UTSC Good or Bad?...

[Nguyenmon]

This is gonna be my first year going to university... From all the comments that my friends gave me overall they all said UTSC is good because of their new facilities? St, George didn't accept me.. :( Otherwise I would've went there.

I also want to ask.. if anyone knows.. When do the book lists come out? on site? Also... easy to transfer to St. George from UTSC or no?

[bleeet]

get good grades then you can transfer to St George no problem just make sure you have the requirements to get into the program you want

UTSC= no social life from what i hear

[alv077]

Well, according to the internet tubes...

UofT Scarborough:
It's not a university. It's highschool in disguise. With an emphasis on the crazy and exciting dating scene. Except maybe uglier. Strange but true fact: The architectural style of UTSC is Brutalist Industrialist. Translation? Its brutally ugly. The garden sculptures look like torture devices, and the school resembles a converted prison. You can tell that U of T gave this place the leftovers of the other campuses. Hell in some spots you guys have cubicles in former closets! UTSC is notorious for its ghetto reputation but is a school that truly has flavour. Its populus is perhaps the single most multicultural campus of them all (although once again lots of brown ppl here too). And for the most part they all get along regardless of ethnicities. This may be the one university where assimilation is virtually unheard of. The down side? Highschool cliquishness thrives here and after a while! seeing ENYCE and SEAN JOHN every two seconds starts to wear a little thin.For gods sake ppl your 21 pull up your damn pants! Oh yeh and those cubicles seem to sustain a secret graffiti dialogue culture that really should be studied. What the hell does 'Syndicate' mean anyway?? Stating the obvious: UTSC's secret insecurities arise from the fact that academically they are NOTHING when compared to St. George and they know it!

http://forums.studentawards.com/ViewThread.asp?Ttoken=&SiteID=0&ForumID=63&MessageID=51939

[gzajay]

got TONS of friends at UTSC -- they all say social life lacks. Most people attending the school are commuters, and don't hang around campus than they need to. I have heard good things about their academic and co-op support though. So there's a plus for you.

[skanwar]

There's lots of pros and cons, and only talking to a few students there will solve that (only those with extreme opinions, like the cut/paste above, will take the effort to write them out). I'd suggest you keep open-minded, go to Orientation and other starting events, meet people and find out for yourself.

But to sum it up quick: they've built numerous new buildings around the old brutalist one, added lots of new facilities/pros to the university, are expanding tremendously, and definately (saw a comment higher about this) have academics on-par if not > than st. george. + co-op.

[alv077]

Yeah, I'd agree on that.

The new management building looks pretty nice.

[metro]

dont let "new facilities" fool you. UTSC is still crap.

Lets break it down. (oh and search the forums for my other utsc posts on why utsc sucks)

Negatives

- No social life
- its a commuter campus meaning very few facilities (no pool, poor gym equipment, poor arts/music space, poor meeting areas, poor hangout space, THERE IS A LARGE DEFICIT OF STUDY SPACE, science facilities are about as good as a lab in the 1960s... i could go on)
- students on average get LOWER grades here than else where because the marking is more difficult. dont let this fool you though, you are not in a harder program or getting a better education than elsewhere. You are actually getting a worse education and being marked harder.
- poor extracurricular events/opportunities/organization
- is like a high school more than a college or university. I think niagara college in welland (worst place to live in the world after waterdown and port colborne) is probably a better school than UTSC
-the "fun" of being in university ends in a week (frosh week if you are stupid enough to actually go away to school and live on res at utsc) or 2 days if you live in scarborough.

Positives
+ the co-op program



st george is a few minutes away, commute there instead of utsc. dont waste your time, money or life like i did.

[gzajay]

It IS more like a high school than a post secondary institution....

one big reason is that people already have "cliques" coming into UTSC from high school...

and it doesnt help that the buildings are lined with lockers :razz:

[Dibble]

I actually go to UTSC right now for the BBA Co-op program; entering my 4th year actually. Here's what I have to say about it.

It's a commuter school, and the campus life is definitely limited. However, the people are generally very nice, helpful, and open... much easier to meet new people. And because the campus itself does not offer much, it's pretty much the only way you'd have a social life... networking. What I'm getting at is that you don't need an amazing campus life to have a good university life; so perhaps that should alleviate some concerns.

The down right peeving thing about being at UTSC, for example, is if you are in a deregulated program. You'll be paying the same tuition fees as the similar program at St. George (BBA vs. BCom), and although they tell you that you will be able to access all the facilities that St.George students have, the fact that they are all located at St. George makes that "access" a little bit more difficult. A lot of the students (if not half) within the BBA program are in the Co-op program and many would probably have preferred studying at St. George more so than UTSC but they stuck the Co-op program out in Scarborough. Granted, it's easier to get in to a similar/same program as St.George @ UTSC (entrance grades wise)... but that does not exactly apply to Co-op programs. So in a way, UofT themselves created this inconvenience.

And to all those who complain about the grading scheme and such;
Yes, I've seen instances where grading seemed unfair because only 15 people were in the class and only 2 are allowed to receive A's... and being the 3rd best, I was stuck with a B+. You'd argue, most likely, that if the class was 30 people, you would have been able to get an A. That's failed logic because 30 people means those 2 who were better than you now becomes 4. You're still 5th or 6th... You'd still get that B+.
There are also instances where the average deviation of the grades are so miniscule, 90% of the class ends up getting C+'s but the average still works out to a B- (standard for a 2nd year+ course) because a few managed to get A's and push the average up enough for it to be so. Or instances where everyone relatively got the same grade (very very little deviation overall) and no one got higher than a B+ and lower than a C+.

But amidst all this apparent unfairness and seemingly "harder" grading... it's really not that unfair. Its very fair in fact. Whether it's a hard course or an easy course, if you're good at what you do... you'd still be good at what you do here or anywhere else. Complaining is for those who sit on the border between straight A students and B students who sometimes squeeze in to get A's and sometimes fall short and end up with B+'s. And if you're in that group of students I outlined, do you really have the right to complain? You're certainly not the best in the class... only the best should get those A+'s consistently.

All-in-all though, the people there outweigh many of the negatives. There's more to a school than just it's facilities and inconveniences... and that's the people you'll meet and work with. If you can find yourself a good bunch of people, I can't see it any worse or better than any other school/campus out there. I mean, logically speaking, if the campus life is that good... it just means there's really no where else to go, so that's where everyone hangs out rather than elsewhere. No? I don't think a "good campus life" can substitute a good nightlife district downtown or a place to shop.

[Nguyenmon]

To all of the people telling me to commute to St. George.. I would've went there but they rejected me.. and gave me UTM and UTSC.. I picked UTSC.

I guess I should have to find out for myself.. instead of reading about how much it really sucks..

And if its that hard of marking.. then chances of me transferring back downtown are pretty low then? o.o

EDIT: Nice read... for Dibble's post.. Thanks for your time.. "unless" You just save that copy and paste it whenever someone asks for pro's and con's at UTSC O_O...

[Noob1ee]

Good or bad, it's for you to make!

[Nguyenmon]

Good or bad, it's for you to make!

Yea.. kind of figured that .. from hearing a lot negatives from people on this forum. The only reason why i posted this.. was to hear every1 else's opinion.. Because yesterday.. as I was reading.. i saw lots of negative feedback on UTSC.. and decided to post this thread.. hopefully hearing some positives.. but not that many

[gzajay]

Positives I've heard from my friend in 4th year management co-op:

1) the co-op staff are EXTREMELY helpful. very approchable and make sure you get the job you want
2) the management program has a good reputation with employers (my employer included)

[Dibble]

Positives I've heard from my friend in 4th year management co-op:

1) the co-op staff are EXTREMELY helpful. very approchable and make sure you get the job you want
2) the management program has a good reputation with employers (my employer included)

Well, to correct you... It's getting 'Better'
They cater well to those who are aiming for a career in Accounting or Marketing, but they lack connections with Investment/Banking related companies. In fact, the one coordinator who looks after all investment/banking positions said so himself and it's also quite obvious from the list of jobs they post up.

Also, in terms of our management program having a good reputation... it's half and half. A lot of the current student base is made up of those whose primary language is not english. If yours is, however, then you'd have a very large advantage over many who may be competiting for the same job as you. A large abundance of people in coop who can't seem to be able to speak english during say... interviews... may not come off too well.

However, I've had a generally positive experience with them. Though, like I said, majoring in Finance and trying to land a coop job is extremely hard unless you apply for those listed outside of the coop database.

[Dibble]

To all of the people telling me to commute to St. George.. I would've went there but they rejected me.. and gave me UTM and UTSC.. I picked UTSC.

I guess I should have to find out for myself.. instead of reading about how much it really sucks..

And if its that hard of marking.. then chances of me transferring back downtown are pretty low then? o.o

EDIT: Nice read... for Dibble's post.. Thanks for your time.. "unless" You just save that copy and paste it whenever someone asks for pro's and con's at UTSC O_O...

Glad you found my post helpful :P

P.S. I should consider saving a copy incase someone does ask again.

[skanwar]

There's a lot to say here, but in the end it's all just personal opinions. Someone with a really crappy start will say really crappy things, others will stay neutral. If you want to hear probably a more positively favoured twist than anything else (because some will actually have a really really good experience), feel free to PM me with your cell # and available times and I'll give you a call.

I've been involved on campus for quite a while (particularly in the Management program, seems like that's coming out a lot as well above), so I'll happily answer any questions and direct to other people/resources wherever necessary.

Still - in the end, someone said it perfectly - it's what you make of it. Come in w/o any preconceived bs in your head and form your own opinion.

[Ngo_35]

for those who say utsc has no social life?
Make some new friends damn it. I see so many people still hanging out with their high school friends and when none of their friends are around to talk to they ***** there is no social life. For the love of god, join some clubs, play some sports, and take advantage of what you can get your hands of instead of *****. I dont mind utsc at all. UTSG? I aint going down there when its winter and buses are packed to schnitzel. As with anything in life, you make it how you want it to be.

[JTN416]

This is gonna be my first year going to university... From all the comments that my friends gave me overall they all said UTSC is good because of their new facilities? St, George didn't accept me.. :( Otherwise I would've went there.

I also want to ask.. if anyone knows.. When do the book lists come out? on site? Also... easy to transfer to St. George from UTSC or no?

man, i also get rejected from utsg, i don't know what the hell they're looking for but i had an 86 average, i didn't even get into the co op prog at utsc, i don't know why, im in the management pre program this year at utsc, and i would really perfer utsg, because of the expenses of utsc, parking, gas, etc

[Nguyenmon]

man, i also get rejected from utsg, i don't know what the hell they're looking for but i had an 86 average, i didn't even get into the co op prog at utsc, i don't know why, im in the management pre program this year at utsc, and i would really perfer utsg, because of the expenses of utsc, parking, gas, etc

Oh wow? I only had an 83 avg. Going for biology.. Only two of my friends got into UTSG for biology with 90+ avg's.. every1 else who got in to UTSG had like low 80's for engineering.. yea.. i gotta communte as well.. 1.5 hours one-way from my house to UTSC bus ride ...

[zabuza]

UTSC's secret insecurities arise from the fact that academically they are NOTHING when compared to St. George and they know it!
Any truth to this? Far as I was told, the curiculum is the same. I went to St. George, and it is undoubtedly perceived as the more prestigious campus, I'm not exactly sure why other than for a few exclusive marquis programs (commerce, med, and eng sci - all of which are limited entry programs that a comparatively small percentage of total registrants will get into). I guess it's an excellence-by-association type thing?

I'm not arguing that St. George doesn't offer the better campus life; it's just that the academic superiority thing always struck me as curious. Does anyone actually have numbers, or are people just tooting their horns?

[Nguyenmon]

Any truth to this? Far as I was told, the curiculum is the same. I went to St. George, and it is undoubtedly perceived as the more prestigious campus, I'm not exactly sure why other than for a few exclusive marquis programs (commerce, med, and eng sci - all of which are limited entry programs that a comparatively small percentage of total registrants will get into). I guess it's an excellence-by-association type thing?

I'm not arguing that St. George doesn't offer the better campus life; it's just that the academic superiority thing always struck me as curious. Does anyone actually have numbers, or are people just tooting their horns?

Where are you quoting this from?.... O.o

I always thought in my mind.. that UTSG is harder than UTSC.. because UTSG is main central.. and all that.. and they just send people like to the other campuses. A few people above seems to have stated that UTSC marks harder than UTSG? fact or fiction?

As for material.. "Shouldn't" It be the same through out all campuses.. just the different prof's teaching thats all?

[nocturnelle]

Hi.

Here's my 2 cents about UTSC.

Do not let the new facilities fool you. It's more about the people who are really going to affect your experience, not the buildings itself.

The Arts Administration building is a joke as the arts facilities upstairs suck compared to the old ones. The old art studio used to be where the current bookstore is. The only reason to build the AA was so that the school administration could have fancier offices.

First year classes are packed to the max. So it's going to be hard to get face time with professors.For bio-expect to be packed in the ARC with 500 other students for at least the first two years of your experience.

Social life absolutely sucks due to the clique-ish nature at our school. I'm currently in Management and the biggest and worst clique is the MESA clique. MESA is the departmental student association of the management program. It's good if your in it, bad if you're not. They have some really snobby execs-from my experience.

In addition, most circles run on ethnicity. You will see a huge divide among the student body based on ethnicity. So here's my warning.

Then there is the SCSU-they run elections that no one really votes in. The student population is apathetic about student government.

The lack of study space-SCSU has tried to get us more study space, but it still severely lacks. Bring ear plugs if you really want to study-students talk recklessly at school(again, the high school atmosphere)

Some advice for pre-program students-work really hard in your first year and take less courses. Do not take a full 5 as coop and management admissions are based on 4 full credits.

And if you are a commuter, take advantage of the school's metropass. The lines are horrendous and often they always sell out. So try getting it at the downtown campus if they do sell out.

Food. Theres A&W, Subway, Cdn Chinese food, treats, timmies, the hot dog stand outside the student centre, pizza pizza, pita pit, and the h-wing cafe(overly priced food). And there's also a coffee cart that brews starbucks coffee(it's not that good)

There can be good experiences. It's again, as the previous posters have, it's what you make of it.

[f00kie]

For bio-expect to be packed in the ARC with 500 other students for at least the first two years of your experience.

Just to add a little plug for UTSG, but you'll be sitting with well over 1,000 students for biology and chemistry for the first two years at Con Hall.

[alv077]

I'm currently in Management and the biggest and worst clique is the MESA clique. MESA is the departmental student association of the management program. It's good if your in it, bad if you're not. They have some really snobby execs-from my experience.

Glad someone else picked up on this.

I went to check out the management presentation for prospective students and the exec just went on and on about how he rejected all these other (let's face it, more prestigious) schools like Ivey and Schulich and how management at UTSC was the best thing ever.

Of course, it was more or less a recruitment event... so it is unfair to be overly judgmental over that. I just tend to like more down-to-earth presentations..

[metro]

MESA is a bunch of snobby idiots who think that because they are in management they are all going to become successful execs (which of course they act and treat others as if they were successful execs)

Mind you not everyone in MESA is like that but I would say a majority act as such...

the only good organization in the school is honestly the SCSU. In the last five years they have taken a ****** little organization with almost no services into a productive group with sincere care for students and who have brought a lot of programs and services to students. For the comment on holding elections where few people vote; yeah that is true but that again is the STUPID, CLIQUEY APATHETIC twits that inhabit UTSC. If you want anything out of UTSC other than a degree i strongly recommend you do some work with the SCSU.

