teens dined and dashed at our restaurant

[yawn]

we own a diner. there's this guy who is no more than 21 years old who came to eat last week with a girl. he asked if he had enough for a meal with 10$ ("because that's all he had"), and we were like yea. they ate and they were at the door leaving while they thought we were "too busy" to notice. we yelled at them to stop and the guy was like "oh I didn't pay yet?"... shut up, check your pocket to see if your "$10" is still there and you would know!!! maybe it was a honest mistake, but it didn't seem like it because the acting was so bad!

anyway, he came again with another girl today... i should have made them pay before! they ate and left without paying!!! this time they ran! but we got their license plate with the help of another customer. we called and reported it to the cops. i hope the cop will track them down. although the bill is only 10.30$, it makes me very angry!!! and he should be taught a lesson!!!! who the heck eats and leave a family-owned diner?? what is the law consequence of dining without paying, by the way? what should i do the next time he comes to the restaurant?? are we legally allow to not take his order??? next time i will refuse him and take his picture! i just want him to feel humiliated! no way will i allow him to step in our restaurant again!

cheap bastard!!!

[monty613]

I can't believe you served him if you recognized he left without paying last time.

If he comes in again tell him to f##k off. if he gives you any lip take him outside and show him what it's like...

[czhe]

Poison their food.

[alv077]

Might not want to put his picture up in a location where other customers can see it though. I'm pretty sure there could be legal problems for you if you do so

[JAGpilot]

You had to register just to post this? LOL and of course you had to add that they were teens. Well for your information, I'm a teen and I have never dined and dashed. So keep your agism to yourself and don't make an account on a message board to put down an age group.

Who dines and dashes at a family owned restaurant? A greedy, selfish person who would do it at any restaurant. Especially since he did it twice and came in with two different girls I doubt this guy is anything short of "low class".

[kunjar]

You had to register just to post this? LOL and of course you had to add that they were teens. Well for your information, I'm a teen and I have never dined and dashed. So keep your agism to yourself and don't make an account on a message board to put down an age group.

Who dines and dashes at a family owned restaurant? A greedy, selfish person who would do it at any restaurant. Especially since he did it twice and came in with two different girls I doubt this guy is anything short of "low class".

join date: august 2007

[yawn]

Lol. No, I didn't registered today to post this. It's actually my first post after joining since last year or something like that. I guess I just needed to vent! And I don't even know why I called him a teen or sounded like I was using ageism. Because I am 21 years old myself. Ok, I meant to say young adult man in my topic title... but then you would say i am putting down another age group. I don't mean to. I really don't mean to put anybody down but him. I don't think everyone is like him.

And I guess I am kidding about the picture-taking... I won't do it.

:)

[Sprite_TM]

just refuse to serve him and ask him to leave the restaurant or u'll call the cops but i'll doubt he'll come back since he didnt pay and i doubt the police will do anything for a measly 10 dollars.

he'll probably get his friends to dine at ur restaurant and dash out like he did

[jp06]

Might not want to put his picture up in a location where other customers can see it though. I'm pretty sure there could be legal problems for you if you do so

i remember a highend jeans store posted pics of shoplifters on their wall. Isn't that the same thing?

[Emancipated]

Are you Chinese or of Asian extract? I kept getting the image of a "Mr. Lee" yelling and screaming about how cheap bastard eat your food and not pay in that Seinfeld overtone.

Anyway, it's a private business and you can deny anyone you like. Punks today though; they could come backand vandalize your business if it's the wrong person you've crossed.

[Hybrid88]

Alright... let us know where your place is and what food you serve and RFD members in the Montreal area will come in support.

we own a diner. there's this guy who is no more than 21 years old who came to eat last week with a girl. he asked if he had enough for a meal with 10$ ("because that's all he had"), and we were like yea. they ate and they were at the door leaving while they thought we were "too busy" to notice. we yelled at them to stop and the guy was like "oh I didn't pay yet?"... shut up, check your pocket to see if your "$10" is still there and you would know!!! maybe it was a honest mistake, but it didn't seem like it because the acting was so bad!

anyway, he came again with another girl today... i should have made them pay before! they ate and left without paying!!! this time they ran! but we got their license plate with the help of another customer. we called and reported it to the cops. i hope the cop will track them down. although the bill is only 10.30$, it makes me very angry!!! and he should be taught a lesson!!!! who the heck eats and leave a family-owned diner?? what is the law consequence of dining without paying, by the way? what should i do the next time he comes to the restaurant?? are we legally allow to not take his order??? next time i will refuse him and take his picture! i just want him to feel humiliated! no way will i allow him to step in our restaurant again!

cheap bastard!!!

