Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles **DVD MOVIE** Sept. 22, 2009 (Thread)

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Update:

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronciles has joined many a beloved genre property in the halls of TV Sci-Fi Valhalla, but could it return in some other form? According to TheTVAddict.com and ex-John Connor Thomas Dekker, the show might return as a direct-to-DVD movie following up to the show’s cliffhanger finale.

Granted, rumors of alternate-medium resurrections for canceled genre shows are like human skulls after Judgment Day – you can’t take a step without tripping over one. Then again, it’s not entirely unprecedented, what with the BSG folks filling the waiting time before Caprica with the upcoming direct-to-DVD Battlestar Galactica: The Plan. And I have it on good authority that both Buffy and Angel are living out fulfilling lives in two-dimensions on the comic-book page. But for every post-TV success story there’s a rumored Carnivale comic book some of us have been waiting on for years.

What do you think? Does Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles deserve a second chance on DVD? Or, after the series and this year’s Terminator Salvation, does the franchise need a nice, long hibernation? Either way, if Dekker’s wishful thinking proves reliable, I’m betting there are some die-hard Sarah Connor fans out there who absolutely will not stop – ever – until you buy it.
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Sarah-Connor-Chronicles-Returning-As-Direct-To-DVD-Film-19587.html




TV show on Fox. Starts in January 2008

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Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/v/rMmxmTwk7uE

[silentio]

The full episode has been downloadable for many months now.

[SAN66]

Saw the pilot, it was kinda meh. The only saving grace is Summer Glau.

[skyblue12]

Saw the pilot, it was kinda meh. The only saving grace is Summer Glau.

you answered my question before i was even able to post it :lol:

[rabbit]

Yeah, I wasn't a Summer Glau fan when I first saw her in Firefly, but she's grown on me.

[silentio]

I thought she looked part asian - turns out she is half german and half scot.

[neilson]

So what's the gist of the series? We all know by Terminator 3, Sarah's dead. So is this just what happened between T2 and when she died?

[rabbit]

It's the years in-between, when she's raising her teenaged son.

[neilson]

It's the years in-between, when she's raising her teenaged son.

So at the most, it's gonna last 3-4 years right? I mean, Cameron planned it out that way if that's the case.

[rabbit]

One year in real time doesn't mean it has to be one year in TV time.

[Ryan]

So the first episode just aired. What did everyone think?

The effects were a little weak, but I'll check out at least a couple of episodes.

[markj]

i thought it was ok ill probably check out a few more episodes but i dont think it will get me 'hooked' like lost/the shield/etc

[TechRock]

it was okay....need more guns

[Sohjonn]

It's the years in-between, when she's raising her teenaged son.

what's the point, from T3 we knew judgement day was ineveitable, why couldn't it be set in the future with the human resistance and robots duelling it out.

watching it right now; not the same w/o Arnold.

[urameatball]

didn't like it much, though the hot girl robot kept me from turning off the TV.

[Hodge]

didn't like it much, though the hot girl robot kept me from turning off the TV.

same here... :)

[mself084]

same here... :)

ditto :D

it was ok... interested to see where it goes. Makes me look forward to T4, which will actually be set in the future, and therefore kick ass.

[gman]

The skynet send the terminator to change the history in order to change the future.

The future John send his dad to keep his mom alive and born him to keep the history which probably was not a good strategy but a reasonable counter measure to deal with the 1st terminator. Then, he send the terminator to save his mother again. Then, again, to save his kid self. It implies every time he send somebody back, the future John gets new information to improve the next iteration because the young version of himself learned more (or less if certain history is destroyed in the process).

It means even though there was a judgement day, it does not mean it can't be changed. It was just they did not change the history enough. For example, the future knows Miles did not invent Skynet anymore and they don't know who did until the teenager John figures out in this TV series.

[silentio]

ditto :D

it was ok... interested to see where it goes. Makes me look forward to T4, which will actually be set in the future, and therefore kick ass.


Are they coming out with a t4 movie?

[bembol]

Another "Summer Glau was one of the reasons why I tuned-in" here. LOL

It's alright and will follow it. Then again, it's not like there anything on with the WGA strike. :(

[mself084]

Are they coming out with a t4 movie?

Yup. Lots of pre-production rumours, and I don't think it's moving along at all right now with the strike... imdb.com has a release date of 2009, but it will likely be 2010.

The only thing they've really said about it (i think) is that it occurs in the future when john connor gets humans together to fight the robots. sounds kinda cool :)

Back to the TV show: anyone else think Arnold should do a cameo? That'd be awesome...even if he was just a guy working at a convenience store, and has a funny one liner.

[Arcum]

Well it takes place in 2007 in California I think, so they could show a TV showing a Governor Schwarzenegger speech or something :cheesygri

That'd be funny

[VIKKO]

watched part of it..

hot girl

bad acting imo

[gman]

Well it takes place in 2007 in California I think, so they could show a TV showing a Governor Schwarzenegger speech or something :cheesygri

That'd be funny

Actually, it will turn out Arnold becomes the founder of the Skynet. That's why they use his face to make the robot in the future. ;)

[felix]

Just saw it. I liked it! When I first heard of this I was disappointed Thomas Dekker left Heroes for a new show. But I think he plays a good John Connor (he does look like Eddie Furlong with that hair).

I guess this series will explain what happens to Sarah Connor and why she wasn't in T3 (did she die?).

[silentio]

EP2 is out..

I think the lady who plays the robot looks weird. The sarah connor actress is quite attractive

[pennysaver]

EP2 is out..

I think the lady who plays the robot looks weird. The sarah connor actress is quite attractive

Agreed. Here I thought I was the only one to think that :)

[tanmanwayne]

The skynet send the terminator to change the history in order to change the future.

The future John send his dad to keep his mom alive and born him to keep the history which probably was not a good strategy but a reasonable counter measure to deal with the 1st terminator. Then, he send the terminator to save his mother again. Then, again, to save his kid self. It implies every time he send somebody back, the future John gets new information to improve the next iteration because the young version of himself learned more (or less if certain history is destroyed in the process).

It means even though there was a judgement day, it does not mean it can't be changed. It was just they did not change the history enough. For example, the future knows Miles did not invent Skynet anymore and they don't know who did until the teenager John figures out in this TV series.

Well, I guess with this post the are definitely utilizing the plot device that the future is not set in stone, and is subject to change. Since Sarah was supposed to have died of cancer, and was brought to the future after the period of her reported death, this could become a very interesting show.

Is it just me, or does Summer seem to like roles where she can play 'odd' roles. Not just the traditional stereotypical helpless young female? (stretch) Always something hidden or unknown.

Oh well...can't wait till next Monday!

Cheers!
Tano

[tanmanwayne]

Well it takes place in 2007 in California I think, so they could show a TV showing a Governor Schwarzenegger speech or something :cheesygri

That'd be funny

I just read this...it would be funny, but I'm not sure if Arnold is allowed to be an 'Actor' while officially being instated as Governor.

But there is nothing to stop him from doing a cameo when (if ever) his terms end.

Can anyone confirm? As much as it would be humorous to see him in a convenience store or something!

Cheers!
Tano

[flyman]

Agreed. Here I thought I was the only one to think that :)

She looks familiar. Was she ever in a well known movie or tv show?

Is it just me, or does Summer seem to like roles where she can play 'odd' roles. Not just the traditional stereotypical helpless young female? (stretch) Always something hidden or unknown.

She's been typecasted ... haha


I'm looking forward to future episodes. I think this series has a lot of potential. Prison Break is kinda crappy imo and 24 is delayed so there really isn't any other action show on Fox worth watching.

[gerbil]

She looks familiar. Was she ever in a well known movie or tv show?


she's the same girl as the wife of that dude in 300.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372176/

[boonjaca]

EP2 is out..

I think the lady who plays the robot looks weird. The sarah connor actress is quite attractive

While watching the show, I kept on asking myself where I saw the actress that plays Sarah Connor and when I googled it, she's Lena Headey who played the queen in 300.

[flyman]

she's the same girl as the wife of that dude in 300.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372176/

I knew I've seen her before from somewhere!! Thanks! I was too lazy to google her name :P

[flyman]

she's the same girl as the wife of that dude in 300.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372176/

From her imdb photos, she kind of looks like an older version of Keira Nightly.

[Spidey]

Was ok. Effects could of been better for sure. Having one of those terminator heads would be cool

[gerbil]

Was ok. Effects could of been better for sure. Having one of those terminator heads would be cool

it's already out? when did they aired it?
been busy .. didn't had time to check out any tv shows lately.

[felix]

it's already out? when did they aired it?
been busy .. didn't had time to check out any tv shows lately.
It's out on torrents. There is an HDTV version too (.mkv file).

[silentio]

Explains why I thought she is hot.

[Madchester]

I just read this...it would be funny, but I'm not sure if Arnold is allowed to be an 'Actor' while officially being instated as Governor.


Not in the US perhaps, but a year or two ago he went to Japan to promote trade opportunities with California. I believe he spent a day or two shooting Japanese commercials again. Look up "Arnold" and "japan" on Youtube to see some of his "best" work.

[tkl]

what's the point, from T3 we knew judgement day was ineveitable, why couldn't it be set in the future with the human resistance and robots duelling it out.

watching it right now; not the same w/o Arnold.

Agreed.

I still enjoyed it but I was thinking the same thing as I watched it. Looked good in HD-Fox.

Plus if you had a time machine, just flip in between times, nobody will find you then.

[manixc]

I've enjoyed this show so far.

[silentio]

Enjoy it for a few more episodes, because:

March 3: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles two-hour season finale at 8 p.m. ET/PT

[gman]

I just read this...it would be funny, but I'm not sure if Arnold is allowed to be an 'Actor' while officially being instated as Governor.

But there is nothing to stop him from doing a cameo when (if ever) his terms end.

Can anyone confirm? As much as it would be humorous to see him in a convenience store or something!

Cheers!
Tano

Not in the US perhaps, but a year or two ago he went to Japan to promote trade opportunities with California. I believe he spent a day or two shooting Japanese commercials again. Look up "Arnold" and "japan" on Youtube to see some of his "best" work.

If McCain as a Senator could appear in 24, I don't see why Arnold as a governor can't appear in this TV show.

[silentio]

He doesnt have the time or will to shape up. Perhaps if he appeared as a human guest..

[felix]

Enjoy it for a few more episodes, because:

March 3: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles two-hour season finale at 8 p.m. ET/PT
Why is it ending so soon?

[silentio]

strike

[Rometiklan]

Why is it ending so soon?

Traditionally, mid-season replacement shows only get half a season. And the strike didn't help either.

[Polaren]

It seems as though they are ignoring the events of T3, it gets kind of confusing with all the time travel.

I wonder what model Summer Glau is...kind of like something new? or a T-X variant like in T3.

[felix]

It seems as though they are ignoring the events of T3, it gets kind of confusing with all the time travel.

I wonder what model Summer Glau is...kind of like something new? or a T-X variant like in T3.
Well, this is suppose to be in between T2 and T3 right. i'm not sure if it contradicts T3 yet?

I was assuming she is similar to the terminator in T2, able to mimic another person's voice, but not completely morph into another person like in T3. I'm not sure about the timelines though, was she sent before or after the terminators in the movies?

[sixer]

Best new show in this past season, hands down.

[ChinpokoMon]

I was assuming she is similar to the terminator in T2, able to mimic another person's voice, but not completely morph into another person like in T3. I'm not sure about the timelines though, was she sent before or after the terminators in the movies?


It seems the future on the tv series takes place on a completely different timeline compared with the movies since the original judgment day had been averted. The future we saw in T2 started with judgment day in August 1997, with Miles Dyson and Cyberdyne behind the development of Skynet. The events in T2 changed that future, so whatever happened since then can't really be compared to what we saw in the movie (Cameron mentioned the new judgment day is in April 2011, and she didn't know who was behind Skynet).

Interestingly, when the male bot scanned Cameron, she was identified as an "unknown cyborg" or something to that effect, meaning she could be from a farther away future relative to the male bot, or maybe the human resistance constructed/modded a bot to be so different that he was unable to identify it.

[felix]

What was the judgement day in T3? And who was being Skynet then? Wasn't it the girl's father?

[gman]

Well, this is suppose to be in between T2 and T3 right. i'm not sure if it contradicts T3 yet?

I was assuming she is similar to the terminator in T2, able to mimic another person's voice, but not completely morph into another person like in T3. I'm not sure about the timelines though, was she sent before or after the terminators in the movies?

In the future time, this new rebot should be send after the 3rd terminator but this may not be exactly true (read on). The arriving day is between T2 and T3. Since they all jumped to 2007, they are now after T3. The judgement day of T3 is 2004. Since this world is still normal, what happened in T3 is gone in this time line.

The 3rd terminator killed future John in T3 before it was reprogrammed. It was his wife send the same terminator back. Assuming it was John sending the 4th robot back, that means T3 changed the future assuming the 4th robot is a later model. Since this new robot said Sarah died in cancer in 2005, something else is also changed from T3. In T3, Sarah should die in 1997.

What was the judgement day in T3? And who was being Skynet then? Wasn't it the girl's father?

It was in 2004. The internet was the skynet. There was no one central core. That was why John could not destroy it in end of T3. The girl's father was the one who turned it on.

[spike-spiegel]

This show has been pretty good so far.

What I don't get is why they would send back a terminator model similar to the TX in T1 rather than something like the obviously superior T-1000 from T2?

[baybeejay]

This show has been pretty good so far.

What I don't get is why they would send back a terminator model similar to the TX in T1 rather than something like the obviously superior T-1000 from T2?

i'm guessing it's because a superior t-1000 is far more difficult to capture and reprogram then a tx.

[ChinpokoMon]

What I don't get is why they would send back a terminator model similar to the TX in T1 rather than something like the obviously superior T-1000 from T2?

TX is the more advanced model from T3. The events in this TV series takes place in an alternate timeline so we can't expect the future to be the same as the one as in the movies. The special effects required for a frequently used T-1000 is probably too expensive on a TV budget.

[Polaren]

This show has been pretty good so far.

What I don't get is why they would send back a terminator model similar to the TX in T1 rather than something like the obviously superior T-1000 from T2?

Well in T1 we had Arnie as the T-100, In T2 it was T-100 vs T-1000 and in T3 it was T-100 vs T-X.

Summer Glau shows more like a T-X with the blue eyes and all. Yet is more emotional then all previous terminators, like she is part human or something. But I guess we will find out as the series continues. She is definitely superior to Arnie's old T-100 model.

[gman]

Well in T1 we had Arnie as the T-100, In T2 it was T-100 vs T-1000 and in T3 it was T-100 vs T-X.

Summer Glau shows more like a T-X with the blue eyes and all. Yet is more emotional then all previous terminators, like she is part human or something. But I guess we will find out as the series continues. She is definitely superior to Arnie's old T-100 model.

T-100, T-1000 and T-X are all built by skynet. Summer might be built by John's team based on T-100.

[Exist2Inspire]

Maybe she's a real-cyborg. Half-Human, Half Robot?

I mean she has a normal human feel/emotion to her, she can blend in almost perfectly with society, and even eat human food (but for what purpose is still unknown)

[007craft]

I was wondering why a teenage boy would not take some sort of sexual advantage of a smoking hot female robot who has to follow his orders but then they put that line in episode 2 that says she does not follow johns orderds "yet" :razz:

[gman]

I was wondering why a teenage boy would not take some sort of sexual advantage of a smoking hot female robot who has to follow his orders but then they put that line in episode 2 that says she does not follow johns orderds "yet" :razz:

An improvement of T-100. ;)

[Lone_Prodigy]

I was wondering why a teenage boy would not take some sort of sexual advantage of a smoking hot female robot who has to follow his orders but then they put that line in episode 2 that says she does not follow johns orderds "yet" :razz:

Same cover, different book. :twisted:

Anyone notice that Lena Headey has the same initials as Linda Hamilton (Sarah in the movies)? :D

[McLaren]

Is episode 2 still airing on sunday? Have to set the pvr.

Great show from watching the premiere, effects are decent for a low budget.

[Rometiklan]

The show is pretty good so far, but in some ways, I felt like it was messing with the Terminator mythos. When I was watching, I found I was resenting the show just a little bit, as strange as that seems. Once I let go of it, I enjoyed the show and was thankful we have a continuation of the mythos at all.

[007craft]

Is episode 2 still airing on sunday? Have to set the pvr.

Great show from watching the premiere, effects are decent for a low budget.

episode 2 aired on monday. The show airs on monday and mearly premiered on sunday. episode 3 will be on this monday. You can download episode 2 from the torrent sites if you missed it.

[rfdghost]

if anyone missed the episodes, they can be seen on ctv broadband

http://shows.ctv.ca/2007/

[coreanbbq]

if anyone missed the episodes, they can be seen on ctv broadband

http://shows.ctv.ca/2007/


I can't find episode 3 on there, which was supposed to be aired tonight... It just plays episode 2 which was aired last monday? :confused:

[Newpunk]

Yeah... I could barely stand watching the second episode for 5 minutes... it's so poorly written and the actors are not very convincing and have no real chemistry... probably will canceled almost as fast as Blade the Series did...

[007craft]

i must say, im greatly more dissapointed with the show after episode 1. I thought the first episode was great, then everything was ruined in the second. their taking my most loved franchise of all and turning into your every other episode of the week action drama.

*Spoilers below*

I mean, the terminator making unintentional "ignorance" jokes, freedom fighters AND terminators both from the future, all in 2007 for some reason.n No1 seems to care how sarah never aged a day in 8 years (mind you neither did mrs dyson, and she actually lived all 8. Enrike a trader/snitch. a terminator whos cpu head gets detatched from his body and and is able to still controll the body? High school, with a terminator? Do I need to go on? This is seriously agravating me alot. And people said T3 was bad? no way. Im happy the terminator films are the true official story still. I still enjoyed the 3rd in the series (not as much as 2 and 1 of course tho), but it was better then the show.

[pgfreak]

The series is great. Story is great. I like the acting, all though I am still getting used to the female terminator (whats her name again?), its hard getting used to her acting.

[milhaus]

i must say, im greatly more dissapointed with the show after episode 1. I thought the first episode was great, then everything was ruined in the second. their taking my most loved franchise of all and turning into your every other episode of the week action drama.

*Spoilers below*

I mean, the terminator making unintentional "ignorance" jokes, freedom fighters AND terminators both from the future, all in 2007 for some reason.n No1 seems to care how sarah never aged a day in 8 years (mind you neither did mrs dyson, and she actually lived all 8. Enrike a trader/snitch. a terminator whos cpu head gets detatched from his body and and is able to still controll the body? High school, with a terminator? Do I need to go on? This is seriously agravating me alot. And people said T3 was bad? no way. Im happy the terminator films are the true official story still. I still enjoyed the 3rd in the series (not as much as 2 and 1 of course tho), but it was better then the show.
Hilarious. A show about time-traveling robots is okay, but damn, a terminator whose cpu head gets detached from his body and is still able to control it - that's just unacceptable. And about T3 - that was bad!

[carmaster]

Hilarious. A show about time-traveling robots is okay, but damn, a terminator whose cpu head gets detached from his body and is still able to control it - that's just unacceptable. And about T3 - that was bad!

That part did not make any sense.

[pgfreak]

so what if the head is detached? Do you know how the terminator functions?

[gman]

so what if the head is detached? Do you know how the terminator functions?

I agree. If the later model T-X has the ability to remote control most machines. I don't see why it is impossible for an earlier model to remote control its own body part.

[007craft]

I agree. If the later model T-X has the ability to remote control most machines. I don't see why it is impossible for an earlier model to remote control its own body part.

Im not saying its not possible, but the vision sensors are clearly inside the terminators head. Its not like the head was next to the body and he remotely picked the head up. They were miles and miles apart and yet he managed to dress up the body (including dead human head) and navigate through town all the way to the heads location.

Thats a little too far-fetched. It looked cheesy.

[felix]

What I did not find believable this past episode was how the security guard just scanned the female terminator's head when John told him she had a metal plate in her head. Normally the procedure is to scan from head to toe, ESPECIALLY if you beep walking through the metal detector.

[MC25]

this show is meh

[carmaster]

Im not saying its not possible, but the vision sensors are clearly inside the terminators head. Its not like the head was next to the body and he remotely picked the head up. They were miles and miles apart and yet he managed to dress up the body (including dead human head) and navigate through town all the way to the heads location.

Thats a little too far-fetched. It looked cheesy.

It was cheesy. But maybe the body and head have some sort of GPS system attached to it.

[warpdrive]

So the word is, we are supposed to ignore what happened in Terminator 3


She's back! Fox premieres 'Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles'
by Mark Dawidziak/Plain Dealer Television Critic Tuesday January 08, 2008, 4:40 PM

TV PREVIEW
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
What: The premiere of a fantasy series featuring characters from the "Termi nator" movies.
When: 8 p.m. Sunday, Jan. 13.

Where: Fox (WJW Channel 8).

Although so powerful it has been dubbed "the death star" by rival networks, the returning "American Idol" can't do it all for Fox. The network needs some super-heroic ratings help from other shows during the second half of this strike-blighted television season.

So Fox is calling a heroine off the midseason bench. A proven fighter battle-tested on bleak landscapes, the muscular mother character from Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" movies is the star attraction in "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." The futuristic fantasy series premieres at 8 p.m. Sunday, Jan. 13 on WJW Channel 8.

Played by British actress Lena Headey (Queen Gorgo in "300"), Sarah is roaring into the prime-time fray armed with what has become rare and formidable weapons for a network drama series -- original episodes. "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" was in the works long before the 10-week-old Writers Guild strike shut down production on scripted series. So it's one of the few dramas that can use the "Terminator" catchphrase, "I'll be back," and actually mean back with a fresh story next week.

Linda Hamilton portrayed Sarah in "The Terminator" (1984) and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" (1991), both box-office smashes directed by James Cameron. The series follows Headey's Sarah as a fighting fugitive determined to oppose an evolving technological enemy while protecting her 15-year-old son, John (Thomas Dekker, who played Zach on "Heroes").

"A lot of times, I have to say, films-to-television transfers have not done too well, but once in a while they do happen," said the show's director, David Nutter. "The bottom line with this show is the fact that it's so ripe for becoming a television series. This is a story of two people about whom you want to find out what's going to happen. How is John Connor going to grow up? How is Sarah Connor going to take care of him? This is a mother-and-son show."

It's also a science-fiction adventure show. It's also an action drama. It's also an expensive gamble with a big budget and special effects.

"Going from one genre to another is just opening another door," said Headey, whose films range from director Roman Polanski's "Oliver Twist" to the romantic comedy "Imagine Me & You."

"Bring it on."

There was a third "Terminator" film, "Rise of the Machines," released in 2003. It was Schwarzenegger's last star vehicle before becoming governor of California. But it was not directed by Cameron, and Hamilton decided against reprising the role of Sarah.

"Terminator 3" put the focus on the adult John Connor, telling fans that Sarah had died of leukemia. Nutter and executive producer Josh Friedman decided that best way to deal with "Rise of the Machines" was to ignore it.

"When we first started this, people said, 'Oh, this takes place between 'T2' and 'T3,' and that was incorrect," Friedman said. "This really is 'T3,' as far as I'm concerned. This is a continuation of what I would call the Sarah Connor trilogy."
Also in the series cast are Summer Glau, playing a high school student who turns out to be John's new Terminator protector, and Richard T. Jones, playing an FBI agent.

"The way we're going to make my Terminator the most advanced model so far is in her human traits," said Glau, who established her fantasy cred on writer-producer Joss Whedon's "Firefly." "She's going to be the most human Terminator so far."

Human is good, but Fox is looking for heroic; at least in those weekly chronicles known as the ratings. "Idol," which begins its seventh season Tuesday night, just can't do it alone.

[Arcum]

I sort of like it! Although T2 is one of my favourite movies ever so.

It;s obviously not as "good" as the movies, and I wasn't expecting it to be.

[carmaster]

So the word is, we are supposed to ignore what happened in Terminator 3

This Friedman guy is ********. How is this suppose be T3? That makes no sense whatsoever. This series is supposed fill in the missing gaps between the T2 and T3.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Can someone explain (spoilers) what those paintings on the school wall mean?

I thought the last episode was okay. The socially-awkward Terminator schtick is getting old, and seeing Sarah look so tortured every day is starting to wear on me.

[gman]

This Friedman guy is ********. How is this suppose be T3? That makes no sense whatsoever. This series is supposed fill in the missing gaps between the T2 and T3.

