[Merged] I Want My Previous Employer To Suffer From The Ida

[ah_be]

What Should I Do?


they are usually such a mess with client information and always loses client documents and information..once they heard that IDA is comin' to check um..they r trying so hard to hide all the mess and clean up all the mess thats been sitting there for over a year...

i want the IDA to make them pay a penalty or suffer..what can i do? for revenge

[pitz]

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/managing/career/article.jsp?content=20061106_82155_82155

Read that article. Note how they went 'all out' to ostracize Kent Shirley until he finally killed himself.

Seriously, move on if you can.

[ah_be]

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/managing/career/article.jsp?content=20061106_82155_82155

Read that article. Note how they went 'all out' to ostracize Kent Shirley until he finally killed himself.

Seriously, move on if you can.


i dont care..i want them to pay back for what they have done to me..

i hope he kills himself..

[7jaii]

Any company that doesn't perform due diligence and protect client data should be investigated or fined. You have to document instances when your company knowingly ignored best practices etc. You can also report them to the privacy commission.

[15-20_God]

i dont care..i want them to pay back for what they have done to me..

what did they do to give you such sour grapes? why were you fired?

[nahim.a.a]

what did they do to give you such sour grapes? why were you fired?

Fired for lack of communication skills?

[chrza]

i dont care..i want them to pay back for what they have done to me..

i hope he kills himself..

yikes.

[gordholio]

What Should I Do?


they are usually such a mess with client information and always loses client documents and information..once they heard that IDA is comin' to check um..they r trying so hard to hide all the mess and clean up all the mess thats been sitting there for over a year...

i want the IDA to make them pay a penalty or suffer..what can i do? for revenge

I would just move on. Being in a spirit of bitterness is not healthy. :)

[cfuttlo]

Your former employer is reading this thread right now. They are also working on having you deported back to wherever you came from.

[danfromwaterloo]

i dont care..i want them to pay back for what they have done to me..

i hope he kills himself..

What did they do? Steal your shift key?

[st7860]

What Should I Do?


they are usually such a mess with client information and always loses client documents and information..once they heard that IDA is comin' to check um..they r trying so hard to hide all the mess and clean up all the mess thats been sitting there for over a year...

i want the IDA to make them pay a penalty or suffer..what can i do? for revenge

don't get mad. get even. http://www.ekran.no/html/revenge/

[blainehamilton]

Geee, I guess you wouldn't be looking for a positive reference from them...

Move on. If they get investigated and fined, do you really think having them on your resume will help??

[st7860]

is their software legally licenced? Windows, MS Office, etc? If it is not, thats one easy way to mess with a company. report them.

[chrza]

Geee, I guess you wouldn't be looking for a positive reference from them...

Move on. If they get investigated and fined, do you really think having them on your resume will help??

I think it's safe to assume that he can't already rely on them for a positive reference.

[Sonbuster]

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/managing/career/article.jsp?content=20061106_82155_82155

Read that article. Note how they went 'all out' to ostracize Kent Shirley until he finally killed himself.

Seriously, move on if you can.

i'm reading the first page, nearing the end i'm thinking where is this going... and then i see :


<<< PREVIOUS 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 NEXT >>>

[TenzoR]

is their software legally licenced? Windows, MS Office, etc? If it is not, thats one easy way to mess with a company. report them.

that doesn't do much,

slap in the wrist by the software company and they get to purchase software at a discount.

[ah_be]

wat i can do for revenge?

i want the IDA to get them cuz they will check them next monday...how can i do that?

any suggestions? i want IDA to penalize them for money or perhaps even fire my VP..:evil: :evil:

[Barayolayosa]

wat i can do for revenge?

i want the IDA to get them cuz they will check them next monday...how can i do that?

any suggestions? i want IDA to penalize them for money or perhaps even fire my VP..:evil: :evil:

I must be missing something... why do you need revenge? Who is/are the IDA? :confused:

Your employer can terminate you if they wish. You do not need to do anything "wrong" in order to get terminated - they hired you, they can fire you!

You sound like you've been listening to too many union pep talks.

