IF YOU PLAN TO BUY "MONSTER CABLES", Don't Get Scammed- Read This First

[krowten_hsid]

" The more I read up on Monster Cable, the more outraged I become. Seriously, some of the stunts Monster Cable pulls off are borderline fraud. Below is a summary of the sleazy things Monster perpetuated:

Retail Product Displays Designed To Trick Un-educated Customers To Buy $100 Component Cables.

This was a Side by side demo that has "Monster Cable" video cable vs. Competitor video cables on separate TV's. The TV using monster cable looked amazing. The TV using a competitor cable looked like crap. However, if you looked behind both TV's, the competition was a 49 cent composite cable and Monster used component. If you didn't already know, composite cable provides the lowest picture quality and component cables generate excellent picture quality . If I used $1 RCA cables from a looney store and used them as a component cable, I guarantee that it would look better than composite.

http://www.theguruguys.com/news/xmas-buyers-beware-expensive-audio-video-cables


Monster Cable Demo That Uses Only One Video Source

Again, it was another side by side comparison. But this time the Demo didn’t even have separate video sources. Both poor and superior images shown in the side by side test patterns were coming from a single video source using stock composite cable. How asinine is that, the freaking demo didn't even use “Monster Cable”. It was basically just playing a DVD video of a test pattern. One side was all distorted to represent the competition and the other half had a crystal clear pattern to represent Monster. From the photo, you can see the DVD player and the lone composite cable.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff117/Bite_Me_CR/monster-2.gif




2006 Consumer Electronic Show (CES) Demo With "Monster Cable" Brand Speaker Wire

Monster put up a speaker wire display at the 2006 CES Show in Las Vegas. It had a single light bulb that was connected to 2 spools of wire and the same 12 volt source. Spool#1 was Monster and Spool#2 was a competitor. Monster told everyone that a brighter bulb meant the speaker cable would perform better at delivering better sound. So when they ran the test, the Monster wire generated a much brighter light compared to the competition. People in the audience were captivated as you could hear OHHHH and AHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!

Here’s an actual photo of the setup they used:

http://www.theguruguys.com/images/4.jpg

Can anyone take a guess why Monster’s speaker wires out performed the competition from what you see in the photo? Keep in mind that both spools are the same wire length.

The Monster wire was several times thicker than the competition.

Thicker Wire = More Electric Current = Brighter Light Bulb

If Monster repeated the test wth competitor wire of the same thickness, brightness of the bulb would be identical to Monster speaker wire.

Here’s a couple of links describing the 2006 Monster Display:

http://www.theguruguys.com/news/the-truth-about-overpriced-cables-again

http://www.audioholics.com/news/trade-show-coverage/2006-consumer-electronics-show-ces/ces-2006-blunders-deceptions-and-other-goofs



Monster Cable Fires 120 Employees, But Still Overcharges For Accessories

So Monster Cable fires 120 workers and moves operations to Mexico to reduce costs. Too bad the consumer doesn't see this cost savings.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/13/monster-cable--fires--120-employees-still-overcharge-for-accessor/



Here's the Icing on the cake. I saved the best for last !!!

Monster Cable Files Law-Suit for unauthorized use of the word “MONSTER”.
Defendants include:

Monster Garage (Discover Channel)
Monsters Inc (animated feature)
Monster House (animated feature)
Monster Park

Freaking unbelievable. If they win, Saseme street's Cookie Monster will be renamed Cookie.

Coincidentally, the law suit propelled Monster Cable to several "Hall of Shame" lists.

links:

http://monstervintage.com/Monster%20Cable/Boycott%20Monster%20cable%20products.htm

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/HallOfShame/MonsterCable/MonsterCable.shtml




One final note on Monster's $2200 AVS 2000 Voltage regulator. This is on page 4 of the user manual:



http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff117/Bite_Me_CR/MoreMonsterBS.gif

So you spend $2200 on some BS device to protect your system, and Monster makes sure their A$$ is covered just in case lightning destroys your system. Don't you think with all the money you spent, shouldn't it really protect your AV system.

Please share this info with Monster Fan-boys you know.

[prying eyes]

Who buys monster here, esp in RFD??? :confused:

Irrelevant and wrong forum to post...;)



.
J/king..thanks for the info

[Shar]

The legal crap is pretty incredible. Monster Cable pretty much sues anybody (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/08/BUG1J9N3C61.DTL&type=business) that uses the word "monster" in their business, and the worst part is that in some cases they've actually won or come to settlements.

[Frankie3s]

I've seen these so called "demos" at Futureshop in the past and have wondered just how reliable are their claims? What a rip.

[Cam_86]

Its the digital ones that piss me off the most... I mean an argument could be made, that you were getting higher quality analog cables with monster(negligibly better, and by no means worth the 5x more they charge over other reputable brands) But with HDMI/DVI/Spdif/optical, there is NO difference what-so-ever, in terms of quality, between a $300 monster cable, and a $6 one from monoprice. The signal is digital, so it either works flawlessly, or it does not work at all.

[Jon Lai]

Who buys monster here, esp in RFD??? :confused:

Irrelevant and wrong forum to post...;)

+1

RFD doesn't like Monster, everyone here is smart enough to not be tricked.

[FlintBlade]

Monster is for the rich and the noob and the nooby rich.

[ramaslamma]

Monster is for the rich and the noob and the nooby rich.

I got rocket fish.......:D

[007craft]

The signal is digital, so it either works flawlessly, or it does not work at all.

Thats not true at all. Different signals require different ammounts of badnwidth and some cables are not built to carry it etc etc. If you use a 1st generation hdmi cable today on an hdmi 1.3 device i gauruntee you will run into problems.

However it is true that monster cables are a BS overpriced waste of money. Monoprice has the same quality cables for like $20 vs monsters $300. And the also sell cheaper hdmi cables for $5 vs monsters for $120

[krowten_hsid]

Its the digital ones that piss me off the most... I mean an argument could be made, that you were getting higher quality analog cables with monster(negligibly better, and by no means worth the 5x more they charge over other reputable brands) But with HDMI/DVI/Spdif/optical, there is NO difference what-so-ever, in terms of quality, between a $300 monster cable, and a $6 one from monoprice. The signal is digital, so it either works flawlessly, or it does not work at all.

The best info I've ever gotten from Red Flag Deals was learning about Monoprice. Purchased 2 6ft HDMI cables and a vga to component cable adapter for under $20 including shipping. When I picked up my order at the post office I received an additional bonus, no taxes or customs fees. It took 2 weeks but it was well worth the wait. When I tested them, there was absolutely no difference between the 6ft Monoprice HDMI and a 3 ft Monster HDMI (cost me over $69) on a 71" 1080p HDTV with a 1080i feed. I figure the larger screen would help identify any detrimental effects (if any) in PQ by going to a longer non-Monster cable. Honestly, no difference whatsoever.