Because the time line of T3 cannot happen anymore unless Sarah and John find a time machine and go back in time. There is not gap. T3 of the movie is 'erased'. Hence, this is T3.

[gman]

I thought the last episode was okay. The socially-awkward Terminator schtick is getting old, and seeing Sarah look so tortured every day is starting to wear on me.

Yes, that is actually the worst part of the show. Summer the Terminator acted like a normal high school girl before she met John. She was not socially-awkward at that time. It seems her human like ability goes downhill every day.

[7cal]

Yes, that is actually the worst part of the show. Summer the Terminator acted like a normal high school girl before she met John. She was not socially-awkward at that time. It seems her human like ability goes downhill every day.

I totally agree. Was thinking the same thing last episode: What the hell happened to perfectly 100% normal American teenage girl Terminator from the first episode? She was all of a sudden replaced with monotone-talking robot from some 70s sci-fi tv show.

[Rometiklan]

I agree as well. We've seen "the robot trying to be human" theme too many times. Summer sort of reminds me of a dumbed down version of Seven of Nine from Star Trek Voyager.

I hope they don't create some kind of romantic interest between Summer and John. That would be the biggest cliche, and a trap I hope the creators can avoid.

[pgfreak]

I totally agree. Was thinking the same thing last episode: What the hell happened to perfectly 100% normal American teenage girl Terminator from the first episode? She was all of a sudden replaced with monotone-talking robot from some 70s sci-fi tv show.

The weird part is that in the last episode, she even said that she fooled John at the beginning... so the writers clearly knew about this.

[pgfreak]

What doesn't make any sense is how Cameron acted so naturally as a human when she met John Connor in class, and now she acts with less dimensionality than an ATM.

If she was programmed (in her words) to "fool" John into thinking she was human, why is she acting like a "Speak and Spell" now?

Slightly off topic- I think it would have been cooler if Cameron was a T1000 model. That would have amped up the show to a whole new level.

Lastly- the thing that doesn't make any sense is that in the show they say that they can travel back to any point in time (Cameron opens a safety deposit box at a bank in 1960). Why haven't the machines just sent someone back to kill Sarah's parents, or grandparents, or petticoat wearing circa year 1800 ancestors?

Oh well.

Because that would kill john too and john is their leader :|

[gman]

What doesn't make any sense is how Cameron acted so naturally as a human when she met John Connor in class, and now she acts with less dimensionality than an ATM.

If she was programmed (in her words) to "fool" John into thinking she was human, why is she acting like a "Speak and Spell" now?

Slightly off topic- I think it would have been cooler if Cameron was a T1000 model. That would have amped up the show to a whole new level.

Lastly- the thing that doesn't make any sense is that in the show they say that they can travel back to any point in time (Cameron opens a safety deposit box at a bank in 1960). Why haven't the machines just sent someone back to kill Sarah's parents, or grandparents, or petticoat wearing circa year 1800 ancestors?

Oh well.

Because the machines probably does not know who Sarah's parents were.
They only knew who John's mother was (not even the father).

Cameron did not open a safety deposit box at a bank in 1960. John sends other human scientists back to 1960 to create the time machine from scratch.

Because that would kill john too and john is their leader :|

John is not the leader of skynet. He said why haven't the 'machines' just sent someone back to kill ....

[Lone_Prodigy]

I know the entire Terminator series is totally inconsistent with the time paradox business, so I just ignore it all. :)

[pgfreak]

Because the machines probably does not know who Sarah's parents were.
They only knew who John's mother was (not even the father).

Cameron did not open a safety deposit box at a bank in 1960. John sends other human scientists back to 1960 to create the time machine from scratch.



John is not the leader of skynet. He said why haven't the 'machines' just sent someone back to kill ....

Oh I misread what he typed then

[felix]

Is there a new episode tonight? I don't think there was one last week.

[flyman]

yes, there's a new episode tonight.

[Madchester]

This has to be the most emasculating show on primetime right now. :)

[007craft]

This show is starting to piss me off now. Its a damn good thing its based off my favorite franchise or I would not watch it.

In the lattest episode they trap a terminator in a bomb shelter and apparenty he cannot escape because they stol the key which opens the door. Are you kidding me? Its a freaking terminator. It can rip the metal housing right off the keyhole and bypass any tumblers or anything to manually activate the door switch. they did not damage the switch or nothing, just stole the key. Man this makes no sense at all.

[Lone_Prodigy]

This show is starting to piss me off now. Its a damn good thing its based off my favorite franchise or I would not watch it.

In the lattest episode they trap a terminator in a bomb shelter and apparenty he cannot escape because they stol the key which opens the door. Are you kidding me? Its a freaking terminator. It can rip the metal housing right off the keyhole and bypass any tumblers or anything to manually activate the door switch. they did not damage the switch or nothing, just stole the key. Man this makes no sense at all.

*spoilers*


Suspension of disbelief, my friend. Besides, even if the Terminator were to escape, it wouldn't bother John and co. again, since they have no Colton (well except for the piece Cameron took.) The Terminator will resume its mission.

And yeah, driving the truck off a cliff... probably not the smartest move. Just blow it to pieces with C4.

[josh16]

My Favourite line:
Sarah: We're going on a field trip
John: I call shotgun
Cameron: I call 9mm

[gman]

And yeah, driving the truck off a cliff... probably not the smartest move. Just blow it to pieces with C4.

Then, they would need to re-stock C4 and probably makes authorities to check out the explosion too.

[felix]

I liked the ending of this last episode! :)

I thought he might be written out of the show, but glad he'll probably learn of the truth.

So who is the one with the new Turk? I'm guessing it's the terminator that tried to kill the 4 resistance fighters?

[carmaster]

This show is really really slow. Yesterday's episode was pointless, how could the creator of a computer playing chess program win a military contract? Is the military really that pathetic?

[gman]

This show is really really slow. Yesterday's episode was pointless, how could the creator of a computer playing chess program win a military contract? Is the military really that pathetic?

Who knows what kind of contract that is. May be it is the contract to improve their video game.

[gman]

Which makes no sense since she acts like a toaster and is incapable of humor, which is inconsistent to her behavior as a normal teenage girl in the first episode when she was in class.

That's the one thing that rankles me- she acted like a normal human at the beginning of the first episode, and now she acts awkward and robotic- incapable of emulating any human mannerism so as to not draw attention to herself.

Talk about inconsistent writing.

Although I am also critical about that, to be fair, she acted normal only in more or less 2 scenes in the school hallway and the class in the 1st episode.

[CSAgent]

Who knows what kind of contract that is. May be it is the contract to improve their video game.

America's Army! Do people still play that?

Well the writer's of the show did say that this show does exist in a different timeline where T3 the movie didn't happen. So they could be going in a different direction.

[Lone_Prodigy]

So who is the one with the new Turk? I'm guessing it's the terminator that tried to kill the 4 resistance fighters?

The Terminator that Cameron killed was the same one after the resistance fighters, which is why he shot Derek.

As for the military contract, it's probably AI-related. It may be used to design a prototype, like the ones seen in T3.

[gerbil]

I wish that "she-terminator" from the last episode don't blink as much.
Don't look realistic.

[CSAgent]

I wish that "she-terminator" from the last episode don't blink as much.
Don't look realistic.

There is only one female terminator in this series, what other one are you referring to?

[spike-spiegel]

Although I am also critical about that, to be fair, she acted normal only in more or less 2 scenes in the school hallway and the class in the 1st episode.

Maybe she was programmed to act normal in school until she could find John?

But i try not think too much about the time paradoxes and stuff, just sit and enjoy. it's been a solid show with good action so far.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Maybe she was programmed to act normal in school until she could find John?

But i try not think too much about the time paradoxes and stuff, just sit and enjoy. it's been a solid show with good action so far.

She went from late 1990's middle-of-nowhere hick-town to a 21st-century big city... anyone would have trouble fitting in. :D

I remember one of the producers saying they won't have a "Terminator-of-the-week", but the show seems to be shaping up that way. Then again it's the only way to get any action, since fighting real humans would ruin their covers and it won't do to have them kill humans.

[gflux]

Wow! Last nights episode was pretty damn good. I've been sort of watching this series and I've been thinking it was just ok - a little slow moving a lot of the time. While this is still true for last nights episode, it was really interesting seeing the flash forwards. Some neat revelations about Cameron and those other "travelers" and who killed the chess guy. Looking forward to next week.

[carmaster]

Wow! Last nights episode was pretty damn good. I've been sort of watching this series and I've been thinking it was just ok - a little slow moving a lot of the time. While this is still true for last nights episode, it was really interesting seeing the flash forwards. Some neat revelations about Cameron and those other "travelers" and who killed the chess guy. Looking forward to next week.

Yesterday's episode was really good, the best one so far. I love the way they setup the flashbacks.

[pgfreak]

So... when they were showing the flashbacks of the guy in the future... how is John the leader of the group yet Derrick and Kyle are still there?
I mean, shouldnt kyle know he is the dad and maybe told derrick?

John is the leader and Kyle was follow his orders? weird

[carmaster]

So... when they were showing the flashbacks of the guy in the future... how is John the leader of the group yet Derrick and Kyle are still there?
I mean, shouldnt kyle know he is the dad and maybe told derrick?

John is the leader and Kyle was follow his orders? weird

They showed the episode at the point where Kyle was sent back throught time to protect Sarah Connor. This is even before Kyle knows he is the father of John Connor. Besides, Kyle dies before he finds out that John Connor is his son.

[gman]

They showed the episode at the point where Kyle was sent back throught time to protect Sarah Connor. This is even before Kyle knows he is the father of John Connor. Besides, Kyle dies before he finds out that John Connor is his son.

That is technically impossible. :cheesygri
Of course, unless you believe in ghost.

[carmaster]

That is technically impossible. :cheesygri
Of course, unless you believe in ghost.

It is possible. When Kyle was sent back through time, there would be two Kyle's at that point in time. Just like in back to the future 2 where there where 2 docs and 2 marty's. Whether Kyle was born or not is totally irrelevant.

[felix]

Looking forward to finding out why Cameron lied and kept the T-888's chip, and why Derek Reese lied when he told Sarah he didn't kill Andy Goode.

Not sure what was going on when the resistance fighters were held in that place and brought downstairs with the piano music.


There's an interview with Brian Austin Green (who plays Derek Reese this show) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftissVd2js&fmt=6

(i had no idea he is now engaged to Megan Fox from Transformers! I still remember him as the youngest guy on 90210!).

[Lone_Prodigy]

Remember a couple episodes back when Cameron kept a bar of that metal used to make Terminators? Maybe she wants to make her own?

[2k4accord]

I think the Cameron T. is holding something back. Maybe she has another mission programmed by the future John or she has an alternative motive.

Who know!

[gman]

It is possible. When Kyle was sent back through time, there would be two Kyle's at that point in time. Just like in back to the future 2 where there where 2 docs and 2 marty's. Whether Kyle was born or not is totally irrelevant.

Of course Kyle was born or not is very relevant because there was not 2 Kyle at that point in time if Kyle was not born at that time. In the story, Kyle was not born at the time Kyle went back. Hence, Kyle cannot know John is his son AFTER he is dead unless someone in the future told Kyle of the future which is not the case.

The only chance Kyle knew the future John is his son is before his death (besides Sarah or John or Sarah's BF exposes the secret and somehow pass that info to Kyle in the future).

[gman]

I think the Cameron T. is holding something back. Maybe she has another mission programmed by the future John or she has an alternative motive.

Who know!

Cameron in the future said something like "sometimes they go bad and we don't know why" after she killed that robot and saved Derek. I think the "they" she referred to is the re-programmed robots.

[felix]

Was anyone else hoping to see them prove to Charlie that Cameron is a machine just like how the Terminator peeled off his skin to show Miles Dyson in T2?

[Little Dragon]

didn't have to really.

[manixc]

The show finally got interesting. However, it still feel slow-moving.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Already season finale next week? Just when it was getting interesting.

*spoiler*

Anyone else think the person who bought the Turk was Cromartie? When Cameron handed Sarah a card I thought it was Agent Kester's.

[rabbit]

Finally figured out why Derek "peanutbutter cup" Reese looked familiar. He played a "perfect date" for Sabrina the Teenage Witch, who was baked by her aunts, using man-dough.

[CSAgent]

Finally figured out why Derek "peanutbutter cup" Reese looked familiar. He played a "perfect date" for Sabrina the Teenage Witch, who was baked by her aunts, using man-dough.

... Sabrina who?

Beverly Hills 90210 anyone? Unless you were too young to remember that.

[soulflare]

Remember a couple episodes back when Cameron kept a bar of that metal used to make Terminators? Maybe she wants to make her own?

It could also be a self-preservation thing. Either to insure her future birth, or perhaps because Sarah keeps threatening to dismantle her.

Speaking of future birth... didn't they negate Cameron's birth... and by extension all but the first 5 minutes of this series... when they shut down the factory where she was to be made? (episode 4)

[CSAgent]

It could also be a self-preservation thing. Either to insure her future birth, or perhaps because Sarah keeps threatening to dismantle her.

Speaking of future birth... didn't they negate Cameron's birth... and by extension all but the first 5 minutes of this series... when they shut down the factory where she was to be made? (episode 4)

Well I doubt Skynet had JUST one factory pumping out Terminators so even though they negated that one factory, there are other factories so technically - she could have been created in those other ones.

[soulflare]

Well I doubt Skynet had JUST one factory pumping out Terminators so even though they negated that one factory, there are other factories so technically - she could have been created in those other ones.

I certainly wasn't saying that that was the only factory.

Still, even if she were made somewhere else that would still be a major alteration to her future timeline, one that would almost certainly guarantee that the exact set of circumstances that led to her capture and re-programming by Connor & Co. wouldn't re-occur. The writers simply shouldn't have had Cameron say she was created in that facility.

or they should have had her say something like:
"Wait a second, if we shut down this facility then..." [jump cut to a completely different actor/actress playing the part of the good terminator, while John and Sarah stand around, oblivious to the change] ;)

[Arcum]

I gotta say, Summer Glau makes a ****ing sexy cop/ballerina.

[thendless]

I'm starting to like the show, there are a lot of things being explored that will definitely have potential for great future storylines. One question though, In T2 did they ever address Arnolds arm that he tore off and left in the machine when the T1000 got his arm stuck in the factory?

[McLaren]

I'm starting to like the show, there are a lot of things being explored that will definitely have potential for great future storylines. One question though, In T2 did they ever address Arnolds arm that he tore off and left in the machine when the T1000 got his arm stuck in the factory?

Arnies arm was crushed in that scene in so it was not intact if recovered, unlike in T1 where the full arm of arnie was untouched in the press machine.

[manixc]

The scene with Cameron dancing was really freaky, especially with Derek looking.
I wonder if Derek and Cameron have met before in the future. Was Cameron the one who save Derek back in the future?

[josh16]

The scene with Cameron dancing was really freaky, especially with Derek looking.
I wonder if Derek and Cameron have met before in the future. Was Cameron the one who save Derek back in the future?

It showed Derek meeting her in the safehouse/base after he escaped from the "prison", he tried to shoot her:D

[manixc]

It showed Derek meeting her in the safehouse/base after he escaped from the "prison", he tried to shoot her:D

but is that the same "her"?

[josh16]

but is that the same "her"?
yes because in the last episode or the preview for the next one i can't remember, Derek is like "I know you" and She replies by saying "I know you Too"

[rabbit]

> She replies by saying "I know you Too"

That could just imply that she was programmed with info about him. But I do think that it's the same terminator.

[josh16]

> She replies by saying "I know you Too"

That could just imply that she was programmed with info about him. But I do think that it's the same terminator.
Hmm true, i didn't think of it this way. I'm also pretty sure that it was the same terminator. IF it looks, sounds and walks like a duck then :D

[felix]

The scene with Cameron dancing was really freaky, especially with Derek looking.

Yeah, I think it was the same piano music in the background that was playing in the basement of where Derek was held captive in the future. That's why he was watching in disgust. Pretty creepy.

[2k4accord]

Yeah, I think it was the same piano music in the background that was playing in the basement of where Derek was held captive in the future. That's why he was watching in disgust. Pretty creepy.

Damn it was the same music? I didn't pick that up when i saw it.
That just show I suck at music.

I wonder if there is any meaning to it.

[Angela V]

Don't forgot it's a 2 hour finale tonight. From 8-10, episodes 8 and 9 will be shown. From what I can find it's going to end in a cliffhanger but no new episodes will be shot for this season. So far it looks like there will be a season 2.

[soulflare]

Yeah, I think it was the same piano music in the background that was playing in the basement of where Derek was held captive in the future. That's why he was watching in disgust. Pretty creepy.

Nice catch! I just checked eps 6 & 7 and it's indeed the exact same music.

[SkiD]

Finale was aired Sunday night (assume in Alberta only), thought there should have been more of a cliff hanger ending, kinda went out with a wimper.

[josh16]

The episodes were good but the ending of the last one SUCKED. Seriously what kind of ending is that?

[corrupt123]

Finale was aired Sunday night (assume in Alberta only), thought there should have been more of a cliff hanger ending, kinda went out with a wimper.

Hahaha, I disagree! I just saw the double episode finale, and there was definitly a bang at the end!

On a different note... I went downstairs to get milk & cookies during the commercial right before when the (highlight to see) Fed's storm the Terminators house, where the terminator points a gun at the black guy but then decides not to shoot after and I missed whatever happened! Any online links? Either the clip on youtube, or the whole epsode and I'll fast forward to the part? Thanks!

Also... when's season 2 roll out? :cheesygri

[Exist2Inspire]

Has Fox even signed up for another season? As I recall, a second season signing was still up in the air... and knowing Fox's track record they may not be a second season :(

[geebops]

I so badly wanted to see some robot fighting between Cameron and whoever....but it never happened...yet I still thought it was an awesome season finale.

They better bring this show back for season 2.

[carmaster]

The episodes were good but the ending of the last one SUCKED. Seriously what kind of ending is that?

The last 10 minutes with that stupid music ruined it.

[thendless]

terrible cliffhanger but still good episodes...

Spoiler:
So what the car blows up with Cameron inside haha... I feel sorry for the sucker walking away

[Oni-kun]

I dont understand the conversation between cameron and the look out chick, shes like do i have to kill you too? I don't get it.

[Jeff146]

I dont understand the conversation between cameron and the look out chick, shes like do i have to kill you too? I don't get it.

Neither did I.

Did she just kill herself?

[gman]

I dont understand the conversation between cameron and the look out chick, shes like do i have to kill you too? I don't get it.

I think the girl wanted to die with her gang. May be she can't live without the gang.

[Lone_Prodigy]

I think the girl wanted to die with her gang. May be she can't live without the gang.

Probably.

Whatever happens, they may not bring back Summer Glau. Gonna be hard to find someone to make her skin, and a plastic surgeon to make her face. :(

Don't knock Johnny Cash, though I thought "Ring of Fire" was more appropriate to the ending. :D

[spm24]

interesting twist last night the season wasnt to bad for its first. hopefully fox continues it at least one more season.

Spoiler :
Reese brought john a gift that not even his mother could bring for his birthday , he was able to see his father first hand even though he was only 5 years old.

the carbomb as it might not kill cameron would expose her exoskeleton and possibly damage her. we know shes got the coltan but can re recreate herself or will she need to hi-jack another terminators body.

i dont get that whole net cafe part . why introduce that aussy dude and his side kick if nothing was to come from it except he has access to information but in the end is just a tool like the Russian or even andy good.

[Madchester]

Don't knock Johnny Cash, though I thought "Ring of Fire" was more appropriate to the ending. :D

Johnny Cash is always mint.

If you follow the lyrics to the song, you'll see that it takes an excerpt from Revelation... the same ones that appeared earlier in the show. And in general the song describes the Armageddon, so it's really fitting.

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=3530822107858499841

[Lone_Prodigy]

i dont get that whole net cafe part . why introduce that aussy dude and his side kick if nothing was to come from it except he has access to information but in the end is just a tool like the Russian or even andy good.

I think it's meant to show that even humans can make fearsome enemies, and even a Terminator isn't enough sometimes.

[CSAgent]

Spoiler: I think Cameron survived. A T-800 survived a full tanker blast remember? See T1. The scene where Derek brought John to see his younger self and Kyle was really good, I thought it was the most emotional scene of the series so far.

You can't really even call it a he or she as their programming by Skynet does not denote sexes so the proper term to call Cameron is "it" instead.

We'll have to wait for season 2. Conveniently 6-7 months away from now!!!! :cry:

[soulflare]

There was some speculation on the IMDB board that the latin chick might be another terminator. Personally, I think she was completely purposeless to the final episode. Cameron, Derek and the Connors needed a ride? Really?

Spoiler: [COLOR="White"]We'll have to wait for season 2. Conveniently 6-7 months away from now!!!! :cry:

A season 2 hasn't even been confirmed yet, so the wait could actually be infinite.

[CSAgent]

There was some speculation on the IMDB board that the latin chick might be another terminator. Personally, I think she was completely purposeless to the final episode. Cameron, Derek and the Connors needed a ride? Really?



A season 2 hasn't even been confirmed yet, so the wait could actually be infinite.

Yeah, didn't Cameron also jack that Mercedes earlier too? They could have just used that car instead.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Spoiler: no way did Cameron die. Sarkissian must not have seen Cameron bash through the walls to think a simple car bomb would kill her. I kind of feel sorry for him when it catches up to him.

Yeah, the scene with John and Kyle was great.

[corrupt123]

Probably.

Whatever happens, they may not bring back Summer Glau. Gonna be hard to find someone to make her skin, and a plastic surgeon to make her face. :(

Don't knock Johnny Cash, though I thought "Ring of Fire" was more appropriate to the ending. :D

Spoiler: no way did Cameron die. Sarkissian must not have seen Cameron bash through the walls to think a simple car bomb would kill her. I kind of feel sorry for him when it catches up to him.



Spoiler Response: If what you're saying about not bringing Summer back is true, then thats why they used a carbomb. It definitly wouldn't destroy the terminator, but it would ruin the flesh & skin so they could just drop in another actor and call it a new "body". It'll be unfortunate if they do get rid of Summer Glau though, she is smokin' hot and plays the part really well.

There was some speculation on the IMDB board that the latin chick might be another terminator. Personally, I think she was completely purposeless to the final episode. Cameron, Derek and the Connors needed a ride? Really?

It would be interesting but I dont think so. Cameron would have picked it up early on, but on the flip side, it's completely possible that she did and we just werent informed. But if the latin chick [i]IS a terminator, then the gun would be pretty useless.

I think the latin girl knew where the guy at the cafe was, and thats why she picked them up. Her gang was killed by the guy or whatever, and she used cameron and the gang to get back at him. Most plausable explination IMO, I just cant remember if they had his address already or not.

A season 2 hasn't even been confirmed yet, so the wait could actually be infinite.
Thats unfortunate... From what I understand, the shows been pretty successful though... Fingers crossed. I just wish their special effects budget was a little higher - I wanna see some terminators with more then a few patches of endoskeliton showing.

Also... Who's sarkissian?

[BoxsterS]

I hear the show was on the Fox schedule bubble for next season so it may not be back on Fox, but perhaps the Sci Fi channel. Regardless, the shows will be available. Interesting ending, but it was rather odd because of what it meant to portray to the audience. You can't kill a cybernetic organism with a simple car explosion so it's still active. But, it does allow them to bring in another actress or actor I guess. Anyway, it was one of the better shows on Television this season and I hope it's back for season 2 either on Fox or some other network. The show has potential, but I sort of got the feeling they blew their special effects budget during the first 2 shows.

[manixc]

Yeah, I think it was the same piano music in the background that was playing in the basement of where Derek was held captive in the future. That's why he was watching in disgust. Pretty creepy.

good ears. I didn't notice that.

Really good finale. The last 3 episodes are really well done. Just a few weeks ago, I was just thinking the show was really crappy.

The scene with the FBI storming Cromartie was excellent (Remind me a bit of the BSG final scene with All Along The Watchtower song).

I hope there is a Season 2.

[felix]

The last 10 minutes with that stupid music ruined it.
I agree complete. Did not fit into this tense scene. I thought the ending was alright otherwise. The cliff hanger brings up questions for the second season, but the season still left a few questions unanswered (what happened in the basement where Derek was held in the future, etc).