[15-20_God]

another thread?
if you really want to get the company back maybe you can try and get them to re-hire you.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=564758

[thelefteyeguy]

wow you guys understood what he was talking about :-0

[YYZFA]

Okay, if you believe that your employer dismissed you unfairly, or without due cause, then I'd consider suing them. If you win, you'll either get your job back with retro pay, or possibly a cash settlement.

Striking back at them to get some sort of revenge would most likely be ineffective and a waste of time.

"IDA" seems to be an industry related term. What is the "IDA"?

I noticed that you posted the same question in "Off Topic" a few days ago, but you didn't answer the questions that were posed to you, specifically why you were fired. Giving us a reason may give us home insight that could help you.

In that same post, you said you hoped your former boss would commit suicide. That's extremely childish. I wonder if you showed the same crappy attitude at work, as you have here. I've read your posts. It's never a good idea to publicly bash the company you are working for. It's very possible that one of your bosses read this, and figured out it was you.


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...d.php?t=564758

[TrEvOrLiCioUs]

How long have you been working for the company?

That determines how much termination pay you are entitled to in lieu of notice.

An employer can terminate you at anytime without reason, but they either have to provide you with minimum notice, or pay in lieu of notice, and if you've worked there longer they can be entitled to severance also.

[Barayolayosa]

Okay, if you believe that your employer dismissed you unfairly, or without due cause, then I'd consider suing them.

What would you sue them for? Terminating you?

As far as I know, employers can terminate employees without cause as long as they follow the proper notice periods or pay in lieu as mentioned by TrEvOrLiCioUs above.

[YYZFA]

If it's deemed an unfair dismisal, then you can sue and win. I've seen it happen at my place of employment, and the company I used to work for. You're right, they can terminate at any time without reason, but they have to pay a severance, give notice, etc.

The cases I've seen get won by the employees were cases when the employer terminated them due to a false allegation.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the OP was not terminated unfairly. He seems to be the type that created a poisoned work environment, and has a very bad attitude. That is reason enough for dismisal. Trash talking and publicly undermining the company you work for will also get you fired.

[Barayolayosa]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the OP was not terminated unfairly. He seems to be the type that created a poisoned work environment, and has a very bad attitude. That is reason enough for dismisal. Trash talking and publicly undermining the company you work for will also get you fired.

LOL

+1

[Moebiwankenobi]

depends on your terms of employment as well. Notice and severance has to be paid unless you are terminated based on "Just Cause". What defines Just Cause is up to your contract and if not clarified, could be a point of argument.

[UncleSteve]

Trash talking and publicly undermining the company you work for will also get you fired.

Maybe the OP's boss is also an RFD member and saw his posting history.....

[bobbycat]

I'm gonna take a guess and say IDA = Investment Dealers Association of Canada

:?:

[Moebiwankenobi]

did OP work for a bank?

His other thread stated things like privacy and such. If you work for the bank, your contract is very detailed and usually means you have no grounds to sue or dispute if your termination was within their guidelines.

I guess they caught you facebooking or RFD'ing while you were at work? :D

[AllWheelDrift]

I guess they caught you facebooking or RFD'ing while you were at work? :D
They probably saw some of his other posts about how much he hates his job, the politics, and the fact that he was going to quit and decided to give him a hand.

[help_questions]

wat i can do for revenge?

i want the IDA to get them cuz they will check them next monday...how can i do that?

any suggestions? i want IDA to penalize them for money or perhaps even fire my VP..:evil: :evil:

okay, first i need some clarification
1)how long did you work with this employer? full-time?

2)why were you fired? And I don't mean why you think you were fired, such as you boss is a jerk or company is unfair, but the real reason your employment was terminated (what you record of employment will say, what you were told when being fired?

3)were you given a letter outlining clearly why employment is being terminated?

4)did you get any notice about your employment ending?

5)were you hired as a contract employee, or were you a regular employee?

6)did you sign anything on your way out the door (after you were fired)?

7)how long ago were you fired?