If anyone wants any info on UTSC from a grad PM me. I know the school and its programs/services pretty well. I have been involved...

[nocturnelle]

As to how our students really view MESA.

Here's an example of how the management students really feel.

There was one incident one of the management classes in fall of 2006.It was an upper year marketing course. Advertising to be exact.

MESA got BOOED by the entire class. Students were booing very loudly and pounding on the desks at the same time.

And to management coop students. a surprise to you might be that it actually doesn't say co-op on your degree. I found that interesting when I saw that missing on the degree at convocation.

[gzajay]

^^ that is interesting about the degree, never knew that

[Dibble]

And to management coop students. a surprise to you might be that it actually doesn't say co-op on your degree. I found that interesting when I saw that missing on the degree at convocation.

Ummm. Class Action Lawsuit?

We're paying for the co-op fees. If the degree we receive does not say we earned a co-op degree, what are we paying these co-op fees for?

[dmdsoftware2]

Ummm. Class Action Lawsuit?

We're paying for the co-op fees. If the degree we receive does not say we earned a co-op degree, what are we paying these co-op fees for?

Your paying for the advantage of landing co-op jobs and the ~$8000/4months of incoming that comes with them, duh.

[dmdsoftware2]

Where are you quoting this from?.... O.o

I always thought in my mind.. that UTSG is harder than UTSC.. because UTSG is main central.. and all that.. and they just send people like to the other campuses. A few people above seems to have stated that UTSC marks harder than UTSG? fact or fiction?

As for material.. "Shouldn't" It be the same through out all campuses.. just the different prof's teaching thats all?

Students who attend UTSC receive lower marks. Is it because the work is more demanding? harder marking? lazy students? or stupid students?

http://media.www.thevarsity.ca/media/storage/paper285/news/2007/03/29/News/Scarborough.Getting.Shafted-2812453.shtml

Two-thirds of UTSC students report receving average grades of B- and lower. At similar schools (the survey grouped UTSC with Carleton and Ryerson), only 55 per cent of students get such marks. And only four per cent of UTSC students get mostly A's and A+'s, compared to 10 per cent elsewhere.

Personally, I attended UTSC but I took some courses downtown. Oddly, the courses I took downtown, I found it was easier to get marks - that is, there were times where I found getting a 4.0 in a course much easier downtown then at UTSC. As a matter of fact, my highest mark was achieved from a downtown course. I know for a fact that the professor at UTSC that teaches the same course is much harder and I would have likely received 10-20% lower.

I think the difference in grades comes from the fact there is no onsite graduate department at UTSC, although some grad students do make use of the campus. Therefore, you get taught more often then not by professors. I found most courses that I took downtown were taught by grad students and, therefore, marking and difficulty tended to vary greatly.

[CSR]

I feel bad for those in non co-op managment, ie. reg. management because they have to pay virtually the same as co op management students less the co op fee..

[mrgeo]

I go to UTSC atm. I can tell you from what friends tell me, coop is great if your in the management or comp sci programs, otherwise your on your own when finding a job for your coop term. You can however transfer to St.George from UTSC if you choose to as long as you meet the requirements.

In terms of grading schemes, from my experience anyways, that they do mark harder in the first and second year courses. It gets alot easier in the 3rd and 4th year courses, in my program anyways. I've been in courses with the class average being a B or B+. Mainly because classes are smaller and aren't restricted to the grading schemes that the larger classes have.

Feel free to PM me if you have questions :)

[JLei2k]

What most people said it's a commuter school and more like a high school than a university. However the co-op is the bright side. Depends on what program you are in.

[thephenom]

Your paying for the advantage of landing co-op jobs and the ~$8000/4months of incoming that comes with them, duh.

With the tuition you pay every yr, you pretty much don't have to pay any taxes for the co-op term, so you actually pull in $10-12k every 4 months. Which was good enough for eatting out during your coop term, gas/transportation money and tuition for the next semesters + books.

I just finished my 5th yr in co-op management, and I was glad to be in the program. By the last of my workterm, I got my coop contract extended from 4 to 8 months and eventually landed me a full time job despite not graduated yet. Ok, I could of finished my degree in my 5th year, but I found a job I liked and didn't want to over stress myself while starting out at work.

The co-op program itself is great, but only if you are looking for accounting/finance/marketing jobs, other business fields seems to be lacking in job offering. (Probably because majority of the co-op students are all in those 3 fields) Yes, you don't get your fancy i-bank or the dreamy consulting job postings, but these are probably among the elite of business school type jobs. The overall quality of job posting is pretty damn good, plenty of big enterprises, and pretty good job description. Most people I know who had co-op really enjoyed their time at their coop placement.

School life is kind of boring, you'll probably meet a lot more people in first 2 yrs, but once you get to 3rd and 4th year, you're pretty much stuck in the same classes with the same people in your stream. Which is typical doesn't matter what university you go to. Even if I go out with friends from other universities, all their friends are usually the ones in their streams/program. If you're looking for frat or serenity parties, then you went to the wrong school. But then again, you live in Toronto, there are plenty of parties in town for you to meet more people.

Can't say there isn't any social life at UTSC, there are people who have tons of friends in school, and there are also some who graduates with only a few friends they met at school, but at the end of the day, it's up to the person on what they make out of the university experience.

[tokajim]

there's a lot of truth to all the points everyone brought up.

i think it's more of an indictment on the people who attend utsc rather than the academic programs. the truth is a lot of people attend utsc en masse, i.e. they and 25 people they knew from their highschool all enter the same program. this makes for a lot of cliques, and makes it a bit more difficult to make friends early on. i'm not sure why this is the case. possibly because the students from local highschools who don't get into a waterloo or utsg end up all going to utsc for its proximity.

as far as the grades go, perhaps it has a lot to do with that fact as well. along with the commuting aspect, most people end up studying on their own. there are far fewer study groups, course forums. this all in turn, make studying a lot less interesting. but i don't really think it's because the courses are easier or that the students are dimmer.

the school is absolutely like an high school, has way too many students, and is lacking in facilities, lacking in activities, the commute sucks too.

but there's a positive that no one's really mentioned. because of the lack of interest in school and social activities. there's a huge opportunity to get involved if you're so inclined. someone said that school is what you make of it, that applies to utsc quite well. if you really want to get involved in leadership activities, scholarships, you have a great chance, partly due to the lack of interest.

i also have a word of caution about transferring. i do know people who's transferred to utsg and from utsg. however, make sure you realize that their curriculum are not the same. my program advisor warned me time and again against taking courses downtown that will not match & replace my core course requirements. there is a website that tells you the exact course equivalency of each and every u of t course to other universities. i don't know the url but if you dig a bit you can find it. make sure you check that site to find out which courses will translate over. don't wait and finish 2 full years at utsc and find out you only have the equivalent of first year courses at utsg.

[Nguyenmon]

I really don't know why people are talking about coop or mangement or anything like that, but w/e I just asked for opinions and you guys gave them I'm not gonna complain.

I'm planning to do Specialist in Human Bio, last time I checked that didn't have coop, only integrative bio had coop i think. So I just briefly looked over the coop posts and stuff.

Just trying to clarify with all the marking schemes and such.. and why people are saying that its a high school.

Two things stuck out to me, someone pointed out that since its a "communting school" No one sticks around for stuff like study groups. IMHO I got through grade 12 physics with one.. if there isn't going to be one like this in university.. I may be screwed .. UNLESS... No one commented on any tutorials or practicals yet..???? How are those? Particularly Tutorials, do they help? Or no? If so, then thats considered sort of like a study group, if everyone participates?

Second thing was:


i also have a word of caution about transferring. i do know people who's transferred to utsg and from utsg. however, make sure you realize that their curriculum are not the same. my program advisor warned me time and again against taking courses downtown that will not match & replace my core course requirements. there is a website that tells you the exact course equivalency of each and every u of t course to other universities. i don't know the url but if you dig a bit you can find it. make sure you check that site to find out which courses will translate over. don't wait and finish 2 full years at utsc and find out you only have the equivalent of first year courses at utsg.

I may or may not get screwed by that if I decide to transfer over, but even in my parents mind.. They already have it set that I'm staying at UTSC for the 4 years, then going on to grad school or something. Once/IFF I figure out how to transfer and IFF I meet the req's then I'll probably transfer downtown, since most of my friends are going there.. I've seen about 3 friends so far from high school going to UTSC, and I've made 2 new friends so far as well.. (got their msn's and such) thru the Get Started and Ready Set Go Events. Orientation.. I'll probably make some more friends..... then since most people are taking the same classes.. just diff lecture times.. shouldn't be hard to form study groups.. Since I have quite a few blanks in my shedule and so do they.

[alv077]

I really don't know why people are talking about coop or mangement or anything like that


Lots of talk about UTSC co-op management because it is, to my understanding, the pride and joy of the school.


Just trying to clarify with all the marking schemes and such.. and why people are saying that its a high school.


I don't think they meant that it is a high school in terms of marking schemes. The overall vibe of the school is like a high school - something to do with the cliques apparently.

Two things stuck out to me, someone pointed out that since its a "communting school" No one sticks around for stuff like study groups. IMHO I got through grade 12 physics with one.. if there isn't going to be one like this in university.. I may be screwed .. UNLESS... No one commented on any tutorials or practicals yet..???? How are those? Particularly Tutorials, do they help? Or no? If so, then thats considered sort of like a study group, if everyone participates?

I don't think UTSC has it that bad...

I thought a huge percentage of UTSC students lived close by? It wouldn't be as impractical to stay behind for a few hours as it would've been at UTSG.. right?

[acwong]

From what I heard UTSC is for those who are not good enough for St.George campus only.
Most people simply don't give any respect for grads from UTSC.

[dipple]

As far as student life goes I'm interested in seeing how this year compares to what everyone is saying. Although i keep hearing 'commuter school' everyone in res was offered 1600$ to cancel their res agreement because the residence is over capacity. I think there will be a good amount of people around all the time. Also goto the schools website and look at the massive club and sport list, there's a ton of things to get involved in. Everyone that had a ****** time always has more to say then people having a great time, so take everything with a pinch of salt.

[thephenom]

If you're going to UTSC for Life Science with grad school in mind. Work hard for ALLLLLLL 4 or 5 years because of UT's harder marking scheme and the fact they only give 4.0s to a small percentage of the students.

Remember, you are afterall competing with undergrads from York and the likes who will get higher GPA much easier than you can at UTSC. Grad school pays no attention to where you did your undergrad, just your GPA and a MCAT.

Practicals, you have to attend since that's where you do your lab experiments. Tutorial, some find it very useful since you can have some personal time with your TA, and some just skips all of them and still do fine.

[masterling88]

Hi guys,

I'm pretty new to these forums but I had to join (after getting the free appetizer from swisschalet) but also after I've heard all these discouraging comments about UofT Scarborough, as well as MESA and the Management program.

To be completely honest... I love it here. UofT Scarborough was for me, the most unlikely choice. Coming from Oakville, the likely choices would've been Queen's or Wilfred Laurier, however because of the inspiring march break event last year I chose UofT-Scarborough.

Coming here I learned that yes people are serious about academics. But how is that a bad thing? Having people that are dedicated to their studies just gives you even more motivation to try hard and do well.

Classes here are taught by really good professors. Yes you have a large class first year, but all universities do too. The cool thing is that 2nd year and onwards, the class sizes are really small! Almost all my professors actually know me on a first name basis, and they frequently have enough time to chat with me after class about anything at all.

Some people have claimed that it's easier to get into UofT Scarborough than St. George... if that were true then why is it that we constantly get some of the best students in all of Canada? With an 88% cut-off for co-op management, the majority of people in co-op management have averages in the 90s. Again this just ties in with the academics scene. People here at UofT Scarborough take academics seriously, and we have a program full of highly motivated and driven individuals. Being part of this scene is extremely exhilerating and challenging... a program I honestly wouldn't trade any other program for.

And finally... MESA. First and foremost, MESA is certainly not a clique. When I came here last September, straight from Oakville... I knew absolutely no one. I made a few friends, but I was certainly not part of any popular cliques or anything of that sort. I managed to get a MESA Associate position because I worked hard on my resume and practised for my interview.

As part of MESA, I learned a great deal about planning events. MESA really taught me how to do things effectively and efficiently, with a guiding hand from my own Executive/Mentor whenever I needed the help.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, this program is awesome because I believe it is. I came here with an open mind, and truly found out what it was like. I didn't form pre-conceived notions about biases and ppl that are out to get me. Rather I was friendly to everyone, and everyone was friendly back.

If you want a crappy university experience, it won't matter where you go, you'll get one. If you want a great one, just be open to new things, and you'll be surprised what you find.

If you have any more questions or concerns I would be more than happy to answer them, christopher dot ling at utoronto dot ca.

I look forward to meeting all of you who have decided to come here in September!


-Chris.

[thephenom]

YAY!!! MESA propaganda!!!

Sorry man, MESA just doesn't do a whole lot for management students in general. Knowing you take part of our tuition as funding fees, not to mention the office you guys have which could of been a much needed study room.

And you chose UTSC over Queens? :rolleyes:

[xmate]

I totally agree with Chris.
The university experience is up to the individual to create.
This experience comes from being active in school, meeting new people, and truly enjoying the program you are studying in.

As for MESA, they are a departmental student association just like the other DSA's on campus. All of the DSA's at UTSC have an office and a group of volunteers dedicated to providing a better representation of the program within and outside of the university and they provide a lot events throughout the year compared to other DSAs. It is a continuous improvement process, and the creation of DSAs have made the university a better place.

University means a variety of things for different people. Some people come here for the academics, meet new friends, network in order to find a good job. A co-op work term is meant for students to supplement the theory taught at school. If that is important for you, than UTSC will meet your needs and more.

[Error916]

wow...I'm going into UTSC co-op management program this coming September a, and well....after reading this topic it seems like I regret making my choice of coming to UTSC over UTSG. Who knows, I will only experience once I actaully start schooling.

BTW how important is the getting involved part of Uni for your management program.

[random256]

"Getting involved" is important no matter where you go, if you want anything more than just a degree out of school.

[RLP06]

Iyou want to get the most out of your investment in a better education, pick UTSG. Some may say its more fun or what not at UTSC, maybe so. Just my two cents. Talks to recent grads, and find out where they are working, and if its something you would like to do, then thats great. Best thing to do is to get in contact with grads, and see what they thought, and how their school helped them.

[flypretty]

Positives I've heard from my friend in 4th year management co-op:

1) the co-op staff are EXTREMELY helpful. very approchable and make sure you get the job you want

I agree that the co-op staff could not be a better bunch of individuals and that they are very approachable. However, they do not "make sure you get the job you want" because that is not in their hands. They can't help you if they've taught you all the magic tricks and techniques but you can't apply them. You're the interviewee and the job offer is based on your performance. There are no guarantees (aka "make sure") you'll get the job you want..nobody always wins. The job that you want is likely to be a job that somebody else wants, so obviously one person won't be "made sure" that they get the job they want. To PURSUE the job you want is time + effort but even still that doesn't make sure you'll get it. It's a goal, not a guarantee.