[naxos98]

I remember a while ago, when researching cables for my system, I wondered whether Monster cables were worth the money. My research lead me to find that as long as you have a large enough diameter wire, it will be able to get the signal through without a problem (you need to get a decent cable though ie. dollar store ones probably won't cut it).

If your eye can't pick up the difference between a regular cable and a Monster Cable what are you really paying for? Probably their lawyers:lol:

[BobW]

The legal crap is pretty incredible. Monster Cable pretty much sues anybody (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/08/BUG1J9N3C61.DTL&type=business) that uses the word "monster" in their business, and the worst part is that in some cases they've actually won or come to settlements.

This is actually not necessarily Monster Cables fault (crap..I'm defending them....). Under US trademark law, a company has to vigorously defend its trademark in order for the trademark to be upheld. If they don't defend the name, it can easily become public domain, so they sue Monster anything; not expecting to win them, but it is required under trademark law. Mattel has gone through tons of lawsuits on Barbie. Any store, etc that uses that name gets sued. It can take years and thousands of dollars to work through the law suits.

edited to add: Friends don't let friends by Monster (tm) brand cables!

[trixR4kids]

i rmb a few years back mcdonalds had sued places that used any sort of "mc" in their names, same idea no?

[honest thief]

Actually, I think the moral of the story is not to buy any expensive cables cables with a designer name attached to it. Go to your dollar store or home depot or buy Monoprice ones.

[nsr250]

I remember many years ago when my mom got a new DLP tv and DVD player from Futureshop the salesman sold her a friggin' $80 Monster component cable, god I was so pissed when she came home with it and she wouldn't return it either.

[redkid]

why call them cables first of all, they're just overpriced wires :)
no matter how you look at it, even if cable is worth +$300
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10041325&catid=25327

i just wouldn't be stupid enough to pay for it, when real cost is just a fraction of it !!

yeah they gotta pay for all the ads and trademarks but still y should I ?
if u put ANY other brand name competitor's cable you'll get the same quality. the idea is they offer the technology eg. use hdmi instead of rca, that's why it looks better.

has anybody seen the power demo @FS? where the dirty power makes noise of a radio station ? you can get a UPS for less than a clean power device !

well monster pays about 10% comission to salesman, that's why the push it, plus it's their job. IF BB reaches 8% of their sales in mosnter, they get a big bonus, plus huge spike on profit. It's their job to offer monster as it's mcdonal'ds employee job to try and upsize your combo

they give you the option, you're the one who says YES or NO
same as when buying a car from a dealer, most mechanics can do the same job or better for a lower price, you pay for name and convenience rite ?

these demos are funny, great waste of time and space if u ask me but hey.. that's retail 2 u. go to seal electronics to buy discoutned cables or to xscargo to buy discontinued monster @reduced prices, hee hee or simple check ebay you can get the same wire for less $$ :)

[Choosy]

heh.. kinda like bose
=p

[Rx-87]

oh man lol don't start on bose, that would be another 20 pages of discussion ;)

[jadoocian]

why call them cables first of all, they're just overpriced wires :)
no matter how you look at it, even if cable is worth +$300
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10041325&catid=25327
you can get the same wire for less $$ :)


I love the customer review for that product:

great cable, 9/7/2004
Reviewer: Yves, Roy
I just bought this cable. it`z awesume. It makez my ps1 look like a ps2! people say its good.




lol! WTF?! the cable makes his ps1 look like a ps2 eh... I wonder what would happen if I used them with my 360.... maybe I will get graphics of an xbox 720?

[ES_Revenge]

IF YOU PLAN TO BUY "MONSTER CABLES", Don't Get Scammed

Uh okay thanks for the tip, Captain Obvious!

Who buys monster here, esp in RFD??? :confused:

Irrelevant and wrong forum to post...;)



.
J/king..thanks for the info
Oh wait someone already said what I did, but more politely, :lol:

[masterballer]

I love the customer review for that product:

great cable, 9/7/2004
Reviewer: Yves, Roy
I just bought this cable. it`z awesume. It makez my ps1 look like a ps2! people say its good.




lol! WTF?! the cable makes his ps1 look like a ps2 eh... I wonder what would happen if I used them with my 360.... maybe I will get graphics of an xbox 720?

haha i lol'd

[seftonm]

Actually, I think the moral of the story is not to buy any expensive cables cables with a designer name attached to it. Go to your dollar store or home depot or buy Monoprice ones.
Depends what you're using the cables for. A revealing system will show a difference between dollar a store / Monoprice cable and a quality, well-built one.

[honest thief]

Depends what you're using the cables for. A revealing system will show a difference between dollar a store / Monoprice cable and a quality, well-built one.

I doubt it but if you believe that then so be it.

[seftonm]

I doubt it but if you believe that then so be it.
I've listened myself and every audio cable I've sold has had comments on the sound. Not just against Monoprice but against expensive stuff as well.

[ES_Revenge]

But with HDMI/DVI/Spdif/optical, there is NO difference what-so-ever, in terms of quality, between a $300 monster cable, and a $6 one from monoprice. The signal is digital, so it either works flawlessly, or it does not work at all.

Yes and no. Yes because the $6 cable at Monoprice probably cost the exact same to make as the $300 (well let's be realistic and say $100) cable from Monster Cable. Only Monster makes $94 more profit on their cables than Monoprice does.

No because what you said about a digital signal working or not working and it being the same no matter what transmits it provided it works, isn't really true. You forgot about things like interference and jitter which can affect the signal from transmission point to reception point, within whatever carries the signal.

Now in most cases, even a cable that causes significantly more jitter in the signal than another, will not result in any significant change in the output on the other end. Not for most humans anyway. Perhaps specialised test equipment measuring quantitative values, but not usually something noticeably seen or heard by people. But the fact is you can indeed have a digital signal transmitted in one cable that "works" just fine, that isn't as perfect as a signal in another higher quality cable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitter

Now you may want to pass off jitter (and everything else) saying what I did in that it's meaningless because it doesn't usually cause any noticeable problems, but you'd be wrong. Jitter, interference, crosstalk, etc. are very real and important aspect of signal transmission. If engineers weren't aware of this when making transmission standards, you'd never be able to see any of these connections work properly in the first place--they'd never exist because they'd have too many problems if they didn't account for these things when making such standards. You wouldn't have S/PDIF, you wouldn't have HDMI, you wouldn't have USB or SATA, or any connections working properly and reliably if all of these kinds of signal transmission problems weren't addressed and dealt with in the specification.