8) have you received anything from them yet? (ROE, termination/severence pay)

As for being concerned with getting them back for firing you, dont worry about that for now. there is plenty of time for that later, and really, is the least of your concerns. if you were fired without doing anything wrong, as you say, this could be a payday for you, which could be costly for them. also, you should be looking into getting EI if you have not done so already.

[Rosico]

Um, let me guess - based on:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/search.php?searchid=10355492

you got fired from your HSBC banking job for taking too much sick time off? Or maybe they read these forums ...

[elty]

You have mentioned that you are quitting. Now you don't even have to type a resignation letter anymore. Why are you complaining?

[help_questions]

You have mentioned that you are quitting. Now you don't even have to type a resignation letter anymore. Why are you complaining?

he didnt quit. he was terminated and may be entitled to some money.
they fact that he wanted to quit is irrelevant.

[thelefteyeguy]

wow this threads got legs...even though Im still confused with what the OP is talking about

[jl001]

Perhaps OP worked at a small independent drug store and got fired.
This store is a part of IDA (independent drugstore association?) - it's time for IDA audit or something...
That's the best I can come up with...

[ah_be]

Okay, if you believe that your employer dismissed you unfairly, or without due cause, then I'd consider suing them. If you win, you'll either get your job back with retro pay, or possibly a cash settlement.

Striking back at them to get some sort of revenge would most likely be ineffective and a waste of time.

"IDA" seems to be an industry related term. What is the "IDA"?

I noticed that you posted the same question in "Off Topic" a few days ago, but you didn't answer the questions that were posed to you, specifically why you were fired. Giving us a reason may give us home insight that could help you.

In that same post, you said you hoped your former boss would commit suicide. That's extremely childish. I wonder if you showed the same crappy attitude at work, as you have here. I've read your posts. It's never a good idea to publicly bash the company you are working for. It's very possible that one of your bosses read this, and figured out it was you.


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...d.php?t=564758

your first question...i dont even know why i was fired

they fired me anyways..i can write watever i want

i walked into the office yesterday and was normal going to my computer and loggin' in my system and suddenly my manager comes to me and ask me if he can speak with me and boom...fires me...WTF?

there was absolutely no notification or anything i did wrong..thats why they are paying me to leave..

afterwards, my friend who introduced me to the job was quite pissed..on the way they did it..and wanted to get an answer..and the ******' VP was like.."uhh..her performance wasnt good" like gimme a break..if my performance wasnt good..i wouldnt even have passed the 3 month probation..

like please..he could have made up some better excuse

[ah_be]

How long have you been working for the company?

That determines how much termination pay you are entitled to in lieu of notice.

An employer can terminate you at anytime without reason, but they either have to provide you with minimum notice, or pay in lieu of notice, and if you've worked there longer they can be entitled to severance also.

almost a year..they fired me right after RSP season..thats soo ******' mean...why didnt they do it during RSP season becuz it was busy..they use you and fukk u up later...

they gave me termination pay but i dont think it was enough..only 1 month of pay..according to the ESA, they should gimme 2 weeks..so basically they gave me 2 more weeks..which isnt that good..

no notice was given..they just said "effective immediately" and wasted my go train ticket and TTC token...$8 there man..

[ah_be]

If it's deemed an unfair dismisal, then you can sue and win. I've seen it happen at my place of employment, and the company I used to work for. You're right, they can terminate at any time without reason, but they have to pay a severance, give notice, etc.

The cases I've seen get won by the employees were cases when the employer terminated them due to a false allegation.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the OP was not terminated unfairly. He seems to be the type that created a poisoned work environment, and has a very bad attitude. That is reason enough for dismisal. Trash talking and publicly undermining the company you work for will also get you fired.


i only did it after they fired me and didnt do it before hand..i dont even talk at work..i try to talk as minimal as possible..go in on time..and leave on time..