[flypretty]

the biggest and worst clique is the MESA clique. MESA is the departmental student association of the management program. It's good if your in it, bad if you're not. They have some really snobby execs-from my experience.

It's because being a DSA is "the sh.t". But anyhow, even before becoming a DSA they still acted like "the sh.t". The exterior looks great, too bad this apple's got a worm in it.

And to management coop students. a surprise to you might be that it actually doesn't say co-op on your degree. I found that interesting when I saw that missing on the degree at convocation.

I recently discovered this fact as well. Surprising at first, but sensible. When your resume is reviewed, there would be 3 work term descriptions in a row that are all 4 months in duration..isn't it obvious? OR in whatever sequence you had, it all adds up to 12 months..seems obvious to me. Anyway, when you have graduted, the education section of your resume would say you're a BBA grad from the Management Co-op program, wouldn't it? You don't apply with a degree, you apply with a resume.

[grappos13]

i know this is going to sound redundant and kind of useless for the grade 12s now since they already have chosen their school...but here is my two cents.. from soemone that is graduating from the BBA program now...

First off, whoever is in premanagement, get your marks in first year... I got into co-op straight from highschool so it didnt matter too much for me.. i can say that I didnt try exceptionally hard... an example would be if there was an economic test on a saturday.. id start maybe on the wednesday.. it gives u enuff time if u use those next 3 days just for that....Overall my GPA was pretty damn high in first year... and went down and down after that.. even tho i spent more time on school later on...

Also, a lot of the people that go to UTSC go in bunches from their highschools, so a lot of groups of friends are already there... i went there basically knowing nobody...but u can make some friends pretty easily...but its hard to keep them as friends outside of the school... like where u acutally go and do **** with them.. cuz they have their own clique... so be wary of that...

The management co-op program was/is pretty good overall. They are very nice and try to help you as much as possible..always greet you whenever you see them... I went into the accounting stream, i dunno why lol... it was pretty hard to get really high marks, so my marks suffered over the final two years....Some of the professors are good.. some are bad... you should always research that before you take a course with a certain professor...ask around, look at the anti-calendar results on the scsu website...word of mouth...you want to avoid the harder, more work profs..

If you do not have a part-time job, I suggest always taking a full course load....i had to drop some courses sometimes and ended up with a killer courseload in my summer to end off...it was not fun..although i still felt like i didnt do enough work....

I know university is suppose to be for fun and ****.. but u dont get that much of it at UTSC....although im not sure about other schools... but at UTSC you do feel kind of close to your friends when your inclass and ****.. there is always classic moments that you remember, probably more than you would at a bigger school with people living on campus...

Overall, if you want a good education, UTSC is great for its management BBA co-op program....but its true that I felt like I went to a highschool for 4 more years... I got into Laurier BBA aswell...but I chose this because I had guaranteed co-op, whereas laurier I woulda had to apply after first year....I kind of regret the decision in the sense that I did not party like I should have during university, also there is a lack of girls if you are not asian or brown...I am white and I think there is MAYBE 5 girls in my year in the accounting program that are white....soo I had to do my lady searchign outside of school....so i regret it in that sense..but i dunno if i woulda got as good a job if i went to laurier..

For education, UTSC is worth it...
For fun and social life (a key to university experience), UTSC lacks a lot of this...

Hope this helps anyone.. especially ppl going into grade 12 now..

lates

[gilboman]

and definately (saw a comment higher about this) have academics on-par if not > than st. george. + co-op.



:o UTSC most definitely do not have academics on par or greater than st.george. the student body is a grade below St.George, the material taught may be the same, but the learning is not since the studentbody is not upto par.

goodthing about this is that a C in St.George = atleast a B- in UTSC for same/similar course simply due to dimmer students around you.

but the profs are better at St.George definitely. talk to some that teach at both and you will understand why UTSC is below par in academics.

only goto UTSC if you want the co-op and dont think you can get PEY downtown, otherwise you are wasting away for nothing. It's even worse than rye high in terms of learning environment and campus and that is pretty hard to beat already.

[gilboman]

If you're going to UTSC for Life Science with grad school in mind. Work hard for ALLLLLLL 4 or 5 years because of UT's harder marking scheme and the fact they only give 4.0s to a small percentage of the students.

Remember, you are afterall competing with undergrads from York and the likes who will get higher GPA much easier than you can at UTSC. Grad school pays no attention to where you did your undergrad, just your GPA and a MCAT.

Practicals, you have to attend since that's where you do your lab experiments. Tutorial, some find it very useful since you can have some personal time with your TA, and some just skips all of them and still do fine.

goodthing is its A LOT easier to get higher grades in UTSC than St.George because huge majority of the downtown students are brighter to begin with (hence why they are at St.George and not UTSC) and a lot more competitive

its true grad schools look at GPA and MCAT, but also dont forget a lot of times you follow/meet a prof in undergrad and do grad studies with/for him/her. those reserach intensive profs who take on grad students and have a say in it are much more bountiful in downtown.

[gilboman]

Any truth to this? Far as I was told, the curiculum is the same. I went to St. George, and it is undoubtedly perceived as the more prestigious campus, I'm not exactly sure why other than for a few exclusive marquis programs (commerce, med, and eng sci - all of which are limited entry programs that a comparatively small percentage of total registrants will get into). I guess it's an excellence-by-association type thing?

I'm not arguing that St. George doesn't offer the better campus life; it's just that the academic superiority thing always struck me as curious. Does anyone actually have numbers, or are people just tooting their horns?

Where are you quoting this from?.... O.o

I always thought in my mind.. that UTSG is harder than UTSC.. because UTSG is main central.. and all that.. and they just send people like to the other campuses. A few people above seems to have stated that UTSC marks harder than UTSG? fact or fiction?

As for material.. "Shouldn't" It be the same through out all campuses.. just the different prof's teaching thats all?

materials are more or less the same if the courses are equivalent. but with both courses in both campuses requiring say a C- to C avg. but downtown has the higher caliber in terms of academic in its student body, a C in st.george is going to be harder to get than a C in UTSC.

i've talked with some profs who taught at both campuses and this is the general consenses. e.g. in undergrad was talking with eco prof who taught 300 series eco courses in both campuses, he began marking UTSC papers and didnt couldnt give out a grade higher than a B in the entire class; whereas for the downtown class, there were a lot more. same prof, same material, same assignment

[lingenfelter7]

Lot of ppl go to UTSC just for Co-op Management or other co-ops.

In 2004, I was accepted at:
-Queen's
-Schulich
-UTSG
-UTSC Co-op
-Rye

At that time, UTSC co-op actually had a higher cut-off than UTSG, regular mgmt was around the same, pre-program lower. I think the program (ie. courses and profs) are excellent and the co-op experience puts me in > than UTSG probably would have. Two positions at CIBC and currently finishing last one at Rogers, numerous contacts and above all experience. Regular Management is also the same excellent program and you can try getting into co-op, or try to get summer intern positions somewhere to aid experience.

As for social life, its crap, but only now am I learning its what you make of it, join into clubs you like (for ex. I'm a hockey player so there was a club made for UTSC hockey players including girls and 4 tiers of competive mens hockey).

Wouldn't know otherwise so I'm not going to state naively that this school is better compared to another. All I know is that I should be set to receive a full time contract in the next couple of months, for the Summer '08 recruitment for grads cycle. Yes, a FT position before I graduate.

You did not make a bad decision whatsoever, which you will soon learn in the upcoming semesters.

[thephenom]

goodthing is its A LOT easier to get higher grades in UTSC than St.George because huge majority of the downtown students are brighter to begin with (hence why they are at St.George and not UTSC) and a lot more competitive

its true grad schools look at GPA and MCAT, but also dont forget a lot of times you follow/meet a prof in undergrad and do grad studies with/for him/her. those reserach intensive profs who take on grad students and have a say in it are much more bountiful in downtown.
A lot of the times? I don't know about you, the prof/student ratio isn't exactly working in your favour. You and a few hundred other students will ALLLLLL try to follow prof and help them with their research, so it's a very slim chance for anyone to be that bright spot.

What are you basing the "brighter" on? Is this some scientific research that I've never read about, or is it one of those, "a friend of a friend said". Seriously, unless there's some concrete proof of this, it'll be just treated as another fanboy inter-school rivalry.

At the end of the day, you have to be REALLY damn good in UT to get an A average, where you don't nearly have to try as hard as other schools. If you plan to do med or pharmacy school, you have a much better odds doing your undergrad elsewhere.

[gilboman]

A lot of the times? I don't know about you, the prof/student ratio isn't exactly working in your favour. You and a few hundred other students will ALLLLLL try to follow prof and help them with their research, so it's a very slim chance for anyone to be that bright spot.

What are you basing the "brighter" on? Is this some scientific research that I've never read about, or is it one of those, "a friend of a friend said". Seriously, unless there's some concrete proof of this, it'll be just treated as another fanboy inter-school rivalry.

At the end of the day, you have to be REALLY damn good in UT to get an A average, where you don't nearly have to try as hard as other schools. If you plan to do med or pharmacy school, you have a much better odds doing your undergrad elsewhere.

well.... nobody said it'll be easy, atleast there are a lot more oppourtunities, whether you get it or not is upto you.

and basing brighter? simple and easy... the old standard way.. the entering average of the student body. there is a reason why a lot of people get accepted at UTSC but not downtown, because of mark cutoffs. and st.george is a lot more academically centered esp in its student than scarborough. that is just the way it is.

[thephenom]

well.... nobody said it'll be easy, atleast there are a lot more oppourtunities, whether you get it or not is upto you.

and basing brighter? simple and easy... the old standard way.. the entering average of the student body. there is a reason why a lot of people get accepted at UTSC but not downtown, because of mark cutoffs. and st.george is a lot more academically centered esp in its student than scarborough. that is just the way it is.
A lot more opportunities!? Just so you know, most LECTURERS at UT does not conduct research at UT, only the Professors do. And the ratio of Professors and Students are still far from giving you better odds than going to York or something.

So...... from your reasoning, UTSC Management co-op is far superior to UTSG Commerce considering they demand students with 90+% average? :twisted:

Which is also kind of funny, I got accepted to UTSG Commerce back in the days, but only got accepted to UTSC for Management Pre-Program. Sounds unbelievable, but that's how it worked out. So does that also mean, 5yrs ago, UTSC Management already surpassed UTSG Commerce? :lol:

If everything is based off your "just the way it is" theory, UTSC is already a better academic school with "brighter" students since 5 years ago, or at least for Management vs Commerce argument. Good to know. :)

[lingenfelter7]

:o UTSC most definitely do not have academics on par or greater than st.george. the student body is a grade below St.George, the material taught may be the same, but the learning is not since the studentbody is not upto par.

goodthing about this is that a C in St.George = atleast a B- in UTSC for same/similar course simply due to dimmer students around you.

but the profs are better at St.George definitely. talk to some that teach at both and you will understand why UTSC is below par in academics.

only goto UTSC if you want the co-op and dont think you can get PEY downtown, otherwise you are wasting away for nothing. It's even worse than rye high in terms of learning environment and campus and that is pretty hard to beat already.


gilboman..do i sense a bit of jealousy in the tone of your posts..did someone not get into the co-op program and have been bitter against u of t ever since?

It sure sounds like it, and since you love saying student body, i can't say about entering now or in the past couple of years, but co-op did have a "smarter" student body than commerce since the cut off was higher. So that makes co-op students smarter than downtown students? Sure, if you want to base a person on their grades alone. Who knows now, maybe UTSG is 1% higher than UTSC, whoopy! This surely doesn't give you the right to say the student body is a grade below, you lose your credibility and seem desperate.

Otherwise, not much differentiates someone who goes to downtown or utsc, some get better jobs than others, some have more experience or differences in their lives which separates us from one person to another. The difference is the experience downtown, which I won't deny is probably a much more typical university experience. At scarborough its a much more close knite group, at least the way i see it.

You seem ignorant, and this is what keeps the campus and social environment between UTSG, UTSC and UTM hostile and trying to compete against each other. I hope all those joining one U of T campus or another in the next few years will try to close this gap.

Later

[CJJ25]

Honestly, I don't see how SG can have a "better" education or "better" student body. I am a pretty smart/driven guy, and I can say that there are a lot of people who are just like me, if not smarter/more ambious at UTSC. As far as education/prof is concerned, my personal feeling is that it is NOT that important lol. What is important is your own proactivity. If you WANT to learn something, you'll learn that really well no matter what. For instance, everyone knows how to download free movies/music and other "videos" off the internet without anyone ever teaching us to do it. Heck, I think by reading some of the Amazon best sellers (business section of course) would beat a lot of the lectures. It is really up to you as an individual on what you want to get out of it.

Point is, the school you go to doesn't really matter if what you want is "success" "highpay job". cuz you can get that regardless which school you went to. It is a sad truth that UTSC sucks socially, there is pretty much no party, no crazy drunk stories. So if that is what you are after, go to Western. :D

[fenixconnexion]

hi guys im new to this forum but i've been reading through this thread because I'm giong to UTSC next year for pre-program in managemetn and i have a few questions...

1) what day is ut ST GEORGE picking their courses? beacuse i really want to do one course downtown...
2) when i went in for the open house, i asked some lady about switching into ut st george for 2nd year, and she said that they wouldn't take any students from utsc in the pre-program management... is there any truth to that?
3) can somebody PLEASE show me the link to see what courses i need to take for first year UTSG to switch over to other unis for 2nd year?

thanks

[ameko]

it's UT...so i guess it's good

[Defiant]

Its much harder to get the same grade at UTSG than UTSC/UTM (at least for arts). Its a combination of more competition and tougher marking. UTSG works best for deep learners who are actually there to take something away from university besides the piece of paper. If you can get an A there, that says it all. Life will be much easier for you going into a graduate or professional program. You're competing with the best of the best and are being taught by some of the best profs in Canada. You just aren’t going to get that same level of quality at the satellite campuses. It’s simply not as tough academically, despite the course names being identical (content differs with every prof).

No offence to you UTSC'ers and UTM'ers, but to say your grades would be equivalent downtown, for the most part, is erroneous.

[thephenom]

Its much harder to get the same grade at UTSG than UTSC/UTM (at least for arts). Its a combination of more competition and tougher marking. UTSG works best for deep learners who are actually there to take something away from university besides the piece of paper. If you can get an A there, that says it all. Life will be much easier for you going into a graduate or professional program. You're competing with the best of the best and are being taught by some of the best profs in Canada. You just aren’t going to get that same level of quality at the satellite campuses. It’s simply not as tough academically, despite the course names being identical (content differs with every prof).

No offence to you UTSC'ers and UTM'ers, but to say your grades would be equivalent downtown, for the most part, is erroneous.
LOL, another UTSG fanboy.

For some program, that might be true, but not all the programs are harder at UTSG. ;) I've taken courses at UTSC that has the same prof as UTSG, the tests/exams are identical when I compared with my friend at UTSG who was taking the same course. Curriculums are equal between the 3 campuses. And depending what program you're referring to, competitiveness at UTSC and UTM can be greater than UTSG.

As much as UT is a prestigious name, it's no longer belongs to the best of the best. Business programs has been overtaken by multiple schools, Engineering is at best #2, same with Computer Science.....now Life Science they might still be on top, but an undergrad doesn't mean jack in that field.

Oh yeah, guess what....at the end, all the campus gets the same school title on the sheet of "paper".

