Rust proofing?

[golden]

Just wonder anyone can recommend a place in/near Markham for rust proofing? I used to have rust proofing / leather treatment / paint protection done at a place in Scarborugh for about $399. Just want to shop around or hear any experience about other places.

[Whitedart]

Just wonder anyone can recommend a place in/near Markham for rust proofing? I used to have rust proofing / leather treatment / paint protection done at a place in Scarborugh for about $399. Just want to shop around or hear any experience about other places.

I use Krown, with the annual sprays. It has been recommended in a number of threads on RFD.

[mackace23]

yup, use Krown.

[Anonymouse]

Is there a reason to use Krown as opposed to Rust Check?

[golden]

I heard Krown is using some oil injected into the doors with holes drilled. I prefer not to have holes drilled. Also, heard that the oil dripping out initially is rather annoying. Any comments?

[dealmeone]

I use Reg's Auto Body annual spray. In Scarborough, Kennedy & Danforth Rd. I used to use Crown in Pickering but they hardly sprayed the underbody if at all. Any time I had it in for service, the mechanic would tell me to have it sprayed (which I just did at Crown) because it looked dry. Now I have them comment on what a thorough job that has been done (by Reg's) at a lower price too.

[MP3_SKY]

Once you drilled a hole, you have to go back every year, if not, the rust will be appeariing on that drilled spot. So there is good and bad, with hole, they can have access to more hidden parts, but you have to go back almost every year.

[Jucius Maximus]

I heard Krown is using some oil injected into the doors with holes drilled. I prefer not to have holes drilled. Also, heard that the oil dripping out initially is rather annoying. Any comments?

Krown is really the only one that actually works. You need to drill the holes because rust starts from the inside out, and they have to get to the inside of the panels to prevent this from happening. I had my car Krowned recently for the first time and I could not watch when they drilled the holes. But it is all for the best because the holes get coated with the grease, and the Krown solution "creeps" and will seal the holes so it won't start rusting there. Also, I took off all the little rubber caps on the holes and sprayed then with white grease, and then re-seated the caps.

The dripping goes on for about 3 days. It is annoying but I covered the floor under my car with newspapers so they caught most of the drips.

[Jucius Maximus]

Once you drilled a hole, you have to go back every year, if not, the rust will be appeariing on that drilled spot. So there is good and bad, with hole, they can have access to more hidden parts, but you have to go back almost every year.
If I did not go back every year, I would re-spray each hole with white grease to preserve the metal.

[Menace]

I just had my wify's brand new 2009 Corolla sprayed with Krown last Monday. Say no more eh! Google "Krown" to see what other people say about it.

Just wonder anyone can recommend a place in/near Markham for rust proofing? I used to have rust proofing / leather treatment / paint protection done at a place in Scarborugh for about $399. Just want to shop around or hear any experience about other places.

[jokerstone]

you HAVE to go back every yr? where are these holes i havent really looked or noticed them

[Menace]

You don't notice them at all. On my old Acura 1.6 EL, I can see them on the doors (3 of them each door), but not on the 2009 Corolla. The new holes (2 holes) were hardly noticed at all.

i havent really looked or noticed them

[plymouthhater]

I am in Georgia on vacation - I just took my Sienna to the local Toyota dealer for an oil change. The mechanic popped the hood - stood there with a horrified look on his face and called me over to tell me that I had a major oil leak problem. He had never seen a vehicle that had been oil sprayed (Krown) before. :lol:

Every tech in the dealership came over to have a look.

BTW the best place in the GTA to get the Krown spray done is their head office on Creditstone Rd in Concord (Jane and Hwy 7).

[Jucius Maximus]

you HAVE to go back every yr? where are these holes i havent really looked or noticed them

My Mazda6 has a total of 19 drill holes from Krown. Look for these little back caps about the size of a penny around the edges of your doors and on the rocker panels.

Krown does lose effectiveness after about 1 year, which is why you have to go back. That's the tradeoff you get because Krown creeps and drips. It gets into all the tiny little crevices and that's why it is effective at preventing rust.

However since it's not really gummy or thick, it eventually wears off so you have to re-apply.

Also, if you get a new vehicle sprayed with Krown, you get krown's anti-rust warranty (http://www.krown.com/warranty.php). However if you don't re-apply on time, you lose the warranty.

[weales]

Lakeshore Krown, Igor is an awesome guy and gives deals to the local car clubs during the busy time of the season.

[bonerhaus]

Once you drilled a hole, you have to go back every year, if not, the rust will be appeariing on that drilled spot. So there is good and bad, with hole, they can have access to more hidden parts, but you have to go back almost every year.

Thats bs. When they drill a hole they coat the surface with a thick white grease before putting the cap on the hole. Its not coated with the oil based Krown that runs and drips.

The whole idea of drilling holes in the car is to get the rust protection into areas where moisture sits. If this isn't done, you will still have areas of the vehicle while will be prone to rust and you might as well save your money.

[alex_d10]

He had never seen a vehicle that had been oil sprayed (Krown) before. :lol:

Every tech in the dealership came over to have a look.


Well of course - rust isnt that big of a problem in the southern US. Especially considering they rarely even have snow.

And our family has taken all 3 of our cars to the creditstone location, great service!

