8800GTS Not performing good!! :(

[Majinvegeta]

Hey,

First of all, it sounds like an awesome card, it is better I can tell that already. HOWEVER!!! I think there is something seriously wrong.

I play Counterstrike Source a lot, and no matter what the hell I do, FPS drops to 30 sometimesQ!!! with a 8800GTS?! lolz even if they had a 256MB version, that FPS shouldn't even go below 60 IMO. I have the 8800GTS 320MB XXX Edition from XFX, this thing is the fastest 8800GTS 320 out there!

Now this is not only an issue with CounterStrike Source, I find this in other games as well. But for CSS

Resolution: 1440x900
Graphic Settings: FULL
AA & AN: FULL & NONE

So, I had everything set to FULL FULL FULL! everything including AA and AN at 16x. It was working great but I could see FPS going up and down depending on the action happening on screen. Then for some stupid reason it goes down to 30! and then it starts lagging in places like wtf is going on?!

So I decide, AA & AN off, I play again...SAME KIND OF FPS I get like 50 / 60ish and sometimes it drops further causing lag.

I had a 7600GT and I had no problem with it on full settings + 4xaa and 6xan. So why is this card having problems? I would think with this card I should get 100fps 16xaa 16xan full everything.

Even if not, it shouldn't lag. Is this a drivers issue?? are there other people experiencing this? or is it my card??

I heard another thing about it that there are NO OFFICIAL DRIVERS for this video card, only forceware...w/e that means. Can someone please tell me what the heck is going on?

[awestruck]

When it goes down to 30 and starts chugging alt+tab out of the game (to your desktop or something) and then alt+tab back into the game. If your FPS raises back to normal speeds, then this is a known issue with this card. nVidia is aware of this and they are currently working on a fix, which should be released soon.

[Majinvegeta]

When it goes down to 30 and starts chugging alt+tab out of the game (to your desktop or something) and then alt+tab back into the game. If your FPS raises back to normal speeds, then this is a known issue with this card. nVidia is aware of this and they are currently working on a fix, which should be released soon.

Kool so this is a drivers issue it seems, I will try that when I get home. So is it true that there is no official driver for the 8800GTS?

[Oversized Rooster]

Kool so this is a drivers issue it seems, I will try that when I get home. So is it true that there is no official driver for the 8800GTS?

There have been official drivers for the whole 8800-series line for a long time. What hasn't existed for a long time until recently was actual DX10 support.

But anyway...there is no fix yet for the 8800GTS issue. Nonetheless, always run the newest drivers available unless you're troubleshooting issue (sometimes reverting helps).

How far did you OC yours? I have mine at 650 core and 2000 memory on 70% fan speed.

[Majinvegeta]

There have been official drivers for the whole 8800-series line for a long time. What hasn't existed for a long time until recently was actual DX10 support.

But anyway...there is no fix yet for the 8800GTS issue. Nonetheless, always run the newest drivers available unless you're troubleshooting issue (sometimes reverting helps).

How far did you OC yours? I have mine at 650 core and 2000 memory on 70% fan speed.

lol you actually overclocked it further? mine is at the stock OC they provided me at

According to XFX its supposed to be :
Memory Clock: 1.8 GHz
Clock rate:580 MHz

I tried OC'ing once or twice, failed. I will try again though lol.

[lincoln]

Yeah this is a common experience with the 8800 320. I own an evga and I have the same issue in BF2 when AA is turned on. Supposedly it's because the cards are only 320mb, but in reality it is a driver issue. Just be patient and a fix will be along shortly.

*As a side note, I can really see why the 320mb isn't good at higher resolutions. I'm running a 37" at 1920x1080 and whenever I enable AA in a lot of games, in some areas it starts to really chug for no reason. Usually when I'm close to grass or trees. Anyways, if you are going to buy a 8800 make sure it's either the 640mb or the gtx. The extra memory really helps at these higher resolutions.

