Possible? gaining muscle/body weight of 30lb in 50 days ?

[Dami]

My name is Dami and I'm 5'9'' & 132lb.
I've got time & money and wanna gain 30lb and look good before my college starts. If 30lb is not possible then as much as I can. I have high metabolism and even though I eat a lot of meat and carbs I dont see any results. Would be nice if I could get some eating plan from you guys. And what kind of workouts should i start.

- Thanks

p.s. I dont want to use any unhealthy drugs

[kleptodathief]

looks like ur pretty 'skinny' ... will b VERY HARD for u to put on 30lbs muscle in 50days....prolly in a year u can get those 30lbs... u'll have to put in alot of calories per day and hit the gym HARD AND INTENSE... ie heavy heavy weights

GL


ps. u can also go the barry way too ;) :cheesygri

[nolimtzel]

its hardly but not possible with noob gains..
try the 70/25/5 diet with a 5 days a week full body workout.
70% of ur intake is protein
25% fat(health fats like omega-3-6-9, nuts)
5% carbs (have these in the morning and after workout)

full body split routine
go to the gym start off with the heaviest workouts first like squars, rows and bench since they are compound exercises that workout multiple muscle groups. then when u get tired u go to isolation exercises like curls, dips, and weighted crunches.

after each workout u do 20min of HITT
High Intensity Interval Training
this mean u run at 80% of heart rate for 30secs followed by a walk for 15secs
followed by run at 80% and so on until u cant anymore!
must be atleast 6 or 7min to be effective.

make shure u research on creatine as it will greatly aid in muscle building.
dont be sucked into the fad marketing..ur typical gnc brand creatine and protein supplement work just as great as ur brand name high end ones.

make shure u get atleast 7 hours of sleep per night
drink lots of water LOTS i mean LOTS

[Mintmaster]

its hardly but not possible with noob gains..
try the 70/25/5 diet with a 5 days a week full body workout.
70% of ur intake is protein
25% fat(health fats like omega-3-6-9, nuts)
5% carbs (have these in the morning and after workout)Are you freaking CRAZY?

This guy want to gain weight fast and needs tons of calories (2500-3000). How the hell can he do that with 70% of his diet from protein? What do your percentages mean anyway? Percent of calories? Percent of mass? With the latter he'd still have to, for example, drink 2L of milk, 3 typical scoops of protein powder, and eat 2lbs of meat a day on average! As % of calories it'd be even more.

Dami, forget about this ridiculous advice (other than the sleep and water, which is true). Try to get 100-150g of protein a day, but the most important thing is to get your calorie intake high without gorging on fats. Workout specifics don't really matter, as long as you keep going consistently and work out your whole body.

Don't expect a miracle. Your body type can't gain that much lean mass so quickly. I'm also 5'9" and have weighed 125-150lbs over the years. I can tell you from personal experience that fat will just melt off your body whenever you want with a temporary calorie reduction (you play sports, right?), so don't be alarmed if you put some on.

The weight gain is the hard part, even when part of it is fat. You just have to eat like a madman. I personally can't really stand eating so much so consistently, so I'm settling for much slower gains.

[poedua]

its hardly but not possible with noob gains..
try the 70/25/5 diet with a 5 days a week full body workout.

Nice try.

With a full body workout - the most you can train is 4X in 7 days ...with days in between for rest.


70% of ur intake is protein
25% fat(health fats like omega-3-6-9, nuts)
5% carbs (have these in the morning and after workout)

70/25/5 ? Iinteresting.

O.K - I'll bite.

Since most of a weight training session is fueled by carbs, and since most of HIIT training ( below ) is also fueled by carbs and since even low intensity cardio also uses carbs - why the heck is carbs only 5 % ........when it should be more like 60% +/- ?

full body split routine
go to the gym start off with the heaviest workouts first like squars, rows and bench since they are compound exercises that workout multiple muscle groups. then when u get tired u go to isolation exercises like curls, dips, and weighted crunches.

after each workout u do 20min of HITT
High Intensity Interval Training
this mean u run at 80% of heart rate for 30secs followed by a walk for 15secs
followed by run at 80% and so on until u cant anymore!
must be atleast 6 or 7min to be effective.

If he is trying to ADD weight asap - why should he do HIIT ?

