2008 BMW M3 and 1 series Brochures

[Neb]

1 series Eurospec
http://web.mac.com/ronanw/iWeb/Site%203/BMW%201%20SERIES%20COUPE.html

M3 - US Specs
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70985

[onecoolloser]

Thx!! Are they US or Euro Spec?

Edit: 1-Series is Euro, M3 is US (i believe)

[SkeptiKal12]

1-series is coming here. 135i is probably nearly as fast straight line as the M3 but half the price.

[Badman]

I like the the M3 and lol at how bmw compared themselves to other companies in their own manual.

[SkeptiKal12]

I like the the M3 and lol at how bmw compared themselves to other companies in their own manual.

It is not a brochure for customers but for their sales team. Their intention is to give their salesmen(women) some (biased) info on the M3s competition.

[Spray]

3400 pounds for a damn coupe?

BMW really shoulda tried harder :(

My AWD Sports sedan weighs less than that...

[SkeptiKal12]

^ And what does it do around the track and 0-60?

What about the features of your current vehicle, how do they stack up?

With customers wanting more gadgets, features and safety to upcoming models weight will only increase in future generations. The 135i will probably report sub 5 second 0-60 times in magazines (BMW like Porsche is conservative with their website stats). A relatively cheap upgrade to increase boost and you easily have M3 figures.

[thephenom]

All the cars now a days have been gaining a lot of weight. Even small 4-door sedans like the Sentra and Lancer all weight over 3000lbs from all the extra gadgets, electronics and safety features.

[corrupt123]

Did anyone read about the diesel engines for the 1 series? Pretty sweet fuel economy, enough so that I'd opt for them if I was buying a 1 series... If they're going to be available.

What I found interesting though was that they mentioned "Break Energy Regeneration" on both the diesel engines... I HIGHLY doubt BMW is making them hybrids... so exactly where is the created energy going? Capacitors for the next stop/start? There would still need an electric motor in there somewhere...

Maybe to just charge the battery? I dont see that having a major effect on fuel economy though.

Or... as I continue to type as I think... They did put an electric motor in. And this motor acts as a generator under breaking, and a motor under acceleration. Hmmm, very smart.

[Spray]

0-60 is the same, 5.3 although it's 4.6 right now with the current mods.

Around the track? No clue, it has an STI inverted bilstein setup with aluminum control arms...many pro drivers actually prefer the Spec B to driving an STI giving it an edge in feedback and driver control. It would depend on the track, and if it was raining forget about it the subaru would win hands down.

Features I didnt check the sheet. My car has perforated bucket leather, heated seats, navigation, 6 speakers, climate control etc.

Compare this to the new Saab 9-3 AWD 2.8L twin turbo coming out in 2008 weighing in at a crisp 3200 pounds as well. Why does BMw have to ruin this car by making it so fat? I'd LOVE to make this car my first dive into the BMW world, but at 3400+ pounds why bother.

^ And what does it do around the track and 0-60?

What about the features of your current vehicle, how do they stack up?

With customers wanting more gadgets, features and safety to upcoming models weight will only increase in future generations. The 135i will probably report sub 5 second 0-60 times in magazines (BMW like Porsche is conservative with their website stats). A relatively cheap upgrade to increase boost and you easily have M3 figures.

[masterballer]

0-60 is the same, 5.3 although it's 4.6 right now with the current mods.

Around the track? No clue, it has an STI inverted bilstein setup with aluminum control arms...many pro drivers actually prefer the Spec B to driving an STI giving it an edge in feedback and driver control. It would depend on the track, and if it was raining forget about it the subaru would win hands down.

Features I didnt check the sheet. My car has perforated bucket leather, heated seats, navigation, 6 speakers, climate control etc.

Compare this to the new Saab 9-3 AWD 2.8L twin turbo coming out in 2008 weighing in at a crisp 3200 pounds as well. Why does BMw have to ruin this car by making it so fat? I'd LOVE to make this car my first dive into the BMW world, but at 3400+ pounds why bother.

Honestly i dont think that 200 extra lbs are gonna make the M3 any less of a match to the Saab ... i would take a M3 over a Saab anyday of the week, now thats not to say that that Saab is any bad but the M group at BMW makes sick cars!

[Spray]

I dont think you understand. The BMW will obviously be a more fun car to drive, dont get me wrong.

Btw I'm talking about the 135 at 3400 pounds, not the M3. It's just that they took an amazing concept that what seems to have been bringing them back to their roots in the "car to drive" and completely ruined it by keeping it so fat. It doesnt even seem to have all that many features, why the heck is it so heavy?

This could of been the new 2002, but at this cumbersome weight there's no chance. It'll still be a very fun car though to drive. For now I'm still in love with the subaru :)

[SkeptiKal12]

I dont think you understand. The BMW will obviously be a more fun car to drive, dont get me wrong.

