What 4 cyl. Japanese car should I buy?

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

I'm looking at some JDM 4cylinder turbo AWD big spoiler action. Should I get the Evo I or the WRX?

Evo:

Good:
Rare
Evo! Chicks love the 4G63!
Little more power than the WRX

Bad:
Rare
Unreliable, since the owners drive like *******s.
Lancers of that generation were not sold in North America, so parts could be hard to get
Expensive

WRX:

Good:
Cheaper
More reliable
Parts easier to get
More made, so easier to find
Chicks love the Intercooler water spray! (At least, I'm pretty sure the WRX had those)

Bad:
More made, so looks like every other WRX on the street.
Little less power in stock form.
Subaru = Lesbian


So, which one will it be?

[mudmojo]

Which two cars are you looking at exactly?
92 EvoI
93 JDM WRX or 02+ CDM WRX


I love lesbians!


NADM WRX = no IC spray from factory

[Pete_Coach]

Geez you have it down to a couple of cars that Chicks love, what more advice can you need?:lol:
Boy, all the Chicks that love the 4G63! so I would probably get that:!:
I mean, what is more important than that :confused:
Technically speaking, I think that Chicks like red best :cheesygri

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

NADM WRX = no IC spray from factory

Just gave the shop a call, sounds like only STi has IC spray. >:( .

Leaning towards evo now for sheer chick appeal....:lol:

[ES_Revenge]

Is this thread a joke of some sort? LOL.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

No, I'm serious. My mechanic has both, (well, the WRX has a cage and the Evo is waiting for a new engine) I'm going to give both a spin in a bit here before either taking one of his, or importing one before the 15 year rule changes.

Not really much interest in this thread eh? I guess RFD motor vehicles is really just dominated by V8 muscleheads and W-body afficiandos.

[ES_Revenge]

or importing one before the 15 year rule changes.

Changes??? What do you mean changes? Does that mean I can't get a GTO in like 2021? :(

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Eh? Scrape together $10k and you can get a GTO right now, I don't know why you or anyone WOULD, but there you go.

As for the 15 yr rule,

http://www.ivoac.ca/pn/

I'm guessing it's going to be extended to 25 years fairly soon - something like 50k Japanese were vehicles imported last year, together with the US competition, the west coast dealers are really turning up the heat on the politicians.

[ES_Revenge]

Eh? Scrape together $10k and you can get a GTO right now, I don't know why you or anyone WOULD, but there you go.
Nah, the last gen GTO was on the inadmissable list... Have to wait 15 years, or maybe 25 >:( Also I don't think you could get a LS2-equipped GTO in good condition for as little as $10k... They aren't all that expensive, no, but $10k?

Edit: A search on AutoTrader.com for GTOs within 500miles of Niagara Falls NY shows that the cheapest 2005 GTO is around $26k. Most are more around $30k; and most 2006s are in the low $30k range as well. There are some 2004s (with LS1 motors) as low as $18k but most are more in the $23k-25k range. So much for a $10k GTO...

If GM releases a new GTO on Zeta then it'll most likely be Canada-friendly though. They already have the Camaro and G8 coming, but it seems there might be either a Firebird/TA or GTO released as well...

As for the 15 yr rule,

http://www.ivoac.ca/pn/

I'm guessing it's going to be extended to 25 years fairly soon - something like 50k Japanese were vehicles imported last year, together with the US competition, the west coast dealers are really turning up the heat on the politicians.
That's ******** they want to change it to 25 years. I mean are 15 year old cars really that much in demand that it takes away from the domestic vehicle market? I know brand new cars from the US are desireable for the savings but 15 year old cars?

Are there cars from Japan that can be imported before 15 years? Or are all those 50,000 JDM cars 15 years+ old?

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the Mitsubishi GTO. Seeing as how we're talking about Japanese cars and all. What does that matter anyway? The G8 will come to Canada, the GM plant in Oshawa is gearing up to build all manner of RWD V8 awesomeness assuming GM hasn't gone kaput by then.

Or are all those 50,000 JDM cars 15 years+ old?


Yes. You wouldn't notice them very much because the vast majority of them are not Skylines but turbodiesel Land Cruisers and Pajeros - There are a lot of people with uses for a torquey, fuel efficient turbo diesel I6 truck that no one in North America wants to sell. Most of the people on that site whining are SUV drivers out in the west coast boonies.

EDIT: Now that I am no longer on crack, I think the actual figure is something like 76k Japanese imports in the last 4 or 5 years.

[VivienM]

Not really much interest in this thread eh? I guess RFD motor vehicles is really just dominated by V8 muscleheads and W-body afficiandos.