[elty]

your first question...i dont even know why i was fired

they fired me anyways..i can write watever i want

i walked into the office yesterday and was normal going to my computer and loggin' in my system and suddenly my manager comes to me and ask me if he can speak with me and boom...fires me...WTF?

there was absolutely no notification or anything i did wrong..thats why they are paying me to leave..

afterwards, my friend who introduced me to the job was quite pissed..on the way they did it..and wanted to get an answer..and the ******' VP was like.."uhh..her performance wasnt good" like gimme a break..if my performance wasnt good..i wouldnt even have passed the 3 month probation..

like please..he could have made up some better excuse

almost a year..they fired me right after RSP season..thats soo ******' mean...why didnt they do it during RSP season becuz it was busy..they use you and fukk u up later...

they gave me termination pay but i dont think it was enough..only 1 month of pay..according to the ESA, they should gimme 2 weeks..so basically they gave me 2 more weeks..which isnt that good..

no notice was given..they just said "effective immediately" and wasted my go train ticket and TTC token...$8 there man..

If they pay you the proper amount of severance pay then you can't complain, unless you have some very convincing proof that there is racism, sexism, discrimination of some kind... etc in this process.

You checked the ESA and they only required to give you two weeks. They gave you 4, which is more than legally required. You do not dictate how much is "enough", the law does.

You have been complaining about your job for sometime. Even though you may not be talking trash in workplace, it doesn't mean you can easily hide your altitude from your peers. Treat this as a free 1 month vacation, and try to be positive.

[ah_be]

I'm gonna take a guess and say IDA = Investment Dealers Association of Canada

:?:

correct

[ah_be]

okay, first i need some clarification
1)how long did you work with this employer? full-time?

2)why were you fired? And I don't mean why you think you were fired, such as you boss is a jerk or company is unfair, but the real reason your employment was terminated (what you record of employment will say, what you were told when being fired?

3)were you given a letter outlining clearly why employment is being terminated?

4)did you get any notice about your employment ending?

5)were you hired as a contract employee, or were you a regular employee?

6)did you sign anything on your way out the door (after you were fired)?

7)how long ago were you fired?

8) have you received anything from them yet? (ROE, termination/severence pay)

As for being concerned with getting them back for firing you, dont worry about that for now. there is plenty of time for that later, and really, is the least of your concerns. if you were fired without doing anything wrong, as you say, this could be a payday for you, which could be costly for them. also, you should be looking into getting EI if you have not done so already.


1) full time. close to a year.

2) i dont even know why i was fired

3) i was given a letter but not with answers to why i was fired but was severance pay information and how they were gonna give it to me

4) does 3 mins count? found out in the morning when i just came in

5) regular employee..full time ...same as question 1

6) they told me to sign the final release and indemnity form..which i did not yet..cuz they said i can take it home to read it..

7) fired yesterday

8) serverance pay..not enough..only 1 month..

[YYZFA]

Well, sorry to hear about that! I've seen a similar situation at my place of employment, where they just called 2 people in, and fired them without giving them a reason. They paid them out (I think 1 month for every year worked, which is more than they legally had to do).

They weren't given a reason, but we all have a good suspicion as to why they were let go. They weren't happy, and their attitudes slowly demoralized the rest of the staff.

Sounds like there's nothing you can do. I repeat my earlier suggestion that you just move on, and don't dwell in negativity, because really, there's nothing you can do to hurt the company, and it wouldn't help your situation out anyway.

[YYZFA]

If it's deemed an unfair dismisal, then you can sue and win. I've seen it happen at my place of employment, and the company I used to work for. You're right, they can terminate at any time without reason, but they have to pay a severance, give notice, etc.

The cases I've seen get won by the employees were cases when the employer terminated them due to a false allegation.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the OP was not terminated unfairly. He seems to be the type that created a poisoned work environment, and has a very bad attitude. That is reason enough for dismisal. Trash talking and publicly undermining the company you work for will also get you fired.

i only did it after they fired me and didnt do it before hand..i dont even talk at work..i try to talk as minimal as possible..go in on time..and leave on time..


Are you refering to publicly trash talking about the company? If so, you aren't quite telling the truth here.


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=564011

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=558588

[don242]

8) serverance pay..not enough..only 1 month..


1 month pay is more than they are required to give since you weren't even there a year.

Sorry to hear you lost your job. Hopefully something else will come along quickly.

[dark169]

1) full time. close to a year.

8) serverance pay..not enough..only 1 month..

So you where there for less then a year and you feel 1 month is not enough despite its double what they are obligated?

