UW Engineers...Questions??

[jljdaigl]

I'm sure there are some prospective or current University of Waterloo Engineers out there. I just wanted to start a thread mostly for the prospective ones who have and questions or concerns they would like to have addressed, because I know I had a ton of questions I would have liked to ask but didn't get to.

I am just finishing up my 3B term in Computer Engineering at UW, so I can accurately answer any questions about ECE (Electrical and Computer Eng), while other engineering courses are only common during first year, I may still have some insight into questions you have about them ( I have friends in every engineering program so that helps a bit ). Other than that I am also quite involved with the Engineering Society here so I can answer questions relating to that as well as general UW,campus, residence and other random topics. Oh ya, I have also completed 4 work terms and doing my 5th in the fall so Coop questions are welcomed too.

If there are other experienced UW Engineers reading this than feel free to jump in and correct me, throw in your 2 cents, answer questions about specifics I don't know, etc...

[skuric]

Is it true that a significant number of profs are past CEOs who can't teach?

[nwwong]

Um, I don't know about profs being past CEOs. But like all programs, you'll have some great profs and you'll have some bad profs. Overall, engineering has more good profs than bad. Though most people tend to remember the very bad ones which sends the impression that all engineering profs suck. I've been through good and bad profs and you just learn to adapt to it.

[jljdaigl]

As mentioned above like every school and every program you are going to get some bad profs sometimes. I would say that so far during my academic career I have never had a terrible professor yet, there have been a couple bad ones but nothing I couldn't overcome or just ignore. For the most part they are pretty good, and I have definitely had more amazing professors than I've had bad ones.

As for the CEO comment...never heard that and I never asked so I am not sure.

[moyboy]

Word on the street PDEng sucks.

[Evgeny]

Word on the street PDEng sucks.

Word on the street is oh-so-right. I'm just finishing up pdeng25 for the second time. It's not fun. At all. Also, there's the infamous "what type of animal are you" assignment.

[jljdaigl]

oh PDEng...I wasn't sure whether or not that would come up as a topic here. You're right about the word on the street being that is "sucks", however there are thing you have to understand.

For those that do not know, PDEng is a Professional Development for Engineers course, it is all online based and UW Engineering student have to take it on 5 of their 6 work terms. Now that thats out of the way, being in the graduating class of 2009, I along with the rest of my peers have had to suffer the worst that PDEng has had to offer, since we are the first ever class to take this class. Most of the "word on the street" is heard from students of the class of 2009 since PDEng was basically test driven on us and it wasnt properly prepared. However the idea of the course is not a bad one and it can benefit many students, maybe not all but many. From what I have seen/heard the classes taking PDEng now have a more stable and improved course than we did, however for now it is still a work in progress, as is anything new.

To be honest although it is quite annoying to have to do addition school work during a coop term (very little work required though) it isn't as bad as the word on the street makes it out to be. Fairly simple assignments, multiple attempts at an assignment if you fail one...I mean its not hard to pass. The only thing that really really bothers me about the course is how disorganized it is, however that is my class of 2009 opinion, and now that they have our feedback and the course laid out, classes to come should be fine.

Most of the complaints you will hear are people who don't want to do school work on coop, people that failed a level of pdeng multiple times since they didn't put in any effort and just random screamings about how it sucks. I mean I won't praise it, I don't like PDEng but since when do we like everything about school or life for that matter....its not even close to as bad as most people make it out to be.

[alv077]

oooh. is the 'what animal are you' assignment only for engineers?

i want to take it! maybe i'll be a penguin... i like penguins =D

[Shieftain]

PDEng does indeed suck. I lost all my faith in UW the moment I found out what it was. Hopefully it'll be better for the new kids.

Also, prepare for a very boring 5 years of your life.

[ryan123]

is PDENG as bad as PD2 for math, cs and arts students?

[TurboRegal]

Any questions Nano Engineers have feel free to shoot. Entering 2A in the fall.
For Nano: They are still working out the kinks in the program, and they are shuffling around the courses, and seeming to make the terms easier and more manageable.

As for PDEng:
I don't think it really helps out too much, but it IS NOT as bad as people make it. However I have always enjoyed writing so I don't mind that aspect. People make WAY too much of a deal out of it, and wind and complain incessantly. It has problems, I don't think it's very useful, but give me a break when you say it "takes up all your time" and other arguments. I spent 2 hours on each assignment (6 assignments during your work term, about one every other week), along with about 15-30 min on resubmits when needed...