[MP3_SKY]

I worked at Duratech Anti-rust. They drilled hole as well and putting grease on the hole and cap it......just make sure they do put a lot of grease. Sometimes, they drill 4-5 holes from one door and miss to grease 1-2... LOL

:cheesygri

[Anonymouse]

I have some rust creeping beside a hole in the door sill where my daughter bangs the snow off her shoes in the winter. Maybe Rust Check forgot to put grease on it. I guess it's worth verifying there's grease at high risk areas like that.

I don't know about others, but the reason I get rust sprays is to preserve the integrity of the crash cage.

[ES_Revenge]

Is there a reason to use Krown as opposed to Rust Check?

IIRC, back in the day Krown started from Rust Check didn't it? And then they improved the process/product used? I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing that when I was a kid. I doubt you'll have problems with either.

BTW the best place in the GTA to get the Krown spray done is their head office on Creditstone Rd in Concord (Jane and Hwy 7).
Oh it's right there eh? Cool. Thanks for the tip :)

[bonerhaus]

People from Rust Check left and started Krown, using a different formula of oil that they had made up.

[Da Grape]

I'm going to need to bring my Xterra for rust proofing too before winter, I always thought its best to do the 1 rust proof that last a while rather than the yearly one?

[Jucius Maximus]

I'm going to need to bring my Xterra for rust proofing too before winter, I always thought its best to do the 1 rust proof that last a while rather than the yearly one?

No, those "long lasting" rustproofing solutions only last a long time because they are very thick and tar-like. Since they're not "runny" like the Krown stuff, they do not make it into all the little cracks and crevices, thus the actual protection provided is inferior. So even if the stuff stays on your car for a long time, it will not be effective at preventing rust.

[plymouthhater]

No, those "long lasting" rustproofing solutions only last a long time because they are very thick and tar-like. Since they're not "runny" like the Krown stuff, they do not make it into all the little cracks and crevices, thus the actual protection provided is inferior. So even if the stuff stays on your car for a long time, it will not be effective at preventing rust.

Also, with tar and wax based rustproofing, if the tar or wax cracks, water and roadsalt can penetrate the material via the cracks and then the wax or tar can actually hold the corrosive mixture against the metal. This actually hastens the corrosion process.

Most of the automotive guru's e.g. George Iny from APA, Mohammed Bushama from Car Help Canada and Phil Edmonston from Lemon Aid advise that the only successful methods of rust protection are oil based i.e. Krown and Rust Check.

BTW ignore the hard sell and claims that aftermarket rust protection will void your new car warranty from new car sales people. No one has ever had their warranty claim denied due to the application of Krown or Rust Check. Rust protection, fabric protection and "perma shine" are extremely high markup - high profit items for dealers - hence the hard sell.

FYI - APA members get $10 off at Krown. So if you join the APA to get the dealer cost on the vehicle you end up buying - you'll save $10 of your membership cost with the rustproofing discount.

[Da Grape]

Also, with tar and wax based rustproofing, if the tar or wax cracks, water and roadsalt can penetrate the material via the cracks and then the wax or tar can actually hold the corrosive mixture against the metal. This actually hastens the corrosion process.

Most of the automotive guru's e.g. George Iny from APA, Mohammed Bushama from Car Help Canada and Phil Edmonston from Lemon Aid advise that the only successful methods of rust protection are oil based i.e. Krown and Rust Check.

BTW ignore the hard sell and claims that aftermarket rust protection will void your new car warranty from new car sales people. No one has ever had their warranty claim denied due to the application of Krown or Rust Check. Rust protection, fabric protection and "perma shine" are extremely high markup - high profit items for dealers - hence the hard sell.

FYI - APA members get $10 off at Krown. So if you join the APA to get the dealer cost on the vehicle you end up buying - you'll save $10 of your membership cost with the rustproofing discount.

Thanks!

What is the going rate for rust proofing with Krown? do we get any rfd discounts or something? :D

edit - Checked the site and it says $119.95 for small SUV.

[ES_Revenge]

Also, with tar and wax based rustproofing, if the tar or wax cracks, water and roadsalt can penetrate the material via the cracks and then the wax or tar can actually hold the corrosive mixture against the metal. This actually hastens the corrosion process.
Though what you've said above is what "they say", and seems to be correct in terms of the theory, it doesn't usually seem to be the case in practice. I've seen a lot of cases where the goop stuff has worked well over time, and never really seen it make a car worse than an unprotected one.

I contend that both types of rust proofing work well, and both have advantages and disadvantages. The goop stuff doesn't drip but it's a lot more messy if you think about it--just look at any car that has it and is a few years old and you'll see. Plus you're screwed for life on engine bay cleanliness with the goop stuff.

Contrary to what pepople think, the goop stuff doesn't last "forever" either. After some years, in some places, it should be reapplied where necessary. Most of the guarantees for this stuff do require yearly inspection and re-application if/when/where necessary.

Krown you have the dripping and the mandatory yearly applications, but I do believe it's the better of these two main types.

Most of the automotive guru's e.g. George Iny from APA, Mohammed Bushama from Car Help Canada and Phil Edmonston from Lemon Aid advise that the only successful methods of rust protection are oil based i.e. Krown and Rust Check.
Yeah out of those guys, just my opinion, but I only really trust the last guy. Mohammed Bushama that guy really doesn't know what he's talking about and that smile of his, well it's annoying, LOL. Why did that guy leave the APA though? Did they kick him out? I remember when he was an APA guy and then all of a sudden not. Then he had/has that "show" on CP24 with that girl that knows even less about cars than he does! :lol: Pretty funny stuff. The Lemon-Aid show (which he actually used to be on) is a waaay better program if you ask me.