[jamgyu]

don't know if this was posted before... I've only read the last couple pages of this thread.

but for everyone who thinks Summer Glau might not return for a second season this interview with her suggests that she's still in the show.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/856/856022p1.html

[spike-spiegel]

Yeah, I think it was the same piano music in the background that was playing in the basement of where Derek was held captive in the future. That's why he was watching in disgust. Pretty creepy.

They still haven't answered what happened with Derek in the piano room. Could simply be just breaking him down to find secret locations but it might be something more. I thought it was a way for the machines to brain wash humans into acting like machines for them but I guess not.

I liked the FBI/Cromartie scene with the Johnny Cash song. Really no point to see a terminator destroy the FBI team and probably cost a lot more too. Cash's song tied up with the biblical/revelations theme too.

The girl helping them out with locating the Turk guy at the net cafe was a bit odd. Felt like a cheap way out.

Don't think Summer Glau is gone. They'll find a way to repair her. If she's gone, that's one half of the females in this show. This is FOX remember. Summer Glau is too hot not to continue playing the robot.

[spm24]

the Johnny cash song was pretty fitting for that scene i just wish they didn't show the view from in the pool and everyone being thrown into it .

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/themancomesaround.html

i watched it again last night and i was wondering in the internet cafe scene when the aussie took john . where the hell did Cameron go she bust threw the wall and was supposed to be on the dudes trail , didn't come out with the turk or anything else it was like she was on a paid terminator's union coffee break.


i just hope them choosing a 9 episode season rather then a 12+ episode season wont lock them out of making a second season.

[CSAgent]

I'm surprised no one thought of this.

In episode 7:

Derek gets taken down to cellar with piano music playing for interrogation by T-800 infiltrator unit, we are not shown what happens or who is in the room.

Derek is then released, goes back to TechCom HQ. Sees female Terminator that looks like Cameron, freaks out and pulls a gun on her. TechCom soldier pulls him aside telling him to stand down and that John reprogrammed her to be on their side.

Is it not obvious? Cameron was the cyborg that interrogated Derek prior to being captured and reprogrammed. Hence why and how he can recognize the female Terminator so quick, maybe she was also the first female Terminator Skynet was experimenting with prior to the TX in T3: ROTM. It would clearly explain Derek's disgust from Episode 8 in the end, and Cameron's preferal of music for the ballerina sequence!! Am I right? Or am I right? :p

[felix]

Is it not obvious? Cameron was the cyborg that interrogated Derek prior to being captured and reprogrammed. Hence why and how he can recognize the female Terminator so quick, maybe she was also the first female Terminator Skynet was experimenting with prior to the TX in T3: ROTM. It would clearly explain Derek's disgust from Episode 8 in the end, and Cameron's preferal of music for the ballerina sequence!! Am I right? Or am I right? :p
I'm sure we were all thinking of this, but it wasn't clear if this was the actual intent. How then did they capture and reprogram her? Hopefully the producers will answer this in an interview or something.

I can see why Derek still doesn't trust her though, because he never had a terminator protector like John did.

[Rometiklan]

There was some speculation on the IMDB board that the latin chick might be another terminator.

SPOILER: I watched the finale and I suppose it's possible the Latin chick is another terminator. After Cameron gives her the gun, and exits the car, the camera is on the Latin chick and a very faint hint of the terminator music is played. Maybe I heard it wrong, but I'm too lazy to go back and check it.

[rabbit]

> There was some speculation on the IMDB board that the latin chick might be another terminator.

Great, it's Battlestar Galactica all over again.

[Mr. Robo]

There was some speculation on the IMDB board that the latin chick might be another terminator.

In her scene, she acted emotionless. I thought that was weird almost terminator-like.

[airodus]

T2 was my one of my all-time favorite movies. This new series hasn't really lived up to it. I can't quite place my finger on it, but it doesn't seem to have the sense of purpose that most good serial shows have. Like, I don't have the "can't wait till next week" feeling that I do with other shows.

Still, it's not a bad show, and I love the casting of Sarah and John Conner. I don't know if the girl terminator is really working out (too inconsistent with the whole robot/human behavior), but maybe that's why they left it open to re-casting at the end of the season finale.

[jamgyu]

T2 was my one of my all-time favorite movies. This new series hasn't really lived up to it. I can't quite place my finger on it, but it doesn't seem to have the sense of purpose that most good serial shows have. Like, I don't have the "can't wait till next week" feeling that I do with other shows.

Still, it's not a bad show, and I love the casting of Sarah and John Conner. I don't know if the girl terminator is really working out (too inconsistent with the whole robot/human behavior), but maybe that's why they left it open to re-casting at the end of the season finale.


I don't think they're thinking of recasting Cameron's role.... I haven't heard or read anything about it (if there is something substantiated floating around the internet can someone please post it)....

people have to realize too that season 1 was supposed to be 13 episodes and the story arc was written for 13 episodes.... episode 9 wasn't meant to be a finale... it just ended up being so because of the writers strike... it was by mere coincidence that they had a cliffhanger ending for episode 9 and that was the last episode they filmed.

Summer Glau will be back as Cameron for season 2.


here's an interview with Summer Feb. 28th (no mention of not returning)
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/globalshows/et_story.html?id=59569db4-91a7-4a7f-adc2-130f17a08347

[Lone_Prodigy]

T2 was my one of my all-time favorite movies. This new series hasn't really lived up to it. I can't quite place my finger on it, but it doesn't seem to have the sense of purpose that most good serial shows have. Like, I don't have the "can't wait till next week" feeling that I do with other shows.

Still, it's not a bad show, and I love the casting of Sarah and John Conner. I don't know if the girl terminator is really working out (too inconsistent with the whole robot/human behavior), but maybe that's why they left it open to re-casting at the end of the season finale.

I think the fact it's a TV show based on a movie is what's different. With a movie despite its length you can accomplish a lot in about two hours. With a TV show you have to do things on a week-to-week basis: do you make each episode stand alone or as part of a long continuing story? How much time do you spend on each subplot before returning to the main arc? Each episode needs to start and end appropriately.

To that end I thought this show was done really well, despite the inconsistencies with the movies.

[felix]

To that end I thought this show was done really well, despite the inconsistencies with the movies.

I agree. Good story so far, I thought it would be a boring story about a mom and her kid but was surprised it was not. I thought the special effects were well done for a TV show.



Still, it's not a bad show, and I love the casting of Sarah and John Conner. I don't know if the girl terminator is really working out (too inconsistent with the whole robot/human behavior), but maybe that's why they left it open to re-casting at the end of the season finale.
I liked the casting of Sarah and John also. I thought the original Sarah was too innocent looking for this strong woman role, and Thomas Dekker is better looking than Eddie Furlong. I thought Cameron the girl terminator was inconsistent too, but the fans don't seem to mind. I read the actors who play Sarah and Cameron won an award already for their roles on this show.

[airodus]

I agree. Good story so far, I thought it would be a boring story about a mom and her kid but was surprised it was not. I thought the special effects were well done for a TV show.



I liked the casting of Sarah and John also. I thought the original Sarah was too innocent looking for this strong woman role, and Thomas Dekker is better looking than Eddie Furlong. I thought Cameron the girl terminator was inconsistent too, but the fans don't seem to mind. I read the actors who play Sarah and Cameron won an award already for their roles on this show.

Yah, the pilot setup Cameron as this socially capable terminator which I thought was a good step forward (seeing as how terminators are suppose to infiltrate the human ranks). In the opening scenes, she acted like the typical high school teenager and the viewers were none the wiser.

Then after we discover that she's a terminator, she reverted back to the social skills of a crash test dummy. Even Arnie didn't seem so robotic.

[airodus]

I think the fact it's a TV show based on a movie is what's different. With a movie despite its length you can accomplish a lot in about two hours. With a TV show you have to do things on a week-to-week basis: do you make each episode stand alone or as part of a long continuing story? How much time do you spend on each subplot before returning to the main arc? Each episode needs to start and end appropriately.


Well I'm not a writer, but my 2 favorite serials on right now are The Wire and Battlestar Galactica. The Wire is basically a 12 hour long movie while BSG does the standard self contained episode with a main arc. Other good examples would be Veronica Mars or even Buffy The Vampire Slayer (also a tv adaptation from a movie).

I don't think it's the format of the show that's an issue. I think the writing itself needs to be stronger. I find myself not particularly interested in the plots or dialog or anything. For me, I just like Terminator so that's what keeps me watching. I think that there needs to be more character development with regards to John and Sarah. Sure John knows guns and computers, but he has a long way to go before he becomes the leader he is destined to be (not knowing how to drive stick was funny). Maybe the show should spend more time with him in school than these random chasing down the Turk plots.

Derek is terrible as well, he's been nothing but filler.

[guyarchangel]

Many of you have been asking about the fate of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, so I'm happy to report that barring any apocalyptic shifts at the Fox network, Terminator is very likely to return in the fall.

Now, the official word from the network is, "No word yet regarding season two. Fox usually announces returning shows in May around upfronts." However, in addition to some scuttlebutt that came our way yesterday saying production is set to resume in mid to late June, star Thomas Dekker told me at last night's American Idol party he was feeling pretty good, and is "pretty sure" the new season will happen.

According to Dekker, the producers are currently pitching second-season stories to the network.

When asked if he gets sick of people asking whether or not John and Cameron will have a romance, Dekker laughed and said he actually likes it! He thinks the idea of a human and a robot having that sort of relationship is interesting and cool, and added that fans should "wait until the second season, because some really great stuff is planned—all those questions will be answered!" And yes, that's a direct quote—he was speaking as if season two was already a done deal.

Excited by the chance to spend more time with Cameron and the Connor-Reese clan?

Source: E! Online, Watch with Kristin



Ah Summer Glau need I say more.......:cheesygri

[krash322]

This thread is useless without pics of Summer...

[silentio]

When's next season going to air?

[corrupt123]

This thread is useless without pics of Summer...

http://www.reelcollectibles.co.nz/images/autographs/summer_glau1_wm.jpg

I'm really curious what she looks like person, because I've found that some pics of her are smoking hot, some not so good. Overall, she's a cutie.

[napoleon1769]

I don't think Summer Glau is hot at all. She has the tranny look.

[jamgyu]

I don't think Summer Glau is hot at all. She has the tranny look.



she's definitely not your traditional type of good looking... she's the type of girl that if you saw her on the street or in person and you didn't know who she was you wouldn't give her a second look but because of the roles she's played on TV and film she's got fantasy/iconic status amongst sci-fi fans everywhere which ups her a few notches on the hotness scale.... she's got a pretty fit body though... she's a ballerina after all.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Bump for Season 2! Starts tomorrow at 8:00.

Not a spoiler: Cameron's back. :cheesygri

[geebops]

Awesome first episode.

And the tribute to T2 at the end is going to make this a sweet season.

[cheapmeister]

Tonights episode was awesome! I am thinking about the end scene, it was scary yet funny at the same time involving a urinal and all LOL.

[felix]

Good episode! So the new Terminator is from T3 era or so? I thought the one in T2 can only change the shape of his arm. And in T3 Arnold said the female terminator can only morph into something of similar composition if I recall.

[silentio]

Are the episodes every other week?

[CSAgent]

Awesome first episode.

And the tribute to T2 at the end is going to make this a sweet season.

Wow they kept it a secret all of this time, sweet... It's going to be a great season!

I can't wait to see what happens next!!

[ChinpokoMon]

So the new Terminator is from T3 era or so? I thought the one in T2 can only change the shape of his arm.

The one in the episode is more consistent with T1000 in T2. T1000 can morph into any simple object of a similar size, while T-X in T3 has a solid endoskeleton underneath the liquid metal.

[CSAgent]

The one in the episode is more consistent with T1000 in T2. T1000 can morph into any simple object of a similar size, while T-X in T3 has a solid endoskeleton underneath the liquid metal.

Bah, ok so secret's out to the rest of the masses.

Did anyone see that coming at all? That Shirley Manson from the band Garbage would be a Terminator? A T-1000 too!!

SkyNet sure has them outnumbered (Cromartie, now Weaver aka the T-1000, the T-950 that was stock piling Coltan for the future locked up in that bunker, why won't the resistance send back in time more Terminators to protect their great leader John Connor?? Yeesh!)

I can honestly say that this show makes Monday nights worth looking forward to, that and How I Met Your Mother!

[Lone_Prodigy]

Awesome premiere. Where can I get some of that fire-proof leather?

Thomas Dekker (John) is on the road to becoming Christian Bale, but first he does the Natalie Portman look in V for Vendetta.

[MasterXan]

Bah, ok so secret's out to the rest of the masses.

Did anyone see that coming at all? That Shirley Manson from the band Garbage would be a Terminator? A T-1000 too!!

SkyNet sure has them outnumbered (Cromartie, now Weaver aka the T-1000, the T-950 that was stock piling Coltan for the future locked up in that bunker, why won't the resistance send back in time more Terminators to protect their great leader John Connor?? Yeesh!)

I can honestly say that this show makes Monday nights worth looking forward to, that and How I Met Your Mother!

I like how they gave a nod to T2 by remaking the exact same kill. :lol:

btw, in T2, the T1000 did that finger poke thing through the security guard's face.

[silentio]

Boo. Only 11 episodes left. Stupid fox.

[Rometiklan]

Boo. Only 11 episodes left. Stupid fox.

Considering Fox was initially going to cancel this show, I think we're lucky to even get 12 episodes. Glass half full, dude.

[CSAgent]

Boo. Only 11 episodes left. Stupid fox.

Wrong.

Season 2 has a full 22 episodes.

[silentio]

Wrong.

Season 2 has a full 22 episodes.


:O Prove it!

[felix]

Found out the new terminator is actually a T-1001 (higher model than the T-1000 in T2) ...

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles/terminator-the-sarah-connor-ch-22613.aspx

http://www.ifmagazine.com/review.asp?article=2729

[rabbit]

> And in T3 Arnold said the female terminator can only morph into something of similar composition if I recall.

Similar mass? Or maybe not mass, but can only morph into something that takes up the same amount of space. Eg. can't change into a pin or an elephant.

[felix]

> And in T3 Arnold said the female terminator can only morph into something of similar composition if I recall.

Similar mass? Or maybe not mass, but can only morph into something that takes up the same amount of space. Eg. can't change into a pin or an elephant.
Sorry I was wrong. The one in T3 was a T-X which is liquid metal over a solid endoskeleton so it can only morph into another humanoid ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-X


Also found some new cast interviews here :

http://www.movieweb.com/tv/news/62/30762.php

[Rometiklan]

Wrong.

Season 2 has a full 22 episodes.

Now that's more like it.

[xpoint9]

Awesome first episode.

And the tribute to T2 at the end is going to make this a sweet season.

lol that was really well played.

[gman]

What was written on the wall?

[spm24]

names and dates i would wait till tomorow and there should be enough clips of it on the net .

[Lone_Prodigy]

What was written on the wall?

http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=84913736zq7.jpg

From GameFAQs.

Cameron: I was assessing her threat level.
John: And is she?
Cameron: I don't know. Girls are complicated.

[flyingdutchman]

what does the writings on the wall have to do with anything about their earlier conversation about his new girlfriend?

[Lone_Prodigy]

what does the writings on the wall have to do with anything about their earlier conversation about his new girlfriend?

Nothing. I posted the picture, then decided to post a funny quote from last week's episode.

[Rometiklan]

Got a chance to rewatch last week's episode. Overall, it was a good episode, but I don't know if I'm liking the new sub-story of a love triangle between John, Cameron, and Riley. It can turn into a damn soap opera really fast if they aren't careful. It's a trap that I hope the writers are smart enough to avoid. We've seen that tired old cliche of "machine wants to be human" too many times. We've already seen evidence of Cameron trying to explore her "humanity".

The good thing about this show being on Mondays is that it's not so bad that the weekend is over now that we've got something to look forward to.

[corrupt123]

Got a chance to rewatch last week's episode. Overall, it was a good episode, but I don't know if I'm liking the new sub-story of a love triangle between John, Cameron, and Riley. It can turn into a damn soap opera really fast if they aren't careful. It's a trap that I hope the writers are smart enough to avoid. We've seen that tired old cliche of "machine wants to be human" too many times. We've already seen evidence of Cameron trying to explore her "humanity".

The good thing about this show being on Mondays is that it's not so bad that the weekend is over now that we've got something to look forward to.

I agree with you, but hopefully we'll get to see her with some clothes off :twisted:

[geebops]

Kyle using the exact same grenade launcher that Arnold used in Terminator 2 was pretty awesome. Made for a good laugh.

[jaszy]

Summer Glaaaaaaaau <3

[felix]

Terminator fans might be interested in this new limited release movie :

http://www.getthebigpicture.net/blog/2008/9/21/poster-for-megan-fox-movie-wh$$$re.html <-- replace the $$$ with an "o" since RFD censors explicit words


Director and Writer : Thomas Dekker
Starring : Thomas Dekker
Megan Fox (Brian Austin Green's girlfriend)
Lena Headey

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1210120/

[Lone_Prodigy]

Terminator fans might be interested in this new limited release movie :

http://www.getthebigpicture.net/blog/2008/9/21/poster-for-megan-fox-movie-wh$$$re.html <-- replace the $$$ with an "o" since RFD censors explicit words


Director and Writer : Thomas Dekker
Starring : Thomas Dekker
Megan Fox (Brian Austin Green's girlfriend)
Lena Headey

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1210120/

That is just...strange. :confused:

[rockthecasbah]

http://cache.defamer.com/assets/resources/2008/02/thomas-dekker.jpg

Thomas Dekker seems to want to do everything in showbiz. He also apparently has a "music career" and yes, he actually wrote a song about his character on Sarah Connor Chronicles (see his MySpace page (http://www.myspace.com/therealthomasdekker)).

I wonder how this movie will turn out.

[Rometiklan]

This week's episode: While it wasn't a great episode, it wasn't entirely piss-poor either. I'm not sure I'm liking this exploration of Cameron's humanity. It just seems like you can't have a mechanical being on any show without delving into some sort of human exploration. At the same time, I suppose Cameron couldn't stay a static character forever. We'll have to see which direction they will take this. However, the insight into Alison's past was still interesting nonetheless.

[airodus]

This week's episode: While it wasn't a great episode, it wasn't entirely piss-poor either. I'm not sure I'm liking this exploration of Cameron's humanity. It just seems like you can't have a mechanical being on any show without delving into some sort of human exploration. At the same time, I suppose Cameron couldn't stay a static character forever. We'll have to see which direction they will take this. However, the insight into Alison's past was still interesting nonetheless.

Feels like another Terminator paradox. John Conner probably chose Alison to be whatever she was because of his relationship with Cameron in the past leading Skynet to abduct Alison to create Cameron.

Chicken... egg... chicken?

[Exist2Inspire]

from: http://eztv.it/index.php?main=tvnews&show_news=2709


With ratings far below even the network's worst predictions, Fox could pull the plug on production for "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" as early as this week.

The network has been disappointed by "Sarah Connor's" numbers so far this season, and some executives feel that the show is dragging down numbers for "Prison Break," which airs as a lead-out.

"Audiences just aren't responding to the show," a Fox source tells SyFy Portal. "Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet."
So what will happen?

"All I can say is that production will likely stop, and I would think that Fox might try to air some of the episodes already in the can," the source said. "But I don't know. They don't want to lose 'Prison Break,' so there could be some schedule shuffling in the future."
http://www.syfyportal.com/news425418.html


Crap...

[silentio]

Too bad, it's a great show.

[cheapmeister]

How do they know how many people are watching the show? Do they take surveys or know which channel you are watching through the cable?

[airodus]

How do they know how many people are watching the show? Do they take surveys or know which channel you are watching through the cable?

Kind of a survey. I'm not too sure what the selection criteria is, but a sample of the population has devices hooked up to their cable boxes. This records what channels and shows they watch. They then use that sample to extrapolate what the rest of the population is watching. See more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neilson_ratings

Of course this only measures what people watch on regular TV. Internet streams and torrents can't be measured. Unfortunately the demographic that downloads tv is more skewed towards sci-fi and the like (typical computer users) which can have a significant impact on a show's ratings. So a lot of sci fi shows rate poorly because their key viewers cannot be measured.

Then again, the show could just be bad. In my opinion, Terminator is just not good TV (yes I love the movies and have watched all the episodes, but I won't be sorry to see it go).

[flyingdutchman]

this episode made no sense to me...

Is Cameron good or bad? Like is she in the form of Allison?

[gflux]

Monday night is way too crowded with popular shows - as much as I like this show, I'm not surprised to see it doing so badly.

[silentio]

If they put this show against that ass of a show called Knight Rider the show would easy take both audiences.

[Venom Soldier]

This sucks; I just got into the series and now it'll be cancelled. :(

[manixc]

This week's show is interesting. It seems there's a faction of the machines that want peace or at least so it seems.

Now it might be interesting to see if Weaver is part of this faction or not.

As for the show getting canned, damn, it just start to get interesting.

[danman227460]

this episode made no sense to me...

Is Cameron good or bad? Like is she in the form of Allison?

It was clear that Allison was first a human, a part of John's army. The robots took them or some humans who might have connection with John's army and built robots to resemble them. This will allow the robots to infilitrate John's camp and take out the rest of the human resistance. You know the whole Trojan Horse thing.

The reason why we see Cam having dual identities is her need to learn as much about Allison as possible. That was why in the beginning we never saw Cam but saw Allison getting interrogated and hearing all her answers. Cam pretty much picked up all this information and when her wiring got messed up again, it bought back her original programming and memory.

I am sad that the show is getting canceled like Firefly. Fox sucks at handling new shows and I hope an independent network picks it up. I love this show.

[felix]

Hopefully these suggestions will help save the show ....


http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97990

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97972

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98215

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97890

etc.

[Lone_Prodigy]

I heard that ratings for ALL shows (Heroes, Grey's Survivor, etc.) are way down due to PVR and online. So it's not just Terminator.

[danman227460]

I heard that ratings for ALL shows (Heroes, Grey's Survivor, etc.) are way down due to PVR and online. So it's not just Terminator.

It is true but those shows are established shows and they have been big draws for them before. That is why they keep them on and take off less known shows because people won't miss them that much. Also Heroes runs on more than one channel and isn't a Fox exclusive like Terminator.

I mean last season they had Journeyman which I loved, and they decided to cancel it because of the writer's strike and didn't even bother with it. I think the main reason was because of the limited run, not too many people would miss it like Bionic Woman etc.

[jhardy]

It was clear that Allison was first a human, a part of John's army. ....

Allison was/is never anything but a human. I assume that's what you meant.

this episode made no sense to me...

Is Cameron good or bad? Like is she in the form of Allison?
You must have missed a few episodes, or you'd know she has switched from skynet to resistance mode, and in between, a few times.

[corrupt123]

Kind of a survey. I'm not too sure what the selection criteria is, but a sample of the population has devices hooked up to their cable boxes. This records what channels and shows they watch. They then use that sample to extrapolate what the rest of the population is watching. See more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neilson_ratings

Of course this only measures what people watch on regular TV. Internet streams and torrents can't be measured. Unfortunately the demographic that downloads tv is more skewed towards sci-fi and the like (typical computer users) which can have a significant impact on a show's ratings. So a lot of sci fi shows rate poorly because their key viewers cannot be measured.

Then again, the show could just be bad. In my opinion, Terminator is just not good TV (yes I love the movies and have watched all the episodes, but I won't be sorry to see it go).

Well, these days you're right that a good portion of the viewers are probably watching online, but FOX (and others alike) don't care about that - it doesn't make them any money! Plus, IMO the rating system is pretty crude. These days, I'd think that they gather most of their information from cable providers (since it's mostly/all digital these days and can be monitored) and/or from hits on their own websites.

Monday night is way too crowded with popular shows - as much as I like this show, I'm not surprised to see it doing so badly.

I tend to agree. I liked it last season when it was on tuesday nights, gave me more to look forward to thruout the week.

It was clear that Allison was first a human, a part of John's army. The robots took them or some humans who might have connection with John's army and built robots to resemble them. This will allow the robots to infilitrate John's camp and take out the rest of the human resistance. You know the whole Trojan Horse thing.

The reason why we see Cam having dual identities is her need to learn as much about Allison as possible. That was why in the beginning we never saw Cam but saw Allison getting interrogated and hearing all her answers. Cam pretty much picked up all this information and when her wiring got messed up again, it bought back her original programming and memory.

I am sad that the show is getting canceled like Firefly. Fox sucks at handling new shows and I hope an independent network picks it up. I love this show.

