Anyone Here Able to Help with Wiring Up Network Cables between Rooms?

[Babypimpin]

Hey all,

I've got a shared wall that separates the dining area and the home office.

For some reason this wall causes major interference for my wireless signal when the wireless router is in the office.

So what I did was I added ethernet outlets on both sides of this shared wall so I can plug the ethernet cable that is currently connecting the modem and the wireless router into the wall, and then plug the wireless router into the wall on dining area side. (move the wireless router into the kitchen)(does that make sense?)

Anywyas, the question I have is with regards to the connecting ethernet cable that sits inside the walls that connect to the two wall outlets.

Anyone here know how to go about connecting these cables to the backside of the wall plates? which colours go where and what not?

for someone who knows how to do this it should literally take minutes...

but for me, i've spent an hour reading up on the net and Im still confused to ****...all this crap about doing a cross-over or something..no idea

Anyways, some help would be awesome.

Thanks

[lapopal]

What outlets did you buy? all keystone cat5 jacks are color coded

http://www.lanshack.com/images/568-B.gif

http://www.vpi.us/images/368a-bsm.gif

Your jack should be color coded, use the B standard. depending on your jack you either need a punchdown tool to make the proper connection or compression type jack where you squeeze the top plate which punches down your wires.

[Babypimpin]

yeah they are cat5e wall outlets..

theopicture of teh white jack (first picture) is that the one thats in the wall connected to the plate?

[Babypimpin]

the back part of the wall jack actually has pictures with the colours of the wires...
those should match up exactly right?

thers no need for any type iof crossover is there?

[willy]

But why not just run a cable thru the wall ?

[Babypimpin]

i could...but it doesnt look as pretty...
:-0

im anal...i need things to look pretty...

[Babypimpin]

I followed the pictures above

so i simply took the corresponding wires...and punched them in with that tool into the corresponding colours on the connector itself...

I did that..on both wall plates I just punched in the wires according to the colours in the wall jack...

but for some reason the signal is super duper weak...i punched in the wires all the way so they should be snug...but yeah...things seem to be loading but extremely slowly...

when i open internet explorer, my homepage (google) loads, but then everythign else after that times out...

no idea why...

[DirtyLude]

Is it that solid core wire, or the nice braided stuff? I used the solid core stuff between rooms and I managed to kink it and it's not working very well either. Next time it will be braided.

I'm thinking of getting a couple of those power outlet ethernet connections.

[jnette]

Is it that solid core wire, or the nice braided stuff? I used the solid core stuff between rooms and I managed to kink it and it's not working very well either. Next time it will be braided.

I'm thinking of getting a couple of those power outlet ethernet connections.

Uhm braided cable not recommended. The reason why is that each jacks have blades on them that cuts through the jacket of the cable to make the proper connection on solid core cable. If you use the braided stuff the cables could come loose.

for jacks i would recommend buying NORDX/Belden IBDN. No termination tool required just your tumbs or plyers and side cutters. NORDX is a little expensive though. Most jacks use 110 punch tools you could buy a cat5 stripper for about 7 dollars and they have 110 punch at the end and just use side cutters to cut the cables.

Oh and Canada is TIA-A in the US they use B. But as long as your patch cables are straight through and your jacks are terminated the same then you should be fine.

[Babypimpin]

Oh and Canada is TIA-A in the US they use B. But as long as your patch cables are straight through and your jacks are terminated the same then you should be fine.


no idea what that means..lol..im gonna take some pcitures tomorrow when I have some tiem so I can show you guys how I did it..cuz its pissing me off

[Justin C]

I followed the pictures above

so i simply took the corresponding wires...and punched them in with that tool into the corresponding colours on the connector itself...

I did that..on both wall plates I just punched in the wires according to the colours in the wall jack...

but for some reason the signal is super duper weak...i punched in the wires all the way so they should be snug...but yeah...things seem to be loading but extremely slowly...

when i open internet explorer, my homepage (google) loads, but then everythign else after that times out...

no idea why...