[Oversized Rooster]

lol you actually overclocked it further? mine is at the stock OC they provided me at

According to XFX its supposed to be :
Memory Clock: 1.8 GHz
Clock rate:580 MHz

I tried OC'ing once or twice, failed. I will try again though lol.

As long as the card is equipped with the reference cooler (which is a great cooler), you can push it hard. I don't mean to sound offensive, but honestly buying these special edition "max OC" versions are a waste of money.

Just plug the card in, and begin OCing. I run my "simple" BFG card at visibly faster speeds compared to any other factory-OCed card. Fully tested to be stable.

The 320MB version is the sweet spot for 75% of the people buying this thing. Unless you have a 24" or higher LCD, having 640MB memory does nothing for you. And if you get a nice high OC going, you come very close to 8800GTX performance, while saving $200.

That sounds like a deal to me. :D

Try OCing with ATITool. Use the "furry cube" to scan for artifacts. It can find your max memory and core speeds quite quickly. Then set them for startup in RivaTuner and increase the default fan speed a little from 60 to 70%. Anything higher than 72%, and you will start to hear the whine of the fan.

Post your results. With my card, I scored 18980 in 3DMark05 and 10730 in 3DMark06.

[jeffyjaixx]

As long as the card is equipped with the reference cooler (which is a great cooler), you can push it hard. I don't mean to sound offensive, but honestly buying these special edition "max OC" versions are a waste of money.

Just plug the card in, and begin OCing. I run my "simple" BFG card at visibly faster speeds compared to any other factory-OCed card. Fully tested to be stable.

The 320MB version is the sweet spot for 75% of the people buying this thing. Unless you have a 24" or higher LCD, having 640MB memory does nothing for you. And if you get a nice high OC going, you come very close to 8800GTX performance, while saving $200.

That sounds like a deal to me. :D

Try OCing with ATITool. Use the "furry cube" to scan for artifacts. It can find your max memory and core speeds quite quickly. Then set them for startup in RivaTuner and increase the default fan speed a little from 60 to 70%. Anything higher than 72%, and you will start to hear the whine of the fan.

Post your results. With my card, I scored 18980 in 3DMark05 and 10730 in 3DMark06.

+1.

I oc-ed my vanilla EVGA 8800 GTS 640 MB to your speeds as well but I kept it on 60% fan speed because my load temp is 61, so that's good enough.

I got 12,436 3dmark 06 marks with my Quad at 3.512 Ghz and the 8800 GTS at 648/2000. I still have to test it again with my newly overclocked 3.8 Ghz quad. :D

I guess if you don't feel comfortable overclocking, a factory overclocked one would do just fine.

[Majinvegeta]

As long as the card is equipped with the reference cooler (which is a great cooler), you can push it hard. I don't mean to sound offensive, but honestly buying these special edition "max OC" versions are a waste of money.

Just plug the card in, and begin OCing. I run my "simple" BFG card at visibly faster speeds compared to any other factory-OCed card. Fully tested to be stable.

The 320MB version is the sweet spot for 75% of the people buying this thing. Unless you have a 24" or higher LCD, having 640MB memory does nothing for you. And if you get a nice high OC going, you come very close to 8800GTX performance, while saving $200.

That sounds like a deal to me. :D

Try OCing with ATITool. Use the "furry cube" to scan for artifacts. It can find your max memory and core speeds quite quickly. Then set them for startup in RivaTuner and increase the default fan speed a little from 60 to 70%. Anything higher than 72%, and you will start to hear the whine of the fan.

Post your results. With my card, I scored 18980 in 3DMark05 and 10730 in 3DMark06.

Kool! I will try that out! thanks a lot for the info. Can't wait to get home to try this :D. I tried last time with rivatuner and started getting artifacts real quickly, it was wierd.

As for getting the OC models, I guess it is a waste of money, but I got a good deal. I bought it off CiscoKid for $320 lolz, so that was definitely worth it hahaha.

[lincoln]

Kool! I will try that out! thanks a lot for the info. Can't wait to get home to try this :D. I tried last time with rivatuner and started getting artifacts real quickly, it was wierd.

