Corvette ZR-1 unveiled!

[RTC]

6.2L supercharged V8
620hp @ 6500rpm
595 lb-ft tq at 4000rpm
15.5" front /15" rear carbon-ceramic rotors
Lots of carbon fibre.

This thing is a beast!

Not sure about the engine "window" though...

http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-corvette-zr1.html

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-38.jpg

[2k4accord]

engine window to reduce engine overheating?

it does looks nice but i bet it drinks gas like crazy.

[Engi-Nir]

The corvette looks sick...well, I can't afford this nor the blue devil (500hps), sadly :mad:

[RTC]

engine window to reduce engine overheating?

it does looks nice but i bet it drinks gas like crazy.

I think the window is just for showing off the motor... kinda like how Ferrari does it, or even the Audi R8, through the rear glass.

I think most performance oriented cars will tend to use more gas, as fuel economy is not the top priority when designing them... but, look at the current vette fuel economy numbers:

C6: 12.9 city / 7.7 hwy / 10.6 combined (L/100km)
C6 Z06: 14.2 city / 8.5 hwy / 11.5 combined (L/100km)

That's not too bad for the performance you get, especially the highway #'s

..I can't afford this nor the blue devil (500hps)

This is the rumoured "Blue-Devil"... it just has more power then some people thought. The current Z06 already has 505hp aswell.

[Gamester2K]

it has a lot of hp, but can it make turns?


;)

[B0000rt]

it has a lot of hp, but can it make turns?


;)

Sure it can, check the Z06 Nurburing times.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Ha, the brake rotors are bigger than my wheels.

My next car will have a big skull embossed on the air intake.

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-11.jpg

[Engi-Nir]

yeah I was confused with the blue devil, Ithought it was the blue devil but it was initially sitting at 500horses+, than 600horses...then it was to be called SS...then now I see ZR-1 with 620 horses...the price tag is nice at 100k

[B0000rt]

Ha, the brake rotors are bigger than my wheels.

My next car will have a big skull embossed on the air intake.

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-11.jpg

Looks like it's from the Bay Boy guys who did the LeMans Z06-R livery.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/bbvettes1.jpg

[RTC]

My next car will have a big skull embossed on the air intake.

I believe that skull with "crossed flag" eyes is actually the new Corvette Racing Program logo...

[corrupt123]

Very nice. Good to see some american companies actually tuning their engines to get power, rather then just bumping up the displacement some more. 100horse/liter is good stuff.

+1 to GM as well. They said they were going to get their **** together, and in general, they really have as of late.

[Jucius Maximus]

Is this for the racetrack only?

How would you drive up and down steep hills or go over speed bumps in this car with its super-low clearance?

[B0000rt]

Very nice. Good to see some american companies actually tuning their engines to get power, rather then just bumping up the displacement some more. 100horse/liter is good stuff.

+1 to GM as well. They said they were going to get their **** together, and in general, they really have as of late.

Aura, Astra, Enclave and all it's Lambda cousins, CTS, C6, Malibu; for sure.

G8, Volt in the pipe..

I think it all started with the GTO 'experiment'.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Only 10 posts for some dolt to start on about "hp/displacement"! :lol:

The racecar in the photo will be for the racetrack only, yes. The ZR-1, no.

[RTC]

Is this for the racetrack only?

How would you drive up and down steep hills or go over speed bumps in this car with its super-low clearance?

Nope, it is street legal!

It will tackle steep hills and speedpumps the same way exotics like Ferrari & Lamborghini with their super low clearnace do... with difficulty! :)

G8, Volt in the pipe..

The G8 was at Importfest a few weeks ago... that is one sweet sedan. I actually hope the wagon version makes it here though... something to replace the Magnum when it's gone (except hopefully with a manual!)

[Jucius Maximus]

It will tackle steep hills and speedpumps the same way exotics like Ferrari & Lamborghini with their super low clearnace do... with difficulty! :)

Lol, anyone who drives these cars would never be able to visit the Mississauga T&T grocery or park in my condo garage!

