[jk123]

Why couldn't they put the PS3 on sale and add HDMI cable and extra controller LIKE DELL >:(

[morgancroft]

All,

FS is selling the PN50A650 for 2899... Good Price Matching opportunity :)