I don't understand how people can't find approx 1-2 hours a week during their summer to do PDeng...

[khtm]

You hopefully realize that none of you are "Engineers" and legally can't label yourselves as such until you have a P.Eng?

The correct thread title would be "UW Engineering Students...Questions??". :)

[goobelygoop]

You hopefully realize that none of you are "Engineers" and legally can't label yourselves as such until you have a P.Eng?

The correct thread title would be "UW Engineering Students...Questions??". :)

http://www.basetree.com/thumbs2/Shut_Up_Fox.jpg

[michaeljchan]

Here is my summary of UW Engineering
(i'm in my 3B Civil Engineering doing structural major)

#1. PDeng = I dont like it period....
#2. Co-op program = Awesome !.. Although your first job might be office B@!^(, after you get your feet wet, jobs can be really cool. (worked for TTC, Pearson airport and now Olympics 2010 in Whistler)

#3. Wei-Chow Xie all the way !! (he's a really awesome prof)

If you have any questions please feel free to ask me as well ..

Oh btw, i've just started a club on campus called
HAPN - Healthy Active Promotion Network

So if you're on campus this fall, stop by our booth on clubs day and say hi :P
The club website is still under major construction but the forum is accessable

www.hapn.info (under construction, but some of it is up)
www.hapn.info/forum (you can learn more here as well)

[alv077]

How did the constitution writing process go for you?

[michaeljchan]

I'm really involved, so I had prior experience in writing sponsorship packages and other side businesses proposals.

All i can say is ..
The Feds said
"this is one of the best proposals i've ever seen"

[rijet]

Any questions Nano Engineers have feel free to shoot. Entering 2A in the fall.
For Nano: They are still working out the kinks in the program, and they are shuffling around the courses, and seeming to make the terms easier and more manageable.


Hey, I am kinda stuck between doing mechanical and nano at UW.
1. What kind of jobs can I expect after graduating from nano eng., specifically in Canada?
2. Will it easy to transition from nano to mech. after first year in case I decide to change my mind?
3. Any general comments on nano eng itself?

[jljdaigl]

I don't really know anything about the NanoEng program myself so hopefully Turbo or another current student can answer this for you

[nkwu]

PDEng should die.

While the course itself and the motives behind it aren't bad at all. It is terribly disorganized, the marking is very inconsistent, and the marking scheme is terrible. I heard there was supposed be some sort of reform for it but I don't know...

2. Will it easy to transition from nano to mech. after first year in case I decide to change my mind?

If you transfer from any engineering to another, expect to do a non-degree term before you're admitted into the other engineering department in order to catch up on lost material. Most engineering terms for first year aren't THAT much different, but the differences in courses means you have to catch up on some lost material. This means you'll effectively graduate a year later.

In some departments, this might not be the case. For example, I assume that a transfer from SE to ECE or vice versa might not require you to take that many courses to catch up on material, so you might be able to get by with a distance course.

So, if you decide to switch from Nano to mech, make that decision as fast as possible if you have doubts. As time goes on, it gets harder to switch among engineering departments.

It's far easier to transfer to a whole other faculty.


Oh, I'm in Soft Eng, any questions you can point towards me. Albeit, I'm repeating a term. So I can answer any questions pertaining to your worries about failing too ;) (But on the real, there's nothing to be scared of, almost all fails I've seen, mine included, have not been because of the material, but a lack of work or motivation)

[jljdaigl]

As for the switching between engineering programs it depends on the situation your in. As mentioned the longer you want obviously the harder it will be and an extra term may become necessary. If the switch is made within the fist year, you may not have to make up any courses at all, most first year eng. programs are pretty similar and I even know someone who switched from Chemical Eng. to Comp. Eng after he finish 1B...only had to make up 2 courses which he can overload for on a regular academic term (since we get upto 6 courses and usually only take 5)

It all depends...just make your decision sooner rather than later.

[manho]

Here is my summary of UW Engineering
(i'm in my 3B Civil Engineering doing structural major)

#1. PDeng = I dont like it period....
#2. Co-op program = Awesome !.. Although your first job might be office B@!^(, after you get your feet wet, jobs can be really cool. (worked for TTC, Pearson airport and now Olympics 2010 in Whistler)

#3. Wei-Chow Xie all the way !! (he's a really awesome prof)

If you have any questions please feel free to ask me as well ..

