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SwiZz
Mar 14th, 2008, 01:53 PM
I hate to just post another news article, but the story is quite interesting and is along the lines of what's been discussed a lot on the off topic forum these days, the act of what you would do when you are being robbed/attacked. Do you just stand there and take it? Or do you fight back and try to stop it?

This guy had some serious balls:

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_20612.aspx
(happened in Toronto, by the way)......but then again, where else? :P

Pizza Delivery Driver Grabs Onto Machete-Wielding Bandit And Stares Down Three Armed Men

Friday March 14, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff

It's the one thing police say you should never do, and for the second time in just over a week, someone did it. A pizza delivery man is being hailed a hero after staring down four armed robbers - including one brandishing a machete.

He not only foiled the crime while it was in progress, he faced down three accomplices and held one of the suspects for police.

This amazing story took place Monday night, when a man carrying a machete walked into the Pizza Pizza on Harwood Ave. South in Pickering. It was just past 11pm, when the bandit entered, drew the blade, and demanded cash from the terrified clerk.

The employees of the store refused to comply with his demands and as he turned to leave the restaurant empty handed, he suddenly found he was unable to move. When he turned around, he quickly discovered the reason - the pizza delivery driver had grabbed onto him and refused to let go.

The tension escalated when three other men suddenly appeared, one armed with a handgun. They assaulted him and threatened to shoot him on the spot unless he released their comrade. But the driver stubbornly refused and held on for dear life, even as the would-be robber squirmed and tried to get out his clutches.

Realizing they'd lost control of the situation and police were on their way, the trio turned around and fled out the door, leaving one of their own behind, as the pizza employee enveloped him in a crushing grasp.

Cops finally arrived, recovering the machete, a mask - and the suspect, who was taken into custody.

Despite being assaulted by three men and staring down a gun, the driver wasn't hurt.

A 16-year-old young offender is charged with robbery, disguise with intent and weapons dangerous. He was held for a bail hearing.

Cops are now hoping someone out there knows his alleged associates and can put the finishing chapter on this bizarre crime spree drama. They're described as only as three males in their early 20s. Two were white, one was black. Call (905) 579-1520 ext. 5361 if you know who they are.

It's the second time this month ordinary citizens have come to the rescue. Last week, a convenience store clerk was being held up by a knife wielding assailant, when two customers spotted what was going on and rushed into disarm the man. A 43-year-old is facing charges in that case.

While police applaud the bravery of all those involved, they insist it's a bad policy that could just as easily have left innocent people injured. Their advice if you see a robbery in progress: call 911 and give cops as much information as possible. And if you're the victim, turn over what the bandit wants. The money or the merchandise can be replaced.

You can't.

As brave as this guy was, there was a big risk that the other three people could've hurt a lot of the other employees. So as amazing as it was, he'd probably be at fault, had anyone been seriously injured/killed.

mart242
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:07 PM
I'm surprised that the other employees did not accidentally stabbed / dropped boiling oil / hit with pizza pan the thief.. Break his knee and you can be sure that he won't do it again.. or if he does, he won't be able to run away.

tinlunlau
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:11 PM
Calling 911 when it is in progress won't do much good. By the time they arrive upon calling. Those thugs probably ran with the money already and the cops would be on a random goose chase.

So kudos to that pizza delivery boy.

GangStarr
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:11 PM
They assaulted him and threatened to shoot him on the spot unless he released their comrade. But the driver stubbornly refused and held on for dear life, even as the would-be robber squirmed and tried to get out his clutches.

Most large businesses have a no hero policy, and for a good reason.

Sure, everything worked out and everyone hails him a hero, but what if the guy with the hand gun shot every person in the store? Simply because one driver refused to comply.

Look its one thing if you see someone getting robbed on the TTC, thats their ipod, their wallet etc. Its another thing when a company as large as pizza pizza loses $100 or $200 from their till. What if it was your husband or wife shot because someone tried to be a hero? At the end of the day who really benefited from this? Just pizza pizza.

Safety first, this guy isn't a hero, hes just brave and lucky.

rosebud
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:26 PM
THC - Tolerance, Humility and Comprehension

Rocketo
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:54 PM
i always told my wife i'd never buy a house in pickering and ajax..stories like this prove my idea that crime is high around there....i wonder why

Aznkid2000
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:58 PM
wuts with these teen robbers these days....

from subway station to pizza store now....

I guess we should watch out when dealing

patriot
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Have to agree, this fella is some lucky fool !

Machete + Hand gun = give him the money. period.

Indeed
Mar 14th, 2008, 03:01 PM
The black 16-year-old's gang friends will be back to take revenge on the delivery guy.

carmaster
Mar 14th, 2008, 03:01 PM
Have to agree, this fella is some lucky fool !

Machete + Hand gun = give him the money. period.

Should have just gave them the money. Never pull anything like that.

Rocketo
Mar 14th, 2008, 03:02 PM
"A significant portion of Pickering residents are classified as visible minorities. According to the 2001 census, 9.3% of the city's population is Black, 7.0% South Asian, 2.2% Filipino and 2.0% East Asian. 73.5% of the population identifies as Caucasian."

from wikipedia

what does that have to do with anything?

