Attn: Security Guards, dont risk your life for $10/hr!

[weedb0y]

Man Dies Chasing Shoplifting Suspect
Wednesday January 9, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff

An incident that started with an apparent shoplifting has led to the death of a man in a supermarket parking lot. It started around 2:35pm Wednesday when a man entered the No Frills store at Markham and Steeles. Police allege he tried to steal some meat and then take off with his unpaid meal.

But employees of the place saw him and began to give chase. One of those in hot pursuit - a man who may have been a security guard at the store - suddenly keeled over as he was going after the suspect. It appears he may have suffered a heart attack.

Paramedics and police were called and immediately began working on the victim, but it was too late. He was pronounced dead. Early reports suggest he wasn't injured in any altercation with the suspect and may not have had any contact with him at all. It seems the exertion was simply too much, although that definitive determination will have to be confirmed by an autopsy.

The suspected thief was collared and held by police.

No names or ages have been released.

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18427.aspx

Please, remember, you are not a cop. I have done security job during my first year university days as well and I did remember that I wasn't paid enough to risk my life. Just to report and be done with it.

Confirmed on TV that the guy was a security guard. Sad.:mad:

[UrbanPoet]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18427.aspx

Please, remember, you are not a cop. I have done security job during my first year university days as well and I did remember that I wasn't paid enough to risk my life. Just to report and be done with it.

Confirmed on TV that the guy was a security guard. Sad.:mad:

he didnt die from any injuries... he was just running.
If he died from running after someone, he might be one of those people that die shoveling snow or going for a jog.

[Nemodigital]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18427.aspx

Please, remember, you are not a cop. I have done security job during my first year university days as well and I did remember that I wasn't paid enough to risk my life. Just to report and be done with it.

Confirmed on TV that the guy was a security guard. Sad.:mad:
That could have happened to anyone... his death certainly wasn't violent. Chasing after a thieving scumbag was courageous.

[weedb0y]

That could have happened to anyone... his death certainly wasn't violent. Chasing after a thieving scumbag was courageous.

but not required, it was stupid. He obviously had a condition. So, dont risk it for $10. Try explaining his actions to his family.

[weedb0y]

he didnt die from any injuries... he was just running.
If he died from running after someone, he might be one of those people that die shoveling snow or going for a jog.

But he obviously abused his condition by doing someting that he didnt need to. He just wanted to be a rent a cop hero.

[Nemodigital]

but not required, it was stupid. He obviously had a condition. So, dont risk it for $10. Try explaining his actions to his family.
A security guard is expected to be in decent shape... if you can't run at full sprint perhaps you should find another line of work.

While his death was tragic like another poster mentioned.... he would have likely died from shoveling snow just as soon as he would died from running.

[UrbanPoet]

But he obviously abused his condition by doing someting that he didnt need to. He just wanted to be a rent a cop hero.

Was it reported that he had a condition?
B/c there are cases where healthy people die suddenly from heart attacks after strenuous activity.

[weedb0y]

A security guard is expected to be in decent shape... if you can run at full sprint perhaps you should find another line of work.

While his death was tragic like another poster mentioned.... he would have likely died from shoveling snow just as soon as he would died from running.


You obviously have no idea about the security industry then? Unless, if you are professional doing body guard services for the elites, rest are people who are just doing this as part time gig or immigrants trying to pay for rent.

[weedb0y]

Was it reported that he had a condition?
B/c there are cases where healthy people die suddenly from heart attacks after strenuous activity.

Then, we come back the same point. Why risk it? You are not going to gain anything. As long as your logs are up to date and you reported it, you've saved yourself from any legal obligations.

[UrbanPoet]

Then, we come back the same point. Why risk it? You are not going to gain anything. As long as your logs are up to date and you reported it, you've saved yourself from any legal obligations.

But the thing is... all he did was run.......
People run all the time.
He wasnt trying to karate chop a gun wielding suspect.

What if he was running after a bus? what if he was playing basketball and was on the fast break? what if he was shoveling snow?

Its not clear whether or not he had a heart condition. He might have been one of the rare cases where healthy people die suddenly from stress.

