Newgroups

[jdmkidd]

Someone told me newsgroups are better than torrents, anyone know the site? it is like a whole hidden community. Can't find jack on it

[Firefoxer]

You will have to read this:
http://www.slyck.com/ng.php
Some Binary search engines that the guide don't have:
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29441

[jdmkidd]

What do you use?

[woof]

I use Agent which is a fairly popular newsreader. Even Outlook Express has a basic newsreader capability.

Newsgroups have not attracted the legal problems like torrents.

My local service provider has a news server but it's limited so I have a monthly subscription to a large US news server.

[atb1o1]

As someone that is first starting out with newsgroup, I suggest Newsleecher. It has a very easy to use interface for mainly binary files. The super search function makes searching for files super easy as well.

for a free alternative try Grabit. It is the best free newsgroup reader IMO.

As for nzb indexing sites for easy newsgroup usage :cheesygri i'm sure you can find them on google.

Oh prepare to pay for newsgroup access because most service providers don't provide newgroups access anymore. Those that does won't have the completion and retention as those paid ones.

[jdmkidd]

I think I might subscribe to Giganet, but all this is still very confusing. I have grabit and got the nzb file from ********* but it won't download hmm?

[atb1o1]

Have you subscribe to Giganet yet? you won't be able to download the files without access to a newsgroup provider.

[jdmkidd]

in Grabit there is a [use default server] I'm guessing that connects to nothing?

[atb1o1]

by default?... uhmm yeah probably, you have to change the server settings to whoever your newsgroup provider is, so if you don't have one, it connects to nothing.

[huthut]

Most, if not all, newsgroup providers also require authentication (login & password) to get on their server. It will be provided once you send them payment. Giganews (if that's who you mean), is a great if not expensive provider. You can go with usenetserver.com or newshosting.com for cheaper unlimited.

[aaaaaa]

No one really explicitly said it, but newsgroups are many many times better than torrents. a decent host will have content back for around 75 days worth of downloads (essentially anything that was uploaded in the last 75 days will be available for you to download). Content usually is the same as what you would find on torrents, so basically everything. The best part though is the speed. The good newgroup hosts will have no problem sending you content at 100mbit if your connection can go that fast.

All that said, you gotta pay if you want a decent newsgroup server. Some isps have free ones, but they all suck and a half from what I've seen. If you want a referral code btw let me know ;)

[mau108]

http://www.usenetserver.com

[B0000rt]

Powerusenet has a $10/month for the first 2 months promotion $15 after that.

They've been pretty good so far.

I've used:
Giganews (too expensive)
Newshosting (retention sucks at 45days)
and Powerusenet (good promotion, good retention, 105days)

[terrybear]

I don't know where the 1 person in this thread gets that newgroups are more " safer from legality " then torrents are .... but they oviously didn't read what I did a few days ago on 1 of the tech sites news sections reguarding the riaa starting to build up cases to go after newsgroups.

[TenzoR]

I don't know where the 1 person in this thread gets that newgroups are more " safer from legality " then torrents are .... but they oviously didn't read what I did a few days ago on 1 of the tech sites news sections reguarding the riaa starting to build up cases to go after newsgroups.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/16/1918204&from=rss

too late

[woof]

I don't know where the 1 person in this thread gets that newgroups are more " safer from legality " then torrents are .... but they oviously didn't read what I did a few days ago on 1 of the tech sites news sections reguarding the riaa starting to build up cases to go after newsgroups.

But you've just proven my point. They've been going after torrent sites and users for years, winning one court case after another. They are only now starting to go after the newsgroups and have yet to prove anything in any court and if they do that could be a long ways off. The torrent battle has been lost, but newsgroups present a different series of legal issues which could go either way. Nothing is absolutely safe but at the present time newsgroups are far safer than torrents..

PS Don't presume to know what I've read because I did in fact read that article about them going after newsgroups and had a good laugh over it.

[B0000rt]

What does usenet.com have to do with newsgroups as a whole?

So are they going after users of e-mail next? Because we can use e-mail to spread pirated software too?

The lawsuit makes absolutely no sense.

[aaaaaa]

yeah, they are supposedly going after one host, usenet.com?

I am not entirely sure why there is the discussion of which is "safer", as we are in canada and will never have to worry about the riaa? Who knows, maybe the cria one day, but so far it's limited to the americans

[woof]

What does usenet.com have to do with newsgroups as a whole?


Usenet.com is simply a commercial company operating independent news servers that you pay to access. Their competitors include Giganews, Easynews, NewsDemon, Tera News and dozens more.

Your local service provider probably has an in house free news server for you but it's probably pretty crappy with poor retention, porno and maybe some warez groups blocked and the like. The only alternative is to sign up with one of the above mentioned commercial news server providers. The in house news server is a good way to start out though until you get some experience, learn to use the software, and have a better idea of what to look for from the commercial companies (expect to pay about $10/month).

[woof]

I am not entirely sure why there is the discussion of which is "safer", as we are in canada and will never have to worry about the riaa? Who knows, maybe the cria one day, but so far it's limited to the americans

There is enormous pressure on the Canadian government from the movie and music industry (mostly US) to pass the same kinds of laws that they have in the US (and I believe Europe) so that they can begin going after Canadians in the same way they have Americans. The fact that we've had a series of unstable minority governments has probably prevented legislation going forward much to the frustration of the Americans. It's probably going to happen sooner or later though because as I say there is enormous pressure from the US on this and if the current Harper government stays in power long enough they will have no excuse for not passing something.

