Battlestar Galactica | S04 Discussion | Returns April 4th

[ipxxx]

"What the frak" Battlestar Galactica recap
- I personally like this recap and found it funny at points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grfI3Yv6T0Q

Promo picture for Battlestar Galactica

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=564909

Fri. March 28, 2008
-- 10 pm "Battlestar Galactica: Revealed" airs on Sci Fi Channel (half-hour recap of the 1st 3 seasons and "Razor")
-- 10:30 pm "Battlestar Galactica: The Phenomenon" airs on Sci Fi Channel (half-hour special that examines the critical acclaim and positive fan response toward the series)

Fri. Apr. 4, 2008
-- 10 pm "He That Believeth In Me" premieres on Sci Fi Channel (the first regular episode of Season 4)

TV.com link (http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003-blog/bsg-returns-mar.-28-with-two-special-features-season-4-premieres-apr.-4/topic/77968-989358/show_blog_entry.html?topic_id=989358&tag=blog;title;0)

[lip1978]

Bump - Anyone know if it's being shown in HD anywhere?

[snplow]

I'm getting excited for this!

[rfdrfd]

I'm so excited!! Just can't hide it !!

[rfdrfd]

"What the frak" Battlestar Galactica recap
- I personally like this recap and found it funny at points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grfI3Yv6T0Q

Promo picture for Battlestar Galactica

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=564909



TV.com link (http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003-blog/bsg-returns-mar.-28-with-two-special-features-season-4-premieres-apr.-4/topic/77968-989358/show_blog_entry.html?topic_id=989358&tag=blog;title;0)

LOL, that Youtube recap is fraking great !!

[MISsupport]

Bump - Anyone know if it's being shown in HD anywhere?

I think Space must own the first rights so no HD in Canada.

[Talamasca]

I just finished watching Season 3 last night and can't wait for S4. I've only seen the show on DVD up until now.

[jcoltage]

why has it not leaked!!!

[flyman]

why has it not leaked!!!

HAHA ... reminds me of when 24 s6 was leaked!

You guys know that SciFi release two pre-season specials for BSG right?

[gflux]

After weeks of seeing these previews on Space and features on Hypaspace, I'm totally hyped for tomorrow night! I wish the entire season could just play out all at once. :(

So any bets on who the last Cylon is? Will they go with a prominent character? or someone more obscure? I won't be surprised if it's Bill Adama - he's obvious so people won't think it's him - but remember, Leoben told Kara that he was a Cylon. He was probably lying though.

[kurtblak]

Give me a G

Give me an E

Give me an E

Give me a K

Give me an S

What do you got!

People who are into sci fi lol.


http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/images/20071128-geek.jpg

[jcoltage]

Give me a G

Give me an E

Give me an E

Give me a K

Give me an S

What do you got!

People who are into sci fi lol.


http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/images/20071128-geek.jpg

Your an idiot - I not into Sci Fi crap but this show is very well done ... it has more viewers than other prime time shows ...

Maybe you should watch an episode before commenting .... You should also check out Tv.com review of this show - it more of a drama than sci fi.

But by your sense you can say CSI is Sci Fi since it has technology on it? or maybe Lost because it has a Black smoke cloud? open your eyes

... may I ask what your favorite show is?

[thelefteyeguy]

why has it not leaked!!!

no leaks PLEASE!....

don't want the same ***** to happen like Jericho



btw...ignore the troll

[rfdrfd]

After weeks of seeing these previews on Space and features on Hypaspace, I'm totally hyped for tomorrow night! I wish the entire season could just play out all at once. :(

So any bets on who the last Cylon is? Will they go with a prominent character? or someone more obscure? I won't be surprised if it's Bill Adama - he's obvious so people won't think it's him - but remember, Leoben told Kara that he was a Cylon. He was probably lying though.

I read something from the writers that it will not be Adama or Rosalind. Because they said that would just totally move the story into a wrong direction. Like a cylon leading the human race all these years.

I think it may be Baltar. Because who else is left that is one of the main characters to keep this LAST cylon to be so important.

[kurtblak]

Your an idiot - I not into Sci Fi crap but this show is very well done ... it has more viewers than other prime time shows ...

Maybe you should watch an episode before commenting .... You should also check out Tv.com review of this show - it more of a drama than sci fi.

But by your sense you can say CSI is Sci Fi since it has technology on it? or maybe Lost because it has a Black smoke cloud? open your eyes

... may I ask what your favorite show is?

LOL

It's ok; I've been called worse by better...

My fave TV show?

...actually I don't own a tv sorry...but I download a lot of porn.


ps...actually did not mean to insult anyone...just making a funny...

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/HPM/CM519~Porn-Posters.jpg

[Oni-kun]

LOL

It's ok; I've been called worse by better...

My fave TV show?

...actually I don't own a tv sorry...but I download a lot of porn.


ps...actually did not mean to insult anyone...just making a funny...

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/HPM/CM519~Porn-Posters.jpg

Get the frak out of our thread.

[ricenice]

I'v yet to hear speculation that it could be Lee? So maybe?

Anyone buy the Season 3 steelbook from Futureshop? I dont like the case itslef. Hopefuly they let me exchange for the normal box version.

BSG rules

[epson600]

Its probably way to obvious for it to be true, but we see Starbucks fighter get blown up and then we see her magically appear at the end of the season (alive and in a "new" ship).

[Talamasca]

I'v yet to hear speculation that it could be Lee? So maybe?

Anyone buy the Season 3 steelbook from Futureshop? I dont like the case itslef. Hopefuly they let me exchange for the normal box version.

BSG rules

I have the SteelBook. I like it a lot. Simple, iconic artwork which I prefer to the giant heads on the regular case. And a lot thinner too which is great as I'm at a premium for space.

Whoever the 12th Cylon is, I'm sure it'll be someone big. I'm leaning towards Baltar.

[gflux]

I'v yet to hear speculation that it could be Lee? So maybe?

Lee has a Dad and a brother so I ruled him out - I guess they could have killed the original human Lee and created a Cylon version of him, but they haven't shown that they can do something like that.

[rfdrfd]

I have the SteelBook. I like it a lot. Simple, iconic artwork which I prefer to the giant heads on the regular case. And a lot thinner too which is great as I'm at a premium for space.

Whoever the 12th Cylon is, I'm sure it'll be someone big. I'm leaning towards Baltar.

I'm waiting for the entire series to end, then they'll come out with a HUGE collection. Oh, I'm waiting for it in Blu-Ray as well. Hopefully they will switch (from their HD one)

[flyman]

I'm waiting for the entire series to end, then they'll come out with a HUGE collection. Oh, I'm waiting for it in Blu-Ray as well. Hopefully they will switch (from their HD one)

I kinda don't want it to end but I'm waiting for the BR box set to come out! :)

At least there's the spin-off series, Capica to look forward to after BSG.

[rfdrfd]

I kinda don't want it to end but I'm waiting for the BR box set to come out! :)

At least there's the spin-off series, Capica to look forward to after BSG.

Me as well. But this is what makes it so good. Knowing when to end, which gives them a whole new path to go on to close things up. Not like some series like LOST, that just Jumped the Shark and its just terrible.

In a way, Caprica series should have been delayed a little more. Give it more years then bring out this again. Don't want it to turn into Star Trek, just one series after another.

[gflux]

Oh, man! Why can't this be broadcast in HD? The battle scenes are incredible!

[flyman]

O RLY?! ... don't have Space or SciFi so I gotta wait until its avail online. :(

[Odysseus_Maximus]

Great episode!

[flyman]

Tell me this. Have they revealed who the final cylon is in the premiere? Don't tell me who I just want to know whether it has been revealed ...

[jcoltage]

Yes 1 person is reviled in this epsiode ... its states it in the intro ... hope the torrent is up by the time I come back piss drunk - out / cell RSS off

[Talamasca]

Yes 1 person is reviled in this epsiode ... its states it in the intro ... hope the torrent is up by the time I come back piss drunk - out / cell RSS off

You misread the intro. It says at the end that "One Will Be Revealed" but we don't find out who yet.

Great ep. As much as I love Starbuck, that line of dialogue from Razor ("Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death and will bring humanity to its end.") keeps echoing in my head.

[rfdrfd]

Tell me this. Have they revealed who the final cylon is in the premiere? Don't tell me who I just want to know whether it has been revealed ...

Nope, they didn't reveal anything.

[jcoltage]

ah I thought that guy that got scanned in the viper was a cylon?

[pete5000]

We are all Cylons - what are you typing on? A typewriter?

I think not. You probably have a digital camera and a car with
a computer and a Wii or PS3 or Xbox that downloads cryptic
instructions into your brain on the digital TV you play it on.....
at 1080p no less.... wake up!

Long Live Baltar! "I'm feeling God! I mean both of us..."

[flyman]

ah I thought that guy that got scanned in the viper was a cylon?

Yeah, but he was revealed as one of the final four in last season's finale. The final cylon is the one that everyone's wondering about.

[konfusion666]

I concur, great episode... love the part where Samuel Anders got scanned and his eyes "responded"...

[manixc]

good start. can't wait for the next one.

[andrew505]

Hey guys, a question. I've been hearing a lot of really really good things about this show, but is it something somebody who normally isn't really into the sci-fi genre might like? Granted I'm not against the genre, i just have never really had the chance to get into it.

[Talamasca]

Hey guys, a question. I've been hearing a lot of really really good things about this show, but is it something somebody who normally isn't really into the sci-fi genre might like? Granted I'm not against the genre, i just have never really had the chance to get into it.

I think so. There is actually very little "sci-fi" in it. No aliens and not a lot of technobabble so it's pretty different from Star Trek and Star Wars in that case. Just think of it as a drama that just happens to be set in the future in a spaceship. All the characters also speak in a contemporary style (including their version of swearing) unlike the formal, classical dialogue found in Trek and Wars.

One thing is that this show is one big arc so it's a whole lot better if you start at the beginning instead of jumping in mid-point. I just caught up earlier this week so I could watch season 4 with everyone else.

[DVST8]

Hey guys, a question. I've been hearing a lot of really really good things about this show, but is it something somebody who normally isn't really into the sci-fi genre might like? Granted I'm not against the genre, i just have never really had the chance to get into it.

Just wanted to add that you don't have to be a sci-fi buff in order to get hooked on this show. As the member above stated, it deals with everyday issues in todays world but in set in the future. Theres alot of intense situations that keeps you wondering whats going to happen. Definitely one of my all time fave sci/fi & non sci-fi shows if that made any sense. ;)

[flyman]

^ +1
What DVST8 and Talamasca said.

Whats the schedule like for this season? Is it one new episode every Friday?

[rfdrfd]

^ +1
What DVST8 and Talamasca said.

Whats the schedule like for this season? Is it one new episode every Friday?

Looks like it so far. One new episode on Space, every Friday at 10pm

[Ch28]

I found it kinda interesting how they're playing up Baltar as if he's like Jesus Christ

[Talamasca]

I found it kinda interesting how they're playing up Baltar as if he's like Jesus Christ

More like David Koresh, IMO. :lol:

[konfusion666]

I found it kinda interesting how they're playing up Baltar as if he's like Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ in a Harem, that is!

[flyman]

What do you guys think happened when Anders was scanned by the raider?

Here's what I think happened. The whole attack was initiated because the Cylons "wanted" to run into one of the final four. They already knew about the four being on board and the point of the attack was to contact one of them.

When Anders was scanned, it triggered something in his Cylon programming. Once they accomplished this task, the entire Cylon fleet simply left so that the final four can execute the next step in a plan to wipe out the people on board the ship. Once they reach that point, the Cylon fleet will come back and try to wipe out Galactica and the rest of the colonial fleet.

[manixc]

What do you guys think happened when Anders was scanned by the raider?

Here's what I think happened. The whole attack was initiated because the Cylons "wanted" to run into one of the final four. They already knew about the four being on board and the point of the attack was to contact one of them.

When Anders was scanned, it triggered something in his Cylon programming. Once they accomplished this task, the entire Cylon fleet simply left so that the final four can execute the next step in a plan to wipe out the people on board the ship. Once they reach that point, the Cylon fleet will come back and try to wipe out Galactica and the rest of the colonial fleet.

The Cylon was going to wipe out the fleet but they stop once Anders' eyes were scanned. I don't think the Cylon knows about the final four until they met Anders

[Talamasca]

[B][I]The whole attack was initiated because the Cylons "wanted" to run into one of the final four. They already knew about the four being on board and the point of the attack was to contact one of them.

How do you think they knew? I thought the only one who knew was Three and she was boxed.

[silentio]

What do you guys think happened when Anders was scanned by the raider?

Here's what I think happened. The whole attack was initiated because the Cylons "wanted" to run into one of the final four. They already knew about the four being on board and the point of the attack was to contact one of them.

When Anders was scanned, it triggered something in his Cylon programming. Once they accomplished this task, the entire Cylon fleet simply left so that the final four can execute the next step in a plan to wipe out the people on board the ship. Once they reach that point, the Cylon fleet will come back and try to wipe out Galactica and the rest of the colonial fleet.


If the cylons wanted to wipe out the fleet, they could have done so. They had 6 basestars vs the galactica.

Part of the cylon plan is to reach earth - they cant very well do that by wiping out the galactica.

[ipxxx]

Just a theory...I think the primary goal of the attack was to "upload" new command instructions to one of the four...and in this case Anders. Once they completed the upload they left because the mission was successful. It's almost the same as when Boomer had left and came back with a new mission to take out Commander Adama...again, just a theory :P

[Tristen]

I thought that the Cylons were attacking but stopped the attack when they realized that there was one of the five (which Six mentioned they were not supposed to think about when talking to President Rosalind) was in the middle of the battle. I would suspect that the Cylons in the fighters (drones?) were linked to the main force (didn't a group of Cylons get infected once before because they were linked together somehow like the Borg) and as such, the battle was called off so the other seven (the known models) could discuss the ramifications and next steps.

[rfdrfd]

I thought that the Cylons were attacking but stopped the attack when they realized that there was one of the five (which Six mentioned they were not supposed to think about when talking to President Rosalind) was in the middle of the battle. I would suspect that the Cylons in the fighters (drones?) were linked to the main force (didn't a group of Cylons get infected once before because they were linked together somehow like the Borg) and as such, the battle was called off so the other seven (the known models) could discuss the ramifications and next steps.


Possible. Or the whole attack was to activate something to one of the 5 (like they did when the Drone did the red thing to Anderson's eye).

Since they broke off the attack the instant the RED eye signal thing was done. Makes me believe that was the purpose of the attack.

[Ch28]

Possible. Or the whole attack was to activate something to one of the 5 (like they did when the Drone did the red thing to Anderson's eye).

Since they broke off the attack the instant the RED eye signal thing was done. Makes me believe that was the purpose of the attack.

But haven't they known that the 5 were with them the whole time? I mean this isn't the first time the cylons have attacked the humans. If the final 5 aren't with the actual cylon ships then they gotta assume that they're in undercover mode with the humans.

[rfdrfd]

But haven't they known that the 5 were with them the whole time? I mean this isn't the first time the cylons have attacked the humans. If the final 5 aren't with the actual cylon ships then they gotta assume that they're in undercover mode with the humans.

True, they should have known, but maybe not ? Who knows how their logic works (like some cylons really think they were human until one day something clicks!)

And the difference is now, the radio music episode woke up these 5 sleeper cylons. So after they are awake, maybe they had to get a message to them, hence the attack to do the RED eye thing.

Of course, I'm just making all this up.

[ipxxx]

Of course, I'm just making all this up.

Seems like we "make up" the same things :| haha... not sure if you saw my post but it's exactly what you're saying :o

[rfdrfd]

Seems like we "make up" the same things :| haha... not sure if you saw my post but it's exactly what you're saying :o

Ooops.. missed reading your post there.

Great minds think alike

[2k4accord]

So, what is the Cylcon plan for humanity?
Are they out to kill them all or just toying with them?
Seems like the Cyclon has many agendas and some are contradicting to each others. I could be wrong.

I am sure it is not hard for the Cyclon to kill everyone and take out the human fleet. That would be the end of the show but I doubt it will end like that.

I hope Baltar die already. Seeing that they are portraying him like Jesus is disturbing and not right.

[rfdrfd]

So, what is the Cylcon plan for humanity?
Are they out to kill them all or just toying with them?
Seems like the Cyclon has many agendas and some are contradicting to each others. I could be wrong.

I am sure it is not hard for the Cyclon to kill everyone and take out the human fleet. That would be the end of the show but I doubt it will end like that.

I hope Baltar die already. Seeing that they are portraying him like Jesus is disturbing and not right.

Excellent question. IMO, the Cylons want to live with the humans or be human. They still can't achieve that and I think a few episodes before showed that the Cylons wanted to feel love.

The think the contradictions are because the writers just add in twists and things to make it interesting, but then it may not jive with the entire storyline sometimes.

[jcoltage]

So, what is the Cylcon plan for humanity?
Are they out to kill them all or just toying with them?
Seems like the Cyclon has many agendas and some are contradicting to each others. I could be wrong.

I am sure it is not hard for the Cyclon to kill everyone and take out the human fleet. That would be the end of the show but I doubt it will end like that.

I hope Baltar die already. Seeing that they are portraying him like Jesus is disturbing and not right.

Cylons want to breed with the humans so they can have kid ... then when they reach earth it won't be just 12 same models .... I am shocked they blew up a civilian ship in that fight.

[rfdrfd]

Cylons want to breed with the humans so they can have kid ... then when they reach earth it won't be just 12 same models .... I am shocked they blew up a civilian ship in that fight.

Makes sense. They dont want to keep having triplets or quantiplets... hehe

[flyman]

How do you think they knew? I thought the only one who knew was Three and she was boxed.

It was just a feeling ... haha. It is weird that the raider didn't start shooting Anders when it turned around so I think there's definitely some prior knowledge or something.
The raider also initiated that scan too. And when you consider that there were many other pilots, I think its more than just coincidence that they happen to pick Anders.

Part of the cylon plan is to reach earth - they cant very well do that by wiping out the galactica.

Yeah, I forgot about that. What's their intention behind that attack then?

[Ch28]

Yeah, I forgot about that. What's their intention behind that attack then?

Activate the sleeper cylons?

I'm so confused at this point haha

[flyman]

Activate the sleeper cylons?

That's what I was saying in my post ... haha

[silentio]

Activate the sleeper cylons?

I'm so confused at this point haha


No, I dont think that's it either LOL

They were activated last season when they heard the strange music and met together in that room.

Im guessing the attack was a programming on the 1 of the 5 by the cylon fleet for some unknown purpose. But if the cylons could activte the 5 remotely, through that strange music, then why couldnt they program them remotely too?

The bigger question is who told the cylons where the fleet was? I bet it's Saul.

[Talamasca]

New Six is even hotter than her previous incarnations. Her leading the revolt against Cavil, Doral, and Simon is going to be interesting. I wonder what'll happen when they resurrect?

[flyman]

New Six is even hotter than her previous incarnations. Her leading the revolt against Cavil, Doral, and Simon is going to be interesting. I wonder what'll happen when they resurrect?

HAHA ... that's what I was thinking too!

[rfdrfd]

New Six is even hotter than her previous incarnations. Her leading the revolt against Cavil, Doral, and Simon is going to be interesting. I wonder what'll happen when they resurrect?

New 6 ? Isn't it still Tricia H ? She looks the same as before (just as hot).

I was kind of disappointed in tonight's episode. I thought the cylons were all gonna be like perfect, now its all bickering. It always happens like that, the bad guys beat themselves up, and good guys don't even have to lift a finger. Cop out imho.

No more chance for becoming Admiral Lee Adama. Toooo bad.. heheh

[Talamasca]

New 6 ? Isn't it still Tricia H ? She looks the same as before (just as hot).

Well yeah, but the brown hair and hairstyle suits her better than the ultra-platinum and this Six had a more powerful and confident demeanour to her. Confidence = Sexy.

And we finally found out what which Cylon is which model number.

1 - Brother Cavil
2 - Leoben
3 - D'Anna
4 - Simon
5 - Doral
6 - Six :D
8 - Sharon

So the Final Five are 7, 9, 10, 11, 12

[manixc]

New 6 ? Isn't it still Tricia H ? She looks the same as before (just as hot).

I was kind of disappointed in tonight's episode. I thought the cylons were all gonna be like perfect, now its all bickering. It always happens like that, the bad guys beat themselves up, and good guys don't even have to lift a finger. Cop out imho.

No more chance for becoming Admiral Lee Adama. Toooo bad.. heheh
I can't believe they let Lee go. Don't they need every pilot they can get?

I hope they explain the final five before they end the show.

[DrunkDog]

Yea, they do need every pilot they can get, but they can't really stop him from leaving. If he doesn't want to fly anymore, he doesn't have to. Besides, he is a major now so he would most likely be making decisions on galactica, rather than flying a viper.

I can't believe they let Lee go. Don't they need every pilot they can get?

I hope they explain the final five before they end the show.

[jcoltage]

Not that great of an epsiode - too much drama and story lines - stick to 3 per epsiode.... this one had like 5+ stories + I want to see more explosions

[Oni-kun]

Not that great of an epsiode - too much drama and story lines - stick to 3 per epsiode.... this one had like 5+ stories + I want to see more explosions

Yeah I was also slightly dissapointed. Starbuck seemed out of character at times but then again shes supposed to seem likes shes lost her mind so it worked. And you have to admit the part with the centurians and the six was bad ass.

[gflux]

One interesting thing about this episode is that the humanoid Cylons are basically enslaving the old Cylons - making the prophesy true. "This has all happened before, it will all happen again..."

[jcoltage]

\And you have to admit the part with the centurians and the six was bad ass.

But don't you think the toasters will start killing off each other? see the robots can now kill the human robots - then they will just kill each other off and BSG will come in for the finial kill.

my thoughts for breaking the tie breaker would be reactivate De Anna - which they are planing to do anyways.

[silentio]

I have a feeling Boomer purposely sided with Simon and the rest just to generate a confrontation. I think you'll see some of the models deactivated soon, as was the plan of 6, and 8.

[rfdrfd]

I have a feeling Boomer purposely sided with Simon and the rest just to generate a confrontation. I think you'll see some of the models deactivated soon, as was the plan of 6, and 8.

When did Boomer go back to the base ? I thought she was still on Galactica ?? She was in the farewell party for Lee Adama in the hanger right?

[manixc]

When did Boomer go back to the base ? I thought she was still on Galactica ?? She was in the farewell party for Lee Adama in the hanger right?

different eights.

the one on the base is Boomer and the one on the Galactica is Athena.

[rfdrfd]

different eights.

the one on the base is Boomer and the one on the Galactica is Athena.