:cheesygri

[KorruptioN]

Leaning towards evo now for sheer chick appeal....:lol:

Says a lot about the owner if you're not being sarcastic...

[Pete_Coach]

Says a lot about the owner if you're not being sarcastic...

Sarcastic?
This a valid technical requirement, it is everything to some folks, don't ya know nuthin??:)

[ES_Revenge]

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the Mitsubishi GTO. Seeing as how we're talking about Japanese cars and all.
Ohh right that GTO... Yeah that's just a 3000GT/Stealth. That was a cool car too :) Well the VR-4 or R/T Turbo anyway... Anyway enough OT from me...

[KorruptioN]

Sarcastic?
This a valid technical requirement, it is everything to some folks, don't ya know nuthin??:)

Then he could buy a base Lancer (not Evolution) or Impreza (not WRX STi) and tack on the wing as an accessory :D

[cereal83]

I am sure chicks know exactly what a 4G63 is and what inter cooler water spray is. :confused:

Sounds like u should buy a corolla as most chicks buy those so they obviously love them.

[new_vr]

I am sure chicks know exactly what a 4G63 is and what inter cooler water spray is. :confused:

Sounds like u should buy a corolla as most chicks buy those so they obviously love them.

Most chicks I have met really don'y care about the car. They want one that looks nice, and if they know it's expensive, that probably doesn't hurt, but to try and impress them with a car? There are a lot of ways to impress girls that will give you a much higher return on investment

[kleptodathief]

dood, get the evo x when its out...u'll get mad JDM TYTE p$$y y0!!! :cheesygri

[FD3S]

I am sure chicks know exactly what a 4G63 is and what inter cooler water spray is. :confused:

Sounds like u should buy a corolla as most chicks buy those so they obviously love them.

Lol...I agree...and also I don't believe its water spray...its cry02 no?

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

I realize I never actually answered mudmojo. It's either the 92-93 Evo1 or the 93 JDM WRX.

Evo
http://carview-img5.bmcdn.jp/ucmimages/704970_2.jpg


WRX
http://carview-img5.bmcdn.jp/ucmimages/760883_2.jpg

[feet_]

you know whats gonna be funny if you get a jdm car?
since its RHD , and you re sitting on the right side.

and your girl will be on the left side.

everything that sees you, will think. wow that chicks got a nice car.
since it will look like shes driving.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Well, I don't think 15 yr old cars are so nice that people will notice. I'm buying the car for the fun-to-drive factor, just kidding about the chick appeal part.

But yeah, never thought about it that way before. :lol:

[Polaren]

I'd probably take the Evo in between the two cars. It has more "appeal" aesthetics wise.
When it comes to power/reliability I would take the subaru over the mitsu anyday.
As for the water I/C spray, easy to buy/install. $200 in parts done on mine. Sti Spoiler, $200, easy, installed.
As for performance, S202 cams and a couple other simple mods 300HP. As much as the WRX is more common..in the years 2003 and before in the USDM market there was only limited availability of them. So I wouldn't say everyone has one.
Heck a 93 JDM WRX..next to nobody truly has one.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

The WRX would be the previous generation, so no one here would actually have one. If I understand correctly, the older JDM WRX was pretty close to STi Spec, because back then STi was just a normal WRX with a better LSD (and IC spray!). Power was fairly close (240hp vs 250hp for the STi) because they used the same engine, as oppose to the US spec WRX that had a US spec engine with less power.

Anyway, the shop I use has an Evo I that's going to have a new engine put in, (should be good for a while without blowing up). If he puts in a newer Evo3 engine and does a little more tweaking to up the torque while at it, I would be interested.....

[Polaren]

Honestly the difference between a WRX and STI USDM..is not a whole lot. To match the power out of a WRX and to match suspension it doesn't take much money to do.
2.0L, 2.5L makes next to no difference as well.
WRX is still 240hp in MY02-MY06, with minor mods 300HP no problem. As they have that exact 2.0L in the S202 STi larger turbo different cams making 316hp. Anyways just babbling on lol :)

The Evo would be nice if they dropped in a a Evo3 engine for ya! That front bumper is hideous..looks like one of the aggressive kits.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

That front bumper is hideous..looks like one of the aggressive kits.

Yeah, I just pulled that pic off the net. The one I'd be looking at is stock on the outside.

[maniacshopper]

I'm looking at some JDM 4cylinder turbo AWD big spoiler action. Should I get the Evo I or the WRX?