[TenzoR]

mmm this engine and CTS :)

[B0000rt]

Only 10 posts for some dolt to start on about "hp/displacement"! :lol:

The racecar in the photo will be for the racetrack only, yes. The ZR-1, no.

Better than someone mentioning that handling sucks because of leaf springs.. :mad:

[hyperion]

I've been a fan of the vette since I was a kid, and this one makes me hot all over. :)

[corrupt123]

Only 10 posts for some dolt to start on about "hp/displacement"! :lol:

The racecar in the photo will be for the racetrack only, yes. The ZR-1, no.

How the hell does that make me a dolt? Explain yourself.

[Flyer]

Better than someone mentioning that handling sucks because of leaf springs.. :mad:
Handling sucks because of leaf springs.

Feel better now that I restored balance to the universe? :P

[d182]

Lol, anyone who drives these cars would never be able to visit the Mississauga T&T grocery or park in my condo garage!

you park at the other side by second cup where there are no cars :cheesygri

[onecoolloser]

Lol, anyone who drives these cars would never be able to visit the Mississauga T&T grocery or park in my condo garage!

I doubt anyone owning this car will be parking in your condo garage :P

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

How the hell does that make me a dolt? Explain yourself.


Do a search. It's been explained at least 5 times on this forum already.

[corrupt123]

Do a search. It's been explained at least 5 times on this forum already.

Real classy, call someone an idiot but lack the effort to back it up. HERE (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8836333) are the search results, feel free to sift through them and show me whatever the point is you were trying to make.

The point I was trying to make was that it seems to have long been a habit of U.S. car manufacterers to simply bump up displacement to increase power, rather then tuning their engines to preform better. I support my case:
The Cadillac Sixteen Concept: produces ~1000hp and displaces 13.6 liters.
The Dodge Viper: Displaces 8.4 liters, produces ~600hp

Two basic examples, I'm sure I could find more with a little effort. So yeah, I stand by the fact that getting better hp/displacement is a good thing. I'm not saying we should drop displacment and up horsepower (which is probably what you assumed... no, I'm not a honda fanboy), but I do think it's a good thing to get the maximum (or at least, a more reasonable) amount of power from an engine with massive displacement.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Explaining the same thing over and over and over just isn't enough fun the the amount of money you're paying me. If I wanted to do that I'd get married and have some kids. You can believe whatever you want.

[VivienM]

The point I was trying to make was that it seems to have long been a habit of U.S. car manufacterers to simply bump up displacement to increase power, rather then tuning their engines to preform better.

American automakers tend to tune their engines for TORQUE, especially in the low end.

Japanese engines with their low displacement traditionally have been torqueless... and it's worth noting that Japanese engines are going up in displacement. Nissan and Toyota have both upped their V6s from 3.0L to 3.5L, for example.

Peak horsepower is not the most useful measurement of what an engine can do.
e.g. compare a good ol' GM L36/L26 (3.8L, 200HP @ 5200RPM) with a Honda/Acura 2.4L (in the TSX) (2.4L, 205HP @ 7000RPM).

Peak torque: 230 lb-ft @ 4000RPM vs 164 lb-ft @ 4500RPM
Fuel economy (L/100km): 11.8 city/7.1 highway on regular gas vs 10.5 city/7.0 highway on premium gas
Weight: 1577 kg vs 1523 kg.
(Sorry, manufacturer web sites don't have acceleration numbers that I can easily find)

Note, too, that the Acura has one more gear in its auto tranny.

So, if you're a bargain-minded RFD person, it will actually cost you less to operate the 3.8L dinosaur engine compared to that 2.4L marvel of Honda engineering...

[hytong]

The engine is running at its most efficient state at peak torque RPM. Whether this peak torque RPM meets exactly (i.e. no more excess) the vehicle needs on the road to overcome any driveline friction, air resistence, realworld road incline, etc has to do with transmission gearing which also translate engine speed to road speed. Put it this way: any excess engine torque at any time is a waste but give you the reserve to accelerate to pass, go up an incline, etc.

[JayTee1]

Any cupholders?

I'll need @ least 2.