[akademiks]

People can believe what they want, but UTSG isn't harder than UTSC. It's more competitive, yes; but not harder.
The fact of the matter is that most prof's use testbanks for multiple choice and essay type questions that are provided by the textbook publisher. UTSC and UTSG have the same academic standards that are placed on the professors (where the class average shouldn't be over ~70%).

And as for the question (which is a year old), UTSC sucks.

[flexwong]

UTSC does not "suck". yes the course selection is not as great as downtown but the quality of the education is just as good. being a history major, im happy i chose UTSC b/c of the fact that we have some of the top canadian historians teaching at our school.

[Defiant]

Im not a "fanboy." I base my opinion on the fact that I work part time as a tutor employed by the university. I have worked with many students from all three campuses (but more UTSC/UTSG). I have met many profs who have taught at both campuses and have specifically discussed the differences between the satellites to better "harmonize" them.

Sure, the "paper" may have the same name on it, but my comment is, nonetheless, accurate. Exceptions apply for co-op placements and so on, but my scope was meant in a broader sense.

LOL, another UTSG fanboy....

[wqzmbshz]

Only if you got into COOP. UTSC is only good for coop, otherwise its academics is a total joke. You dont know how easy utsc is. I have taken a course with A students from UTSC and they ended up with Cs although they studied with full effort. Thats the difference between utsc and utsg.

[wqzmbshz]

Its much harder to get the same grade at UTSG than UTSC/UTM (at least for arts). Its a combination of more competition and tougher marking. UTSG works best for deep learners who are actually there to take something away from university besides the piece of paper. If you can get an A there, that says it all. Life will be much easier for you going into a graduate or professional program. You're competing with the best of the best and are being taught by some of the best profs in Canada. You just aren’t going to get that same level of quality at the satellite campuses. It’s simply not as tough academically, despite the course names being identical (content differs with every prof).

No offence to you UTSC'ers and UTM'ers, but to say your grades would be equivalent downtown, for the most part, is erroneous.


I have taken a chem course with few A students from ustc. they worked their ass off and still ended up with Cs. well, i dont know about scocial sci or humanities courses but for science courses difficulty at utsc is out of comparision with SG for sure.

[betheone2]

To be honest, I don't feel like am I at a disadvantage when i graduate with my BBA vs someone at UTSG who got a Bcomm. After graduation, the paper won't account for my total future; the management specialist program will have prepared people adequately enough for CGA, CMA, CA etc...

But back to utsc; good or bad

I would say its a get in get out situation for me. Like someone already mentioned, poor facilities, no pool, poor gym, poor extra curriculars, and much like high school with cliques, and not to mention lack of study area...

as for whether utsc is good/bad, I dont think anyone should really care for that matter, look out for yourself and no one else. if you believe your current school, let it be utsc or utsg will get you where you want to be, then theres your answer.











































































































































































































But for all the new n00bs thinking of comming to utsc, its BAD:lol: :lol: :lol:

[thephenom]

Im not a "fanboy." I base my opinion on the fact that I work part time as a tutor employed by the university. I have worked with many students from all three campuses (but more UTSC/UTSG). I have met many profs who have taught at both campuses and have specifically discussed the differences between the satellites to better "harmonize" them.

Sure, the "paper" may have the same name on it, but my comment is, nonetheless, accurate. Exceptions apply for co-op placements and so on, but my scope was meant in a broader sense.

So you're generalizing a whole school's academic performance/outline based on the area you tutor at? As a tutor, I'm pretty sure you don't tutor every single major/minor/specialist at U of T, nor do I think you have talk to professors of all faculties to be judging every program in the first place. At most you can conclude at is when you tutor for Program X, it was easier at UTSC than UTSG, but Program Y is tougher at UTSC vs UTSG. :rolleyes:

[thephenom]

People can believe what they want, but UTSG isn't harder than UTSC. It's more competitive, yes; but not harder.
The fact of the matter is that most prof's use testbanks for multiple choice and essay type questions that are provided by the textbook publisher. UTSC and UTSG have the same academic standards that are placed on the professors (where the class average shouldn't be over ~70%).

And as for the question (which is a year old), UTSC sucks.

But for all the new n00bs thinking of comming to utsc, its BAD:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep, academic wise, UTSC is good, but everything else blows at that school. Except for the relatively cheap parking. lol

[at1212b]

I think its easier to get the average mark downtown, but harder to be above in a significant way.

Downtown Sciences is top notch, but I think UTSC business is on par or better. As for general arts, not too sure. Remember, because a school has more people, also means there are more idiots/ppl dropping out to help with the class bell curve.

Either way, if you want to develop your social skills and have a lot of fun, niether is probably the best choice (esp UTSC).

[flexwong]

I think its easier to get the average mark downtown, but harder to be above in a significant way.

Downtown Sciences is top notch, but I think UTSC business is on par or better. As for general arts, not too sure. Remember, because a school has more people, also means there are more idiots/ppl dropping out to help with the class bell curve.

Either way, if you want to develop your social skills and have a lot of fun, niether is probably the best choice (esp UTSC).

i don't know where this idea comes from. there are MANY opportunities to meet lots of people and have a lot of fun at UTSC. many people choose not to participate in any campus life or activities then go around telling everyone that the campus has no social life. that is a complete lie.

[alv077]

i don't know where this idea comes from. there are MANY opportunities to meet lots of people and have a lot of fun at UTSC. many people choose not to participate in any campus life or activities then go around telling everyone that the campus has no social life. that is a complete lie.

From what I have seen, most of the people I know that went to highschool with in UTSC has stuck with their HS group and added one or two new people at most.

[flexwong]

From what I have seen, most of the people I know that went to highschool with in UTSC has stuck with their HS group and added one or two new people at most.

maybe b/c it is actually possible to be in the same classes with people you know at utsc? most people i know who go to utsg have the same problem, they go to class, meet someone new and never see them again all year. like i stated, it depends on how much effort you put forth to meeting new people. if you put none at all and just hang out with your high school friends, you won't meet anyone new no matter which university you attend.

[at1212b]

i don't know where this idea comes from. there are MANY opportunities to meet lots of people and have a lot of fun at UTSC. many people choose not to participate in any campus life or activities then go around telling everyone that the campus has no social life. that is a complete lie.

Sure, there are opportunities, as ultimately it is what you make it and certain individual experiences may differ, but compared to other Universities, it is just my opinion that it lacks it for many reasons.

As a Professor/Instructor I once had from California said "This is a parking lot campus". Majority of the students here are just concerned with coming to school, parking their cars, attending classes, then leaving (which I agree with). Now it may have changed a bit since I was there in 2003 but likely not too much.

Basically he was observing the lack of school spirit/pride and unity, especially compared to other schools he has taught, and how everybody here seems to be in a rush with their own schedule compared to other University campuses. UT in general I find is also not very progressive, though they have been trying a bit lately. Even their business program is just way too textbook and 'old school'.

A good friend of mine who also graduated from UTSG was involved in various job fairs for her employer (One of the Gov't Pension funds), including UTSG, and also specifically said that she noticed there is more energy at the other campuses, with Students that were more polished and forthcoming/confident.

Another prime example of a Social thread that binds many University schools, groups, spirit is the lack of a major sports team (esp at UTSC). This tends to filter to down to individual students (think of the Friday night/Sat games) and propensity to further engage in social activities and gatherings.

UTSG may be large, but it is just too scattered around U of T. In essence you're sharing your campus with 3 m other people and do not know who is how which futher contributes to a propensity of isolation. When you're at a York Pub (or any other large schools with similar layouts), you know its York Students only, and therefore easier for groups to organize social events whether its formal/informal. UTSC, not even worth mentioning.

You have to also look at the student body. Sure diversity is good, but it also tends to encourage groups to stick together, and join groups that are more or less along their lines.

That's just some things I've observed and talked about with other people that went there. So do not take it as 'truth'. The highschool clique thing is also very true (so the highschool, exclusive culture is carried over more so and has a larger proportionate impact then it would at another larger campus).

[Defiant]

Oh great, another UTSG fanboy .... What is this tread coming to? :lol:

[desi_eng]

Welcome to UTSC --- should read --- Welcome to the Ghetto :lol:

[thephenom]

Welcome to UTSC --- should read --- Welcome to the Ghetto :lol:

LOL yeah.

I still remember the email Tom Nowers sends out to warn students for the last few years.
1. A big van going around asking a few girls to model for them (ie Bangbus style) :D
2. A student getting mugged just off student residence
3. A student got punched in the face when another guy tried to steal his pizza
4. Shady man in a minivan asking for directions from UTSC girls late at night

I couldn't stop laughing after reading those emails.

[alv077]

LOL yeah.

I still remember the email Tom Nowers sends out to warn students for the last few years.
1. A big van going around asking a few girls to model for them (ie Bangbus style) :D
2. A student getting mugged just off student residence
3. A student got punched in the face when another guy tried to steal his pizza
4. Shady man in a minivan asking for directions from UTSC girls late at night

I couldn't stop laughing after reading those emails.

I'm afraid that is the UW party van - see, we come out to Toronto to look for women... though our primary destination was YorkU.

[betheone2]

I'm afraid that is the UW party van - see, we come out to Toronto to look for women... though our primary destination was YorkU.

got to utsc and found monsters

[cofh]

I am hearing a lot of crap and the occasional accurate answer. The truth of the matter is that it depends on what you are expecting.

Academics-wise I think it's a wash. Either campus will give you what you need assuming you put the work in.

Facilities-wise, no doubt, UTSG beats it out, but it's apples to oranges to some extent, since UTSG is much bigger and downtown while UTSC is in the burbs.

Now where I see the major advantage of UTSC is in class sizes. The lectures for the most part are in smaller classrooms, so you actually can get to know most of the people in your class and your profs may actually know who you are, and, if you make the effort to get to know them, they are more likely to give you a break or be sympathetic if you get bogged down and are late with a paper. The odds of this happening downtown are almost nil with the huge class sizes.

UTSC's townhouses are way better than a lot of the campus housing downtown, but you don't have the advantage of location (unless you count the parkland and the valley an advantage).

And yes, I went to UTSC. I didn't love everything about it and I am definitely not a fanboy, but you should know the good and bad about both places.

Wherever you go, make the most of it!:lol:

[geronimo]

maybe b/c it is actually possible to be in the same classes with people you know at utsc? most people i know who go to utsg have the same problem, they go to class, meet someone new and never see them again all year. like i stated, it depends on how much effort you put forth to meeting new people. if you put none at all and just hang out with your high school friends, you won't meet anyone new no matter which university you attend. I agree, I think that's what the real problem is, and it's not exclusive to UTSC.

[Bourney]

but the profs are better at St.George definitely. talk to some that teach at both and you will understand why UTSC is below par in academics.


You don't even need to talk to profs who teach at both... half of the profs I've had at UTSG came STRAIGHT from the REAL Ivy League. You can even look up some of their profiles online. I doubt you'll find any Ivy League professors at UTSC... and definitely not in UTSC management.

[Bourney]

Oh yeah, guess what....at the end, all the campus gets the same school title on the sheet of "paper".

Sure, they'll all get the same sheet of paper. But a job interviewer can simply ask you where you did your degree. And if you lie, and say you were registered with a college in UTSG when in fact you were at UTSC. They can simply drop you off the consideration list.

And if you really want to be perceived as a UTSG student, all you have to do is put down the college of registration on your resume. Just put it right after the big fat "University of Toronto"

[Bourney]

UTSC does not "suck". yes the course selection is not as great as downtown but the quality of the education is just as good. being a history major, im happy i chose UTSC b/c of the fact that we have some of the top canadian historians teaching at our school.

LOL, I wasn't even a history major, all I took was one history course on ancient and modern China. The guy who taught it once lectured at Harvard and had a degree from Beijing U.

[CSR]

You don't even need to talk to profs who teach at both... half of the profs I've had at UTSG came STRAIGHT from the REAL Ivy League. You can even look up some of their profiles online. I doubt you'll find any Ivy League professors at UTSC... and definitely not in UTSC management.

That's a crock of SH!!t, please don't talk out of your @ss.

Faculty List
I. Averbakh, M.Sc., Ph.D. (Moscow Institute of Physics & Technology), Professor
S. Borins, B.A. (Harvard), M.P.P. (Kennedy School of Gov't.), Ph.D. (Harvard), Professor
A. Saks, B.A., (Western), M.A.Sc. (Waterloo), Ph.D. (Toronto), Professor
A. Stark, B.A. (U.B.C.), M.Sc. (London), M.A., Ph.D. (Harvard), Professor
J. Wei, B.Sc. (Harbin Inst. (China)), M.B.A. (York, Canada), Ph.D. (Toronto), Professor
P. Aggarwal, B.A., M.B.A. (India), M.B.A., Ph.D. (Chicago), Associate Professor
M. Campolieti, B.Sc., M.A., Ph.D. (Toronto), Associate Professor
D. Zweig, B.A., M.A.Sc., Ph.D. (Waterloo), Associate Professor
E. Eiling, M. Sc. Ph.D. (Tilburg University), Assistant Professor
K. Kim, B.A., M.B.A. (Korea), Ph.D. (Minnesota), Assistant Professor
J. McCarthy, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. (Western), Assistant Professor
S. D. Montes, B.A. (Laurentian), M.A. (Wilfrid Laurier), Ph.D. (Waterloo), Assistant Professor
K. Scott, B.A. (Calgary), M.A., Ph.D. (Waterloo), Assistant Professor
J. Trougakos, B.S., M.B.A (Oklahoma State), Ph.D. (Purdue), Assistant Professor
S. Ahmed, B.Com., M.A. (Sind), M.B.A. (Concordia), Senior Lecturer
C. Bovaird, B.A. (Queen's), M.Sc. (Stirling), M.B.A. (Western), Senior Lecturer
S. Daga, B.A. (Waterloo), M. Ed. (Toronto), C.A. (CICA) C. P. A., Senior Lecturer
A. Stawinoga, B.A. (Toronto), M.B.A. (York, Canada), C.M.A., Senior Lecturer
D. Chau, B.Com. (Toronto), M.B.A. (McMaster), Ph.D. (HKUST), Lecturer
L. H. Chen, M.S.Ed. (U Penn), M.B.A., Ph.D. (U Toronto), CGA, Lecturer
J. Heathcote, B.A., M.A. Ph.D. (Western) , Lecturer
H. Laurence, B.A. (Amherst), M.A., Ph.D. (McGill), LLB (Osgoode), Lecturer
V. Quan, B.A.Sc., M.A.Sc., Ph.D (Toronto), Lecturer
G. Quan Fun, C.A., C.M.A., C.G.A., M.B.A. (Laurentian), B.A. (Toronto), Lecturer
P. Radhakrishnan, B.A. (Windsor), M.A., Ph.D.(Illinois), Lecturer
http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~registrar/calendars/calendar/Management.html