Rocketo
Mar 14th, 2008, 03:06 PM
the articled stated that one of the suspects was black

oh...nevermind i was just saying i wonder why it's so bad out there..i wasn't referring to colour..and i REFUSE to go there...

i wonder if there is a statistic of petty crimes and who does them

GangStarr
Mar 14th, 2008, 03:07 PM
wuts with these teen robbers these days....

from subway station to pizza store now....

I guess we should watch out when dealing

I think that more and more young people are realizing that you can basically mess up large when your under 18 and not see any jail time.

I mean realistically, if a kid murders someone when they are 14-16. Chances are they will only be behind bars for 1.5-2 years. With our 2x time served before conviction system (meaning every day these kids spend locked up BEFORE trial, is multiplied by 2, something that doesn't happen in the USA) these sentences can be quite short.

So some kids go out and rob a whole bunch of ipods, they know its a slap on the wrist, some probation and their parents find out. Probably sounds like more fun then studying for your average youth.

Certainly sad to see. However considering how much pick pocketing and petty crime occurs in Europe, I think we have it pretty good.

Rocketo
Mar 14th, 2008, 03:12 PM
I think that more and more young people are realizing that you can basically mess up large when your under 18 and not see any jail time.

I mean realistically, if a kid murders someone when they are 14-16. Chances are they will only be behind bars for 1.5-2 years. With our 2x time served before conviction system (meaning every day these kids spend locked up BEFORE trial, is multiplied by 2, something that doesn't happen in the USA) these sentences can be quite short.

So some kids go out and rob a whole bunch of ipods, they know its a slap on the wrist, some probation and their parents find out. Probably sounds like more fun then studying for your average youth.

Certainly sad to see. However considering how much pick pocketing and petty crime occurs in Europe, I think we have it pretty good.

they should go back to chopping the hands off like back in the day ...

GangStarr
Mar 14th, 2008, 04:15 PM
they should go back to chopping the hands off like back in the day ...

Some european countries to this day require that your passport photo have a picture of your right ear. If you were a hardened criminal back in the day, or a history of theft, they would cut off your right ear. Good luck getting through borders with no right ear.

Funny how cutting off someones right ear is probably a more secure way of restricting traveling then say our current passport system.

jopojo
Mar 14th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Should have just gave them the money. Never pull anything like that.

I agree with you man... that man has some huge cojones. Where the hell would a kid get a machete from anyway?

duckling.
Mar 14th, 2008, 07:37 PM
I say it's a case of luck, as well.

Bunch of kids walk in with weapons. Everyone is too scared to move. They presume that weapons will instill fear into others. One of two things happens; 1) you refuse to comply and the kid has no idea what to do. The weapon was merely for intimidation - it wasn't actually supposed to be used. 2) a. The kid has a "spur of the moment" thing, goes out of control because he is angry, or any of those sorts of excuses, and shoots people down. People die. When it's time for him to testify, he says it was a spur of the moment. He didn't actually want to make anyone suffer. He gives puppy eyes. He gets slapped on the wrist. b. The kid is a psychopath and had every full intention to shoot people down anyway, if nothing went his way. Probably still only gets a slap on the wrist because a lawyer will defend him by saying he was mentally unstable and the situation was out of his control.

Or the kid can get away and the city cowers in fear.

Dude's just lucky that the first situation happened.

That's the way I see it anyway. I don't think any mentally sane person willingly wants to kill anyone, long-term wise. Unfortunately, many of us lack anger management and/or self control, and the decisions made in the spur of the moment can be very regretting years later. It's unfortunate that these types of crimes almost never punish youths harshly, now no one thinks twice before acting on what they're doing.

Insane_Pikachu
Mar 14th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Wow, cutting a criminals right ear. Imagine you're alone in a subway station, and you see a guy with his right ear missing, it's like a heads up that he's a criminal.

They should tag people with something for those who committed multiple or serious offenses when they are released back to public. It will indicate us to be alert when we see these people. Then again, some people do change, and it would be discriminating.

rilhouse
Mar 14th, 2008, 09:24 PM
that guy has balls but he is also stupid.

rosebud
Mar 15th, 2008, 09:12 AM
Wow, cutting a criminals right ear. Imagine you're alone in a subway station, and you see a guy with his right ear missing, it's like a heads up that he's a criminal.

+1

add castration, so they can't breed that type of untermensch

SW20 MR2
Mar 15th, 2008, 10:21 AM
Props to the guy, but it wasn't smart. He was lucky in this case that the robbers were punk kids. If it was real criminals, he would either be really hurt or dead.

express.items
Mar 15th, 2008, 10:42 AM
I hate to just post another news article, but the story is quite interesting and is along the lines of what's been discussed a lot on the off topic forum these days, the act of what you would do when you are being robbed/attacked. Do you just stand there and take it? Or do you fight back and try to stop it?

This guy had some serious balls:

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_20612.aspx
(happened in Toronto, by the way)......but then again, where else? :P



As brave as this guy was, there was a big risk that the other three people could've hurt a lot of the other employees. So as amazing as it was, he'd probably be at fault, had anyone been seriously injured/killed.

+1 Canada's legal system is full of fail.