This kind of makes me wonder... which side is cameron on now? She's obviously got memories of when her objective was to kill Connor, so wouldn't she/her system kind of revert back to that? WTF is going on? o0oo

[thechampion116]

I heard that ratings for ALL shows (Heroes, Grey's Survivor, etc.) are way down due to PVR and online. So it's not just Terminator.

Yes, ratings are down in general. When compared to the networks averages, Terminator is quite low.

I remember seeing a list yesterday, and a list last year as well, and it was pretty accurate in what was getting cancelled.

[danman227460]

This kind of makes me wonder... which side is cameron on now? She's obviously got memories of when her objective was to kill Connor, so wouldn't she/her system kind of revert back to that? WTF is going on? o0oo

She can't. Near the beginning of season 2, she went haywire and her prime directive of killing John came back but she later deleted that directive so that is no longer part of her program. Though it doesn't mean she won't keep having flashbacks and the reason why she was sent to John's camp. Remember, she was the one who said that some robots want peace, that could mean she was part of it too.

[instanoodles]

I love this show and it sucks to see it get canceled but really what does fox expect, it is playing at the same time as heroes so I pvr it and watch it on wednesday when there is nothing on tv anyways.

[dealzuser]

I love this show and it sucks to see it get canceled...

Ditto... Hope that they can boost the rating with some scheduling change. I've seen every episode and they are usually quite good.

[xpoint9]

Ditto... Hope that they can boost the rating with some scheduling change. I've seen every episode and they are usually quite good.

The only people to blame are the numbnuts at fox. They have the worst marketing department. They just don't know how to market this show, which is why it has few viewers.

One of the best example is the cancellation of Arrested Developments. Such a great show but got canceled because of poor marketing (which resulted in less viewers)

[jhardy]

She can't. Near the beginning of season 2, she went haywire and her prime directive of killing John came back but she later deleted that directive so that is no longer part of her program. Though it doesn't mean she won't keep having flashbacks and the reason why she was sent to John's camp. Remember, she was the one who said that some robots want peace, that could mean she was part of it too.

If it were that easy, why wasn't the directive deleted when she was initially reprogrammed?

And the bit about the robots wanting peace was just a failed attempt to trick her captive.

[Madchester]

Apparently the actor playing Charlie will be appearing as Sam Tyler's dad in the ABC Life on Mars remake premiering this week. If you've watched the original, you know his dad plays an important role in the series 1 finale.

I love this show and it sucks to see it get canceled but really what does fox expect, it is playing at the same time as heroes so I pvr it and watch it on wednesday when there is nothing on tv anyways.

Actually Heroes has been plummeting in viewership since its series premiere in 06. If Terminator is being beaten by Heroes in viewers, then Heroes is being destroyed by Dancing with the Stars in the same time slot - twice as many people watch Dancing than Heroes.

[danman227460]

If it were that easy, why wasn't the directive deleted when she was initially reprogrammed?

And the bit about the robots wanting peace was just a failed attempt to trick her captive.

I assume that they never could fully delete the programming but they managed to suppress it and use their own programming. It hasn't be revealed on how they manage to do that.

It reminded me of T3, where the female robot wrote over Arnold's programming and revealed his base programming. Though that could have just been her rewritting his programming with hers which was to kill John.

It isn't hard to imagine some robots who grew pass the original programming and started thinking for themselves. If a computer can grow into a murdering machine, some can grow into peace wanting robots.

[jhardy]

But if Cameron really was part of a "good" skynet, she/it wouldn't have killed Allison.

[mcewen]

She can't. Near the beginning of season 2, she went haywire and her prime directive of killing John came back but she later deleted that directive so that is no longer part of her program. Though it doesn't mean she won't keep having flashbacks and the reason why she was sent to John's camp. Remember, she was the one who said that some robots want peace, that could mean she was part of it too.

I seem to recall (but my memory isn't 100% in my old age), that when John put the chip back in Cameron's head, after she rebooted, it said "mission: terminate.... override".

I think this tells us more about Cameron than we have alluded to so far.

How can a computer... a logic based, black or white (no grey) terminator over ride its programming? There must have been some sort of evolution that took place at that moment.

I propose that Cameron became sentient at that moment. A subsequent episode, where cameron "becomes" Allison.. supports this view, although in a distorted way.

I can only hope that this story line gets explained before the show gets cancelled.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Last night's episode was great. I liked the allusion of "The Wizard of Oz" to John, Derek, Martin, and the Terminator.

Cameron: "Do you want a bedtime story?" :D

[felix]

Yes, loved the episode. Had lots of everything. The ratings went up a bit too ...

http://www.terminatorsite.com


No new episode next week. Be sure to tune in October 20 for the next episode.

[felix]

Possible Deleted Scene :

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99407

Interesting scene with Catherine Weaver and her daughter Savannah.

[rabbit]

Do these characters have unlimited money or something? They're living in a palace, and drive an SUV with GPS. Being on the run, destroying terminators, must be pretty profitable.

[mcewen]

I just watched this weeks episode last night... I gotta say.. I am REALLY liking this season.

Does anyone have confirmation about the cancellation? If so.. how many episodes have already been filmed?

[McLaren]

Do these characters have unlimited money or something? They're living in a palace, and drive an SUV with GPS. Being on the run, destroying terminators, must be pretty profitable.

I think they robbed a bank in the first season and ran away with a bag of cash.

[Venom Soldier]

As well, they took a bag of diamonds and maybe some other valuables from the safe of the resistance fighters.

Btw, has anybody else noticed the obvious product placement of the new Dodge Ram? For at least 2 episodes now, they make it very obvious that it is a Dodge (constantly showing the logo) and in the last episode they were showing the different cargo holds and numerous shots of the vehicle.

Overall the season is going well, hope it continues!

[Lone_Prodigy]

As well, they took a bag of diamonds and maybe some other valuables from the safe of the resistance fighters.

Btw, has anybody else noticed the obvious product placement of the new Dodge Ram? For at least 2 episodes now, they make it very obvious that it is a Dodge (constantly showing the logo) and in the last episode they were showing the different cargo holds and numerous shots of the vehicle.

Overall the season is going well, hope it continues!

Yeah, most likely it's to counter the amount of PVR/online viewers skipping commercials.

[Ryan]

Uh oh!
http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/News/ContentPosting?newsitemid=81371037&feedname=CP-TECHNOLOGY&show=False&number=10&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=True

[Lone_Prodigy]

Uh oh!
http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/News/ContentPosting?newsitemid=81371037&feedname=CP-TECHNOLOGY&show=False&number=10&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=True

Don't scare me! I thought it was a link to its cancellation! :mad:

[Venom Soldier]

Don't scare me! I thought it was a link to its cancellation! :mad:

lol, same here!

[uberdealer]

please don't cancel this show!

(cancel prison break! its getting old!)

[thendless]

Uh oh!
http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/News/ContentPosting?newsitemid=81371037&feedname=CP-TECHNOLOGY&show=False&number=10&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=True

Cyberdyne! The end is coming!!!!!!!!!

[Little Dragon]

i also am really loving this series. i didn't think it'd be this good as a tv series. i hope they somehow fit it in with the new t4 movie :P

[danman227460]

i also am really loving this series. i didn't think it'd be this good as a tv series. i hope they somehow fit it in with the new t4 movie :P

What I heard is that T4 is actually part one of the reboot of the series. So instead of the present, it is all about the war between machines and humans.

[flyingdutchman]

so what does this last episode have anything to do with the previous one? Episode 4 ended with Allison/Cameron and John and this one is about killing the Badell's...

[silentio]

Do these characters have unlimited money or something? They're living in a palace, and drive an SUV with GPS. Being on the run, destroying terminators, must be pretty profitable.


Cameron was giving away money, thousands of dollars in 100's just 2 episodes ago.. :D

I also noticed cameron 3 episodes ago chased John after he ran off on her in the parking lot, and left behind a large LCD tv on the back of the truck (I wonder if anyone stole it). Why would a family constantly running away need a giant tv?

[Blunt]

Cameron was giving away money, thousands of dollars in 100's just 2 episodes ago.. :D

I also noticed cameron 3 episodes ago chased John after he ran off on her in the parking lot, and left behind a large LCD tv on the back of the truck (I wonder if anyone stole it). Why would a family constantly running away need a giant tv?


MAybe it was another product placement.
"We're being stalked by robots from the future, and in our off time, we enjoy our HD tv made by ..." :)

[manixc]

I love this episode. Now I am even more curious if Weaver is a good robot or bad robot.

[silentio]

What i really want to know is if Weaver's daughter is a machine as well. Would be fun if that girl is tinier version of her, and morphs into a silver attack dog :D

[felix]

I also noticed cameron 3 episodes ago chased John after he ran off on her in the parking lot, and left behind a large LCD tv on the back of the truck (I wonder if anyone stole it). Why would a family constantly running away need a giant tv?
Do you mean the episode where Cameron was loading a big heavy box onto the back of the truck, with an older couple staring at them? I think those were computers. Sarah sent John and Cameron to purchase computers.

[jaszy]

Once again... mmm, Summer Glau.

[manixc]

Is there an episode this week?

[corrupt123]

Is there an episode this week?

Week of 13-17? Nope.

[manixc]

thx.

[felix]

GOOD NEWS: FOX Orders A Full Season Of Terminator: SCC!

Those worried that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles would be headed toward cancellation can worry no more - FOX has ordered a full season for Season 2, as reported by Variety.

The decision is said to have been made late on Friday.

Congratulations to the cast and crew on the good news! Now let's hope the show can continue to grow ratings-wise!

Don't forget a new episode airs on Monday, October 20!


sources : http://www.terminatorsite.com

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/17/fox-orders-full-season-of-terminator-sarah-connor-chronicles/6439

[Angela V]

YES! I was getting worried that TSCC would become a cursed Fox show. :)

[Lone_Prodigy]

Yay more Summer!

New episode tomorrow.

[Rometiklan]

GOOD NEWS: FOX Orders A Full Season Of Terminator: SCC!

Those worried that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles would be headed toward cancellation can worry no more - FOX has ordered a full season for Season 2, as reported by Variety.

The decision is said to have been made late on Friday.

Congratulations to the cast and crew on the good news! Now let's hope the show can continue to grow ratings-wise!

Don't forget a new episode airs on Monday, October 20!


sources : http://www.terminatorsite.com

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/17/fox-orders-full-season-of-terminator-sarah-connor-chronicles/6439

That certainly comes as good news. Glad someone at Fox finally grew a brain. I think TSCC deserves a chance even though the ratings haven't picked up steam yet.

[corrupt123]

That certainly comes as good news. Glad someone at Fox finally grew a brain. I think TSCC deserves a chance even though the ratings haven't picked up steam yet.

I'd just like to put this out there: Most of us (I assume) are watching TSCC online... I know I am. Is there anything those of us in the same boat as me can do to show fox we're watching the show?

I don't have cable so the interweb is pretty much my only option, but I'll sit through commercials if I get to keep seeing summer! :cheesygri

[mcewen]

WTH??? How many people are they gonna bring back from the future.. pretty soon there won't be anyone back in the future!!!

[felix]

Is it frozen for anyone else on Fox HD (531 Rogers)? It's been like this for the past few minutes (since the scene when Cameron walks in the building with the new female terminator). So annoying. Seems to happen often with Rogers HD.

[rockthecasbah]

I'm really getting tired of the cheesy EXTRA SLOW-MO action sequences, like in tonight's episode after the gun was shot.

And PARTICULARLY in the season 2 premiere. It was seems unnecessarily drawn out and done in an annoying way. Used effectively, it could be a great visual effect but it seems like they do this for the hell of it.

Anyway, I am so glad FOX extended the season. FOX is known for cutting shows prematurely and the fact that they are keeping it around is great news. I just hope that viewership picks up and they don't just order the full season and then never air all the episodes.

[felix]

I'm really getting tired of the cheesy EXTRA SLOW-MO action sequences, like in tonight's episode after the gun was shot.

Same here. Should voice your opinion on the other Terminator forums (official forums and other fan sites). This is the only way they will fix it. Otherwise others say they love these effects with the garbage music and the show will keep on doing it over and over again.

[mcewen]

to clarify....
The woman who was killed by the new female terminator.... who was that? Was that the female soldier who came back or was that the Shrinks receptionist? (or were they the same person?).

And how did 90210 guy know where she was going to be? It was like he was on a stakeout.

SP - I love Cameron's one liner's! She rocks.

[Venom Soldier]

to clarify....
The woman who was killed by the new female terminator.... who was that? Was that the female soldier who came back or was that the Shrinks receptionist? (or were they the same person?).

And how did 90210 guy know where she was going to be? It was like he was on a stakeout.

SP - I love Cameron's one liner's! She rocks.

The woman killed was the receptionist for the shrink. The same one that mentions to Shirley Manson's terminator that her daughter looks a lot like her.

The female soldier from the future is a completely different character, they left that subplot hanging after showing her putting photos of John and Derrick away.

I think Derrick just happened to see her when she was out for a run...maybe she planned it that way (considering the photos)?

Episode was pretty good, just suxs that the next episode is in 2 weeks!

[Lone_Prodigy]

I'm really getting tired of the cheesy EXTRA SLOW-MO action sequences, like in tonight's episode after the gun was shot.

I agree, it was unnecessary in that instance.

The role of Weaver gets more and more interesting. Sherman (the shrink) is hired to "raise" the Turk, yet Skynet sends a Terminator back to kill him. Either Weaver is a rogue Terminator or Skynet didn't like his "father figure."

Same here. Should voice your opinion on the other Terminator forums (official forums and other fan sites). This is the only way they will fix it. Otherwise others say they love these effects with the garbage music and the show will keep on doing it over and over again.

Did you mean "garbage" as in "trash" or "Garbage" as in Shirley Manson's band? :D

[GateGuardian]

I think that was the fugliest terminator sent back yet :P

[corrupt123]

I think that was the fugliest terminator sent back yet :P

Agreed. No wonder she only lasted a few minutes :lol:

I don't know if Weaver is working for skynet. Obviously it fits, but you raise a good point: what was that other terminator there for? Only other solution I could see if that he (the shrink) does help connor and the gang somewhat in the coming episodes, so it was more efficient to have him eliminated.

The producers really need to be careful about constantly sending people back though... It's getting to the point where it seems like anyone and everyone can come back. If thats the case, why not send back 100 terminators and just take care of things early? They've got to watch out for the butterfly effect.

[huthut]

I think that was the fugliest terminator sent back yet :P

Was that the only contortionist they could find? I'm thinking no, but was the cheapest.

[Rometiklan]

The producers really need to be careful about constantly sending people back though... It's getting to the point where it seems like anyone and everyone can come back. If thats the case, why not send back 100 terminators and just take care of things early? They've got to watch out for the butterfly effect.

Damn time traveling foreigners. Go back to their own time, why don't they? Stricter time immigration laws, I say.

[corrupt123]

Damn time traveling foreigners. Go back to their own time, why don't they? Stricter time immigration laws, I say.

Damn goo-backs! Dey Tuuk urrr jobs!

[rabbit]

I'm glad that the redhead chick got a new hairstyle, but she still looks pretty severe.

[Lone_Prodigy]

I'm glad that the redhead chick got a new hairstyle, but she still looks pretty severe.

"Now smile! Warmer... warmer... never mind."

[phillr]

I think i'm the only one, but I was really confused by seeing the two asian chicks in last week's episode (just watched it). When the receptionist got killed, I thought it was actually Jesse. Then I thought the new terminator started to impersonate Jesse. Then we see red-head terminator get trashed. Then at the end of the ep we see Jesse again, and then I got REALLY confused at what was going on. Big casting mistake IMHO. They need a black female to round things out.

[airodus]

I think i'm the only one, but I was really confused by seeing the two asian chicks in last week's episode (just watched it). When the receptionist got killed, I thought it was actually Jesse. Then I thought the new terminator started to impersonate Jesse. Then we see red-head terminator get trashed. Then at the end of the ep we see Jesse again, and then I got REALLY confused at what was going on. Big casting mistake IMHO. They need a black female to round things out.

Wait until you watch a show with more than one white chick. CONFUSING!!!

[manixc]

Jesse is hot. Mixed with a Australian accent. It's almost the prefect match

oh she was on Razor! that's why she looked so familiar.

[CSAgent]

I think i'm the only one, but I was really confused by seeing the two asian chicks in last week's episode (just watched it). When the receptionist got killed, I thought it was actually Jesse. Then I thought the new terminator started to impersonate Jesse. Then we see red-head terminator get trashed. Then at the end of the ep we see Jesse again, and then I got REALLY confused at what was going on. Big casting mistake IMHO. They need a black female to round things out.

wow, are you serious? I guess it's because all Asians lookalike to you non-Asian people isn't it... un-f$cking believable that you actually said that..

[Lone_Prodigy]

Oh come on, Jesse has a mole on her face, and the receptionist is unblemished. Then again, maybe you weren't paying much attention to her face. :D

[felix]

Too bad no new episode this week due to baseball world series. Had my PVR set to record it which ended up recording baseball instead. :(

Next new episode Monday, November 3rd.

[Rometiklan]

wow, are you serious? I guess it's because all Asians lookalike to you non-Asian people isn't it... un-f$cking believable that you actually said that..

HahA! I agree. I guess for some people's benefit, casting directors should never cast 2 Asians on the same show...too confusing. Gotcha. On the flip side, for Asian productions, Asian casting directors should never cast 2 non-Asians...too confusing.

[phillr]

...On the flip side, for Asian productions, Asian casting directors should never cast 2 non-Asians...too confusing.

To be fair, I am extremely confused when that occurs too.

[felix]

Was anyone else confused with this last episode? What was the deal with the diamond store and where did they get diamonds in the first place? (was it in the safe from season one? i don't remember)

[CSAgent]

(was it in the safe from season one? i don't remember)

yes, it was.

[Lone_Prodigy]

I am not liking Jesse. It seems like the producers are looking for any reason to have her in as little clothing as possible. Normally I wouldn't mind but her story is just confusing and useless.

Cameron is just awesome.

"My jacket, give it to me"
"Come and get it"
*pulls out gun*
"Come and give it to me"

[rabbit]

Man, this series is starting to suck. Too many storylines going on.

[corrupt123]

Man, this series is starting to suck. Too many storylines going on.

Ahh, I'd say they're treading that very fine line between too much and bearable... Thing is, unless a few of the current under-stories wrap themselves up pretty damn quickly they'll cross that line :|

Seems like the show is more and more about substories, rather than destorying terminators and ****. Bah..

[rabbit]

- two girlie-action storylines
- FBI guy in two different 'adventures'
- the first bad-guy Terminator in this series (the one impersonating the actor)
- the redhead Terminator and her daughter (one shot episode, for now, which is kind of pointless if it only is a one shot)

Sarah Connor is the star, but she's only in the main storyline.

[CSAgent]

Yeah, I thought their primary objective has been to prevent SkyNet being built...again, for the 3rd time now.. I guess 3rd time's a charm. The last few episodes didn't even touch base on that. The T-1001/Weaver and Ellison thing is going at such a slow pace... What happened to that psychiatrist guy she hired to "raise" SkyNet?

[GateGuardian]

Very good ep. last night. One of my favourite this season.

[josh16]

Very good ep. last night. One of my favourite this season.

+1 great episode. Did anyone else think Cameron was gonna seduce John when she went to "talk to him" :D Anyone else under the impression that she is now in love with John?

[felix]

+1 great episode. Did anyone else think Cameron was gonna seduce John when she went to "talk to him" :D Anyone else under the impression that she is now in love with John?
Yup, that part was funny. Cameron can't feel love because she is a robot. :-0

[napoleon1769]

Why did she undress before going into the room then?

[josh16]

Yup, that part was funny. Cameron can't feel love because she is a robot. :-0

I know she can't feel real love but it felt like she did love him because in John's room she said " sometimes you do stupid things, and you made me understand why" and later on in the show when Derek and Cameron were in the jail looking for him she said "I can't let anything happen to him." And i know that her mission is to protect john but it sounded like it was a personal she really cared. Anyways that's just my 2cents :D

[mcewen]

+1 great episode. Did anyone else think Cameron was gonna seduce John when she went to "talk to him" :D Anyone else under the impression that she is now in love with John?


I think that was her objective.... make John forget about his girlfriend.... get his physical needs met by Cameron..... If I was John..... oh forget it...Cam doesn't play nice with other women.

[rockthecasbah]

Yeah it was a pretty good episode.

Though as a sidenote, it's kinda funny how Sarah and John (and I think Derek too) are ALWAYS wearing those combat boots. Do they seriously not have other shoes to wear?

I'm not a big fan of Riley. Can't put my finger on it exactly but just not a fan.

Shame that they renew it but then move it to Fridays next year. Kiss of death :( I really hope it survives. Ghost Whisperer seems to do well on a Friday, hope the same will happen for TSCC.

[rabbit]

>> Cameron can't feel love because she is a robot.

> I know she can't feel real love but it felt like she did love him because in John's room she said

From a previous episode, I was under the impression that when Cameron was human, she was together with John.

[silentio]

The other terminator from last episode said that cameron's chip was damaged.

When did her chip get damaged?

Moving to Fridays always means the series will get canned by end of S2. It's a real shame, it's one of my fav shows.

[josh16]

The other terminator from last episode said that cameron's chip was damaged.

When did her chip get damaged?

Moving to Fridays always means the series will get canned by end of S2. It's a real shame, it's one of my fav shows.

the final episode of season 1/first episode of season 2 the car bomb (the jeep)

[airodus]

Yes, last episode finally picked up quite well. But now with Cromartie gone, they have nothing left to do but go back to the terrible Weaver plot. Well, we'll see. But I think the last episode was the best of the series so far.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Yes, last episode finally picked up quite well. But now with Cromartie gone, they have nothing left to do but go back to the terrible Weaver plot. Well, we'll see. But I think the last episode was the best of the series so far.

I think ending the Cromartie plot was good: he's been around since the pilot, so he was in danger of becoming stale.

[Super strokey]

I jsut watch teh pilot for this, i was very impressed. I will post back once i watch the whole first season. COuld be a good series

[dealzuser]

Just watched the latest episode - "Complications". Really good. I also thought it was going downhill a bit with too many distracting story lines. But they are actually all getting interesting.

[rabbit]

Yeah, I always like the 'time is a circle' theory; you go back in time to change the past, but what you end up doing is creating the future you came from.

[corrupt123]

Yeah, I always like the 'time is a circle' theory; you go back in time to change the past, but what you end up doing is creating the future you came from.

Yeah, I like that they've started toying with that. I didn't like all the dreams though, that was ********

[mcewen]

Oh come on..... you mean that Riley is from the future too?????

That story line should just get cancelled... shoot her! And 90210's girlfriend.

[felix]

Why didn't Cameron look at the chip before walking away from the transaction? She's obviously never bought anything off BST forums before. :D

[Riffer]

Why didn't Cameron look at the chip before walking away from the transaction? She's obviously never bought anything off BST forums before. :D

Lol!

[cheapmeister]

I know, like why didn't they test the chip at the time of purchase by hooking it up to a laptop?
And who found Chromartie?

[felix]

And who found Chromartie?
Last episode, Ellison dug up Cromartie's body after Sarah and the gang went back home to get some explosives and destroy it. Sarah and Cameron went to search Ellison's house but he hid Cromartie in the trunk, then later brought it to his employer, Weaver. This is another plot hole, because logically they would have brought it with them to destroy at home like they did the last one.

[rockthecasbah]

The way they tried to mirror the father and son situation with Sarah and John's situation was kind of strange. So the father did all that to make sure his son was "taken care of" [financially]? And then the bringing up of the father not understanding what the son says half the time? Not sure how that correlates with wanting to scam someone out of money...

Other points
- I'm happy to see Sarah actually not wearing those damn combat boots in this entire episode, and her hair fixed up. I'm a fan of Lena Headey but in TSCC, her hair sometimes looks really haggard and mullet-y. Speaking of those combat boots that Sarah and John seem to be such fans of, I was watching the pilot and some first season episodes and in the pilot for sure, they actually used to wear *gasp* normal shoes.
- Ugh Riley. I never liked her and something always seemed off to me, I just attributed it her annoyingness. And now they have to make her a bigger part of the story, along with that other chick? I concur with the sentiment above, get rid of them. I would rather see more of Warren from Buffy (last week's episode) than these two, more so Riley.
- LOL @ Sarah beating the crap out of that guy. I get that she's supposed to be a strong female but there are some strange inconsistencies. She can literally throw this guy around like a rag doll but with Sarkissian and his men, it wasn't exactly like that.

