Red light ticket help

[IceQue]

Hey, a couple of months ago I was pulled over for turning on a red light at the intersection of brimley and ellesmere in scarborough. I know I didnt go though the red light ( it was still an amber arrow when I apporached the intersection and I went)

I wanted to know if anybody had in past experenieces in dealing with this ticket. I also wanted to know if there was a way if I could find out if there was a red light camera in place at the intersection at the time this occured.

Thanks

[selpats]

(it was still an amber arrow when I approached the intersection and I went)

I will be interested to hear the responses to this as well. :)

[nishow]

couple of months ago????
if you have pleaded then it must have gone against you.
ALWAYS fight traffic ticket, cops have to prove beyond reasonable doubt. You always have better chance of winning.

[Alvito]

did you turn left or right?

[Lancer2004]

If you go to court saying you went through an Amber light you better have a good defense on why you could not stop safely for the Amber light.. because what you said in your first post will still result in a fine / demerit points.

Disobey Amber Light

The Highway Traffic Act of Ontario states,

"Every driver approaching a traffic control signal showing a circular amber light and facing the light shall stop his or her vehicle if he or she can do so safely, otherwise he or she may proceed with caution."

Ontario Highway Traffic Act Section 144.15

The penalties for disobeying a amber traffic light are the same as if you went through a red traffic light.

* Three demerit points
* A fine of one hundred and eighty dollars ($180.00)
* A conviction registered on your driving record for three years
* Insurance increases

There are different issues to take into consideration for an amber light traffic ticket. During the charge of disobey amber light the defendant (driver) has to prove to the court that they "did not believe that they could stop safely before reaching the intersection, so they proceeded through the intersection with caution".

As well as being assisting and guiding you through testifying at court, an experienced trial agent will be able to properly cross-examine the Police Officer, and prepare and present any legal arguement that may arise during the preparation of your court case.

As traffic tickets can have a dramatic affect on your insurance rates and demerit points to properly represent yourself and to win your case, court representation is recommended. If you haven't appeared in traffic court previously, ran a trial, or know how to make motions, applications and legal arguements you are are at a disadvantage against a government appointed prosecutor and police officer.

There are important issued that the agent will want to bring up in the police officer's testimony, like how long was the amber light at the location, where was the vehicle prior to the officers observation of the traffic signals, and what was the colour of the traffic signal when the vehicle entered the intersection.

As with any court case the prosecution has to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. At court the police officer has do to their job properly, the prosecution has to properly prepare and present the case and the court system has to full fill the requirements placed upon them.

Even if the driver acknowledges that they may not have complied with the law the court system may not be able to prove the case. Court cases and traffic tickets are won on legal technicalities every day.

http://www.ontariotraffictickets.com/tickets/red-lights.htm

[Ebola]

This sub-forum should be renamed:

"The Traffic Ticket and other Motor Vehicle Related Topics Forum".

[Odysseus_Maximus]

This sub-forum should be renamed:

"The Traffic Ticket and other Motor Vehicle Related Topics Forum".

lol so true

[Zaku_4]

similar experiance with me

o'conner x donlands. turning right going north on donlands, light was green, then basically turned red (i swear i never saw a amber, it was late at night/early in the morning).

anyways im on the DVP approaching eglington and just before i get there a cop pulls me over and says he saw me run a red. blahblalbhalbha

fought it and won

find a good ticket fighter and good luck

[hightech]

This sub-forum should be renamed:

"The Traffic Ticket and other Motor Vehicle Related Topics Forum".

Or better yet, branch out the forum into sub areas:

- Traffic Violations and Accidents
- Car Maintenance and Repairs

This way we don't have to have 100 posts on people who want to find a way to weasel out of a ticket.

[ms1031]

I have a similar situation, except I did a rolling stop when turning right on a red light, clearly visible that there were no cars coming. My court date is early next month, so I'm wondering if anyone had similar situations, and what arguments could be used in court.

[feelthedeal]

I have a similar situation, except I did a rolling stop when turning right on a red light, clearly visible that there were no cars coming.