[trixstar]

i was at the same no frills yesterday, but at around 5pm..

[Alvito]

and u two guys get a different avatar, i keep thinking ur the same person.

[trixR4kids]

but not required, it was stupid. He obviously had a condition. So, dont risk it for $10. Try explaining his actions to his family.

if your someone robs you on the streets, dunt expect anyone to be stupid enough to help you.


btw, what makes him obviously have a condition? i dont see that anywhere in the news.

[molala]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18427.aspx

Please, remember, you are not a cop. I have done security job during my first year university days as well and I did remember that I wasn't paid enough to risk my life. Just to report and be done with it.

Confirmed on TV that the guy was a security guard. Sad.:mad:

obviously where u worked didn't pay you enough, all the security that i know get paid at least $20/hr

he didn't die from chasing a victim, he had a health condition which he shouldn'e be a security guard in the first place

[ullyeus]

While I agree it's silly to risk your life for $10 an hour.....this is a poor example..

it should be "don't run or you might die"

[aimfox]

this guy deserves some respect, i would do the same thing.. what are securities for?

[illusion81]

The guy only got as far as the parking lot?? What is that, 100 - 200 feet of running? I'm sorry, but he either had a VERY serious heart condition or he was a lard ass that shouldn't have been in that line of work in the first place.

The security industry is going to the crapers anyways! These days people are getting their FOB grand parents hired on because they know the supervisor etc. Can somebody explain to me how a 70 year old man that can't speak English be a good candidate for a security guard position? If you need proof that this is happening just go down to the Pearson Airport. The only requirement to get hired on for security there is being of Indian decent. Racism at its best!

/Rant

[fenrus]

Well, I paid $5 to play some volleyball at the rec centre yesterday. Therefore, I was PAYING to risk my life.

[BadDrafter]

he didnt die from any injuries... he was just running.
If he died from running after someone, he might be one of those people that die shoveling snow or going for a jog.

I disagree, he got touched by a reaper, that's what got him.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538507

These things just happen.

[TapemanPL]

Was it reported that he had a condition?
B/c there are cases where healthy people die suddenly from heart attacks after strenuous activity.

this is a possibility, i know someone who was very young that died suddenly from a heart problem that was never noticed. so things like this happen all the time. even without strenuous activity it is possible for someone to just die because of a heart problem. it's just like a time bomb. so in this incident his death might not even be related to the running, if he just stood there he could have simply died as well

[Peckerwood]

I have done security for years...and have always chased down shoplifters...but of course I don't get paid a measly 10/hr.

Minimum pay up here at our mall is 18/hr...boss gets paid 22/hr

But I don't "babysit" anymore

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

its common sense, who would risk their life for $10/hr, they'd get pwnt so hard.

[TapemanPL]

its common sense, who would risk their life for $10/hr, they'd get pwnt so hard.

and what variation of own is that? lol, when did random letters start getting added to a misspelled word?

[vrus]

this guy deserves some respect, i would do the same thing.. what are securities for?

deterrance and observation. $10/hr unequipped not worth getting shot/shanked

[masterhapposai]

he would have likely died from shoveling snow just as soon as he would died from running.

Unlikely, unless he was a senior citizen who was also prone to breaking a hip while walking down the stairs.

When you're shoveling snow you're not in a battle to save your life, you will give up when tired.

Running and being in a life threatening situation spikes your adrenaline massively and puts a heavy drain on your cortisol. There are quite a few conditions where you could die only during this situation. Simply put, adrenaline allows you to "cheat" and push your body beyond it's limits. Obviously his heart could probably only handle a treadmill, not with the excitement that someone may kill him or he must attack.

Shoveling won't do it unless someone has trained their mind to see snow as some sort of life threatening enemy.

[theavonlady]

You obviously have no idea about the security industry then? Unless, if you are professional doing body guard services for the elites, rest are people who are just doing this as part time gig or immigrants trying to pay for rent.



Yea, the "security guards" at my workplace are defiantly just there to pay rent!!!
At the first signs of any trouble, I'd bet they are the first ones to run and hide!!