[S14_Raven]

6.2 litres S/C... take out the blower, and I say it would barely break 450hp

Not really a marvel of engineering... Maybe a step in the right direction, but I never can understand why American car mfgs don't do some decent R&D?

[astroboi]

What's the point of the window if all you see is a plastic engine cover?

[glaswegian]

At the end of the day, it's still an American piece of junk, give me European anyday. You won't see James Bond is one of those, as it's not associated with CLASS!

[VivienM]

6.2 litres S/C... take out the blower, and I say it would barely break 450hp

Not really a marvel of engineering... Maybe a step in the right direction, but I never can understand why American car mfgs don't do some decent R&D?

And I never can understand why import car fans think peak horsepower per litre is the ONLY measure of good engineering.

[Slippery_Pete]

At the end of the day, it's still an American piece of junk, give me European anyday. You won't see James Bond is one of those, as it's not associated with CLASS!

You can have your Euro Yugo.

[frogger]

Should easily outperform a Mercedes SLR (similar power but much lighter)

[corrupt123]

American automakers tend to tune their engines for TORQUE, especially in the low end.

Japanese engines with their low displacement traditionally have been torqueless... and it's worth noting that Japanese engines are going up in displacement. Nissan and Toyota have both upped their V6s from 3.0L to 3.5L, for example.

Peak horsepower is not the most useful measurement of what an engine can do.
e.g. compare a good ol' GM L36/L26 (3.8L, 200HP @ 5200RPM) with a Honda/Acura 2.4L (in the TSX) (2.4L, 205HP @ 7000RPM).

Peak torque: 230 lb-ft @ 4000RPM vs 164 lb-ft @ 4500RPM
Fuel economy (L/100km): 11.8 city/7.1 highway on regular gas vs 10.5 city/7.0 highway on premium gas
Weight: 1577 kg vs 1523 kg.
(Sorry, manufacturer web sites don't have acceleration numbers that I can easily find)

Note, too, that the Acura has one more gear in its auto tranny.

So, if you're a bargain-minded RFD person, it will actually cost you less to operate the 3.8L dinosaur engine compared to that 2.4L marvel of Honda engineering...

Still not getting it. The point I was trying to make (or perhaps, didn't convey properly) was that it's long been a habit of the U.S. manufacterers not to get the maximum potential out of their engines. That is to say, pound for pound (or more literally, CC for CC) the japanese (and arguably the germans) have been pushing the envilope in terms of preformance. I know the U.S. market prefers torquey cars, and I know that it's possible to get better mileage on a bigger engine. I also know the old adage: "theres no replacement for displacement" and dont contest that to any degree. I just think that american engines (more so the racing engines, not so much an econobox) could be better.

[Slippery_Pete]

Still not getting it. The point I was trying to make (or perhaps, didn't convey properly) was that it's long been a habit of the U.S. manufacterers not to get the maximum potential out of their engines. That is to say, pound for pound (or more literally, CC for CC) the japanese (and arguably the germans) have been pushing the envilope in terms of preformance. I know the U.S. market prefers torquey cars, and I know that it's possible to get better mileage on a bigger engine. I also know the old adage: "theres no replacement for displacement" and dont contest that to any degree. I just think that american engines (more so the racing engines, not so much an econobox) could be better.

I agree with what you are saying. Its wrong to say that engine A has greater hp/litre than engine B therefore its better. But I see nothing wrong with obtaining more hp/litre from technology. Just saying we'll add more displacement for more power is wrong as well. And GM is proving they aren't going that route with this beast.

[glaswegian]

I was thinking more along the lines of an Aston Martin.....you won't see nascar jacket wearing, mullet growing, running shoes wearing folks driving that:!:


You can have your Euro Yugo.

[VivienM]

Still not getting it. The point I was trying to make (or perhaps, didn't convey properly) was that it's long been a habit of the U.S. manufacterers not to get the maximum potential out of their engines. That is to say, pound for pound (or more literally, CC for CC) the japanese (and arguably the germans) have been pushing the envilope in terms of preformance. I know the U.S. market prefers torquey cars, and I know that it's possible to get better mileage on a bigger engine. I also know the old adage: "theres no replacement for displacement" and dont contest that to any degree. I just think that american engines (more so the racing engines, not so much an econobox) could be better.