Digital means 1s and 0s, sure but it doesn't mean there's just a bunch of 1s and 0s going down any digital connection, however they like. There's all sorts of things going on that make those 1s and 0s get to where they're going and get there properly... You've got your wordclock/clock rate(s), modulation type, subcodes, signal levels, and all sorts of things going on. It's not just as simple as "hey I plugged it in and it worked so it must be the exact same as any other cable that I plug in and works". Well sure it's that simple for you, but don't forget what's going on is actually a lot more complicated than that.

Also keep in mind professionals in industry often use different types of connections to do similar things that consumers do. For example where S/PDIF transmission for consumers takes place over either RCA-type 75-ohm coax. or relatively cheap Toslink optical cables, more serious transmission of similar (and even the same) signals requires the use of AES/EBU using XLR cables built to higher standards, using transmission with higher signalling levels, and with tighter tolerances in general. The same can be applied to many other transmission/interconnect standards at the consumer level. There's a reason for this, and it's not because "anything that works at all is perfect because if it weren't it wouldn't be working", believe me.

Anyway I'm definitely NOT saying Monster Cable produces anything that is worth buying at the prices it sells for. What I am saying is the statement that digital transmissions "either work flawlessly or not at all" is, well, seriously flawed.

[seftonm]

Thank you for that. I wish more people would understand that digital doesn't mean that either it works or it doesn't.

[honest thief]

I've listened myself and every audio cable I've sold has had comments on the sound. Not just against Monoprice but against expensive stuff as well.

Were any of your cables "danceable"? Since you can year comments of your cables then you must be able to hear the differences. You should volunteer yourself and do a double blind test like Mike Lavigne did before he was humbled.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918365

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941184

or better yet, why don't you step up and take up this challenge and win yourself a million dollars. All you have to do is tell the difference between Monster Cables and Pear cables:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-********/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better-305549.php

Once you win you will have my and every audiophile's utmost respect on your hearing ability.

[seftonm]

I don't know if my cables are danceable. Nobody has told me they were so I suppose they're not. Note that my cables are interconnects, not speaker cables. The differences between interconnects will likely be more apparent than the differences between speaker cables. Audio engineers often use balanced interconnects instead of the typical consumer unbalanced cable, yet their speaker cables still operate in the same way.

[Sweet Juicy Bacon]

why call them cables first of all, they're just overpriced wires :)
no matter how you look at it, even if cable is worth +$300
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10041325&catid=25327

i just wouldn't be stupid enough to pay for it, when real cost is just a fraction of it !!

yeah they gotta pay for all the ads and trademarks but still y should I ?
if u put ANY other brand name competitor's cable you'll get the same quality. the idea is they offer the technology eg. use hdmi instead of rca, that's why it looks better.

has anybody seen the power demo @FS? where the dirty power makes noise of a radio station ? you can get a UPS for less than a clean power device !

well monster pays about 10% comission to salesman, that's why the push it, plus it's their job. IF BB reaches 8% of their sales in mosnter, they get a big bonus, plus huge spike on profit. It's their job to offer monster as it's mcdonal'ds employee job to try and upsize your combo

they give you the option, you're the one who says YES or NO
same as when buying a car from a dealer, most mechanics can do the same job or better for a lower price, you pay for name and convenience rite ?

these demos are funny, great waste of time and space if u ask me but hey.. that's retail 2 u. go to seal electronics to buy discoutned cables or to xscargo to buy discontinued monster @reduced prices, hee hee or simple check ebay you can get the same wire for less $$ :)

Future Shop Community Forum. FS manager/mod saying demos are not intended to deceive.

http://www.futureshopforums.ca/futureshop/board/message?board.id=hometheatre&thread.id=3374


Sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. Otherwise I would not have started another thread in Computers and Electronics.

[lil_c09]

dugg.

http://digg.com/hardware/Thinking_of_buying_monster_cables_Think_again

Lets make sure everyone knows about the trickery the company uses.

[trixR4kids]

i once bought video cables from a dollarstore and they were without doubt, the worst pos i have ever used in my life. But it was like a year ago and i desperately needed cheap cables to hook up.

[snufkyn]

not sure about the video cables or the audio cables described in the gizmodo link as i do not have experience with those...

-there is however a definite difference between lo-z and hi-z cables when i mix and record audio,
-however, if both cables are lo-z or both are hi-z, the difference is negligible and practically a matter of taste, and usually inaudible to most people on most systems
-that said, when i deal with my clients, and i say "i use so-and-so equipment", it gives them peace of mind and they are happier customers.

[slicecom]

My favorite Monster display is the one where they compare "Generic" Composite cables to Monster Component cables. Yes, there's a huge difference, but try comparing Monsters $200 Component cables to Monoprices $3 Component cables and see if you can see a difference!

[seftonm]

My favorite Monster display is the one where they compare "Generic" Composite cables to Monster Component cables. Yes, there's a huge difference, but try comparing Monsters $200 Component cables to Monoprices $3 Component cables and see if you can see a difference!
It's entirely possible that you will see a difference.

[prying eyes]

Care TO Elaborate on what differences????
It's entirely possible that you will see a difference.

[Kasakato]

Care TO Elaborate on what differences????

The guy sells cables on his poorly made site (in his sig). Of course hes bias.

[seftonm]

The guy sells cables on his poorly made site (in his sig). Of course hes bias.
I know what I am talking about and what buyers have told me regarding their experiences. Not everybody will notice a difference when changing cables, however some do notice a difference. If I'm coming across as biased, show me where, as I want people to be able to reach their own conclusions.

Care TO Elaborate on what differences????
Personally, I noticed less noise / interference in the picture when switching from a cheap cable to one with better shielding. Buyers have said they saw differences in color saturation and brightness.

[slicecom]

I know what I am talking about and what buyers have told me regarding their experiences. Not everybody will notice a difference when changing cables, however some do notice a difference. If I'm coming across as biased, show me where, as I want people to be able to reach their own conclusions.


Personally, I noticed less noise / interference in the picture when switching from a cheap cable to one with better shielding. Buyers have said they saw differences in color saturation and brightness.

Yes, there could be a negligible difference in quality, but obviously Monster doesn't feel the vast majority of people could see it, or else they would compare apples to apples (Monster component vs. generic component).

[seftonm]

Yes, there could be a negligible difference in quality, but obviously Monster doesn't feel the vast majority of people could see it, or else they would compare apples to apples (Monster component vs. generic component).
This is probably more accurate: Monster felt that more people would see a difference between generic composite and Monster component than generic component vs Monster component. Why would they show a small difference in component vs component when they could show a big difference in composite vs component? Most of the people who would be impressed by that demo probably don't even know the difference between composite and component.