I always thought there was only 1 Boomer = Athena = the one her husband shot to go back to the base to rescue her baby.

Great, now I'm confused

[jcoltage]

There are two

Boomer - Always on Galactica till Kelly shot her after Boomer shot Adama

Athena - was on the planet and had the first hybird baby - the baby was left on new caparica and then husband shot Athena so she could get the baby back - she ran into Boomer on the Base ship and Boomer could not get the baby to stop crying - 6 takes Athena off base star to BSG with the baby and thats where we are now with this character

Third model is someone unknown and is against rewiring the raiders - boomer sides against her with the guys.

[rfdrfd]

There are two

Boomer - Always on Galactica till Kelly shot her after Boomer shot Adama

Athena - was on the planet and had the first hybird baby - the baby was left on new caparica and then husband shot Athena so she could get the baby back - she ran into Boomer on the Base ship and Boomer could not get the baby to stop crying - 6 takes Athena off base star to BSG with the baby and thats where we are now with this character

Third model is someone unknown and is against rewiring the raiders - boomer sides against her with the guys.

Thnx, now I remember. Right. Boomer's body is the one they gave to the terrorists during an episode of Cloud 9 ship hostage, where Dana Delany was on that?

[fishlips20]

Wow - just a read a theory that rocked my sox.

(in white in case someone doesn't care or want to see the theory)
Starbuck is the "dying" leader from the prophecy.

[manixc]

Wow - just a read a theory that rocked my sox.

(in white in case someone doesn't care or want to see the theory)
*snip*

I don't know since the president is dying as well (again) and Starbuck is technically "dead". I wish they would explain how she came back.

[ipxxx]

Not sure why ppl have started to hide their spoilers :P I thought we already went well past that with the first episode spoilers :)
If you all want I can modify the thread title to contain something to the effects of "SPOILER ALERT" ... wait these are just theories not even spoilers....still unsure why you're hiding them :P

[2k4accord]

So if those robot cyclons killed those humanoid cyclon. Won't those humanoid cyclons reborn again somewhere on their ship?
Just like when boomer was killed on BSG.

If that is the case, what is the point of killing them? I guess it could be for fun or to show that the robot cyclons are no longer pets to the humanoid ones.

[rfdrfd]

So if those robot cyclons killed those humanoid cyclon. Won't those humanoid cyclons reborn again somewhere on their ship?
Just like when boomer was killed on BSG.

If that is the case, what is the point of killing them? I guess it could be for fun or to show that the robot cyclons are no longer pets to the humanoid ones.

Correct. They'll have to "pull the plug" on those models forever, like how they killed of D'ana's model.

[gflux]

So if those robot cyclons killed those humanoid cyclon. Won't those humanoid cyclons reborn again somewhere on their ship?
Just like when boomer was killed on BSG.

If that is the case, what is the point of killing them? I guess it could be for fun or to show that the robot cyclons are no longer pets to the humanoid ones.

It still hurts when they die.

[airodus]

So if those robot cyclons killed those humanoid cyclon. Won't those humanoid cyclons reborn again somewhere on their ship?
Just like when boomer was killed on BSG.

If that is the case, what is the point of killing them? I guess it could be for fun or to show that the robot cyclons are no longer pets to the humanoid ones.

They could just post a bunch of Centurions where the skinjobs respawn. That would suck to be them.

I wonder if the "civil war" is just on that one ship, or has occurred throughout the cylon fleet/worlds?

[rfdrfd]

They could just post a bunch of Centurions where the skinjobs respawn. That would suck to be them.

I wonder if the "civil war" is just on that one ship, or has occurred throughout the cylon fleet/worlds?

Sounds like its all over. Because they voted right? Which sounds to me like ALL models voted to dumb down the Centurions.

[butter]

Any speculation on who the final Cylon is? I'm thinking it's Apollo

[rfdrfd]

Another not so good episode tonight. Like I posted before, the bad guys are now killing themselves, without the good guys having to do anything. Sad.

Last cylon? Ya, Apollo would be pretty neat, like Adama's son is a tin can all along.

[jcoltage]

The last cylon has to have been on New Capria - Applo was not - I think they did something on the planet - oh thanks for not getting my hopes up 56%


That was a smart ambush with the base stars - all in all crappy episode ... very stretched out storylines

[SAN66]

Just got to watch it.

Can't believe they offed Cally, she was my favourite girl on the show.

[manixc]

Just got to watch it.

Can't believe they offed Cally, she was my favourite girl on the show.
I am actually glad. She was getting too whinny. It's depressing.

I think the Cylon civil war is unnecessary. It seems they have killed off all the six's and eight's except for the six with the fleet and Boomer and Athena.

[Ojam]

Last cylon? Ya, Apollo would be pretty neat, like Adama's son is a tin can all along.

I think Cally, remember she said she hasn't been able to sleep since the nebula, that was the same time the other 4 were "turned on" their music stopped because they found out, maybe for some reason Cally just never put it together and was still suffering from it.

[jcoltage]

I think Cally, remember she said she hasn't been able to sleep since the nebula, that was the same time the other 4 were "turned on" their music stopped because they found out, maybe for some reason Cally just never put it together and was still suffering from it.

Cally can't be cylon cause she had a baby with a cylon husband which turned out alright... glad she is dead.. unless person.

[Ojam]

Cally can't be cylon cause she had a baby with a cylon husband which turned out alright... glad she is dead.. unless person.

Can cylons not produce children, or were they just told by the "creators" not too?

[fitbrit]

One interesting thing about this episode is that the humanoid Cylons are basically enslaving the old Cylons - making the prophesy true. "This has all happened before, it will all happen again..."

Yup, this is what I commented to my wife; the skin jobs are basically repeating what the humans did to the Cylons. I think it's a nice touch in the storyline. THis show is more than 'explosions'.

[jcoltage]

Can cylons not produce children, or were they just told by the "creators" not too?

nope they can't they try and the babies alway die - thats why they need the humans and the whole purpose of finding earth .. to repopulate the cylons with hybirds..

[Ojam]

nope they can't they try and the babies alway die - thats why they need the humans and the whole purpose of finding earth .. to repopulate the cylons with hybirds..

ok, I do remember that being said now, but did they ever say how long before they die? Their child is still a baby, maybe they died later, and not right at birth. That's a lot of maybes though.

[flyman]

Yup, this is what I commented to my wife; the skin jobs are basically repeating what the humans did to the Cylons. I think it's a nice touch in the storyline. THis show is more than 'explosions'.

am really liking the cylon plotline. The centurions are slowing but surely heading towards a revolution. It's pretty obvious that Natalie no longer has total control over them after that conversation with Cavil. Notice how she had to ask "nicely" before she got the centurion to do what she wanted.

[malbadon]

I can't believe anyone would actually not like the cylon storyline. What did you want, mindless monotonous cylon chasing stories? Sorry, they did that in the 70's already.
The entire point of the cylon storyline is to replicate the original human/cylon creation story. The humans created the cylons and in their arrogant superiority essentially enslaved them. The cylons came back to get their revenge on the humans, but created the exact same slave/master scenario again with their enslavement of the centurions. Now we are seeing the same rebellion from within, makes for far more interesting cylons than just a bunch of human-chasers, imho.

[ipxxx]

With the last episode, aren't all centurions with their inhibitors removed destroyed as well? In other words I don't believe they are 'reborn' like the 12 models are; so once they are destroyed that's it...

[manixc]

With the last episode, aren't all centurions with their inhibitors removed destroyed as well? In other words I don't believe they are 'reborn' like the 12 models are; so once they are destroyed that's it...

if they are anything like the raiders, then they can be "reborn" as well.
However, since the resurrection ship is not near, they are probably dead as well.

Anyone know if all centurions (i.e. all within the cylon fleets, not just the six's) had their inhibitors removed?

[SAN66]

if they are anything like the raiders, then they can be "reborn" as well.
However, since the resurrection ship is not near, they are probably dead as well.

Anyone know if all centurions (i.e. all within the cylon fleets, not just the six's) had their inhibitors removed?

Actually it was stated that unlike the human form cylons and the raiders, the centurions are not reborn.

I think that the ship containing the leader six (Natalie) et al. somehow survived the ambush, and the lone ship, badly damaged will lead an insurrection on the rest of the cylon fleet, maybe even somehow arrange a fragile truce with Galactica. But we'll see.

[rfdrfd]

I can't believe anyone would actually not like the cylon storyline. What did you want, mindless monotonous cylon chasing stories? Sorry, they did that in the 70's already.
The entire point of the cylon storyline is to replicate the original human/cylon creation story. The humans created the cylons and in their arrogant superiority essentially enslaved them. The cylons came back to get their revenge on the humans, but created the exact same slave/master scenario again with their enslavement of the centurions. Now we are seeing the same rebellion from within, makes for far more interesting cylons than just a bunch of human-chasers, imho.

I see what you are saying. But in the end, that just means the writers are rehatching the same loop and storyline, this time with cylons instead of humans. So nothing new or exciting. Same storyline.

[manixc]

Actually it was stated that unlike the human form cylons and the raiders, the centurions are not reborn.

I think that the ship containing the leader six (Natalie) et al. somehow survived the ambush, and the lone ship, badly damaged will lead an insurrection on the rest of the cylon fleet, maybe even somehow arrange a fragile truce with Galactica. But we'll see.

really, suck to be centurions.

[silentio]

Do they have time to put in a sub arc of a rebellion in the remaining 17 ep and talk about finding earth?

I think those rebels are dead. You will only see some of them on galactica since they are in the brig there. They planned this out way before

[EGee6]

Can't believe they killed Cally because it came out of left field.

[YYZFA]

Do they have time to put in a sub arc of a rebellion in the remaining 17 ep and talk about finding earth?


Oh yeah, for sure they do. Remember, the Cylons look like humans, but the are machines. Their way of thinking is much more linear. They have suddenly changed course numerous times. The best example is when Boomer and the Baltar's Number Six managed to convince the entire Cylon race that the occupation of Caprica, and presumably the other colonies, was misguided, and they suddenly decided to abandon them.

The strife among the Cylons is only two episodes long, and they are already at a shooting war. They are playing for keeps too, as their is no Resurrection Ship. I predict a quick end to this civil war due to either: 1) a decisive military victory, or 2) the Cylons overall desire for unity. Remember, they were programmed to desire unity and conformity.

I think this Cylon civil war will give the Colonial Fleet a bit of breathing room, and it won't last too long. If they were humans, the civil war would last a generation, but Cylons have a remarkable way of just letting things go, when it suits them.

[YYZFA]

Can't believe they killed Cally because it came out of left field.

The only thing that really annoyed me about killing Cally, was that we knew it was going to happen, so it wasn't a surprise. They gave it away in last week's preview, after the episode. I would have enjoyed the show more if it was truly out of left field, as you say!

[2k4accord]

Interesting episode.
So which ever Cyclon controls the resurrection ship is the one going to win the Cyclon civil war.

The cyclons on BSG are the ones they should be worry about. Even those they said they are not the same. They still show signs of killing with out mercy when one of them killed Cally even those she didn't want to kill herself and her baby at the end.

Can't wait to see the rest.

[hempopotamus]

Interesting episode.
So which ever Cyclon controls the resurrection ship is the one going to win the Cyclon civil war.

The cyclons on BSG are the ones they should be worry about. Even those they said they are not the same. They still show signs of killing with out mercy when one of them killed Cally even those she didn't want to kill herself and her baby at the end.

Can't wait to see the rest.

Wow..... Are you a BSG fan. It's Cylon not Cyclon

[2k4accord]

haha sorry if i upset the TRUE BSG fan with my spelling mistakes.
I am fan for last few seasons, I didn't watch them all.

my bad, my bad, can you guys forgive me? hahahaha.

[airodus]

I loved the part with the centurion cleaning the table with a dirty rag. I hope the centurions rebel and kill all the skinjobs, that would be a sight to see.

[konfusion666]

Tory is acting more and more like a true "skinjob" Cylon. I wonder if she'll be the first to "turn". Anyways I'm glad she has such a prominent role this season, usually female indian actresses don't get such a chance (at least in sci-fi).

BTW Mike Hogan's performance (Col Tigh) was a good one in this ep...

Heh, it's funny, but we're all overly focused on the "final 5 (minus 1)" characters rather than the usual Starbuck, Apollo, Adama, etc.

[SAN66]

I think Tory has already snapped, when she slept with Baltar. We're going to see the others snap one by one as well. Tyrol is in the process of snapping due to the death of Cally and will fully snap when he accepts her death. Tigh is in the process of snapping and will fully snap when he deals with his Ellen issues and Anders will snap, I'm thinking when he and Kara reach earth.

[rfdrfd]

These past episodes has really gone downhill for me. Everyone is giving up. The whole premise of "preserving the human race" is gone. Dare I say "Jump the Shark" ?

President - given up
Adama - giving up, not strong anymore
Col Ty - given up, going nutz
Tory - gone nutz
Starbuck - acting like she's gone nutz
Apollo - all he gets now are scenes standing next to the stupid table, blabbering like an idiot, being petty on every single little rule/policy
Cylons - all fraked up amongst themselves

So the only thing the writers can come up with is to revive the "rule" of Baltar again. RISE of Baltar. Oh geez, gimme a break. He's been there, done that. Booooring

Seems like the writers have given up and not finishing off BSG S4 in a bang, but with a small whimper. I even forgot to watch it on Friday, (downloaded it afterwards). Back in Season 2, 3, I used change my evening plans, just to run home just to watch it, because taping it and watching it later just doesn't cut it. Disappointed...

[YYZFA]

These past episodes has really gone downhill for me. Everyone is giving up. The whole premise of "preserving the human race" is gone. Dare I say "Jump the Shark" ?

President - given up
Adama - giving up, not strong anymore
Col Ty - given up, going nutz
Tory - gone nutz
Starbuck - acting like she's gone nutz
Apollo - all he gets now are scenes standing next to the stupid table, blabbering like an idiot, being petty on every single little rule/policy
Cylons - all fraked up amongst themselves

So the only thing the writers can come up with is to revive the "rule" of Baltar again. RISE of Baltar. Oh geez, gimme a break. He's been there, done that. Booooring

Seems like the writers have given up and not finishing off BSG S4 in a bang, but with a small whimper. I even forgot to watch it on Friday, (downloaded it afterwards). Back in Season 2, 3, I used change my evening plans, just to run home just to watch it, because taping it and watching it later just doesn't cut it. Disappointed...


The writers have already explored these other characters very well. It's the last season, and something has got to come to a head. It seems that you want the same old. I don't. Three years they've been talking about the Final 5 Cylons and Earth. It's about time they started exploring them. Do you want them to do more of the same, like the weird romantic triangle between Apollo, Starbuck and Anders or the president dying and needing a blood transfusion from the half-Cylon child? The Cylons have been unable to wipe out the humans, despite infinately more superior forces. They can't attacking the human fleet and failing over and over. The humans can only get lucky so many times.

I think the new story line is very intriguing. I can't wait to see what happens. It's not all about guns and explosions.

[rfdrfd]

The writers have already explored these other characters very well. It's the last season, and something has got to come to a head. It seems that you want the same old. I don't. Three years they've been talking about the Final 5 Cylons and Earth. It's about time they started exploring them. Do you want them to do more of the same, like the weird romantic triangle between Apollo, Starbuck and Anders or the president dying and needing a blood transfusion from the half-Cylon child? The Cylons have been unable to wipe out the humans, despite infinately more superior forces. They can't attacking the human fleet and failing over and over. The humans can only get lucky so many times.

I think the new story line is very intriguing. I can't wait to see what happens. It's not all about guns and explosions.

You seem to think that everyone who is not liking the storyline of Season 4 wants the Guns and Battles back. That is not the case.

If your opinion of "want to do more of the same...." is correct, then why are they reviving the stupid story of Baltar again? Haven't we seen enough of this guy's attempt at being selfish only to preserve his own life? So they ARE doing the same ole, same ole.

A good series should always end at the HEIGHT of their storyline. Always. Like Seinfeld, Cheers. This will make viewers wanting more, so they will continue to buy DVDs, and the re-runs (royalties) will continue to play over and over (eg. Seinfeld is on every fraking day, multiple times).

Seeing this storyline right now, everyone has given up. If someone was watching this, they can see the writers are trying real hard to come to a conclusion. Like you can see the end of the book is near.

Instead of starting new things, they are closing the book. Other things they could have started: cylon hybrid children, get the 4 new cylons to cause havoc on Galactica. Instead, they are holding them back, keeping themselves secret, doing hidden things here and there. Make them like "flip a switch" and activate a secret plan in their minds that were there all along type of thing.

Now, one by one, they are all going nutz. Not very good drama imo. Boring as well.

[YYZFA]

You seem to think that everyone who is not liking the storyline of Season 4 wants the Guns and Battles back. That is not the case.

If your opinion of "want to do more of the same...." is correct, then why are they reviving the stupid story of Baltar again? Haven't we seen enough of this guy's attempt at being selfish only to preserve his own life? So they ARE doing the same ole, same ole.

A good series should always end at the HEIGHT of their storyline. Always. Like Seinfeld, Cheers. This will make viewers wanting more, so they will continue to buy DVDs, and the re-runs (royalties) will continue to play over and over (eg. Seinfeld is on every fraking day, multiple times).

Seeing this storyline right now, everyone has given up. If someone was watching this, they can see the writers are trying real hard to come to a conclusion. Like you can see the end of the book is near.

Instead of starting new things, they are closing the book. Other things they could have started: cylon hybrid children, get the 4 new cylons to cause havoc on Galactica. Instead, they are holding them back, keeping themselves secret, doing hidden things here and there. Make them like "flip a switch" and activate a secret plan in their minds that were there all along type of thing.

Now, one by one, they are all going nutz. Not very good drama imo. Boring as well.

Just be patient. A good storyline has some build up to it. Do you not see that this is the case here? The only ones really going crazy here are the newly self-discovered undercover Cylons. They are dealing with their guilt about wanting to be loyal to the humans, but discovering that they are Cylons, and their instinctual programming, which will inevitably cause havoc on the Galactica.

As for Baltar, this is a new angle. Baltar used to say anything to save his own skin. He didn't believe it though. Baltar is changed. He, for the first time ever, truly believes what he's saying. You'll note he always derided religion and God as being tools for the ignorant. He had the same contempt for both the humans "Greek Gods" and the Cylons "one true God". He invoked their names for political and survival reasons. He's different now. He truly believes in the Cylon's "one true God". He prayed to God to save the life of that sick child. He asked God to take him instead. He was sincere. He also was ready to sacrifice himself to protect his followers in the last episode. He'd never sacrifice himself before, because he was only out to protect himself. I do not believe that Baltar is a traitor anymore. He's acting in what he thinks is the best interest of the human race. That's not to say that their won't be negative consequences, but he seems truly altruistic now.

This is just build up. It gets the mind thinking. I think it will all fit together really soon. The four Cylons will start causing havoc, although I don't think they'll be on the same page. Maybe Tigh and Anders will come out on the side of the humans, like Athena did, and Tory and the Chief will betray them. Tory, because she has gotten arrogant and believes they are superior. Chief because he suddenly seems to wish he was with Boomer again.

The President and Apollo might be getting ready for a major confrontation as well.

Like I said, be patient. New things seem to be coming. I also think their will be lots of explosions and battles, which are also very fun.

[konfusion666]

There's nothing wrong with the theme of the humans "giving up". Why shouldn't they give up? Most of them probably believe that they'll never find earth, and will end up slowly going extinct on a bunch of starships as they eventually run out of resources.

[ricenice]

A good series should always end at the HEIGHT of their storyline. Always. Like Seinfeld, Cheers. This will make viewers wanting more, so they will continue to buy DVDs, and the re-runs (royalties) will continue to play over and over (eg. Seinfeld is on every fraking day, multiple times).

Good shows don’t end at the height of their storylines. If they did nothing would be resolved. They end at the height of there run, when they are so popular than the only place to go is down. BSG is only reaching its heights. Season 4's viewer ship is up 20+%. Everyone on TV and radio has jump on this bandwagon and to end it this season will forever immortalize its place in TV history.

You can't possibly compare BSG to Seinfeld and Cheers which are not serial comedies. BSG is a serial Sci-fi Drama. Selling 5 box sets (6 if they split season 4) at about 50$ i think they'll do just as good as Seinfeld dvd's that go for $20. I’ve never seen a BSG season sell for less than 35$ on sale have you? Speaking of re-runs, having only 4 seasons means that BSG cannot be pick up for syndication. Syndication required at least 5 seasons....I guess they'll just sell more DVDs this say.

This season is like season 3, it stated big, slowed way down, picked up and ended with a bang. One true Galactica God willing the show should pick up around EP 7-8.

[Tomato_1]

This season is like season 3, it stated big, slowed way down, picked up and ended with a bang. One true Galactica God willing the show should pick up around EP 7-8.

QFT. I am so incredibly bored. If this wasn't the last season I wouldn't even bother tuning in anymore. I hate to say it but a 1/2 hour comedy (How I met your mother) has me more pumped than a sci-fi drama.

I know the forum boards are all abuzz with the last cylon. All I have to say is so what? What does it have anything to do with the story. Will the last cylon be god? unify humans and machines?? I'm don't know and frankly who cares. Also what is going on with the half human/cylon baby. There was all this BS about it and now it is doing nothing.

Frankly killing Cally was nothing but shock value and well after New Caprica arc, the writers are going to need to do more.

[rfdrfd]

QFT. I am so incredibly bored. If this wasn't the last season I wouldn't even bother tuning in anymore. I hate to say it but a 1/2 hour comedy (How I met your mother) has me more pumped than a sci-fi drama.

I know the forum boards are all abuzz with the last cylon. All I have to say is so what? What does it have anything to do with the story. Will the last cylon be god? unify humans and machines?? I'm don't know and frankly who cares. Also what is going on with the half human/cylon baby. There was all this BS about it and now it is doing nothing.

Frankly killing Cally was nothing but shock value and well after New Caprica arc, the writers are going to need to do more.

OM fraking god, agree with you 1000%. It almost seemed like they changed writers for the show or something.

[jcoltage]

Boring - Skipped thru 86% of the show .. no flying no blowing up things .. if I want to see a old man get beat up I go to You Tube ... Get on with the base Stars jumping in and ships blowing up.. I got a mind of a 4 year old and I want to see blood and fire.

[manixc]

the latest episode was a bit boring, tho it's interesting to see how things are starting to fall apart.

[Topher]

The last episode was a bit of a filler episode, but I think they writers are planting "seeds" for the storyline to pick up in the coming episodes. The cylons admitting to the civil war, asking for help from the humans, and the ultimate mutiny of the ship. These are all probably leading to bigger things, but are not the big part of the story themselves.