[aaaaaa]

Yeah, that's old news... They're going to call us names and put us on their list of mean countries... oooo... scary!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070214.wblacklist14/BNStory/National/home

There may be pressure, but as the article points out:
"The disturbing thing is that the Canadian government doesn't seem to take this very seriously.”

He pointed out that the Harper government hasn't even drafted new copyright legislation.

It appears we got a good amount of time still until the nazi copyright laws from the states make their way here.

[Avatar]

I think newsgroup started from BBS which was free in the dial-up age. So it's been here for a long long time. Ppl used to chat and share pictures etc.. Some tried to share other stuffs and NG started to charge for usage.

You can actually create and name a group yourself to share it with others. However, these days NG consists of almost anything you can think of. So it's kind of hard to crack it down as almost all the NGs have privacy protection that they won't record any activities. That's the difference between BT and NG.

[jdmkidd]

I'll take that referral code!

Yeah, that's old news... They're going to call us names and put us on their list of mean countries... oooo... scary!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070214.wblacklist14/BNStory/National/home

There may be pressure, but as the article points out:


It appears we got a good amount of time still until the nazi copyright laws from the states make their way here.

[SuckaB]

since we're on the topic of newsgroups...would anyone like to share connections?

[sterdeus]

I think newsgroup started from BBS which was free in the dial-up age. So it's been here for a long long time. Ppl used to chat and share pictures etc.. Some tried to share other stuffs and NG started to charge for usage.


Actually, they did not stem from BBSs. They've been around for 28 years, long before the www existed.

[B0000rt]

Usenet.com is simply a commercial company operating independent news servers that you pay to access. Their competitors include Giganews, Easynews, NewsDemon, Tera News and dozens more.

Your local service provider probably has an in house free news server for you but it's probably pretty crappy with poor retention, porno and maybe some warez groups blocked and the like. The only alternative is to sign up with one of the above mentioned commercial news server providers. The in house news server is a good way to start out though until you get some experience, learn to use the software, and have a better idea of what to look for from the commercial companies (expect to pay about $10/month).

Informative post, but you did not answer my question. What does usetnet.com have to do with newsgroups as a whole?

Simple answer, nothing.

Say for instance if e-mail was used for piracy. Targeting Yahoo! Mail will not and can not do anything to stop piracy using e-mail.

[jdmkidd]

Okay I'm hooked I don't think torrents will be in my downloading life anymore.

[SuckaB]

Okay I'm hooked I don't think torrents will be in my downloading life anymore.

what did u subscribe to?

[jdmkidd]

newshosting.com, felt good downloading at website speeds. Newsgroups + 1 worth every penny.

[B0000rt]

newshosting.com, felt good downloading at website speeds. Newsgroups + 1 worth every penny.

I remember when I first got newsgroups my friends were like "omg you're paying for piracy?"

I laugh because a couple weeks later they ask to borrow my account for a couple of hours.

[bigred-9]

since we're on the topic of newsgroups...would anyone like to share connections?


Do you mean like share a newsgroup account? Once you get connected with a service, like usenetserver.com, thats what I use, you wont want to share the username password cause you will want to d/l 24x7.

If you are asking about connection speeds and number of connections available the speed is as fast as your internet connection is.

[jdmkidd]

Whats your max download speed and what ISP you on?
I remember when I first got newsgroups my friends were like "omg you're paying for piracy?"

I laugh because a couple weeks later they ask to borrow my account for a couple of hours.

[atb1o1]

newshosting.com, felt good downloading at website speeds. Newsgroups + 1 worth every penny.

Welcome to the newsgroup family :cheesygri Now you are going to need a bigger hard drive.

[jdmkidd]

^ ya it's a such a secret family where has it been all this time. :razz:

[B0000rt]

Whats your max download speed and what ISP you on?

Was on Rogers Extreme and was easily maxing that out.

Now I'm in the states on Comcast... And it maxes that out too..

[woof]

Informative post, but you did not answer my question. What does usetnet.com have to do with newsgroups as a whole?

Simple answer, nothing.

Say for instance if e-mail was used for piracy. Targeting Yahoo! Mail will not and can not do anything to stop piracy using e-mail.

My mistake for assuming that the answer to your question was obvious. The goal is to target one company and go after them to set a legal precedent. Once you have that one legal victory in the court system then you can easily go after all the other newsgroup companies (and ISPs with newsgroup servers) to bring them into line or shut them down. If you lose in the courts then you go running back to the politicians that you own and get them to pass new laws fixing the problem and then back to the courts. That first court battle will largely determine the outcome of the war and what happens to the newsgroup system.

[Avatar]

Problem with Usenet.com is their advertisement.

Quote :
the RIAA targeted Usenet.com because they advertise accounts by stating their service "gives you access to millions of MP3 files and also enables you to post your own files the same way and share them with the whole world."

Oh. For ppl wanna share the NG. Not sure if it works on my Newshosting account or not. PM me.