I do agree overall though that Krown is the better way to go

BTW ignore the hard sell and claims that aftermarket rust protection will void your new car warranty from new car sales people. No one has ever had their warranty claim denied due to the application of Krown or Rust Check. Rust protection, fabric protection and "perma shine" are extremely high markup - high profit items for dealers - hence the hard sell.
Agreed on that totally.

FYI - APA members get $10 off at Krown. So if you join the APA to get the dealer cost on the vehicle you end up buying - you'll save $10 of your membership cost with the rustproofing discount.
Good to know. Definitely didn't know that. Not that I'd be joining APA anytime soon, heh; but yeah for those that buy cars with APA quotes, it's a nice additional discount on something else you'll probably be getting done shortly after purchasing the car :)

[[H]ackerK]

Juts got a new car, and now I am looking around for rust proofing. Now my question with Krown is the price is $109. But does it cover annual re-spray or I have to pay every year?

Also about the dripping, in what color their stuff is?

Thx

[ImJJ]

ackerK;7142086']Juts got a new car, and now I am looking around for rust proofing. Now my question with Krown is the price is $109. But does it cover annual re-spray or I have to pay every year?

Also about the dripping, in what color their stuff is?

Thx

YES 109 plus tax every year.

Dripping is kind of yellow-orangeish color.
It's ugly for the first 3 days but hey, if it doesn't drip it doesn't work...

[at1212b]

I am in Georgia on vacation - I just took my Sienna to the local Toyota dealer for an oil change. The mechanic popped the hood - stood there with a horrified look on his face and called me over to tell me that I had a major oil leak problem. He had never seen a vehicle that had been oil sprayed (Krown) before. :lol:

Every tech in the dealership came over to have a look.

BTW the best place in the GTA to get the Krown spray done is their head office on Creditstone Rd in Concord (Jane and Hwy 7).

:arrowu: :lol:

[[H]ackerK]

YES 109 plus tax every year.

Dripping is kind of yellow-orangeish color.
It's ugly for the first 3 days but hey, if it doesn't drip it doesn't work...

Humm. that's what I thought... and if it is yellow-orangeish, I may have an idea what it looks like.. What I have seen in the past was more light-yellowish...

[konfusion666]

Lakeshore Krown, Igor is an awesome guy and gives deals to the local car clubs during the busy time of the season.

Yup! Had my 1.7EL done last year for $95.00 (everything included).

He doesn't give a receipt for "club prices" though.... :-0
Normally I'd be bothered but...

[[H]ackerK]

Humm.. still debating if I should do it at Krown or at dealership.

At dealership, they said they (or Diamond Kote?) can reapply them for me when I take my car in for service. And is no extra charge. And they will give me the clear coat paint protection for free. (I wonder if I can even see the 'clear coat'..)

However, from what I read, Krown seems to be better stuff because it is more water like and can seal all the cracks..

And frankly, most 'newer' cars I have seen on the road rarely even rust...

[Jucius Maximus]

Yup! Had my 1.7EL done last year for $95.00 (everything included).

He doesn't give a receipt for "club prices" though.... :-0
Normally I'd be bothered but...
I had my Mazda6 done for $95 through TorontoMazda6 Club discount and I got a receipt.

[Whitedart]

ackerK;7144034']And frankly, most 'newer' cars I have seen on the road rarely even rust...

Most newer cars don't rust for the first few years. But some people keep their cars in good shape, rust sprayed every year, and go without car payments for years as well.

One of my vehicles is a 17 year old pick up that has been Krowned almost every year, and still rust free.

[ES_Revenge]

ackerK;7144034']Humm.. still debating if I should do it at Krown or at dealership.

At dealership, they said they (or Diamond Kote?) can reapply them for me when I take my car in for service. And is no extra charge. And they will give me the clear coat paint protection for free. (I wonder if I can even see the 'clear coat'..)

Go back to here:

Rust protection, fabric protection and "perma shine" are extremely high markup - high profit items for dealers - hence the hard sell.

Also the clear coat paint protection means it's protection that's protecting the clear coat on your car--not that it's a clear coat itself, lol. Paint protection is pretty much just wax or sealant that lasts a year or two and they tell you it lasts for years and years--which is all nonsense. If they are giving you that for "free", you can get fabric protection (if applicable) thrown in free too, and you can get it for even cheaper. Just keep refusing it, usually they'll just keep knocking down the price, lol.

Again up to you which one you want to go with, but if you like to have a clean engine bay/underhood area, do NOT go with the dealer goop stuff as you will be sorry.



ackerK;7144034']And frankly, most 'newer' cars I have seen on the road rarely even rust...
You're correct. Newer cars are less subject to rust because, well, they haven't been out there that long. Give them time--10+ years--and then we'll see. I think Audi has the longest paint warranty out there (I could be wrong) and it's 12 years. They usually won't have any rust problems up 'till then, but untreated over all those years, you may end up with problems later down the road. Of course if you don't plan on keeping the car for 10 years or more you may elect not to bother.

There are cars that have problems with rust though, that's for sure. Hondas in the past (though people may claim it's not like that anymore, again we still need time to see); other cars like Mazdas we're seeing lots of rust complaints; Subarus we've all read about the paint problems there. So, you car could well start rusting before that, if untreated. Why take a chance?