You can try pinging the router from a computer in the office to see if you are losing packets "in the wall". Unplug the modem from the router, plug a computer into the wall (office side) plug the router's LAN port (not WAN/internet) into the wall (dining room side), then:

ping -n 1000 192.168.1.1

Replace the IP with the correct IP for your router and run that from a command prompt.

[Babypimpin]

You can try pinging the router from a computer in the office to see if you are losing packets "in the wall". Unplug the modem from the router, plug a computer into the wall (office side) plug the router's LAN port (not WAN/internet) into the wall (dining room side), then:

ping -n 1000 192.168.1.1

Replace the IP with the correct IP for your router and run that from a command prompt.


I'll try to follow these instructions and do this..

so do I type "ping -n 'router ip number" at command prompt?
also how do I go about checking the IP address of my router?

Also, would i have to do something different seeing my wireless router is actually connected to a wired router which is then connected to my modem?

Also, what do you mean by losing packets?

I have one of those wall heaters that sit at the base of the wall in the dining room side of the wall....could the wiring for the heater inside the wall be causing interference? they are a good 8"-10" away from each other...

Thanks

[jnette]

no idea what that means..lol..im gonna take some pcitures tomorrow when I have some tiem so I can show you guys how I did it..cuz its pissing me off


Hi, sorry i wasn't clear. The picture above shows 2 standards for puting on an RJ45 end. TIA 568A is what we use in Canada(majority) and TIA 568B is used mainly in the USA.

What i meant by straight through is as long as both ends of your jacks or RJ45 ends are terminated the same(both ends TIA 568A) then you should be fine.

Follow the color coding on the jacks that you have... becareful though because alot of jacks show color coding for both TIA 568A and 568B.

FYI: crossover cable is made by TIA 568A on one end and TIA 568B on the other end.

[Babypimpin]

Hey Jnette;

thanks for all the tips...

I went with the 568B way of wiring it cuz the way lapopal said to do it..

So should I switch both outlets to 568A?

or should I do one side A and the other side B?

Here are some pictures I took of how I did the wiring in the office side...i did the exact same thing for the dining room side.

I appreciate everyones help =0)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b275/SymsWRX/NetworkCable002.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b275/SymsWRX/NetworkCable001.jpg

[jnette]

K looks good. You should trim each strands of cable as close as you can on the jack just so that they don't short out.

If you used TIA 568B then have the cables terminated at both ends with TIA 568B. So then its called Straight Through Cable. Your patch cords should be the same, don't get crossover.

I see that you went with the Leviton Jacks. Don't forget to put the cap/cover back coz when I use leviton I forget sometimes.

[Babypimpin]

K looks good. You should trim each strands of cable as close as you can on the jack just so that they don't short out.

If you used TIA 568B then have the cables terminated at both ends with TIA 568B. So then its called Straight Through Cable. Your patch cords should be the same, don't get crossover.

I see that you went with the Leviton Jacks. Don't forget to put the cap/cover back coz when I use leviton I forget sometimes.


Yeah I didnt trim them yet cuz i may be redoing them...

but yeah..this is how I have it and the signal isnt going through..its the same on both side...both sides of the wall jacks are using the B version..

Do you think its because I dont have the caps on them yet? will that make a difference? I didnt put that on yet either just in case I had to redo it;...

[Babypimpin]

The signal says Excellent and Speed is maxed at 54mbps...
but still nothing...cant connect at all anymore

could it be something wrong with the port forawrding or something? or anything liek that?

maybe try what Justin C recommended I try?

however his instructions confuse me a bit...

[jnette]

Its not the caps. They're just covers and keep the cables onto the jacks.

Try an ipconfig on dos. You shouldn't get zeros.
Connection
IpAddress
Subnet Mask
Default Gateway

Try different port on the router, try different patch cord.