Btw I'm talking about the 135 at 3400 pounds, not the M3. It's just that they took an amazing concept that what seems to have been bringing them back to their roots in the "car to drive" and completely ruined it by keeping it so fat. It doesnt even seem to have all that many features, why the heck is it so heavy?

This could of been the new 2002, but at this cumbersome weight there's no chance. It'll still be a very fun car though to drive. For now I'm still in love with the subaru :)

Its understandable that you want to defend your purchase.

Its 3400lbs with driver (68kg I think), cargo (7kg) and 90% fuel tank. Posted 0-60 time on BMWs site is conservative like I said.

Any way you swing it, I'd rather have the BMW over the Subaru even *if* performance numbers were similar. Heavy or not the car has more then enough power, quality, and features to be seriously considered. How it drives on the road and the track is still to be seen.

[Spray]

You're a moron. I'm not comparing my car and saying it's a "better car" I'm simply saying how the hell do they make a RWD 1 series coupe fatter than two AWD sport sedans? Both which have the highest safety rating in the industry.

I dont have to defend my purchase. It cost fully 15 grand less than what the 1 series costs anyways, it's a different price class alltogether. I personally know I got one of the greatest bargains in the automotive world.

Its understandable that you want to defend your purchase.

Its 3400lbs with driver (68kg I think), cargo (7kg) and 90% fuel tank. Posted 0-60 time on BMWs site is conservative like I said.

Any way you swing it, I'd rather have the BMW over the Subaru even *if* performance numbers were similar. Heavy or not the car has more then enough power, quality, and features to be seriously considered. How it drives on the road and the track is still to be seen.

[shabby]

The 135i weighs only 60lbs less then the 335i. Since this is the econo version i guess bmw didnt bother with any weight saving tricks.

[SkeptiKal12]

You're a moron. I'm not comparing my car and saying it's a "better car" I'm simply saying how the hell do they make a RWD 1 series coupe fatter than two AWD sport sedans? Both which have the highest safety rating in the industry.

I dont have to defend my purchase. It cost fully 15 grand less than what the 1 series costs anyways, it's a different price class alltogether. I personally know I got one of the greatest bargains in the automotive world.

You'd be a moron to say your car was in fact 'better', was just stopping you before you did.

Were you looking for someone to break down every component used in the 135i and list its weight? Now don't get upset cause you felt I insulted your subaru.

[afzan]

Did anyone read about the diesel engines for the 1 series? Pretty sweet fuel economy, enough so that I'd opt for them if I was buying a 1 series... If they're going to be available.

What I found interesting though was that they mentioned "Break Energy Regeneration" on both the diesel engines... I HIGHLY doubt BMW is making them hybrids... so exactly where is the created energy going? Capacitors for the next stop/start? There would still need an electric motor in there somewhere...

Maybe to just charge the battery? I dont see that having a major effect on fuel economy though.

Or... as I continue to type as I think... They did put an electric motor in. And this motor acts as a generator under breaking, and a motor under acceleration. Hmmm, very smart.

basically how it works is that the alternator runs only during braking and charges the (oversized) battery, under normal driving accessories,etc run off the battery

[Neb]

Here is a semi review - first time in the US - BMW experience event.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1186

[anycee]

Why does BMw have to ruin this car by making it so fat? I'd LOVE to make this car my first dive into the BMW world, but at 3400+ pounds why bother.

My thoughts exactly. I was hoping for closer to 3000: 3400 unladen is... disappointing.

[blue mountain raider]

people that will actually buy or lease the m3 wont give a rats ass about how much it weights though.

[TenzoR]

They are releasing a M3 CSL for "real drivers" with less gadgets. I guess they are covering all basis (but to be honest they just want more money).

[maniacshopper]

while everyone's arguing about 135i being faster than 335i. It is not. If you think about it, if bmw made the 135 faster than a 335 on a quarter mile run. Don't you think it will canabalize sales?

They made it the same times. Like how Porsche made the Cayman slower than the Carrera. The Cayman's chassis is so much faster potentially. They slowed it down being suspension design.

I'd prefer the 335i, but can't afford it.

[TenzoR]

while everyone's arguing about 135i being faster than 335i. It is not. If you think about it, if bmw made the 135 faster than a 335 on a quarter mile run. Don't you think it will canabalize sales?

They made it the same times. Like how Porsche made the Cayman slower than the Carrera. The Cayman's chassis is so much faster potentially. They slowed it down being suspension design.

I'd prefer the 335i, but can't afford it.

they are targeted at different market ...

[Spray]

Thank you, someone who finally understands. It's so dissapointing to see that BMW has completely sold out and has gone for mainstream sales rather than even making an attempt at a driver's car. I dont understand how they could make this car so damn heavy.

My thoughts exactly. I was hoping for closer to 3000: 3400 unladen is... disappointing.