[krowten_hsid]

This is probably more accurate: Monster felt that more people would see a difference between generic composite and Monster component than generic component vs Monster component. Why would they show a small difference in component vs component when they could show a big difference in composite vs component? Most of the people who would be impressed by that demo probably don't even know the difference between composite and component.

This is Monster's underlining business philosophy:

"Screw The Uneducated" with 2 key criteria:

1/ Relying on the fact that majority of people seeing these displays, such as composite vs component or thin speaker cable vs thicker cable, will not understand the technology or physics behind it.

2/ Because these unsuspecting people are overwhelmed by differences they observe in these demos, Monster implements a 200% to 300% mark up cost knowing the buyer is none the wiser


This protocol of deception and inflated pricing is written into everything Monster sells.

[blakjak]

This only goes to prove that as long as there are people with more money than brains (and there are many), these snake oil type sales pitches will always work.

From a business sense, I would prefer to sell 5 gullible people a $300 cable each than sell 100 to more intelligent people a $3 cable each.

A fool and his money...

[Amiro]

OK, so even I have the judgment to ask myself if the stuff they sell really works/is worth what you pay for, esp. the clean power things. The concept sounds like a good one, if it's true and not some deceiptful marketing, but the $150 price tag seemed too steep for me to accept their demo as is (which is why I'm here trying to learn about if it's BS or not!)

But on the other hand, just about to buy a $2,000 HDTV, so I don't want to take chances with it.

Can someone please help me out as to what I should hook up the TV to? Is a surge protector with the ability to "clean power" recommended? What brand?

Or just get a plain old $20 power surge protector for the TV and sound system?

Thanks!

[brunes]

This is probably more accurate: Monster felt that more people would see a difference between generic composite and Monster component than generic component vs Monster component. Why would they show a small difference in component vs component when they could show a big difference in composite vs component? Most of the people who would be impressed by that demo probably don't even know the difference between composite and component.

I think you're missing the point here. The poster is talking about how it is ridiculous to compare generic *ANYHTHING* to Monster *ANYTHING*, because the generic is frankly crap and everyone knows it anyway. This comparison shows the consumer nothing.

What would be being compared is a low cost high quality cable, like Monoprice offers, to Monster. In this comparison there would be no quality difference whatsoever and people would know the outragous markup Monster has on their cables.

The whole cable industry is nothing but a bunch of snake-oil salesman, no better than the people who sell those Q-Ray ionized bracelets. The transmission of data over copper is physics. You can take a monster cable and scientifically prove it is no better than the Monoprice cable but some audiophile type people will still buy it because of the marketing baloney and higher pricetag.

[brunes]

OK, so even I have the judgment to ask myself if the stuff they sell really works/is worth what you pay for, esp. the clean power things. The concept sounds like a good one, if it's true and not some deceiptful marketing, but the $150 price tag seemed too steep for me to accept their demo as is (which is why I'm here trying to learn about if it's BS or not!)

But on the other hand, just about to buy a $2,000 HDTV, so I don't want to take chances with it.

Can someone please help me out as to what I should hook up the TV to? Is a surge protector with the ability to "clean power" recommended? What brand?

Or just get a plain old $20 power surge protector for the TV and sound system?
Thanks!

If you call Rogers and ask they do not support you plugging your STB into any electronically controlled power bar whatsoever, $20 or $2000. All they recommend is a direct line tap type power bar. And I know from experience with my $80 unit that yes, they DO actually screw up the signal quite a bit

Since I ran into this I no longer recommend these units to anyone, I don't trust that they aren't creating their own interference.

The TV is covered under your homeowners insurance in case of power surge or lightning strike anyway. That $150 power bar is probably nearly your deductible you'd have to pay out, *IF* that ever happens AND frys your TV.

[Khrak]

A fool and their money are easily parted.

Anyone actually buying Monster cables would just lose it elsewhere if you stop them now. Not much point.

[Amiro]

If you call Rogers and ask they do not support you plugging your STB into any electronically controlled power bar whatsoever, $20 or $2000. All they recommend is a direct line tap type power bar. And I know from experience with my $80 unit that yes, they DO actually screw up the signal quite a bit

Since I ran into this I no longer recommend these units to anyone, I don't trust that they aren't creating their own interference.

So the concept of cleaning out the noise from the electricity is hogwash? I wasn't sure if everyone was saying Monster was overpriced but it's still worth investing in a power regulator + surge protector device. Belkin makes some nice ones that are reasonably priced.

[brunes]

So the concept of cleaning out the noise from the electricity is hogwash? I wasn't sure if everyone was saying Monster was overpriced but it's still worth investing in a power regulator + surge protector device. Belkin makes some nice ones that are reasonably priced.

That's what I am saying. And that's what Rogers will tell you if you call and talk to the service tech.

The first thing they will sak you if you call about signal problems is "Is your set top box or cable line plugged into a power bar? Unplug it and plug it right into the wall - they cause nothing but problems".

[Amiro]

Brunes, do you have any links to any AV sites or articles so I can read up more on this?

First link I came across when I did a quick search was this, but it may be biased as he's an AV tester...

Article (http://www.avrev.com/equip/monsterhts3500/index.html)

[killbillvol1]

+1 for OP and monoprice.

Part of the reason for Monster continuing to do what they are is the way the big box stores operate (eg the FS guys making big commish off the accessories). Places like Best Buy are the absolute worst, where the sales people just totally scare monger people that are not electronics-savvy at all into making big splurges towards the cables and other overpriced accessories (like the $500 stands!).

[krowten_hsid]

+1 for OP and monoprice.

Part of the reason for Monster continuing to do what they are is the way the big box stores operate (eg the FS guys making big commish off the accessories). Places like Best Buy are the absolute worst, where the sales people just totally scare monger people that are not electronics-savvy at all into making big splurges towards the cables and other overpriced accessories (like the $500 stands!).

The most honest sales guy I ever encountered was at The Source by CC. A customer was debating whether or not to get $50 Monster S-Video cables or $20 gold plated in store brand to connect an old crt TV to a VCR. I overheard him telling the customer to go to the other end of the mall where there was a Dollar store and purchase one of their S-Video cables. He added that there would be virtually no difference in PQ if he used the $1 cable. The customer left extremely grateful for the advice.

It was obvious that the customer was clueless and the salesman could have totally reamed the guy. I wonder what he'd end up buying if it was a Future Shop.