Evo:

Good:
Rare
Evo! Chicks love the 4G63!
Little more power than the WRX

Bad:
Rare
Unreliable, since the owners drive like *******s.
Lancers of that generation were not sold in North America, so parts could be hard to get
Expensive

WRX:

Good:
Cheaper
More reliable
Parts easier to get
More made, so easier to find
Chicks love the Intercooler water spray! (At least, I'm pretty sure the WRX had those)

Bad:
More made, so looks like every other WRX on the street.
Little less power in stock form.
Subaru = Lesbian


So, which one will it be?


The only wrx that had the spray back then was STI. But if you can find it go for the more rarer 22B STI. Revs to 10k rpm. The closest thing that you can get to a real raly car.

[maniacshopper]

none of the girls that I've gone out with really know about cars. There's one, but unavailable.

As the previous poster said, as long as its nice, smells good, sounds good (no loud), rides nice(not firm), looks expensive. You'll do fine. Not just with the fast women, but the normal ones as well :lol:

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Yeah, I sort of gathered that later on but didn't edit my post. In any case, since I'm looking at JDM and I'm not going to wait until 2009, it will have to be 1993 or prior, so no STis.

sounds good (no loud), rides nice(not firm), looks expensive.

Yes, but obviously, both my choices are real winners in those departments, so how can I decide? :lol:

Of course, it will be a 5 speed with a ridiculously heavy clutch too, which, on a heavily turbo charged car, is perfect for the lady driver. I just need some 6 point harnesses and a full cage in there and she'll never get out of the car.

[ES_Revenge]

Wow what sucks about these cars is that they are ugly as sin, lol.

[MkmBandit]

I am sure chicks know exactly what a 4G63 is and what inter cooler water spray is. :confused:

Sounds like u should buy a corolla as most chicks buy those so they obviously love them.

++

Anyone who truly believes women like 4G63 cars, is sadly mistaken and deserves no more then a Corolla. I dont think I've ever had a woman sit in my car and not tell me within the first 5 minutes that my car is too loud, and that it rev's too high. Goodluck keeping a woman from complaining when you're driving on the highway with her

[vickyvictoria]

forget those

RSXXXXXX :D

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

You......don't like 4G63? :confused:

[Polaren]

4G63's under boost like to go boom...
I've seen my fair share of them blow up at the track...quite funny a couple of them.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

I don't doubt you, and I'm not really an expert on these things, but are you talking about the 4G63s in DSMs? I'm not sure if they are the same thing. e.g. Evos do not have issues with crankwalk because the crankwalk issue was due to incorrectly machined cranks in the Illinois DSM factory, while the Evos engines are 100% MIJ.

[Polaren]

Nope talking about JDM 4G63, as some of the guys I used to go with had 4G63 swaps.

[MkmBandit]

You......don't like 4G63? :confused:

4G63's under boost like to go boom...
I've seen my fair share of them blow up at the track...quite funny a couple of them.

I don't doubt you, and I'm not really an expert on these things, but are you talking about the 4G63s in DSMs? I'm not sure if they are the same thing. e.g. Evos do not have issues with crankwalk because the crankwalk issue was due to incorrectly machined cranks in the Illinois DSM factory, while the Evos engines are 100% MIJ.

Yeah its known to be a flawed design, but crankwalk can be easily avoided with the right care. I live by the 4G63's, I've had two in the past and now I'm driving a 4G64(Spyder GS, bigger bore, longer stroke). Its women who have problems with them. They just rev too damn high. But hey, if you're looking for fun factor, the 4G63 is among the top 3 engines to ever come from Asia.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Aside from the crankwalk defect, how is the reliability? Not talking about boosting it to 1000hp, just regular driving with maybe light modifications?

[MkmBandit]

Aside from the crankwalk defect, how is the reliability? Not talking about boosting it to 1000hp, just regular driving with maybe light modifications?

Reliability is so-so. Although you should never have a problem with the motor, everything thats attached to the motor can go bust at anytime. I've busted shifter cables(not good being stuck in 2nd gear at the other end of the city), fanbelts, coolant lines, clutch forks, the list goes on and on. Because of those issues, the 4G63/64 are at the bottom of my reliability list. Great engines, but they like to throw hissy fits. You seem to have a pretty good grasp with cars, so you shouldn't have much of a problem. Theres a reason I bought my car in 2001 and kept it this long.. 4G64's are not beginner cars.

[Polaren]

As MkmBandit said, when they run they run great.
When they have problems..they are not fun at all as the engines are quite finicky.
My comments before were from people I know modding them lightly and taking them to the track, some days they were fine other days they were just nightmares.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

This is terrible. I know that Evo is going to do terrible things to me and leave me broke and suicidal on the side of the road, but I just....can't stop thinking about it.

This must be how it feels to be one of those hot chicks that go for the complete deadbeat boyfriends?