But you're assuming that "maximum potential" means highest possible peak HP, at any cost.

The Japanese are pushing the envelope in terms of high-revving torquelessness on some of their models. On others, they're INCREASING displacement. Have you noticed how a midsized Japanese V6 car has gone from 3.0L to 3.5L? How Infiniti is now going to 3.7L instead of 3.5L? Etc.

In any case, I'd like to see your amazingly engineered Honda S2000 (~120HP/L on the older ones baby! and NO cheating with forced induction, either, just good SOLID Japanese V-TEC and Honda engineering) racing this fine beast of an American car. Maybe your embarrassing loss would teach you a lesson about the perils of Honda worship.

Hell, I would guess even the naturally aspirated 6.2L Corvette would make an S2000 look wimpy...

[frogger]

American automakers tend to tune their engines for TORQUE, especially in the low end.

Japanese engines with their low displacement traditionally have been torqueless... and it's worth noting that Japanese engines are going up in displacement. Nissan and Toyota have both upped their V6s from 3.0L to 3.5L, for example.

Peak horsepower is not the most useful measurement of what an engine can do.
e.g. compare a good ol' GM L36/L26 (3.8L, 200HP @ 5200RPM) with a Honda/Acura 2.4L (in the TSX) (2.4L, 205HP @ 7000RPM).

Peak torque: 230 lb-ft @ 4000RPM vs 164 lb-ft @ 4500RPM
Fuel economy (L/100km): 11.8 city/7.1 highway on regular gas vs 10.5 city/7.0 highway on premium gas
Weight: 1577 kg vs 1523 kg.
(Sorry, manufacturer web sites don't have acceleration numbers that I can easily find)

Note, too, that the Acura has one more gear in its auto tranny.

So, if you're a bargain-minded RFD person, it will actually cost you less to operate the 3.8L dinosaur engine compared to that 2.4L marvel of Honda engineering...

In defense of the TSX 4 banger, its in a car thats designed to be a tossable FWD sedan. Otherwise Honda would have just put their 3.0L engine in the vechile. No W-body could be described as tossable with all that weight in the front end.

[frogger]

Still not getting it. The point I was trying to make (or perhaps, didn't convey properly) was that it's long been a habit of the U.S. manufacterers not to get the maximum potential out of their engines. That is to say, pound for pound (or more literally, CC for CC) the japanese (and arguably the germans) have been pushing the envilope in terms of preformance. I know the U.S. market prefers torquey cars, and I know that it's possible to get better mileage on a bigger engine. I also know the old adage: "theres no replacement for displacement" and dont contest that to any degree. I just think that american engines (more so the racing engines, not so much an econobox) could be better.

Hmmm what about the Sky Redline/Cobalt SS/Solstice GXP 2.0L engine?

[VivienM]

In defense of the TSX 4 banger, its in a car thats designed to be a tossable FWD sedan. Otherwise Honda would have just put their 3.0L engine in the vechile. No W-body could be described as tossable with all that weight in the front end.

It's also a rebadged European Accord. Engine bay may not have room for a 6...

[corrupt123]

But you're assuming that "maximum potential" means highest possible peak HP, at any cost.

The Japanese are pushing the envelope in terms of high-revving torquelessness on some of their models. On others, they're INCREASING displacement. Have you noticed how a midsized Japanese V6 car has gone from 3.0L to 3.5L? How Infiniti is now going to 3.7L instead of 3.5L? Etc.

In any case, I'd like to see your amazingly engineered Honda S2000 (~120HP/L on the older ones baby! and NO cheating with forced induction, either, just good SOLID Japanese V-TEC and Honda engineering) racing this fine beast of an American car. Maybe your embarrassing loss would teach you a lesson about the perils of Honda worship.

Hell, I would guess even the naturally aspirated 6.2L Corvette would make an S2000 look wimpy...

You're putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that the displacement-less honda engines are better or would win? Where did I say that "maximum potential" is highest possible HP at any cost? I didn't! You're putting words in my mouth, calling me a honda-fanboy, and making rediculous comparisons.