Oh btw, i've just started a club on campus called
HAPN - Healthy Active Promotion Network

So if you're on campus this fall, stop by our booth on clubs day and say hi :P
The club website is still under major construction but the forum is accessable

www.hapn.info (under construction, but some of it is up)
www.hapn.info/forum (you can learn more here as well)

i gave up on structural after 303 and 313

[TurboRegal]

Hey, I am kinda stuck between doing mechanical and nano at UW.
1. What kind of jobs can I expect after graduating from nano eng., specifically in Canada?
2. Will it easy to transition from nano to mech. after first year in case I decide to change my mind?
3. Any general comments on nano eng itself?

1. No one is really sure yet to say the least... My guess is for the first few years research jobs. I'm taking an option in Managerial Science just to help out my resume a bit... So far no one has even got past 2nd year yet, so no one is going to be able to answer this for a while...

2. A few courses will transfer, but I think nano is the most specialized right off the bat, so you'll prob have to take an extra term.

3. If the program gets its kinks worked out, it will be really great. Right now I'm worried I won't be specialized enough in one specific area, and it being to "general" but other engineers like SysDe and others are just as general, so this might not be a big deal. They've already worked out some of the problems for us being the 2nd class to go through, and it's still getting tweaked for upcoming classes.
Also as the program progressed more and more nano coop jobs will become available. There are always general IT jobs and Chem Eng jobs to take from the other engineers. One you get to the higher years you'll also be able to find more jobs to do with nano. You can always find you own jobs as well.

In general, I'm not really worried in the long run, the nano industry is exploding (I'm seeing more and more every day, even in general RSS feeds that I subscribe to like AutoBlogGreen etc.), but I think right after school I might have some troubles finding a "nano" job, but being a Waterloo engineer I won't have troubles finding a job, I know that. Of course if you get a good nano coop job in your later work terms, you'd probably be guaranteed to get a job either there or with another company...

If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me, and if you're going into nanotech this fall, let me know and I'll PM you the address of our forums so you can get the help of all the 2011's and 2012's!

[rijet]

Thanks nkwu, jldaigl, TurboRegal for all the help.
I am going to gr12 this year so its not really that big of a deal at the moment, but I still want to prepare myself in terms of... basically everything lol.

[TurboRegal]

Thanks nkwu, jldaigl, TurboRegal for all the help.
I am going to gr12 this year so its not really that big of a deal at the moment, but I still want to prepare myself in terms of... basically everything lol.

If you want to get into nano, you'll most likely need at least a 90% average (everyone in my class had a 90+ average IIRC).

Just FYI...

[Adage]

Hey guys, I'm in EE. After looking at my schedule, I realized I'll be sitting in the same lecture hall/classroom for pretty much 3-4 hours everyday. What do you guys think of this? Are you allowed to walk out of lectures right in the middle? I can't see myself sitting in the same spot for 3-4 hours a day.

[matkun]

Hey guys, I'm in EE. After looking at my schedule, I realized I'll be sitting in the same lecture hall/classroom for pretty much 3-4 hours everyday. What do you guys think of this? Are you allowed to walk out of lectures right in the middle? I can't see myself sitting in the same spot for 3-4 hours a day.

There are 10 minutes inbetween lectures for people to get to their next class. Also, of course you are allowed to come/leave any time. Nobody cares as long as you don't make noise while doing so, or block the blackboard, etc.

[michaeljchan]

Hey guys, I'm in EE. After looking at my schedule, I realized I'll be sitting in the same lecture hall/classroom for pretty much 3-4 hours everyday. What do you guys think of this? Are you allowed to walk out of lectures right in the middle? I can't see myself sitting in the same spot for 3-4 hours a day.


Regardless of your attendence, they profs get paid .. it comes up to around some crazy $$$ / hour .. (lazy to do the math).

But be warned, some profs dont like it ... and you will be on their black lists.

[j3tang]

Regardless of your attendence, they profs get paid .. it comes up to around some crazy $$$ / hour .. (lazy to do the math).