M. Krashinsky, S.B. (M.I.T.), M.Phil., Ph.D. (Yale), Professor
M. Campolieti, B.Sc., M.A., Ph.D. (Toronto), Associate Professor
W. Hejazi, B.A. (Western Ontario), M.A., Ph.D. (Toronto), Associate Professor
H. Krashinsky, B.A. (Queen's), M.A., Ph.D. (Princeton), Associate Professor
I.C. Parker, B.A. (Manitoba), M.A. (Toronto), Ph.D. (Yale), Associate Professor
E. Dhuey, B.A.(Colorado), M.A. Ph.D. (California), Assistant Professor
A. M. Franco, B.A. (California) M.A.,Ph.D (Rochester), Assistant Professor
G. Frazer, B.Math (Waterloo), B.Ed. (Western), M.A. (Toronto), M.Phil., Ph.D. (Yale), Assistant Professor
I.M.S. Au, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. (Simon Fraser), Senior Lecturer
G. H. Cleveland, B.A. (Dalhousie), M.A., Ph.D. (Toronto), Senior Lecturer
J. Parkinson, Hon B.A. (Western), M.A., Ph.D. (Toronto), Senior Lecturer
M.A. Sillamaa, B.Sc., M.A.Sc., M.A., M.B.A. (Toronto), Ph.D. (McMaster), Lecturer

http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~registrar/calendars/calendar/Economics_For_Management_Studies.html

[CSR]

And speaking of History:

J.S. Moir, M.A., Ph.D. (Toronto), D.D. (Presb. College, Montreal), Professor Emeritus
I.R. Robertson, M.A. (McGill), Ph.D. (Toronto), Professor Emeritus
E.W. Dowler, A.M., (Harvard), Ph.D. (London School of Economics), Professor
M. Eksteins, B.A. (Toronto), B.Phil., D.Phil. (Oxon.), Professor
M. Gervers, A.B. (Princeton), M.A. (Poitiers), Ph.D. (Toronto), Professor
F. Iacovetta, M.A., Ph.D. (York, Canada), Professor
S.J. Rockel, M.A., Ph.D. (Toronto), Associate Professor
D.E. Bender, M.A., Ph.D. (New York), Assistant Professor
K. Blouin, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. (Laval and Nice), Assistant Professor
L. Chen, B.A.(Beijing Foreign Studies Univ.); M.A.(SUNY Buffalo); J.D.(Illinois); M.A., M.Ph., Ph.D.(Columbia), Assistant Professor
R.A. Kazal, M.A., Ph.D. (Pennsylvania), Assistant Professor
C.J. Pennington, B.A. (York, Canada), Ph.D. (Toronto), Assistant Professor
E.N. Rothman, M.A. (Tel Aviv), Ph.D. (Michigan), Assistant Professor
J. Sharma, B.A. (Lady Shri Ram), M.A. (Hindu), M.Phil. (Delhi), Ph.D. (Cambridge), Assistant Professor
C. Berkowitz, Lecturer

http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~registrar/calendars/calendar/History.html

[flexwong]

And speaking of History:



http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~registrar/calendars/calendar/History.html

lol, and you didn't even highlight prof. eksteins, rhodes scholar, easily recognized as one of the top historians in canada AND he got his degree from oxford (oxon.).

You don't even need to talk to profs who teach at both... half of the profs I've had at UTSG came STRAIGHT from the REAL Ivy League. You can even look up some of their profiles online. I doubt you'll find any Ivy League professors at UTSC... and definitely not in UTSC management.

take a look at what CSR had and you'll realize that you're being delusional.

[CSR]

lol, and you didn't even highlight prof. eksteins, rhodes scholar, easily recognized as one of the top historians in canada AND he got his degree from oxford (oxon.).



take a look at what CSR had and you'll realize that you're being delusional.

Thanks! Prof Eksteins is a sensational prof.

I didn't know if Oxon meant Oxford. I just had him for HISB91 (European History) and he was amazing, easily one of the best profs I've ever had!

[RussiaRulez]

Sure, they'll all get the same sheet of paper. But a job interviewer can simply ask you where you did your degree. And if you lie, and say you were registered with a college in UTSG when in fact you were at UTSC. They can simply drop you off the consideration list.

And if you really want to be perceived as a UTSG student, all you have to do is put down the college of registration on your resume. Just put it right after the big fat "University of Toronto"

Why would the interviewer care which college you attended?

I would expect job experience and CGPA would matter a great deal more.

[206bw]

I personally think Bourney is either trolling, or seriously misinformed

[Bourney]

Well, according to the internet tubes...



http://forums.studentawards.com/ViewThread.asp?Ttoken=&SiteID=0&ForumID=63&MessageID=51939

Yeah, that seems pretty accurate. Also, the commute time to UTSC versus UTSG is roughly equivalent (at least for me it is). If I were going to UTSC, I'd have to wait 20 minutes for an unreliable TTC bus (they use those old General Motor buses). Then at least another 20 minutes to get to the borders of Scarberia where UTSC is located.

Also, the UTSC management program is seriously overrated. I looked at their math tests and all I'm going to say is that I'd give my right arm to write one. By comparison the easiest math course at UTSG is Mat135. Mat133 is purposely challenging even though it has the lower number. Ask any UTSC management student how to calculate a Leontiff input-output matrix, or how to find the saddle point in a 3-dimensional graph and they'll go....... DARRRR..... HUH?

And for the record, only a handful of co-op jobs listed on their site are decent. I know of people who got jobs at Ontario 123456789 Limited, doing God knows what.

Oh, and for the record, Americans don't view the satellite campuses of U of T as up to U of T standards. Just take a look at this:

http://www.doostang.com/signups/open_networks/2596

Notice that you can't register with an xxx@utsc.utoronto.ca or an xxx@utm.utoronto.ca

Only 4 Canadian schools are on the list, they're UWaterloo (which was only added recently apparently), McGill, UBC and UT

Notice that, that doesn't include Queens or UWO..

[Bourney]

That's a crock of SH!!t, please don't talk out of your @ss.

S. Borins, B.A. (Harvard), M.P.P. (Kennedy School of Gov't.), Ph.D. (Harvard), Professor



Let's examine these ones more carefully. First off, KSG (Kennedy) isn't a real school (note that half the articles they publish come from illiterate professors, I know, I've read one of them). Harvard isn't known for it's doctoral programs (speaking from hearsay, most of the Harvard and Yale Ph. D.s don't know *****), and fyi the Ivy League built their reputation from graduate programs, followed by undergrad, respectively.

Granted, his Harvard B.A. is exceptionally esteemed as well as M. Krashinsky, S.B. (M.I.T.). The 2nd Harvard guy you can virtually discount, since all he has is a Ph. D. from H.; although his M.A. might be worth something.

You guys have 2 profs. from Purdue & Amherst (both good schools)
You missed one from UPenn (which is an Ivy Leaguer):
L. H. Chen, M.S.Ed. (U Penn), M.B.A., Ph.D. (U Toronto), CGA, Lecturer

But lol, goes to show how educated this guy is (a UTSCer I believe).

But hey, just look at the credentials of some of the economic professors at UTSG:
James E. Pesando; B.A. Harvard (Economics), M.A. UC Berkeley (Easily the best graduate school in the world), Ph. D. (UT)... and he exclusively teaches UT B.Comm students.

And if you look at the faculty for economics at UTSG: You'll note that over half do come from the Ivy League (unfortunately, they don't list the grad/undergrad degrees, which matter more).
http://www.economics.utoronto.ca/index.php/index/person/faculty

So, all in all, I'd say you guys have about 5-6 good professors (restricted to co-op management). Not exactly the "half" I was referring to.

L. Chen, B.A.(Beijing Foreign Studies Univ.); HOLY COW, my dad went there, he also went to Dalhousie Law (which was founded by Harvard Law students... oh my Obama Mama).

Again, let me reiterate my point; Ivy League doctoral degrees aren't worth much. If you need evidence as to the extent of reputable degrees in undergrad, grad, and doctoral levels, there are more than enough resources on your campus which you can consult.



So tell me something. Was I talking out of my @ss?

[Bourney]

lol, and you didn't even highlight prof. eksteins, rhodes scholar, easily recognized as one of the top historians in canada AND he got his degree from oxford (oxon.).



take a look at what CSR had and you'll realize that you're being delusional.

I doubt I was delusional, and for the record, your sentence is unnecessarily verbose. You should have said "you'll realize that you're delusional"

[Bourney]

Why would the interviewer care which college you attended?

I would expect job experience and CGPA would matter a great deal more.

The interviewer would probably care because they'd know that UTSC/UTM have weaker academics & that their marks are inflated.

I'm not referring to subdivisions known as colleges; I meant campus. From what I remember, UTSC doesn't have any colleges of registration.
& yes, the latter 2 do matter much more. But keep in mind of the grading policy at UTSC (which skews the actual results).

[Bourney]

I personally think Bourney is either trolling, or seriously misinformed

I think CSR suffers from denial.
So essentially, if you can't register on this site, well then you suck.

http://www.doostang.com/signups/open_networks/2596

Again, note that they're extremely stringent on registration. They exclude subdomains so unfortunately, no UTSC.utoronto.ca and no UTM.utoronto.ca

Yes, I realize I'm making this point again, but I just wanted to hammer it in.

[Bourney]

And speaking of History:

L. Chen, B.A.(Beijing Foreign Studies Univ.); M.A.(SUNY Buffalo); J.D.(Illinois); M.A., M.Ph., Ph.D.(Columbia), Assistant Professor

http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~registrar/calendars/calendar/History.html

CSR, do you even know your Ivy League? Or do you only respond to.... "HARVARD"? LOL. You forgot to highlight this one.

The Ivy League (as a point of reference) consists of Dartmouth, Brown (which you also forgot to highlight), Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Cornell, Columbia & UPenn. I think I got all 8. They also unofficially include the "Harvards of the South": Duke and Vanderbilt.

[DGTD]

the commute time is horrible.......

and the campus blows

[Sammmy]

Bourney, you are making a lot of outrageous claims here.

everyone from uoft, regardless of campuses, have a @utoronto.ca email/UTORid

I've only skimmed through some of your posts and I'm just going to agree with the person above regarding you being rather.. misinformed...

Are you a freshmen still with those marketing hype/pride?

[grappos13]

the commute time is horrible.......

and the campus blows

depends where u r for the commute time..

im in markham, so it took me 20 min each way, even during traffic time.. so that was good...

but yes, the campus blows big chunks... i wish i went to laurier instead and got my BBA... woulda cost me the same total money and laurier woulda included living away in the price... as UTSC BBA is overpriced compared to laurier... if i could go back to OAC 2003 now and redo it, id be at laurier 100%

[Bourney]

Bourney, you are making a lot of outrageous claims here.

everyone from uoft, regardless of campuses, have a @utoronto.ca email/UTORid

I've only skimmed through some of your posts and I'm just going to agree with the person above regarding you being rather.. misinformed...

Are you a freshmen still with those marketing hype/pride?

Are you sure about @utoronto.ca at UTSC? I believe they all use @utsc.utoronto.ca; find someone from UTSC and ask what their e-mail address is.
Misinformed? Are you sure? Why is it that the entrance averages to UTSG are 5% higher for the artsci faculty compared to UTSC and UTM
& no.

"I've only skimmed through some of your posts". So you haven't read them, but you read the other guys, wow geez, no wonder the other guy wins.

Also, your first sentence should read: "regardless of campus"

What marketing (technically advertising is more apt) are you talking about? I sit for 50 minutes on the subway and I have yet to come across a UT advertisement... but I see plenty of advertising for inferior institutions like Lakehead, or YORKU (redefining the impossible), or even Ryerson (but to be fair, Ryerson is a newbie).

[Bourney]

depends where u r for the commute time..

im in markham, so it took me 20 min each way, even during traffic time.. so that was good...

but yes, the campus blows big chunks... i wish i went to laurier instead and got my BBA... woulda cost me the same total money and laurier woulda included living away in the price... as UTSC BBA is overpriced compared to laurier... if i could go back to OAC 2003 now and redo it, id be at laurier 100%

I know what you mean about co-op fees. I knew a guy who graduated from the program and he was lucky to be able to keep everything that he earned (because his mom worked at UT so nearly 100% of his tuition free minus the ancillary fees). In fact, he had to save up 3 years worth of co-op earnings to be able to afford a Lexus (which he paid for in pure cash amazingly).

[Bourney]

My actual personal experience with a UTSC prof. for the course "U.S. Government"

Slow lecturer, would come in with 50 powerpoint slides and get to about slide 30 before class time was up. (Wasn't just a one-time affair, he did this for almost half a year and admitted that his class was half a year behind.)

[adehbone]

You spend alot of time doing research or reaching for anything to say UTSG is above all #1!

I mean your sole point about doostang having 4 schools on its email list, and not UWO or Queen's speaks for itself.

[Bourney]

You spend alot of time doing research or reaching for anything to say UTSG is above all #1!

I mean your sole point about doostang having 4 schools on its email list, and not UWO or Queen's speaks for itself.

"You spend alot of time doing research or reaching for anything to say UTSG is above all #1! " Problem with your sentence, read it and you'll know

Umm, fyi, I knew all this beforehand. Also, doostang used to be invite only i.e. you couldn't sign up if you wanted to do so, from any school. Also, how does my Doostang point speak anything?

I realize you have nothing left to say about this so you're resorting to other premises. I only wanted to prove one thing, you can't spell SUCk without UTSC.

[at1212b]

Are you sure about @utoronto.ca at UTSC? I believe they all use @utsc.utoronto.ca; find someone from UTSC and ask what their e-mail address is.
Misinformed? Are you sure? Why is it that the entrance averages to UTSG are 5% higher for the artsci faculty compared to UTSC and UTM
& no.

"I've only skimmed through some of your posts". So you haven't read them, but you read the other guys, wow geez, no wonder the other guy wins.

Also, your first sentence should read: "regardless of campus"

What marketing (technically advertising is more apt) are you talking about? I sit for 50 minutes on the subway and I have yet to come across a UT advertisement... but I see plenty of advertising for inferior institutions like Lakehead, or YORKU (redefining the impossible), or even Ryerson (but to be fair, Ryerson is a newbie).

Nope, I went to UTSC and also have a @utoronto.ca address.

Its not automatic that you get one, but just have to basically sign up for one.

This is my take, as I've said before, UTSC (particularly business) is overrated given how they try to say how special they are, and of course, attaching a different city name with U Toronto is more 'ghetto'. But job wise, it'll still hold for your average white collar jobs, and regardless, a graduation with high distinction is graduation with high distinction on the transcript with U of T.

Other areas, not quite as sure, but the overall enviornment lacks that true academic and research feel.

Developing social skills, activities, presentations, becoming more polished in the business program, is extremely lacking compared to other business programs, where you learn to think more strategically, present and look at situations in case form.

On the economics front, the Management dept literally took over and booted the economics program out. I was there when they switched it to 'Economics FOR Management studies', and Borins, the head at the time (seems to wield considerable power at UTSC, even though he is no longer the chair, esp given his salary, the highest in Management and course load for teaching) specifically said 'Well, when times change, as some in the Economics dept do not seem to agree with, you have to show them the door', as a pure economics program, UTSC is not the place to be.

I've had some courses at St. George, and maybe its due to the size, but getting B+ and A- were easiest I had with a lot more students with 'dumb' questions vs courses in UTSC. Now, these were second level intro type courses, but at that level, as my friend and I observed, its alot easier to be in the average, or just above it, given the larger amount of less 'smart' people in a given larger classroom, but could see it being more difficult ranking on the highest end due to the amount of 'smart' people.