First, an S2000 would DEFINITLY lose against a 'vette, especially one producing 600 horse from 6+ liters. I dont know where the hell you're getting the idea that I think, said, or endorse that it'd win. Furthermore, saying "NO cheating with forced induction, either, just good SOLID Japanese V-TEC and Honda engineering" is ludicrous. Should we go back to carb's while we're at it? Advances in technology are fair game. Any company can put money into R&D and benefit from it, saying it's an unfair advantage is ********.

What I DID say was that the U.S. engines have for a while now seriously lacked in producing copious amounts of power (that's HP and torque...) considering the size of their engines. Hell, look on page two. You said yourself:

Peak horsepower is not the most useful measurement of what an engine can do.
e.g. compare a good ol' GM L36/L26 (3.8L, 200HP @ 5200RPM) with a Honda/Acura 2.4L (in the TSX) (2.4L, 205HP @ 7000RPM).

Peak torque: 230 lb-ft @ 4000RPM vs 164 lb-ft @ 4500RPM
Fuel economy (L/100km): 11.8 city/7.1 highway on regular gas vs 10.5 city/7.0 highway on premium gas
Weight: 1577 kg vs 1523 kg.
(Sorry, manufacturer web sites don't have acceleration numbers that I can easily find)

Okay, so the GM is producing 200HP/230lb-ft @ 3.8L. Now, lets use the point I've been trying to get across for 3 pages and compare that to a similarely sized japanese engine. Hey, you mentioned the Infinity 3.7L... Perfect!

Produces (officially) ~ 330HP/270lb-ft @ 3.7L

So, the japanese have used black magic to produce an extra 130+ horsepower and 40+ lb-ft from an engine thats actually slightly smaller then the GM engine! Blasphemy!
I'd also like to point out that the infinity numbers arent finalized, and some dyno tests have put as much as ~365HP at the flywheel. Not to mention, torque is flat from 2000-5000 rpm, unlike the GM engine which as you can see (based on your own info) loses almost 30% of it's torque from only 4000-4500 RPM. (The 3.7L infinity produces 87% of it's torque at redline, so even at it's maximum, it's losses in terms of torque are less than the GM's - relatively speaking)


Hmmm what about the Sky Redline/Cobalt SS/Solstice GXP 2.0L engine?

Great example! These cars have a great engine that produces a good amount of power given it's size. See what american companies can (and are) doing now that the competition is heating up? (Which is what I said in my first post....)

[Slippery_Pete]

I was thinking more along the lines of an Aston Martin.....you won't see nascar jacket wearing, mullet growing, running shoes wearing folks driving that:!:

I probably wouldn't see you driving one either, so what's your point? By the way, what happened to the British car industry? Oh ya it went into the toilet because it produced so much CRAP it would make an elephant with diarrhea look constipated. Get off your high horse Gieves. British cars suck, and more than enough Euro cars suck. Oh and by the way now days an Aston Martin is as British as Chow Mein.

[Shojin]

hot deal! ordered 1!

thanx OP!

:cheesygri

[seekay]

In any case, I'd like to see your amazingly engineered Honda S2000 (~120HP/L on the older ones baby! and NO cheating with forced induction, either, just good SOLID Japanese V-TEC and Honda engineering) racing this fine beast of an American car. Maybe your embarrassing loss would teach you a lesson about the perils of Honda worship.

Hell, I would guess even the naturally aspirated 6.2L Corvette would make an S2000 look wimpy...

i'm just going to throw this out there, pretty much adding fuel to the fire so to say...but how abouts the Vette and the Acura NSX-R? or the regular NSX? i really just want to see what the you think...

vette looks unbelievable...i've never been a fan until this generation...

[glaswegian]

Gieves?.....Did you actually write all that with a straight face? American cars are rubbish and anyone with a half a brain knows that! So you like American cars, why not just move over there?

The corvette is as slippery as you Pete. The british car industry is alive and kicking, so is our airline business, just look at the new double decker plane mate.