As for getting the OC models, I guess it is a waste of money, but I got a good deal. I bought it off CiscoKid for $320 lolz, so that was definitely worth it hahaha.

The XXX versions or really high end factory overclocked version are worth the extra little bit of money for a couple reasons though. Generally, they do overclock higher than the standard version.

The average OC for a reg card is 625-650mhz GPU and 1900-2000mhz ram

The average OC for a XXX card is between 650-700mhz GPU and 2000mhz-2050mhz ram.

If you can get the XXX version for the same price as the standard then you're good to roll :D

[Oversized Rooster]

Kool! I will try that out! thanks a lot for the info. Can't wait to get home to try this :D. I tried last time with rivatuner and started getting artifacts real quickly, it was wierd.

As for getting the OC models, I guess it is a waste of money, but I got a good deal. I bought it off CiscoKid for $320 lolz, so that was definitely worth it hahaha.

You may have failed if you just went into Riva and told the GPU to go from 500MHz to 600MHz suddenly. OC it slowly. To find the max core and mem, use ATITool. It is the best tool for detecting artifacts when OCing.

And make sure to only OC one component at a time. So first find your core. Then revert back to stock. Then find your mem. And THEN run both at your found OC levels and scan again for artifacts.

Damn you jeffy - I guess the extra 200MHz on the processor and your superior mobo outgunned my setup. :lol:

Lincoln, my "stock" card can actually go faster that 650 core and 2000 mem. I just keep it that way cuz heat is my enemy. I don't think that OC versions clock any better just because they have a price premium. What that premium pays for is things like bundled games, t-shirts or double lifetime warranties.

[Majinvegeta]

You may have failed if you just went into Riva and told the GPU to go from 500MHz to 600MHz suddenly. OC it slowly. To find the max core and mem, use ATITool. It is the best tool for detecting artifacts when OCing.

And make sure to only OC one component at a time. So first find your core. Then revert back to stock. Then find your mem. And THEN run both at your found OC levels and scan again for artifacts.

Damn you jeffy - I guess the extra 200MHz on the processor and your superior mobo outgunned my setup. :lol:

Lincoln, my "stock" card can actually go faster that 650 core and 2000 mem. I just keep it that way cuz heat is my enemy. I don't think that OC versions clock any better just because they have a price premium. What that premium pays for is things like bundled games, t-shirts or double lifetime warranties.

Yes I did do that, I got lazy and just bumped it up by 50 or something, and I did ram and gpu at the same time so I was doing it all wrong ahahah. Thanks for teaching how its done guys, I will try that and hopefully get some great overclock. I will be making another thread when I get my motherboard, im a nub at overclocking CPU's as well :D, hope you guys could help me with that too.

[lincoln]

You may have failed if you just went into Riva and told the GPU to go from 500MHz to 600MHz suddenly. .

Doubtful, but possible I guess. I've never heard of anyone having to OC slowly before if you know how high your card will go. I've never had any trouble maxing out a card from stock settings with one click B4.


Lincoln, my "stock" card can actually go faster that 650 core and 2000 mem. I just keep it that way cuz heat is my enemy. I don't think that OC versions clock any better just because they have a price premium. What that premium pays for is things like bundled games, t-shirts or double lifetime warranties.

You're lucky then. Like I said in my post, most XXX cards will OC higher than the standard one's. Reason being, when companies manufacture these cards they test and classify the cards depending on their performance just as chip manufacturers do for their CPU's (EG. Intel e6300, e6400, e6600, etc. The e6600 OC higher than e6300 in most cases.)
I've been saying "in most cases" because there are random exceptions.

In most cases, buying a XXX card means that it tested higher than a standard batch of cards. Hence why it will overclock higher.

Oversized Rooster, you can argue all you want that stock cards OC just as well, that's fine. But if you look up articles all over the net, you'll see a trend of the XXX OC'ing higher.
If you break the 700mhz GPU barrier, then you definetly lucked out huge. The only card I've heard of doing that consistantly is the XXX.