Employers do not need a reason to fire someone, as long as notice or severance is given one cannot sue, its only when one is fired with cause, which doesn't require notice or severance.

Rather then post on the internet about you being fired, perhaps you should have been updating your resume and hitting the pavement :cheesygri

[help_questions]

well, you got more than the minimum.
at the same time, you may want to talk to a lawyer. the are often able to get their clients more than the minimum, depending on the circumstances surrounding your employment and termination, such as your employee file (containing your application, review and disciplinary document, if applicable).

realistically, you may not get that much more, if any, because you were there less than a year, but you may have a case. note that lawyers are really expensive, so IMO what you want to do here is call 20 law firms specializing in employment law and try to set up an appointment for a free consultation. be very clear about wanting a free consultation, and emphasize that you have no money. some may try to squeeze a minimal fee (50-100) out of you, others will say that the first 30 mins is free and then the regular rate applies. Be firm and say you can afford it, or agree to the free 30 mins, and tell them specifically to keep it to 30 mins (which will not get much accomplished). Hopefully by calling 20+ firms, you find 2-3 lawyers who will here your story for a real free consultation and then go from there. also you want lawyer who will work on a contingency basis (% of your winnings, providing that there is a financial profit (you get nothing, they get nothing) You dont want to pay for anything, as i dont think there is much more you can get, but i am not a lawyer. It is amazing the way they can make thing look and sound about situations like this.

and not only will it get you potentially more money, but it will cost your employer more money and time. this could really piss them off.

keep us posted on what you decide to do

[help_questions]

and DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING

[BartBandy]

OK, lemme get this straight:

You hated your job and were considering quitting. Then you got fired, and were given 4 weeks severance instead of the mandatory 2 weeks. Now you want to get your ex-employer (HSBC) in trouble, and wish death upon your ex-boss.

In order, that would make you miserable, ungrateful, vindictive, and a little bit homicidal.

And you have the writing skills of an 8th grader.

How did you manage to last a year?

[BadDrafter]

Since nobody posted one yet.

http://agencyspy.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/youre-fired.jpg

ah_be , beat it! You're fired! Get outta here!

[MoreMiles]

Jobs are not forever, you get them and lose them.

They are not parents and do not have to look after you. They also do not owe you any reason. They just have to follow the law.

Speak to a lawyer? For what? Do you think a lawyer works for free? You want to end up in thousands of dollars in legal fee, just to find out they follow the ESA? :confused:

[Whitedart]

So you where there for less then a year and you feel 1 month is not enough despite its double what they are obligated?

Employers do not need a reason to fire someone, as long as notice or severance is given one cannot sue, its only when one is fired with cause, which doesn't require notice or severance.

Rather then post on the internet about you being fired, perhaps you should have been updating your resume and hitting the pavement :cheesygri

+1

It almost seems like the management staff heard about the other threads here (and possibly elsewhere) trashing the company.

[whampoa]

OP, sorry to hear you're fired. But bashing your employer online and not expecting any reciprocation in return is a little bit naive.

I know, don't ask how, that some high ranking members of your employer is a regular in this and other forums.

So for those looking to spill the dirt, on their current employer, watch what you type on that keyboard and your back as well.

[YYZFA]

That's just common sense. I know for a fact that some of my managers are RFDers. They even told me about some deals on this site. If I revealed who my employer is, they'd easily be able to figure me out. That doesn't worry me too much, because I don't say anything that would upset/embarass my company.

[help_questions]

Jobs are not forever, you get them and lose them.

They are not parents and do not have to look after you. They also do not owe you any reason. They just have to follow the law.