[laptop-tech]

The most honest sales guy I ever encountered was at The Source by CC. A customer was debating whether or not to get $50 Monster S-Video cables or $20 gold plated in store brand to connect an old crt TV to a VCR. I overheard him telling the customer to go to the other end of the mall where there was a Dollar store and purchase one of their S-Video cables. He added that there would be virtually no difference in PQ if he used the $1 cable. The customer left extremely grateful for the advice.

It was obvious that the customer was clueless and the salesman could have totally reamed the guy. I wonder what he'd end up buying if it was a Future Shop.


So you believe that the dollar store cable performs just as good as a monster cable ?


Wow....

[krowten_hsid]

So you believe that the dollar store cable performs just as good as a monster cable ?


Wow....

We're talking S-Video, the 2nd worst medium for conveying video signals.

Yes, I would agree with the sales guy at CC. I would think there would be little or no benefit spending over $50 on an S-Video cable to hook up an old VCR to an even older tube TV.

Would you pay for a cable that cost twice as much as the video device you planned to hook it up to ?

[cloneman]

So you believe that the dollar store cable performs just as good as a monster cable ?


Wow....

Depends. Often an inexpensive cable can be just as as good, even with large TVs. From what I imagine, especially for HDMI cables, which are digital, and signal carrying ability does not translate into loss of image quality unless it's very significant.

[killbillvol1]

So you believe that the dollar store cable performs just as good as a monster cable ?


Wow....

Good job generalizing a specific answer given to a specific incident. The poster you replied to (krowten_hsid) said that a dollar store s-video would be comparable to any other s-video cable for the instance of a person hooking up an old CRT TV to a VCR.

I can frankly say you can buy speaker cable sold elsewhere that performs much better than 16 gauge monster speaker cable sold at 5-10X the cost.

I just find it amazing how some of the salespeople at Best Buy will knowingly screw customers. It's not like the $50 Belkin Gold USB cable will help them print to their $99 printer, anymore than a $1 USB cable at the dollar store. Atleast the Future Shop guys have commish coming to them for high margin items.

[m4gician]

former futureshop employee, basically all they're doing with monster cables is making 300% profit. Seriously the cost pricing on them is ridiculously low, just look it up on the screen next time FS checks inventory.

[laptop-tech]

Good job generalizing a specific answer given to a specific incident. The poster you replied to (krowten_hsid) said that a dollar store s-video would be comparable to any other s-video cable for the instance of a person hooking up an old CRT TV to a VCR.


Thats not what I did. The previous poster said the salesrep was the most honest guy because he told the customer to buy a 1.00 cable instead either monster or generic store brand cable. By doing so he is endorsing the 1.00 cable as a product as effective as the 20.00 or 50.00 ones, and I disagree with that. If monster cables are worth 50.00...humm.... that depends from person to person. Maybe for me, not for you. Is a Honda civic worth more than my domestic dodge Neon ? Most people will say yes but I disagree. Everyone sees value in different ways. Saying that a dollar store cable will perform as good as a monster is ridiculous. If you disagree that monster is worth 50.00 then its ok as this is your preception of the value the product has, but you cant deny that theres an absurd difference in quality built.

I'll go a little further. Compare the price of Pioneer plasmas to panasonic tvs. Theres a huge premium. Is it worth ? for some customers yes, others not. According to the other guy here an honest salesperson would recommend his customer buy the Maxent, as "his tv needs are basic".

[Capt.]

Saying that a dollar store cable will perform as good as a monster is ridiculous.

I think you're ridiculous for trying to justify the price of Monster cables. Letting your self interests come out much?

[Amiro]

The previous poster said the salesrep was the most honest guy because he told the customer to buy a 1.00 cable instead either monster or generic store brand cable. By doing so he is endorsing the 1.00 cable as a product as effective as the 20.00 or 50.00 ones, and I disagree with that.

The salesrep was endorsing the $1 cable for THAT SPECIFIC APPLICATION. Not generalizing it. And you still haven't acknowledged that in his case, the $1 cable would have been just fine. You seem to say that Monster is always better and the difference can be noticeable, as if it's a golden rule.

[blakjak]

I have tried both a discount s-video cable and an over-priced heavy-duty s-video cable (both 6 ft long) on my system at home and saw zero difference in picture quality. I did the same with 2 HDMI cables as well (one with ferrite chokes and a discount one without) and saw zero difference! While it may make a difference on a longer cable run, it makes no difference on a 6ft run (or less, I presume). Most people will not need more than that.

As far as I'm concerned, people that buy Monster cables or any other over-priced cable and then claim it is incredibly better than a discount cable (from monoprice, for example), are only trying to convince themselves that this is the case. They try to justify (again, mainly to themselves) being duped into spending a ton of cash for it.

Another thing to remember - if two copper wires are the same length and guage, they will have the exact same characteristics, whether they cost $1 or $300. You can't change the law of physics!

[seftonm]

Another thing to remember - if two copper wires are the same length and guage, they will have the exact same characteristics, whether they cost $1 or $300. You can't change the law of physics!
That's true, but an interconnect is more than a copper wire, otherwise we could use lamp cord everywhere. How about things like dielectric material, termination quality, and shielding? HD component video and SPDIF audio is in the MHz range where cables start to act as transmission lines and impedance characteristics will become more important.

[laptop-tech]

That's true, but an interconnect is more than a copper wire, otherwise we could use lamp cord everywhere. How about things like dielectric material, termination quality, and shielding? HD component video and SPDIF audio is in the MHz range where cables start to act as transmission lines and impedance characteristics will become more important.


Dont worry about those things... the folks here believe they can get them for 0.95

I love the folks spending 3000.00 on a tv and .95 cents on a dollar store cable, then they dont get a good picture quality, blame the tv and return it saying its "defective". Then they start a thread on RFD bashing the cable company, the tv maker and Costco for changing the return policy.....lol

[laptop-tech]

I think you're ridiculous for trying to justify the price of Monster cables. Letting your self interests come out much?

I think you need some new glasses. I did not try to justify the price of the Monster cable.... I made my opinion clear that I believe they perform better than a dollar store cable. Hold both cables and tell me they are built the same way. If you cannot understand basic concepts of electricity, then nothing can save your soul and you will always buy your cables at Dollarama. Good for you.

[Sweet Juicy Bacon]

Dont worry about those things... the folks here believe they can get them for 0.95

I love the folks spending 3000.00 on a tv and .95 cents on a dollar store cable, then they dont get a good picture quality, blame the tv and return it saying its "defective". Then they start a thread on RFD bashing the cable company, the tv maker and Costco for changing the return policy.....lol


I think you need some new glasses. I did not try to justify the price of the Monster cable.... I made my opinion clear that I believe they perform better than a dollar store cable. Hold both cables and tell me they are built the same way. If you cannot understand basic concepts of electricity, then nothing can save your soul and you will always buy your cables at Dollarama. Good for you.