But be warned, some profs dont like it ... and you will be on their black lists.

quit scaring the new students .. haha

honestly, nobody cares

i've been at UW for 7 years (5 years Mech Eng co-op + 2 years Master of Mechanical + TA) .. yikes, i sound old just saying it :s

[hellodan]

I've had classes in the same room for the past two terms for everyday for more than like.. 3 hours. If you have to go somewhere, just go, but as some people have said, some profs don't like it. If you get up once in a while to use the washroom, thats fine, but if you keep going in and out for whatever reason they have every reason to get annoyed.

But all my profs so far have been really nice, if i'm dressed up for an interview and i walk out they'll always stop the lesson and wish me luck. :)

BTW, Entering 2nd Year Environmental Engineering, so if you've got any questions about it, give me a shout.

[Adage]

For those of you who took ECE and had to program C# in first year. What compiler did you guys use?

[sgdoso]

For those of you who took ECE and had to program C# in first year. What compiler did you guys use?

SDK

[sgdoso]

Entering 2A next year, and right now I'm considering my future TBEs and TEs. Could anyone give me some advice like which one is better? well you know when you go to academic advisor you always get answers like choosing the one you r interested in... but that is not what I need...

[stannum]

For those of you who took ECE and had to program C# in first year. What compiler did you guys use?

In 1A, ECE 150 (C# programming) I generally used the official M$oft one that comes with the .NET SDK.

I hear other people using an open source one called Mono.

[tracks]

Hey guys, I'm in EE. After looking at my schedule, I realized I'll be sitting in the same lecture hall/classroom for pretty much 3-4 hours everyday. What do you guys think of this? Are you allowed to walk out of lectures right in the middle? I can't see myself sitting in the same spot for 3-4 hours a day.

I was in SYDE and we had all our classes in the same room all day everyday for the first two years. Its not as bad as it seems, because you kind of own that classroom for the whole term. its a pretty crappy and dank room (like all eng rooms), but it served its purpose. also nice not having to go to another building in winter or when its raining.

[krowten_hsid]

Do they still do that live chicken prank during freshman week ?

My buddy described it like this when he was there during the first day of orientation:

They forced everyone into an examination room and administered a written applitude test. The results of which would finalize whether a student was actually accepted into the school. Needless to say, they had all kinds of impossible questions like what's the density of dark matter or what are the 14 axioms of string theory. So as everyone is crapping in their pants trying to answer, a dozen or so live chickens are thrown into the room from 3 different doors leading into the room.

[CastIronStove]

Do they still do that live chicken prank during freshman week ?

My buddy described it like this when he was there during the first day of orientation:

They forced everyone into an examination room and administered a written applitude test. The results of which would finalize whether a student was actually accepted into the school. Needless to say, they had all kinds of impossible questions like what's the density of dark matter or what are the 14 axioms of string theory. So as everyone is crapping in their pants trying to answer, a dozen or so live chickens are thrown into the room from 3 different doors leading into the room.

I was in the computer engineering class of 2005 and we didn't experience anything remotely like that back during orientation in 2000.

[MoonDoggy]

Do they still do that live chicken prank during freshman week ?

My buddy described it like this when he was there during the first day of orientation:

They forced everyone into an examination room and administered a written applitude test. The results of which would finalize whether a student was actually accepted into the school. Needless to say, they had all kinds of impossible questions like what's the density of dark matter or what are the 14 axioms of string theory. So as everyone is crapping in their pants trying to answer, a dozen or so live chickens are thrown into the room from 3 different doors leading into the room.

The used to do that back in the days before they cracked down on the activities during frosh week. Now, the frosh week is pretty mild in comparison. I did that test but no live chickens.

Now the Iron Ring ceremony is still pretty much the same :D

[babaji]

Question: Does UW have a general engineering program like the TrackOne program offered at UofT:SG? If it doesn't, what would you say would be the program to choose if I want to change?

[CastIronStove]

Now the Iron Ring ceremony is still pretty much the same :D

Watch it there fella, we're not supposed to talk about it.

[civ@uw]

Question: Does UW have a general engineering program like the TrackOne program offered at UofT:SG? If it doesn't, what would you say would be the program to choose if I want to change?

No there's no program like that UW.

You can switch quite easily before 1B (second semester of first year), provided your marks are good (high 70s low 80s). After 1B is over, it gets a lot harder, although it's not impossible. There are some courses in that term which are pre-reqs for later courses in certain programs.

[babaji]

No there's no program like that UW.

You can switch quite easily before 1B (second semester of first year), provided your marks are good (high 70s low 80s). After 1B is over, it gets a lot harder, although it's not impossible. There are some courses in that term which are pre-reqs for later courses in certain programs.