A red light's a red light.....what would it matter if there's no other cars coming?

[Lancer2004]

A red light's a red light.....what would it matter if there's no other cars coming?

Exactly..

See my post. Burning an amber light is the same fine as burning a red light. My best advice would be talk to some sort of legal aid.

[IceQue]

I will be interested to hear the responses to this as well. :)

If you have nothing useful to offer, theres no need for you to comment.

anyways I was turn left onto Brimley from ellesmere. when I got pulled over.

[Nikita]

I have a similar situation, except I did a rolling stop when turning right on a red light, clearly visible that there were no cars coming. My court date is early next month, so I'm wondering if anyone had similar situations, and what arguments could be used in court.

Well, let's just do away with light standards altogether and let all driver's use their discretion as to when they should or shouldn't stop. Yep, that would surely make me feel safer...mmm hmm...:rolleyes:

[selpats]

If you have nothing useful to offer, theres no need for you to comment.

anyways I was turn left onto Brimley from ellesmere. when I got pulled over.

It's an open forum, I will comment as I like. You clearly admitted fault and yet still, you want some way out of the ticket. Let me guess, you belong to Generation Y right? :razz:

Always fight a ticket!!! whether guilty or not cops have to prove in court and worse case is you'll still have to pay the ticket but usually they throw it out or lower it. I've had 6 careless driving when I was younger, in my 00 GT mustang at 16. I got it all lowered to lesser charges or dropped. Always fight it, it's cheaper to pay the amount to fight it then it will in the insurance increase. It's all a money scam by the government either they get you with the ticket and the insurance cash in on you or it's the lawyers who were previously cops representing you that get the money. They know the legal system in that sense that's y it's worth to fight EVERY DAMN TICKETS! With 6 careless driving charges as a teenager I should have had my licence revoked 3 times over! I still have my licence i pay High Insurance but not anywhere as near as High it would be if I had a suspension on there.

GOOD LUCK

Didn't getting those tickets tell you anything about your driving? :cheesygri You said it yourself, you license should have been revoked. Hopefully you drive with respect for others on the road now.

[selpats]

I have a similar situation, except I did a rolling stop when turning right on a red light, clearly visible that there were no cars coming. My court date is early next month, so I'm wondering if anyone had similar situations, and what arguments could be used in court.

Here is an argument you could use:

"I have troubles understanding simple traffic signs and all the traffic laws should change to suit my needs."

[KanDaMan]

I have a similar situation, except I did a rolling stop when turning right on a red light, clearly visible that there were no cars coming. My court date is early next month, so I'm wondering if anyone had similar situations, and what arguments could be used in court.

Your screwed trying to fight this one yourself. I would suggest getting one of those legal aids like Xcopper or whatever their called these days.

[KanDaMan]

Hey, a couple of months ago I was pulled over for turning on a red light at the intersection of brimley and ellesmere in scarborough. I know I didnt go though the red light ( it was still an amber arrow when I apporached the intersection and I went)

I wanted to know if anybody had in past experenieces in dealing with this ticket. I also wanted to know if there was a way if I could find out if there was a red light camera in place at the intersection at the time this occured.

Thanks


You could always drive back to the intersection and see if there are any cameras there. As far as passing amber, you’re screwed trying to fight this yourself without hard evidence proving you couldn’t stop safely (pictures, onboard camera, etc...).

Get yourself some sort of legal aid like those Xcopper people. Better to spend the extra cash then to take 3 D points and insurance hike.

Good luck.

[casperr]

A red light's a red light.....what would it matter if there's no other cars coming?

huh? i didnt get this

he said he was turning right on a red light. isnt this really allowed? not unless you turn left or go straight, then you cant on a red light, but not when you are just turning right and no cars are coming in from your left direction

[spf1971]

huh? i didnt get this

he said he was turning right on a red light. isnt this really allowed? not unless you turn left or go straight, then you cant on a red light, but not when you are just turning right and no cars are coming in from your left direction

You still have to come to a complete stop before you proceed through.