It amazes me how some Monster Fan boys are so condescending and arrogant.

Just like a Fan Boy at my workplace. He recently spent over $700 on a bunch of Monster cables for his 42" Plasma. Kept telling everyone at the office that the cables were worth every cent. So I bet him for a foot long subway combo that he'd be unable to tell the difference between dollar rca cables and his $100 Monster cables on my 61" DLP. He came to my house with his Monster component cable and I conducted the following test:

Hid behind my TV and connected each cable to an up-converting DVD player and played the same scene 5 times for each cable. For his Monster Cable, he chose it correctly 2 times out of 5. In other words, he thought the dollar rca cables were Monster 3 times out 5.

He was quite pissed making BS claims like my TV was too big or the DVD player was defective. I offered to redo the test using a 1080i satellite receiver but he declined. If anything, a larger HDTV will help identify PQ differences.

Anyway, the arrogant prick refused to pay up.

[cloneman]

I think this thread has gone to far. Does anyone disagree with any of the following:

1) Monster Cables (and similar expensive brands) are way overpriced; a 200$ cable costs about 5$ to manufacture, at the very most, and are sold to best buy/future shop employees for about 15-20$.

2) Dollar store are alright for most applications, except maybe bigscreen TVs.

3) In the case of cables that carry a digital signal (DVI, HDMI) it should make no difference whatsoever the quality of the cable, the picture will be the same since digital is on or off. someone may want to correct me on this one as I'm not 100% certain

4) Cables that cost 20$ are probably comparable to 200$ cables in most cases. dollar store cables are not in this class.

[seftonm]

In the case of cables that carry a digital signal (DVI, HDMI) it should make no difference whatsoever the quality of the cable, the picture will be the same since digital is on or off. someone may want to correct me on this one as I'm not 100% certain

Digital is just 1's and 0's, but I would still want to make sure to get a decent cable. I'm picky like that though. Being digital does not make a signal immune to noise/interference or impedance mismatches. Digital signals also have their own problems like jitter and clock sync. Twisted pair digital video cables like HDMI and DVI don't seem as resilient over long runs as analog signals if mediocre cable is used. Cable quality does make a difference, but for short runs it may not be as big of deal as noise, impedance mismatches, and signal skew may not build up to the extent that would be needed to affect the received signal.


4) Cables that cost 20$ are probably comparable to 200$ cables in most cases. dollar store cables are not in this class.

I agree to an extent. Monster's $20 cables are probably not comparable to their $200 cables, but there are some $20 cables from other assemblers that would be very close to Monster's $200 cables.

[slicecom]

Report reminds us: don't get burned by overpriced cables (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/11/28/report-reminds-us-dont-get-burned-by-overpriced-cables/)

[mystery]

I met a guy who actually spent around $1000 in monster cables. I tried to tell him he wasted his money (in a nice way), but he was acting like I was the one who was mistaken. I told him whatever makes him happy is fine with me. Obviously he has justify his huge expense or else he'll feel cheated. He bought them from Best Buy.

I was afraid to ask if he got the PSP .....

[krowten_hsid]

I think you need some new glasses. I did not try to justify the price of the Monster cable.... I made my opinion clear that I believe they perform better than a dollar store cable. Hold both cables and tell me they are built the same way. If you cannot understand basic concepts of electricity, then nothing can save your soul and you will always buy your cables at Dollarama. Good for you.

Dont worry about those things... the folks here believe they can get them for 0.95

I love the folks spending 3000.00 on a tv and .95 cents on a dollar store cable, then they dont get a good picture quality, blame the tv and return it saying its "defective". Then they start a thread on RFD bashing the cable company, the tv maker and Costco for changing the return policy.....lol


I met a guy who actually spent around $1000 in monster cables. I tried to tell him he wasted his money (in a nice way), but he was acting like I was the one who was mistaken. I told him whatever makes him happy is fine with me. Obviously he has justify his huge expense or else he'll feel cheated. He bought them from Best Buy.

I was afraid to ask if he got the PSP .....

Guess that's why a certain fan-boy goes ape$hit when we talk Monoprice and Dollar Stores.

[Khrak]

Guess that's why a certain fan-boy goes ape$hit when we talk Monoprice and Dollar Stores.

It's exactly why.

People don't like finding out that they're idiots. :cheesygri

As mentioned before, with the HDMI cables, you're using an error-checked system to transmit the data. Would you ever go out and spend $50 on a SATA cable for your harddrive? After all, just one wrong bit could easily result in a system crash. Of course not, there are systems in check to deal with the errors and, if needed, have the data retransmitted before it is ever needed. The result of transfer errors in a system like this is reduced bandwidth. As long as the net bandwidth is enough to satisfy the output requirements there will be no distortion. NONE. 100% precisely exact same picture. Anyone who says they could see the difference is either lying, or delusional.

There are systems in place in each device to ensure that each device has precisely the same data. Should the net bandwidth every drop before the requirements, you would quickly see massive distortion. I'm pretty sure by now everyone has seen distortion of a digital signal in some way, shape, or form. It's pretty obvious when you see it.

As for $0.95 analog cables, I wouldn't buy them. Not because Monster user super-ultra-mega-idiot-fooling-copper, but because they're far thinner. Buy a cable from Monoprice and you get the same thing as you get from Monster, at 5% of the price.

[MrBurns]

Monster Cable had some really good products (cables..) back in the late 80's to mid 90's; I have some of the speaker and interconnect wires. Since then it seems they have been on a downhill course wich is now below ground level.
Stay away, also stay away from places that would cheat you like the original article mentions.

[seftonm]

As mentioned before, with the HDMI cables, you're using an error-checked system to transmit the data. Would you ever go out and spend $50 on a SATA cable for your harddrive? After all, just one wrong bit could easily result in a system crash. Of course not, there are systems in check to deal with the errors and, if needed, have the data retransmitted before it is ever needed. The result of transfer errors in a system like this is reduced bandwidth. As long as the net bandwidth is enough to satisfy the output requirements there will be no distortion. NONE. 100% precisely exact same picture. Anyone who says they could see the difference is either lying, or delusional.

With HDMI, there is no time for a retransmit. The data is processed and displayed the moment it is received.