Ah, thanks. How hard is it to get low to high 80s in university?

[madeals]

Hi guys,
Have any of you taken ECE354 with Prof. Ajit? How was he? He mentioned that the TAs are going to mark everything. This term the TAs are Akon and Liton. Any idea about them?
Thanks.

[kt11]

Hi guys,
Have any of you taken ECE354 with Prof. Ajit? How was he? He mentioned that the TAs are going to mark everything. This term the TAs are Akon and Liton. Any idea about them?
Thanks.

Akon's allright, he mentioned that he wanted to "Smack That" specifically "all across the floor" and asked me to "give some more". :lol: :lol:

[madeals]

Akon's allright, he mentioned that he wanted to "Smack That" specifically "all across the floor" and asked me to "give some more". :lol: :lol:

Can he do that? :twisted::confused: How did he ask:?:

[missionheights]

Entering 2A next year, and right now I'm considering my future TBEs and TEs. Could anyone give me some advice like which one is better? well you know when you go to academic advisor you always get answers like choosing the one you r interested in... but that is not what I need...

for ece,

easy TBES:
-psych 256: Introduction to Cognitive Science
-ece309: Introduction to Thermodynamics and Heat Transfer
-ece362: Modeling and Control of Electric Drives

(90% of ppl end up taking ece231 - waste of time course, but it fits conviently into your time schedule the term it is offered)


easy TES:
-ece418: communcation networks
-ece428: computer networks and security
-ece456: databases
-ece457/ece454 can either be very hard, or very easy depending on the prof
-any 400-level msci
-se382: human-computer interaction
-syde452: interface design

[madeals]

Akon's allright, he mentioned that he wanted to "Smack That" specifically "all across the floor" and asked me to "give some more". :lol: :lol:

I was puzzled to read that, at first. That was funny.

Any helpful comment on Akon and Liton as TAs?

[Ares7]

Sorry to bring up such an old post but...got a few important questions~_~

I'm in comp eng and finished my 1B term this august. My questions are:

1. Well..I'm planning to do MBA after I graduate; but since I need high marks to get in, I kinda want to switch out of engineering...I'm also sort of losing my motivations as the time goes on, losing interests on hardwares and stuffs. I think it's kinda pointless to spend so much effort, since I don't think undergrad studies really matter as soon as I get my MBA degree (right?).
My average wasnt that bad last term (high 70) but I think it'll be much harder to do better later on. What do you suggest?
(If I switch out, I'm thinking of cfm, cs, actsci or some arts program. Something more flexible and with many overlapping first year courses with ece)

2. Would options really matter for my graduate studies? I mean, would taking an msci option now do any good for getting into a grad school for mba? Some people say it doesn't really matter tho. (that is, if i plan to stay in ece)

3. How's 2A ECE compared to 1B? (I heard 2B's a lot harder, but no info about 2A).

Haha I think I wrote too much.
Well, thanks in advance! :razz:

[nwwong]

Sorry to bring up such an old post but...got a few important questions~_~

I'm in comp eng and finished my 1B term this august. My questions are:

1. Well..I'm planning to do MBA after I graduate; but since I need high marks to get in, I kinda want to switch out of engineering...I'm also sort of losing my motivations as the time goes on, losing interests on hardwares and stuffs. I think it's kinda pointless to spend so much effort, since I don't think undergrad studies really matter as soon as I get my MBA degree (right?).
My average wasnt that bad last term (high 70) but I think it'll be much harder to do better later on. What do you suggest?
(If I switch out, I'm thinking of cfm, cs, actsci or some arts program. Something more flexible and with many overlapping first year courses with ece)

2. Would options really matter for my graduate studies? I mean, would taking an msci option now do any good for getting into a grad school for mba? Some people say it doesn't really matter tho. (that is, if i plan to stay in ece)

3. How's 2A ECE compared to 1B? (I heard 2B's a lot harder, but no info about 2A).

Haha I think I wrote too much.
Well, thanks in advance! :razz:

Why do you want your MBA? What kind of job are you looking to get? If you just want a businessy job, might as well switch out now and enroll in a general BA program.

And I'm not in comp eng, but I'm sure this applies to all engineering. It WILL get harder in 2nd and 3rd year, especially with all the labs you have to do.