[soupnazi]

Poison their food.

Awesome!:cheesygri

Joking aside, I hope the cops catch that bum.

[theurbancanadian]

It sucks and best of luck to you OP but you topped off a great day because your rant was funny as hell. Knowing bums in Montreal, they'll probably be brave enough to come back and act like nothing happened. Please keep us updated if they do.

[theurbancanadian]

why does this matter? its like asking if the dashers were black or dark skinned....

Another 5 star post.

[UrbanPoet]

thats terrible. Anyways... the dine and dash is theft. He'll get in a good amount of trouble for such a silly thing.......

Imagine that... getting booked b/c you couldnt shell out $15-$20 for you and your girl to eat... =\

[sPiKyAZN]

i remember a highend jeans store posted pics of shoplifters on their wall. Isn't that the same thing?

I think I know which store you're talking about downtown, its totally in plain view at the front door! I think in most retail stores photos of thieves are marked for internal use only and aren't meant to be in plain view.

But the OP's story sucks. That guy has absolutely no class, I hope he got hit by a truck after driving off. If he comes back you should call the cops right away.

[Sepiraph]

Serve their food /w the secret sauce next time ...

[SirAlain]

You had to register just to post this? LOL and of course you had to add that they were teens. Well for your information, I'm a teen and I have never dined and dashed. So keep your agism to yourself and don't make an account on a message board to put down an age group.

Like, totally, what-EVAR!

[Alvito]

You need to Bas Rutten this punk the next time he runs. Break a beer bottle and go after him.

Like you said, its only 10 bucks. It hurts the business a little, just don't serve this guy. He is ******** to dine and dash with a bill of just 10 bucks lol.

[jadoocian]

do like johnny depp in sweeny toddd ;)
in case you haven't seen the movie, ill simplify the process for u here

1. catch him next time he's around
2. kidnap and take him downstairs.
3. kill him
4. chop him up in to little pieces
5. add to favourite soup
6. add any other spices and goods (optional)
7. stir
8. serve to customers


:)

good luck and happy dining.

[GangStarr]

Might not want to put his picture up in a location where other customers can see it though. I'm pretty sure there could be legal problems for you if you do so

I know of one corner store that does this. They actually post pictures of people in the process of stealing, with close ups of their face. The first time I saw it I commented to the owners that it was a good idea.


Little bit of public humiliation is fair enough for stealing from a small business owner.

[alv077]

I agree that it is a good idea and the kids deserve it... but just thought it would be a good idea to make sure it is safe.

You can't be too sure about things like this when burglars can trip inside a person's home and successfully sue them. It's a crazy and messed up world.

[Shaner]

The police will absolutely try to track these people down and charge them with theft. It will only take seconds to track a license plate to an address. It's not a time consuming process by any means. If the police can be sure that the people who own the vehicle are the same people who dined and dashed, they will charge them.

As for denying them service, yes, you can legally do that. As long as you're not denying them service based on sex, religion, race, etc. then it's perfectly legal. In this case, you're denying those specific people service based on past behaviour in your establishment. That's perfectly legal.

[RenegadeX]

Who the heck eats and leave a family-owned diner??Kids on a lark or bet, and low-lifes. It's one thing talking about it and joking about doing it, it's another thing actually doing it. It seems many teens regard stealing food in this manner on a one-off or occasional spur-of-the-moment deed 'less serous' than stealing items on a shelf at a retail store. Sad..
what is the law consequence of dining without paying, by the way?Unless the customer has committed an obvious fraud (attempting to pay with counterfeit money or using a stolen credit card, for example), until the 'customer' physically leaves the building without paying, no law has been broken (though you can certainly stop them before they exit and ask them to pay their bill). Which sucks because it gives the dine'n'dasher spotted making his way to the exit the easy "I was looking for the washroom but got lost" excuse. "My girlfriend too, funny how coincidences happen sometimes!"