[Oversized Rooster]

If you break the 700mhz GPU barrier, then you definetly lucked out huge. The only card I've heard of doing that consistantly is the XXX.

Once I put a Thermalright HR-03 Plus on my card, I'll aim to achieve that.

[KonniXeoN]

just 3dmark bench it, and see if it's performing well.

[Majinvegeta]

I am doing the overclocking right now using the ATITool, I am using the find max core button for it to automatically find the highest. During the tests, I see these yellow dots come up from time to time, however the utility itself says no errors while its running. So is the utility messed up? or are the yellow dots supposed to be artifacts? usually they are white...so I am guessing its normal..

[Oversized Rooster]

Any color distortion is artifacts.

It is possible to have your card run at a certain OC level where it NEVER EVER crashes, but you do have artifacts in some games.

There are some people who are comfortable with this arrangement, and the card DOES run without crashing or hanging.

However that is not considered to be a stable OC officially.

[Majinvegeta]

Yea it seems that it will not go over 615 lol. Immediately when I hit 615 on ATITool, artifacts show up and it reports it as errors. Memory it went up to 748 and then got artifacts and then crashed.

That is very poor compared to your guys.

Maybe its the stupid cooling in my case, the temperature that ATITool was showing was 77 Celsius. Is that bad with todays cards?

[Oversized Rooster]

How are you running 648 memory with artifacts? That's below the reference speed!

[silva95teg]

well you guys got me doing mine right now too, I didnt change the fan speed however cause i like it quiet. i hit 662 for core and 1086 for mem, i haven't tried them both yet , just after it hit 1086 my cpu jumped to 100 on both cores and my computer although it didnt crash had to be restarted.

[silva95teg]

well after a restart i set both to 650 and 1050 and ran for 10 min no errors, Fan still at 60 percent and card running at 78 degrees under full load. Then i played plasma pong for about 5 minutes ... it is a little hard to tell if there were artifacts though.... Maxed out everything the worst i got in it oc was 46fps compared to 30 at stock speed. Then i ran 3dmark06 with everything else open like this window and messenger and widgets ect and scored 10846 which is better than my 9820 at stock settings. Funny thing though ... 3dmark showed the correct gfx card on my comp but the online results said i had a 8600 gs.

[Majinvegeta]

How are you running 648 memory with artifacts? That's below the reference speed!

Sorry my mistake, 748, I corrected it lolz.

EDIT: BTW, I do have an Asrock 775DUAL-VSTA motherboard if you had not noticed...you think that could be causing it? Because I heard something of the like that its not a full 16x PCI-Express slot or something. I definitely am starting to think its the motherboard causing these crashes and not the video card itself. Oh well, will get my new board today (P5K) and see how that works out.

[jeffyjaixx]

Damn you jeffy - I guess the extra 200MHz on the processor and your superior mobo outgunned my setup. :lol:


Actually, that score was from a 3.5 Quad not 3.8 :lol:

[Oversized Rooster]

Actually, that score was from a 3.5 Quad not 3.8 :lol:

Stop it man. You're gonna make me buy a Barcelona just for 3DMark06 purposes! I wasn't planning on upgrading for a year!

[matkun]

Your 3dMark06 penis size impresses me.

In other news: It's just a number designed to make you buy new stuff.

[scorpio1030]

Sorry for the late reply - hope you're still watching this thread.

As a previous poster mentioned you should run the latest drivers on that card - there were some odd memory allocation problems in the earlier drivers.

Here is the latest Microsoft Certified driver: (I am assumung your running Windows XP 32 bit)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_162.18.html

I'm not sure if you are aware of a known lag issue in CS:S. The player becomes unresponsive if "mouse smoothing" is on.

Finally your motherboard is limiting the card - the PCIe slot is only 4 lanes.


Good Luck.

[Ryukishen]

I personally don't have an 8800GTS and instead went for the X1950 XTX variety because I still like Ati despite their failure in the high-end graphics card. Partially because their drivers are generally better, but mostly because of an employee discount.