Speak to a lawyer? For what? Do you think a lawyer works for free? You want to end up in thousands of dollars in legal fee, just to find out they follow the ESA? :confused:

yes....he should absolutely speak to a lawyer. I say so because a lawyer might feel the method/nature of his termination is inhumane. instead of firing him immediately, he could have been given working notice, so that he could apply for a job, and be able to say that he was employed to perspective future employers, instead of having to say he is unemployed. He was terminated as if they had cause, when they don't.

he says he was fired at the end of a peak the industry's season...a lawyer might me able to sell that one month notice is not enough for you to for you to find a job, bc the peak season is over.

laywers are not free, and yet the fees can add up. That is why i stated in the my previous post that he search for a lawyer that will work on a contingency based arrangement where the client only pays a percentage of the winnings IF they win money in court...this way he does not loose anything. these lawyers do exist, but it will take time to find one. I had to call 20+ and only get 3 free consultations with lawyers who will work on a contingency arrangement.

the ESA only outlines the minimum requirement for notice....there is a court precedent (from the 60's) which states that every the notice period is different for everyone and based on various characteristics of each individual. THE ESA outlines the minimum requirement. This is the case in Ontario. For some reason, I am assuming that the OP works in Ontario, but I don't think this was confirmed. If OP doesn't work in Ontario, I don't know for sure of the precedent applies.

it is definitely worth looking into; it is a good way to learn something and can cause frustration on the former employer.

I hope the OP has read this, and knows his threads have been merged.

[Octavius]

If I remember correctly, you only get severance pay after working for an employer for TWO YEARS or more. The fact that you got a month makes you extremely lucky.

It sucks you lost your job - I've been down that road before...but you should count your blessings. If I hadn't lost my last job then I wouldn't have landed my current job (Federal Government) and my future would certainly be on unstable ground. You also lost your job right before the time of year where many employers are hiring (at least....temp workers) for the summer. Although one of these seasonal or temp jobs may be beneath you, if it puts food on the table and pays the bills while you attempt to find a better job then there isn't any shame in that.

I understand your pain, but please stop making useless threads asking how you can take "revenge" on your previous employer. I know you're pissed off...but give it a few months after you've found a new job and you'll be over it. If you *really* think your old employer did something wrong, then go talk to a lawyer. If you're not so sure, I wouldn't bother. Lawyers are expensive...and you'll be short on cash for the next little while anyway since you'll be hunting for a new job.

Chances are your former employer has a stack of paperwork with your name on it with everything wrong you've ever done when you worked with them in case you try to challenge the dismissal.

[Piccolo]

i dont care..i want them to pay back for what they have done to me..

i hope he kills himself..
Any and all sypmathy I might have had for your position disapeared after reading this statement.

[Piccolo]

8) serverance pay..not enough..only 1 month..

Are you for real? A troll? Bored & making up stories?


When can an employee's job be terminated?
In most cases, an employer can terminate an employee's job at any time, but employers must provide proper written notice, or termination pay instead of notice.

The following specifies the periods of notice an employer must give an employee based on length of employment:

Length of Employment: Notice Required
Less than 3 months None
3 months but less than 1 year 1 week
1 year but less than 3 years 2 weeks
3 years but less than 4 years 3 weeks
4 years but less than 5 years 4 weeks
5 years but less than 6 years 5 weeks
6 years but less than 7 years 6 weeks
7 years but less than 8 years 7 weeks
8 years or more 8 weeks

[Blunt]

Why are people even trying to help this bozo?
:confused:

[Piccolo]

Why are people even trying to help this bozo?
:confused:
My thoughts exactly.

[help_questions]

When can an employee's job be terminated?
In most cases, an employer can terminate an employee's job at any time, but employers must provide proper written notice, or termination pay instead of notice.



The following specifies the periods of notice an employer must give an employee based on length of employment:

Length of Employment: Notice Required
Less than 3 months None
3 months but less than 1 year 1 week
1 year but less than 3 years 2 weeks
3 years but less than 4 years 3 weeks
4 years but less than 5 years 4 weeks
5 years but less than 6 years 5 weeks
6 years but less than 7 years 6 weeks
7 years but less than 8 years 7 weeks
8 years or more 8 weeks

This is correct, as per the ESA, but note the ESA simply outlines the minimums. The courts have the ability to award more notice.

[KorruptioN]

my employer terminated me without me doing anything wrong

Isn't that how it always is? Judging from your other threads trashing your place of employment, you probably didn't deserve that job and they did you a favour by throwing you out. Now the onus is on you: either find a better job or continue to complain on RFD.