Once they've left the premises, their behaviour contravenes Section 364 of the Canadian Criminal Code, which, like "Theft under $5000"(Section 334) is a summary conviction offence. As such, the perpetrator cannot be arrested for this charge - and penalty, if found guilty in a court of law is --from Section 787-- "liable to a fine of not more than two thousand dollars or to imprisonment for six months or to both"

http://www.canlii.net/ca/sta/c-46/sec364.html

Criminal Code
PART IX: OFFENCES AGAINST RIGHTS OF PROPERTY
False Pretences:

Fraudulently obtaining food, beverage or accommodation
364. (1) Every one who fraudulently obtains food, a beverage or accommodation at any place that is in the business of providing those things is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Presumption
(2) In proceedings under this section, evidence that the accused obtained food, a beverage or accommodation at a place that is in the business of providing those things and did not pay for it and (a) made a false or fictitious show or pretence of having baggage,
(b) had any false or pretended baggage,
(c) surreptitiously removed or attempted to remove his baggage or any material part of it,
(d) absconded or surreptitiously left the premises,
(e) knowingly made a false statement to obtain credit or time for payment, or
(f) offered a worthless cheque, draft or security in payment for the food, beverage or accommodation,

is, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, proof of fraud.R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 364; 1994, c. 44, s. 23. what should i do the next time he comes to the restaurant?? are we legally allow to not take his order??? next time i will refuse him and take his picture! i just want him to feel humiliated! no way will i allow him to step in our restaurant again!

cheap bastard!!!What Shaner says above is correct, however it's worth noting as an FYI for readers from other provinces that had your province got a Trespass to Property Act (like Ontario's (http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/t-21/20040802/whole.html)), you could simply issue a trespassing notice (either verbally or in writing), and he could be arrested if he returned after that and refused to leave. But in Quebec, there is no trespassing law as such, so I don't know exactly what you can or can't do to prevent 'undesirables' from coming onto your property. You'll have to find someone who knows Quebec law...

[Paolo]

pm me his licence plate number i will tell u where he lives, then mail the bill to his house COD... and let him pay the price. post it up on googlle to.. embarass that F***ker

[ullyeus]

I wouldn't know...but isn't this a relatively common thing for diners? I am not defending the theif...but am surprised the OP took it so personally....I would have thought this happens a few times a month and is a cost of doing business.

[George W. Bush]

Poison their food.

Good idea.

[flexwong]

next time he comes in, get your toughest looking chef to come out holding a huge ass butchers knife or w/e and just tell him to fck off.

[yawn]

Hi guys!

He paid!

I went to work today and parked behind a red car. I was about to walk away when I remembered the license plate my mother told me last night. I went back and checked ... and what do you know... it was the same car!

There's a pawn shop near the restaurant, I saw him through the windows. I don't think he saw me but anyway... At the restaurant, I told my father that the guy was at the pawnshop. By the way, my father and the guy never met before. My father went to see him.... apparently, all he had to do was go in the pawn shop with his arms crossed and look at the guy without saying a word. The guy stumbled and said he knows that he owes us money and that he'll pay up. It's funny, theyve never met before but I think it was logical because we are the only asians in that town (u are correct, we are asian but no, not chinese, Emancipated. :P ) (Oh and we sell diner food: hamburgers, hot dogs, frites, poutines, etc... Odd, huh?)

The guy came to the restaurant and paid us 10$ with a twenty dollar bill. We ignored the 30cents because the guy didn't want any change and wanted a 10$ bill in return. Whatever! He can keep his 30 cents!

Anyway, so that's the end of that!

Oh, and about pressing charge, yesterday, when the operator/cop asked if we wanted to press charge against him, my mother told them no, she only wanted him to be warned. I guess she is right. It isn't that big of a deal. I wonder if they stopped him yesterday. Poor guy.

you know what, ullyeus, I don't know why I took it so personally. I guess it is because it never happened to me before and rarely, rarely, do we have trouble-makers at our restaurant.
It's not located in the city Montreal. It is located about 45 mins away, in a town called St-Jean-Sur-Richelieu. Yea, you montrealers must be like where.t.f. is that! :)

Anyway, take care guys! you rock!!! gotta go water the grass seeds!