Again....James Bond ( king of cool ), won't be seen dead in a corvette. The car is as dumb as George Bush, unless you like G Bush of course



I probably wouldn't see you driving one either, so what's your point? By the way, what happened to the British car industry? Oh ya it went into the toilet because it produced so much CRAP it would make an elephant with diarrhea look constipated. Get off your high horse Gieves. British cars suck, and more than enough Euro cars suck. Oh and by the way now days an Aston Martin is as British as Chow Mein.

[new_vr]

Again....James Bond ( king of cool ), won't be seen dead in a corvette. The car is as dumb as George Bush, unless you like G Bush of course
Don't forget, bond drove a mustang in Thunderball...and most people would say a vette is cooler then a mustang.
Should be an amazing car. I am sure there are more technologically innovative engines out there, to squeeze every hp/L out of them, but to me it doesn't matter. I am sure it will be fast, and that's what really counts

[weedb0y]

Don't forget, bond drove a mustang in Thunderball...and most people would say a vette is cooler then a mustang.
Should be an amazing car. I am sure there are more technologically innovative engines out there, to squeeze every hp/L out of them, but to me it doesn't matter. I am sure it will be fast, and that's what really counts

specially at the point point it is sold at!

[frogger]

I was thinking more along the lines of an Aston Martin.....you won't see nascar jacket wearing, mullet growing, running shoes wearing folks driving that:!:

Nope and you won't see people who prefer sports cars driving them either.

Ford built the UK auto industry and Aston Martin from ruins.

[Slippery_Pete]

Gieves?.....Did you actually write all that with a straight face? American cars are rubbish and anyone with a half a brain knows that! So you like American cars, why not just move over there?

The corvette is as slippery as you Pete. The british car industry is alive and kicking, so is our airline business, just look at the new double decker plane mate.

Again....James Bond ( king of cool ), won't be seen dead in a corvette. The car is as dumb as George Bush, unless you like G Bush of course

No, actually I had a smirk on my face when I wrote it, Gieves. The British car industry took a dump in the 70s and has never recovered without the help of foreign industry, FoMoCo being a major player in that (ahem Aston Martin, Jaguar). Even Airbus is barely British. It would be nowhere without the Germans and the French. And oh ya, incase you didn't know this, James Bond is a FICTIONAL character.

Oh and you should get a kick out of this one....Why do the British drink their beer warm? Lucas Refridgerators. :cheesygri

There's alot of things I like that are British, however British industry is not one of them. And I never said I love American cars, I just love this American car. This Corvette rocks, plain and simple. If you want to barf on American cars go barf on a Chrysler Sebring, I'll be standing right next to you doing the same thing.

I really wonder how some people manage to get their noses so high up in the air, when their head is stuck so far up their @$$. :confused:

[RTC]

... And oh ya, incase you didn't know this, James Bond is a FICTIONAL character.

Not only that... but companies PAY to have this fictional character drive certain cars. It really doesn't matter what "James Bond" thinks of the car :)

I was thinking more along the lines of an Aston Martin.....you won't see nascar jacket wearing, mullet growing, running shoes wearing folks driving that

It's best not to decide if a car is good or bad by looking at the other people that you think drive it.

[B0000rt]

Hmmm what about the Sky Redline/Cobalt SS/Solstice GXP 2.0L engine?

No doubt, that direct injection little turbo engine is something crazy. Should've definately been on Ward's 10 list. 260/260! :D

[B0000rt]

Not only that... but companies PAY to have this fictional character drive certain cars. It really doesn't matter what "James Bond" thinks of the car :)
No doubt, but if you guys hadn't noticed, James Bond, 007 drove a Ford Mondeo too!

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/bond_21_ford_mondeo.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21

[RTC]

No doubt, but if you guys hadn't noticed, James Bond, 007 drove a Ford Mondeo too!

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/bond_21_ford_mondeo.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21

I completely forgot about that...

Well now that Aston is with Prodrive, hopefully 007 won't be pushing a Taurus in the next film :)

[Engi-Nir]

damn, this beast with its V8 620hp actually gets 24 mpg on highway.... for some reason I thought it was going to kill gas.