I'm pretty sure you've tried the latest drivers, and probably the windows XP driver. If all fails to work then as stated above it probably is an 8800 GTS 320MiB issue. However, all that I can think of right now is how to diagnose the problems and not how to resolve it. I'll need to hit up google later but right now i'm at work.

[jeffyjaixx]

Stop it man. You're gonna make me buy a Barcelona just for 3DMark06 purposes! I wasn't planning on upgrading for a year!

lol. Sorry, sorry. Actually, I must have been lucky or something. I re-tried 3dmark 06 at 3.9 Ghz and I only got 12,017 but my CPU score did increase :lol:.

Your 3dMark06 penis size impresses me.

In other news: It's just a number designed to make you buy new stuff.

Agreed... but I don't think I'm going to upgrade a for a year or two now... I have everything I need.

[matkun]

Back on topic.. how common are the driver issues with the 8800 GTS?

The $15 MIR for the Ncix EVGA SuperClocked one are almost enough to push me over the edge and get it, but I'm still having reservations with all the driver issues I've been hearing about.

[tridium]

Did anyone run ATITool on Vista with the 8800GTS 320MB? I installed 0.26 and it doesn't say that I have a graphics card set up for display or something. I guess it just doesn't see my card since the CPU and Mem speeds are 0. RivaTuner and nTune both see my card fine though.

[Oversized Rooster]

Back on topic.. how common are the driver issues with the 8800 GTS?

The $15 MIR for the Ncix EVGA SuperClocked one are almost enough to push me over the edge and get it, but I'm still having reservations with all the driver issues I've been hearing about.

I have experienced absolutely no driver problems. I have not experienced the "slow-down" issue either with my card.

If you can justify it to yourself, I recommend going for it. The 8800GTS is a great card - runs all of today's games at max settings at 1280x1024. Who knows - maybe even higher resolutions (I just use 19" LCDs so can't try).

Cards that can OC well such as mine and jeffy's reach 90% of 8800GTX performance while still costing around $350. That's value right there.

[jeffyjaixx]

I have experienced absolutely no driver problems. I have not experienced the "slow-down" issue either with my card.

If you can justify it to yourself, I recommend going for it. The 8800GTS is a great card - runs all of today's games at max settings at 1280x1024. Who knows - maybe even higher resolutions (I just use 19" LCDs so can't try).

Cards that can OC well such as mine and jeffy's reach 90% of 8800GTX performance while still costing around $350. That's value right there.

+1.

I have the 640MB version and it runs well on 1920x1200 resolution on high settings in every game I play.

[matkun]

I have experienced absolutely no driver problems. I have not experienced the "slow-down" issue either with my card.

If you can justify it to yourself, I recommend going for it. The 8800GTS is a great card - runs all of today's games at max settings at 1280x1024. Who knows - maybe even higher resolutions (I just use 19" LCDs so can't try).

Cards that can OC well such as mine and jeffy's reach 90% of 8800GTX performance while still costing around $350. That's value right there.

Vista or Win XP?

I'd be replacing my X1900XT 256MB.. and it's not worth it to replace it for DX9, since I game at 1280x1024 and can already run everything out there at max.

If I did get it, would have to run Vista (to run DX10), which would mean I would be using Vista Business 64-bit from Waterloo. Most of the horror stories seem to pertain to Vista.

[Oversized Rooster]

Vista or Win XP?

I'd be replacing my X1900XT 256MB.. and it's not worth it to replace it for DX9, since I game at 1280x1024 and can already run everything out there at max.

If I did get it, would have to run Vista (to run DX10), which would mean I would be using Vista Business 64-bit from Waterloo. Most of the horror stories seem to pertain to Vista.

WinXP. The X1900XT is a fine card indeed.

I used to have a 512MB X1900XTX, but I think the 8800GTS is a faster card.

Why go with 64-bit Vista Biz instead of 32-bit?