As for $0.95 analog cables, I wouldn't buy them. Not because Monster user super-ultra-mega-idiot-fooling-copper, but because they're far thinner. Buy a cable from Monoprice and you get the same thing as you get from Monster, at 5% of the price.
You're not getting the same thing from Monoprice. If it's not their premium cables, you're likely getting a low coverage aluminum braided shield and small center conductor. The premium cables are better shielded and have a better conductor but they're no longer 5% of the price.

[brunes]

With HDMI, there is no time for a retransmit. The data is processed and displayed the moment it is received.


This is irrelevant because the ECC is contained in the original data stream, just like it is with all binary data streams. This is because no cable is perfect, not even optical. You're always going to drop some bits, which is the whole point of ECC.


You're not getting the same thing from Monoprice. If it's not their premium cables, you're likely getting a low coverage aluminum braided shield and small center conductor. The premium cables are better shielded and have a better conductor but they're no longer 5% of the price.

a) The most expensive cables at monoprice are 1/50 the price of the same Monster cable.

b) We have already discussed ad infinitum, unless you work in a power plant, for runs of 6 feet or less braided vs. non-braided and shielding makes no difference whatsoever because IT IS A DIGITAL SIGNAL WITH ECC BUILT INTO THE PROTOCOL.. And under no circumstances are you going to experience QUALITY LOSS, if anything you will experience DROP OUTS OR MACRO BLOCKING, either of which is detectable within minutes of turning on the set.

[Khrak]

With HDMI, there is no time for a retransmit. The data is processed and displayed the moment it is received.
In that case, they will be including error checking in the original data stream. Instead of losing bandwidth through re-transmission, bandwidth is lost through the inclusion of parody bits. See Hamming codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_code) for a simple error detection method. Either way, digital systems include robust error-checking systems to keep ensure identical data at both ends of the cable. Unless the cable is extremely faulty (which would instantly show massive distortions), there is no difference. Buy the $5 cable when it goes on sale at monoprice and you've got the same thing as the $150 Monster cable.


You're not getting the same thing from Monoprice. If it's not their premium cables, you're likely getting a low coverage aluminum braided shield and small center conductor. The premium cables are better shielded and have a better conductor but they're no longer 5% of the price.

Try chopping open a monoprice cable and seeing what is inside. They're very well made. 99% of the time the materials and the conductor sizes are in the description, and you even have the option to choose your AWG for many cables. I personally find it funny that Monster has somehow convinced people that they need some absurd amount of shielding to go from the back of their dvd player to the back of their TV. Do you run your cable through a MRI or something? A simple light braided shield is perfectly fine for anything under 50 feet.

[hagbard]

Monster cables, Arctic Silver, Apple computers...the list goes on. So much hype, so little reality.

[seftonm]

This is irrelevant because the ECC is contained in the original data stream, just like it is with all binary data streams. This is because no cable is perfect, not even optical. You're always going to drop some bits, which is the whole point of ECC.

Read sections 5.4.4.1 and 5.4.4.2 of the HDMI specification. The video data is encoded in a way to help minimize the number of transitions. Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding from that spec has always been that there is no ECC for the video data.
http://www.hdmi.org/download/HDMI_Spec_1.3_GM1.pdf


a) The most expensive cables at monoprice are 1/50 the price of the same Monster cable.

You'll have to be more specific as to which cable type. Looking at component video cables, Monoprice has a 3' cable for $10.83, Monster's most expensive 3.3' cable is $120.


b) We have already discussed ad infinitum, unless you work in a power plant, for runs of 6 feet or less braided vs. non-braided and shielding makes no difference whatsoever because IT IS A DIGITAL SIGNAL WITH ECC BUILT INTO THE PROTOCOL.. And under no circumstances are you going to experience QUALITY LOSS, if anything you will experience DROP OUTS OR MACRO BLOCKING, either of which is detectable within minutes of turning on the set.

I was discussing analog cables there. At any rate, how is macroblocking not quality loss? It certainly doesn't look as good.

Try chopping open a monoprice cable and seeing what is inside. They're very well made. 99% of the time the materials and the conductor sizes are in the description, and you even have the option to choose your AWG for many cables. I personally find it funny that Monster has somehow convinced people that they need some absurd amount of shielding to go from the back of their dvd player to the back of their TV. Do you run your cable through a MRI or something? A simple light braided shield is perfectly fine for anything under 50 feet.

My cables are 10-15 feet long and run through my ceiling. They cross a few household wires and are a few feet from a fluorescent light. Monoprice does not say what their braid is made of for the cheap cables, but the premium ones say tinned copper. That leads me to believe the cheap ones aren't tinned copper, possibly aluminum instead.

Buy the $5 cable when it goes on sale at monoprice and you've got the same thing as the $150 Monster cable.
Which cable are you talking about here?

[saveurmoney]

iF you are a true audio / video guru, then this won't apply to you folks.
However, for the most of you on this site...cheap patch cables may not make any difference to you.
When doing tests using an "digital/analog electronic instrument" to examine such claims, it is true that "what you pay for...is what you get". Granted that Monster Cables and only a few other reputable name brands are almost 'guaranteed' to make your audio / video better.
If it was really a scam, then why are there so many awards from leading music / entertainment industry? :lol:

[seftonm]

Somewhat related to this topic for anyone looking for HDMI cables:
I just noticed Blue Jeans Cable has some very cheap HDMI cables now. If someone just wants a cheap HDMI cable, I'd be inclined to recommend Blue Jeans over Monoprice. BJC typically sells some very good products and they know what they are talking about.

[Sweet Juicy Bacon]

Monster Cables and only a few other reputable name brands are almost 'guaranteed' to make your audio / video better

That's so freaking hilarious, using the word Monster and Reputable in the same sentence. Can I nominate this guy for the MFB award (Monster Fan Boy) for this thread. Incredible, accomplishing all that on your very first post. Anyone care to second this motion.

One side note, your user name "saveurmoney" and buying Monster cables is somewhat a contradiction of terms. Sort of like "the skinny glutton".

[M_Hunter]

That's so freaking hilarious, using the word Monster and Reputable in the same sentence. Can I nominate this guy for the MFB award (Monster Fan Boy) for this thread. Incredible, accomplishing all that on your very first post. Anyone care to second this motion.

One side note, your user name "saveurmoney" and buying Monster cables is somewhat a contradiction of terms. Sort of like "the skinny glutton".

Money_To_Burn or $pend_Lot$ would fit better for a Monster supporter.

[scamslammer]

Hi:

I'm visiting from Fat Wallet, the American version of Red Flags and found your site from this fat wallet post:

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/24/788882/

I was hoping to join the Future Shop Monster Cable Chicken thread and add my thoughts on that low life sales guy but I see it has been locked. Good thing I found this thread. Monster also has those bogus displays down south as well.