[rfdrfd]

The last episode was a bit of a filler episode, but I think they writers are planting "seeds" for the storyline to pick up in the coming episodes. The cylons admitting to the civil war, asking for help from the humans, and the ultimate mutiny of the ship. These are all probably leading to bigger things, but are not the big part of the story themselves.

I hope this whole thing isn't going to end with cylons and humans living happily together on Earth. Man, that would be the worst.

[neondawg]

we saw the return of the original cylons in the razor side story ..... and how they were doing some strange things to captors.

would like to see more of them .... they will prolly walk in and wipe out the new generation cylons since it looks like they were abandoned/sent away.

but i'm kinda getting tired of the main characters walking around thinking or knowing they are cylons. to me that sounds like a cheap cop out to things .... would rather it had just been a couple of them. now you have practically all the main characters turning into bad guys.

found out that the original starbuck is due to make an appearance on one of the last few episodes. hmmm the final cylon that everyone is speculating about ????

would be funny if he does appear and then looks at the old apollo and then they say "we're taking our show back b!tch".

how many eps are left ? i'm losing count .... had to resort to DL them afterwards to keep up.

[DaLurker]

Didn't read through the whole thread, but I was tremendously bored by the last couple of episodes. I hope the story line picks up!

[VenomZeus]

What if the "new cylons" aren't even cylons and are still human? Just because they hear music doesn't mean anything.

Also, is it just me or did the cylons used to be really tough in the first 2 seasons? Now any human can outmuscle them I don't get it... or am I wrong and have to re-watch all the old episodes?

[Ch28]

What if the "new cylons" aren't even cylons and are still human? Just because they hear music doesn't mean anything.

Did you not see the episode where Tory backhands Cally like a ragdoll?

[jcoltage]

Did you not see the episode where Tory backhands Cally like a ragdoll?

Thats what I thought too ... she ***** slapped her so hand and far, don't like the brown cyclon for some reason.

[VenomZeus]

I noticed, but Cally was weak, on pills, tired, etc... so who knows?

[jayslay]

yea ep 4 was soo boring but it was somewhat developing the characters and baltar's cult.

but ep 5 gets much better but that starbuck thing is weird

[MrDisco]

i just wish they had a bigger budget to shoot fight scenes with the Vipers. the plot is cool and all but lately i feel its been lacking in the excitement arena.

[dell]

I've noticed this season that the visual effects have not been up to the standards of the previous seasons. Then I found out that they do everything in house now instead of using real vfx companies like Atmosphere and Zoic Studios like they use to so the quality seems to have dipped a bit. I don't know if this was a cost cutting measure but it does show when you watch it.

[SAN66]

The season started off a little slow, but it seems to be getting better. Last nights episode was awesome and next weeks looks even better!

[manixc]

jeez, poor gaeta.

[jcoltage]

watching it now not bad - but I like how they are taking the Star Trek approach of killing off people -

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/star-trek-expendability.jpg

[konfusion666]

last night's episode was awesome!

too bad anders couldnt put his hand into the computer... would have been nice to get him exposed ;)

cant wait to see what happens when they jump to the fleet with a cylon capital ship.

[Talamasca]

Last night's was a big improvement over the previous few episodes. It was awesome seeing Nana Visitor (Major/Colonel Kira from ST: DS9) as a guest star too.

[dell]

Speaking of star trek guest stars, on Smallville they had the doctor from Voyager on their lastest ep.

[silentio]

Last night's was a big improvement over the previous few episodes. It was awesome seeing Nana Visitor (Major/Colonel Kira from ST: DS9) as a guest star too.

She looked really old in that episode.

[konfusion666]

It was awesome seeing Nana Visitor (Major/Colonel Kira from ST: DS9) as a guest star too.

So that's why she looked familiar.

Hmm, she aged fast, she looked pretty cute in some DS9 episodes. ;)

[Talamasca]

She looked really old in that episode.

She played a character in the advanced stages of terminal cancer!

In the brief "ferry scene" where she looked normal, I'd say she looked damn good for 51 years old.

[Oni-kun]

jeez, poor gaeta.

Hhahaha that part made me laugh. He deserved it. Good episode

[Deadlock91]

That was a good episode.. finally. The last two episodes were really boring

[rfdrfd]

That was a good episode.. finally. The last two episodes were really boring

Agreed. I'm just disappointed that humans have to ally up with the cylons in the end to find Earth. Pretty stupid imo. Either humans should win or the cylons should win.

This isn't Disney "and they lived together happily ever after...."

[goldenegg]

Agreed. I'm just disappointed that humans have to ally up with the cylons in the end to find Earth. Pretty stupid imo. Either humans should win or the cylons should win.

This isn't Disney "and they lived together happily ever after...."

There are no good guys and bad guys here. Both the humans and cylons are at fault for the conflict over the years. It would be a massive achievement if they could finally come together in the end.

I never understood why so many people have a 'black and white' view when it comes to conflict resolution. Why is there never room for some resolution in between?

[rfdrfd]

There are no good guys and bad guys here. Both the humans and cylons are at fault for the conflict over the years. It would be a massive achievement if they could finally come together in the end.

I never understood why so many people have a 'black and white' view when it comes to conflict resolution. Why is there never room for some resolution in between?


I hear what you are saying, but don't forget, HUMANS created the Cylons as servants or slaves (whatever you wish to view it) right ??

So the ending should either be: Cylons killing humanity - punishment for creating and treating them like slaves OR Humans killing cylons - learning from their lessons to never repeat it again.

[goldenegg]

I hear what you are saying, but don't forget, HUMANS created the Cylons as servants or slaves (whatever you wish to view it) right ??

So the ending should either be: Cylons killing humanity - punishment for creating and treating them like slaves OR Humans killing cylons - learning from their lessons to never repeat it again.

Why is the annihilation of either race the answer? The Cylons may have been created by humans, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to live. At the same time, the entire human race doesn't deserve to be wiped out because of a mistake in their past. Should we kill all Germans because of WWII?

[Talamasca]

I hear what you are saying, but don't forget, HUMANS created the Cylons as servants or slaves (whatever you wish to view it) right ??

So the ending should either be: Cylons killing humanity - punishment for creating and treating them like slaves OR Humans killing cylons - learning from their lessons to never repeat it again.

"All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again." It has been said repeatedly by multiple characters in the show. I think there's a big clue there.

[lip1978]

I like reading into the major emphasis on religion this season in the following:
The Humans have moved away from the 1 true God to a system of 12 false Gods. As punishment, the 1 true God had the humans create the Cylons, which lead to the annihilation of the humans on the 12 planets, in a Noah's flood like cleansing.
The Cylons are the mechanism by which the humans will return to Him. Laura's leadership will mean she won't make it to Earth, as it mirrors Moses' death before he reached Canaan.

[goldenegg]

I like reading into the major emphasis on religion this season in the following:
The Humans have moved away from the 1 true God to a system of 12 false Gods. As punishment, the 1 true God had the humans create the Cylons, which lead to the annihilation of the humans on the 12 planets, in a Noah's flood like cleansing.
The Cylons are the mechanism by which the humans will return to Him. Laura's leadership will mean she won't make it to Earth, as it mirrors Moses' death before he reached Canaan.

Following the Lords of Cobol is pretty much responsible for getting the humans as far as they have. If it wasn't for them, they wouldn't have the markers for the path to Earth. The fact is, both religious views are strikingly similar (something the President learned last episode).

This is what really makes the story so captivating. Both the humans and cylons are getting split down the middle, even though each side has the same intentions, goals and underlying belief structure. They're all just too caught up in their own self importance to realize it.

[rfdrfd]

Why is the annihilation of either race the answer? The Cylons may have been created by humans, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to live. At the same time, the entire human race doesn't deserve to be wiped out because of a mistake in their past. Should we kill all Germans because of WWII?

Why revenge after the nuke attacks? Adama's mission started it afterall (their fault). Why didn't the humans just be happy on new Caprica? Why did they have to resort to suicide bombings? Why have a rebellion and escape? Why not just live together with the Cylons on New Caprica and be their slaves?

Answer that and you will answer your question "Why is the annihilation of either race the answer?"

[goldenegg]

Why revenge after the nuke attacks? Adama's mission started it afterall (their fault). Why didn't the humans just be happy on new Caprica? Why did they have to resort to suicide bombings? Why have a rebellion and escape? Why not just live together with the Cylons on New Caprica and be their slaves?

Answer that and you will answer your question "Why is the annihilation of either race the answer?"

When you're attacked, you fight back. It doesn't have to result in the total destruction of your enemies.

[rfdrfd]

When you're attacked, you fight back. It doesn't have to result in the total destruction of your enemies.

Revenge knows no boundaries. Our human history already proves it.

[manixc]

Another excellent episode. I was at the edge of my seat.

I won't spoil anything but the end was a bit predictable.

[jcoltage]

Just finished watching it ... intro was pretty intense went down hill from there but still not a bad epsiode ... if anyone wants the online link instead of dling it .. pm me. Quality wise 7/10 but 10 / 10 sound

[goldenegg]

I thought this episode was just as good (if not better) than last week's. I can't believe we need to wait two weeks until the next episode!!!

[rabbit]

For the series finale, they should do either of two things:
- kill everyone off
- have a big cliffhanger :D
Either one would be ballsy.

The series have had some really great ideas, but the storywriting could be a lot better. But I suppose that turning a scifi into a musical is what pumps critics' nads.

[flyman]

I thought this episode was just as good (if not better) than last week's. I can't believe we need to wait two weeks until the next episode!!!

:O

I didn't hear about that. Are you sure?

[MrDisco]

woah that was awesome. the end took me by complete surprise.

[jayslay]

wow great episode

i knew there was always something up with that hybrid

[goldenegg]

:O

I didn't hear about that. Are you sure?

Yup. Did you watch the preview for the next episode? It clearly said May 30th. This is also the date listed on the Sci-Fi network site.

[rfdrfd]

It was not too bad.

I'm glad to see the renegade cylons are still not cooperating with the humans 100%. Because that would just defy all logic and goal of the show.

What's up with Gata ? Come on sissy ! Its only a leg. I'm sure thousands of others have it worse. And he doesn't even have much pain during the operation. Even the president has it worse than him, I'm sure her chemo or whatever isn't very pleasant every day/week. He's just laying there, got all the pain killers he want. Whats with the singing? Hope they aren't gonna do a musical later which most certainly ruins every show that tried (Buffy, Zena musicals).

The ending was predictable as someone said, but it was funny that's the first word that came out of the hybrid's mouth haha.

[rfdrfd]

For the series finale, they should do either of two things:
- kill everyone off
- have a big cliffhanger :D
Either one would be ballsy.

The series have had some really great ideas, but the storywriting could be a lot better. But I suppose that turning a scifi into a musical is what pumps critics' nads.

+1

[Oni-kun]

They had too much of gaeta singing...

[rfdrfd]

I was wondering about that .... Base Stars don`t have to spoll up their FTL cause they had to before when it was Base Star vs Base Star ...


My most nerdy post to date.

Good point, I never thought about how they don't need time to fire up the FTL. I assumed that was their plan all along (kidnap some humans for insurance), so maybe they already fired it up in preparation to get out?

[jayslay]

i am still trying to figure out whats with teh opera house thing and killing that 6 was linked to the hybrid jumping away

[ricenice]

This season is like season 3, it stated big, slowed way down, picked up and ended with a bang. One true Galactica God willing the show should pick up around EP 7-8.

Guess who was right on the money:!::!: :!:

[sannin]

betcha when they reach "earth", it'll be full of cylons! :razz:

[rabbit]

Yep, because by that time, it will turn out that everyone has been a cylon all along.

[Chyron]

Roslin's line to Tory? Come on! Best thing that woman has said all series :D

[goldenegg]

I'm definitely gonna feel the lack of new BSG tonight. Next Friday can't come soon enough!!!

[instanoodles]

man I cant believe that I went through a whole week and no BSG, its going to make the next week take forever to end

[lurker]

Episode 8 in out on the torrents. It aired on skyone in the UK.

Watching it now. :lol:


.

[MrDisco]

that ep kinda sucked imo. it has an interesting plot development, but overall it just felt like filler :(

[2k4accord]

ya, it seems they skipped one battle scene.

That was one slow episode, a lot of politic craps.

[Topher]

that ep kinda sucked imo. it has an interesting plot development, but overall it just felt like filler :(

+1

Let's hope it's building the storyline up to something big.

[konfusion666]

that ep kinda sucked imo. it has an interesting plot development, but overall it just felt like filler :(

yes, it was definitely filler.

i guess we really DON'T CARE that pretty-boy is now Prez or that Mr. self-loathing Cylon is Admiral... because we KNOW they're just temporary assignments...

[Chyron]

They shoulda killed Zarek off and made Lee VP in earlier episodes as an interesting side plot, which really would have made this episode able to get on with better plots... Focus now on Lee AS prez, not wasting an episode on trying to get Lee to be prez... plus unless Zarek is the final Cylon, HES FRACKING USELESS!!!

[rfdrfd]

yes, it was definitely filler.

i guess we really DON'T CARE that pretty-boy is now Prez or that Mr. self-loathing Cylon is Admiral... because we KNOW they're just temporary assignments...

It was so obvious Lee was gonna be next Prez.

But it was nice to see what happens to Athena after shooting 6. Haha, the sexy 6 in the brig is pregnant? Haha... dammm she is sexy in that outfit.

[konfusion666]

It was so obvious Lee was gonna be next Prez.

But it was nice to see what happens to Athena after shooting 6. Haha, the sexy 6 in the brig is pregnant? Haha... dammm she is sexy in that outfit.

i prefer the one who got shot by athena.

dunno, it must be the hair color/style.

[dell]

The 6 that got shot by athena is Tricia Helfers real hair color while the bleached blonde hair is a wig. I remember seeing Tricia on Cribs and her hair was like that.

[rfdrfd]

Well that was a fast episode. Jumped in, killed the hub, jumped back already to meet lonely Admiral all in one episode.

I found it strange that Deanna wakes up WITH make-up all on. Lipstick, mascara and all haha

[goldenegg]

I found it strange that Deanna wakes up WITH make-up all on. Lipstick, mascara and all haha

I doubt Cylons wear makeup. Everything about their physical appearance is most likely just part of the model.

[MrDisco]

that episode was meh. at least they spent a few bucks on some cg fight scenes.

[konfusion666]

Man, Lucy Lawless doesn't really look like "Xena" any more.
Thank goodness!
I think she actually looks semi-attractive now. :lol:

[Chyron]

I totally thought this episode rocked... didn't like the Helo Sharon moments, but i was great! Needed that happy moment between Adama and Roslin...

[rfdrfd]

Man, Lucy Lawless doesn't really look like "Xena" any more.
Thank goodness!
I think she actually looks semi-attractive now. :lol:

Did you forget her Maxim shoot?

http://www.xenafan.com/articles/maxim/


http://www.xenafan.com/articles/maxim/lucy_on_maxim_cover_lg_thb.jpg

[Nightgod]

This episode was good, I don't why but I was expecting more at the end

[rfdrfd]

This episode was good, I don't why but I was expecting more at the end

Same here. So what's next? That wasn't the final final final episode right?

So they get to a ruined Earth? That's it?

[rfdrfd]

I hope this whole thing isn't going to end with cylons and humans living happily together on Earth. Man, that would be the worst.

Frak, I guess my prediction was right.....I really didn't want this type of an ending.

[goldenegg]

Same here. So what's next? That wasn't the final final final episode right?

So they get to a ruined Earth? That's it?

There are still 10 episodes to air next year.

I'm very happy that Earth wasn't the wonderful happy place they were expecting. I was hoping to find out who the fifth is, but I guess we need to wait.

[Nightgod]

I'm wondering what's going to happen to the other cylons, are they going to come to earth as well?

[silentio]

There are still 10 episodes to air next year.

I'm very happy that Earth wasn't the wonderful happy place they were expecting. I was hoping to find out who the fifth is, but I guess we need to wait.


With the 2 Razor episodes already aired, you mean there are 8 left, or 10 left?

[konfusion666]

Frak, I guess my prediction was right.....I really didn't want this type of an ending.

*shrug* with 10 episodes left, and 1 more cylon to be revealed, there's still plenty of opportunity for more conflict

not to mention the "evil" cylons who are presumably still out there in their undamaged base stars who could probably whup the fleet's ass once they catch up to them

[Oni-kun]

That episode was FRAKING amazing!

[Johan Liebert]

Read on some site, they landed on the lower part of New York. It kind of seem like New York, if it is, WHY DOES IT have to BE New York?

I wonder if Canada survived in that period. :)

[YYZFA]

Battlestar Galactica meets Planet of the Apes. "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!"

[Talamasca]

Read on some site, they landed on the lower part of New York. It kind of seem like New York, if it is, WHY DOES IT have to BE New York?

I wonder if Canada survived in that period. :)

It's always New York. How many times has it been destroyed in the movies? ;)

Man, we've got to wait until Feb/Mar 2009 for new eps?

[mattpiloto]

It's always New York. How many times has it been destroyed in the movies? ;)

Man, we've got to wait until Feb/Mar 2009 for new eps?


i think it's supposed to be jan. Frak them!!! Frak them all to heck!!!

[Broli's Mom]

Read on some site, they landed on the lower part of New York. It kind of seem like New York, if it is, WHY DOES IT have to BE New York?

I wonder if Canada survived in that period. :)

It didn't look like New York to me. There was a scene in the episode with Starbuck and Adama in Adama's study where they were both leafing through a book. They came to a page with an illustration of an old temple and Starbuck said "The Temple of..." - I forget the name. From the looks of the ruins, they landed right by that temple - or where it once stood.

[Chyron]

It didn't look like New York to me. There was a scene in the episode with Starbuck and Adama in Adama's study where they were both leafing through a book. They came to a page with an illustration of an old temple and Starbuck said "The Temple of..." - I forget the name. From the looks of the ruins, they landed right by that temple - or where it once stood.


It's the temple of Aurora, and apparently it's supposed to be Australia from the college with overlooks the bay... i forget the name...

Interesting theory if it is Australia because that would explain the "Opera House"...

[DrunkDog]

Why would they land in Australia though? Since they came from space, they could clearly see Australia was an island isolated from all other land masses.

[rfdrfd]

It's the temple of Aurora, and apparently it's supposed to be Australia from the college with overlooks the bay... i forget the name...

Interesting theory if it is Australia because that would explain the "Opera House"...

Ah right, Opera house !


So what's supposed to happen? They find this opera house, then what? See tons of humans living happily or something?

[konfusion666]

So what's supposed to happen? They find this opera house, then what?

Then, they start singing. ;)

[rfdrfd]

Then, they start singing. ;)

If Gaeta sings again, I'm going to give up on this show !! Never buy their DVDs

[rabbit]

The finale of the show will be a rave. Humans and cylons will stand in a circle, holding hands and swapping ponchos.

[manixc]

just watched ep 10. holy ****. damn it, can't believe I have to wait till next year.

[rfdrfd]

just watched ep 10. holy ****. damn it, can't believe I have to wait till next year.

Which one is Ep 10 ? Is it the one that ends with them standing in shock on Earth?

[manixc]

Which one is Ep 10 ? Is it the one that ends with them standing in shock on Earth?

yeah, the mid season finale

[rabbit]

They should just say that's the season, and when the show starts up again, it's a new season. This half-season business is half-as....

[DVST8]

Thank the GODS BSG is back on 2nite. Simply shocking what happens!

[SAN66]

Awesome episode and I don't think Ellen is really the last cylon. I think its a little more complex than that, there is the whole starbuck thing too.

[N_Raged]

Holy hell that was dark. Saul is badass as always.

And we know Starbuck's not a cylon because she gave herself a Jedi burial.:razz:

[DVST8]

There were many questions that arose after watching 2nites episode.

Whenever the cylons *Possible Spoiler?* would touch/find a piece of their history, it would bring flashbacks. My question is, when DEE picked up the jacks, I wonder if she found out if she was a cylon as well? They had a close up of a picture of her when she was a child in her locker and that right there made the connection between the jacks she found and her childhood?

[p1mp]

What that was kind of unexpected lol. Great start though!

[rfdrfd]

Someone explain, isn't Starbuck the last cylon then ? I mean, her body was found, dead in the cockpit.

Even the SPACE hosts afterwards says so. So what's the mystery about the final 5th cyclon ?

Or is there more cylons, just that the final 5's 5th is more important?


I think at the end, everyone is a cylon, a hybrid. Cause they all died here 2000 yrs ago and set out to find a new home "Caprica" and again nuked themselves just like they did at Earth

[gflux]

Kara could be a cyclon but she's not the 5th cylon. We've never been shown any family tied to the final 5 and we've seen Kara's crazy mother.

[rabbit]

> Kara could be a cyclon but she's not the 5th cylon.

In a previous episode, when they freed Xena, she said that only four of the final five were in the fleet. It fits with the current episode's revelation, sort of.

Kara's not a cylon, because at the beginning of practically every episode, it clearly says that there are twelve models. She could be part-cylon and part-human, though.

[zedsky]

I'm thinking she is the daughter of Helen and the exo. Those two have always had quite the relationship, similar to a daughter father relationship.

That's just my two cents.

[rabbit]

> I'm thinking she is the daughter of Helen and the exo. Those two have always had quite the relationship, similar to a daughter father relationship.

You mean Ellen and the XO (Executive Officer). Don't think this is possible, for another reason than them showing Starbuck's mother previously: I don't think cyclons can have children with each other, or else they would have done it by now. Mind you, this 'rule' may not apply to the final five.

[Deadlock91]

holy crap im so confused now....:confused: so many questions. the long ass break didn't help either. i struggled to remember the details of what happened before.

[toalan]

The final cylon is the short order cook in the ship's cafe. He has been putting his special sauce on all the meals.

[manixc]

whoa good episode. but darn, didn't expect Dee to do that

[BlazinTrini]

I think Ellen isn't the 5th cylon but a older version of 6. Anytime Saul was around 6 he would see Ellen.

[zod]

I think Ellen isn't the 5th cylon but a older version of 6. Anytime Saul was around 6 he would see Ellen.

I doubt that, because it should of been obvious to Adama, Lee, or Saul. They would of known what Ellen looked like when she was younger, because they they new Saul for quite the while?

You never know though...

btw why doesn't SPACE go HD? it sucks having to download the show to watch in HD, when I'd much rather record it on my PVR.

[randomdef]

I doubt that, because it should of been obvious to Adama, Lee, or Saul. They would of known what Ellen looked like when she was younger, because they they new Saul for quite the while?