I hope this helps

[Babypimpin]

should I be doing this IPconfig on the laptop that needs to connect to the wireless?

cuz if I use my desktop thats in my office (wired internet access) its obviously goingt o wrok right?

or should I plug the ethernet cable that goes into the wireless router into my laptop and do the test there...?

[CompWizrd]

Um, aside from violating multiple ethernet specs... if i'm reading this right you're just connecting one side of the wall to the other?

Anyways, how long is the cable between these two jacks? Believe it has to be a foot minimum.

[Babypimpin]

Um, aside from violating multiple ethernet specs... if i'm reading this right you're just connecting one side of the wall to the other?

Anyways, how long is the cable between these two jacks? Believe it has to be a foot minimum.


What do you mean when im violating multiple ethernet specs?
This is why im in here...I'm looking for some help..

but yeah...the cable thats inside the wall is well over 1 ft...its probably closer to like 4-5 ft of cable..

and yeah..I guessyou can say i'm just connecting one side of the wall to the other...instead of simply putting a hole in the wall and pushing a cable directly through, im putting outlets in the wall so it looks nicer...

any additional tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Nick

[tubs]

The signal says Excellent and Speed is maxed at 54mbps...
but still nothing...cant connect at all anymore

could it be something wrong with the port forawrding or something? or anything liek that?

maybe try what Justin C recommended I try?

however his instructions confuse me a bit...

The signal being strong just basically means that your WIRELESS CONNECTION to your wireless router is good. I'm assuming that you're using a laptop.

However, it seems the wired connection from your wireless router to the modem is the problem. You did mention that you have a wired router between the wireless one and the modem. There could be a problem there because it's usually:

WIRELESS ROUTER <--------> MODEM

You have two sections to troubleshoot:

1.) Wiring of the wall jacks
2.) wireless router to wired router to modem connection

I'd take out that router to router connection out of the equation and focus on the patch cabling instead. If it's done right, it'll be nothing more than something that joins two network cables as one.

I would do this:

1.) Set it up like how you did before when you were able to access the Internet.

2.) Now, focus on the network cable between the modem and the router that the modem is directly connected to. Take that cable and disconnect it from the modem and plug it into the wall jack.

Grab another network cable and plug the modem into the other side of the wall jack.

In a sense, the modem and the router are still directly connected to each other, except this time, there's an "extension or a bridging cable" in the middle. If your internet access does not work after doing this, then you know you need to re-work the jack connections.

Don't re-use the same spot on the cable wire when re-attaching them to the wall jacks. You may have to trim it off and start over.

Hope that helps.

[Babypimpin]

I just wanted say thank you for everyone's help here...
Its awesome that there is a community here where everyone is willing to provide guidance and help...

On a second note, I have figured out my problem...

just so you guys have some closure on what I ended up doing..

i felt adventurous and decided to change the wiring around. On the wall plate for the office side, i decided to do the crossover style of wiring (the "b" version)...

that didnt do much...

and then a buddy told me that the ethernet cable going to the wireless router has to be plugged into one of the numbered (1-4) outlets..and NOT the WLAN/Internet outlet...(hell I had no idea i had to do that LOL...cuz it worked in the Internet outlet before!!)

Anyways...after I did that...everything seemed to work..

now what I dont know is whether it is not working because I did the crossover AND plugging it into the correct plug...or just because I plugged it into the right plug...

I guess I'll never know...cuz im too lazy to test it lol..


and to think...i was soooo close to paying somoene to come over and fix this issue..
it would have easily cost $50-$60 per hour (would have probably had to pay minimum 1 hour) for somneone to come in and do a 5 second job....seeing the first thing he probably would have done was switch the cable lol

[silva95teg]

It is working because you had it plugged into the wrong plug. You are lucky about the wiring being like a crossover cable, although it doesnt matter much these days as almost everything is auto sensing.