Seatbelt Question

[Arkaine]

Me and a buddy were in a friends car today and as we were getting ready to leave the driver said to our friend that he's not starting this car until he puts his seatbelt on. To make a long story short, the drivers reason (besides safety) was that there is some new "No Tolerance" traffic law that states if anyone in the vehicle doesn't have their seatbelt on then the driver gets the fine/dermit points. Something about safe operation of a vehicle and being personally responsible for these people.
We are all 23+ and all of us have our G licenses. I said that since we're over 16 it doesn't matter.
Just curious for my own interests if this is actually the case?

I can't always see what the people behind me are doing and if I got a ticket because someone took their belt off, I'd be pissed!

Thoughts?

[Bytown]

Yes its very true.It applies to almost everything.As the driver what ever happens you will pay the price.

[Arkaine]

Yes its very true.It applies to almost everything.As the driver what ever happens you will pay the price.

Do you have a link?
Because here http://www.torontotraffictickets.com/seatbelt.html it says "The driver is responsible to ensure all passengers under 16 years of age are properly restrained. If a child is under 23kg (50lbs) he/she must occupy a seat fitted with a seat belt when available."

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

Yes its very true.It applies to almost everything.As the driver what ever happens you will pay the price.

No you're wrong, like Arkaine pointed out the driver is only resposible for those under 16 those over 16 are on their own.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/seatbelt.htm

Motor vehicle drivers who fail to ensure that children in their vehicle are properly secured in a seat belt or child car seat could be charged and face a fine of $90.00 and two demerit points (plus a $20.00 victim surcharge), and risk injury to the child.

Passengers who are 16 years of age and older are responsible for buckling themselves up. If stopped by a police officer, passengers aged 16 and older must provide their name, address and date of birth to the officer. They can face a fine of $90 for not using or wearing their seat belt properly.

[IoannI]

16+ passenger gets the ticket. -16 the drive is responsible for the passenger. In the state of Massechuchets (of however its spelled) you don't need to wear your seatbelt, a cop cannot pull you over to give you a ticket for not wearing a belt however, if they pull you over for like speeding then they can give you a ticket for not wearing the belt.
Anyways the driver of the vehicle is actually right not to start the car without every one being belted up. My mom won't let me even move the car 1 inch unless my 2 sisters, her and I are belted up and I own the car and drive it (she doesn't drive). Its just safety and common sense.

[Arkaine]

16+ passenger gets the ticket. -16 the drive is responsible for the passenger. In the state of Massechuchets (of however its spelled) you don't need to wear your seatbelt, a cop cannot pull you over to give you a ticket for not wearing a belt however, if they pull you over for like speeding then they can give you a ticket for not wearing the belt.
Anyways the driver of the vehicle is actually right not to start the car without every one being belted up. My mom won't let me even move the car 1 inch unless my 2 sisters, her and I are belted up and I own the car and drive it (she doesn't drive). Its just safety and common sense.

If anyone cares, I stopped 2 cops this week and asked my cop friend this question and they all said what IoannI said above. 16+ their own fault, 16- drivers fault.

[J_u_n_i_o_r_3]

IF you were to fight a seat belt ticket can you go to any court house? to fille the appeal

[Arkaine]

IF you were to fight a seat belt ticket can you go to any court house? to fille the appeal

I believe it has to be in the jurisdiction on where you were caught/charged.

[J_u_n_i_o_r_3]

do you think if I go and talk to the crown about the ticket they will drop it ?lol
its just a seat belt ticket
not like cop will show up for dah

[Arkaine]

do you think if I go and talk to the crown about the ticket they will drop it ?lol
its just a seat belt ticket
not like cop will show up for dah

Oh I have no idea man.
If you have a clean history, can partially explain why you weren't wearing it (not sure what can be said there) and you can show some sign of remorse they may drop it. I have no clue to be honest.

[Sprite_TM]

just tell them its more comfortable to wear one. seems like ur friends dont drive a lot because if they do, they'll actually feel more comfortable wearing one than without one

[corrupt123]

The driver is responsible for anyone under 16, as mentioned, and is also responsible for having enough seatbelts for the passengers

That means even though all the passengers are 16+, you still have to have enough seatbelts for them. 4 seatbelts and 5 passengers = illegal, regardless of age.

[Arkaine]

just tell them its more comfortable to wear one. seems like ur friends dont drive a lot because if they do, they'll actually feel more comfortable wearing one than without one

I agree completely.

Even if they say it feels too restrictive, I mention that plastic tubes coming from your body would be a little more restrictive!

[alamshahid]

Anyone who argues they don't need to wear a seatbelt has either no common sense or has never taken a physics class.

What do you think happens to a human body if its travelling in a vehicle at 100km/hr and comes to a sudden slamming stop. Obviously the human body keeps moving at the original rate of speed. Good luck trying to find something to hang onto when you're flying out the windshield.

:)

[chilicat]

Yep. It's all in section 106 of the HTA.
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm#s106s1

[ES_Revenge]

No you're wrong, like Arkaine pointed out the driver is only resposible for those under 16 those over 16 are on their own.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/seatbelt.htm

True, in ON province. However if the OP is in another province it could be different (ÒP`s location not listed--why do people ask legal questions without having their location listed or without stating the applicable jurisdiction?)

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

True, in ON province. However if the OP is in another province it could be different (ÒP`s location not listed--why do people ask legal questions without having their location listed or without stating the applicable jurisdiction?)

OP stated they have "G" licenses, unless there is another province that uses a G license he's in Ontario.

[Arkaine]

True, in ON province. However if the OP is in another province it could be different (ÒP`s location not listed--why do people ask legal questions without having their location listed or without stating the applicable jurisdiction?)

LOL snapped.. sorry guy. Yes I am from Ontario. I forgot it wasn't listed in my "location"

OP stated they have "G" licenses, unless there is another province that uses a G license he's in Ontario.

Thanks for the support ;)

[ES_Revenge]

OP stated they have "G" licenses, unless there is another province that uses a G license he's in Ontario.

Hmm, good point, but I have no clue how they assign licenses in other provinces either. To me, it's certainly possible they use letters like G in other provinces. What isn't certainly possible is where the OP lives unless they indicate their location which is simple enough to do in their profile (I don't get why it isn't mandatory actually).

Of course now OP has confirmed ON, heh.