[plymouthhater]

My wife's last vehicle was a Ford Aerostar minivan. They were/are notorious rust buckets due to a major design flaw where the rocker panels retain moisture and salt. Take a look at the next one you see on the road and the odds are pretty good it will have gaping holes along the bottom of the doors etc.

We finally sold the van at 10 yrs of age - it was Krown sprayed since new and there wasn't a speck of rust.

The Krown franchise on Creditstone Rd in Concord On (Jane and Hwy 7) has a "wall of fame" - with pictures of older vehicles that been Krown sprayed since new - vehicles have to be sprayed for at least 10 yrs to make it on to the wall.

They also have pictures of the Vaughan Fire Dept vehicles and Vaughan Hydro vehicles they have sprayed.

[Menace]

You can thank Global Warming for that :cheesygri :D

ackerK;7144034']

And frankly, most 'newer' cars I have seen on the road rarely even rust...

[Jucius Maximus]

You're correct. Newer cars are less subject to rust because, well, they haven't been out there that long. Give them time--10+ years--and then we'll see. I think Audi has the longest paint warranty out there (I could be wrong) and it's 12 years. They usually won't have any rust problems up 'till then, but untreated over all those years, you may end up with problems later down the road. Of course if you don't plan on keeping the car for 10 years or more you may elect not to bother.
Careful, Audis are a different kind of animal since the metal is double galvanized (on the inside and outside.) Most cars have single-galvanized metal, outside only.

I should also point out that Krown is especially important for people who park in garages. The reason is that, in the Winter, you will drive around and get your car caked with snow and salt. Then you will go into the garage every day and that saltwater solution will melt and accelerate the rusting. But that won't happen if you park outside in the cold.

[[H]ackerK]

Humm.. I wounder if it make senses to start rust proofing (e.g. Krown) few years down the road (4-5 yrs) instead of before 1st winter on a new car....

[ImJJ]

ackerK;7149200']Humm.. I wounder if it make senses to start rust proofing (e.g. Krown) few years down the road (4-5 yrs) instead of before 1st winter on a new car....

To enjoy the Krown warranty:


This warranty applies to new vehicles purchased less than 6 months prior to application of KROWN, within 12 months of manufacturer’s production date, except as may be extended by applicable provincial laws.

ANNUAL APPLICATION GIVES CONTINUED PROTECTION If you have KROWN Rust Control applied by a certified applicator annually within 30 days (plus or minus) of the anniversary date we will warranty:

1. ALL body panels below window line.
2. ALL seams and crevices.
3. ALL floor/rocker panels.

If any of the above perforates by rusting thru, from the inside out, we will repair/replace them at No Charge, up to the then current cash value of the vehicle as determined by us according to the Red Book.

If you sell the vehicle, the warranty is transferable to the new owner at No Cost. The warranty is honoured at all KROWN Centres.

...


http://www.krown.com/warranty.php

[bobby5]

Krown warranty:
...If any of the above perforates by rusting thru, from the inside out, we will repair/replace them at No Charge, up to the then current cash value of the vehicle as determined by us according to the Red Book....
http://www.krown.com/warranty.php

It takes a long while to "perforate by rusting thru", during which time if you don't go back to re-apply, I doubt the warranty still stands.

The warranty doesn't cover instances which surface rust starts to appear on applied site.

[ricky13579]

i used krown 3 years ago, and did not really go back since then... do i need to grease the holes myself??

[Anonymouse]

Based on my experience, it wouldn't be a bad idea to grease the holes. I don't know if Krown gives you a little bottle of fluid or not, but it might be a good idea to use that before you grease.

[ES_Revenge]

Careful, Audis are a different kind of animal since the metal is double galvanized (on the inside and outside.) Most cars have single-galvanized metal, outside only.

Someone said this before as well but it's not true. Pretty much all GM cars have had 2-sided galvanised steel, AFAIK, for years. I'm sure lots of other manufacturers have it as well. Perhaps Honda rustbuckets are 1-sided but, well, those are Hondas. I seriously wonder if Honda knew how to galvanise steel at all, LOL.

[bonerhaus]

Krown wouldn't have any negative effect on the zinc coating on single or double galvanized metal anyways.

Every metal is subject to corrosion, even stainless steel.

Bottom line is if you plan on keeping a vehicle for a long time, its a good idea to have it sprayed. Even if you don't do it every year, its still a good idea to have the vehicle sprayed once in a while. Sure that warranty won't be valid but if you have it sprayed every year, the sheetmetal will more than likely outlast your drivetrain.

[Whitedart]

i used krown 3 years ago, and did not really go back since then... do i need to grease the holes myself??

Are you concerned about rust on the holes, or rust on the parts of the body you can't see?

[Whitedart]

It takes a long while to "perforate by rusting thru", during which time if you don't go back to re-apply, .

Yes, it may take 5 or 6 years to perforate metal, but then it spreads in an almost uncontrolled manner.

The rusting will start shortly after the first time the car gets soaked with that messy salty water spray from the first winter storm where the roads are heavily salted.

By spring evey year, almost every GTA road has a large salt residue that hasn't washed down a catchbasin, and the roads are all swept to clear that residue.