Another thing to consider, is alot of the UTSC folks come from the suburbs outside of Toronto. Look at the average income from richmond hill, Markham, etc, and its higher outside of toronto (except for a few pockets). We all know higher household income = higher grades. I'm not saying that is 100% relevant but must be considered. Alot of of my UTSC classmates, seemed to not have to work (vs alot of downtown friends and social groups that seemed to work part-time jobs somewhere) and as much as 'worthless' as alot of those co-op jobs at UTSC Management were, having a well known company name, and being in a office enviornment puts a graduate light years ahead in the beginning.

But at the end of the day, especially sciences, if you're serious about a more academic future and career (or professional related ie. Pharmacist), PhDs, Masters,then downtown should be the more obvious choice.

But if you’re just the average cluless undergrad, that doesn’t specifically have those grand ambitions, it does not put one at a disadvantage. A advantage in a small environment is the ability to get closer to your classmates, which is also KEY in landing future jobs. The networking is made that much easier, and that will in most cases, overcome any marginal academic differences.

[Sammmy]

well you don't exactly sign up for a UTORid, you have to activate it during the academic orientation (not the frosh one where you run around naked and do crazy things)

[Bourney]

Nope, I went to UTSC and also have a @utoronto.ca address.

Its not automatic that you get one, but just have to basically sign up for one.

I've had some courses at St. George, and maybe its due to the size, but getting B+ and A- were easiest I had with a lot more students with 'dumb' questions vs courses in UTSC. Now, these were second level intro type courses, but at that level, as my friend and I observed, its alot easier to be in the average, or just above it, given the larger amount of less 'smart' people in a given larger classroom, but could see it being more difficult ranking on the highest end due to the amount of 'smart' people.


My mistake then regarding the email addresses. Also, which specific courses were these?

[at1212b]

well you don't exactly sign up for a UTORid, you have to activate it during the academic orientation (not the frosh one where you run around naked and do crazy things)

When I was there, it had @scar.utoronto.ca as our official school email, but you could still get the utoronto.ca one, which required a bit more 'digging'and which I still have.

My mistake then regarding the email addresses. Also, which specific courses were these?

It was a sociology course (Family), a astronomy course (I initially signed up for one in the session at UTSC, had no clue what the instructor was talking about - also seemed boring so dropped it). Went to the class at downtown during the summer, and the course/cirriculum seemed alot more straight forward and instructor was easier to follow. It was funny, a guy in there asked about 'God' and how he fit in during the formation of a star and galaxy, etc. A East Asian History course. Obviously those aren't the hardest courses, and my experience (as well as my friends) is limited, but given my wider range of courses taken at UTSC, I have had elective courses that were actually pretty challenging, and would conclude that I have a hard time believing that downtown courses on the average and whole can consistently rank that much higher. Again, overall comparable.

Too bad we were restricted in taking each other's business courses as that would have been interesting and would have allowed a more in depth comparison. Also, just add, many of UTSC's MGT instructors/Profs also taught downtown classes and at Rotmans.

Actually, I remember I had one prof. Hejazi who taught both, and some of the guys in there always bugging him about the differences. I wish I remember what his responses were, but it was definitely not something one being better then the other. But what I do specifically remember his response if he taught the same course (financial economics) at Rotmans MBA, he would get fired due to the more in-depth nature of the course as the MBA focuses more on quantity then quality.

[Bourney]

When I was there, it had @scar.utoronto.ca as our official school email, but you could still get the utoronto.ca one, which required a bit more 'digging'and which I still have.



It was a sociology course (Family), a astronomy course (I initially signed up for one in the session at UTSC, had no clue what the instructor was talking about - also seemed boring so dropped it). Went to the class at downtown during the summer, and the course/cirriculum seemed alot more straight forward and instructor was easier to follow. It was funny, a guy in there asked about 'God' and how he fit in during the formation of a star and galaxy, etc. A East Asian History course. Obviously those aren't the hardest courses, and my experience (as well as my friends) is limited, but given my wider range of courses taken at UTSC, I have had elective courses that were actually pretty challenging, and would conclude that I have a hard time believing that downtown courses on the average and whole can consistently rank that much higher. Again, overall comparable.

Too bad we were restricted in taking each other's business courses as that would have been interesting and would have allowed a more in depth comparison. Also, just add, many of UTSC's MGT instructors/Profs also taught downtown classes and at Rotmans.

Actually, I remember I had one prof. Hejazi who taught both, and some of the guys in there always bugging him about the differences. I wish I remember what his responses were, but it was definitely not something one being better then the other. But what I do specifically remember his response if he taught the same course (financial economics) at Rotmans MBA, he would get fired due to the more in-depth nature of the course as the MBA focuses more on quantity then quality.

Most people at UT (any campus) give out the "ewww reaction" when it comes to UT business (since we're ranked 20-30th globally). Which is why I'm now in liberal arts (which is ranked 8th):)

[fillin']

There are good and bad things about UTSC:

Good:

- less competition
- smaller class sizes, better learning environment and easier references
- co op
- buildings relatively new
- better laboratory experience because of smaller class sizes

Bad:

- Weak social life
- limited course/program selection
- limited facilities (crappy gym, no swimming pool... yet)
- get looked down upon by UTSG
- generally less rep than UTSG

However, UTSC is slowly becoming bigger and bigger, with lots of room for improvement. We've just built a New Science building which opened in 2008, and there's already talks of more money for ANOTHER science building. As well as the talks of building a massive sports facility for pan am games.

So, UTSC may not be big now, but it should hold up a decent rep like a few years after you graduate.

[Mistro]

Your UTORid is your tri campus id. It works at st george and utm as well. It comes with a @utoronto.ca email. This email will be with you even after you graduate. You use this id to log into wireless on all three campus's (for now atleast) as well as to access the registrar eServices. You can also use the computers downtown with this. You will get a sheet of paper in your registration bundle with your "Secret activation key" written on it. You then just need to go to utorid.utoronto.ca and set it up there yourself. If you loose this sheet, just go to the computing helpdesk in either the library, or the 4th floor computer labs and they'll help you set it up (and answer any other questions you may have)

Your UTSCid comes with an @utsc.utoronto.ca email. It's basically your username (ie: 09xxxxxx) @utsc.utoronto.ca. Your UTORid will be different than your email... that email is usually firstname.lastname@utoronto.ca unless its taken already. You get to decide what it is though :)

Your UTSCid is restricted to UTSC services. The single most important use for this id is to log into the computers at uni. This email will expire once you stop taking courses. So it's best to use your utorid email for resumes business cards etc.

To make your life easier, just forward your utsc email to your utorid email. You can then check your utorid email directly, or just forward that to your personal email.

And the blue shirt guys on the 4th floor are always there to help if you get lost with anything tech related ;)

[Nguyenmon]

:lol:WOW... My thread is still alive... last time I remembered, this thread was dead... Yet every so often, some UTSGer who happens to be in their period or something, comes back and bashes utsc.

This is my semi-rant/response to my own question :D

I'm entering 3rd year now as of this summer (taking 4 courses..) I'm now in spec. in human bio + minor in econ, I plan to upgrade to major in econ, while keeping spec = reason for taking summer now, so that I can still grad in the 4 years with 22 credits ish.

Uni life, social life, campus life, w/e life that may exist at utsc depends solely on what the individual makes of it. Me being a commuter, like most ppl have stated already, could care less to stay at school for w/e reasons.

But who said Uni is fun and games, you're going there for an education to get a better job, not to **** around and have a life, big whop? I'll comment on friend networking though. Since I'm coming from downtown, only 1 girl from my HS came with me to utsc, so that's 1 old friend. I still managed to make new friends, my network is around 140+ friends now.. it's what you make of it.

You guys seem to be comparing prof's.. most of my life sci prof's got their PhD's from UofT, but did undergrad/masters elsewhere. Most of the physical sci prof's were imported :lol: from european countries, mainly russia.. esp. for calc >_<

Someone mentioned more opportunities downtown, there's also more people downtown, like 50k+? right?.. utsc has 10k+. The ratio between opportunities to number of students I would assume to be the same. I have a fair share of friends right now already doing research with prof's @ utsc.

Ok, here's a real rant/bash against utsc.. every1 that goes here will agree... why does our H/Sci-wing look like a bomb shelter.. it's grey and gloomy, and its in the middle, all the new buildings look good from outside, until you reach the center of campus and see a big block of grey O_O, which was apparently designed by some famous architect.. >_<

[Bourney]

Bourney, you are making a lot of outrageous claims here.


The rest of this post specifically refers to the deluded idea passed around that EVERY DEGREE awarded by Harvard, goes to an intelligent person.

Perhaps my claims do seem outrageous, but they are not implausible.
I believe Sammy and CSR are suffering from the honour/glory delusion to which Plato spoke of in the Republic.

If you do make this universal claim, then all I'll have to do is find one aberration to discount it.

Let's take the example of the Harvard MBA. There have been people who have had these MBAs and have become bad managers. One infamous/notorious case is Enron which was led by top Harvard business school graduates. They too suffered from these delusions (they didn't even have super high marks when they were accepted to the program). Critics accused Enron senior leadership of idiotic management; they promoted their cronies instead of basing promotions on merit.

Former president Bush also has a Harvard degree.... is he smart?


Wait a second Sammmy, I'm confused, I thought Harvard graduates (pass the undergraduate level) were smart?

So, let me reiterate my point one more time... the Ivy League offers the best undergraduate education; it's not necessarily the same case for their graduate and doctoral levels.

This is one of the reasons why most managers nowadays have, at the very least, a liberal arts education... because they happen to be the least ostentatious.

[Sammmy]

and our beloved Dean of Rotman, Roger Martin, got his MBA from Harvard too... There are good and bad apples no matter where you go...

And I do not remember claiming every one from Ivy league/Harvard = smart.

I have no clue what happened in between, from you claiming that there are no Ivy league professors at utsc, to Enron and George Bush.

But this is going off topic, and I'll stop right here.

[azurastar]

Most people at UT (any campus) give out the "ewww reaction" when it comes to UT business (since we're ranked 20-30th globally). Which is why I'm now in liberal arts (which is ranked 8th):)



Reading some of your replies and other ignorant people, I've noticed they either have something against UTSC or suffering from somewhat delusional and strange pride.

I mean this thread itself is pretty meaningless debate.
You must compare University to another different University (ex. York vs UofT) why destroy each others within?lol

I bet, within the SG campus this dumb debate goes again and on between colleges (Trinity vs New)...urr..whatever right?

I guess you are too young to know that since you might be a freshman,
but here are the TRUE FACTS

1. There is nothing you can really do much with your BA degree ,yea you might, but the percentage is minimal. You're either forced to go Masters,Phd, Grad School (Med, Pharma, LAw etc) and they look at your GPA way more then your St.george campus which college BS, because it is just a joke.

2. So you don't wanna go to Grad school and get a decent job?
then you need either a "specialized degree" (business degree, engineer degree, sci degree) or have a good solid work exp, preferably co-op since employers know the standards of co-op students (I'm just being general, yes you can get a good job after art degree)

3. Yes, DT commerce has great facilities but guess what, If you have T-card you can use it no problem anytime anywhere. libraries, database, UofT harthouse, gym, everything.

I remember when I moved to DT for a few month, I always studied in robarts or comp sci building(BA) or gerstein and hang out with my SG friends, order chinese food and buy some in chineses food trucks.vice-versa, my friends came over to UTSC for basketball, party, and use new gym (which is really nice)

4. People can take up to full year 4.0 worth credits from SG or UTM or UTSC course anywhere.

5. Hard to commute? not really. If you live in Eastside you'd would prefer UTSC, if you live in Missi, then UTM.
Even if you don't, ,, You will notice how UTSC have lots and lots of spoiled rich kids with BMWs and Lexus, parking lot is always full of crazy eye candy.

Especially for people like me, I just go to class and come home right away,
because I actually do have "life" , UTSG is too crowded and noisy.

6. YES, UTSC also have xxx@utoronto.ca address. However, most student won't even care about it since they have intranet, which is more faster.

7. YES, UTSC people can use portal, and they do use the same ROSI

8. UTSC management co-op has definately higher (or at least similar) acceptance mark cut line compare to UTSG:commerce.

why? I had average 95 with 250+ hrs of volunteer work, and most of the people I see in UTSC.MGT-co-op have similar mark range (85~100), now, with this mark, you can deinately go to SG commerce or any univ. in Canada but why not? it's just our choice.

if you want to get into co-op after first yr univ, your GPA must me 3.0+ to be cosidered.

9. UTSC have plenty of IVY leagues profs, and most of the "best prof competition" every year comes from UTSC. Some profs teach in Rotman Business and UTSC both.

10. Now upon graduation, 10 out of 10 friends envy and regret that they should have gone to co-op program, since I got a full time job and others in UTSC:co-op or UW co-op got a decent jobs, but most of the frnds are just kindda lost and don't kno what to do with their blank resume : (


I'm not saying UTSC is better than UTSG. In general, I agree that UTSG has more dynamic student life. But, it is also wrong to generalize UTSG over UTSC since it's basically the same school in a different location.

[flexwong]

9. UTSC have plenty of IVY leagues profs, and most of the "best prof competition" every year comes from UTSC. Some profs teach in Rotman Business and UTSC both.



ugh, why does this even matter? i've had some amazing profs from universities i have never even heard of, and i've some horrible ivy league profs. if they're good, they're good. simple as that.

[dipple]

I love this Ivy League obsession. My favorite Profs are all people who have worked, and generally still do work, in the field they are teaching. Just because you have the word "Harvard" on your resume doesn't mean you're going to be aware of every new change or trend in your field, have a network of interesting guest speakers, or be able to combine the content of a boring textbook with real world examples from your career.

Someone who's teaching career is based on the fact they a) work as an economist (Cook) b) work as an accountant (i think every 'lecturer' at utsc that teaches accounting c) own a marketing firm (I. Ghosh) d) Work as a consultant internationally (Bovaird); is going to be a better Prof than someone whose teaching career is based on the fact the have a Harvard degree.

Can someone with a Harvard degree still have this useful experience? Of course. But evaluating the teaching quality of a Prof based on the school(s) they attended is just like evaluating a product because its got a nice package.

[Mistro]

...which was apparently designed by some famous architect.. >_<

Yep... same guy who designed the CN Tower apparently.

UTSC's great, but I can't wait to graduate and get out of there.

[dragon_drift]

Yep... same guy who designed the CN Tower apparently.