[Majinvegeta]

Back on topic.. how common are the driver issues with the 8800 GTS?

The $15 MIR for the Ncix EVGA SuperClocked one are almost enough to push me over the edge and get it, but I'm still having reservations with all the driver issues I've been hearing about.

Actually its not that bad.

The problem with playing CSS seems to have been gone after I installed the new motherboard :D. So I think it was because of the slower PCI-E slot in the old asrock motherboard. Because I see a very significant difference now, could be possibly the CPU overclock but before I was getting like 60/50 fps, and sometimes it would drop to 30 for some reason. Now I am getting over 100 with everything full + 16xaa and 16xan. It wont go below 90.

So I am happy now, I am also happy that I got my CPU to 3.0ghz!! :D I have to make a new thread to see if I can go further heheeh.

[matkun]

WinXP. The X1900XT is a fine card indeed.

I used to have a 512MB X1900XTX, but I think the 8800GTS is a faster card.

Why go with 64-bit Vista Biz instead of 32-bit?

Because I would like to use 4 gigs of ram on Vista to make the most of it's memory management capabilities without impacting gaming performance.

If I am going to reinstall, I would like to not have to reinstall for another year or so, meaning 64-bit is the way to go.

[Majinvegeta]

I am kind of getting sick of these Nvidiot cards.

I try playing Final Fantasy XI, I have issues, I tried playing CSS, I have issues, I have tried playing Sim Societies, I have issues.

In FFXI, I get 30fps, and when theres more characters on screen, that'll go even lower to about 15fps. Some people say it works ok on Windows XP. I want to know if this is an issue with ATi cards on Vista as well?

As for Counterstrike, you guys already know the issue because thats the initial problem I was complaining about. That is STILL an on-going issue, does it take nvidia 3 years to respond to the situation? I now play Call of Duty 4 and that game runs fine.

As for Sim Societies, as the cities grow bigger it starts lagging, I even dumbed down the graphics to low on all the stuff, still it starts to lag. After that, I sometimes get error messages popping up and crashing the game.

Issues Issues and more issues with Nvidia cards.

Is there any ATi guy out here who can try these games and tell me if they work fine with Vista? because I am beginning to think this is just a Nvidia problem, not a Operating System problem or something.

I like nvidia, but if this is how nvidia handles things, im out and ill just switch to an ATi card, even if it is inferior to the 8800 series, I really don't care.

[mavrik13]

As per FFXI, its an issue both with FFXI itself (which is, in reality, a 5+ year old game built on DX8), and trying to run it in DX10 native (Vista + Nvidia) causes it to be ****, or so I have read. This problem does not occur with ATI + Vista, or Nvidia + XP.

Just so that you know, its been well over a year since people have been having issues with 8000 series Nvidia cards and FFXI - I did a bit of research (I used to play myself a few years back, so incase I want to go back) on this - it only appears to happen with certain peoples systems though, some people have reported 8600 + Vista with no problems... so who knows

This is why I ordered ATI over Nvidia - The tech support for issues with games has been terrible from what I've seen!

[jetpackjeff]

*Not performing WELL!!

[Majinvegeta]

As per FFXI, its an issue both with FFXI itself (which is, in reality, a 5+ year old game built on DX8), and trying to run it in DX10 native (Vista + Nvidia) causes it to be ****, or so I have read. This problem does not occur with ATI + Vista, or Nvidia + XP.

Just so that you know, its been well over a year since people have been having issues with 8000 series Nvidia cards and FFXI - I did a bit of research (I used to play myself a few years back, so incase I want to go back) on this - it only appears to happen with certain peoples systems though, some people have reported 8600 + Vista with no problems... so who knows

This is why I ordered ATI over Nvidia - The tech support for issues with games has been terrible from what I've seen!

Thanks Mavrick.

I was a nvidia fan, now I am switching to ATi, screw you nvidia. If Nvidia is going to bottleneck everybody making the switch from 32bit to 64bit then screw them, they can rot and stay behind.