[[H]ackerK]

Humm.. if I need to go back every year, and pay $109 that sounds like you are pretty much like hook to a contract of doing it (if not, they will not cover you)

Now say for example, if I do rust proofing once at dealership (yes, some said it is not as good as krown) for $5xx. Five to Six year of Krown will cost the same. And in both cases, I doubt the car will get rusted in 6 years.. I think is more down the road say, 8-10 years rust may appear if no rust proofing is done. By that time if I taken the Krown route, will cost me more than dealership. And dealership said they will do annual inspection and reapply as needed at no charge.... So to me, the dealership deal sounds better... And they also cover if there is any rust thru the panels, so if the tar like stuff is cracked and trapped moisture/salt and rusted thru, it is covered at the dealership.

Does it make senses?

P.S. Oh BTW, anyone know how good Toyota body is (assume w/o rust proffing)

[bobby5]

ackerK;7159338']... And dealership said they will do annual inspection and reapply as needed at no charge.....
Make sure there's no fine print somewhere that negates these promises.

Businesses are smart. They said they cover rust throughs. But as mentioned earlier, it takes so many years to actually rust through, by which time you'd probably want to sell the car.

What I wonder is: if there's surface rust on coated site, would they treat it first and then repaint and re-coat, or are they not bothered and just coat it?

[Whitedart]

ackerK;7159338']Humm.. if I need to go back every year, and pay $109 that sounds like you are pretty much like hook to a contract of doing it (if not, they will not cover you)

If you want to call it a contract. It is different, as you are not bound to Krown if you sell the car, or decide not to continue each year.


Now say for example, if I do rust proofing once at dealership (yes, some said it is not as good as krown) for $5xx. Five to Six year of Krown will cost the same. And in both cases, I doubt the car will get rusted in 6 years.. I think is more down the road say, 8-10 years rust may appear if no rust proofing is done. By that time if I taken the Krown route, will cost me more than dealership. And dealership said they will do annual inspection and reapply as needed at no charge.... So to me, the dealership deal sounds better... And they also cover if there is any rust thru the panels, so if the tar like stuff is cracked and trapped moisture/salt and rusted thru, it is covered at the dealership.

Does it make senses?

Well, I have been the dealer route several times, and each car rusted, and each ended up with rust perforation on various body panels. Dealers used every excuse possible to get out of any warranty repairs.

I started using Krown a number of years back (around 1990), and have been much happier with their product.
Yes, over a number of years if you keep the vehicle, Krown does cost more than the dealer single application, but if it does what it is supposed to do in preventing rust, then consider it as a form if insurance.

[bonerhaus]

ackerK;7159338']Humm.. if I need to go back every year, and pay $109 that sounds like you are pretty much like hook to a contract of doing it (if not, they will not cover you)

Now say for example, if I do rust proofing once at dealership (yes, some said it is not as good as krown) for $5xx. Five to Six year of Krown will cost the same. And in both cases, I doubt the car will get rusted in 6 years.. I think is more down the road say, 8-10 years rust may appear if no rust proofing is done. By that time if I taken the Krown route, will cost me more than dealership. And dealership said they will do annual inspection and reapply as needed at no charge.... So to me, the dealership deal sounds better... And they also cover if there is any rust thru the panels, so if the tar like stuff is cracked and trapped moisture/salt and rusted thru, it is covered at the dealership.

Does it make senses?

P.S. Oh BTW, anyone know how good Toyota body is (assume w/o rust proffing)

My friend got a new 2004 Mazda and for some silly reason paint the dealership for the rust and paint protection plan. This spring the strut towers were so badly rust, they actually took it into the body shop and painted a section of them to clean it up. The dealerships rust protection is a big cash grab and doesn't protect the car nearly as well as a good oil based spray like Krown.

[blackhawk]

I heard Krown is using some oil injected into the doors with holes drilled. I prefer not to have holes drilled. Also, heard that the oil dripping out initially is rather annoying. Any comments?


I used it for a few years but the dripping and pooling of fluids in low points of the car were a problem.

Got checked at border into US once and the customs officers saw about 2 inches of fluid in the trunk wells on either side of the spare under the carpet and were pretty excited at first until I figured out it was accumulated spray.

[ImJJ]

ackerK;7159338']...pay $109...
...rust proofing once at dealership...

I think enough ppl in this forum have complained about rust proofing at dealership...about how dealer just do the inspection by "looking", the diffculty to actually make a claim...etc

My logic is 109/year, that's about 10 bucks per month, you get a whole body rust proof that works so you don't have to worry...VS somethin' that many ppl say doesn't work...

[[H]ackerK]

Humm.. ok. I have just checked another option. There is a garage and the owner that I know of for the past 18 or so years. I called the owner up and asked him about rust proofing. He said he can get it done for $150, which include the tar like black stuff for under the car. And some yellowish oil base stuff for the door panels. He said there is no need to go back every year.

Is this the same (or better) stuff that dealer trying to charge me an arm and leg for?

May not be as good as Krown (which I am still unsure why it need to reapply every year) but I think is about the right price...

Comments?

[Jucius Maximus]

ackerK;7168861']Humm.. ok. I have just checked another option. There is a garage and the owner that I know of for the past 18 or so years. I called the owner up and asked him about rust proofing. He said he can get it done for $150, which include the tar like black stuff for under the car. And some yellowish oil base stuff for the door panels. He said there is no need to go back every year.

Is this the same (or better) stuff that dealer trying to charge me an arm and leg for?

May not be as good as Krown (which I am still unsure why it need to reapply every year) but I think is about the right price...

Comments?