UTSC's great, but I can't wait to graduate and get out of there.

haha same here :D

[GreenTiger]

Spending 5 years of my life at UTSC I can say a few things

1. Theres nothing to do in the area so you will actually study
2. Ray Grinnell is a ****ing GOD. Best math prof ever!
3. Friends are important, @ UTSC you will make many
4. You will actually get to know almost every face @ UTSC within 4 years
5. Prof's @ UTSC will actually help you out (most of them)
6. Overall, the UTSC student body isn't stuck up. UTSG students have pickles up their ***
7. Dating scene @ UTSC is alright.
8. Res isn't all that great, better to live off campus but near the area.
9. The school is UGLY!!!
10. Sucks to write exams in the dungeon (its either incredibly hot or incredibly cold)
11. Sucks to write exams in the Gym (Too much background noise)
12. Registrar was good when I was there
13. Props to Rob the previous SCSU Pres and good friend of mine
14. Props To Anton for Pacman LAWL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdiHV-8Vlc

15. You'll have a good time!

[crackheadpakman]

aite my opinion on UTSC:
alot of the things GreenTiger said is very true
Social life completly blows, scarborough is an empty area.
School has old-style buildings, its ugly as f, it looks like an ex-prison
I have to say dating scene sucked bad, unless your Indian, dam school is like 90% filled with brown girls (no offence to brown people)
Profs are very nice and helpful + well educated in their fields. To sum it up
Academic = Excellent, Social Life= blows

One final advice: Make proper friends in the first year, cause Management program is filled with like i say around 50~60% Pre-management kids, which a lot of them fail (sorry but if you failed pre-management, you are a one seriously dumb person) so you wont see majority of them starting 2nd year :o
IMO: UTSC management > UofT commerce

[crackheadpakman]

just wanted to add something: UofT commerce is not better than UTSC management
In the end you get BA at uoftcommercce or BBA at UTSC management
IMO BBA is far superior
p.s Kids at UTSG going around putting UTSC students down thinking their better than us or something needs to get smacked real hard

[jahme]

just wanted to add something: UofT commerce is not better than UTSC management
In the end you get BA at uoftcommercce or BBA at UTSC management
IMO BBA is far superior
p.s Kids at UTSG going around putting UTSC students down thinking their better than us or something needs to get smacked real hard

You're wrong. You get a B.Comm at UofT Commerce (Rotman and UTM). Where are you pulling out your information from dude?

[crackheadpakman]

You're wrong. You get a B.Comm at UofT Commerce (Rotman and UTM). Where are you pulling out your information from dude?

typo, BCA
where do you think im pulling my info from

[ceecee101]

OP, seeing that you posted this in 2007, how are you finding UTSC? or have you switched to St.George?

I just compelted my first year at utsc and I'd say it's okay. in teh beginning i really loved it and met lots of friends and thought it was so easy to make new friends cuz everyone was so nice and friendly. but within about 2 or 3 months i stopped meeting new people, lol. but that's cuz i already made some good friends in each class and didn't "need" new friends anymore.

the school IS very boring and my friends and i often walk around teh school in circles thinking of what to do.. i've starting using the gym and it's pretty old but its ok, lots of people still go there. they're renovating it right now but only the outside... i hope they change something about the inside! they've also build teh new science building which i think it pretty nice but there's like ONE room in tehre and its sooo far away from teh rest of teh school.

academic wise.. hmm, i don't really know waht to compare it to. but i think its alright. of course tehre are good profs and bad profs but in general, most of them are good. (i only encountered 1 or 2 i absolutely could not stand)

next year i'm actually planning to join some groups cuz last year i didn't.. and i'll try to spend some more time at school! i used to be a total commuter and never even studied at school. it was just like class, computers during break, class, leave. lol, i really don't want to do that anymore sooo i'll find something else to do in my spare time!

i DID just recently realize how SMALL utsc is compared to utsg. i knew it was smaller but not THAT MUCH smaller. i'm planning to take a course downtown next year just to see how it really is.. :)

[cloverfield]

One final advice: Make proper friends in the first year, cause Management program is filled with like i say around 50~60% Pre-management kids, which a lot of them fail (sorry but if you failed pre-management, you are a one seriously dumb person) so you wont see majority of them starting 2nd year :o
IMO: UTSC management > UofT commerce



Good advice, too many times this year had i been coaxed into not going to lectures and tutorials such as intro to macro or math for example, because of friends who simply didn't want to go, also i did the foolish thing and registered in electives with them just cause they thought it was an easy course.
Either way its a late realization because i was in pre management and i didn't make the cut this year. Mainly my fault due to bad choices on electives, habits and whatnot, but bad friend choices would take part of the blame too. It's funny though, cause alot of pre management kids (myself included) are doing better than alot of people in regular and co-op (GPA wise) :lol:. I've heard a few stories here and there about people who got kicked out of co-op this year.
A couple of people i know in regular also failed intro to macroecon (ECMA06 i think), not entirely their fault though, I found the course hard too this year with the new prof and all but seriously don't listen to friends who tell you not to go to lectures and tutorials.
So yeah, to sum it up, just stay away from people who drag you down even more.

[crackheadpakman]

Good advice, too many times this year had i been coaxed into not going to lectures and tutorials such as intro to macro or math for example, because of friends who simply didn't want to go, also i did the foolish thing and registered in electives with them just cause they thought it was an easy course.
Either way its a late realization because i was in pre management and i didn't make the cut this year. Mainly my fault due to bad choices on electives, habits and whatnot, but bad friend choices would take part of the blame too. It's funny though, cause alot of pre management kids (myself included) are doing better than alot of people in regular and co-op (GPA wise) :lol:. I've heard a few stories here and there about people who got kicked out of co-op this year.
A couple of people i know in regular also failed intro to macroecon (ECMA06 i think), not entirely their fault though, I found the course hard too this year with the new prof and all but seriously don't listen to friends who tell you not to go to lectures and tutorials.
So yeah, to sum it up, just stay away from people who drag you down even more.

i couldnt have said it better myself, some people are completly useless to your future. I dont get why you registered in certain electives just because your friend told you so, you could just have said no :o .
IMO going to lectures + tutorials (except for quizes and stuff) doesnt make a difference, almost all the material is available online on the intranet. The only way you getbad marks is if you dont study at home/your spare time (for example playing video games instead)
i :lol: at the first bolded statement
Personally i think its your bad habits that brought your grade down; not your ex-friends. Studying at home is enough to get a good/decent mark

[crackheadpakman]

OP, seeing that you posted this in 2007, how are you finding UTSC? or have you switched to St.George?

I just compelted my first year at utsc and I'd say it's okay. in teh beginning i really loved it and met lots of friends and thought it was so easy to make new friends cuz everyone was so nice and friendly. but within about 2 or 3 months i stopped meeting new people, lol. but that's cuz i already made some good friends in each class and didn't "need" new friends anymore.

the school IS very boring and my friends and i often walk around teh school in circles thinking of what to do.. i've starting using the gym and it's pretty old but its ok, lots of people still go there. they're renovating it right now but only the outside... i hope they change something about the inside! they've also build teh new science building which i think it pretty nice but there's like ONE room in tehre and its sooo far away from teh rest of teh school.

academic wise.. hmm, i don't really know waht to compare it to. but i think its alright. of course tehre are good profs and bad profs but in general, most of them are good. (i only encountered 1 or 2 i absolutely could not stand)

next year i'm actually planning to join some groups cuz last year i didn't.. and i'll try to spend some more time at school! i used to be a total commuter and never even studied at school. it was just like class, computers during break, class, leave. lol, i really don't want to do that anymore sooo i'll find something else to do in my spare time!

i DID just recently realize how SMALL utsc is compared to utsg. i knew it was smaller but not THAT MUCH smaller. i'm planning to take a course downtown next year just to see how it really is.. :)

i agree with what you said. My first year wasnt that great either, the school is boring as hell. I see like half of the asians playing super smash bros and warcraft in their spare time, makes me think (wow i ll never be that g@y) Personally the only thing quite enjoyable in the school is going to gym. Social life wasnt that great, 1st year I met some good friends and useless retards. Alot of the people, especially chinese people (i hope you guys are reading this), at utsc are egotistic and talks too much, like a guy named Calvin Tan.
My final advice: GO TO GYM PEOPLE, its the only source of enjoyment and some people need to grow (they look like a walking tree branch)

[Bourney]

Reading some of your replies and other ignorant people, I've noticed they either have something against UTSC or suffering from somewhat delusional and strange pride.

I mean this thread itself is pretty meaningless debate.
You must compare University to another different University (ex. York vs UofT) why destroy each others within?lol

3. Yes, DT commerce has great facilities but guess what, If you have T-card you can use it no problem anytime anywhere. libraries, database, UofT harthouse, gym, everything.

I remember when I moved to DT for a few month, I always studied in robarts or comp sci building(BA) or gerstein and hang out with my SG friends, order chinese food and buy some in chineses food trucks.vice-versa, my friends came over to UTSC for basketball, party, and use new gym (which is really nice)

4. People can take up to full year 4.0 worth credits from SG or UTM or UTSC course anywhere.

5. Hard to commute? not really. If you live in Eastside you'd would prefer UTSC, if you live in Missi, then UTM.
Even if you don't, ,, You will notice how UTSC have lots and lots of spoiled rich kids with BMWs and Lexus, parking lot is always full of crazy eye candy.

Especially for people like me, I just go to class and come home right away,
because I actually do have "life" , UTSG is too crowded and noisy.

6. YES, UTSC also have xxx@utoronto.ca address. However, most student won't even care about it since they have intranet, which is more faster.

7. YES, UTSC people can use portal, and they do use the same ROSI

8. UTSC management co-op has definately higher (or at least similar) acceptance mark cut line compare to UTSG:commerce.

why? I had average 95 with 250+ hrs of volunteer work, and most of the people I see in UTSC.MGT-co-op have similar mark range (85~100), now, with this mark, you can deinately go to SG commerce or any univ. in Canada but why not? it's just our choice.

if you want to get into co-op after first yr univ, your GPA must me 3.0+ to be cosidered.

9. UTSC have plenty of IVY leagues profs, and most of the "best prof competition" every year comes from UTSC. Some profs teach in Rotman Business and UTSC both.

10. Now upon graduation, 10 out of 10 friends envy and regret that they should have gone to co-op program, since I got a full time job and others in UTSC:co-op or UW co-op got a decent jobs, but most of the frnds are just kindda lost and don't kno what to do with their blank resume : (


I'm not saying UTSC is better than UTSG. In general, I agree that UTSG has more dynamic student life. But, it is also wrong to generalize UTSG over UTSC since it's basically the same school in a different location.

Let me ask you this: Is a degree from UC Berkeley the same as a degree from UC Davis? True, both are from the University of California... but is it necessary that they be equal?

Rebuttal to point 3: "you can use it no problem anytime anywhere." Yes, you can use it without any problem, it's just 1 hour west, then 1 hour back east.
*Sigh*, whatever happened to that "anytime"?

"my friends came over to UTSC for basketball, party, and use new gym"
Boy, your friends must have had a lot of time on their hands... are all UTSCers this unoccupied?

Rebuttal to 4: Yes, you can take up to 4 credits at any campus... all you have to do is wait until august 7th, then you can enroll once everyone else who has priority has enrolled in their desired courses.... if there's any space left to enroll... of course.

Rebuttal to 5: I guess it wouldn't be hard to commute if you were indeed a spoiled rich kid. After all, the only thing you'd have to do is drive.

Rebuttal to 6: I believe you missed my point completely.
"You will notice how UTSC have lots and lots of spoiled rich kids with BMWs and Lexus"
That's queer, I don't recall seeing many high end vehicles in Scarborough. I certainly don't see many Lexuses in downtown, they're mostly Porsches and Mercedes.

Rebuttal to 8: Are we to believe a person's claim, - who is incapable of spelling common words like "definitely" -, that this person also, concurrently, had a high school average of 95%?

Rebuttal to 9: Is 10% of each department considered to be "plenty"? I am confused, why is it that 60% of UTSG economics professors from the Ivy League?

"I'm not saying UTSC is better than UTSG. In general, I agree that UTSG has more dynamic student life. But, it is also wrong to generalize UTSG over UTSC since it's basically the same school in a different location."
Again, is UC Davis the same school as UC Berkeley... is Berkeley identical to UCLA?

Now, were my claims, ignorant? Exactly?

[flexwong]

Rebuttal to 6: I believe you missed my point completely.
"You will notice how UTSC have lots and lots of spoiled rich kids with BMWs and Lexus"
That's queer, I don't recall seeing many high end vehicles in Scarborough. I certainly don't see many Lexuses in downtown, they're mostly Porsches and Mercedes.



most of those who drive BMWs, mercs, lexus' etc at UTSC do not live in scarborough :P most are chinese students who are from the york region.

[crackheadpakman]

most of those who drive BMWs, mercs, lexus' etc at UTSC do not live in scarborough :P most are chinese students who are from the york region.

true say.
rich kids who drive beemers and benz dont exist in utsc + most of them drives a toyota or 1980s car
actually i see alot of lexuses downtown more than porsches :S i saw some *** with white lamborghini the other day in front of UTSG showing off :/ prob on a test drive from a local lamborghini dealership

[Gregamania]

Just thought I would add that many BMW's are NOT expensive. There's a gorgeous 2002 BMW selling for $12,000 two blocks from my apartment. To put them in the same league as a Porsche is ridiculous. A 2002 Porsche will set you back 50 grand.

I love BMW's, but the number of douche bags (who probably financed their entire purchase with debt) driving around in them is a big turn-off.

They seem to be the car of choice for 20-something douche nozzles.

[crackheadpakman]

Just thought I would add that many BMW's are NOT expensive. There's a gorgeous 2002 BMW selling for $12,000 two blocks from my apartment. To put them in the same league as a Porsche is ridiculous. A 2002 Porsche will set you back 50 grand.

I love BMW's, but the number of douche bags (who probably financed their entire purchase with debt) driving around in them is a big turn-off.

They seem to be the car of choice for 20-something douche nozzles.

well said :D
i dont really classify beemers as an expensive - only rich- car
plenty of cheap new beemers out there, and ya most fo them are douches who are living in basements :S financing the bmw with a $9/h job at no frills :D

[Error916]

Spending 5 years of my life at UTSC I can say a few things

1. Theres nothing to do in the area so you will actually study
2. Ray Grinnell is a ****ing GOD. Best math prof ever!
3. Friends are important, @ UTSC you will make many
4. You will actually get to know almost every face @ UTSC within 4 years
5. Prof's @ UTSC will actually help you out (most of them)
6. Overall, the UTSC student body isn't stuck up. UTSG students have pickles up their ***
7. Dating scene @ UTSC is alright.
8. Res isn't all that great, better to live off campus but near the area.
9. The school is UGLY!!!
10. Sucks to write exams in the dungeon (its either incredibly hot or incredibly cold)
11. Sucks to write exams in the Gym (Too much background noise)
12. Registrar was good when I was there
13. Props to Rob the previous SCSU Pres and good friend of mine
14. Props To Anton for Pacman LAWL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdiHV-8Vlc

15. You'll have a good time!

Very nice post here, Grinnel is amazing I have to agree. His questions tend to be on the hard side but math is always enjoyable with Ray G.

Easy to make friends? Where? lol



To the UTSC/UTSG argument, I honestly thought the value of my co-op work terms were invaluable. Students who are top and take proactive appraoches probably wouldn't notice the differnce attending either one. If you are like me, co-op forces you and gives you an edge since I am not an individual that gets involved a lot at all.

[Bourney]

Just thought I would add that many BMW's are NOT expensive. There's a gorgeous 2002 BMW selling for $12,000 two blocks from my apartment. To put them in the same league as a Porsche is ridiculous.

But what's the odometer reading on it? It's worth $12,000 for a reason you know.

+1 to point 2

[flexwong]

Just thought I would add that many BMW's are NOT expensive. There's a gorgeous 2002 BMW selling for $12,000 two blocks from my apartment. To put them in the same league as a Porsche is ridiculous. A 2002 Porsche will set you back 50 grand.

I love BMW's, but the number of douche bags (who probably financed their entire purchase with debt) driving around in them is a big turn-off.