Well it sucks that there are just 3 more episodes in December and then a LONGGGGGG hiatus until 13th February 2009 :(

[CSAgent]

Cameron looked HOT in this episode in that strapless black dress. Something about slim, athletic women and black dresses.. She looked so much like a friend of mine... Hmm, I should give her a call and see what's up.... :lol::D

Gee, Riley's from the future too? Give me a break, is time travel like a regular thing in the future? Why don't they just send back regular, sane, qualified people to stop the war rather than all of these delinquents with psychiatric issues??

[felix]

Gee, Riley's from the future too? Give me a break, is time travel like a regular thing in the future? Why don't they just send back regular, sane, qualified people to stop the war rather than all of these delinquents with psychiatric issues??
Because everyone in the future has gone insane from fighting those robots.

Both Cameron and Sarah looked amazing in this episode!

[rabbit]

> Last episode, Ellison dug up Cromartie's body after Sarah and the gang went back home to get some explosives and destroy it.
...
This is another plot hole, because logically they would have brought it with them to destroy at home like they did the last one.

Customs agents could search the car when they crossed the Mexico/USA border.

[felix]

Customs agents could search the car when they crossed the Mexico/USA border.
Still they could have destroyed it before reaching the border.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Customs agents could search the car when they crossed the Mexico/USA border.

Yet Ellison had no trouble getting it to Weaver.

Riley does not necessarily have to be from the future: she just could've been picked by Jesse to be her spy, though her emo rant suggests she came back.

[airodus]

Cameron looked HOT in this episode in that strapless black dress. Something about slim, athletic women and black dresses.. She looked so much like a friend of mine... Hmm, I should give her a call and see what's up.... :lol::D

Gee, Riley's from the future too? Give me a break, is time travel like a regular thing in the future? Why don't they just send back regular, sane, qualified people to stop the war rather than all of these delinquents with psychiatric issues??

Yes. Talk about an eye rolling revelation. I wish there would be more focus on John, but it seems they are content to just cycle through filler plots. I was interested in the whole psychologist thread, but obviously that isn't going anywhere. I really think they need new writers, cause they haven't really impressed me with the exception of 1 or 2 shows the entire series. The only reason I watch is cause I'm a terminator nut and the chicks are hot.

[rabbit]

>> Customs agents could search the car when they crossed the Mexico/USA border.

> Yet Ellison had no trouble getting it to Weaver.

Sure, because he used to be FBI. Either he still has enough credentials or he knows people who can get him through with a phonecall.



>> Customs agents could search the car when they crossed the Mexico/USA border.

> Still they could have destroyed it before reaching the border.

I think with what went on in the past and present, it was a little too hot for them to hang out in Mexico, looking for stuff to melt the terminator with. It's one thing to go back directly to wherever they hid him, which I assume isn't a high traffic area, and another to go shopping down there.



Sure, they probably could have found a workaround, but it's fiction, and characters make decisions to fit the story :).

[silentio]

The way they tried to mirror the father and son situation with Sarah and John's situation was kind of strange. So the father did all that to make sure his son was "taken care of" [financially]? And then the bringing up of the father not understanding what the son says half the time? Not sure how that correlates with wanting to scam someone out of money...

Other points
- I'm happy to see Sarah actually not wearing those damn combat boots in this entire episode, and her hair fixed up. I'm a fan of Lena Headey but in TSCC, her hair sometimes looks really haggard and mullet-y. Speaking of those combat boots that Sarah and John seem to be such fans of, I was watching the pilot and some first season episodes and in the pilot for sure, they actually used to wear *gasp* normal shoes.
- Ugh Riley. I never liked her and something always seemed off to me, I just attributed it her annoyingness. And now they have to make her a bigger part of the story, along with that other chick? I concur with the sentiment above, get rid of them. I would rather see more of Warren from Buffy (last week's episode) than these two, more so Riley.
- LOL @ Sarah beating the crap out of that guy. I get that she's supposed to be a strong female but there are some strange inconsistencies. She can literally throw this guy around like a rag doll but with Sarkissian and his men, it wasn't exactly like that.

Well it sucks that there are just 3 more episodes in December and then a LONGGGGGG hiatus until 13th February 2009 :(


When's Heroes going off the air and when's it coming back? I havent checked the other thread because i havent watched all of last week's yet

[cheapmeister]

Tonights episode:

I think Rileys purpose is to make John have a "normal" teenage gf and life. She also keeps John from going after Cameron cause she looks hot.

Cameron hanging out in the library, wow, she was too funny, weighing him and all, lol.

Sarah is still following the the trail of the three dot logo that were left on the wall, seems pointless.

What happened to Ellison and Chromartie?

[mcewen]

Tonights
Sarah is still following the the trail of the three dot logo that were left on the wall, seems pointless.


did anyone notice the "three dots" when Cameron was looking in the sky to pinpoint the date.....? Could have been what Sarah was looking for?

This episode was very different from all the past.... (a potential jump the shark moment - or was that the dream episode.... time will tell)..... personally.. I hope they get back to the whole Let's Stop Skynet mission soon, because it seems they are getting off track lately.

[sixer]

My 2nd favourite tv show right now, next week's episode looks great!

[corrupt123]

did anyone notice the "three dots" when Cameron was looking in the sky to pinpoint the date.....? Could have been what Sarah was looking for?

This episode was very different from all the past.... (a potential jump the shark moment - or was that the dream episode.... time will tell)..... personally.. I hope they get back to the whole Let's Stop Skynet mission soon, because it seems they are getting off track lately.

I noticed the 3 dots when she looked up too. It'll be interesting to see if it's the link... though IMO it must be.

Anyways, I agree. Last nights episode was awesome, probably the best one I've seen this season. It's very likely because we spent most of it watching Cameron, but whatever I'm satisfied :twisted:

[VenomZeus]

The last episode was great!

How are the ratings lately?

[felix]

How are the ratings lately?
The ratings went up this past episode!

http://www.terminatorsite.com

[rabbit]

Yeah, that might have been the best episode in the series so far. I like how they took a mystery that could have filled a whole movie and crammed it into less than an hour :).

[Rometiklan]

Interesting episode this week. It was a little disjointed, a couple of different flashbacks running parallel to the main plot. I barely noticed John wasn't even in this episode which probably says a lot about how strong this cast is when one of the main characters isn't even missed.

[Venom Soldier]

Yeah, I actually got a bit bored watching this episode. A big let down from last week...though to be fair, it wasn't that bad.

[cheapmeister]

I liked tonights episode. Riley is from the future, they said her job is to keep John distracted from Cameron. Does John like female robots more than women in the future so they want John to like a real woman (Riley) and not fall for Cameron(terminator)?

Sarah gone on a solo mission, looks like she is going after gunships or r/c craft. BTW, was her informant a man dressed as a woman, or a man that got a sex change? Tranny?

Agent Ellison teaching the future skynet, can't wait to see the fighting scene.

[felix]

I thought this episode was probably the worst of the series so far. We have Sarah chasing UFO's, John arguing with Cameron again, no new revelations about Weaver, Riley, or Jesse, Ellison replacing Dr. Sherman with teaching the turk, and Derek missing in action again.

The cliffhangers were decent though. Looking forward to February in its new Friday night timeslot. The preview shows Kyle Reese somehow back from the dead! :)

[mcewen]

I thought this episode was probably the worst of the series so far. We have Sarah chasing UFO's, John arguing with Cameron again, no new revelations about Weaver, Riley, or Jesse, Ellison replacing Dr. Sherman with teaching the turk, and Derek missing in action again.

The cliffhangers were decent though. Looking forward to February in its new Friday night timeslot. The preview shows Kyle Reese somehow back from the dead! :)

Agreed.. this was definitely a jump the shark episode.... come on... UFO's?????? WTF?

And really... we don't know exactly WHO Jesse told Riley to keep John away from.... Cameron or his mom. I got the feeling in a previous episode that Jesse thought that Sarah was not helping the cause and was ticked at her.

[rabbit]

> I liked tonights episode. Riley is from the future, they said her job is to keep John distracted from Cameron.

As the previous post mentioned, it's not a given that it's to separate Riley from Cameron. In fact, I think it's actually to separate (put some distance between) John and his mother, in order to make John more independent.

In any case, another sucky episode, with tangents running wild in the series. Mind you, I still keep watching :D. Flash Gordon was better than this.

[silentio]

F hell. Both heroes and terminator are gone till Feb?? There is nothing left on.

[CSAgent]

Is it me or is the series going so damn slow... I'm getting bored of watching this. I use to look forward to seeing this show but lately, there hasn't been much revelation or answers, it's just more questions being raised...

[felix]

Agreed.. this was definitely a jump the shark episode.... come on... UFO's?????? WTF?

And really... we don't know exactly WHO Jesse told Riley to keep John away from.... Cameron or his mom. I got the feeling in a previous episode that Jesse thought that Sarah was not helping the cause and was ticked at her.
In a previous episode, Jesse confronted Derek about not telling her that he was living with "it" ... "metal" ... and admitted she was sent back from the future to separate Cameron from John.

[snplow]

Agreed.. this was definitely a jump the shark episode.... come on... UFO's?????? WTF?

And really... we don't know exactly WHO Jesse told Riley to keep John away from.... Cameron or his mom. I got the feeling in a previous episode that Jesse thought that Sarah was not helping the cause and was ticked at her.

I don't think those are UFOs but the future flying machines of skynet. I remember the flying machines from the future having some resemblance the flying prototype that Sarah saw.

[CoffeeAddict]

It totally looked like the Skynet flying machines
I never though it was a UFO.. more like a prototype for future flying machines. The sound was definitely reminiscent of, or identical to the sound the Skynet flying machines made in the movies.

[Rometiklan]

Meh. It was an okay episode but not up to the usual standards I've come to expect. Finally some development to the Riley character, who seemed like a fifth wheel ever since she was introduced.

[corrupt123]

Meh. It was an okay episode but not up to the usual standards I've come to expect. Finally some development to the Riley character, who seemed like a fifth wheel ever since she was introduced.

Then they go and kill her off... hahaha

[Lone_Prodigy]

That was a strange episode, probably because nothing really got resolved. I still find it very hard to like Jesse and Riley. Anyone see the preview? Kyle Reese is back.

[rockthecasbah]

The ratings aren't very good and that was the last time it would be on a Monday night (will move to Fridays :( ) but as a cliffhanger episode and one to draw in more viewers, it was not very good. I'm a fan of the show and I myself was confused or not terribly interested in the episode so imagine a person who just flipped by it.

I hope when Kyle Reese comes back, it picks up and gets more viewers.

[xpoint9]

back on 13 February 2009

[Lone_Prodigy]

Back this Friday! I've sort of forgotten about this show since 24 came out, so my expectations are a lot higher now (since 24 rocks right now).

[CSAgent]

Friday time slots is where shows go to die! The targeted demographics are not home glued to the TV on Friday nights, so it will be very hard for this show to last another season.

Likewise with Flashpoint, which used to be on Thursday nights now on Friday nights as well. Too bad as I rather liked it a lot, takes place in Toronto, it's a Canadian production in partnership with CBS. Ah well...

[airodus]

As much as I love the Terminator franchise, I've been less than enthused with the writing of this show. Hopefully it improves enough to move time-slots again, but my gut feeling is that it won't be lasting past this season.

[Rometiklan]

As much as I love the Terminator franchise, I've been less than enthused with the writing of this show. Hopefully it improves enough to move time-slots again, but my gut feeling is that it won't be lasting past this season.

I suspect so, as well. The show barely got picked up for a second season. With that in mind, we might see the show try to resolve its plot threads before it gets axed.

[GateGuardian]

Did this show get moved to Friday?

[Lone_Prodigy]

It was on at 8:00pm tonight. Kind of a meh episode: Kyle was cool, but very slow and not enough Cameron. Glad they started on Weaver's story now: should start picking up soon.

[mcewen]

is this on any other time than friday?
I was out of town and forgot to pvr it.

[airodus]

It was on at 8:00pm tonight. Kind of a meh episode: Kyle was cool, but very slow and not enough Cameron. Glad they started on Weaver's story now: should start picking up soon.

I thought Kyle looked silly. Like a little kid who is trying to overcompensate with some spotty facial hair. Unfortunately I couldn't really look past that.

[rabbit]

Heh heh. Now that you mention it, Kyle did look like that. Chimp pubes. :D

Man, let Riley die, and close that storyline already. Now that the BSG Razor chick knows that Derrick is around for John to talk to, there's no need for her big plan (or what she says is her plan).

[Lone_Prodigy]

I thought Kyle looked silly. Like a little kid who is trying to overcompensate with some spotty facial hair. Unfortunately I couldn't really look past that.

True, like John trying to look older.

[Rometiklan]

I thought Kyle looked silly. Like a little kid who is trying to overcompensate with some spotty facial hair. Unfortunately I couldn't really look past that.

HahA! Try as I might, I just couldn't imagine Kyle protecting Sarah from the Terminator. The Terminator would pick that guy up by the scruff and laugh his cybernetic ass off. He's even still wearing that crappy jacket he ripped off the bum and the Nikes he stole.

An interesting episode though. Some subtle commentary in Ellison's scenes with John Henry. At first I thought the whole scene was just really odd, and what purpose was it trying to serve, but after I thought about it, it was probably the most interesting scene in the whole episode for me.

The guy who played Trip on Enterprise was the sheriff. It took me about 10 minutes to figure out who that guy was. He looked familiar and it was really bugging me. Talk about "out of context".

[S_G]

The guy who played Trip on Enterprise was the sheriff. It took me about 10 minutes to figure out who that guy was. He looked familiar and it was really bugging me. Talk about "out of context".I noticed him immediately, having just started watching Enterprise myself. What's up with suddenly turning him into an abusive husband at the end? Talk about weird. I was hoping for a bit that he'd become another semi-main character. You know, another cop looking for that Sarah Connor...

[airodus]

I noticed him immediately, having just started watching Enterprise myself. What's up with suddenly turning him into an abusive husband at the end? Talk about weird. I was hoping for a bit that he'd become another semi-main character. You know, another cop looking for that Sarah Connor...

Yah, that was pretty odd. It seemed completely illogical and out of character (he seemed like a decent guy before that scene). Also, when you bust in on a room with some random dude pointing a gun at your wife (or ex), why would you go crazy on her? I mean, hello? Random dude with gun? Hello?

He basically pissed her off so much that she decided to shoot his ass.

[Lone_Prodigy]

An interesting episode though. Some subtle commentary in Ellison's scenes with John Henry. At first I thought the whole scene was just really odd, and what purpose was it trying to serve, but after I thought about it, it was probably the most interesting scene in the whole episode for me.

Could you explain? I tried to think about it but then my head started hurting: too much Shakespeare can do that to you.

[Rometiklan]

Could you explain? I tried to think about it but then my head started hurting: too much Shakespeare can do that to you.

I think John Henry was making an indirect comment about the apparent flawed design of the human body. And if God had created man in his image, and God is perfect, then why is human design flawed compared to the much more efficient design of the ball and socket joints of his action figures. At least that's what I got out of it. I think the conversation runs even deeper than that, or there's more to it, but I didn't really venture beyond what I already stated.

[felix]

Another new episode tonight!

[airodus]

OK i fell asleep about 4 times in the last episode. Was I tired, or was it really that bad? I should probably download it or something, but I don't know if it is worth the bandwidth.

[felix]

This last episode was very boring. Seems like another filler episode. :(

[Lone_Prodigy]

OK i fell asleep about 4 times in the last episode. Was I tired, or was it really that bad? I should probably download it or something, but I don't know if it is worth the bandwidth.

It was really slow. Some of the dialogue left me scratching my head, and it was really anticlimatic (ooh the drone). The scene with Savannah was probably the best: "Your lap is cold."

[carmaster]

This show is missing too slow.

[Krox]

I thought last week's episode was slow, boy was I wrong.

[airodus]

omg bad bad bad. seriously, who writes this stuff. everything is so heavy that its turned into nonsense. they should send cameron and john back to school.

[spm24]

anyone else watch that and realize they just wasted a hour of there life.... i mean seriously . there was little to no plot advance



your real..... your real .... BANG!

shows going to **** , are they even signed on to finish this season ?

[ephemera]

since they moved to friday's the show has gone downhill.

[carmaster]

Terrible episode yesterday. This series is going to be cancelled soon.

[napoleon1769]

Horrible series. I lost interest after the first couple episodes.

[spike-spiegel]

what happened to this show?!?!?!?!?

after they killed off cromaterie, seems like the show has no story to tell. or the story has been moving at snail pace.

i really wanted this show to do good because it has great potential, but the pacing is killing it.

the story movement for entire recent two episodes would have been done in a couple of scenes back in season 1.

i think this show is going to be cancelled at the end of the season for sure now, unless they are building up to something big.

[felix]

It's been slow the past few episodes but it will get better according to previews/spoilers and hopefully will tie up loose ends by end of the season (because it will probably be the last with the current low ratings).

[belowzeros]

what happened to this show?!?!?!?!?

after they killed off cromaterie, seems like the show has no story to tell. or the story has been moving at snail pace.


oh yea that is because that whole monster climactic pace was right before they got their full season / continuation order. now they are just treading water riding the gravy train.

still some good moments but it could be better. it could have been worse too altho BAG is pretty hated among the nerd circles...must be the 90210 thing cuz I don't mind him. he's better than the whole john conner i wanna get laid and am so full of teen angst nonsense hehe


It will all be better soon....Moon Bloodgood is incoming this summer wootwoot

[spike-spiegel]

oh yea that is because that whole monster climactic pace was right before they got their full season / continuation order. now they are just treading water riding the gravy train.

still some good moments but it could be better. it could have been worse too altho BAG is pretty hated among the nerd circles...must be the 90210 thing cuz I don't mind him. he's better than the whole john conner i wanna get laid and am so full of teen angst nonsense hehe


It will all be better soon....Moon Bloodgood is incoming this summer wootwoot


I guess the writers have decided to focus more on Sarah than anyone else, so maybe that's why the story seem so unnecessarily heavy at times.

I think Brian Austin Green has done a good job as Reese. Although his girlfriend has done nothing... same with Ellison. Everyone's else story except Sarah's has sorted just stopped for a while.

Too bad it won't be Bloodgood + Glau :D

[jokadeska]

yep. last episode was horrible and a complete waste of time...
apparantly next few eps will be better though when more focus is on summer!

we'll see if it can last another season...

[spike-spiegel]

Yup I hear the past few episodes were to really explore Sarah's character. I guess it just wasn't what we've come to expect from the Terminator mythology. But it's over now.

[airodus]

Yup I hear the past few episodes were to really explore Sarah's character. I guess it just wasn't what we've come to expect from the Terminator mythology. But it's over now.

I'm all for character development, but that was nonsensical and unwatchable.

[S_G]

Normally, it'd have bothered me that this show was moved to the Friday night death slot, but the writers obviously don't care about the show anyways. Great first season, really started going downhill in this one.

[sixer]

Don't give up on the show yet! The last few episodes of the season look really good!
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/exclusive-massi.html?cid=150391267


Great episode friday night, finally glad to see Riley get killed!

[jokadeska]

Great episode friday night, finally glad to see Riley get killed!

same here! finally she is gone from show. Didn't like her at all...

[rabbit]

Yeah, I was surprised that the episode was actually good! Too bad they didn't kill each other, though. Maybe next episode :).

[felix]

This past episode was much better, but the ratings have dropped yet again ... :(

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/07/friday-ratings-terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-crashes-down/14133

[Rometiklan]

Yeah, I was surprised that the episode was actually good! Too bad they didn't kill each other, though. Maybe next episode :).

Good episode. We finally learn Riley's true purpose. Her character was so played out, and always seemed like a fifth wheel. Glad they finally dropped the hammer on her.

Summer Glau has been really underused for the most part this season. Glad she got a bigger part in this episode.

Did the show get picked up for a third season? If not, they'll probably tie up all the loose threads and end it in grand style. I would hope it gets picked up in conjunction with the release of T4.

[airodus]

Thank god Riley died. Still would like the action to pick up. But I think it's really too late to salvage the season and I doubt it will be picked up next year.

[dealiah]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa OMG can't believe I decided to check out this thread!!!!
I missed the last episode . . . . talk about a hella spoiler sh*t

that's what I get for playing around on RFD huh... yikes!

[Rometiklan]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa OMG can't believe I decided to check out this thread!!!!
I missed the last episode . . . . talk about a hella spoiler sh*t

that's what I get for playing around on RFD huh... yikes!

Sorry about that dealiah. I should have put a spoiler warning.

[silentio]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa OMG can't believe I decided to check out this thread!!!!
I missed the last episode . . . . talk about a hella spoiler sh*t

that's what I get for playing around on RFD huh... yikes!


Cameron's also badly damaged this episode.

[Lone_Prodigy]

I just hope the finale has Cameron vs. Weaver. :D

[belowzeros]

Summer is on The Big Bang Theory tonight as herself, looked pretty funny from the promo ads.

[Rometiklan]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll set the timer to record this since I'll probably be watching the Canucks game tonight.

[dealiah]

Sorry about that dealiah. I should have put a spoiler warning.

I will find a way to get past it *sigh* :rolleyes:

Cameron's also badly damaged this episode.

OK, OK, I'm gonna watch it tonight - taped it from Space.
Cuz obviously I'm better off not lagging too far behind :eek: .

[airodus]

Summer is on The Big Bang Theory tonight as herself, looked pretty funny from the promo ads.

Hahah not a bad way to collect a paycheck. Sit on a train and look creeped out for 10 minutes.

[Rometiklan]

Hahah not a bad way to collect a paycheck. Sit on a train and look creeped out for 10 minutes.

She must be trying to expand her acting skills. Must be kind of restrictive acting as a Terminator. No emotions, robotic, and detached all the time. It was weird to see her smile. :lol:

[belowzeros]

She must be trying to expand her acting skills. Must be kind of restrictive acting as a Terminator. No emotions, robotic, and detached all the time. It was weird to see her smile. :lol:


is Terminator the first show you've seen her in? but I'd argue that playing a Terminator well can be a challenge too....well hmm I dunno the Governator did a pretty good job and he can't act either lol

[Rometiklan]

is Terminator the first show you've seen her in? but I'd argue that playing a Terminator well can be a challenge too....well hmm I dunno the Governator did a pretty good job and he can't act either lol

Yeah, I don't think I've even heard of Summer Glau prior to SCC.

[smithfan]

Yeah, I don't think I've even heard of Summer Glau prior to SCC.

Firefly\Serenity. She is\was in that.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Summer was catatonic through most of Serenity too. :D

[airodus]

Summer was catatonic through most of Serenity too. :D

Yah, I've often remarked how her new role isn't much of a change from her last.

Socially awkward, killing machine.

[rabbit]

She wasn't "normal" in her role in the 4400, either.

[belowzeros]

yea or on The Unit, she was a wackjob there too...i see a trend lol

[dealiah]

She wasn't "normal" in her role in the 4400, either.

Who did she play on 4400?;
don't remember her at all...

[belowzeros]

Who did she play on 4400?;
don't remember her at all...


I think her name was Tess, she was the 4400 that could control people. One of her bigger episodes is where she took over all the people in the diner and did that 50s dance-a-thon

[Chim3ra]

hey best is/was still River Tam, imo

but i will have to catch her on 4400

[dealiah]

I think her name was Tess, she was the 4400 that could control people. One of her bigger episodes is where she took over all the people in the diner and did that 50s dance-a-thon

oh thx. I totally remember the episode, just not her face.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Finally the show seems to be picking up steam. We will probably see why Jesse hates Cameron so much, and get some well-needed character development.

[jokadeska]

Finally the show seems to be picking up steam. We will probably see why Jesse hates Cameron so much, and get some well-needed character development.

*Spoiler*

any guesses on what the package is? Could it actually be cameron inside?
and why would they pick up something from the terminator? hm.....

[spm24]

*Spoiler*

any guesses on what the package is? Could it actually be cameron inside?
and why would they pick up something from the terminator? hm.....

terminators were used because it shows johns loyalty and trust towards the machines , in the future they portrayed john has many reporgramed terminators in his resistance .


they need to work on shirley manson's character more i mean as much as her characters gotten face time in the show there isnt much explained about her .

[Lone_Prodigy]

One of the best episodes this season: hopefully it'll keep it up and end on a high note.