You never know though...

btw why doesn't SPACE go HD? it sucks having to download the show to watch in HD, when I'd much rather record it on my PVR.

maybe its been mentioned in the show and I missed it, but I can't think of a single time when they have said that the skinjobs don't age....

[flyman]

Ellen is the 5th cylon.

An interview with “Battlestar” creator Ronald D. Moore on the choice of the final Cylon, Dualla’s death, what’s up with Starbuck and more. Questions are in bold type, answers are in regular type.

Why Ellen?

There’s a certain logic to it. I sort of figured out early on that I liked the pairing of her and Tigh. [I liked] that there was something deeper to their marriage and deeper to their relationship, that it was literally a relationship that had transcended time and space, that it was very ancient that had gone on for a very long time. It was something that was [mentioned] in the pilot for “Galactica.”

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html

[konfusion666]

It was good but not great. To be honest, I just watched "Face of the Enemy" right before 4x11 and I thought that was a bit better...

[shawn99]

Ellen is the 5th cylon.

An interview with “Battlestar” creator Ronald D. Moore on the choice of the final Cylon, Dualla’s death, what’s up with Starbuck and more. Questions are in bold type, answers are in regular type.

Why Ellen?

There’s a certain logic to it. I sort of figured out early on that I liked the pairing of her and Tigh. [I liked] that there was something deeper to their marriage and deeper to their relationship, that it was literally a relationship that had transcended time and space, that it was very ancient that had gone on for a very long time. It was something that was [mentioned] in the pilot for “Galactica.”

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html

How about writing in white font colour or hiding the text and warning, some of us haven' t watched the show man.....geez

[Topher]

How about writing in white font colour or hiding the text and warning, some of us haven' t watched the show man.....geez

Then I'd suggest you don't come in this thread. I purposefully avoided it until I had a chance to watch the episode. Common sense.......

[gflux]

Heaven forbid people talk about the show after it airs in a thread about episode discussion. :rolleyes:

[Tomato_1]

It was good but not great. To be honest, I just watched "Face of the Enemy" right before 4x11 and I thought that was a bit better...

thank you!!! The internetz is all over how this episode was better than the second coming. It was average at best. Some typical whiny, self indulgent, BSG schlock which has been done before. Don't what the spoiler rules are here. So I won't go too much into it.

But the final cylon. So what?? Who cares if we know. How does that change the story at all. Why were the five hidden from the others. What are they going to do but be all emo.. Anyways. I'm glad this is the final season. I would've stopped watching it long ago but only 10 more episodes to go. I can always FF and get to the interest parts.

This show jumped the shark, after the new caprica ark.

[ipxxx]

i love reading these posts and seeing how many times people type "cyclon" instead of "cylon" =)

[randomdef]

So whats next guys ? another 4 seasons to search for a new planet ... I hope the other Cylon fleet shows up and blows something up cause the last epsiode the only thing that caught my attention was the fast forward.

this is the last season, last 10 episodes.

[Broseph]

Huge let down.

Show ruined.

[Talamasca]

Loved the episode. Damn if this show isn't depressing though.

[puppetswhokill]

Loved the episode. Damn if this show isn't depressing though.

Looks like tonight's ep was no better, depressing sh|T :(

Spoilers: I hope Starbuck beats Gaeta to death with his peg leg for this mutiny nonsense! That little b|tch has irritated me for the past few seasons! Also did anyone else notice Adama looking like he was having a heart attack? Maybe he's the dying leader and not Roslin ... definately something to think about.

[rfdrfd]

Looks like tonight's ep was no better, depressing sh|T :(



Well don't forget, it was Starbuck's fault that Gaeta's leg got shot. Also it was waiting for Starbuck that caused his leg to be not salvageable. So if someone caused me to lose a leg, I'd be pissed at him/her too.

Besides, Starbuck is a cylon ! Not human, why support her?

[puppetswhokill]

Well don't forget, it was Starbuck's fault that Gaeta's leg got shot. Also it was waiting for Starbuck that caused his leg to be not salvageable. So if someone caused me to lose a leg, I'd be pissed at him/her too.

Besides, Starbuck is a cylon ! Not human, why support her?

You make some good points about the whole leg business but I'm not sure if you watched the Gaeta webisodes which showed he was responsible for generating death lists ... ie. Gaeta has it coming in my opinion. As for Starbuck regardless if she is a Cylon, which I doubt, she has saved the fleet numerous times and a key character in the overall story.

[nm486]

Well I'd have to say not much happened this episode...but now its obvious its building up to something pretty huge! But yeah, as for Gaeta...he's gonna get it soon enough :)

[divx]

You guys watching it on tv? They don't release it online that quick.

[puppetswhokill]

You guys watching it on tv? They don't release it online that quick.

I watch it at 10pm on Space (Channel 50 for me) :D

[zod]

Its already around in 720p for hours. Its shame the only source of the show in HD is the internet. Stupid Space Channel, give up the rights for an HD channel :)

[Vashin]

You make some good points about the whole leg business but I'm not sure if you watched the Gaeta webisodes which showed he was responsible for generating death lists ... ie. Gaeta has it coming in my opinion. As for Starbuck regardless if she is a Cylon, which I doubt, she has saved the fleet numerous times and a key character in the overall story.

well he didn't knowingly make those lists

[puppetswhokill]

well he didn't knowingly make those lists

I thought it was quite clear that he subconsciously knew what was going on but he was in to much denial to do anything about it! Regardless, its Gaeta's time to go out an airlock in my eyes especially after tonight's events :cheesygri

[rfdrfd]

I thought it was quite clear that he subconsciously knew what was going on but he was in to much denial to do anything about it! Regardless, its Gaeta's time to go out an airlock in my eyes especially after tonight's events :cheesygri

I guess others have already answered it, but yes, Gaeta thought he was saving people by giving the names. I don't think Gaeta knew later that he was making a death list, because in the webisodes, when Grace park told him when they were in the Raptor, he was shocked. That moment was when he realized the lists were for killing people. Grace P. told him she let some of them go to trick Gaeta to seeing her save them too.

Well, to me, Gaeta is no worse than Baltar. He was the guy who gave the cylons the codes in the first place that allowed them to attack and nuke Caprica. If he didn't, this whole thing wouldn't have started.

Baltar was also a traitor, liar, and worked with the cyolons in new Caprica all because he was afraid to die. As Lee Adama nicely puts it on Baltar's trial, everyone gets a pardon, but not this guy, cause we just hate him.

So if Baltar is found not guilty and still able to sleep with his group of horny ladies, I see no reason Gaeta deserves to die.


So its natural imo, that Gaeta wants revenge.

[Oni-kun]

So its all a bit confusing, did Gaeta just get turned off from women after the whole incident with one of the Sharon's on new caprica? lol

[rabbit]

Good episode. I could have done without Baltar, though. His character wasn't great to begin with; now, it's just sad. Even Six has lost interest in him.

The Final Five seem like they're just humans that have been given cylon citizenship.

[rabbit]

BTW Gaeta's big plan to overthrow Adama/Roslin is to sing his way to victory.

[Vashin]

at the beginning of the show gaeta was one of those young, forward looking, naive characters with a lot of potential. However like all things BSG they frakked him up mentally and physically and now you have this gayta

[Deadlock91]

meh not the greatest episode not much happened . gatea is an idiot

[konfusion666]

Its already around in 720p for hours. Its shame the only source of the show in HD is the internet. Stupid Space Channel, give up the rights for an HD channel :)

how do you watch the 720p downloads anyways, do you need a special player?

[originalnutta]

do you need a special player?

Yeah.

My PC.

[MrDisco]

how do you watch the 720p downloads anyways, do you need a special player?

The same as any other video download. A software player and the appropriate codecs (and a pc powerful enough to play it back smoothly).

[divx]

how do you watch the 720p downloads anyways, do you need a special player?

cccp

[rilhouse]

how do you watch the 720p downloads anyways, do you need a special player?

you can watch them on your PC, 360 or PS3. i have sympathy for gatea, all these cylons running around the fleet some in high positions, i'd be pissed too. i say throw all the cylons out the airlock. :twisted:

[konfusion666]

cccp

I dislike CCCP because I tend to hate "all in 1" codec packs, i feel like there's always malware hiding in there. what is the exact codec that the 720p downloads use? I assume it's not xvid since that's all I have installed at the moment.

to get back on topic :) I think the Gaeta subplot is the only interesting thing going on right now. The President's condition is... both baffling and boring. Baltar's Messiah-wannabe performance is... the same thing as before, so it's also boring. The behaviour of the 2 Adama's is a bit unrealistic, I don't know why they're so keen to jump in bed with the Cylons. If it wasn't for Gaeta the whole ep would have been a write-off (do we really care about "Sausage" or "Hot Dog" or whatever his name is, being the true father of the chubby little baby?)

[zod]

I dislike CCCP because I tend to hate "all in 1" codec packs, i feel like there's always malware hiding in there. what is the exact codec that the 720p downloads use? I assume it's not xvid since that's all I have installed at the moment.

to get back on topic :) I think the Gaeta subplot is the only interesting thing going on right now. The President's condition is... both baffling and boring. Baltar's Messiah-wannabe performance is... the same thing as before, so it's also boring. The behaviour of the 2 Adama's is a bit unrealistic, I don't know why they're so keen to jump in bed with the Cylons. If it wasn't for Gaeta the whole ep would have been a write-off (do we really care about "Sausage" or "Hot Dog" or whatever his name is, being the true father of the chubby little baby?)

I use media player classic which has a built in matroska splitter. So I really needed to add to it for mkv support was a COREAVC codec and AVCfilter codec for the audio. Works great. I even ran 25ft optical audio/dvi2hdmi cables to the tv, so I can watch HD stuff on the TV..

[SAN66]

do we really care about "Sausage" or "Hot Dog" or whatever his name is, being the true father of the chubby little baby?

That was instated to show that Hera is the only human-cylon hybrid child as people were questioning why there was all this "prophecy" surrounding Hera but not Nicholas.

[Jaytee]

When Cylons are not trying to kill Humans, this show is boring.

[rilhouse]

When Cylons are not trying to kill Humans, this show is boring.

+1 prefered "us vs them". i guess they are going for the "can't we just all get along?" angle. i hope the next episode is better.

[rfdrfd]

When Cylons are not trying to kill Humans, this show is boring.

http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/jump_the_shark.png

[Jaytee]

Jumped the shark indeed.

The boredom is brutal post Earth.

See if I was the writer, the final episode they would try to terraform Earth but in the process discover a third race, which they call Zergs. The discovery of the new races triggers a epic war over these blue crystals which can be refined into Tylium. The Cylon break away from humans and now call themselves by their original name, Protoss. The BattleStar Galactica is renamed to BattleCruiser Galactica. Then they spin off into a show called StarCraft. :D Now that is something I would like to watch.

[thelefteyeguy]

guess everybody agrees...what a snooze so far this season

[rabbit]

I wonder if Starbuck and Hera are the same person.

[flyman]

wow am speechless after watching tonights episode!!!! It was so INTENSE towards the end!!!

[N_Raged]

Please kill off Gayta. Such an annoying character. Oh gee let's cut off his leg, make him gay, then choose him of all people to lead the revolution. :rolleyes:

It boggles the mind why Bill and Saul didn't go on that shuttle, but then a captain never abandons his ship.

Good to see Tyrol back in shape though.

[MrDisco]

i'm astounded by how that ep ended. :O

so what's the leading theory as to how this will all end? i hope it doesn't turn out they all join hands and fly off into the sunset.

[zod]

i'm astounded by how that ep ended. :O

so what's the leading theory as to how this will all end? i hope it doesn't turn out they all join hands and fly off into the sunset.

I figure it has to repeat somehow? It all happened before and it will all happen again. So I figure they have to find a habitable planet and start over so the cycle can repeat.

But damn that was a good episode.. I was a little bummed when it was too be continued.. I was very much into this episode.

EDIT: I just had another thought. The most habitable planet they found so far was Kobol. What if they end up there again at the end of the series. The survivors of the 12 colonies and the cyclons once again being the 13th colony.. lol. Now that'd really be repeating itself.

[puppetswhokill]

Gaeta needs to be killed off immediately while I want Adama to choke Zarek to death :D Fantastic ep btw! It's going to be a long wait till next friday :(

[konfusion666]

finally, a good galactica ep.

i hope they don't wuss out like goody-two-shoes and offer the insurgents "amnesty". they need to execute all of them now. :/

[SAN66]

That was awesome!

I'm guessing the grenade was just a flash/gas grenade, Adama and Ty are taken captive. The rebels still have command of Galactica. At the worst possible moment, with the fleet in disarray... BAM! Cavill and the Cylon fleet show up. Things are going to **** so the rebels concede to give command back to Adama.

[konfusion666]

don't forget starbuck and apollo are still around; before things come to a final resolution, i'm sure there will be a few firefights and starbuck will get to pop a few of the ex-pegasus insurgents in the head (if for no other reason than to satisfy bloodthirsty fans like me :razz: )

[silentio]

yep grenade has to be a flashbang.

I think the president is dead next episode. I see how much time they spent building up the relationship between adama and the president, and the long kiss scene. Great setup for killing her and putting him into a killing rage after he takes back the ship.

[SAN66]

yep grenade has to be a flashbang.

I think the president is dead next episode. I see how much time they spent building up the relationship between adama and the president, and the long kiss scene. Great setup for killing her and putting him into a killing rage after he takes back the ship.

But Baltar is integral to the conclusion of the series, so how do they kill Roslin without killing Baltar?

[rilhouse]

good episode. i'm actually hoping Gaeta et al are successful. i think this would make things more interesting.

[flyman]

FRAK!! check out the preview for next weeks episode!!!

Roslin's PISSED!!
http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=976061

[rfdrfd]

That was awesome!

I'm guessing the grenade was just a flash/gas grenade, Adama and Ty are taken captive. The rebels still have command of Galactica. At the worst possible moment, with the fleet in disarray... BAM! Cavill and the Cylon fleet show up. Things are going to **** so the rebels concede to give command back to Adama.

Was this last episode titled: A Disquiet Follows My Soul ? (Ep. 12) ??

[konfusion666]

Was this last episode titled: A Disquiet Follows My Soul ? (Ep. 12) ??

no, we are on S04E13 now

[rfdrfd]

no, we are on S04E13 now

Ah thank you!

I missed the first 1/2 hr of it, still not available for downloading yet.... I got the Ep12, and thought,... wait a tick, I've seen this already..

[rabbit]

> good episode. i'm actually hoping Gaeta et al are successful. i think this would make things more interesting.

Agreed. Killing off Adama and Tigh would be pretty ballsy too, so it means they won't do it, since they only go so far as killing-lesser lights for cheap praise.



> I missed the first 1/2 hr of it, still not available for downloading yet....

EP13 has been available for >24 hours.

[belowzeros]

man that ep redeemed the previous Ron Moore written/directed that seemed to be a mess and a complete borefest...oh how we were fooled. I kinda feel sorry for him now because he had to do the setup for this one and it was fantastic.

i can't really see the ending which is odd considering how few are left. I definitely don't think it's going to be a climax anyone is expecting. they are all cylons?...where's the resurrection device that the 5 used on earth...finding earth posed more questions than answers...what the frack is going on lol...

[rabbit]

I don't understand Lee's problem with Tigh ("your people annhilated the human race"), seeing as he didn't seem to have a problem with Athena, from what I can recall.

It also seems out of character for Lee, who thought that Baltar should have been absolved for his crimes on Caprica, and gets along fine with, the former criminal, Zarek.

Hating Tigh for being a cylon is like hating Japanese Americans during WWII, and it doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that Lee would do.

[manixc]

good episode. i'm actually hoping Gaeta et al are successful. i think this would make things more interesting.
+1

I am starting to hate Adama and Rosalyn's almighty attitude. It's like after Earth, they just don't even try anymore.

go Gaeta, about time he get some.

[Vashin]

> good episode. i'm actually hoping Gaeta et al are successful. i think this would make things more interesting.

Agreed. Killing off Adama and Tigh would be pretty ballsy too, so it means they won't do it, since they only go so far as killing-lesser lights for cheap praise.


They would never kill off both tigh and adama, that's not their style. They'd rather kill of one of them so the other can cry

[rfdrfd]

That was a cool episode. I love Adama's "Shove it up your a$$" answer to Gaeta's accusations.

But I thought the writer's lines for Gaeta was pretty weak in questioning Adama to prove his Treason charges. Aiding the enemy? Come on. Weak.

Loved how Pres Ros. got pissed off haha... Not now, not EVER !!!!

[YYZFA]

That was a good episode! I loved every minute of it. Zarek murdering the Quorum really surprised me.

[konfusion666]

who was the guy in charge of the firing squad? i've seen him in other sci-fi before.

[Talamasca]

who was the guy in charge of the firing squad? i've seen him in other sci-fi before.

You mean Sebastian Spence? He was the star of the series "First Wave" a few years ago. Now's he's a glorified extra. Heh.

[rabbit]

> That was a cool episode. I love Adama's "Shove it up your a$$" answer to Gaeta's accusations.
+
Loved how Pres Ros. got pissed off haha... Not now, not EVER !!!!

Yep, those were the two best lines in the show, and possibly, the series.

While the episode was good, it wasn't near the level as the previous episode, but that's almost always the case; the build-up is better than the conclusion.


What was the black crap that Tyrol was looking at during the end of the episode? Was it a crack in the wall? A secret trans-dimensional spacerift to a paradise planet?

[zod]

> That was a cool episode. I love Adama's "Shove it up your a$$" answer to Gaeta's accusations.
+
Loved how Pres Ros. got pissed off haha... Not now, not EVER !!!!

Yep, those were the two best lines in the show, and possibly, the series.

While the episode was good, it wasn't near the level as the previous episode, but that's almost always the case; the build-up is better than the conclusion.


What was the black crap that Tyrol was looking at during the end of the episode? Was it a crack in the wall? A secret trans-dimensional spacerift to a paradise planet?

I thought it was a hull breach, it looked like a crack surrounded by ice. So I thought he was going to suffocate or something, but then they cut away and never addressed it again.

[rfdrfd]

That was a good episode! I loved every minute of it. Zarek murdering the Quorum really surprised me.

I know eh, but I think the writers probably was thinking on the same lines of the viewers on the Quorum. After so many stupid episodes of them complaining and biiitching, yap yap yap, while the army is keeping their a$$es alive. If I was there, I'd be saying "Shut the frak up already ! Grab a gun and help out."


[i]>
What was the black crap that Tyrol was looking at during the end of the episode? Was it a crack in the wall? A secret trans-dimensional spacerift to a paradise planet?

I almost forgot about that scene. Seeing the preview about some new revelation, I think that crack must be some space time portal or something. I hope not, cause that sounds too much like Star Trek now.

Because Sam in the preview was saying he now realizes everything, why they were on Earth and something, something.



I got a question, what was Gaeta and Baltar's secret connection or something signed with a special pen thing? On new Caprica. I don't quite remember.

And why was Dr Baltar having coffee with Gaeta ? What was that supposed to be about ? Last meal before firing squad?

[zod]

I got a question, what was Gaeta and Baltar's secret connection or something signed with a special pen thing? On new Caprica. I don't quite remember.

And why was Dr Baltar having coffee with Gaeta ? What was that supposed to be about ? Last meal before firing squad?

Gaeta was duped by a cylon a new caprica and actually drafted the death lists himself (i think it was in the webisodes), allthough he didn't realize what he was doing. He thought he was protecting people, when the cylons were using those names for executions.

I suppose that was also Gaeta's last meal. Gaeta used to be Balters lapdog, so I guess they're was still some respect there?

[konfusion666]

how many eps left? a bunch of ppl have been knocked off already this season:

- dee
- zarek
- gaeta
- who's next?

[gflux]

Gaeta was duped by a cylon a new caprica and actually drafted the death lists himself (i think it was in the webisodes), allthough he didn't realize what he was doing. He thought he was protecting people, when the cylons were using those names for executions.

Kind of funny that he's the voice of L (from Death Note) whose job is to go after the guy who makes lists names of people who should die.

[BlazinTrini]

how many eps left? a bunch of ppl have been knocked off already this season:

- dee
- zarek
- gaeta
- who's next?


the thing is we arn't 100% sure that Zarek and Gaeta are knocked off since it ended right after the shots went off. I'm sure we will get verification on that in next weeks episode

[rabbit]

I forgot to mention ...

They shouldn't have shot those two; better to airlock them. They didn't deserve the bullets. Well, maybe Gaeta did, since he was once an officer, but Zarek was always a scumbag.



The first episode of Caprica will be released on DVD before it airs. And there will also be a BSG movie called "the Plan", which I have no idea what it will be about.

[Chyron]

I forgot to mention ...
The first episode of Caprica will be released on DVD before it airs. And there will also be a BSG movie called "the Plan", which I have no idea what it will be about.

Caprica comes out on dvd in April and "The Plan" is about the original attacks on the colonies but from the perspective of the Cylons

[belowzeros]

I forgot to mention ...

They shouldn't have shot those two; better to airlock them. They didn't deserve the bullets. Well, maybe Gaeta did, since he was once an officer, but Zarek was always a scumbag.


I would have enjoyed that myself also, more a fitting ending to both of them. Gaeta wasn't completely oblivious to what was happening with the lists. How could he be when people started disappearing would he think it just a coincidence? They weren't on new caprica for a holiday weekend he must have noticed over the course of time. I don't think he was oblivious, the webisodes kind of eluded to that.

I wonder if we are supposed to be thinking the ship is tearing down in the engine room. It's probably got the most hull stress and it's an ancient ship. I bet they need a stardock to repair that kind of damage and they just don't have one. So I think maybe they are going to have no choice but to put down permanently somewhere?.....

sad if that's how it ends...I want to know how the final 5 resurrected and travelled and if Ellen was really the last 5 or just an aged 6 or something like that. I still think kara is probably the last model, her crashed ship stuff is too weird >.>

[rfdrfd]

Gaeta was duped by a cylon a new caprica and actually drafted the death lists himself (i think it was in the webisodes), allthough he didn't realize what he was doing. He thought he was protecting people, when the cylons were using those names for executions.

I suppose that was also Gaeta's last meal. Gaeta used to be Balters lapdog, so I guess they're was still some respect there?

Ah right, thank you. Yes, I remember the Webisodes.

[DVST8]

finally caught up with last nights episode. Very powerful and such a shame to see Zarek & Gaeta go. But can't wait to see how the rest of the story unfolds.

[manixc]

That was a good episode! I loved every minute of it. Zarek murdering the Quorum really surprised me.
The moment Zarek walked out; I knew he's going to kill them. After all, he is a terrorist.
I am actually surprised that the Quorum decides to back Roslyn, considering the fact that they are always complaining about her.