[Adage]

Why do you want your MBA? What kind of job are you looking to get? If you just want a businessy job, might as well switch out now and enroll in a general BA program.

And I'm not in comp eng, but I'm sure this applies to all engineering. It WILL get harder in 2nd and 3rd year, especially with all the labs you have to do.

I too am looking foward to getting an MBA. My parents keep telling me that in the industry, an MBA is highly praised. Moreso if one held a B.A.Sc and MBA. Hopefully it should give me an edge in looking for jobs since the combination is not too common.

[y3llowf3llow]

Hey guys, I'll be a frosh leader for the engineering faculty this frosh. I'm in the blue group but I'll be glad to answer any questions even if you're from a rival group. My word of advice, even though some frosh activities will seem lame, GO TO THEM. Not only did lots of people spend tremendous amounts of effort on them, but they are great ways to meet people OUTSIDE of your class.

Good Luck Froshies.

[HorizonXP]

I too am looking foward to getting an MBA. My parents keep telling me that in the industry, an MBA is highly praised. Moreso if one held a B.A.Sc and MBA. Hopefully it should give me an edge in looking for jobs since the combination is not too common.

I just graduated in April, Elec. Eng w/ Options in Comp Eng and Management Sciences.

Most reputable MBA programs ask that you have at least 2 years of work experience under your belt, and probably won't look at you without that. Your undergrad degree does matter in that it can lead to certain paths. B.Sc in Biology? If you want to meld it with business, you're looking at Biotech, Pharmacology, or Food Sciences. Making that jump from a engineering degree is a little tough, unless you did chemical.

Also, don't listen to what your parents "say". Do the research yourself and find out. Get hard numbers. B.ASc and MBA combo? More common than you think. But most people I've worked with get the MBA after having worked. And they continue to work in an engineering company. You have some that don't, like plenty of electrical engineers that work in finance (my buddy's working for BMO on the trading floor).

My point is, get a degree that you like. If you don't like engineering anymore, switch. Don't get an MBA for the sake of getting an MBA. Try to have a plan and reason as to why you want/need one. Getting one 'just because' is not helping anyone, especially yourself. Think about it, do the research, find a path that interests you and that you're passionate about. If you're passionate about something, you WILL be successful.

[joomie86]

(90% of ppl end up taking ece231 - waste of time course, but it fits conviently into your time schedule the term it is offered)


Just as a side note, ECE231 is actually required for Elec Eng in 2A

[joomie86]

3. How's 2A ECE compared to 1B? (I heard 2B's a lot harder, but no info about 2A).


A few others answered your other questions, so I guess I'll address this one. Whether you're in elec or computer (I think you said computer) 2A is going to be identical. I guess it differs from person to person, but many people say that 2A is a very easy term, one of the easiest in the program. But because it's known as an "easy" term a lot of people tend to slack off. make sure you (actually) do your calc and programming assignments, and go to class (or learn on your own) and you should be fine. 223 has a lab, a lot of people complain that labs take time, but I like them because they tend to pull up your mark considerably (and they were kind of fun).

I know when ECEers switch out, they tend to go to act. sci. a lot. I don't know why, maybe a lot of the courses overlap? Not sure. good luck!

[HorizonXP]

A few others answered your other questions, so I guess I'll address this one. Whether you're in elec or computer (I think you said computer) 2A is going to be identical. I guess it differs from person to person, but many people say that 2A is a very easy term, one of the easiest in the program. But because it's known as an "easy" term a lot of people tend to slack off. make sure you (actually) do your calc and programming assignments, and go to class (or learn on your own) and you should be fine. 223 has a lab, a lot of people complain that labs take time, but I like them because they tend to pull up your mark considerably (and they were kind of fun).

I know when ECEers switch out, they tend to go to act. sci. a lot. I don't know why, maybe a lot of the courses overlap? Not sure. good luck!

For me, terms just got progressively harder. 1B was my best term in all of uni. 2A was supposed to be easy, but we ended up getting ruined in the finals because our class' marks were so high from the labs.

2B was a depressing term, and really tough, but one of my best. The hard work paid off, and it really changes you. The next hard term, 3B, is much easier to handle because of this. 3A actually kicked my ass, but that's because I took ECE354 as an extra (remember, I was elec), which ended up being my best course of the term.

4A was pretty easy for most; not me tho, had a lot of personal difficulties at the time, which made it my worst term. Hope that helps.