They seem to be the car of choice for 20-something douche nozzles.

just because it looks nice doesn't mean it's a good car.

also, apart from the Z4, bmw's and porsche's are never compared side by side so i have no idea what you're talking about when you say "same league".

well said :D
i dont really classify beemers as an expensive - only rich- car
plenty of cheap new beemers out there, and ya most fo them are douches who are living in basements :S financing the bmw with a $9/h job at no frills :D

care to find me one? even a 1 series will set you back $33K+. mercedes, bmw, lexus, audi... all on the same level, so if you don't find bmw's expensive, then none of the other cars are expensive.

[cloverfield]

i couldnt have said it better myself, some people are completly useless to your future. I dont get why you registered in certain electives just because your friend told you so, you could just have said no :o .
IMO going to lectures + tutorials (except for quizes and stuff) doesnt make a difference, almost all the material is available online on the intranet. The only way you getbad marks is if you dont study at home/your spare time (for example playing video games instead)
i :lol: at the first bolded statement
Personally i think its your bad habits that brought your grade down; not your ex-friends. Studying at home is enough to get a good/decent mark

Well what you said about lectures not being useful, i mean come on, you only get so far with material on the intranet, i mean if its a course like management i would understand, i barely studied for that course and managed to pull off better marks than a couple of friends who studied more. Though they are smart, don't get me wrong, i think i just got lucky about which sections i focused on more. For classes like econ and especially math, you would absolutely have to go to lectures and tutorials. Those aren't courses you can simply learn by yourself before the exam. As far as habits go, yes they could be better but seriously, as i said, I managed to pull off better marks in many courses (though not all) than other people who studied more than me, i would say habits would play a major part but its more about how well you understand the course and the material rather than about how much time you put into it. Yeah my friends pretty much realized their mistakes too as did i, though i wouldn't call them ex-friends as you said just because of a disagreement or two, like seriously thats stuff you would do when you were in grade 4. :lol:

But if there is one thing i hate about UTSC, its the lack of relevant courses. If I was to pick electives, 95% of courses i have the option to pick are completely irrelevant and full of stuff i don't even wanna learn. Intro to Astro was probably the only close to interesting course i took. Oh, stay away from the course called environmetal pollution. :P

[Gregamania]

just because it looks nice doesn't mean it's a good car.

also, apart from the Z4, bmw's and porsche's are never compared side by side so i have no idea what you're talking about when you say "same league".



They were mentioned in the same sentence in this very thread. That's what I was commenting on.

Back to my point... in 2009, BMW is no longer a status car; especially in Toronto. If you buy one for status, you better paint the model # and year on the hood and it better be 2008 or 2009.

If you are looking for an inexpensive BMW, dealerships are overflowing with dirt cheap early 2000's. These cars are ALL OVER Scarborogh roads, largely driven by douche bag 20-somethings who look like they live in their parents basement.

[crackheadpakman]

just because it looks nice doesn't mean it's a good car.

also, apart from the Z4, bmw's and porsche's are never compared side by side so i have no idea what you're talking about when you say "same league".



care to find me one? even a 1 series will set you back $33K+. mercedes, bmw, lexus, audi... all on the same level, so if you don't find bmw's expensive, then none of the other cars are expensive.

maybe i made a bit of mistake, I didnt mean that all models of the car are expensive but there are older models that are fairly cheap nowdays, check autotrader or what not (used but w/e its not much differnt from a new car). Honestly i have seen a fair number of beemer-drivers in scarborough and you have no way of knowing if they are used or not. Gregamania is right, BMW isnt really "status" car anymore nor is Audi (not really status when you see more than half of the people driving it :o). Not saying its a bad car, but i would only call it a status car if someone drove a non-common model like Audi R8. No offence to flexwong but I think your looking it from a new-car perspective, seriously how many kids do you think at utsc actually bought a brand new beemer (30K+) or lexus/audi on their own without parental support or a big ass loan :o Most of them drives either their parents car or a <10k 1980s car, if you need proof take a nice stroll through the parking lot
Then again its just my opinion from what I've seen :P
p.s when did this thread suddenly turn into a car thread lol :D

[crackheadpakman]

Well what you said about lectures not being useful, i mean come on, you only get so far with material on the intranet, i mean if its a course like management i would understand, i barely studied for that course and managed to pull off better marks than a couple of friends who studied more. Though they are smart, don't get me wrong, i think i just got lucky about which sections i focused on more. For classes like econ and especially math, you would absolutely have to go to lectures and tutorials. Those aren't courses you can simply learn by yourself before the exam. As far as habits go, yes they could be better but seriously, as i said, I managed to pull off better marks in many courses (though not all) than other people who studied more than me, i would say habits would play a major part but its more about how well you understand the course and the material rather than about how much time you put into it. Yeah my friends pretty much realized their mistakes too as did i, though i wouldn't call them ex-friends as you said just because of a disagreement or two, like seriously thats stuff you would do when you were in grade 4. :lol:

But if there is one thing i hate about UTSC, its the lack of relevant courses. If I was to pick electives, 95% of courses i have the option to pick are completely irrelevant and full of stuff i don't even wanna learn. Intro to Astro was probably the only close to interesting course i took. Oh, stay away from the course called environmetal pollution. :P

I didn't really find the need to go to lectures for math or econ. I did pretty well this summer for Econ by not going to a single lecture, ended up with 82% on mid term which is decent IMO. Sure professors might give you pointers here and there but they usually dont teach things outside of the textbook so I find it easier to use lecture time to just study on my own.

[ParamedicPeter]

Excuse me if it's already been mentioned in this thread, but the food selection at UTSC sucks.

[petey123]

^It does. I usually bike to popeyes, shamrocks, mr jerk, or cheetals though. When I'm not feeling health conscious anyway.

And shhh @ other guy telling people to go to the gym, I love it when it's empty! I wish it was always empty!

And how did this thread turn to cars?

[crackheadpakman]

^It does. I usually bike to popeyes, shamrocks, mr jerk, or cheetals though. When I'm not feeling health conscious anyway.

And shhh @ other guy telling people to go to the gym, I love it when it's empty! I wish it was always empty!

And how did this thread turn to cars?

:lol:
pssss the best time to go to gym (if you want it empty) is around 10~12 :D
and yup the food selection there is horrible, not to mention OVERPRICED
frozen food there is like $3.50 in a vending machine wth
no frills $1 frozen food ftw

[skyblue12]

Excuse me if it's already been mentioned in this thread, but the food selection at UTSC sucks.

selection? what selection? :lol:

every time i hear "hot dog" or "A&W" now i run away scared.

this upcoming semester i have pretty large breaks though.. i might consider getting a metropass and bussing down to STC to eat :|

[flexwong]

selection? what selection? :lol:

every time i hear "hot dog" or "A&W" now i run away scared.

this upcoming semester i have pretty large breaks though.. i might consider getting a metropass and bussing down to STC to eat :|

only one more year of crappy UTSC food :D

i don't mind the subs or hotdogs that much but all the other food is bleh. pizza pizza is fine if you want a quick bite.

[skyblue12]

only one more year of crappy UTSC food :D

i don't mind the subs or hotdogs that much but all the other food is bleh. pizza pizza is fine if you want a quick bite.

3 more years for me.. 5 year program ftl :(

it's not that i really mind the food there, just that as each semester goes on it's like.. omg.. give me something else!

[Error916]

There is........asian gourmet

[crackheadpakman]

asian gourmet, geez been eating that like everyday :o
nowdays i just buy no-frills food on the way to school :D
food gets really repetitive: hotdog, A&W, chinese food, Timmys, repeat cycle
and what happened to hot dog guy, he disappeared >:(
as skyblue said thats a good idea too, STC has more selection

[String Theory]

wow life sucks for u ppl at utsc, sounds like dodo...rofl. UTSG ftw!!!

[crackheadpakman]

wow life sucks for u ppl at utsc, sounds like dodo...rofl. UTSG ftw!!!

HEY!! no UTSG STUDENTS HERE :twisted:
:D

[skyblue12]

asian gourmet, geez been eating that like everyday :o
nowdays i just buy no-frills food on the way to school :D
food gets really repetitive: hotdog, A&W, chinese food, Timmys, repeat cycle
and what happened to hot dog guy, he disappeared >:(
as skyblue said thats a good idea too, STC has more selection

i don't think i can even roll a die to choose what food i'll be eating without having to be biased about one or two choices.. LOL

i'm pretty sure the hot dog guy will be back when the fall semester starts again..

[Mistro]

Yea the food choice on campus gets pretty bland after a while.

There are few shops up north on Morningside near Sheppard. We usually order from there or go there when we want something different. There's a Mr. Greek, Swiss Chalet, McDz, Wendy's and a bunch of others. The sit down restaurants also deliver to UTSC so if you're having a cram session that's always nice.

There's also a nice pub down at Morningside and Military trail next to the Popeyes called Fossil and Haggis that beats Bluffs by tenfold (which isn't too hard to do lol ;) )

[Cavos]

Hi guys,
I'm going to UTSC first year for humanities..non co-op sadly i applied in late July XD

But i'm kinda worried about a few things like the diversity.... I heard there is alot of asians and indians are it well mixed? I like my diversity :D But how is it? Do pple get along? Social life etc.. I really hate egoist's...What about the atmosphere is it liberal blah blah etc? Are people accepting?
What about friends and stuff? I heard that frosh is really important and that you usually meet your close? friends there? and you don't really get to meet people after.. Is it easy? Also i never been lived to toronto only lived in vancouver for a while so i can't really draw any or that many comparisons :D So i'm kind of scared about this scene change friends etc :D
Anyways on a totally unrelated note...I'm taking english lit and poetry and philosophy and feminism hahaha

Hoping you guys can dispel my ignorance hahaha thanks!

[dragon_drift]

Hi guys,
I'm going to UTSC first year for humanities..non co-op sadly i applied in late July XD

But i'm kinda worried about a few things like the diversity.... I heard there is alot of asians and indians are it well mixed? I like my diversity :D But how is it? Do pple get along? Social life etc.. I really hate egoist's...What about the atmosphere is it liberal blah blah etc? Are people accepting?
What about friends and stuff? I heard that frosh is really important and that you usually meet your close? friends there? and you don't really get to meet people after.. Is it easy? Also i never been lived to toronto only lived in vancouver for a while so i can't really draw any or that many comparisons :D So i'm kind of scared about this scene change friends etc :D
Anyways on a totally unrelated note...I'm taking english lit and poetry and philosophy and feminism hahaha

Hoping you guys can dispel my ignorance hahaha thanks!

The atmosphere is depressing there. Too many wannabe-gangstas. Some people tend to stick to their groups. But just be yourself, you'll find friends eventually.

[skyblue12]

Hi guys,
I'm going to UTSC first year for humanities..non co-op sadly i applied in late July XD

But i'm kinda worried about a few things like the diversity.... I heard there is alot of asians and indians are it well mixed? I like my diversity :D But how is it? Do pple get along? Social life etc.. I really hate egoist's...What about the atmosphere is it liberal blah blah etc? Are people accepting?
What about friends and stuff? I heard that frosh is really important and that you usually meet your close? friends there? and you don't really get to meet people after.. Is it easy? Also i never been lived to toronto only lived in vancouver for a while so i can't really draw any or that many comparisons :D So i'm kind of scared about this scene change friends etc :D
Anyways on a totally unrelated note...I'm taking english lit and poetry and philosophy and feminism hahaha

Hoping you guys can dispel my ignorance hahaha thanks!

the school is so small that it's much easier to make / keep friends, i met some people at frosh that i don't really speak to but i always bump into them anyway.. unless you're really anti-social or something i'm sure you'll have no problems meeting new friends. frosh is important because you get to meet people that are studying similar subjects / taking the same program, which means the chances of running into them during the school year is even higher.

[gamer123]

utsc closed parking lot#1 for whatever reason. so basically we lost 1/2 of the parking space with the same number of cars fighting for spots, plus the price just got higher. how nice.

[Rx-87]

selection? what selection? :lol:

every time i hear "hot dog" or "A&W" now i run away scared.

this upcoming semester i have pretty large breaks though.. i might consider getting a metropass and bussing down to STC to eat :|

only one more year of crappy UTSC food :D

i don't mind the subs or hotdogs that much but all the other food is bleh. pizza pizza is fine if you want a quick bite.



So no one packs lunches anymore??
:lol:

UTSC has subway.... at least

[ParamedicPeter]

So no one packs lunches anymore??
:lol:

UTSC has subway.... at least

Every other Monday, I'll be at school from 8:30 AM to 10:00 PM. I don't think I can bring a breakfast, lunch, and dinner =S

But yeah, in first year, I brought a lunch almost everyday to school.

[ItechJester]

GO TO FROSH!!! you meet tons of ppl in your program.


whenever i think about university, frosh week brings a smile to my face

[Mistro]

utsc closed parking lot#1 for whatever reason. so basically we lost 1/2 of the parking space with the same number of cars fighting for spots, plus the price just got higher. how nice.

They're building another building there. That's why they shut it down.

Don't you even bother opening your Tom Nowers Emails ;) haha
(UTSCers will get it :D )

[crackheadpakman]

The atmosphere is depressing there. Too many wannabe-gangstas. Some people tend to stick to their groups. But just be yourself, you'll find friends eventually.

I agree with you 200%. Tamil Gangstas yo, so scary

[crackheadpakman]

So no one packs lunches anymore??
:lol:

UTSC has subway.... at least

subway gets repetitive too lol
Monday: Meatball Tuesday: Ham Wednesday: Coldcut
repeat

[crackheadpakman]

Hi guys,
I'm going to UTSC first year for humanities..non co-op sadly i applied in late July XD

But i'm kinda worried about a few things like the diversity.... I heard there is alot of asians and indians are it well mixed? I like my diversity :D But how is it? Do pple get along? Social life etc.. I really hate egoist's...What about the atmosphere is it liberal blah blah etc? Are people accepting?
What about friends and stuff? I heard that frosh is really important and that you usually meet your close? friends there? and you don't really get to meet people after.. Is it easy? Also i never been lived to toronto only lived in vancouver for a while so i can't really draw any or that many comparisons :D So i'm kind of scared about this scene change friends etc :D
Anyways on a totally unrelated note...I'm taking english lit and poetry and philosophy and feminism hahaha

Hoping you guys can dispel my ignorance hahaha thanks!

Actually in my grade, I met so many ego-tistical chinese people its not even funny, they are so full of themselves I just want to smack them in the face.
Still you ll meet alot of ppl there, there are alot of nice people too. Making friends isnt hard dont worry you ll meet people with similar interests :)
P.s Go to Frosh, its fun and you ll meet new ppl

[Mistro]

I agree with you 200%. Tamil Gangstas yo, so scary

As an older Tamil guy, those kiddies with their baggie pants down to their knees, pregnant lady shirts, and the waddle that makes it seem like they still have sh** up their ass because they didn't clean properly just makes me laugh.

They eventually settle down once they get older. Or they drop out.

The brown girls are the worst. They try to bring highschool "beef" into uni. It's like they have a need for drama. If there aren't any problems they'll CREATE one.

dang youngins ;)

[crackheadpakman]

As an older Tamil guy, those kiddies with their baggie pants down to their knees, pregnant lady shirts, and the waddle that makes it seem like they still have sh** up their ass because they didn't clean properly just makes me laugh.

They eventually settle down once they get older. Or they drop out.

The brown girls are the worst. They try to bring highschool "beef" into uni. It's like they have a need for drama. If there aren't any problems they'll CREATE one.

dang youngins ;)

haha :D
+1

[ctslut]

good.