[felix]

And the ratings have gone up this week too. Next few episodes should be pretty good.

[spike-spiegel]

And the ratings have gone up this week too. Next few episodes should be pretty good.

This episode was really good, ties up a lot of questions finally and sets up the finish. I have a feeling the series will still be canceled though.

[rabbit]

Yeah, this episode really surprised me by how good it was. I liked the development of John Henry. He's had more development than the cast of BSG combined.

Cool that there are more episodes. It really had the feel of a season finale.

[silentio]

Would fox tell you if the series was cancelled but they were still airing?

[gsrce]

Would fox tell you if the series was cancelled but they were still airing?

They might, but they also might not as to not lose viewers.

We'll see what they end up doing.

The episode the other night didn't really feel like a series finale, so let's hope we get another couple of seasons out of the show with a proper ending.

I personally really enjoy the show. Granted, there were some episodes that were filler and garbage, but you take the good with the bad with any show.

[corrupt123]

They might, but they also might not as to not lose viewers.

We'll see what they end up doing.

The episode the other night didn't really feel like a series finale, so let's hope we get another couple of seasons out of the show with a proper ending.

I personally really enjoy the show. Granted, there were some episodes that were filler and garbage, but you take the good with the bad with any show.


Yeah, but they're really pushing it with this show. Honestly, I've said it before and I'll say it again: It really seems like they've burned through their seasons budget and now they're just filling till next season, which means there probably won't be one.

Maybe it was wrong of me to expect a terminator TV show to be more action oriented than drama, but the last 3-4 episodes have been mostly people walking around and talking. Good for story development, but not 3-4 episodes in a row!

Plus, some of the sets/scenes seem way too fancy... I'd rather they spent money on good action squences than fancy sets for people to talk about their problems on.

Also, wtf was with the liquid metal from the future and "will you join us"?!?!? was he asking skynet? Or just that robot? And why would the robot say no and now go ape-**** on them? what the hell is the storyyyyyyyyy

[gsrce]

Also, wtf was with the liquid metal from the future and "will you join us"?!?!? was he asking skynet? Or just that robot? And why would the robot say no and now go ape-**** on them? what the hell is the storyyyyyyyyy

That's what I want to know. I hope we see more of the future if their is another season. I also want to know if the person who gave the box to the crew was of any importance, as they made sure to do a close up of him a few times, but I couldn't recognize him.

The way I see it is there are ranks in the machines, and John is trying to lure some of the rebellious lower ranked ones over to the humans side. The liquid metal was probably coming to negotiate with John and have some possible talks about allying, but the crew obviously screwed that up.

[belowzeros]

officially fox hasn't renewed or cancelled it. but it's ratings so far are all but a forgone conclusion. Friday's are generally where shows go to die (thanks fox).

but it's recent ratings swell have bumped up it's chances and might raise it up over cancellation to continuation (front 5 or 9). here's hoping.

[rabbit]

> And why would the robot say no and now go ape-**** on them? what the hell is the storyyyyyyyyy

Terminators aren't originally programmed to respect life. The T-888 saw that chick as a threat (her weapon was drawn), so it took care of her. It did leave the rest of the crew alone after they lowered their weapons.

[gsrce]

officially fox hasn't renewed or cancelled it. but it's ratings so far are all but a forgone conclusion. Friday's are generally where shows go to die (thanks fox).

but it's recent ratings swell have bumped up it's chances and might raise it up over cancellation to continuation (front 5 or 9). here's hoping.

I thought Fox is where shows went to die? =p

[Rometiklan]

Some interesting developments this past episode. Hope they can tie it all up before they cancel the show. I suspect they won't renew it next season.

[jokadeska]

Some interesting developments this past episode. Hope they can tie it all up before they cancel the show. I suspect they won't renew it next season.

I hope they have next season. There's only 2 episodes left right?
I don't see how they can tie everything up with his "brother" and all..

[spm24]

I hope they have next season. There's only 2 episodes left right?
I don't see how they can tie everything up with his "brother" and all..

i dont think they will ,

i think they are going for a cliffhanger ending, they still have plenty of things to discuss , Ie flying robot in the sky , the transmitter device , What is shirley manson up to with john henry or even where is john ?

cyberdene back door worm , they were long destroyed and the "brother" would be either from the future or "john henry"'s subroutine kicking in trying to take itself over

remember how change the rules was the last thing he said before the shutdown/reboot .

either way i think they need more then 2 episodes to clear it up they wasted to many on riley and sarah being kidnapped/looking for dots

[Rometiklan]

I hope they have next season. There's only 2 episodes left right?
I don't see how they can tie everything up with his "brother" and all..

If there are only 2 episodes left, then I can't see how they can tie it all up. But I can't see the show getting renewed either, but I could be wrong. If the show gets cancelled after doing a cliffhanger ending then maybe they will shoot a made-for-TV movie to end it properly.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Here are the plot points that I think need to be resolved:

-Jesse: dead or alive?
-John Henry's "brother": who is he? Is he working with Kaliba?
-is Kaliba related to Zeira, and therefore Weaver?
-what is Weaver's allegiance to Skynet and the Resistance? Is she the T-1000 on the Jimmy Carter sub?
-why was Cameron sent back when she's one of future John's closest confidantes?
-what does Cameron know about Derek's torture in S1 (passing reference last episode)?
-John's on a boat. Where is he?
-where is the drone? I'm guessing it was made by Kaliba, but the guy with it seems to have gone rogue.
-could Cameron get any hotter?

[airodus]

If there are only 2 episodes left, then I can't see how they can tie it all up. But I can't see the show getting renewed either, but I could be wrong. If the show gets cancelled after doing a cliffhanger ending then maybe they will shoot a made-for-TV movie to end it properly.

Yah, the future looks bleak hahah.

They obviously are not tying it up. I guess they were too on the bubble to know for sure. Lot's of shows don't get to wrap up properly before being cancelled. This is probably just going to join the long list of them. In a couple years, people will forget TSCC even existed.

But Jericho set a precedent for giving cancelled shows a sendoff. I think in that case enough fans made a big enough fuss (and sent enough peanuts) to CBS that they got picked up again for a second 7 episode season so they could end things off. Unfortunately they didn't get renewed, but at least they got their last hurrah out.

[S_G]

You guys were right, it really did improve over the last few episodes. Very sad though, it WILL get cancelled. And it's their own damn fault. No one wants filler episode after filler episode. Stick with the story arc, and throw in a FEW fillers here and there -- they shouldn't make up the majority of episodes in a given season.

[Rometiklan]

You guys were right, it really did improve over the last few episodes. Very sad though, it WILL get cancelled. And it's their own damn fault. No one wants filler episode after filler episode. Stick with the story arc, and throw in a FEW fillers here and there -- they shouldn't make up the majority of episodes in a given season.

Yeah, what were they thinking? There was some serious lack of direction this season. There was no guarantee of a third season. With the possibility of getting cancelled, every episode should have been pivotal to the show's resolution. If they were clever enough, the final episode could have had an alternate cliffhanger ending in case they got renewed.

[airodus]

Yeah, what were they thinking? There was some serious lack of direction this season. There was no guarantee of a third season. With the possibility of getting cancelled, every episode should have been pivotal to the show's resolution. If they were clever enough, the final episode could have had an alternate cliffhanger ending in case they got renewed.

hold your horses, the season isn't over yet heheh

[Rometiklan]

hold your horses, the season isn't over yet heheh

HahA! True enough. It ain't over til it's over. The show already put one foot in the grave when they moved it to Friday nights. Let's hope for the best though. :cheesygri

[belowzeros]

Yeah, what were they thinking? There was some serious lack of direction this season. There was no guarantee of a third season. With the possibility of getting cancelled, every episode should have been pivotal to the show's resolution. If they were clever enough, the final episode could have had an alternate cliffhanger ending in case they got renewed.


I think part of the blame falls with Fox. They never really got behind the show and gave them a shoestring budget...there's only so much Terminator type stuff you can do with no money and I think the audience expects over the top cgi magic. We didn't even get an easy thing like the dock blowing up so it's pretty apparent they just don't have the proper studio cash.

Supernatural has the same problem with money but at least on that show the character driven stories work.

It's been a great few shows to finish things off.

[rabbit]

> Stick with the story arc

Too many story arcs is the problem.

[silentio]

The series is unofficially cancelled, with formal announcement in May (right after you view the full season 2).

http://www.fmqinc.com/terminator-cancelled/

2 inside sources in the comments indicates that the sets have been destroyed, and the actors have signed onto other projects. This series is done.

[jokadeska]

The series is unofficially cancelled, with formal announcement in May (right after you view the full season 2).

http://www.fmqinc.com/terminator-cancelled/

2 inside sources in the comments indicates that the sets have been destroyed, and the actors have signed onto other projects. This series is done.

BOOO. Just when the series got interesting...

[CSAgent]

Hasta la vista, baby!

I blame Riley, her story arc killed this series...honestly, was anyone remotely interested in that story arc? How many episodes was dedicated to her character, I stopped watching on Mondays when I realized how bad her storyline was. They made a lot of episodes with her as the focus, then have Jesse kill her off by a single pistol shot to the chest...game over! What was the point of all that building up then??

It almost felt like I was watching Terminator: The Riley Chronicles...

[Lone_Prodigy]

S1 was only 9 episodes long: hardly enough to do anything, yet they crammed quite a bit of content into it. I guess they took the rest of S1 as the basis for S2, but possibly ran out of money and/or time and had to string together a few filler episodes (crazy Sarah, that one-shot with Cameron).

Personally, I felt S1 would've ended with Cromartie's "death", and S2 would've been Weaver putting the Turk in him. I guess the writers didn't want Terminator-of-the-week and go-and-save-future-allies plotlines so they went with, ugh, Riley and Jesse instead (cheaper and more eye candy).

[spm24]

I guess the writers didn't want Terminator-of-the-week and go-and-save-future-allies plotlines so they went with, ugh, Riley and Jesse instead (cheaper and more eye candy).

i would have not prefered that "eyecandy " jesse looks constapated in each episode and riley is nothing special herself. fox could have had much better eye candy

[airodus]

Yah they already have enough eye candy in the show that they should have spent money on writing and effects. I definitely wanted more action out of a Terminator show. It's based on an action movie, not a drama.

[prvt10]

i've watched every episode and i'm almost glad that it is cancelled. it's gotten a little boring. one of the problems is they focused too much on John Connor who is really lame and emo, and not enough on Summer Glau who is the best thing on the show. i didn't like jesse either. her accent was annoying and she just can't act.

[Riffer]

Come on - Terminator, Dollhouse, then Battlestar Galactica on Friday night and you want MORE eye-candy.

Future generations will wish they had it as good as we have had it over the past few months.

[jokadeska]

wow, derrick. that was sudden

[BoxsterS]

The death of Derrick pretty much sealed the fate of the show. And what a meaningless death it was. They could have made it so much more dramatic, emotional and more importantly - sacrificial by giving his life to save John. But, no, he walks into the house and gets it in the forehead - there's a resume entry for you.

Incidentally, I hear the actor that plays John Conner had a tirade on the set, during this episode, and started berating everyone.

[Madchester]

Incidentally, I hear the actor that plays John Conner had a tirade on the set, during this episode, and started berating everyone.

The actor (and his agent) are known *******s. He demanded script rewrites when he was on Heroes... b/c he didn't want to play a gay character that would typecast him on future roles.

[Rometiklan]

The death of Derrick pretty much sealed the fate of the show. And what a meaningless death it was. They could have made it so much more dramatic, emotional and more importantly - sacrificial by giving his life to save John. But, no, he walks into the house and gets it in the forehead - there's a resume entry for you.

+1

What a waste. The writers seem to have a real knack for writing meaningless deaths. Even a second tier character like Charley met a more honourable death than a main character. The audience invest their time and emotion into these characters, you'd think the writers would understand that. I had a feeling someone was going to die when they started the episode in a cemetary...foreshadowing.

Incidentally, I hear the actor that plays John Conner had a tirade on the set, during this episode, and started berating everyone.

He thinks he's Christian Bale now? Someone walk into his line of sight?

[CSAgent]

Thanks for the spoiler alert regarding Derek's death, you bastards! :lol::|

I'm downloading yesterday's episode, will watch it later tonight..

[Riffer]

Thanks for the spoiler alert regarding Derek's death, you bastards! :lol::|

I'm downloading yesterday's episode, will watch it later tonight..

I was doing something and just listening at that part and didn't realize he had been killed until half way through :lol:

[rabbit]

> The death of Derrick pretty much sealed the fate of the show. And what a meaningless death it was. ... But, no, he walks into the house and gets it in the forehead - there's a resume entry for you.

Hey, that guy played a character made of "man dough" on Sabrina, the Teenage Witch. What more do you need on your resume? :)



Anyways, it was a good episode. If the series had been like the previous two, the show would be going strong.

[airodus]

yah good episode. i was kind of hoping it would end terribly so I wouldn't be sorry to see it go. now I'll be like, "What if?" when it gets cancelled.

[corrupt123]

*spolers*

Just watched last nights episode (after downloading it a dozen times because I couldn't get a properly packed copy... ughh) and I have to agree. Definitely one of the better eposides of the series, except the fact that they killed derek like that. I honestly saw the guy shoot him and I Just burst out laughing, thinking to myself "Honestly? The guy's been around for a season and a half and thats how he's gonna die? hahahaha"

IMO I think it just shows the caliber of writing this show has. Tons and tons of potential, but then there are some morons running the story line that do stupid **** like this.

I've also noticed that this show seems more and more to be a movie, stretched over two seasons. Like, the number of conflicts and resolutions per episode is enough that if you stacked an entire seasons worth, cut out the fat, and sped things up a little youd'd get a decent plot for a 2 hour movie.

Oh well, kill the show and I'll wait patiently for T4.

On an unrelated note... Does anyone know what happened to Fringe & Prison Break? They were both going down the toilet too, but I didn't think they'd been cancelled already.

[silentio]

Supernatural has the same ratings as terminator, yet isnt cancelled.

Is terminator much more expensive to produce?

[jokadeska]

On an unrelated note... Does anyone know what happened to Fringe & Prison Break? They were both going down the toilet too, but I didn't think they'd been cancelled already.

Last 5 episodes of prison break coming up after terminator's season finale. same time slot i believe.

[cheapmeister]

A lame way for derek to die, and very sudden too. Could have been played out in a better way , no suspense at all. With sarah captured john will have to make all the decisions on his own. Still an interesting episode though, too bad the series is almost over. I hope the movie will be much better.

[Lone_Prodigy]

I wasn't expecting Derek's death, but now in hindsight I applaud the writers for trying something so bold. Most TV doesn't surprise me anymore, and having such a casual and unimportant death really flies in the face of conventional thinking. I guess it's one of those love-it-or-hate-it scenes. Sarah should've shown more grief though: at least close his eyes before looting his body.

[spike-spiegel]

Derek's death was very similar to Omar's death in The Wire. Unexpected and realistic. There's nothing glamourous about their deaths, Derek was just fighting to survive. The casual way the death of Derek was handled was much more effective in showing the sacrifices that John (and Sarah) have to make to save the world.

[VenomZeus]

It's possible that another future Derek will come back 1 day to the show, or maybe they will go back in time somehow to save him.

I have a feeling this will happen and that's why his death was so sudden and insignificant.

[jokadeska]

It's possible that another future Derek will come back 1 day to the show, or maybe they will go back in time somehow to save him.

I have a feeling this will happen and that's why his death was so sudden and insignificant.

Next week is season finale so I doubt it'll happen. Unless of course there's another season.. but that seems to be unlikeley

[shutterbug]

So is anyone else getting the message that Weaver is a "good guy" and building John Henry to fight Skynet? Weaver did kill and blow up that factory that was hiding the flyer which seems to be part of that group with the water delivery guys. I wonder if she's the T1000 that escaped from the Jimmy Carter.

[Riffer]

So is anyone else getting the message that Weaver is a "good guy" and building John Henry to fight Skynet? Weaver did kill and blow up that factory that was hiding the flyer which seems to be part of that group with the water delivery guys. I wonder if she's the T1000 that escaped from the Jimmy Carter.

That's the premise I am acting under; that there is a "good" skynet and a "bad" skynet now operating.

Unfortunately, any final resolution will kill the franchise, so I don't expect much.

[felix]

This past episode was very good, one of the best of season 2 but too bad the ratings still dropped. :(

The meaningless death of Derek was sudden and realistic. Would have been too predictable if he went out a more dramatic way.

[corrupt123]

What fox should do is sign them on for another season, tell them it'll be the last, and let them wrap things up.

Honestly, if they know things are going to end, then the story can start going somewhere and they can do useful things.

[Lone_Prodigy]

What fox should do is sign them on for another season, tell them it'll be the last, and let them wrap things up.

Honestly, if they know things are going to end, then the story can start going somewhere and they can do useful things.

If I was Fox, I wouldn't renew this show from a $$$ standpoint. Friday night is a horrible time slot, and sitcoms/reality shows would be much cheaper to produce to fill that time.

[instanoodles]

yeah man, I love the show but I have to download it, friday nights are spent outside the house not inside watching tv.

[belowzeros]

great episode, they seem to be wrapping up things nicely. You can see them tying everything off so I think the writings on the wall.

I didn't understand how this show could last past T4 because their stories were likely to collide and not make any sense with continuity so I was half glad it's over....until you get episodes like the last 3-4 :(

[Riffer]

...
I didn't understand how this show could last past T4 because their stories were likely to collide and not make any sense with continuity so I was half glad it's over....until you get episodes like the last 3-4 :(

Well none of them make sense after the first movie anyway.

[Madchester]

The best part of this episode was Savannah critiquing her mom's singing ability.

[spike-spiegel]

The best part of this episode was Savannah critiquing her mom's singing ability.

... and then John Henry singing that song with her at the end. Garren Dillahunt and Summer Glau have been amazing at playing robots acting like humans.

[belowzeros]

... and then John Henry singing that song with her at the end. Garren Dillahunt and Summer Glau have been amazing at playing robots acting like humans.


It's not like it takes a lot of talent to emote a robot =p

Garren is a decent actor though, he's certainly been very busy since 2000 with tons of bit parts and smaller recurring roles. He's certainly doing well in the biz for 44.

[Lone_Prodigy]

It's not like it takes a lot of talent to emote a robot =p

I suppose if you're an introvert it would be easy. But you have to blink slowly, show no facial movements, move stiffly if at all, and talk in a monotone. For restless people I bet it would be torture.

I Googled the song they sing at the end and the comments are priceless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONO0bkpiXhM

[belowzeros]

I Googled the song they sing at the end and the comments are priceless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONO0bkpiXhM


I think the Terminator sung version was just creepy. There is something about a killer death robot singing with his adopted daughter that gets in your bones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_Zgla48g4

.

[airodus]

Well apparently WB is still in talks with Fox, but it's probably futile. Especially if they've already destroyed the sets (tho next season could be using all new sets heheh).

[Riffer]

It's not like it takes a lot of talent to emote a robot =p

Garren is a decent actor though, he's certainly been very busy since 2000 with tons of bit parts and smaller recurring roles. He's certainly doing well in the biz for 44.

He's had a nice run, but TTSCC is ending and he was killed off on Life wednesday :!:

[belowzeros]

yeah but wasn't Life killed off anyway by the network >.>

[airodus]

He's had a nice run, but TTSCC is ending and he was killed off on Life wednesday :!:

Dammit, getting a Life spoiler in a TSCC thread. I can't read any forums anymore. LOL

[Riffer]

Dammit, getting a Life spoiler in a TSCC thread. I can't read any forums anymore. LOL

Oops! Sorry about that. Certainly worth watching the episode though.

So if Life is gone, that means I will be down to one program a week, 24 :mad:

[jokadeska]

we need one more season!

[ngp]

Now where is John going to get that picture of his mom to give to Kyle?

[airodus]

dammit. stupid series ending in cliff hangers

[Justine]

they showed a cool preview of salvation tonight during the show.

[CSAgent]

dammit. stupid series ending in cliff hangers

+1!!!!!

OMG that was the best episode this season! WE NEED ONE MORE SEASON! I wanna know what happens next!!!! Ahhhhhhh!!

And damnit, Summer Glau is soooo friggin' hot!!

[corrupt123]

Well, at least they ended on a high note.

On the other hand, if they do get renewed I'm not looking forward to a whole season of low budget "takes place in the future" effects :|

[GateGuardian]

Wish there is one more season. Lots of question/plot that needs to resolved

[Madchester]

Well apparently WB is still in talks with Fox, but it's probably futile. Especially if they've already destroyed the sets (tho next season could be using all new sets heheh).

Set destruction is relatively commonplace. Sometimes its cheaper to rebuild the set for a sequel or new season, rather than taking it apart piece by piece for storage.

And about the WB... I think it was funny to see the show being shot in the Warner backlot for a couple of episodes. It was Gilmore Girls' Stars Hollow with Terminator characters.

[spm24]

lots of loose ends , i was watching it and said almost at the 20 min mark that the shows going to slow for it to not wrap up in a cliff hanger .

spoiler/question below
i did like the scene in weavers office when the hunter crashed into it and she saved john ,it was guardian angel t300

what was the point of having the eel be apart of her ?

[CSAgent]

lots of loose ends , i was watching it and said almost at the 20 min mark that the shows going to slow for it to not wrap up in a cliff hanger .

spoiler/question below
i did like the scene in weavers office when the hunter crashed into it and she saved john ,it was guardian angel t300

what was the point of having the eel be apart of her ?

I think the eel is/was there to watch over her office when she's not around. Like an observer bot if you must.

[airodus]

Well, at least they ended on a high note.

On the other hand, if they do get renewed I'm not looking forward to a whole season of low budget "takes place in the future" effects :|

Yah I was kind of miffed during the last 5 mins. At least we know that Brian Austin Green wasn't actually dumped from the show hahah. I actually kind of felt bad for the guy after he took that bullet in the head.

But if there is a next season, I hope they don't drag out the future thing too long. In fact, if it has any continuity at all with the movie franchise, I'm pretty sure he has to go back to present day, or even his original timeline from the pilot. Right now it makes zero sense hahah.

Maybe that was Friedman's objective. "You have to give us a 3rd season cause I screwed up the continuity so much and have to fix it."

[corrupt123]

Yah I was kind of miffed during the last 5 mins. At least we know that Brian Austin Green wasn't actually dumped from the show hahah. I actually kind of felt bad for the guy after he took that bullet in the head.

But if there is a next season, I hope they don't drag out the future thing too long. In fact, if it has any continuity at all with the movie franchise, I'm pretty sure he has to go back to present day, or even his original timeline from the pilot. Right now it makes zero sense hahah.

Maybe that was Friedman's objective. "You have to give us a 3rd season cause I screwed up the continuity so much and have to fix it."

lol, quite possible. The other thing is that, as far as I know, terminator time travel rules make it impossible to travel forward in time... just backwards. Plus, what was also weird was that they didn't know or recognise john connor... Does that mean they've altered something in the past and he no longer saves the future?

Ohh, or maybe his current actions and his current jump to the future are what set him up to save the human race.. bla bla bla.
Anyways, I wish they also would have cleared things up a little around the whole "Will you join us" line. I'm confused now who is joining who... In the future on the boat they asked the Liquid Metal bot to join them, she said no. Then in the past, the LM bot asks them to join her, and cameron responds... well, I'm not sure exactly what her answer was:confused:

[jokadeska]

lol, quite possible. The other thing is that, as far as I know, terminator time travel rules make it impossible to travel forward in time... just backwards. Plus, what was also weird was that they didn't know or recognise john connor... Does that mean they've altered something in the past and he no longer saves the future?
:
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I think its cuz in this future, John didn't exist in the past to lead the resistance since he jumped forward in time. So they don't know him since he kinda didn't exist.

[illusion81]

And damnit, Summer Glau is soooo friggin' hot!!

+1

Anybody know who this chick is? She's the one who brought the fake passports to the hotel room. She definitely has Summer beat in the looks category!

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9579/tscc.jpg

[rabbit]

> Plus, what was also weird was that they didn't know or recognise john connor... Does that mean they've altered something in the past and he no longer saves the future?

What jokadeska said.





