math and computers highschool teacher?

[andrew2good4u]

I just wanted to get a ballpark range of what they get paid to start.

Lets make a scenario..

Umm 2 years work experience in the IT field
working at a highschool in toronto.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks


Also feel free to comment on the prospects of becoming a teacher and how much math/tech teachers are needed (or not needed) in GTA highschools

thanks

[UrbanPoet]

I heard the teacher shortage is over b/c everyone wants to become one.
Plus theres so many people that use "teachers college" as a backup for the arts & humanities degree that they get in uni

[andrew2good4u]

I heard the teacher shortage is over b/c everyone wants to become one.
Plus theres so many people that use "teachers college" as a backup for the arts & humanities degree that they get in uni


thanks for the quick response but from what I know, there are alot of ARTS type teachers and not too many MATH/ TECHNOLOGY type teachers.

I may be wrong though

[UrbanPoet]

thanks for the quick response but from what I know, there are alot of ARTS type teachers and not too many MATH/ TECHNOLOGY type teachers.

I may be wrong though

Its not like you wont find a job. Im sure you will eventually find one (might not be in your desired area) if you try hard enough.
Places like Vaughn, richmond hill, and mississauga are growing. So they always need more teachers.

Another thing is... teaching is a job you do for the love of it.
Your only going to get 30-40s to start. =\

If you have experience in IT you'd probably make so much more working in that field.

[andrew2good4u]

yah thats the toss up.

I have a long time before I graduate but teaching is something I could really see myself doing. I love working with youth (from previous jobs i've done) and i kind of want to coach basketball too.

The problem is i'd be giving up alot of potential money.

Ah well, if my master plan works, ill be able to become a teacher and have money

[HammerRFDer]

Demand is certainly higher for math/computer teachers, but there still seems to be a surplus of such teachers.

I'd say demand is probably highest for shop teachers (auto, construction, electrical, etc), but that's just my opinion.

Did you go to college? Some programs (Queen's does I think, I know UofT did at some point) accept students that did their college diploma into a technical education program where you get your B.Ed.

[andrew2good4u]

Im currently at UW in the computer science co-op program.
Just finished 2A

Im just looking around to get general information. Trying to think ahead a bit before graduation.

Hopefully, i should be able to land a job at an innovative entrepreneurial firm, given I don't create one myself by the time I graduate

[jadoocian]

ok, to get into UofT teachers college you need alot of volunteer hours I believe, 100 I think.

Is this the same for all teachers' colleges? Is there other places I can apply right after I get my undergrad without so much volunteer experience and/or insanely high gpa (2.7)? (graduating from comp sci this year at UofT)

[mystical2003]

Its not like you wont find a job. Im sure you will eventually find one (might not be in your desired area) if you try hard enough.
Places like Vaughn, richmond hill, and mississauga are growing. So they always need more teachers.

Another thing is... teaching is a job you do for the love of it.
Your only going to get 30-40s to start. =\

If you have experience in IT you'd probably make so much more working in that field.

Teachers pay is much better then this. Supply to start it slightly over $200 per day. When you get a full time position you will start at low 40's. In 10 years if you follow through with all your courses you will be at low 80's. Benefits and time off are amazing.

But right now it is not reccommended. Their is excess supply in most boards. The easiest positions to find are music and French.

[andrew2good4u]

Teachers pay is much better then this. Supply to start it slightly over $200 per day. When you get a full time position you will start at low 40's. In 10 years if you follow through with all your courses you will be at low 80's. Benefits and time off are amazing.

But right now it is not reccommended. Their is excess supply in most boards. The easiest positions to find are music and French.

Lol nice i'm bilingual too

[djnorm112]

i have a number of friends teaching high school and or in teachers college.

From what they say...there is no longer a shortage of teacher. Starting pay is in 40s low to mid. French indeed is in demand. Male elementary school teachers may be in demand as not common. Max pay is in the 100K range when you reach principal. There is not a huge pay difference even if you end up being head of a department. Pension is good i think.

Did you know high school students now practice lock down?! Times have changed....

[jandumm]

Just thought i'd add my two cents and clear up some facts (My husband's in teacher's college in Buffalo - finishing up in May, thus we're going through this now)

Unfortunately there is a teacher surplus right now - as quoted from the Ontario Teacher Federation Newsletter from August 2007 - another article was released in the Toronto Star in November 2007:

"The job market for new graduates is all but completely saturated, with the exception of the high need areas of secondary Math, Science, Technological Studies, and in French (First and Second languages) at all grade levels.
Graduates say that they were finding it difficult to secure full-time positions immediately after graduation, and that many of those who found employment, were first being hired into occasional teaching positions."

The Ontario College of Teachers confirmed this to us last week with the following - 1 out of 5 new graduates get jobs in their first year, 1 out of 2 have jobs after year 2.

Admission to Ontario schools is fairly competitive - you do need a lot of volunteer experience - especially working with children - e.g. a school, coaching, etc. You can go to Buffalo to a number of universities that are accredited by the Ontario College of Teachers - and you do your practicum in Ontario. It is easier to get in, but it is way more expensive - about 3 times the cost i'd say (so around $20,000). Some US schools do offer classes in the GTA, while others require you to attend classes in Buffalo 2 days a week.

The beginning pay is around 35-42,000 but varies by School board (I've heard York Region is one of the highest). Once you are registered with the Ontario College of Teachers, you can take courses called AQ (Additional Qualifications) - these courses + work experience is what you use to advance across your pay. Teachers typically max out around $85,000 - unless you go into administration.

What I'd recommend for someone looking into going into secondary school teaching, is to have the requirements for the teachable subjects. That is make sure you have a sufficient number of courses in a subject in order to teach it. I know for York, you require at least six full-year courses in the first teaching subject you want, and at least three full year couses in the second teaching subject you require, and you need a minimum B average for those courses - unfortunately "knowing" French does not make one qualified to teach it. You'll need to have the university coursework behind it - or do the "AQ" later.

So for those of you with Comp Sci, that's fine as a first teachable. But you will have to have a second with at least 6 half courses out of one of the other "teachable" subjects. It sounds easy because everyone thinks "Math" right away - but not all schools accept "Comp Sci" math. I've heard of similar issues with Engineering courses where the course code begins with ENG instead of MATH (of PHYS or CHEM) but don't get accepted.

[maniacshopper]

Its not like you wont find a job. Im sure you will eventually find one (might not be in your desired area) if you try hard enough.
Places like Vaughn, richmond hill, and mississauga are growing. So they always need more teachers.

Another thing is... teaching is a job you do for the love of it.
Your only going to get 30-40s to start. =\

If you have experience in IT you'd probably make so much more working in that field.

for 30-40k its not that bad, you get 3 months vacation every year, in addition to the PA days.

The teachers pension plan is good, OTPP. Not sure if they have access to OMERS, since you basically are a civil servant.

[coolspot]

yah thats the toss up.

I have a long time before I graduate but teaching is something I could really see myself doing. I love working with youth (from previous jobs i've done) and i kind of want to coach basketball too.

How about you get a regular IT job ... and teach night courses at a local community college? You'll make good money and also teach on the side!

[andrew2good4u]

How about you get a regular IT job ... and teach night courses at a local community college? You'll make good money and also teach on the side!

That's not too bad of an idea but my main arguments with that would be.

1. I really love interacting with highschool aged youth
2. That would have to take up my free time (unless its once or twice a week) and I quality of life is VERY important to me. Theres many other things that interest me. (sports, entrepreneurship, etc)

Maybe I'll try to get a sweet IT job for the Toronto Raptors. LOL