1. Depending on who the dealer's supplier is, this might be the same or might be different from what the dealer offers.

2. As for why Krown needs to be applied every year and why the tar stuff is ineffective, that information is contained in this thread.

[[H]ackerK]

1. Depending on who the dealer's supplier is, this might be the same or might be different from what the dealer offers.

2. As for why Krown needs to be applied every year and why the tar stuff is ineffective, that information is contained in this thread.

Yes I have read sbout why the tar like stuff is ineffective, but yet I haven't see the reason why Krown needed to reapply every year (other than warranty related)

Sorry, I sounded like a pest, but somehow Krown or any rust proofing still not very convincing.

[bobby5]

ackerK;7170088']... I haven't see the reason why Krown needed to reapply every year (other than warranty related)

With such harsh weather conditions we have here, the oil will slowly be displaced by water/evaporation, or just worn/scrubbed away by salt/debris

[Edirol]

I was looking into this also.

On the autoshop program yesterday on pulse24 with carhelpcanada.com as guests, they recommend getting rustproofing every 2 years. The person suggested either krown or rustcheck.

Though it seems if you go every 2 years, you don't get the warranty. Also getting rustproofing doesn't invalidate the factory rust warranty even though the manual says it will (apparently).

Maybe rust proofing isn't even that necessary nowadays. Anyone out there with a 10 year old car that hasn't ever been rustproofed in Ontario?

- Edirol

[Jucius Maximus]

ackerK;7170088']Yes I have read sbout why the tar like stuff is ineffective, but yet I haven't see the reason why Krown needed to reapply every year (other than warranty related)

Sorry, I sounded like a pest, but somehow Krown or any rust proofing still not very convincing.

My understanding is that Krown soaks into the metal and forms a kind of protective barrier that repels moisture. It continually creeps by surface tension and replaces itself in any area where it gets rubbed off. However with continual exposure to water and the elements over the course of a year, the coating wears down and there's not enough of itself to fully creep over the car. That's why it needs to be re-applied every year.

I know there's lots of snake oil automotive products out there, but in my opinion this is one of the actually good products that does what it purports to do. Krown is the only rust proofing endorsed by the CAA and APA, and lots of personal testimony from many people can relate to how it does actually work at preventing rust in the long term.

[Tolo]

Crazy question:

Will spraying a 5 year old vehicle slow down/stop further rust?

[ES_Revenge]

Crazy question:

Will spraying a 5 year old vehicle slow down/stop further rust?

Nothing will really stop it, but it will slow it down, yes.

[Whitedart]

Crazy question:

Will spraying a 5 year old vehicle slow down/stop further rust?

It would not hurt the car any, and may help to preserve what is currently present.

[gordholio]

I'm going to an independent garage in Midland this September and just getting an oil spray for $55.

[josipm]

ackerK;7168861']Humm.. ok. I have just checked another option. There is a garage and the owner that I know of for the past 18 or so years. I called the owner up and asked him about rust proofing. He said he can get it done for $150, which include the tar like black stuff for under the car. And some yellowish oil base stuff for the door panels. He said there is no need to go back every year.

Is this the same (or better) stuff that dealer trying to charge me an arm and leg for?

May not be as good as Krown (which I am still unsure why it need to reapply every year) but I think is about the right price...

Comments?

What's the name of your garage and where is it that does the black tar stuff?
. I have had it on my car for 14 years and no problems underneath. I have removed some of the black tar just to see if it rusts on the weld spots and so far no rust.

[KorruptioN]

I'm going to an independent garage in Midland this September and just getting an oil spray for $55.

Oil-spray? Krown style?

[chadw01]

Crazy question:

Will spraying a 5 year old vehicle slow down/stop further rust?

You cannot stop rust once it has started - by the time you see it forming, it's often too late to do anything about it unless it's very superficial and you can sand it down and fix it yourself.

As for slowing it down, yes, spraying does help..

[pseudo]

does krown void the cars warranty?

[[H]ackerK]

I'm going to an independent garage in Midland this September and just getting an oil spray for $55.

More details please! Is $55 just for the doors?

[[H]ackerK]

does krown void the cars warranty?

I think most people say it doesn't void warranty.

And in order for warranty repair, dealer said it has to be rust thru (i.e. make a thru hole) before they will fix it. Just rust is not cover.

[Jucius Maximus]

ackerK;7175261']I think most people say it doesn't void warranty.

And in order for warranty repair, dealer said it has to be rust thru (i.e. make a thru hole) before they will fix it. Just rust is not cover.

Krown does not void the warranty. However some new car salespeople will lie to you about that in order to sell you their own high-markup product.

[dealmeone]

When I took my car to Krown in Pickering, the job they did absolutly sucked. They did not spray the underbody adequately (if at all). Any time I took it in for an oil change after that time, I was always told that I should think about having the car rustproofed, whcih is supposedly what Krown did. Obviously not good enough. The job is only as good as the person who does it. Krown is just another name, like so many thousands of others out there. Needless to say, I never took my car back there again.

[dealmeone]

REG'S AutoRefinishing in Scarborough uses a thicker version of their rustproofing on the underbody of the car so that it doesn't just run off when it gets wet. You can also have that applied to the rest of the car (dripless rustproofing). My car is now 13 years old and is spotless. I bought it 3 years ago and started having it sprayed yearly since then.