I'm not saying risk your life or anything but I don't even feel safe with these guys around... Whats the point of having them there if you don't feel safe?
They do nothing but sit there all day.. And they're not in shape at all (Ones super old and frail, another wouldn't be able to run far/fast, ect)
The best thing is - One of the things they're supposed to do is walk out the female staff after 6pm (if they've worked late) Upon asking them, they flatly say no!!!

[Screwball]

Unlikely, unless he was a senior citizen who was also prone to breaking a hip while walking down the stairs.

When you're shoveling snow you're not in a battle to save your life, you will give up when tired.

Running and being in a life threatening situation spikes your adrenaline massively and puts a heavy drain on your cortisol. There are quite a few conditions where you could die only during this situation. Simply put, adrenaline allows you to "cheat" and push your body beyond it's limits. Obviously his heart could probably only handle a treadmill, not with the excitement that someone may kill him or he must attack.

Shoveling won't do it unless someone has trained their mind to see snow as some sort of life threatening enemy.

Thanks for that - I was going to post the same info but you did such a better job explaining it.

[Ebola]

Yea, the "security guards" at my workplace are defiantly just there to pay rent!!!
At the first signs of any trouble, I'd bet they are the first ones to run and hide!!

I'm not saying risk your life or anything but I don't even feel safe with these guys around... Whats the point of having them there if you don't feel safe?
They do nothing but sit there all day.. And they're not in shape at all (Ones super old and frail, another wouldn't be able to run far/fast, ect)
The best thing is - One of the things they're supposed to do is walk out the female staff after 6pm (if they've worked late) Upon asking them, they flatly say no!!!

Why are you surprised?

I've re-iterated on here before, contract security is solely concerned with profit. And to that end, you pay your people as little as possible, and simply provide the client with an illusion of security by having warm bodies in uniform.

They are not supposed to provide active security anyway, their job is to observe any activity and report it to the public police if necessary.

[weedb0y]

obviously where u worked didn't pay you enough, all the security that i know get paid at least $20/hr

he didn't die from chasing a victim, he had a health condition which he shouldn'e be a security guard in the first place

Obviously, not the ones that worked at No Frills. Trust me on that. What company are referring to? Most dont pay $20/hr. Based on experience. My senior supervisors were paid $17 lol

It could be based on most companies in GTA though. G4, Falck, Delta etc etc. Couple of my buddies worked at some other ones and the pay rate was around the same. I know I was asked to do No frills once but I had declined. lol

This was with Delta btw.

[weedb0y]

I disagree, he got touched by a reaper, that's what got him.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538507

These things just happen.

When its your time, it is your time. You are right.

[nolimtzel]

lol dumbest thread ever. im all for forcing people to go to the gym mandatory 3 times per week. fcking fatasses.

[TimePilot]

Security had other options:

1) Call for mobile backup.

2) Throw tin can at shoplifters head knocking him out like crocodile dundee.

[sleepyguy]

You do know heart attacks can happen to anyone right? People in fantasic shape have died suddenly.

Although I do agree it was poor judgement to go chasing after the guy if he wasn't in the greatest condition and 51yrs of age. -sg

lol dumbest thread ever. im all for forcing people to go to the gym mandatory 3 times per week. fcking fatasses.

[RenegadeX]

Some more information from the Toronto Star:
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/292669
A security guard at the No Frills store in the Markham Rd. and Steeles Ave. area approached the unidentified suspect around 2:15 this afternoon. After a brief confrontation the suspect fled the scene with some stolen meat.

The security guard, a 51-year-old man from Toronto, gave chase through the parking lot and off the property before hailing a passing police cruiser. York officers chased down the man and wrangled the shoplifter to the ground before arresting him on the south side of Steeles Ave., roughly a kilometre away from the store.

According to Det. Don Dalgleish of York Regional Police Five District, the security guard was giving his statement to police approximately five minutes later when he collapsed in a heap.

“He was talking to the officer and he just fell over,” said Dalgleish.From YorkRegion.com (http://www.yorkregion.com/article/66498):David Williams, 42, of Toronto is charged with theft, possession of stolen goods under $5,000, assault with intent to resist arrest and escape lawful custody.