Such a shame about Gaeta. I always like the character, the guy who has the best intentions and always tried to do the right thing (even with the list and coup) but never getting the results he wanted.

[rabbit]

> I am actually surprised that the Quorum decides to back Roslyn, considering the fact that they are always complaining about her.

They probably thought that they would be worse off with Zarek as president (ie. a repeat of Baltar as president).

[Super strokey]

Man this episode was good! I seriously love this show. 100% buying them once they are out as a 4 season blu ray package. I seriously wonder where this is gonna go. My questions are:

1. will the find the 5th or is she gone for good?
2. what did tyrol find?
3. Whats up with starbuck? Is she a cylon or something else?
4. what will happen with the ship/fleet?

great great show.

[rabbit]

To end the series, they should do a DS9: Trials and Tribble-lations, and have Edward James Olmos shake hands with Lorne Greene.

[MrDisco]

Man this episode was good!

Very crucial episode, though I didn't get the history of the 5 cylons and how this all happened before.


To end the series, they should do a DS9: Trials and Tribble-lations, and have Edward James Olmos shake hands with Lorne Greene.

And bring in a cameo by Boxey & Muffit II.

[Majoram]

Man that was a sweet episode!

Still haven't gotten all that info quite straight in my head though.

Wish there was a summary somewhere.

[rabbit]

Wow, Bill Gates is on Battlestar Galactica! (Not really ... just some dude who looks like him, or rather, the guy in the Apple commercials.) Really good episode, although, as I've said many times before, the writers decided to change the rules again. It's like reading a detective story with clues to see if you can solve it before the end of book, but then you find out that you've been given false clues.

[prvt10]

I love the show but it is so confusing. Thousands of years ago, the humans of the twelve colonies built human-looking cylons. For some reason, these cylons made a mass exodus to earth. Then, somehow, the humans forgot all about the cylons and forgot the technology to make to them. It took them thousands of years for them to rediscover the technology to make cylons and these cylons were still crude, primitive, and metallic unlike the human-like cylons of long ago. That makes no sense. Also that evil old cylon, erased the memories of the final five and sent them to the twelve colonies to await it's destruction. Yet somehow all five survived the nukes that killed billions. That is absurdly unlikely.

[Krox]

I'm a little confused. Who was the war on earth with? Earth was populated by organic cylons who reproduced with sex. But who nuked the earth?

[zod]

Caprica comes out on dvd in April and "The Plan" is about the original attacks on the colonies but from the perspective of the Cylons

I don't think thats entirely correct. They're making a Battlestar Galactica TV movie that fits your description.

Caprica takes place well before Battlestar Galactica pilot?

[prvt10]

I'm a little confused. Who was the war on earth with? Earth was populated by organic cylons who reproduced with sex. But who nuked the earth?

The war was fought between the human cylons and the centurians they built and enslaved. The final five were survivors of the destruction and they went back to the twelve colonies to warn the humans that metal cylons will rebel if they are oppressed. But they were too late. The first war between the humans and cylons had already started. To make the cylons end the war, the final five gave the cylons the resurrection ship and 7 or 8 human-like cylons.

[Rogue_77]

Loved last night's ep. Still trying to understand the whole human-cylon past. Got a kick to seeing PC there. That was the guy who did the brain op, wasn't it? The guy from those I'm a PC/I'm a Mac commercials?

[MrDisco]

The guy from those I'm a PC/I'm a Mac commercials?

Yeah John Hodges, formerly of The Daily Show.

[rabbit]

> The war was fought between the human cylons and the centurians they built and enslaved. ... To make the cylons end the war, the final five gave the cylons the resurrection ship and 7 or 8 human-like cylons.

Those two sentences are contradictory. In the first sentence, remove "the human cylons and".

Basically, the Final Five aren't cylons at all. They are resurrected versions of the Thirteenth Tribe, which explains how Tigh and Six can have a child.

So I wonder if Starbuck has the essence of Seven. Remember how fans of the old BSG complained that Starbuck was a woman? Maybe in the new BSG, Starbuck used to be a man :D.

PS. The weak part of the show/series was that explanation given by ... (forgot his name/number) to Ellen. That story regarding the Final Five is really stretching it.

[konfusion666]

If the final five aren't cylons then what are they?

When Sam was in his delirious state, he said something about how on Earth they were having a blast procreating biologically (gettin' it on!) that they forgot how to do organic downloads ... but him and his 5-man research team figured it out again, led by Ellen I suppose. And that organic downloading allowed them to survive the nuclear holocaust alluded to in the scene where Galen is buying vegetables and then gets nuked.

So, I disagree, I do believe they are some sort of "organic cylon-like creature". ;)

Also, can anyone remember who the other people were in the scene with Galen at the marketplace? Were they copies of the 12 Cylon models or simply random folks?

[konfusion666]

Very crucial episode, though I didn't get the history of the 5 cylons and how this all happened before.


Disco, I think Super Strokey is talking about last week's ep ;)

[Majoram]

Basically, the Final Five aren't cylons at all. They are resurrected versions of the Thirteenth Tribe, which explains how Tigh and Six can have a child.

The Final Five are Cylons. It's confirmed by John/Caliv multiple times.
He has said to Helen that she is not a human, she is a machine.

He also mentioned (I don't have the exact words), that he is proud his and her ancestors "did not crawl out of the swamp".

Tigh and Six can have a child because they are different "revisions" of Cylons.
Remember that the Final Five are COPIES of the organic Cylons from Earth and they had "learned/evolved" to reproduce normally.

The new revisions that the final five made, are missing something and are thus not able to procreate with Each Other.

PS. The weak part of the show/series was that explanation given by ... (forgot his name/number) to Ellen. That story regarding the Final Five is really stretching it.

how is it stretching it?

Also, can anyone remember who the other people were in the scene with Galen at the marketplace? Were they copies of the 12 Cylon models or simply random folks?

From what I remember, it was just random folks. I remember specifically looking around for the other models.

With this episode I've been rewatching the show and reading forums trying to piece together the whole story and questions that are left.

I'll try to do a write up and post it tonight.

[prvt10]

Televisionwithoutpity has a synopsis.

From http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/battlestar_galactica/no_exit_2.php

If I actually have this straight: Thirteen Tribes set out from Kobol, and the Thirteenth (Cylons) settled on Earth, where they stopped resurrecting and had babies instead. They created robots, I think, who went crazy on them and threw them a big old war just like ours did. Luckily, a group of five scientist-types were able to rediscover resurrection technology, and download themselves into new bodies at the moment of their holocaust. (After being warned by mysterious and invisible Sexy Chip People, no less.) Tory and Galen were the hot young couple, Saul and Ellen were the hot old couple, and Sam was apparently like what if Bob Dylan hung out with Watson and Crick. So they took a sublight voyage backwards along Athena's Arrow, to find the other Tribes and tell them in no uncertain terms, Do Not **** With Robots.

Sadly, the robots did not go un****ed with. The F5 got here too late, but forged the Armistice out of promises to help the Centurions create skinjobs. This they did: eight humanoid models, to further the toasters' goal of becoming more like their creators (as seen in the whole Hybrid lineage). Yes, I did say eight models. For a total of thirteen, at the fulcrum point of which is Seven, a model named Daniel that never made it off the production floor (except for the one that knocked up Socrata Thrace, I will bet you one trillion dollars) because Cavil, the firstborn son, was jealous of him in an insane Biblical grabbing-the-foot kinda way. Then he murdered and boxed the F5, and released them every few years into the population until the holocaust was ready to go. Which is where we came in.

[Majoram]

Televisionwithoutpity has a synopsis.

From http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/battlestar_galactica/no_exit_2.php

Well that sums it up. I guess my synopsis is not needed then.
Though he does mix his own theory and stuff with confirmed stuff.

I don't remember for sure but it's not really confirmed that Metal-Cylons are the ones that nuked the Earth-Organic-Cylons.

And I don't remember any confirmation that the 13th Tribe was Cylons. Of course it does make sense.

It has all happened before and will happen again :)
Organics make -> AI/Cylons -> Cylons rebel against Organics -> Cylons make Organic Cylons -> Mix and repeat :)

[prvt10]

When the Galatica arrived on earth, they did some digging and found the head of a centurion and bone fragments. They tested the bone fragments and discovered they were all cylons. So earth was populated by biological cylons and metallic centurions.

[manixc]

awesome ep. love the PC guy as the brain doctor. I think the story is starting to make more senses.

[N_Raged]

Cavil's speech about witnessing the supernova with his limited senses was great. What an awesome villain.

[rabbit]

[i]>> Basically, the Final Five aren't cylons at all. They are resurrected versions of the Thirteenth Tribe, which explains how Tigh and Six can have a child.

> The Final Five are Cylons. It's confirmed by John/Caliv multiple times.
He has said to Helen that she is not a human, she is a machine.


I agree that Ellen is a machine; she's been resurrected. However, she is not true cylon; her "line" did not originate from the cylons.

I guess the question is: Were the people of Earth cylons? My definition of "cylon" are the machines created by the Twelve Colonies, and their own creations.




[i]>> PS. The weak part of the show/series was that explanation given by ... (forgot his name/number) to Ellen. That story regarding the Final Five is really stretching it.

> how is it stretching it?


What Ellen said.

[rfdrfd]

Not a bad episode, but when a show has to have an episode with someone explaining the entire story, it just tells me the writers got the plot into such deep territory, the viewers are all confused.

Much like X-files, and Lost.

[nfuz]

the viewers are all confused.

Much like X-files

X-Files was totally not confusing!
Best show ever

[belowzeros]

I didn't enjoy the episode at all...well that's probably a lie, it's just that my face melted from the overload. The series' story telling and pace just did a one up 360 and stepped on the gas really hard. It's all too convenient to fit the series end in 6 or whatever shows. To me it feels forced, kinda like bill gates' cameo which pulled me out the immersion too many times.

I understand the origin concepts they just dumped on us but man that must be uber confusing for the average viewer. The F5 are earthlings, Ellen discovering the science of resurrection long forgotten on Kobol. That lets them resurrect to a ship in orbit around earth when the war breaks out. They quickly high tail it back to the colonies to warn them about the danger brewing. The F5 appease the toasters by offering skinjobs so you get the 40 year armistice. Cavil eventually goes all nutty with jealousy, envy and resentment though and kills the F5, he resurrects them on Earth to die in the war without their memories. Ultimately was Cavil right to declare war on humanity because he hated the F5?...the man's got issues.

Kara's gotta be a descendant of Daniel so she's a half-7 or possibly even has 7's memory imprint...I called it =p

So now both of Bill's girls have cancer...one has to wonder if the ship was the dying leader that Pythia talks about in scripture...dun dun dunn


I loved a couple of cavil's rants he was definitely the highlight of the week. He's a great actor and did a wonderful job with the writing. They might have laid a bit much on his shoulders though imho. The neat little bow they tried to put on everything was a little much.

[Rogue_77]

Where was Bill Gates' cameo? Or was all that reference to the PC guy?

[rfdrfd]

I didn't enjoy the episode at all...well that's probably a lie, it's just that my face melted from the overload. The series' story telling and pace just did a one up 360 and stepped on the gas really hard. It's all too convenient to fit the series end in 6 or whatever shows.

+1


Total overload of info. Seems like each event the brain bullet dude said could have been an episode in itself. Like the writers ran out of episodes left to explain it all, so kazaam, just get someone to tell the entire story to us in 20min, so we don't have to film nothing.

Much like how Star Trek's Q, that snapped his fingers and DONE, crisis solved. Everything explained.

Not a good episode at all.

[rabbit]

Yeah, maybe, but would you rather have everything crammed, or have everything left unexplained, with the series over?

[MrDisco]

Where was Bill Gates' cameo? Or was all that reference to the PC guy?

The pc guy.


Yeah, maybe, but would you rather have everything crammed, or have everything left unexplained, with the series over?

Neither. Better pacing and scripting from the start of the season so that the story can unfold at a more linear pace. I'm still confused by who went where and who created who.

[rfdrfd]

Neither. Better pacing and scripting from the start of the season so that the story can unfold at a more linear pace. I'm still confused by who went where and who created who.

+1000

It just shows me the writers either:

a) bit off too much than they can chew (eg. wrote too deep a story that they don't even have enough time to show, since they actually knew when they were going to end this series)

b) realized the storyline was so deep that viewers are getting confused or their patience is wearing thin

[Vashin]

or they used up all their money and had to make a cheap episode

[belowzeros]

i knew that mutiny nonsense was gonna get in the way of wrapping up the show and then I was surprised at how fast it ended...something was off. It was also uncharacteristic of the series depth and pacing.

and why did Moore backshelf Gaius for so long. I mean maybe he was wearing on us at points but he's one of the series best actors and stories...and he has disappeared almost altogether compared to the early years. I'm half expecting him to come back front and center at the end like I think Hera might and some other plot holes long forgotten.

still good tv tho :)

[Majoram]

[i]>> Basically, the Final Five aren't cylons at all. They are resurrected versions of the Thirteenth Tribe, which explains how Tigh and Six can have a child.

> The Final Five are Cylons. It's confirmed by John/Caliv multiple times.
He has said to Helen that she is not a human, she is a machine.


I agree that Ellen is a machine; she's been resurrected. However, she is not true cylon; her "line" did not originate from the cylons.

I guess the question is: Were the people of Earth cylons? My definition of "cylon" are the machines created by the Twelve Colonies, and their own creations.


She is a Cylon. The 13th tribe were Cylons and they had resurrection technology. They landed on Earth and made their own Organic Cylons.
These Organic Cylons began to reproduce naturally and lost resurrection technology.


[i]>> PS. The weak part of the show/series was that explanation given by ... (forgot his name/number) to Ellen. That story regarding the Final Five is really stretching it.

> how is it stretching it?


What Ellen said.

They also made their own machines and enslaved them. They were warned by someone/thing that Earth was going to be nuked. The 5 scientists began trying to rediscover resurrection tech and they saved themselves that way.

They then traveled at sub light speeds to get to the 12 colonies to warn them not to repeat the past mistakes.

Because of the Theory of Relativity, 2000+ years passed for the 12 Colonies but only a short time passed for them.

They arrived too late. They reached during the 1st Cylon war.

That sounds pretty plausible to me based on the timelines so far. Doesn't seem stretched to me.

[Majoram]

or they used up all their money and had to make a cheap episode

Because of ratings, some time ago, they were pushed into finishing up the series in 2 seasons.
So it wasn't really a choice they had.

i knew that mutiny nonsense was gonna get in the way of wrapping up the show and then I was surprised at how fast it ended...something was off. It was also uncharacteristic of the series depth and pacing

still good tv tho :)

Yeah that whole mutiny thing was just annoying. Though it was about time that they got rid of the Vice President (can't remember the name).

The mutiny was just a plot device to get rid of the unwanted dissidents in the crew. So when they move on, it'll be easy to accept when the crew just goes along with the flow.

Plus the Qurom just added way too much bureaucratic bull to the show. I was glad when they were shot.

[rabbit]

> She is a Cylon. The 13th tribe were Cylons and they had resurrection technology.

So you're saying that the Terrans (Earth people) are the same race as the Centurians created by the Twelve Colonies?




>>> how is it stretching it?

>> What Ellen said.

> That sounds pretty plausible to me based on the timelines so far. Doesn't seem stretched to me.

That's not the part of what Ellen said that I am referring to; I'm talking about this circus that the Final Five were put through.



> Because of the Theory of Relativity, 2000+ years passed for the 12 Colonies but only a short time passed for them.

Hmm ... this doesn't sound correct to me.



If the twelve tribes are human, how can the thirteenth tribe by cylons? If they were, why would they be called the thirteenth tribe?

Sam uses "cylons" like the five are not cylons.

[Majoram]

> She is a Cylon. The 13th tribe were Cylons and they had resurrection technology.

So you're saying that the Terrans (Earth people) are the same race as the Centurians created by the Twelve Colonies?


Technically I guess they are not the same race but they are Machines.
The Terrans are the descendants of the 13th Tribe of Kobol.

On Kobol the humans created AI and their version of Cylons.
The Cylons rebelled and left Kobol. They were the 13th Tribe.

When I say "Cylons" generally I mean machines (organic or metal) made by humans.

If you are beginning to notice a pattern, yes you are right.

"This has all happened before and is happening again".
Basically meaning:
Humans create -> Metal Cylons/AI -> Metal Cylons Rebel -> Metal Cylons create their own Organic Cylons -> Organic Cylons create AI/Metal Cylons -> They also rebel etc etc etc


>>> how is it stretching it?

>> What Ellen said.

> That sounds pretty plausible to me based on the timelines so far. Doesn't seem stretched to me.

That's not the part of what Ellen said that I am referring to; I'm talking about this circus that the Final Five were put through.


Oh I see. You mean where John takes the 5 and puts them on the 12 colonies with new personalities and memories?

I'm guessing the implausible part is how they all survived the Holocaust and ended up together?

I have 2 guesses:
1) John/Caval kept pulling the strings in their lives and made things miserable for them and kept them alive.

2) Someone else was keeping them safe. The 13th Cylon perhaps?

But yeah I do concede that last bit is hard to bite.


> Because of the Theory of Relativity, 2000+ years passed for the 12 Colonies but only a short time passed for them.

Hmm ... this doesn't sound correct to me.

If the twelve tribes are human, how can the thirteenth tribe by cylons? If they were, why would they be called the thirteenth tribe?

Sam uses "cylons" like the five are not cylons.

100% sure about the relativity part. Sam explained it and it fits with the story.

I explained the 13th Tribe part above but I don't know why they were called that.

Here's the problem: How did the remaining 12 tribes find out about the path the 13th took? How did their travels end up in the Book of Pythia?
Someone came back from the 13th tribe and maybe they wrote the book of Pythia??! Who knows... hopefully we'll find out soon.

Not sure about how Sam uses the word "cylons" but always refers to the Five separately from humans (i.e. us and them).
I think it's just to avoid confusion as to which set of Cylons he is referring to.

[rabbit]

Hmm, my reply disappeared ... GRRRRRR ....

> Technically I guess they are not the same race but they are Machines.
The Terrans are the descendants of the 13th Tribe of Kobol.

I agree that they're not human, but they originated from humans, unlike the cylon human-models.

If the Terrans never met up with the cylons, and used the resurrection technology on themselves, would you still call them cylons?



> 100% sure about the relativity part. Sam explained it and it fits with the story.

It's been a long time since Physics, but doesn't time slow down the faster you go? If they're travelling sub-light, I would assume that they're not travelling anywhere near the speed of light. I know that's what Sam said, but I just don't agree with the physics behind it.

But it doesn't matter, anyways. The Five could have spent 1000 years travelling back, and just keep resurrecting themselves.



> Not sure about how Sam uses the word "cylons" but always refers to the Five separately from humans (i.e. us and them).

He said something like, "We gave the cylons resurrection technology."

[originalnutta]

Hmm, my reply disappeared ... GRRRRRR ....

> Technically I guess they are not the same race but they are Machines.
The Terrans are the descendants of the 13th Tribe of Kobol.

I agree that they're not human, but they originated from humans, unlike the cylon human-models.

If the Terrans never met up with the cylons, and used the resurrection technology on themselves, would you still call them cylons?



> 100% sure about the relativity part. Sam explained it and it fits with the story.

It's been a long time since Physics, but doesn't time slow down the faster you go? If they're travelling sub-light, I would assume that they're not travelling anywhere near the speed of light. I know that's what Sam said, but I just don't agree with the physics behind it.

But it doesn't matter, anyways. The Five could have spent 1000 years travelling back, and just keep resurrecting themselves.



> Not sure about how Sam uses the word "cylons" but always refers to the Five separately from humans (i.e. us and them).

He said something like, "We gave the cylons resurrection technology."
lol you posted it in another thread

[rabbit]

Thanks. Deleted.

Too many windows open at the same time :) ... which happens when the site gets laggy and I get impatient.

[Vashin]

What I still don't get is how Tigh 'aged', as cavil mentioned he phased in the original 5 one at a time but Tigh was phased in during the first war?

And wasn't it because of the original 5 promising to make skinjobs that ended the war but tigh was in the war?

wtf maybe my timeline is a bit messed up

[MrDisco]

that last ep felt like more filler. :|

[VenomZeus]

This is a bit old but I only saw it for the first time today, did anyone know David Letterman had a Why Watch Battleast Galactica on his top ten list?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatjlSJNRHM

[-=Wraith=-]

This is a bit old but I only saw it for the first time today, did anyone know David Letterman had a Why Watch Battleast Galactica on his top ten list?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatjlSJNRHM

lmao lee adama actor is british? totally didn't know lol

[YYZFA]

This is a bit off topic, but since someone posted a youtube video, I thought I'd share one of my favourites as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsvpvqvApKo&feature=related

[konfusion666]

that last ep felt like more filler. :|

i kinda agree

[SAN66]

Did anyone else feel that the episode was fairly manufactured. Where the hell did this Ty loves Six thing come in. Yaya I know he knocked her up, but that wasn't really an act of love and there really wasn't much about this before this episode.

Granted there was that well done speech by Ty saying "he doesn't have to say it", but really before this episode there was nothing.

Bad episode, but the next few look allot better.

[rabbit]

> Where the hell did this Ty loves Six thing come in. Yaya I know he knocked her up, but that wasn't really an act of love and there really wasn't much about this before this episode.

Yeah, he was always seeing Ellen's face on Caprica. Well, that's BSG for you. Like I keep saying, BSG is a soap opera. Now, some people have grabbed onto this phrase and tried to claim that DS9 was a soap opera, but DS9 never had love triangles. (Well, there was the Dax, Worf, Bashir thing ... although that was 3.5 people involved, so not really a triangle :).)

[belowzeros]

Some of you probably hated that ep because Jane Espenson wrote it. Even tho she's an exec producer (smart move btw Moore) injecting her style into the current thread out of turn is jarring because it isn't what we've seen the last few shows.

Personally I loved it tho she's genius. I think I could see how she was assigned to bridge to the ending arc.

[belowzeros]

lmao lee adama actor is british? totally didn't know lol

Yea I think his mother was English and he was born over there. He has a degree in languages if I remember right, italian and french or something like that.

[konfusion666]

what i didn't like about this ep is how the character of ellen seemed to change between when she was Caval's prisoner and when she arrived on Galactica. As a prisoner, she was standing up to Caval, she seemed strong-willed, etc. But after coming back to Galactica she was basically acting like the "same old Ellen"

next, what role exactly has Adama given to Baltar's harem? paramilitary? they all seemed happy to be given military issue small arms at the end...

finally, is the interlude at the end supposed to imply that they have executed Boomer?