[nornet]

When I took my car to Krown in Pickering, the job they did absolutly sucked. They did not spray the underbody adequately (if at all). Any time I took it in for an oil change after that time, I was always told that I should think about having the car rustproofed, whcih is supposedly what Krown did. Obviously not good enough. The job is only as good as the person who does it. Krown is just another name, like so many thousands of others out there. Needless to say, I never took my car back there again.

Krown is a franchise operation. You should call head office and complain about the franchisee.

[DaVibe]

2001 Oldsmobile Alero. No idea if rust treatment was ever a consideration of the previous owner (I doubt it) but debating whether to get this done or not for the first time ... especially considering I can see rust on the edges of my hood (front) and very slowly, under the doors.

Bump for a great thread.

[KrownLakeshore]

like mentioned above, yes you can call headoffice and complaint, the job needs to be done right, every single time,
cheers,

[nguyentri]

Glad to see someone from Krown here.
I saw this on Krown's website (http://www.krown.com/warranty.php) regarding their warranty

"If any of the above perforates by rusting thru, from the inside out, we will repair/replace them at No Charge, up to the then current cash value of the vehicle as determined by us according to the Red Book."

So what happens if rusts happens from the outside in? Or does this not happen? If not, then why the clause?

[KrownLakeshore]

as you have read the warranty, you can notice that is not something that a lawyer needs to process for someone to understand it, its only a couple of paragraphs.

as to your question, the reason they have to have that in the agreement is, due to the fact that we can not be held liable for rust proofing happening from the outside in.
does it happen?
yes!,
How?
the perfect example is stone chips, or a dent, or a slight fender bender, if the actual metal is exposed, to moisture by any of the above mentioned it will actually begin to create surface rust within days.
i am sure you have noticed a stone chip where has gone to the metal and rust has started to develop.
another reason is for manufactures poor design, alot of vehicles have moldings and trims that actually hold water and debris, and over years rust results.
all though we rust proof the vehicles on the exterior as well, such as door handles and around trim, and etc.
rust developing from such nature it is not the fault of our product or process, but rather improper design, and/or what i mentioned previously,
i hope this helps you a little
if you have any further questions do not hesitate to contact us.
warmest regards,
Igor and KrownLakeshore,

[Dough]

Question about the process...

Are any old products washed off prior to apply Krown?

How are year applications done? If the product is still there 12 months later, whats happening, is it just being sprayed on top?

Also, I am guessing this is the case but jsut want to make sure, does Krown leave grease on the trunk lid edge, bottoms of doors?

[Jucius Maximus]

Question about the process...

Are any old products washed off prior to apply Krown?

How are year applications done? If the product is still there 12 months later, whats happening, is it just being sprayed on top?

Also, I am guessing this is the case but jsut want to make sure, does Krown leave grease on the trunk lid edge, bottoms of doors?
They do not remove other rustproofing stuff. They just apply it on top and it soaks through.

If/when you come back after 12 months, they do a complete fresh application as if the car had never been krowned before. The thing to remember here is that krown's spray does not harden or stay put like a grease. It is always fluid, always creeping across your car's frame through surface tension. The re-application is sort of like a re-charge to make sure there is a plentiful amount of it around the frame.

All around your car's exterior there will initially be excess amount of the oil. It will drip for a few days, but some claim it drops for longer. Mine was done dripping after 3.5 days. It is not a grease though. And you'll get it on your hands/clothes at first if you're not careful. Just wash the car after a few days and you should be good.

[dcue]

newbie question here...

I have a 10 year old car, still in good condition, which i got almost a couple of years ago, w/ no rust on exterior although i'm not sure about the insides... I'm maintaining my car very well, and I'm toying about the idea of getting it rust proofed as well... so my question is, is it worth rust proofing my old car say if (most likely) the insides would've prolly started to rust by now? I'm not sure if the previous owner did any rust proofing, so i'm at a loss here...

[Jucius Maximus]

I have a 10 year old car, still in good condition, which i got almost a couple of years ago, w/ no rust on exterior although i'm not sure about the insides... I'm maintaining my car very well, and I'm toying about the idea of getting it rust proofed as well... so my question is, is it worth rust proofing my old car say if (most likely) the insides would've prolly started to rust by now? I'm not sure if the previous owner did any rust proofing, so i'm at a loss here...

Look for the little rubber caps about the size of a quarter visible around the edges of the doors and rocker panels when you open the doors. That is evidence of previous Krown rust proofing.

For a 10 year old car that was driven in winter and not rust proofed before ... the damage is probably already done. Only if you're planning on keeping it another 4-5 years would I get it Krowned.

[Odd I/O]

Look for the little rubber caps about the size of a quarter visible around the edges of the doors and rocker panels when you open the doors. That is evidence of previous Krown rust proofing.

For a 10 year old car that was driven in winter and not rust proofed before ... the damage is probably already done. Only if you're planning on keeping it another 4-5 years would I get it Krowned.

Hi

Do I need to do anything to prep the car before taking it to Krown? Like giving it a good washing? Or will Krown be responsible for preparing the vehicle (any washing/cleaning of surfaces etc...) prior to them applying the rust proofing material?