Glad that US and Canada folks both agree that Monster cables are a bad way to spend money. The antidote to Monster Cables down here is a good dose of Monoprice.

Anyway, there should be a law to protect people from sales people like that.

[cloneman]

Oh noes, apple has a HDMI cable for 20$!
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=TL951LL%2FA
Let's see futureshop call apple product quality crap when you bring it up.


Note: as usual, Canadian product lines are crippled, and apple.ca does not have this

[laptop-tech]

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=10

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=20

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=180

On a side note, the other thread about Monster cables (and that same guy has tons of posts on it...the guy with a vendetta against the company) was locked and now just like magic, someone registered on RFD to bump that old thread only to bash Monster cables.

hummmm...........

[Animus]

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=10

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=20

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=180


I wonder how many of these people bothered trying Monster in a blind test. These links are meaningless and useless. There are enough reasons to prove that Monster performs equally digitally to other cables, but no better. The same.

Testing with equipment and blind tests have proven this time and time again. If you want more objective or impartial results go look for better links. This is a bad troll job. Look at the ones I posted in the locked thread. Arguing that Monster offers digital performance differences is arguing against science. You can find a bunch of people giving testaments that the Earth is flat too. All it shows is that they are mistakenly deluded, not that they are right.

[Caillo]

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=10

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=20

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=180

On a side note, the other thread about Monster cables (and that same guy has tons of posts on it...the guy with a vendetta against the company) was locked and now just like magic, someone registered on RFD to bump that old thread only to bash Monster cables.

hummmm...........

Fighting another losing battle salesman.. For every 1 link you have speaking positively about Monster Cables the RFD community posted/found around 10 speaking negatively of them.. Not to mention the only links you found were from Monster itself. LOL

Go sell some more PSP's to customers buying DVD cases.

[masterballer]

Hi:

I'm visiting from Fat Wallet, the American version of Red Flags and found your site from this fat wallet post:

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/24/788882/

I was hoping to join the Future Shop Monster Cable Chicken thread and add my thoughts on that low life sales guy but I see it has been locked. Good thing I found this thread. Monster also has those bogus displays down south as well.

Glad that US and Canada folks both agree that Monster cables are a bad way to spend money. The antidote to Monster Cables down here is a good dose of Monoprice.

Anyway, there should be a law to protect people from sales people like that.

I found the funniest qoute on the thread you posted...

"So, what happens when I use Monster cable with Bose speakers? Do two of them cause the multiplied composite effect, creating a sort of fiscal black hole, in which money disappears never to be seen again?"

I actually lol'd

Edit: Was looking at the links from monster and came across this: "I have a BOSE system,after replaceing the BOSE wires with XP 20 wires it made the BOSE speakers come alive!!!"

[sockhead]

Why stop at Monster cables? You can get aftermarket POWER CABLES for upwards of $30,000. Those are good right? They'll definitely give you a "clean signal" and a "better picture". Christ.

[sockhead]

Or hey, let's just ignore the whole science of digital signal transduction, and buy $10,000 optical cables! I have nothing else to do with my money.

[scamslammer]

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=10

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=20

http://www.monstercable.com/speakup/reviewsBySite.asp?SiteID=180

On a side note, the other thread about Monster cables (and that same guy has tons of posts on it...the guy with a vendetta against the company) was locked and now just like magic, someone registered on RFD to bump that old thread only to bash Monster cables.

hummmm...........

MR salesman, I live in Texas. Vendetta or not, everthing that guy said about Monster is true. By some of the stuff you posted I think it is safe to say that at least 10 thousand people have vendettas against Best Buy and Monster in the US and Canada because of you.

I would like to ask you one thing. How come all the websites that you use that have good things to say about Monster are owned by Monster and all the ones that people use to say monster is bad are not run be Monster.

PS. I found this thread after doing a search with your user name and the keyword Monster. I wanted to see how people found out that you were a salesman hiding in this forum giving bad advice.

[laptop-tech]

MR salesman, I live in Texas. Vendetta or not, everthing that guy said about Monster is true. By some of the stuff you posted I think it is safe to say that at least 10 thousand people have vendettas against Best Buy and Monster in the US and Canada because of you.

I would like to ask you one thing. How come all the websites that you use that have good things to say about Monster are owned by Monster and all the ones that people use to say monster is bad are not run be Monster.

PS. I found this thread after doing a search with your user name and the keyword Monster. I wanted to see how people found out that you were a salesman hiding in this forum giving bad advice.


Dear

SweetJuicySlammer.

The internet is public and I have teh right to express my opinion.

And in case I did not make myself clear, yes - Monster cables are better than the dollar shop stuff you buy. As I already told you in the other thread (one of the 3-4 threads you opened just to bash MOnster and FS - which proves my point that you have a personal vendetta), Monster and FS will win. Period.

Today was a good example. Busy like crazy, I probably sold some 800 dollars worth of Monster equipment.

[Sweet Juicy Bacon]

Dear

SweetJuicySlammer.

The internet is public and I have teh right to express my opinion.

And in case I did not make myself clear, yes - Monster cables are better than the dollar shop stuff you buy. As I already told you in the other thread (one of the 3-4 threads you opened just to bash MOnster and FS - which proves my point that you have a personal vendetta), Monster and FS will win. Period.

Today was a good example. Busy like crazy, I probably sold some 800 dollars worth of Monster equipment.

Amazing, just when I didn't think that it was possible to further alienate people at RFD and raise the level of anti-Future Shop and Monster sentiment even higher, you succeeded. You sir have a gift.

Your new signature reflects how all of RFD feels about you.




I would have figured that

[laptop-tech]

Amazing, just when I didn't think that it was possible to further alienate people at RFD and raise the level of anti-Future Shop and Monster sentiment even higher, you succeeded. You sir have a gift.

Your new signature reflects how all of RFD feels about you.




I would have figured that

Who am I talking to now ? Sweetpork or Monsterslammer ?

Anyways, I'll edit my signature. It will show some Monster products and special discounts to RFD members.

[hagbard]

In before the lock. :lol:

[KorruptioN]

The internet is public and I have teh right to express my opinion.

You're posting under the jurisdiction of the RedFlagDeals forum network. There are rules to abide by, thus this is not a "public" place. You're trolling. You know it and so does everybody else.

IBTL

[Caillo]

Who am I talking to now ? Sweetpork or Monsterslammer ?

Anyways, I'll edit my signature. It will show some Monster products and special discounts to RFD members.

Please ban laptop-idiot. He's adding nothing to the community and is actually out to screw people (i.e. promoting PSP's and Monster products)