[rabbit]

> is the interlude at the end supposed to imply that they have executed Boomer?

No, I don't think they would, not with the alliance + no resurrection.

Speaking of Baltar, I think it was the first time in the whole series when I didn't find him annoying!

[VenomZeus]

> is the interlude at the end supposed to imply that they have executed Boomer?

No, I don't think they would, not with the alliance + no resurrection.

Speaking of Baltar, I think it was the first time in the whole series when I didn't find him annoying!

Baltar used to be my favorite character in the first 2 1/2 seasons, but since then he has been a horrible character...

[rabbit]

Some other things about Baltar ...

If he wanted to know if he was a cylon, he did create a "cylon test", way back in season one. Now that Boomer is a known cyclon, he should have realized that his test worked.

And being a really intelligent guy, I'm sure he could have created his own weapons without having to ask for machine guns.

[konfusion666]

Crap, I totally forgot about Baltar's cylon test.
Didn't he subject Tigh, Tory, Tyrol, Ellen to it?
How did they pass?

[rilhouse]

Crap, I totally forgot about Baltar's cylon test.
Didn't he subject Tigh, Tory, Tyrol, Ellen to it?
How did they pass?

maybe b/c the final 5 are different from the normal "skin jobs"? it's a bit of a plot hole but could be easily explained.

[konfusion666]

maybe b/c the final 5 are different from the normal "skin jobs"? it's a bit of a plot hole but could be easily explained.

especially if what RABBIT said is right, in that they are not true cylons as we know it, but rather a different breed/race ;)

[jokadeska]

Maybe i missed something.. but how was Baltar's speech to Adama convincing enough for guns? I had no idea why Adama would give them to him...

[rfdrfd]

Maybe i missed something.. but how was Baltar's speech to Adama convincing enough for guns? I had no idea why Adama would give them to him...

It was basically the line: "I am giving you the last hope of keeping your humanity".

Since everything Adama's been doing to save his ship and crew has now turned into collaboration with the cylons.

[MrDisco]

somewhat intersting episode, but again felt like more filler.

so i take it that was Starbuck's dad that she was seeing in the bar.

[rabbit]

> so i take it that was Starbuck's dad that she was seeing in the bar.

It was Starbuck's father that she was seeing in her mind.

I thought that it would be her father when they were talking about why he left his wife, etc., but I thought that he looked a bit young (especially when compared to her mother).

Did you catch the tune that he played a few notes of, early on, was the original BSG tune for Imperious Leader (or sometimes Baltar, when sitting in the head honcho's chair)? Or maybe they just played the tune when they showed the Cylon baseship.

[MrDisco]

I thought that it would be her father when they were talking about why he left his wife, etc., but I thought that he looked a bit young (especially when compared to her mother).

I thought about it some more and now I'm wondering if that guy was Daniel, the boxed cylon.


Did you catch the tune that he played a few notes of, early on, was the original BSG tune for Imperious Leader

I didn't catch it, but I read similar opinions on the sci-fi forum. i don't get why this tune is so important.

[bkustra]

Maybe i missed something.. but how was Baltar's speech to Adama convincing enough for guns? I had no idea why Adama would give them to him...

I read the following post on Ain't It Cool News (http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/40263#comment_2528259). Take it for what it's worth but it makes a lot of sense:

from last week's episode, thanks to the Santa Rosa (CA) Press Democrat. I'll quote it here:
"The whole deal with Baltar and his cult giving out food and getting guns confused me. It lacked context. Turns out, in the episode's original cut, all was explained. But that cut was 11 minutes long, so it had to be trimmed for TV. Here's what I've been able to cobble together of what ended up on the editing room floor:

"In the wake of three years of war and a failed mutiny, there are no longer enough Marines on Galactica to maintain order. Sensing a riot over food distribution, the outnumbered Marines retreat from (Dogsville) and the Sons of Ares swoop in with their guns and take over the abandoned food supply. But the Baltar-less cult manages to secure a stash of food, effectively letting them be self-sufficient.

"Meanwhile, Adama and Roslin debate the merits of bringing Cylon centurions on board to provide security and patrol civilian areas. (Wow, huuuuge plot point there.) Adama's staunchly against it, even though his ship is slowly becoming assimilated with the Cylons. Cue back to what aired -- Baltar and his crew try to take over food distribution, but again the Sons of Ares step in -- like any good mob, they maintain an iron grip on their racket. So Baltar approaches Adama and Roslin asking for guns so his group can fend off the Sons of Ares. Effectively, the question for Adama is, allow a criminal gang to control the food supply, or allow Baltar's crazy cultists to control it. And Baltar's group, now armed to the teeth, would also serve as a civilian security force, which Adama figures is better than using centurions. In the end, the Baltar's militia is the lesser of two evils.

"That would have been nice to know. Instead, we got repetitive scenes of Adama looking pained as he examined Galactica's structural failures. And that ridiculous "he loves you more" scene with Caprica Six losing her Cy-baby. For the life of me, I don't know why they'd cut such a critical plot development. With so few episodes left, each scene should be moving the series forward, showing the fleet's increasingly desperate situation. I expect a lot from this show because it's consistently delivered at a high level. This was no time to drop the ball."

[konfusion666]

I thought it was a great ep - definitely not filler at all! Unless you think rekindling the conflict with Caval using Hera's kidnapping, is filler!

The guy in the bar? He's not Kara's father. He's just some guy... simply serves as a catalyst for advancing Kara's origin story plus the whole musical theme thing, so they can eventually show that Kara is the offspring of Boxed Cylon + human woman.

[rilhouse]

boring episode IMO.

[MrDisco]

I thought it was a great ep - definitely not filler at all! Unless you think rekindling the conflict with Caval using Hera's kidnapping, is filler!

which doesn't happen until the final minutes of the episode. we've got 4 eps left to wrap up all these big plot points and it just seems like they're dragging it out as though they've got another season left.

The guy in the bar? He's not Kara's father. He's just some guy

How does some guy simply vanish from the scene?
Why is it they never show her dad's face in the flashbacks?

[Vashin]

boring episode IMO.

I would say this is probably one of the better episodes during the second half of this season and was definitely not a filler episode. I must say though that a lot of the eps have been disappointing.

[rabbit]

>> Did you catch the tune that he played a few notes of, early on, was the original BSG tune for Imperious Leader

> I didn't catch it, but I read similar opinions on the sci-fi forum. i don't get why this tune is so important.

I don't think that tune was chosen at random.




>> I thought that it would be her father when they were talking about why he left his wife, etc., but I thought that he looked a bit young (especially when compared to her mother).

> I thought about it some more and now I'm wondering if that guy was Daniel, the boxed cylon.

Yeah, that's possible too. Even before this, there was talk amongst fans of Starbuck being related to Daniel.

[belowzeros]

I thought about it some more and now I'm wondering if that guy was Daniel, the boxed cylon.



i don't get why this tune is so important.

somewhat intersting episode, but again felt like more filler.

so i take it that was Starbuck's dad that she was seeing in the bar.

boring episode IMO.

The guy in the bar? He's not Kara's father. He's just some guy...

it just seems like they're dragging it out as though they've got another season left.



How does some guy simply vanish from the scene?
Why is it they never show her dad's face in the flashbacks?



there's no help for you guys =p


great episode, total mind frack. this is the stuff that makes me sad the series is ending.

[manixc]

I read the following post on Ain't It Cool News (http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/40263#comment_2528259). Take it for what it's worth but it makes a lot of sense:

thanks for that. it make more senses now.

as for this week's ep, i'm pretty sure that's Starbuck's father (and likely to be Daniel).

[flyman]

promo for "Islanded in a Stream of Stars"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN35fAJn6_Q

Cant wait!!!

[rabbit]

Is the climax of the show going to be a scene where Tigh and Ellen sing Islands in the Stream? :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiwcOaaRo1Y

[rabbit]

Episode sucked.

[MrDisco]

That was another horrible episode in a string of horrible episodes lately. Did the writers run out of plot and now they're just stretching things out for the inevitable anti-climatic finish? :confused:

[rfdrfd]

Ya, wth man. Smokin weed, having a hissy fit painting the walls, breaking down crying (which we've already seen when he learned Ty was a Cylon, so the sad and shock value is gone).

Its like the writers gave up. They could have played the "honor" angle. Celebrate the achievements of the Battlestar, honor it like it deserved, send it off in a respectable way.

Instead, we get two old drunks, toasting to it, slouched out on a stupid couch.

Man, that was a boring episode.

[N_Raged]

What was the technical reason for plugging sam into the ship which made him all hybrid-like?

[zod]

Ya, wth man. Smokin weed, having a hissy fit painting the walls, breaking down crying (which we've already seen when he learned Ty was a Cylon, so the sad and shock value is gone).

Its like the writers gave up. They could have played the "honor" angle. Celebrate the achievements of the Battlestar, honor it like it deserved, send it off in a respectable way.

Instead, we get two old drunks, toasting to it, slouched out on a stupid couch.

Man, that was a boring episode.

It was a boring episode, but I think they'll be honor Galactica in the finale. From that conversation I think its going to go out in a blaze of glory.

[SAN66]

That was another horrible episode in a string of horrible episodes lately. Did the writers run out of plot and now they're just stretching things out for the inevitable anti-climatic finish? :confused:

I think they ran out of money, so they have to focus on internal conflict instead of external conflict.

[rabbit]

Don't know the deal with Sam, but I thought he was going to fix Galactica when he was plugged in.

[konfusion666]

didn't think it was that bad... the fact that they are planning on scuttling Galactica and moving Adama's command to the Cylon ship (!) is pretty significant I guess

[rabbit]

Forgot ... one cool thing about the episode was that they showed (briefly) one of the original three-man cylon fighters.

[gflux]

Don't know the deal with Sam, but I thought he was going to fix Galactica when he was plugged in.

I think one important thing he said was that Starbuck is still the harbinger of doom... that also means that the Starbuck he was talking to is still Starbuck and not some sort of impostor.

[SAN66]

That was... interesting. Lets hope this buildup is leading up to something awesome in the finale next week and it doesn't go out with a fizzle.

These last few episodes have been pretty docile, I'm hoping they redeem themselves with the last show.

[rabbit]

Did I just watch a preview for Caprica?

And regarding Caprica, I wonder if it'll be the second coming of Dallas/Dynasty/etc (ie. soap opera, moreso than BSG already is).

[rilhouse]

these last episodes have really sucked.

[konfusion666]

My summary of last night's episode:

Adama: Guys, lets go after HERA ok?
Crowd: OK BOSS!


Did I just watch a preview for Caprica?


i bet they took the "city shot" of Caprica City from the footage they already created for the Caprica tv-movie/miniseries/whatever-the-hell-they-are-calling-it-these-days.

However, the show itself is supposed to take place 50 years ago, no? So during the time of the Adama grandfather's (lawyer) dad, I'm guessing...

[zod]

these last episodes have really sucked.

Yah.. The mutiny two parter was awesome, but the last few weeks have felt like filler.

Last night's episode didn't really further any plots other then deciding to go after Hera.

[rabbit]

>> Did I just watch a preview for Caprica?

> i bet they took the "city shot" of Caprica City from the footage they already created for the Caprica tv-movie/miniseries/whatever-the-hell-they-are-calling-it-these-days.

However, the show itself is supposed to take place 50 years ago, no? So during the time of the Adama grandfather's (lawyer) dad, I'm guessing...

Yeah, it won't be the same characters as BSG. I meant more as a preview of the premises of what Caprica is going to be like.

I thought spinoffs were created to milk a successful series, so why a spinoff for a series that they knew was being cancelled?

[shawn99]

Adama: Guys, lets go on a SUICIDE mission to save HERA ok?
Crowd: OK BOSS!


My summary of last night's episode:

Adama: Guys, lets go after HERA ok?
Crowd: OK BOSS!




i bet they took the "city shot" of Caprica City from the footage they already created for the Caprica tv-movie/miniseries/whatever-the-hell-they-are-calling-it-these-days.

However, the show itself is supposed to take place 50 years ago, no? So during the time of the Adama grandfather's (lawyer) dad, I'm guessing...

[konfusion666]

Yeah, it won't be the same characters as BSG. I meant more as a preview of the premises of what Caprica is going to be like.

I thought spinoffs were created to milk a successful series, so why a spinoff for a series that they knew was being cancelled?

You got me there, although I first heard about "Caprica" before Season 4 even began showing on television, so it's quite possible that the studio based it's greenlighting of Caprica during Season 3, when the ratings were probably quite high.

[SAN66]

I thought spinoffs were created to milk a successful series, so why a spinoff for a series that they knew was being cancelled?

Scifi is being weird with their programming. Cancel BSG and introduce the spinoff Caprica. Cancel Stargate Atlantis and Introduce the spinoff Stargate Universe.

Normally spinoffs have like a year or two of overlap.

[belowzeros]

Scifi is being weird with their programming. Cancel BSG and introduce the spinoff Caprica. Cancel Stargate Atlantis and Introduce the spinoff Stargate Universe.

Normally spinoffs have like a year or two of overlap.


SciFi notoriously employs the cut em loose when they reach the salary cap and redo the show with a newer, dirt-cheap cast...they've done it since day one :(

[Vashin]

Yah.. The mutiny two parter was awesome, but the last few weeks have felt like filler.

Last night's episode didn't really further any plots other then deciding to go after Hera.

Actually the mutiny parts were 'filler' and the more recent episodes are more inline with the plot of the whole series.

[BillMoocho]

BSG was never cancelled. The writers simply decided that the show needed to end and they would rather do it on their own terms than have it drag out through several more seasons.

>> Did I just watch a preview for Caprica?

> i bet they took the "city shot" of Caprica City from the footage they already created for the Caprica tv-movie/miniseries/whatever-the-hell-they-are-calling-it-these-days.

However, the show itself is supposed to take place 50 years ago, no? So during the time of the Adama grandfather's (lawyer) dad, I'm guessing...

Yeah, it won't be the same characters as BSG. I meant more as a preview of the premises of what Caprica is going to be like.

I thought spinoffs were created to milk a successful series, so why a spinoff for a series that they knew was being cancelled?

[zod]

BSG was never cancelled. The writers simply decided that the show needed to end and they would rather do it on their own terms than have it drag out through several more seasons.

+1. Thats exactly correct. Battlestar never got canceled. The writers/producers wanted it to end properly, and not run the risk of being canceled before they could do that. So they announced season 4 would be last and they'd wrap it up. I thought it was pretty clever. TV channels seem to air a show until the ratings dive and then they kill it. Alot of shows never get a proper ending. I suppose the only way is to plan your shows demise before the network does.

Lost did the same thing. When they made the original announcement it was for a final 3 seasons. So season 6 was the last. It allows the writers to wrap up the show.

If networks weren't so bad with cancellations. IE wait til the last minute to cancel (when that whole season has already been filmed) there would be no need for it. But they always leave them hanging.

[rabbit]

> The writers/producers wanted it to end properly, and not run the risk of being canceled before they could do that. So they announced season 4 would be last and they'd wrap it up. I thought it was pretty clever. TV channels seem to air a show until the ratings dive and then they kill it.

Hmm, the writers/producers sure is doing a bad job of it. While there are some really brilliant ideas, themes, and episodes in the series, the actual writing has been half-assed; it's like they didn't plan it out the "bigger picture".

Yeah, it's clever; Star Trek had done it previously on three occasions, and most likely a fourth if Enterprise didn't get cancelled.

[manixc]

> The writers/producers wanted it to end properly, and not run the risk of being canceled before they could do that. So they announced season 4 would be last and they'd wrap it up. I thought it was pretty clever. TV channels seem to air a show until the ratings dive and then they kill it.

Hmm, the writers/producers sure is doing a bad job of it. While there are some really brilliant ideas, themes, and episodes in the series, the actual writing has been half-assed; it's like they didn't plan it out the "bigger picture".

Yeah, it's clever; Star Trek had done it previously on three occasions, and most likely a fourth if Enterprise didn't get cancelled.
agreed, the end so far has not been too impressive.

Regarding the "bigger picture" comment, I had hoped that BSG would turn out to be like Babylon 5 where small events from previous episodes actually have a significant impact to later episodes.

[konfusion666]

Regarding the "bigger picture" comment, I had hoped that BSG would turn out to be like Babylon 5 where small events from previous episodes actually have a significant impact to later episodes.

there were times during BSG where I thought I might declare this to be the superior Science Fiction tv show, greater than Babylon 5. I am thinking of episodes like Exodus, part 2 - and the whole Pegasus arc.

however, most of Season 4 part 2 has led me to conclude that BSG can't be compared to Babylon 5 at all. :( it is quite simply no competition for what is still the best sci-fi tv series of all time...

[Tomato_1]

there were times during BSG where I thought I might declare this to be the superior Science Fiction tv show, greater than Babylon 5. I am thinking of episodes like Exodus, part 2 - and the whole Pegasus arc.

however, most of Season 4 part 2 has led me to conclude that BSG can't be compared to Babylon 5 at all. :( it is quite simply no competition for what is still the best sci-fi tv series of all time...

QFT.. B5 had a sense of purpose and direction. Yes Byron kind of sucked (I liked it b/c of the set up for crusade) But the last episode were amazing.

BSG feels like a really bad STD that just won't go away.

[rabbit]

I wonder if BSG being thought of as god's gift by some people is because there hasn't been really good sci-fi on tv for the past several years.

[shutterbug]

If this is a preview of what "Caprica" will be like, I will absolutely refuse to watch it. It's bad enough to put up with the 20th century earth type **** part time on BSG (amazing how a space traveling race that is technologically advanced looks like present day earth). It's supposed to be a futuristic alien race for gods sake. Substituting frack for f*ck and using 6 sided paper doesn't cut it! Caprica is just going to be another "earth" based drama.

[ashs]

I wonder if BSG being thought of as god's gift by some people is because there hasn't been really good sci-fi on tv for the past several years.

or its just that good :-)

[manixc]

there were times during BSG where I thought I might declare this to be the superior Science Fiction tv show, greater than Babylon 5. I am thinking of episodes like Exodus, part 2 - and the whole Pegasus arc.

however, most of Season 4 part 2 has led me to conclude that BSG can't be compared to Babylon 5 at all. :( it is quite simply no competition for what is still the best sci-fi tv series of all time...
I doubt we'd see the like of Babylon 5 again.

[rabbit]

> Substituting frack for f*ck and using 6 sided paper doesn't cut it!

Speaking of six-sided paper, recall when Tyroll was telling Adama about how corners were cut when building Galactica. Corners get cut all the time on their paper :D.

[rabbit]

> or its just that good :-)

Sure, if you consider character development to be:
- turning, or already are, an alcoholic
- getting involved in love triangles
- having freakouts
- becoming suicidal

[EGee6]

Battlestar Galactica The Last Frakkin Special 720p HDTV x264-aAF

:cheesygri

[EGee6]

Good special. You should all watch it :)

[rfdrfd]

> Substituting frack for f*ck and using 6 sided paper doesn't cut it!

Speaking of six-sided paper, recall when Tyroll was telling Adama about how corners were cut when building Galactica. Corners get cut all the time on their paper :D.

Ammm, am i counting wrong or isn't their paper 8 sided ?

[rabbit]

Yeah, it's eight.

[konfusion666]

I enjoyed it. :)


Although I should say that the "ending part" was kinda predicted the moment they showed the cavemen in Africa.

BTW, Ronald Moore was the guy reading the magazine at the newspaper stand in NYC.

(highlight for spoiler text)

[Nitram]

they didnt explain tons of stuff!!

spoilers ahead *please highligh*
What is Kara??? she just disappears??
who are the alternate Six and Guis??
I feel like Moore pulled a Planet of the Apes Tim Burton style on us!!

[gflux]

they didnt explain tons of stuff!!

spoilers ahead *please highligh*
What is Kara??? she just disappears??
who are the alternate Six and Guis??
I feel like Moore pulled a Planet of the Apes Tim Burton style on us!!

Highlight:

Kara was pretty much Gandalf - she was resurrected by "God" to fulfill her purpose and then when she wasn't needed she was taken away.

Head Six and head Gaius were agents of "God"

[N_Raged]

Highlight:

Head Six and head Gaius were agents of "God"
You know it doesn't like that name.

[rilhouse]

great ending, redemption for the last few episodes.

[rabbit]

I thought it was a PoS.

There's stuff unfinished or makes no sense: opera house, "Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death" or whatever the quote was, Hera's (non) importance, Starbuck/Hera's musical relationship.

There was the great, "Let's all make peace, and we can hold hands and swap technology." "Oh sorry, I forgot to tell you that I killed your wife," which then leads back to one side blowing up the other. And we're to believe that the entire cylon empire (bar the "good" ones) were in that hive? (That's what the Colonials believe, seeing as they thought they would be safe on New Earth.) Yeah, sure.

There were things like an asteroid bumping into an idling ship, which then jostles the pilot's hand, leading it to fall onto the NUKE button, which fires off the entire load towards the right place at the right time.

And then, there was the ending that was longer than the Lord of the Rings. Thirty-three minutes! That's a third of the episode devoted to the ending. Well, at least the first ten minutes were good.

Again, their last-ditched effort for character development, where they show the flashbacks, ends up to be more drinking and more humping.

The "divine intervention" aspect is just a pile of dung. The whole series reeks of bad writing. As mentioned before, the guys had some good ideas, but they should have taken their good ideas and given it to someone who can actually write!

[zod]

I quite liked it. I figured they'd have to find a planet and live with the cylons at the end. I didn't think the other earth was the real earth... so I didn't think they'd go with our earth being earth 2.

They had no real choice.. wasn't much on kobol, new caprica, or the old colonies. The battlestar was on its last legs.. they had to find a planet to live on.

I figured Baltar/Six were Angels of some type... starbuck might of been too. I think they left that ambigous on purpose.

I thought the ended might of been cooler when they send all the ships into the sun with the old bsg music playing.. then I remembered I hate it when a show like that ends abruptly.. I want to see what happens to everyone after the big event... so even though the end was drawn out.. I think I liked it that way.

I thought robot tie-ins at the end wasn't really needed though.

[belowzeros]

I thought it was a PoS.



I'm a big BSG fan but I'm going to have to second that and everything else Rabbit wrote. The whole last season part 1 and 2 were pretty much filler and a waste of time.

I think Ron Moore and his partner buddy have been watching too much LOST. That was ridiculous.

[manixc]

The end was rather lackluster. I really don't get the point of the flashback, it doesn't add to the plot whatsoever.

oh well, at least the first few seasons were decent.

[rilhouse]

I thought it was a PoS.


just because all of the answers weren't spelled out, it doesn't mean that they weren't there. a good show is open to interpretation and makes you think.