[KrownLakeshore]

maximus
pretty much answered the few questions,

as for washing the car prior an application.

some people do some people dont, if the car is being driven in the city, and driven like most people , and away from construction, or cottages and etc. you do not have to wash you vehicle, believe it or not it is pretty clean underneath,
the only time we ask people to wash their vehicles before coming in, is if they live in new home developments or they work in landscaping, or construction, then it would be a great idea to go to a coin car wash, and spray around the wheel wells and the undercarriage as much as you can.

we do not wash the cars prior rust proofing, especially this time of the year,
when salt and ice is already on the road, if needed that is when we do,
after rust proofing your vehicle, we give you a car wash as well, more as a courtesy to clean up your windows and doors so you safely drive away, and not get messy,
i hope that helps,
cheers,
Igor and KrownLakeshore,

[bwong]

ackerK;7144034']Humm.. still debating if I should do it at Krown or at dealership.

At dealership, they said they (or Diamond Kote?) can reapply them for me when I take my car in for service. And is no extra charge. And they will give me the clear coat paint protection for free. (I wonder if I can even see the 'clear coat'..)

However, from what I read, Krown seems to be better stuff because it is more water like and can seal all the cracks..

And frankly, most 'newer' cars I have seen on the road rarely even rust...

Most of new car dealership are asking $700 for rustproofing nowadays. I wonder they have a rustproofing section/department themselves. I guess they usually get the vehicles done by third party and making profit margin of 50% or more.

[KrownLakeshore]

please people whatever you do, do not waste your money,
especially this time and age, with the internet and all, you can virtually find out everything and anything.

save your money, rust proof your vehicle with people that have been doing it for years,

some dealerships do it on premises , most sub contract, as we do it for several as them,
and as for mark up, 50 percent, not even close my friend, try about 500percent mark up,
the choice is yours,
do your homework, before you spend your hard earned money,
cheers,

[gamer123]

krown are you able to offer a group buy? a competitor of yours set one up in the bst forum

[pseudo]

to krownlakeshore.

i had my car krowned 2 months ago and it still drips upto this day. If it stops dripping does this mean the car is LESS protected?

does pressure washer remove the krown application? I wash the undercarriage of my car every month to remove salt. Is that a bad idea?

[Jucius Maximus]

krown are you able to offer a group buy? a competitor of yours set one up in the bst forum
Krown Lakeshore already offers discounts for many forums.

[DaVibe]

to krownlakeshore.

i had my car krowned 2 months ago and it still drips upto this day. If it stops dripping does this mean the car is LESS protected?

does pressure washer remove the krown application? I wash the undercarriage of my car every month to remove salt. Is that a bad idea?

That's a question I have as well ... I like to keep my car clean and wash it often in the winter, because of the salt and snow ...
Maybe every week, if not more. Curious to hear if that hurts the protection.

[KrownLakeshore]

actually having it drip for that long is awesome, it tends to happen once in a while, even though it has been sprayed that long ago, it still may drip here and there,
that usually happens when we have change in temperatures as we have been having lately,
when its warmer the oil tends to keep traveling in all crevices and seems that havent been reached before,

we encourage you wash the vehicle, periodically during winter,
going to a coin wash its the best way, for couple of dollars, down spray all the salt off the vehicle,
including the wheel wells, and as much as possible from the undercarriage of the car.

someone also asked a question for a group buy , to compete with our competitor,
you are more then welcome to contact me for a group buy, if you wanna set one up, by all means go ahead,
i am not sure who the other company is,
but people that visited our center, can vouch what we are all about,
cheers everyone,

[pseudo]

we encourage you wash the vehicle, periodically during winter,
going to a coin wash its the best way, for couple of dollars, down spray all the salt off the vehicle,
including the wheel wells, and as much as possible from the undercarriage of the car.


OK but does that remove the krown oil ?

[KrownLakeshore]

no it does not, however do not wash the car in that way for the first week or so after the rust proofing application,
cheers,
KrownLakeshore,

[gc99]

....someone also asked a question for a group buy , to compete with our competitor,
you are more then welcome to contact me for a group buy...

Add me in for a group buy! What kind of discounted pricing can we get?
anyone else interested?

[ephemera]

add me in for a group buy! whoo hoo...

[KrownLakeshore]

hi everyone,
we are here to help out answer all questions and concerns that people may have in this world of automotive care and electronics.
we can not set up a group buy, if someone wants to do it, they are more then welcome, by contacting us, and as long is ok with admins, and moderators, we have no problem in doing so,
cheers,
have a great weekend!!!

[gamer123]

how much of a discount are we looking at for a group buy?

[KorruptioN]

Much thanks to KrownLakeshore for having a presence here on the forums. Makes me feel much better putting some money down to protect my car over the winter. Lots of information to be had.

One thing I wasn't aware of was that you needed an appointment! I went to the Concord location (supposedly the HQ) and I booked one in for November 22nd, about two weeks away.

[KrownLakeshore]

you are welcome guys,
glad to see , doing the right thing, and sticking with the rust proofing specialists,
noone does what we do, noone,
cheers,

[jjpun]

any one experience fine details for rust proofing??

http://www.finedetails.ca

[DaVibe]

Just wanted to say thanks to Krown Lakeshore.

Squeezed my car in today for the rust proofing treatment and I can virtually see (under the car, tirewalls, front of the car) all the places it was applied.
Well done. I look forward to making it yearly.

Everyone had so many good things to say about the staff, I decided to take my car specifically to this location, even though I live in North York.
So, you guys can figure out if it's worth your time and money.

Does your car matter to you? Alright then.
Krown Lakeshore.

[KrownLakeshore]

thank you for coming,
i trust we exceeded all of your expectations,
thank you,
Krown Lakeshore,