[rfdrfd]

Good to hear.

[Sheky]

Serve their food /w the secret sauce next time ...

+1

Definitely one up the poison suggestion with cream of sum yung gai.

[joeym]

+1

Definitely one up the poison suggestion with cream of sum yung gai.

everybody loves the secret sauce! :cheesygri

[st7860]

mcdonalds?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secret+sauce

[sockhead]

that's south of montreal right? i know a guy who went to uqam there

Hi guys!

He paid!

I went to work today and parked behind a red car. I was about to walk away when I remembered the license plate my mother told me last night. I went back and checked ... and what do you know... it was the same car!

There's a pawn shop near the restaurant, I saw him through the windows. I don't think he saw me but anyway... At the restaurant, I told my father that the guy was at the pawnshop. By the way, my father and the guy never met before. My father went to see him.... apparently, all he had to do was go in the pawn shop with his arms crossed and look at the guy without saying a word. The guy stumbled and said he knows that he owes us money and that he'll pay up. It's funny, theyve never met before but I think it was logical because we are the only asians in that town (u are correct, we are asian but no, not chinese, Emancipated. :P ) (Oh and we sell diner food: hamburgers, hot dogs, frites, poutines, etc... Odd, huh?)

The guy came to the restaurant and paid us 10$ with a twenty dollar bill. We ignored the 30cents because the guy didn't want any change and wanted a 10$ bill in return. Whatever! He can keep his 30 cents!

Anyway, so that's the end of that!

Oh, and about pressing charge, yesterday, when the operator/cop asked if we wanted to press charge against him, my mother told them no, she only wanted him to be warned. I guess she is right. It isn't that big of a deal. I wonder if they stopped him yesterday. Poor guy.

you know what, ullyeus, I don't know why I took it so personally. I guess it is because it never happened to me before and rarely, rarely, do we have trouble-makers at our restaurant.
It's not located in the city Montreal. It is located about 45 mins away, in a town called St-Jean-Sur-Richelieu. Yea, you montrealers must be like where.t.f. is that! :)

Anyway, take care guys! you rock!!! gotta go water the grass seeds!

[help_questions]

Hi guys!

He paid!

I went to work today and parked behind a red car. I was about to walk away when I remembered the license plate my mother told me last night. I went back and checked ... and what do you know... it was the same car!

There's a pawn shop near the restaurant, I saw him through the windows. I don't think he saw me but anyway... At the restaurant, I told my father that the guy was at the pawnshop. By the way, my father and the guy never met before. My father went to see him.... apparently, all he had to do was go in the pawn shop with his arms crossed and look at the guy without saying a word. The guy stumbled and said he knows that he owes us money and that he'll pay up. It's funny, theyve never met before but I think it was logical because we are the only asians in that town (u are correct, we are asian but no, not chinese, Emancipated. :P ) (Oh and we sell diner food: hamburgers, hot dogs, frites, poutines, etc... Odd, huh?)

The guy came to the restaurant and paid us 10$ with a twenty dollar bill. We ignored the 30cents because the guy didn't want any change and wanted a 10$ bill in return. Whatever! He can keep his 30 cents!

Anyway, so that's the end of that!

Oh, and about pressing charge, yesterday, when the operator/cop asked if we wanted to press charge against him, my mother told them no, she only wanted him to be warned. I guess she is right. It isn't that big of a deal. I wonder if they stopped him yesterday. Poor guy.

you know what, ullyeus, I don't know why I took it so personally. I guess it is because it never happened to me before and rarely, rarely, do we have trouble-makers at our restaurant.
It's not located in the city Montreal. It is located about 45 mins away, in a town called St-Jean-Sur-Richelieu. Yea, you montrealers must be like where.t.f. is that! :)

Anyway, take care guys! you rock!!! gotta go water the grass seeds!

so this guy steals from you, and gets off with paying you back....
he is a thief...
you should have called the police and told them you know where the thief is
if he offered to give you some compensation for you inconvience in addition to the money owed, then maybe forgiveness is justified. but in this case, you dad has to go to him before the thief rectified the situation. what if your dad didn't go over....do you think he would have come to your restaurant next and pay you back.
IMO, you made a mistake, as this thief got off easy and will either do this again to someone else....maybe even you guys again.
what did you get for your compassion....nothing at all.