> Anyways, I wish they also would have cleared things up a little around the whole "Will you join us" line. I'm confused now who is joining who... In the future on the boat they asked the Liquid Metal bot to join them, she said no. Then in the past, the LM bot asks them to join her, and cameron responds... well, I'm not sure exactly what her answer was

Cameron knew what it meant, but lied about it. That's why they went to free Sarah, knowing that it would lead to a meeting/confrontation with Catherine Weaver. Instead of destroying John Henry, she gave him the chip, thus joining the machines against Skynet.

[belowzeros]

I never really bought into the Cameron lying to John part, it acutally really annoyed me throughout the series. Her lying at all was too Gilmore Girls convenient or whatever sappy teenage drama show you want to pin it on.

Among the many cliffhangery unanswered questions stuff, why didn't Cameron's body travel in time with John? No chip or just plotline convenience?

[Evil Baby]

I never really bought into the Cameron lying to John part, it acutally really annoyed me throughout the series. Her lying at all was too Gilmore Girls convenient or whatever sappy teenage drama show you want to pin it on.

Among the many cliffhangery unanswered questions stuff, why didn't Cameron's body travel in time with John? No chip or just plotline convenience?

I'm guessing it was because of the no chip. You'll notice that neither their clothing or the desk traveled in time either.

[Lone_Prodigy]

With regards to set destruction, Weaver's office and the basement were pretty much destroyed.

I thought the ending was great: it wrapped things up nicely and also left it open enough to continue the series. It felt a little rushed though: John meets Weaver and decides to jump with her to find Cameron/John Henry, but has no qualms about leaving his mother behind.

Did anyone notice that when Sarah said "I'll stop it" just before John left it had a double meaning? She'll stop Skynet and/or her mysterious illness. It's entirely possible that if S3 happened, John could meet future Sarah (since it's only 11 years ahead).

[belowzeros]

I remember now in the first movie Kyle says that only living tissue can make the jump. So I guess since Cameron's chip was gone her reactor wasn't powered on and that would make her dead..oh well, at least they showed us Allison after the jump. John is one kinky SOB if he gets with that.

I think we'll see a Season3...Warner actually owns the show not Fox. Fox was just paying for broadcasting rights. So it's very possible that a network like TNT could pick it up and someone like G4 or SyFy could do 2nd tier broadcast rights...they could pay for it if the owners of the show want to carry on. I'll bet all the reports of destroyed sets was a result of the on-air destruction.

After all, that cliffhanger rates up high on the unfair scale as hard as Farscape and Carnivale :)

[sixer]

Great final episode, here's hoping it comes back for another season!

[Soulsaber]

+1!!!!!

OMG that was the best episode this season! WE NEED ONE MORE SEASON! I wanna know what happens next!!!! Ahhhhhhh!!

And damnit, Summer Glau is soooo friggin' hot!!

Ya, Summer is the only reason I am watching this... =D

And it seems like no one commented on that one random scene where she stripped down and asked John to do some sort of breast examination or something....
Wonder why they put that in....

[Evil Baby]

Ya, Summer is the only reason I am watching this... =D

And it seems like no one commented on that one random scene where she stripped down and asked John to do some sort of breast examination or something....
Wonder why they put that in....

A. to be sexually suggestive.
B. So John could test to see if her nuclear core was leaking. If it was then Summer would have caused cancer to John's mother.

[GateGuardian]

+1

Anybody know who this chick is? She's the one who brought the fake passports to the hotel room. She definitely has Summer beat in the looks category!

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9579/tscc.jpg

She was in the first season. I think her brother was killed by one of the terminators.

[silentio]

Ya, Summer is the only reason I am watching this... =D

And it seems like no one commented on that one random scene where she stripped down and asked John to do some sort of breast examination or something....
Wonder why they put that in....

John sure didnt need to be told twice to get on top of her after she removed her clothing :D He didnt even bother asking why she asked him to.

[airodus]

I remember now in the first movie Kyle says that only living tissue can make the jump. So I guess since Cameron's chip was gone her reactor wasn't powered on and that would make her dead..oh well, at least they showed us Allison after the jump. John is one kinky SOB if he gets with that.


Also, half her face got shot off and exposed her endoskeleton. So I'm sure her body got destroyed in the jump since it wasn't completely covered by human tissue. (don't ask about T-1000, I assume they can morph their outside layer into what passes for living tissue)

[airodus]

John sure didnt need to be told twice to get on top of her after she removed her clothing :D He didnt even bother asking why she asked him to.

Yah he was pretty ready to get it on. And then she was like "It's time to go. You can't do a machine."

[rabbit]

> John meets Weaver and decides to jump with her to find Cameron/John Henry, but has no qualms about leaving his mother behind.

John loves Cameron.

[gsrce]

Well apparently WB is still in talks with Fox, but it's probably futile. Especially if they've already destroyed the sets (tho next season could be using all new sets heheh).

If they do continue, they don't need to use any of the new sets now. At least we know it's a possibility.

I'm really left wanting more after that ending.

Anyone know if that line about Kyle returning meant he returned from his time travel jump? As if that's the case, the continuity could be even more messed up than we think, and if there is another season it could be about setting the time line right while trying to negotiate with the Weaver machines.

[quakeboy]

i think there might be a chance that it will be picked up for another season because of Terminator: Salvation coming out this spring and it will be making a ton of money. so Fox/warner bros might want to build on that for at lease for another season.

[Riffer]

If they do continue, they don't need to use any of the new sets now. At least we know it's a possibility.

I'm really left wanting more after that ending.

Anyone know if that line about Kyle returning meant he returned from his time travel jump? As if that's the case, the continuity could be even more messed up than we think, and if there is another season it could be about setting the time line right while trying to negotiate with the Weaver machines.

No Kyle is dead. It is Kyle before he met John Connor.

As a matter of fact, since he had never heard of John Connor, I suspect it is a future in which John Connor doesn't exist.

[spm24]

maybe jesse was right its the machines that run the resistance and cameron is there leader.


kinda odd that " will you join us " was used 3x that episode and ended with the terminator + weave + john going to the future

[jokadeska]

maybe jesse was right its the machines that run the resistance and cameron is there leader.


Or maybe connor's actually dead and cameron is the new leader?

[belowzeros]

Or maybe connor's actually dead and cameron is the new leader?


they better not ressurect Jesse and her girlfriend in the future...things really picked up once they ate it. Jesse is dead or isn't in the present, I dread the writers running with that one in the wrong direction.

[7Stryder7]

just when i completed watching the whole series for two weeks, it ends...

The cliffhanger was great, but i do hope that they renew the series.

[spm24]

sadly reading around i have a feeling this show is going to go the way of the firefly with fox messing up yet another serires due to bad writing and low budgets

[Lone_Prodigy]

> John meets Weaver and decides to jump with her to find Cameron/John Henry, but has no qualms about leaving his mother behind.

John loves Cameron.

But she's just a machine. A ridiculously hot machine, but deep down she wants to kill him. Maybe he likes that kind of thing: who am I to judge?

[rabbit]

> But she's just a machine.

Ever heard of a company called Apple, and their machines called MacIntosh? :lol:

People have gone monkey over stuff like Star Wars and Star Trek, so falling for a walking and talking machine, who has the physical attributes of someone you would fall for, isn't so difficult to believe, in my opinion.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Got this from another thread: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1834/1239425533810.gif

[zod]

In the Pilot when they time travelled 8 years, they skipped over the 8 years. They're weren't two of them. So it would seem in terminator time travel when you go in the future you skip over all the time in between.

So when John went to the future he didn't exist in the time in between so no one knew who he was.

After that ending I'd like to see another episode.

I didn't think the series as a whole was very good, but it had its moments.

[7Stryder7]

i'd say the worse episode in the series was when sarah was having nightmares of the man he killed, which in fact was actually real...

[jokadeska]

i'd say the worse episode in the series was when sarah was having nightmares of the man he killed, which in fact was actually real...
I would say episodes.. There was like 3 episodes in a row centering around sarah and her dreams. Real horrible stuff...

[felix]

i'd say the worse episode in the series was when sarah was having nightmares of the man he killed, which in fact was actually real...
That episode I thought was better than the one about the funeral. Other than those few boring Sarah and her "three dots" episodes, I actually enjoyed the season.

[Ojam]

A few things people seem to be missing

1.) That's not Cameron in the future, that's the human she is based off, that is why they focused on her for so long petting the dog

2.) Why nobody in the future knows who john connor is because he skipped over those years. Thats not to say he still can't be important in this time line, he will just be younger.

3.) In "The Terminator" Kyle Reese says it's a one way trip. I know in the series they have time travelled, but that's because machines had knowledge kyle did not. Kyle is dead, or will be after John sends him back.

[spike-spiegel]

That episode I thought was better than the one about the funeral. Other than those few boring Sarah and her "three dots" episodes, I actually enjoyed the season.

Yea, dont know why they focused so much on the three dots. It just ended up being on the Turk. Unless there is something more to it, seemed kind of a filler story for Sarah character.

[corrupt123]

Yea, dont know why they focused so much on the three dots. It just ended up being on the Turk. Unless there is something more to it, seemed kind of a filler story for Sarah character.

Hahaha yeah... it's like being taken out for a nice dinner and it ends up being really crappy, but then at the end your host says "See?!?! I told you you'd be full!"

[cheepino]

TERMINATOR SEASON 3 FOREVER!!! IF YOU GUYS HELP FOx may order another season!


Pre-order season 2 dvd & blu ray
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001AQO43M/gijoevid
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001AQR3J4/gijoevid


Vote to save Terminator

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b117753_Save_One_Show__Help_Your_Fave_See_Another_ Season_.html

you can vote more than once, I suggest Voting at least once a day. ENDS MAY 1st

[madnug]

Voted! I was addicted since Season 1! Season 2 started off great, and then it sorta went "What the?" with those few Sarah-centric episodes, and then ended with a BANG! I hope they will get a season 3.

By the way, I am selling my Season 1 DVD set (just upgraded it to Blu-Ray!)

Anyone interested, find my thread in Buy & Sell!

:)

[Evil Baby]

Voted! I was addicted since Season 1! Season 2 started off great, and then it sorta went "What the?" with those few Sarah-centric episodes, and then ended with a BANG! I hope they will get a season 3.

By the way, I am selling my Season 1 DVD set (just upgraded it to Blu-Ray!)

Anyone interested, find my thread in Buy & Sell!

:)

wouldn't it be easier to just link to your own thread?

[madnug]

wouldn't it be easier to just link to your own thread?

I wasn't sure if I can do a direct link to the selling thread in this section... but I guess if the mods find it out of line, then please kindly remove this post -

Here's the link:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728063

:cheesygri

[felix]

Vote to save Terminator

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b117753_Save_One_Show__Help_Your_Fave_See_Another_ Season_.html

you can vote more than once, I suggest Voting at least once a day. ENDS MAY 1st
Thanks, voted! The season finale was awesome (mostly the last 10 minutes). Looking forward to a third season!

[Evil Baby]

Thanks, voted! The season finale was awesome (mostly the last 10 minutes). Looking forward to a third season!

hmmmm, so torn between Chuck and Terminator.

[madnug]

hmmmm, so torn between Chuck and Terminator.

I kinda feel the same way. The last few Chuck episodes are just TOO GOOD! In all honesty, Chuck Season 2 has been consistently good, ramping up to the last few shows being really interesting. While the TSCC has some slump in the middle of the season that is quite hard to take. But I still voted for TSSC, as I do believe that Chuck can probably survive on it's own....

Let's hope both shows got renewed!

[jokadeska]

Chuck will definately get renewed so I'm voting for this TSCC

[Evil Baby]

I kinda feel the same way. The last few Chuck episodes are just TOO GOOD! In all honesty, Chuck Season 2 has been consistently good, ramping up to the last few shows being really interesting. While the TSCC has some slump in the middle of the season that is quite hard to take. But I still voted for TSSC, as I do believe that Chuck can probably survive on it's own....

Let's hope both shows got renewed!

I think Chuck can survive in any other time slot, I'm just not sure why it's being played against house and Dancing With the Stars. I know I usually watch house and then either catch Chuck at 11 or download it later on.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Torn between this and Dollhouse.

[belowzeros]

Chuck will definately get renewed so I'm voting for this TSCC


actually according to the hollywood reporter it's a 50/50 coin flip right now. here's a summary of the article from AICN

LIKELY TO RETURN
Ghost Whisperer (CBS)
How I Met Your Mother (CBS)
Law & Order (NBC)
Numb3rs (CBS)
Southland (NBC)
Ugly Betty (ABC)

UNLIKELY TO RETURN
Cupid (ABC)
Eleventh Hour (CBS)
Kath & Kim (NBC)
Life (NBC)
Reaper (CW)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox)
The Unit (CBS)

FIFTY/FIFTY
Better Off Ted (ABC)
Castle (ABC)
Chuck (NBC)
Cold Case (CBS)
Dollhouse (Fox)
Medium (NBC)
Privileged (CW)
The Unusuals (ABC)
Without A Trace (CBS)

[Evil Baby]

actually according to the hollywood reporter it's a 50/50 coin flip right now. here's a summary of the article from AICN

LIKELY TO RETURN
Ghost Whisperer (CBS)
How I Met Your Mother (CBS)
Law & Order (NBC)
Numb3rs (CBS)
Southland (NBC)
Ugly Betty (ABC)

UNLIKELY TO RETURN
Cupid (ABC)
Eleventh Hour (CBS)
Kath & Kim (NBC)
Life (NBC)
Reaper (CW)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox)
The Unit (CBS)

FIFTY/FIFTY
Better Off Ted (ABC)
Castle (ABC)
Chuck (NBC)
Cold Case (CBS)
Dollhouse (Fox)
Medium (NBC)
Privileged (CW)
The Unusuals (ABC)
Without A Trace (CBS)

I can't believe they would cancel Chuck or think about it. Personally I think the Neilson rating system is one of the worse. I wish there was a far more accurate way to determine what people are watching. I think chuck would fit in nicely on a Wednesday time slot. However the way tonights episode went and I assume the season finally wont change much of the story the writers are making it out to be a season/series finally.

[belowzeros]

Personally I think the Neilson rating system is one of the worse.

on that note I can't understand by what miracle how I met your mother stays on the air. does someone owe NPH money or something? that show is just unfunny...or maybe it's the fact that I'm watching a gay dude who is a supposed ladies man just makes it unwatchable for me. oh and it's unfunny =p

[airodus]

I can't believe they would cancel Chuck or think about it. Personally I think the Neilson rating system is one of the worse. I wish there was a far more accurate way to determine what people are watching. I think chuck would fit in nicely on a Wednesday time slot. However the way tonights episode went and I assume the season finally wont change much of the story the writers are making it out to be a season/series finally.

Chuck is not a strong show. Sure it's gotten better over the last few episodes, but for the last half of the 1st season and the first 3/4 of the 2nd season, it was very weak and lost a lot of viewers.

I know of my friends who started watching Chuck, I think maybe 1/4 of them still semi, sort of follow it. It's definitely not strong enough to be a Monday night show. I think with the ways things went in the last episode, they are going to close it out for good in the finale. Unless they manage to stick the intersect back into his head, but that would be lame.

[airodus]

on that note I can't understand by what miracle how I met your mother stays on the air. does someone owe NPH money or something? that show is just unfunny...or maybe it's the fact that I'm watching a gay dude who is a supposed ladies man just makes it unwatchable for me. oh and it's unfunny =p

I like How I Met Your Mother more than Big Bang Theory, which is odd because I'm a big dork IRL.

[markom]

+1

Anybody know who this chick is? She's the one who brought the fake passports to the hotel room. She definitely has Summer beat in the looks category!

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9579/tscc.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2835196/

Sabrina Perez

[CSAgent]

on that note I can't understand by what miracle how I met your mother stays on the air. does someone owe NPH money or something? that show is just unfunny...or maybe it's the fact that I'm watching a gay dude who is a supposed ladies man just makes it unwatchable for me. oh and it's unfunny =p

HIYM is great, what are you talking about? Just because NPH's gay in real life doesn't make him any less of an actor.

Where does it say anywhere that you have to be straight to play a character? By that merit, do you not like LOTR or X-Men because Sir Ian McKellen's gay too? Oh noes, Gandalf/Magneto is gay!

[belowzeros]

HIYM is great, what are you talking about? Just because NPH's gay in real life doesn't make him any less of an actor.

Where does it say anywhere that you have to be straight to play a character? By that merit, do you not like LOTR or X-Men because Sir Ian McKellen's gay too? Oh noes, Gandalf/Magneto is gay!

nah it had nothing to do with that but I knew I'd regret saying it. It's just not funny I don't get it....honestly I've tried. I finally took it off my PVR after 2 years :(

[airodus]

nah it had nothing to do with that but I knew I'd regret saying it. It's just not funny I don't get it....honestly I've tried. I finally took it off my PVR after 2 years :(

I don't get why you would PVR something "not funny" for 2 years. Are you sure you aren't just confused? Maybe you actually do like it.

[cheepino]

LAST ROUND OF VOTING! MAKE THIS COUNT!



http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b120752_Save_One_Show__Play_the_Game_Changer_Round .html

[Evil Baby]

LAST ROUND OF VOTING! MAKE THIS COUNT!



http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b120752_Save_One_Show__Play_the_Game_Changer_Round .html

flipped a quarter and it came up Terminator. Later today I'll be off to subway to do my part for Chuck.

[cheepino]

cool. and u can vote for TSCC again =)

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b120752_Save_One_Show__Play_the_Game_Changer_Round .html

[cheepino]

c'mon only 1 more day guys! VOTE TILL YOUR HEART CONTENTS

[cheepino]

more or less 12 hours to go! we need all the help we can get!

[cheepino]

WE”VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR A LONG TIME.. WE ARE OUT NUMBERED BY

CHUCKIES.. THE RESISTANCE HAVE A STRENGTH THAT CANNOT BE

MEASURED.. THIS IS JOHN CONNOR.. IF YOU ARE READING TO THIS.. YOU ARE

THE RESISTANCE..

IF WE STRAY THE COURSE WE ARE DEAD.. WE ARE ALL DEAD!!

YOU”RE THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE..

THIS WAR ENDS TONIGHT.. THERES NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE..

—–THE RESISTANCE—–

http://www.imdb.com/poll

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b120752_Save_One_Show__Play_the_Game_Changer_Round .html

[kitty]

WE”VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR A LONG TIME.. WE ARE OUT NUMBERED BY

CHUCKIES.. THE RESISTANCE HAVE A STRENGTH THAT CANNOT BE

MEASURED.. THIS IS JOHN CONNOR.. IF YOU ARE READING TO THIS.. YOU ARE

THE RESISTANCE..

IF WE STRAY THE COURSE WE ARE DEAD.. WE ARE ALL DEAD!!

YOU”RE THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE..

THIS WAR ENDS TONIGHT.. THERES NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE..

—–THE RESISTANCE—–

http://www.imdb.com/poll

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b120752_Save_One_Show__Play_the_Game_Changer_Round .html

Been following both series; and I've love to see both get renewed; but there's a reason why Chuck has more fans. TSCC's story line is just too slow -- too much development on characters that I could care less about. The whole Riley-Jessie storyline. Or all that time spent with Sarah's fiance in the first season, to have him go away and in the end, die at the lighthouse? TSCC showed many glimpses of greatness, like the last episode. But they were too few and far between.

[belowzeros]

I'd so rather see Life get renewed over Chuck...Life is just great

[Evil Baby]

Looks like TSCC won and by a large margin.

The Fans Have Spoken: Save Terminator! (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b121595_fans_have_spoken_save_terminator.html)


Chuck: 25 percent
Dollhouse: 10 percent
Life: 8 percent
Privileged: 4 percent
Terminator: 53 percent

[gsrce]

Looks like TSCC won and by a large margin.

The Fans Have Spoken: Save Terminator! (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b121595_fans_have_spoken_save_terminator.html)

Great. Now let's have Sarah do things in the past that change things in the future while John is there =D

[silentio]

Still no word either way.

Friedman did say that there wont be many networks capable of affording this show if Fox does cancel. Looks like either fox does S3 or it is a goner.

[corrupt123]

To be honest, I can't really say that I'm surprised TSCC won. IMO It's a much better show than all the other options, and although it's had its lows it's also had its highs and kept me entertained enough to watch another season.

I actually think a major factor in the reason it's got low ratings is because most of its following is probably the 18-25 technologically inclined crowd, so the bulk of us (I know me anyway) just stream or download the show online, which probably hurts the ratings a fair bit.

[silentio]

Im guessing embedding product placements into a tv episode doesnt remotely pay as well as a 30 sec commercial spot.

[Evil Baby]

To be honest, I can't really say that I'm surprised TSCC won. IMO It's a much better show than all the other options, and although it's had its lows it's also had its highs and kept me entertained enough to watch another season.

I actually think a major factor in the reason it's got low ratings is because most of its following is probably the 18-25 technologically inclined crowd, so the bulk of us (I know me anyway) just stream or download the show online, which probably hurts the ratings a fair bit.

and the sooner networks realize this the better off they'll be. Why doesn't Fox throw up it's own torrent of TSCC with the commercials in tact? I'm guessing the Canadian carrier would have to do the same thing. I'm sure most people who do already download/stream the show would gladly download it from Fox if they knew it would help keep there shows on tv, and this way Fox would still get the ad revenue from the show.

[Madchester]

these online polls are ridiculous.

A few month ago, I received an email chain letter re: a CP24 poll on abortion. It was from some member of the local Catholic community telling ppl to spam the vote so that it would end up being against abortion.

When I looked at the poll in the morning it was maybe 75/25 for abortion - by the end of the day (and the chain letter being widely distributed) it was vice versa.

No network in their right mind would renew a show based on an online poll - the same way a political party would change it stance on an existing law due to an open, online poll. Had this TV poll been conducted by an independent research firm, it would carry more weight.

[jokadeska]

I actually like Terminator and Chuck. They are both great shows.
But if I had to pick between the two, I would pick Chuck because there more disappointing moments in TSCC (Sarah dream episodes).

However, I voted for Terminator cuz Chuck has much more audience base.

[cheepino]

o hel ya! celebration bitches! season 3 IMMINENT!

[cheepino]

GUYS, TSCC NEEDS YOUR HELP. THIS IS LOS ANGELES TIMES. THIS IS WHERE ALL THE SETS OF TSCC AND FOX HEAD QUATER ARE AT! THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO STRIKE. LET ALL THOSE PEOPLE KNOW THE RESISTANCE WILL NEVER GIVE IN! GOGOGO AND VOTE!@!!



http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-tv-grid-sp,0,381932.special



POLL IS AT BOTTEM LEFT

[felix]

GUYS, TSCC NEEDS YOUR HELP. THIS IS LOS ANGELES TIMES. THIS IS WHERE ALL THE SETS OF TSCC AND FOX HEAD QUATER ARE AT! THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO STRIKE. LET ALL THOSE PEOPLE KNOW THE RESISTANCE WILL NEVER GIVE IN! GOGOGO AND VOTE!@!!



http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-tv-grid-sp,0,381932.special



POLL IS AT BOTTEM LEFT
Thanks, voted for Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles!

[Madchester]

Again, these polls will not convince a network to renew a show...lol.

[belowzeros]

Again, these polls will not convince a network to renew a show...lol.


no kidding eh....I wish it had worked for farscape, it had just hit it's stride big time. It did work to some degree with Jericho. That second season is pretty much attributed to internet and snail mail lobbying although it wasn't as good with the shoe string budget they had to work with in season2.

[rockthecasbah]

these online polls are ridiculous.

A few month ago, I received an email chain letter re: a CP24 poll on abortion. It was from some member of the local Catholic community telling ppl to spam the vote so that it would end up being against abortion.

When I looked at the poll in the morning it was maybe 75/25 for abortion - by the end of the day (and the chain letter being widely distributed) it was vice versa.

No network in their right mind would renew a show based on an online poll - the same way a political party would change it stance on an existing law due to an open, online poll. Had this TV poll been conducted by an independent research firm, it would carry more weight.

Except these online polls (based on a general segment of the TV watching audience) aren't exactly like a regular TV station's poll on some sort of "topic of interest". Save One Show is an annual poll put together by a entertainment/TV entity that has ~some clout~ in the TV industry. I mean, it won't determine anything and winning it by no means guarantees anything but it definitely puts the show in a positive light. The networks execs should know that the Nielsen ratings system is really outdated. People are watching television in ways other than what was only available back then, when Nielsen boxes counting ratings made sense.