[rabbit]

> I figured Baltar/Six were Angels of some type... starbuck might of been too. I think they left that ambigous on purpose.

Yeah, they left it ambiguous because those "excellent" (more like "excrement") writers couldn't think of an explanation that would make sense.



> just because all of the answers weren't spelled out, it doesn't mean that they weren't there. a good show is open to interpretation and makes you think.

Look, bad writing is bad writing. You can't explain it away by saying "It's art; you're not suppose to understand it."

No matter how big of a fan of the show you are, can you really sit there and tell me that the writers thought the whole thing through? They made it up as they went along, and they did a piss-poor job of it.



BTW, I hated the episode of DS9 when there was divine intervention (I think it was one of the season openers during the Dominion War), and DS9 is one of my favourite TV shows of all time. Just wanted to be fair when tossing the dung around :).

[prvt10]

I loved the space battle and I initially found it mindblowing that they settled on our earth and became our ancestors but if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense at all. Am I supposed to believe that they promptly forgot how to farm, build the most basic things like the wheel, and understand simple concepts like the earth is round. That's how it was like 150000 years. That's just stupid as hell. And what exactly was the significance of Hera? They can all screw themselves and have a lot of babies. What do they need her for? Also, Starbuck died, came back, said she went to earth, and found her burnt remains there. How do you explain all this? It was God's plan. The answer to every mystery is God did it. So lame. Such a disappointing finale to a great series.

[rfdrfd]

I loved the space battle and I initially found it mindblowing that they settled on our earth and became our ancestors but if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense at all. Am I supposed to believe that they promptly forgot how to farm, build the most basic things like the wheel, and understand simple concepts like the earth is round. That's how it was like 150000 years. That's just stupid as hell. And what exactly was the significance of Hera? They can all screw themselves and have a lot of babies. What do they need her for? Also, Starbuck died, came back, said she went to earth, and found her burnt remains there. How do you explain all this? It was God's plan. The answer to every mystery is God did it. So lame. Such a disappointing finale to a great series.

+1 Starbuck wasn't the harbinger or death at all. She saved everyone at the end.

The writers wanted to create something cool so to stick to "it all happened before, and it will happen again" idea a bit too far.

Ya, what the frack did we need Hera for ? She did absolutely nothing.

This season just left a bad taste in my mouth. I was very excited to see the series end, so i can finally buy the entire series in Blu Ray DVD someday. Now, I don't know.

This is almost like Seinfeld's stupid last episode.

[SAN66]

I loved the space battle and I initially found it mindblowing that they settled on our earth and became our ancestors but if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense at all. Am I supposed to believe that they promptly forgot how to farm, build the most basic things like the wheel, and understand simple concepts like the earth is round. That's how it was like 150000 years. That's just stupid as hell. And what exactly was the significance of Hera? They can all screw themselves and have a lot of babies. What do they need her for? Also, Starbuck died, came back, said she went to earth, and found her burnt remains there. How do you explain all this? It was God's plan. The answer to every mystery is God did it. So lame. Such a disappointing finale to a great series.

+2 The first half was awesome, the second half fell flat. I don't think the writers really knew how to finish it. I understand not revealing certain things, but they simply ignored things they were building up through the series.

Hera they did explain, she wrote out the song which Starbuck used to find earth, so she was important.

I was really expecting much more from the Starbuck storyline, if they had tied that up I would have been happy. Starbuck is the Harbinger of Death. Really? When did this come into play?

[MrDisco]

Look, bad writing is bad writing. You can't explain it away by saying "It's art; you're not suppose to understand it."


You're spot on. I think we all agree the first half was awesome. The show's lack of a big budget made for some boring eps (particularly near the end of the series).

it's pretty clear the writers dug themselves into a corner. The show wasn't properly mapped out from the start and the finale proves that.
-What was so special about Hera?
-The flashbacks added nothing to the plot
-If Starbuck is an angel what does that make her Viper? God brought that back too?
-The Cylons had a plan? Funny how they dropped that tag line when they moved to the final five angle mid-way through the show

Blah it was a good show but that ending was a big let down.

[Talamasca]

BTW, I hated the episode of DS9 when there was divine intervention (I think it was one of the season openers during the Dominion War), and DS9 is one of my favourite TV shows of all time. Just wanted to be fair when tossing the dung around :).

Did you notice how similar BSG"s finale was to DS9's? Action packed first hour, followed by a slower, more character-based second hour, and ended on a bittersweet yet still optimistic note.

[konfusion666]

-What was so special about Hera?


C'mon guys, at least this one is obvious... she provided the "address" of Real Earth to Kara! Without the jump co-ordinates, they would have been screwed. Either immediately, because of the nukes, or later on, because even if they got back to the fleet they would have run out of resources and died.

[MrDisco]

C'mon guys, at least this one is obvious... she provided the "address" of Real Earth to Kara!

Providing the address is a great example of the kind of kludge the writers came up with. Just how did Hera pull that out of her head? Did God plant the idea in her (talk about working in mysterious ways). Even worse she gives the solution in the form of a song leaving our heroes scratching their heads over what it means.

Why bother pulling Starbuck back from the dead but leave the road to salvation in the hands of a mute girl?

[konfusion666]

Providing the address is a great example of the kind of kludge the writers came up with. Just how did Hera pull that out of her head? Did God plant the idea in her (talk about working in mysterious ways). Even worse she gives the solution in the form of a song leaving our heroes scratching their heads over what it means.

Why bother pulling Starbuck back from the dead but leave the road to salvation in the hands of a mute girl?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole "God/Spirtuality" thing has been with the show since the very beginning. I know it just got very obvious in season 4, but even before then it seemed to come up in almost every single episode.

[rfdrfd]

C'mon guys, at least this one is obvious... she provided the "address" of Real Earth to Kara! Without the jump co-ordinates, they would have been screwed. Either immediately, because of the nukes, or later on, because even if they got back to the fleet they would have run out of resources and died.

Starbuck got the song notes (address) from Hera before Hera was kidnapped. So why do they need to rescue her again?

Totally unnecessary to rescue Hera. Which killed a lot more humans in the process of the rescue.

[rilhouse]

Look, bad writing is bad writing. You can't explain it away by saying "It's art; you're not suppose to understand it."


wrong. tv/movies ARE a form of art and are therefore subjective in their interpretation. just because you (or anyone else) personally didn't understand or appreciate the writing doesn't mean it was bad. it's just your opinion.

[silentio]

You're spot on. I think we all agree the first half was awesome. The show's lack of a big budget made for some boring eps (particularly near the end of the series).

it's pretty clear the writers dug themselves into a corner. The show wasn't properly mapped out from the start and the finale proves that.
-What was so special about Hera?
-The flashbacks added nothing to the plot
-If Starbuck is an angel what does that make her Viper? God brought that back too?
-The Cylons had a plan? Funny how they dropped that tag line when they moved to the final five angle mid-way through the show

Blah it was a good show but that ending was a big let down.


Yep. They didnt even find out who the final 5 were until season 3. They were just winging it as they went along.

I hear for book writers, that's not even allowed as the publishers would want a timeline for what happens in a series of books well before they allow the first book to be out.

[Oni-kun]

I liked it. All you people who didn't like it need to think a little bit more deeply.

[konfusion666]

Starbuck got the song notes (address) from Hera before Hera was kidnapped. So why do they need to rescue her again?

Totally unnecessary to rescue Hera. Which killed a lot more humans in the process of the rescue.

They got the song notes, but didn't know what to do with it? I dunno. But Kara wasn't in a position to type the notes into the computer until the situation in the finale. That's the only explanation I can think of at the moment. :cheesygri

[belowzeros]

apparantly Moore was stumped on how to write the finale and it came to him in the shower? great lol thanks =p

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Battlestar-Galacticas-Ron-1004256.aspx

[silentio]

What did that cylon I think he's a #2 say about his plans? Did he stay on board the galactica when it went into the sun?

[SAN66]

apparantly Moore was stumped on how to write the finale and it came to him in the shower? great lol thanks =p

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Battlestar-Galacticas-Ron-1004256.aspx

Whats worse, I finally got to watch "the last frakkin special", very different watching it after having watched the finale. In it Moore actually states that they were stumped as to how to end it and he says "forget about the plot lets focus on the characters". WTF? Thats probably why so many of the plot points just fizzled out.

[rabbit]

>> Look, bad writing is bad writing. You can't explain it away by saying "It's art; you're not suppose to understand it."

> wrong. tv/movies ARE a form of art and are therefore subjective in their interpretation. just because you (or anyone else) personally didn't understand or appreciate the writing doesn't mean it was bad. it's just your opinion.

Dude, what I wrote is art. It's not wrong; you just don't understand it.


> All you people who didn't like it need to think a little bit more deeply.

Funny, a few people keep saying this, or something similar, but I have yet to hear those same people actually address all the points that we bring up.

I guess it must be such fine, quality art that nobody understands it :razz:.



This pretty much sums up BSG: Cally's baby.
They didn't plan out that Tyrol was going to be a cylon, so they had to do an episode of Maury Povich to determine who the father really is.




> Why bother pulling Starbuck back from the dead but leave the road to salvation in the hands of a mute girl?

I'm pretty sure Hera called for Boomer when Cavill took her, so I don't think she was mute.



> Did you notice how similar BSG"s finale was to DS9's?

No, I try not to think about DS9's finale :). It wasn't that good. I didn't like that whole Pah Wraiths/religion thing, just as I don't like it in BSG. But at least the ending of DS9 didn't stretch on for 30min. The writers had enough ideas to fill a two-hour time slot.

[MrDisco]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole "God/Spirtuality" thing has been with the show since the very beginning.

Yes we did have the endless blathering over Gods and the one true God between the humans and cylons. That's one thing. Wrestling with our spirituality is part of what makes us human. But to *actually* bring in Angels and God into the plot just destroys the believability of the whole story imo.


I'm pretty sure Hera called for Boomer when Cavill took her, so I don't think she was mute.


heh I knew someone was going to point that out. I didn't mean she was literally a mute, just that she had 0 dialog. Humanity's salvation came down to a finger painting that's wordlessly passed on to our heroes. Terrific.

[silentio]

[i]> Did you notice how similar BSG"s finale was to DS9's?

No, I try not to think about DS9's finale :). It wasn't that good. I didn't like that whole Pah Wraiths/religion thing, just as I don't like it in BSG. But at least the ending of DS9 didn't stretch on for 30min. The writers had enough ideas to fill a two-hour time slot.


Babylon 5 was the most memorable ending for a scifi series IMHO.

[airodus]

>> Look, bad writing is bad writing. You can't explain it away by saying "It's art; you're not suppose to understand it."

> wrong. tv/movies ARE a form of art and are therefore subjective in their interpretation. just because you (or anyone else) personally didn't understand or appreciate the writing doesn't mean it was bad. it's just your opinion.

Dude, what I wrote is art. It's not wrong; you just don't understand it.


> All you people who didn't like it need to think a little bit more deeply.

Funny, a few people keep saying this, or something similar, but I have yet to hear those same people actually address all the points that we bring up.

I guess it must be such fine, quality art that nobody understands it :razz:.



This pretty much sums up BSG: Cally's baby.
They didn't plan out that Tyrol was going to be a cylon, so they had to do an episode of Maury Povich to determine who the father really is.




> Why bother pulling Starbuck back from the dead but leave the road to salvation in the hands of a mute girl?

I'm pretty sure Hera called for Boomer when Cavill took her, so I don't think she was mute.



> Did you notice how similar BSG"s finale was to DS9's?

No, I try not to think about DS9's finale :). It wasn't that good. I didn't like that whole Pah Wraiths/religion thing, just as I don't like it in BSG. But at least the ending of DS9 didn't stretch on for 30min. The writers had enough ideas to fill a two-hour time slot.

DS9 did stretch on with all the stupid flashbacks and what not. DS9 was my favorite trek series, but I didn't like the finale one bit. Next Generation had the best Trek finale by far.

[prvt10]

Even Ron Moore didn't know what Starbuck was. He left it to the viewers to figure it out. That's just lazy sloppy writing.

From http://www.tvguide.com/News/Battlestar-Galacticas-Ron-1004256.aspx

TVGuide.com: What exactly is Kara at the end of the series? An angel?
Moore: I think Kara remains an ambiguous figure. Kara lived a mortal life, died and was resurrected to get them to their final destiny. Clearly she was a key player in the events that led to [the fleet's] finding a home. And, I don't know if there's any more to it beyond that. I think you could call her an angel, you could call her a demon, the second coming or the first coming, I guess, chronologically speaking. You can say that she had a certain messiah-like quality, in the classic resurrection story. There's a lot of different ways you can look at it, but the more we talked about it, the more we realized there was more in the ambiguity and mystery of it than there was in trying to give it more definition in the end.

[manixc]

Yep. They didnt even find out who the final 5 were until season 3. They were just winging it as they went along.

I hear for book writers, that's not even allowed as the publishers would want a timeline for what happens in a series of books well before they allow the first book to be out.

I felt that they have the first two seasons mapped out and maybe the third. But the fourth season was just up in the air.


Anyway, in a moment of brilliance, I realized Kara could be the harbinger of death to the endless cycle of violence (although it was really Lee's idea).
Oh well.

[Chyron]

Babylon 5 was the most memorable ending for a scifi series IMHO.

Couldn't agree more.

All these references to how sloppy the writing was for this are absolutely spot-on.

WTF: I thought the ship couldn't take a simple FTL jump, but it can take a massive barrage by the entire Cylon fleet?

And I wonder... where were all the base ships surrounding the colony? I guess the colony was managed by Governor Tarken.

This ending was alright... but it doesn't even hold a candle to the B5 ending... and DS9's was way better than this... the Pah Wraith thing was good... they built up to it. DS9 concluded its plot lines, not simply make them dissappear.

[d_Ave]

But to *actually* bring in Angels and God into the plot just destroys the believability of the whole story imo..

Given that Gaius and Caprica had seen the apparitions from the start, I would gather it was the writers intentions to take it that way.


And I wonder... where were all the base ships surrounding the colony? I guess the colony was managed by Governor Tarken.


They explained that the colony was right beside a black hole. Positioned such that there could only be one ship docked at a time.

[MrDisco]

Given that Gaius and Caprica had seen the apparitions from the start, I would gather it was the writers intentions to take it that way.

However during the course of the series that could easily have been explained as a Cylon projection. They only crystalized on them being Angels in the last moments of the finale.

And what of the piano man that Starbuck sees (who vanishes from the scene). Was he Angel as well? An Angel visiting another Angel? :confused:

[lorax1284]

I'll tell you what! The fans of Harry Potter appreciate the story arc: JKR spent quite a bit of time and effort creating the overall story arc (even though the finer details were worked out as she went along... lots of people enjoy stories / books / movies that have lots of convoluted details that all come together in the end: there is a lot of respect for well-written stories of this nature, and the Harry Potter books are probably the most successful example of this done well (in my opinion... but let's not derail the thread into HP talk!)

On the special commentary thing before the final episode, when Ron Moore was sitting there talking about how they didn't really know who the final five were going to be until they started writing the episode, where 4 of the five were revealed, that did it for me: it was all made up as it went along, and frankly, that diminished the thing for me: to have it planned that Tyril and Tigh would be cylons from the start made some sense... and I agree with his reasoning that to have any of Admiral Adama, Roslin, Starbuck or Baltar be cylons was just 'too obvious' and / or undermined the character... but to have two otherwise minor characters (Sam Anders and Tory) in the final five with kind-of a "why not" attitude (and they never explained why the cylon raiders would flash a light in their eyes to 'wake them up' or whatever) was kind of cheap. I think there were other cast members they could have had in the final five that would have made sense... Gaeta? (especially with how he acted on New Caprica) Dualla? Doc Calloway? I would have liked to seen a minor but relevant character that was on since the beginning of the show be one of the final five (Billy would have been a good choice, instead of Tory, because I really liked his character and how close he was to the President).

I liked that the visions of Six and Baltar respectively seen by Baltar and Caprica were, at the end, not hallucinations, and at the end, they could both see each others (that is my assumption) was good... I don't mind much that they were angels... why not have a supernatural element along with the Sci-Fi elements?

Having Starbuck's return explained by, basically, 'Deus Ex Machina' was a bit of a cop out. And she didn't lead them to their doom at all: she led them to our planet, 150,000 years ago. so frankly, that wasn't resolved either.

I liked that Boomer got killed (although I think it should have been a stoic Athena who sort-of did a sisters-understanding-compassion look thing then pulled the trigger, rather than, I think it was Starbuck, the "Angel"?

And they did build up the Starbuck / Apollo relationship that we all expected to happen, but then with Sam around, it kind-of messed that up... so they wrote in the how they ALMOST did it on the dining room table and got sober just in time.

All in all, a good episode, but the fact that the overall series' story arc was not predetermined (like it WAS with Babylon 5 for at least up to the part where the Vorlons and Shadows leave our galaxy) sort of undermines the quality: one early clue was that Helo was not supposed to be a regular character, but the fans liked him so much they GAVE him a storyline, which resulted in the PIVOTAL STORY LINE for the series (Hera!) so, I'm sorry, but it sounds like extremely good luck that it all held together as well as it did, but I think a little less of it than I used to.

But good entertainment, to be sure... but not as good as the series finale of any of the modern Treks (except "Enterprise" which was a revisionist-history abomination from the get go)

edit:

...and the irony is that bad writing (lack of story plan) can beget good writing (creative thinking to dig out of a whole) but mostly, I like good writing (well thought out story plan) and good writing (creative thinking to make the planned story engaging)... and I think BSG suffered, albeit modestly, from a lack of both good writing and good writing.

[d_Ave]

And what of the piano man that Starbuck sees (who vanishes from the scene). Was he Angel as well? An Angel visiting another Angel? :confused:

The piano man was a fabrication of her mind. She was struggling to find her way so much that her mind created this facsimile of the piano man and her memory of the melody. At least that's the way I see it; I could be way off base. I think a lot of the plot is open to interpretation. That gives people the chance to associate the story to themselves and apply their own meanings.

As for the angel piece. I am sure they could have written the apparitions into any context or meaning, but given the strong lean towards God(s) in the writing of their dialogue, it seems to make sense. Especially given the apparitions insistent motivation to do good. Weren't the apparitions always mentioning, "...God's will..."?

[gflux]

However during the course of the series that could easily have been explained as a Cylon projection. They only crystalized on them being Angels in the last moments of the finale.

And what of the piano man that Starbuck sees (who vanishes from the scene). Was he Angel as well? An Angel visiting another Angel? :confused:

Starbuck was not an angel. She was resurrected by higher powers to complete her destiny. The piano man could've been her father.

[Tomato_1]

I thought BSG jumped the shark after the new caprica arc.

Favourites:
Opera House (that finally made sense)
Tyrol going ape sh*t and killing whatshername
The spacebattles, it finally made me remember what I loved so much about BSG
Head 6 and Head Baltar.. The WTF moment that you can see them
The use of the MP7.. Soo bad ass!!!
Red Stripes! Go Red Stripes.

Meh:
Rosalin whoring it up!!! Go slutty teacher!
All the random metaphor/imagery. I could care less.


Boring:
Flashbacks. enough already. Stop trying to fill time.
Sloppy writing trying to get this to connect to that, to that
Pigeon.. see flashback
Earth. Seriously.. there was no need for that. Just leaves us fanboys asking stupid questions like technology and raptors and all that BS. They should've just shown a scene from the BSG movie

[d_Ave]

I thought BSG jumped the shark after the new caprica arc.

Favourites:
Opera House (that finally made sense)
Tyrol going ape sh*t and killing whatshername
The spacebattles, it finally made me remember what I loved so much about BSG
Head 6 and Head Baltar.. The WTF moment that you can see them
The use of the MP7.. Soo bad ass!!!
Red Stripes! Go Red Stripes.

Meh:
Rosalin whoring it up!!! Go slutty teacher!
All the random metaphor/imagery. I could care less.


Boring:
Flashbacks. enough already. Stop trying to fill time.
Sloppy writing trying to get this to connect to that, to that
Pigeon.. see flashback
Earth. Seriously.. there was no need for that. Just leaves us fanboys asking stupid questions like technology and raptors and all that BS. They should've just shown a scene from the BSG movie

The combat sequences are great, but it's a shame that the imagery and deep rooted symbolism are lost on you. That's really, in my mind, what made the show so great. The portrayal of emotion and the intense meaning behind each of the characters struggles. Whatever, to each his own.

[Tomato_1]

^
Not lost but could give less of a frack.

B5. Now they did a good job of the emotional struggles. BSG. Hey let's get drunk.. Next episode. Hey let's get drunk again..... Next episode.. Snoozzeeee

[jokadeska]

The ending was alright. Some closure to a decent series even though the last season wasn't as good as previous ones...

[rabbit]

> Opera House (that finally made sense)

Didn't really make sense to me. But it's art and divine intervention, so ... :)

> Pigeon.. see flashback

Yeah, that part seemed too much of a Blade Runner wannabe.


> it's a shame that the imagery and deep rooted symbolism are lost on you

Feel free to pipe up then. Isn't that the point of discussion forums?



> WTF: I thought the ship couldn't take a simple FTL jump, but it can take a massive barrage by the entire Cylon fleet?

I can buy that. I imagine that moving the whole ship through some kind of space distortion would put more strain than firing "bullets" at it.

What I don't buy is that eight (or so) nukes from the Raptor can take out the entire Cylon hub (it doesn't show this, but that's the assumption). Keep in mind the size of the hub. If a Raptor can do this, why do battlestars need to engage in the fighting of baseships?



> And I wonder... where were all the base ships surrounding the colony? I guess the colony was managed by Governor Tarken.

God took care of all the other cylons everywhere else, including the ones at the twelve colonies.




> I'll tell you what! The fans of Harry Potter appreciate the story arc: JKR spent quite a bit of time and effort creating the overall story arc

Funny, but I started writing a post last night about comparing the writing of BSG's guys to JK Rowling. I decided not to post it, though, but since you brought it up, I'll also pipe in that Rowling not only planned out the storyline, she also planned what the Weasley family tree was like afterwards. This was completely unnecessarily, of course, since the majority of that info wouldn't appear in the books (it was very briefly touched on in the epilogue).



> (Billy would have been a good choice, instead of Tory, because I really liked his character and how close he was to the President).

Yeah, Billy would have been good, seeing as how he's now pals with KITT, who has the single red eye moving back and forth :).

[kitty]

Interesting all the contrasting comparisons between the BSG finale and the DS9 finale. Wasn't BSG producer Ronald D. Moore involved in both?