[killoverme]

i would be tempted to press charges, that would hurt him a lot, since he might have a criminal record.

[Lava]

IMO, you made a mistake, as this thief got off easy and will either do this again to someone else....maybe even you guys again.
what did you get for your compassion....nothing at all.

I totally agree, you may have solved the problem in your restaurant, but what is going to stop him from going to another restaurant and doing the same thing? Personally, i think you should have pressed charges, he may get a criminal record, but that is what criminals get. He isn't stealing that much, but if he continues, it will add up. A fine or jail time will probably stop him from dining-n-dashing again.

If you decide to serve him again, and he does the same thing, definitely press charges.

[pipolchap]

I totally agree, you may have solved the problem in your restaurant, but what is going to stop him from going to another restaurant and doing the same thing? Personally, i think you should have pressed charges, he may get a criminal record, but that is what criminals get. He isn't stealing that much, but if he continues, it will add up. A fine or jail time will probably stop him from dining-n-dashing again.

If you decide to serve him again, and he does the same thing, definitely press charges.

I think the OP (and family) handled the situation with class. In the grand scheme of things, it was only $10. No one deserves a criminal record for life over $10. With the police warning, hopefully the kid learned something.

OP, I wish you and your family some good karma. FYI, my parents owned a diner once. If there's ever a recession, restaurants get hit first. I don't want your family to go through what my parents went through in the early 90s.

[st7860]

I totally agree, you may have solved the problem in your restaurant, but what is going to stop him from going to another restaurant and doing the same thing? Personally, i think you should have pressed charges, he may get a criminal record, but that is what criminals get. He isn't stealing that much, but if he continues, it will add up. A fine or jail time will probably stop him from dining-n-dashing again.

If you decide to serve him again, and he does the same thing, definitely press charges.

+1

[Tomato_1]

I think the OP (and family) handled the situation with class. In the grand scheme of things, it was only $10. No one deserves a criminal record for life over $10. With the police warning, hopefully the kid learned something.

OP, I wish you and your family some good karma. FYI, my parents owned a diner once. If there's ever a recession, restaurants get hit first. I don't want your family to go through what my parents went through in the early 90s.

+1. Let's not forget if you do press charges this punk kid could end up throwing a brick through your windows and causing some stupid ****. No need to go all nuclear over a $10. I understand I would be pissed too.

[UrbanPoet]

+1. Let's not forget if you do press charges this punk kid could end up throwing a brick through your windows and causing some stupid ****. No need to go all nuclear over a $10. I understand I would be pissed too.

Then the owner would know EXACTLY who did it and have some pretty good motives to use as evidence...

[UncleSteve]

Y'all do realize that criminal charges are laid by the Crown, as in the Crown Attorney's Office together with the police? Since he already paid the 10 bucks that he owed, probably the worst thing at this point that would happen to him is have Officer Friendly go and have a little chat with him, and remind him that what he did was bone-headed and that he better make sure to not repeat in the future.

[whampoa]

mcdonalds?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secret+sauce

I believe everyone in this thread meant the other unmentionable secret sauce.

The one McD and other don't want to tell in front of you.

[st7860]

I believe everyone in this thread meant the other unmentionable secret sauce.

The one McD and other don't want to tell in front of you.

oh, you mean pirates of the caribbean. i get it!

[maidennomore]

I believe everyone in this thread meant the other unmentionable secret sauce.



Santorum?

;)

[help_questions]

I think the OP (and family) handled the situation with class. In the grand scheme of things, it was only $10. No one deserves a criminal record for life over $10. With the police warning, hopefully the kid learned something.

OP, I wish you and your family some good karma. FYI, my parents owned a diner once. If there's ever a recession, restaurants get hit first. I don't want your family to go through what my parents went through in the early 90s.

Absolutely...the OP and his family did handle this situation with class. and yes it was only $10 dollars.

However, I feel that thieves do not deserve to be treated with class. you say no one deserves a criminal record over $10.....well this guy does...not because of anything other than HE STOLE.....he deserves to go to be subjected to the full wrath of the law. he is a criminal and should be treated like one.