In any case, I have read, and I don't know if it's true because I don't watch the show, that One Tree Hill was brought back another season due to the Save One Show poll. Of course, Angel and Veronica Mars (RIP :( ) also won and obviously they were not brought back. But I can only try to remain positive even though I await bad news (and before the results from the polls, I thought this show was definitely a goner).

[cheepino]

Every POSITIVE achievement we make has an effect like a stone dropped into a pond. Watch the ripples grow, my friend…

[cheepino]

remember guys. NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE

vote for tscc! THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT!!

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-tv-grid-sp,0,381932.special

[cheepino]

the RESISTANCE LIVES ON!

[gsrce]

the RESISTANCE LIVES ON!

Please just edit your post next time -.-;;

[JayTee1]

the RESISTANCE LIVES ON!

Does this mean it got picked up for a third season?

[cheepino]

Taken from another massive forum

If you are reading this message, YOU are THE RESISTANCE!

In an unprecedented effort to save TSCC, I ask that every Resistance Fighter send an email to askfox@fox.com on Friday May 8th 8PM/7PMc (old TSCC schedule on FOX).

No need to wrote an elaborate email: Just ask FOX to renew TSCC for a 3rd season.
What’s important is to send as much emails as possible at that precise date and time. PLEASE only 3 mail per person (we don’t want to spam them, we want to be heard).

Thanks to pass that message to every TSCC friends.
Etienne,
RESISTANCE UNITED



REMEMBER TO KEEP VOTING FOR THE LOS ANGELES TIMES POLL. POLL AT BOTTOM LEFT
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-tv-grid-sp,0,381932.special


“You see the distant flames,
they bellow in the night.
You fight in all our names
for what we know is right.
And when you all get shot
and cannot carry on,
though you die,
La Resistance lives on.”

[airodus]

cheepino, i'd think that you were really annoying if you didn't have such a funny avatar. but everytime i open up this subscription, i laugh at that picture, so it's worth the click

[cheepino]

as long as you keep voting, its all good.

[cheepino]

HEY GUYS! A MESSAGE FROM THE LEADER OF THE RESISTANCE HIMSELF: THOMAS DEKKER!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7B2IYR-HCo

[VenomZeus]

Did you guys know that Dollhouse was picked up for another season? I like Whedon but that show is pretty bad :confused:

[Tornado F2]

Did you guys know that Dollhouse was picked up for another season? I like Whedon but that show is pretty bad :confused:

That's okay, so long as Chronicles was renewed too.

It has been, hasn't it?

[Tornado F2]

Taken from another massive forum

If you are reading this message, YOU are THE RESISTANCE!

In an unprecedented effort to save TSCC, I ask that every Resistance Fighter send an email to askfox@fox.com on Friday May 8th 8PM/7PMc (old TSCC schedule on FOX).

No need to wrote an elaborate email: Just ask FOX to renew TSCC for a 3rd season.
What’s important is to send as much emails as possible at that precise date and time. PLEASE only 3 mail per person (we don’t want to spam them, we want to be heard).

Thanks to pass that message to every TSCC friends.
Etienne,
RESISTANCE UNITED



REMEMBER TO KEEP VOTING FOR THE LOS ANGELES TIMES POLL. POLL AT BOTTOM LEFT
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-tv-grid-sp,0,381932.special


According to your la times link the show is "dying". I really hope that's not the case. Why would they keep Dollhouse (or other shows that have been renewed) and not TC? It makes no sense, especially when they have a related big-budget movie coming out. I can't imagine it's any more expensive to produce than the others.

[Tornado F2]

Great. Now let's have Sarah do things in the past that change things in the future while John is there =D

Like eliminating any Fox execs who might be opposed to renewing the show!

[Tornado F2]

she's the same girl as the wife of that dude in 300.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372176/

Sorry to dig up an old post, but this is GREAT!:lol:

Translation: She played the Queen of Sparta in '300'.

[rockthecasbah]

Unfortunately (:() it's officially been cancelled

UGHHHH

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/04/fall-tv-cheat-s.html
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/17/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-canceled/18840

[CSAgent]

Skynet WINS!

[Lone_Prodigy]

Cameron... :(

[Tornado F2]

Unfortunately (:() it's officially been cancelled

UGHHHH

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/04/fall-tv-cheat-s.html
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/17/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-canceled/18840

No way. That really sucks if true. They probably doomed it by shifting it to Friday night. Without TC to draw viewers like me to their channel I think Dollhouse will soon be gone too. (Unless they quickly draft Summer as the new lead doll, and the mom as a new boss of the company - that would improve DH's biggest problems).

I was planning on going to the new Terminator movie, but if they've cancelled the show then I guess I'll be cancelling that plan too - why should I reward them?

Now we'll never know how the liquid terminators came about (are they extraterrestrial?) or if they will join us against the robots.

At the very least they should produce some follow-up movies, a-la-Stargate, to bring some closure to the plot.

THIS REALLY SUCKS! >:(

[Tornado F2]

Cameron... :(

Wish they sold Cameron dolls in stores.

(No, not THAT Cameron... the kick-ass one!)

[silentio]

Dollhouse costs less to make and is inhouse - that is probably why it was kept. It probably only has 1 more season to prove itself.

Josh Friedman is the one to blame for this cancellation - only an idiot ignores what Fox executives told him NOT to do, then does exactly that for 3-4 episodes in Season 2.

That fool should be banned from Fox permanently.

[Tornado F2]

Dollhouse costs less to make and is inhouse - that is probably why it was kept. It probably only has 1 more season to prove itself.

Josh Friedman is the one to blame for this cancellation - only an idiot ignores what Fox executives told him NOT to do, then does exactly that for 3-4 episodes in Season 2.

That fool should be banned from Fox permanently.

Lena should kick him into that bottomless Sparta well.

The Fox execs too.

Not that I should be THAT surprised. Other than The Simpsons Fox have cancelled everything that was any good.

I've got to stop buying their boxsets and supporting them.

[rockthecasbah]

I've got to stop buying their boxsets and supporting them.

From what I understand, FOX doesn't profit from DVD sales as it's produced by WB Studios so whether it does amazing or horribly in DVD sales is moot for FOX at this point.

Another bad thing is that So You Think You Can Dance is coming back in the fall (even after the summer run that starts up very soon) which takes up a fair chunk of primetime slots in a week. That would be alright if it were NBC or ABC but FOX only has a primetime slot of 8-10 while others go to 11 so you lose a valuable 1 hour every night. Then there's also American Idol which takes up timeslots on more than one day. Maybe if they had that extra hour, quality written shows would get a better shot.

In any case, the leaked FOX schedule for next fall has been on the internets a few days before this confirmation of cancellation so it's not an entirely big surprise. It's just disappointing.

[Tornado F2]

From what I understand, FOX doesn't profit from DVD sales as it's produced by WB Studios so whether it does amazing or horribly in DVD sales is moot for FOX at this point.

Another bad thing is that So You Think You Can Dance is coming back in the fall (even after the summer run that starts up very soon) which takes up a fair chunk of primetime slots in a week. That would be alright if it were NBC or ABC but FOX only has a primetime slot of 8-10 while others go to 11 so you lose a valuable 1 hour every night. Then there's also American Idol which takes up timeslots on more than one day. Maybe if they had that extra hour, quality written shows would get a better shot.

In any case, the leaked FOX schedule for next fall has been on the internets a few days before this confirmation of cancellation so it's not an entirely big surprise. It's just disappointing.

VERY! Unless this gets reversed (like Jericho was, temporarily, after fans complained - and it wasn't even that good a show) it means I'm losing Terminator and Prison Break, two of the best shows on TV. I'm not sure I'll bother tuning in to any new shows, in the expectation that any good ones will inevitably be prematurely cancelled. The networks will only have themselves to blame when we stop watching broadcast TV entirely and just acquire the boxsets or downloads that interest us.

I am really starting to consider cancelling my cable subscriptions entirely. Even Sportsnet have seriously let us down on the soccer coverage these past 2 years, preferring to run poker shows instead. It's getting to be like they predicted - thousands of channels with nothing worthwhile on.

If The Buggles were still around it would be "Video Killed The TV Channels".

(Radio was killed by MP3).


So... Is Chuck still around on those TV schedules? That's dumb enough for the mass-market viewers, yet still has that something that keeps me viewing (mostly the babes). I keep noticing little clues that hint to Canadian scriptwriters too, like the use of Rush music in one episode. Hope it's not killed off too.

[Tornado F2]

Just found out - Chuck IS renewed - in the deadly Friday 8PM slot.>:(

Best Buy employees can celebrate for another 13 episodes.:)

[Riffer]

Somehow I don't think Summer Glau will be out of work for long..

[rockthecasbah]

Okay it's official. The Fox prez said they tried and gave it consistent scheduling (uhhh I would disagree. That hiatus then move to Friday gave it the final blow) but it has now ended its run. He said it was never an either or show like Dollhouse.

Link to the source is on the entertainment weekly website under ausiello files. I can post it when I'm back on a computer.

[camber]

Fox confirms 'Terminator' cancelled

On the eve of the theatrical release of the big budget "Terminator: Salvation," Fox confirmed the TV series "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" has been, well, terminated.

"It was not an inexpensive show," explained Fox entertainment president Kevin Reilly. "We had to make some choices on the night. We looked at ratings track where it had a consistent run. And that trend line was not pointing in the right direction. We make no apologies for that show -- we did a huge launch with that show. We tried. It was time to move on."

"Terminator" topped several fan polls when viewers were asked which show at risk of cancellation they'd most like to save. Though at-risk fellow fan favorites "Chuck" and "Dollhouse" were rescued from the network axe, not so "TSCC."

Fox was less inclined to bring back "Terminator" over "Dollhouse" partly because the first show is produced by Warner Bros and the second by the network's sister studio, 20th TV. Full Fox fall schedule.


http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/fox-confirms-terminator-cancellation.html

[Tornado F2]

The extra-wordy name, "The Sarah Connor Chronicles", didn't help the show. Anybody not in the know would probably think it was a sappy girls show, like that "Bridget whatever's Diary", and either skip it or, in the case of sappy girls, tuned in and found a very different show. And don't get me started on that other "TSCC" that we all know and (don't like). They should have just called it Terminator Chronicles, as I have always done.

Anyway, one possible hope for the show, failing an immediate fan-provoked restoration, is that they killed off several characters and shipped others off into the future. This will give them an excuse if characters/settings change in appearance (due to a change in actors, for example), especially if a different network picks up the rights to the show and wants to make its own changes.

Hope it does come back eventually, somewhere, but with a different producer.

[Tornado F2]

Looking at the LA Times list (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-tv-grid-sp,0,381932.special?vote46440781=1) and noting the shows that have actually been renewed, I get the impression the TV execs think only women watch TV as most of the shows seem oriented toward that market. Even the shows that blokes can watch tend to have strong female leads. The ladies have definitely won TV's "war of the sexes"!

[rockthecasbah]

By now most of you have heard the news that T:SCC is cancelled. I received a call earlier today from Peter Roth at Warner Bros. and I appreciate both his personal and professional support throughout this show’s life. I know a lot of you are angry about the cancellation and want to find a place to direct your anger and to that I say do yourself a favor and find a way to move past it. Every network wants a big fat hit, especially one with a brand name behind it, and Fox was/is no different. They supported the show, they supported my vision of the show, and they gave it plenty of time to find an audience.

And what an audience we found: passionate, intelligent, kind of nuts in a good way. My only complaint about the T:SCC fans is that there aren’t ten million of them. But I prefer to be happy for the ones we had instead of lamenting the ones we didn’t.

Good shows are cancelled every year; smart shows, worthy shows, shows which move their viewers to write blogs and have viewing parties and create action figures and bury executives’ email accounts under thousands of messages. I miss Deadwood and The Wire and Arrested Development but thank God that I still have Rescue Me and The Office and a recently renewed Party Down written by ex-T:SCC writer John Enbom.

Bad shows are cancelled, too. And certainly there are those who did not like what we did and had their own vision for what a Terminator TV show should be. It’s easy to look at low ratings or cancellation as “failure” and for those who believe we’ve gone about this all wrong I’m sure today’s news will only serve to confirm a world view that I would never try to change. We’ve written the show as best we can, executed it to the best of our abilities, and sent it out in the world knowing that we worked out asses off to do something that wouldn’t be a waste of anybody’s forty-three minutes.

Thanks to a brave and talented cast, a feature crew working on a TV schedule, and everyone else who I could list but won’t because they know who they are. Mostly I’d like to thank those of you who’ve supported us and fought for us and given up hours of your life to watch our show. At the end of the day, that’s what it’s about. The watching.

Hope we do it again soon.

Josh Friedman

http://www.fox.com/blogs/terminator/2009/05/18/one-last-thing-from-josh-friedman/#comment-25534

It's strange. The ratings were rather bad (which is not to say that the Neilsen ratings system isn't out of date and there should be just as much weight given to those who watch it in other ways) but everywhere I go on the web, I see tons of TSCC fans voicing their support for the show. It's overwhelming. It's sometimes hard to believe that even with so much vocal online support, it did so badly in the ratings.

[Tornado F2]

It's strange. The ratings were rather bad (which is not to say that the Neilsen ratings system isn't out of date and there should be just as much weight given to those who watch it in other ways) but everywhere I go on the web, I see tons of TSCC fans voicing their support for the show. It's overwhelming. It's sometimes hard to believe that even with so much vocal online support, it did so badly in the ratings.

The ratings MUST be wrong then. Most of my friends watched it, at least before it got shifted to Friday.

[Emoe]

rating system has some major flaws. a big one being there's no way to track the actual viewer #s as a hell of a lot of people torrent and stream via internet.

[SAN66]

rating system has some major flaws. a big one being there's no way to track the actual viewer #s as a hell of a lot of people torrent and stream via internet.

I really don't think the networks care about viewers who download torrents or illegally stream via the internet as they don't get any revenue form that.

The networks do factor in legal downloads (via sites like iTunes) and legal streaming (via sites like Hulu). This is why Dollhouse was renewed, as their PVR and Hulu audience was quite high.

If only we could get Hulu in Canada without some third party workaround that doesn't work half the time.

[CSAgent]

It's sad but chances are it won't get picked up again.

We had it good for awhile guys, at least we can still find solace in Chuck being brought back..albeit in the same time slot as TSCC pre-cancellation.

I'll discuss my distaste as to why Chuck got moved to Friday in its own thread.

Mods, I think it's time to...terminate this thread.

TSCC - 2008 - 2009.

[Tornado F2]

It's sad but chances are it won't get picked up again.

We had it good for awhile guys, at least we can still find solace in Chuck being brought back..albeit in the same time slot as TSCC pre-cancellation.

I'll discuss my distaste as to why Chuck got moved to Friday in its own thread.

Mods, I think it's time to...terminate this thread.

TSCC - 2008 - 2009.

No way. Why close the thread. So long as people are still talking about the show on the net there's still a chance word will get back to the networks and who knows, they might toss us a bone. Perhaps not a complete renewal, but a few Terminator movie specials could help tie up the storylines.

We need to keep up the resistance!

[cheepino]

Boycot everything soldiers. Its time for war!

[Rockstead]

I am just so saddened because of this news, the show was just fantastic.

[cheepino]

http://twitter.com/Craigatscifi/status/1839918505

http://twitter.com/Craigatscifi/status/1847307418



twitter or email them --> feedback@scifi.com



ashman01 - WB still holds options on the entire writing staff

ashman01 - if they wanted, they could exercise those options and bring us back


EMAIL/TWITTER/TEXT NOW. ITS A SMALL CHANCE THAT SYFY WILL RENEW TSCC BUT WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE!

[airodus]

http://www.fox.com/blogs/terminator/2009/05/18/one-last-thing-from-josh-friedman/#comment-25534

It's strange. The ratings were rather bad (which is not to say that the Neilsen ratings system isn't out of date and there should be just as much weight given to those who watch it in other ways) but everywhere I go on the web, I see tons of TSCC fans voicing their support for the show. It's overwhelming. It's sometimes hard to believe that even with so much vocal online support, it did so badly in the ratings.

Well the target demographic is probably skewed towards the internet savvy side.

[Tornado F2]

I am just so saddened because of this news, the show was just fantastic.

I guess you had to be in the right mindset. We fans got it, but newbs probably just got confused. Sad that TV, like newspapers, has to be aimed at lower IQs.

[Tornado F2]

EMAIL/TWITTER/TEXT NOW. ITS A SMALL CHANCE THAT SYFY WILL RENEW TSCC BUT WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE!

Sadly even that wouldn't help me, until Space finally aired it years from now.

I'll settle for a couple of 2 hour broadcast specials at this point.

I just hate the way good shows always come to an abrupt end.

[Tornado F2]

Well the target demographic is probably skewed towards the internet savvy side.

Apparently that was the big mistake. We should have just written letters to womens' magazines instead. Their shows run for years.

[Angela V]

Apparently that was the big mistake. We should have just written letters to womens' magazines instead. Their shows run for years.

Oh so because of us "women" shows like Stargate SG-1 ran for 10 years, Stargate Atlantis for 5 years, X-Files for 9 years, 3 Star Trek shows at 7 years each...etc :) I know not enough. I'm a woman who loves sci-fi and loved this show.

[Tornado F2]

Oh so because of us "women" shows like Stargate SG-1 ran for 10 years, Stargate Atlantis for 5 years, X-Files for 9 years, 3 Star Trek shows at 7 years each...etc :) I know not enough. I'm a woman who loves sci-fi and loved this show.

Haha, I was thinking just 30 minutes ago about how lucky your husband is to have found you. You're one in a million babe!:lol:

I wasn't referring to all women, just those who are into "chick flick" soap opera-type sap. There seems to be a lot of that type of show around.

PS: How's that Jeremiah show? The b-rate "stars" on the box kept me from checking it out, but the B5 connection gets me interested.

[Tornado F2]

Haha, I was thinking just 30 minutes ago about how lucky your husband is to have found you. You're one in a million babe!:lol:


That said, Amanda Tapping and Tori Higginson both used to live in S. Ontario. There are about 6 million women living in Ontario, so where are the other 3 sci-fi gals? Hope they're good-looking too!:lol:

[cheepino]

THE FIGHT IS NOT OVER UNTIL YOU LET IT!

http://twitter.com/Craigatscifi/status/1839918505
http://twitter.com/Craigatscifi/status/1859909043


CRAIG ENGLER WHO IS VICE-PRESIDENT OF SCI-FI CHANNEL HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN RENEWING TSCC SEASON 3!!!


HELP THE RESISTANCE SWAY THIS DECISION! TWITTER HIM OR EMAIL feedback@scifi.com AND TELL THEM HOW MUCH LOVE TSCC.!!!!



GOGOGO NO FATE

[Tornado F2]

If they don't renew the show I'm just going to have to step up work on my AI-controlled lawnmower project. Since there's nothing worthwhile left on TV I'll have plenty of time free. It should be less than a decade before my machines achieve world domination. Ya-ha-ha-ha!:evil:

[silentio]

THE FIGHT IS NOT OVER UNTIL YOU LET IT!

http://twitter.com/Craigatscifi/status/1839918505
http://twitter.com/Craigatscifi/status/1859909043


CRAIG ENGLER WHO IS VICE-PRESIDENT OF SCI-FI CHANNEL HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN RENEWING TSCC SEASON 3!!!


HELP THE RESISTANCE SWAY THIS DECISION! TWITTER HIM OR EMAIL feedback@scifi.com AND TELL THEM HOW MUCH LOVE TSCC.!!!!



GOGOGO NO FATE


What exactly did Craig Engler say about TSCC. That link just says he'll pass along feedback - that hardly qualifies as interest in anything.

[Evil Baby]

just got back from the movie. My review. Better than Wolverine, not as good as Star Trek.

edit: my bad, wrong thread.

[cheepino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCuAy4R2Agc

sarah connor Didn't give up on humanity... so don't give up on sarah connor...

[Tornado F2]

just got back from the movie. My review. Better than Wolverine, not as good as Star Trek.

edit: my bad, wrong thread.

Terminator's coming to get you!:lol:

[zegerman]

Terminator:TSCC cancelled in favour of Dollhouse :( Terminator series season 1 was good but season 2 I think lost a lot of viewers when they side tracked and had that string of episodes just about Sarah. Too bad there won't be a season 3.

Dollhouse has some promise. A little slow with the character development but that's Joss Whedon's style I suppose. Hope it really picks up in season 2.

[xpoint9]

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronciles has joined many a beloved genre property in the halls of TV Sci-Fi Valhalla, but could it return in some other form? According to TheTVAddict.com and ex-John Connor Thomas Dekker, the show might return as a direct-to-DVD movie following up to the show’s cliffhanger finale.

Granted, rumors of alternate-medium resurrections for canceled genre shows are like human skulls after Judgment Day – you can’t take a step without tripping over one. Then again, it’s not entirely unprecedented, what with the BSG folks filling the waiting time before Caprica with the upcoming direct-to-DVD Battlestar Galactica: The Plan. And I have it on good authority that both Buffy and Angel are living out fulfilling lives in two-dimensions on the comic-book page. But for every post-TV success story there’s a rumored Carnivale comic book some of us have been waiting on for years.

What do you think? Does Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles deserve a second chance on DVD? Or, after the series and this year’s Terminator Salvation, does the franchise need a nice, long hibernation? Either way, if Dekker’s wishful thinking proves reliable, I’m betting there are some die-hard Sarah Connor fans out there who absolutely will not stop – ever – until you buy it.
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Sarah-Connor-Chronicles-Returning-As-Direct-To-DVD-Film-19587.html

[zod]

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Sarah-Connor-Chronicles-Returning-As-Direct-To-DVD-Film-19587.html

I think it shows some respect completing the series. I've always hated the season ending cliffhanger BS. They do it to try and make the fans demand another season. They really don't seem to have the fans in mind if they don't get another season.

So many shows get axed without resolution. I have respect for any tv show that is bold up to wrap up its story lines on the season finale instead of going for a cliffhanger.

so it'd be nice to get a decent ending to the show.. find out what happened with the cliffhanger and all, but if they cliff hangered the dvd, that'd suck

[Lone_Prodigy]

A movie would be awesome (thinks of Serenity).

[silentio]

Salvation didnt do so well - I would imagine the studio executives leaving TSSC alone for the foreseeable future, especially given TSCC didnt do so well in the ratings on tv.

[dvdguy]

http://www.reuters.com/article/industryNews/idUSTRE57J2NM20090820

`Three companies owned by the producers of the film "Terminator Salvation" filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy this week, court documents showed, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.

[neilson]

http://www.reuters.com/article/industryNews/idUSTRE57J2NM20090820

`Three companies owned by the producers of the film "Terminator Salvation" filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy this week, court documents showed, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.

Good, they deserve to go bankrupt after that dogfood they tried to feed us at the movies in May.

[cheepino]

THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES SEASON 2 DVD is out on September 22, 2009


Buy your copies now and support a possible SEASON 3 or a DIRECT DVD MOVIE


http://www.scifiscoop.com/news/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-dvd-movie/

[xpoint9]

THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES SEASON 2 DVD is out on September 22, 2009


Buy your copies now and support a possible SEASON 3 or a DIRECT DVD MOVIE


http://www.scifiscoop.com/news/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-dvd-movie/

Sept. 22? that's quick, but i hope its good.

[airodus]

I think it shows some respect completing the series. I've always hated the season ending cliffhanger BS. They do it to try and make the fans demand another season. They really don't seem to have the fans in mind if they don't get another season.

So many shows get axed without resolution. I have respect for any tv show that is bold up to wrap up its story lines on the season finale instead of going for a cliffhanger.

so it'd be nice to get a decent ending to the show.. find out what happened with the cliffhanger and all, but if they cliff hangered the dvd, that'd suck

I thought the finale was complete BS. They knew that there was an extremely high chance that they would not get renewed, so they ended it with a franchise changing cliffhanger to try to force a renewal. I thought that was absolutely disrespectful to the viewers who wanted it to end with some closure (and reopen again with a fresh story if it got renewed). Cheap tricks aren't going to get you renewed, only ratings will.

On the other hand, because of what they tried to pull, I don't feel bad pretending that TSCC never existed.

[dealsflagred]

Get urs today!!!!:d:d:d:d:d

[JK_85]

Got mine!

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[dealsflagred]

TSCC Direct to DVD Movie

B.A.G. said he tHought there was a" good possibility" of this project happening since the dvds and blu rays were selling well and it was just a matter of number crunchig. here is the entire interview http://tv.ign.com/articles/103/1030362p3.html


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