[belowzeros]

about the Pigeon...read the tvguide link I posted above, it's a postmortem interview with Ron Moore and he answers all the ambiguous nonsense he injected in to the finale.

the Pigeon was in there cuz he thought it was "cool"


lol.

[MrDisco]

Starbuck was not an angel. She was resurrected by higher powers to complete her destiny. The piano man could've been her father.

Fair enough; but how cruel is it for God to resurrect her only to act as a disappearing GPS. What's the point? They had Hera - just give her some dialog and she could have led the the fleet Earth2. She already had the coordinates mysteriously planted in her finger paintings.

This is the problem I have with introducing God as a character. Any questions you have about its motives can be brushed off with 'it works in mysterious ways'. Hardly the stuff of top-notch planning and writing.

You also have to wonder all those times we see Angel 6 leading (egging on?) Baltar, what exactly was Cylon 6 hearing from Angel Baltar?

[MrDisco]

Interesting all the contrasting comparisons between the BSG finale and the DS9 finale. Wasn't BSG producer Ronald D. Moore involved in both?

"Moore then joined the production staff of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine for its third season as a supervising producer, being promoted to a co-executive producer position for the series' final two years."

[konfusion666]

BTW, I just realized that 152000 years ago Earth was probably in the middle of an ice age. Can anyone confirm that? (Hiro?)

But if I'm right, then that's a major miscalculation on the part of Ron Moore.

[Super strokey]

Just watched the series. Freaking awesome. Truly the BEST sci fi ive seen in years. I was so damn sad at times when they had the little girl i was on the verge of tears (i just had a baby girl so im a bit of a softy lol). Really all the imagery and ideas and the general thought process was excellent. We will be waiting a damn long time to find another sci fi series that is as good methinks. Cheers battlestar, you were fantastic!

[gflux]

Fair enough; but how cruel is it for God to resurrect her only to act as a disappearing GPS. What's the point? They had Hera - just give her some dialog and she could have led the the fleet Earth2. She already had the coordinates mysteriously planted in her finger paintings.

This is the problem I have with introducing God as a character. Any questions you have about its motives can be brushed off with 'it works in mysterious ways'. Hardly the stuff of top-notch planning and writing.

I totally I agree - I wasn't trying to defend the writing at all. I think it's sloppy writing at best. I mean, seeing all these miracles happen right before you're eyes (Head 6, Head Baltar, Starbuck) requires no faith for the characters to believe in God at the end of the episode. Aside from the mystic stuff I still liked the finale overall from an emotional standpoint.

You also have to wonder all those times we see Angel 6 leading (egging on?) Baltar, what exactly was Cylon 6 hearing from Angel Baltar?

They did do an all Cylon point of view episode on Caprica that showed Six and Head Baltar conversing. I can't recall what it was all about though. It started with Boomer resurrecting after her assasination and being integrated back into Cylon society.

[prvt10]

Another interview with Ron Moore. http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html Again, he can't give definitive answers to many of the unresolved questions about the show because he just doesn't know.

(On whether Head Six and Head Baltar are angels or demons)

Moore: I think they're both. We never tried to name exactly what the head characters were, we never looked at them as angels or demons. They seemed to periodically say good things or evil things, to save people or to damn people. There was a sense that they worked in the service of something else... that was guiding and helping, sometimes obstructing, sometimes tempting. The idea at the end was that whatever they're in service of is eternal and continues, and whatever they are, they too are still around, with all of us who are the children of Hera. They continue to walk among us and watch.

Assuming they are angels or demons, why did they look like Six and Baltar or vice versa? Why were they the only ones able to see them? Ron Moore says their role seemingly was to guide, help, obstruct and tempt in the service of a higher being. Couldn't this god or whatever make up his damn mind. The writers incorporated all this inexplicable stuff into the series with no clue on how to explain it so they didn't bother trying, hoping the viewers wouldn't notice it makes no sense.

[Talamasca]

BTW, I just realized that 152000 years ago Earth was probably in the middle of an ice age. Can anyone confirm that? (Hiro?)

But if I'm right, then that's a major miscalculation on the part of Ron Moore.

Even if Earth was in an ice age, the glaciation wouldn't have covered Tanzania as it is too far from the polar regions.

One mistake they did make was mentioning the use of agriculture, which only dates back about 12,000 years. Don't tell me that 38,000 people managed to farm across the planet 150,000 years ago and all of that evidence was somehow wiped out.

[chrome_dout]

I'm having trouble believing I'm descended from a half Asian, half White kid. Other than that, I thought it was a great finale.

[MrDisco]

In case anyone missed the Digg posting:

http://digg.com/television/The_Battlestar_Galactica_Finale_You_Didn_t_See


The writers incorporated all this inexplicable stuff into the series with no clue on how to explain it so they didn't bother trying, hoping the viewers wouldn't notice it makes no sense.

Absolutely spot on. Proof:

Just watched the series. Freaking awesome. Truly the BEST sci fi ive seen in years.
Really all the imagery and ideas and the general thought process was excellent. We will be waiting a damn long time to find another sci fi series that is as good methinks. Cheers battlestar, you were fantastic!

:P

[ricenice]

You guys are over analyzing this. Its a TV show watch it enjoy it and move on with your lives.

[Vashin]

But the series set such high standards for itself after the first two seasons, it is hard not to be disappointed if you're a fan.

[rabbit]

> But the series set such high standards for itself after the first two seasons

Well, some episodes set high standards, but I've been saying all along that the series was overrated.

The producers just got in over their heads with their grand ideas. I think if I broke down the episodes that I actually like, they would end up to be the action or semi-action ones (like s1e01, "33").

It's not like I wanted to dislike BSG; like practically everyone else, I thought the mini-series was amazing (bought the DVD when it came out). Unfortunately, maybe it was too amazing, and the producers were rushed into making a series before they had mapped out some kind of plot/story.

[kitty]

It's not like I wanted to dislike BSG; like practically everyone else, I thought the mini-series was amazing (bought the DVD when it came out). Unfortunately, maybe it was too amazing, and the producers were rushed into making a series before they had mapped out some kind of plot/story.

But how could they (the producers) hold the rights to a franchise like BSG and not think it would have the potential become a series? When they were pitching this to the networks; they must have had some planning.

[Vashin]

The original plan was just for the miniseries but it ended up so popular they made it into a tv series

[rabbit]

They also may have thought that they had more time between the mini-series and actual series.


Something else about the last episode:

At the end, the centurions were given the baseship and their "freedom".

The centurions were originally created by the Colonials to be slaves, then rebelled, and after a war, they left. During that time, the cylons wanted to evolve and become more human, so they created hybrids, but it wasn't until they had the help of the final five that they were able to create human cylons.

So at the end of the series, the human cylons join the Colonials, and leave the centurions and the hybrid on their own. So what did the centurions get out of the whole thing? They're back to almost where they started! As Baltar said in one episode, the centurions are getting the short end of the stick.

[Super strokey]

In case anyone missed the Digg posting:

http://digg.com/television/The_Battlestar_Galactica_Finale_You_Didn_t_See



Absolutely spot on. Proof:



:P

Screw you buddy, it does make sense if you actually attempt to understand it. If you cant see things for yourself and enjoy the show and need some post on the internet to help you feel better for it not making sense to you then fine.

[Super strokey]

They also may have thought that they had more time between the mini-series and actual series.


Something else about the last episode:

At the end, the centurions were given the baseship and their "freedom".

The centurions were originally created by the Colonials to be slaves, then rebelled, and after a war, they left. During that time, the cylons wanted to evolve and become more human, so they created hybrids, but it wasn't until they had the help of the final five that they were able to create human cylons.

So at the end of the series, the human cylons join the Colonials, and leave the centurions and the hybrid on their own. So what did the centurions get out of the whole thing? They're back to almost where they started! As Baltar said in one episode, the centurions are getting the short end of the stick.


They only kinda are, they wanted to evolve and so they found a way to do it. But the problem was that they were essentially forced back into slavery under their new masters which were the human cylons. The very things that were supposed to deliver them and make them better forced them back to where they were before. I guess its more a lesson of be happy for what you have prehaps.

[rabbit]

> Screw you buddy, it does make sense if you actually attempt to understand it.

Another one talking big but failing to address the issues brought up on the past few pages.

[Super strokey]

> Screw you buddy, it does make sense if you actually attempt to understand it.

Another one talking big but failing to address the issues brought up on the past few pages.

Do you have issues with the qouting system? Just wondering as your dont seem to use the qoute button often (serious question not trying to be a jerk)

ANyways i think alot of it is people require that things have a perfect ending nowdays and that all of the dots are connected and dont have to think anymore about stuff. Not everything is going to be black and white and some stuff not answered and left up to 100% "no one really knows" is best. Lets us all think (which is rare enough nowdays) and make decisions for our selves. What ever happened to people just using their own imaginations?

[SAN66]

ANyways i think alot of it is people require that things have a perfect ending nowdays and that all of the dots are connected and dont have to think anymore about stuff. Not everything is going to be black and white and some stuff not answered and left up to 100% "no one really knows" is best. Lets us all think (which is rare enough nowdays) and make decisions for our selves. What ever happened to people just using their own imaginations?

There's a difference between not tying up loose ends and building up a storyline only to not finish that storyline.

I don't think they needed to tie up what the projections of Baltar and Six were, but I do think that they should have tied up Starbucks storyline.

We've been hearing "Kara Thrace is the Harbinger of Death" since the Razor special, heck they even repeated the line a few episodes before. Then you reach the finale.... and nothing. Heck I would have been happy if Starbuck stayed behind with some kind of nuke to blow up the power core of the cylon base, being the harbinger of death to the cylons (that would have been awesome and paralleled Razor), but no, at best you can say she helped find the cylon base, but really that was mostly Anders, so they never answered a question that they have brought up themselves repeatedly over the course of a season. This is bad writing.

And Mr Moores decision to "focus on the characters" in the finale is by definition bad writing. The first thing you learn in writing is that in the conclusion of your book, movie, tv series, etc you don't focus on character development (you do that in the first 2/3's of your work), you focus on the conclusion of your plot.

[MrDisco]

Screw you buddy, it does make sense if you actually attempt to understand it.

lol, there there it's ok. I'm sorry I bruised your fanboy ego :)

The show ended up being half-baked. There's nothing to understand - the writers were horribly backed into a corner and had to make up some gibberish to end it.

Hera - useless. how does she hear the same song as Starbuck? Must have been God :rolleyes:
Starbuck - angel, zombie, harbinger of death...who knows
Cylon plan - dumped after the writers got jazzed by the Final Five (were they having a Survivor marathon?)
God/Angels - the ultimate answer to all questions. Why bother having a sci-fi show if we're just going to chalk it all up to God's amusement.

If you're going to string along viewers for this many episodes without a sense of planning or pacing then what's the point. May as well show us a blank screen and let viewers imagine their own story.

(And yes it also requires thinking ability to critique a show rather than gush with over-the-top enthusiasm over a putrid finale).

[rabbit]

> Do you have issues with the qouting system? Just wondering as your dont seem to use the qoute button often (serious question not trying to be a jerk)

I prefer not to list the name of the person who wrote what I quoted, since I'm addressing what was written. Sometimes, someone else has the same opinion but uses a different selection of words, so I'm not necessarily singling out a specific person.

Other than the name, there is no difference by how I quote (email style) and quick way.


PS. And still, the guys who tell us to think more do not address the specific points brought up over the past couple of pages, although they do still seem to have more to say ;).

[Tomato_1]

I will use the quote system!!!

lol, there there it's ok. I'm sorry I bruised your fanboy ego :)
QFT. Fanboys take things so personally. I could understand if you are RDM and you poured your heart and soul into it.


The show ended up being half-baked. There's nothing to understand - the writers were horribly backed into a corner and had to make up some gibberish to end it. Amen, even RDM admitted that.

Hera - useless. how does she hear the same song as Starbuck? Must have been God :rolleyes: She could have been something. A sign that cyclons and humans could live together but this Mitchrondrial eve BS. talk about hack writing.


Starbuck - angel, zombie, harbinger of death...who knows Who knows. who cares..
Cylon plan - dumped after the writers got jazzed by the Final Five (were they having a Survivor marathon?) Yes that pissed me off. Turns out the plan was trying to kill everybody


God/Angels - the ultimate answer to all questions. Why bother having a sci-fi show if we're just going to chalk it all up to God's amusement. Didn't mind that as much. but am kind of pissed of is it God or Gods? Like pick a religion.

If you're going to string along viewers for this many episodes without a sense of planning or pacing then what's the point. May as well show us a blank screen and let viewers imagine their own story.

(And yes it also requires thinking ability to critique a show rather than gush with over-the-top enthusiasm over a putrid finale). Agreed. B5 is a perfect example of string viewers along with a payout. I could stare at Dancing with the stars and be like.. Oh.. that dance is symbolic of humans eternal struggles with evil.

BSG jumped the shark after new carprica and never came back.

[Vashin]

Yes that pissed me off. Turns out the plan was trying to kill everybody


I think there's a DVD movie called the plan coming out... hopefully that will shed some light.


But yea overall **** sucked

[gflux]

I thought the plan was to simply boot the humans, figure out how to procreate and then profit.

[prvt10]

this is how I would have ended the series.

Hera was not abducted by the cylons. There is a spectacular battle between the humans and cylons. Starbuck is about to be killed when Cavil orders the cylons to let her go. In a flashback scene, we learn what happened to her when she crashed on earth. She was resurrected on a resurrection ship and Cavil tells her she is the offspring of Daniel. He also consulted with a hybrid and knows she is the harbinger of death. He says he has plans for her. He erases the memory of her resurrection, puts her on a viper and lets her go. Back to the battle, the human fleet is taking a terrible beating. Starbuck puts in the coordinates and the human fleet retreat and jump to earth to about 10000 BC. Galactica is in bad shape. The last jump almost destroyed it. they survey earth and are ecstatic that it's inhabitable. The cylons jump to earth and cavil and says they were able find them because a hybrid had made a special connection with starbuck. He says he's going to kill everybody including the people on earth. Starbuck has seemingly fulfilled her role as the harbinger of death. Baltar preaches about god, compassion, mercy, and forgiveness. this makes cavil pause and he says he'll let them live on earth if they abandon all their technology and turn over Hera. the humans refuse. they want assurance that hera will never be harmed. Boomer shoots Cavil in the head. She promises that Hera will only be studied, not harmed. the humans agree and hera and her parents go to live with the cylons. Hera saves mankind. the cylons blow up all of the of the human's space ships and leave. the humans arrive on earth with nothing but the shirts on their backs. It ends on a hopeful not, as they become earth's first farmers and city builders. they are the founders of earth's civilization. Flashforward to the present. At a news conference, a scientist who looks exactly like starbuck makes an announcement. She's the direct descendant of Starbuck. She says there has been a breakthrough in A.I. and robotics that will allow people to build sentient robots. These robots will do all the work too dangerous and difficult for humans. A reporter asks her the moral implications of using robotic slaves. She says they won't be true life forms and that they will be like sophisticated toasters. thus the cycle begins anew. Starbuck, through the actions of a direct descendant, becomes the harbinger of death.

[rabbit]

I don't know about the middle parts, but your idea for Starbuck is better than what I saw on TV.

[originalnutta]

Finally got around to watching the finale, a bit of a letdown.

Whew am i glad it's done.

As much as i like sci fi, i really didn't enjoy the supernatural metaphorical aspect of the show.


Long live Star Trek!

[originalnutta]

Oh and im sure someone already mentioned how Ronald Moore was seen in the finale episode.
:lol:

Kinda looks like David Gahan from Depeche Mode.

[Tomato_1]

this is how I would have ended the series.

Hera was not abducted by the cylons. There is a spectacular battle between the humans and cylons. Starbuck is about to be killed when Cavil orders the cylons to let her go. In a flashback scene, we learn what happened to her when she crashed on earth. She was resurrected on a resurrection ship and Cavil tells her she is the offspring of Daniel. He also consulted with a hybrid and knows she is the harbinger of death. He says he has plans for her. He erases the memory of her resurrection, puts her on a viper and lets her go. Back to the battle, the human fleet is taking a terrible beating. Starbuck puts in the coordinates and the human fleet retreat and jump to earth to about 10000 BC. Galactica is in bad shape. The last jump almost destroyed it. they survey earth and are ecstatic that it's inhabitable. The cylons jump to earth and cavil and says they were able find them because a hybrid had made a special connection with starbuck. He says he's going to kill everybody including the people on earth. Starbuck has seemingly fulfilled her role as the harbinger of death. Baltar preaches about god, compassion, mercy, and forgiveness. this makes cavil pause and he says he'll let them live on earth if they abandon all their technology and turn over Hera. the humans refuse. they want assurance that hera will never be harmed. Boomer shoots Cavil in the head. She promises that Hera will only be studied, not harmed. the humans agree and hera and her parents go to live with the cylons. Hera saves mankind. the cylons blow up all of the of the human's space ships and leave. the humans arrive on earth with nothing but the shirts on their backs. It ends on a hopeful not, as they become earth's first farmers and city builders. they are the founders of earth's civilization. Flashforward to the present. At a news conference, a scientist who looks exactly like starbuck makes an announcement. She's the direct descendant of Starbuck. She says there has been a breakthrough in A.I. and robotics that will allow people to build sentient robots. These robots will do all the work too dangerous and difficult for humans. A reporter asks her the moral implications of using robotic slaves. She says they won't be true life forms and that they will be like sophisticated toasters. thus the cycle begins anew. Starbuck, through the actions of a direct descendant, becomes the harbinger of death.

Yeah works better than the crap we saw. Like I said I was cool with all that god stuff up until the fast forward to 150 000 years in the future.

Hera should've been a symbol of toasters and human love. Not a ***** bag who fracked a whole lot of cavemen.

[kitty]

this is how I would have ended the series.

Hera was not abducted by the cylons. There is a spectacular battle between the humans and cylons. Starbuck is about to be killed when Cavil orders the cylons to let her go. In a flashback scene, we learn what happened to her when she crashed on earth. She was resurrected on a resurrection ship and Cavil tells her she is the offspring of Daniel. He also consulted with a hybrid and knows she is the harbinger of death. He says he has plans for her. He erases the memory of her resurrection, puts her on a viper and lets her go. Back to the battle, the human fleet is taking a terrible beating. Starbuck puts in the coordinates and the human fleet retreat and jump to earth to about 10000 BC. Galactica is in bad shape. The last jump almost destroyed it. they survey earth and are ecstatic that it's inhabitable. The cylons jump to earth and cavil and says they were able find them because a hybrid had made a special connection with starbuck. He says he's going to kill everybody including the people on earth. Starbuck has seemingly fulfilled her role as the harbinger of death. Baltar preaches about god, compassion, mercy, and forgiveness. this makes cavil pause and he says he'll let them live on earth if they abandon all their technology and turn over Hera. the humans refuse. they want assurance that hera will never be harmed. Boomer shoots Cavil in the head. She promises that Hera will only be studied, not harmed. the humans agree and hera and her parents go to live with the cylons. Hera saves mankind. the cylons blow up all of the of the human's space ships and leave. the humans arrive on earth with nothing but the shirts on their backs. It ends on a hopeful not, as they become earth's first farmers and city builders. they are the founders of earth's civilization. Flashforward to the present. At a news conference, a scientist who looks exactly like starbuck makes an announcement. She's the direct descendant of Starbuck. She says there has been a breakthrough in A.I. and robotics that will allow people to build sentient robots. These robots will do all the work too dangerous and difficult for humans. A reporter asks her the moral implications of using robotic slaves. She says they won't be true life forms and that they will be like sophisticated toasters. thus the cycle begins anew. Starbuck, through the actions of a direct descendant, becomes the harbinger of death.

This is a way better ending than the one that was produced.

[d_Ave]

I was cool with all that god stuff up until the fast forward to 150 000 years in the future. .

I agree, the "150,000 Years Later" bit was just a little preachy and seemingly took away from the emotion they tried to instill before.

[jokadeska]

this is how I would have ended the series.

Hera was not abducted by the cylons. There is a spectacular battle between the humans and cylons. Starbuck is about to be killed when Cavil orders the cylons to let her go. In a flashback scene, we learn what happened to her when she crashed on earth. She was resurrected on a resurrection ship and Cavil tells her she is the offspring of Daniel. He also consulted with a hybrid and knows she is the harbinger of death. He says he has plans for her. He erases the memory of her resurrection, puts her on a viper and lets her go. Back to the battle, the human fleet is taking a terrible beating. Starbuck puts in the coordinates and the human fleet retreat and jump to earth to about 10000 BC. Galactica is in bad shape. The last jump almost destroyed it. they survey earth and are ecstatic that it's inhabitable. The cylons jump to earth and cavil and says they were able find them because a hybrid had made a special connection with starbuck. He says he's going to kill everybody including the people on earth. Starbuck has seemingly fulfilled her role as the harbinger of death. Baltar preaches about god, compassion, mercy, and forgiveness. this makes cavil pause and he says he'll let them live on earth if they abandon all their technology and turn over Hera. the humans refuse. they want assurance that hera will never be harmed. Boomer shoots Cavil in the head. She promises that Hera will only be studied, not harmed. the humans agree and hera and her parents go to live with the cylons. Hera saves mankind. the cylons blow up all of the of the human's space ships and leave. the humans arrive on earth with nothing but the shirts on their backs. It ends on a hopeful not, as they become earth's first farmers and city builders. they are the founders of earth's civilization. Flashforward to the present. At a news conference, a scientist who looks exactly like starbuck makes an announcement. She's the direct descendant of Starbuck. She says there has been a breakthrough in A.I. and robotics that will allow people to build sentient robots. These robots will do all the work too dangerous and difficult for humans. A reporter asks her the moral implications of using robotic slaves. She says they won't be true life forms and that they will be like sophisticated toasters. thus the cycle begins anew. Starbuck, through the actions of a direct descendant, becomes the harbinger of death.


Wow great story! I like it

[Ojam]

Anybody find any deals on the complete series Blu-Ray yet?
Amazon.ca seems to have it for 265.99 and futureshop is sitting at a cool 299.99. Any hope of either of these dropping before release on July 28th, or should I just suck it up and pre-order from Amazon already?

[Tornado F2]

Anybody find any deals on the complete series Blu-Ray yet?
Amazon.ca seems to have it for 265.99 and futureshop is sitting at a cool 299.99. Any hope of either of these dropping before release on July 28th, or should I just suck it up and pre-order from Amazon already?

You should be able to find seasons 1 through 4.0 individually for a total of around $160 if you look around.

[Ojam]

You should be able to find seasons 1 through 4.0 individually for a total of around $160 if you look around.

Not on blu-ray.