HIIT optimizes fat / weight LOSS...not weight GAIN.

make shure u research on creatine as it will greatly aid in muscle building.
dont be sucked into the fad marketing..ur typical gnc brand creatine and protein supplement work just as great as ur brand name high end ones.

Let's see if you know what you're talking about.

How does it do that exactly ?

[kleptodathief]

to put it simple: hes gotta eat a CHITLOAD everyday, and workout HEAVY AND INTENSE training...also use some key supplements like gakic/creatine,etc..

GL OP

o , NO PAIN, NO GAIN!!!

[Insane_Pikachu]

I was 5'9 125 lbs. I did a hardcore workout routine with a good diet and now i am 150lbs..in 6 months...i doubt you'll gain like 30 lbs in 50 days or w/e.

[poedua]

to put it simple: hes gotta eat a CHITLOAD everyday, and workout HEAVY AND INTENSE training...also use some key supplements like gakic/creatine,etc..

GL OP

o , NO PAIN, NO GAIN!!!

Myth.

[Mel Boracis]

My name is Dami and I'm 5'9'' & 132lb.
I've got time & money and wanna gain 30lb and look good before my college starts. If 30lb is not possible then as much as I can. I have high metabolism and even though I eat a lot of meat and carbs I dont see any results. Would be nice if I could get some eating plan from you guys. And what kind of workouts should i start.

- Thanks

p.s. I dont want to use any unhealthy drugs

If you've got time and money, why don't you get a personal trainer. The people here can help but you'll likely benefit working one on one with someone who can get to know you, devise a schedule and chart your progress.

[icecold2021]

My name is Dami and I'm 5'9'' & 132lb.
I've got time & money and wanna gain 30lb and look good before my college starts.

30lbs in 50 days is certainly possible - although most wont be lean mass, so dont expect to look "good."

[azn_dan]

:lol: 30lbs in 50 days is certainly possible - although most wont be lean mass, so dont expect to look "good."

True that! More to the point is that you have 2 options:

1) Gain 30lbs and be alittle bit more out of shape then anything

2) Work out and just eat right (with the intent to gain weight ), and being optimistic, you could hit 145 and look good.

Since you said you got the money, why not get me to train you :lol:

[FerrisB]

Myth.

That's what fat people say, if you're not at least a little uncomfortable and working hard you aren't doing much. Workout intensity is everything

There is no way he's going to gain 30lbs of anything in 50 days if he's only 132lbs. It's not realistic. 30lbs over a year of sustained, smart hard work, maybe.

Lift weights 3-4 times a week and eat like a madman. Forget cardio for a while. Eat calorie rich foods and sit on your ass when you're not at the gym.

You're looking for a quick easy answer and there isn't one. Start working hard now and you'll look like you want to in a year or two.

[MtX]

Can anyone here list a good meal plan?

I'm kinda in the same boat and I want to gain 20lbs in the fastest amount of time possible, but it's hard to eat a meal every 3 hours when you're out of the house for 8-9 hours straight.....

[poedua]

That's what fat people say, if you're not at least a little uncomfortable and working hard you aren't doing much. Workout intensity is everything

Actually, I advocate intensity all the time. However, intensity is not synonymous with pain.

So, the whole notion that you have to actually experience physical pain in order to makes gains in mass is - in fact - a myth.



There is no way he's going to gain 30lbs of anything in 50 days if he's only 132lbs. It's not realistic. 30lbs over a year of sustained, smart hard work maybe.

I never suggested otherwise.

Lift weights 3-4 times a week and eat like a madman. Forget cardio for a while. Eat calorie rich foods and sit on your ass when you're not at the gym.

Brilliant.:rolleyes:

[FerrisB]

Brilliant.:rolleyes:

By sit on his ass I meant don't be very active, Did you really think I was telling him to sit in a chair to gain weight? :rolleyes:

He said he has a high metabolism and has trouble gaining weight. So would you recommend he continue participating in sports like soccer and long distance running while his goal is to gain mass, nothing more?

[poedua]

He said he has a high metabolism and has trouble gaining weight. So would you recommend he continue participating in sports like soccer and long distance running while his goal is to gain mass, nothing more?

Frankly, I don't think intense weight training should be the ONLY form of exercise people should do - regardless of what their goals are. Especially gym rats. There's room for sports, cardio etc, in any gym rat's exercise protocol IMO...whether you are trying to gain weight or lose weight.

The idea is to be healthy ...as well as fit.

I know a competition body builder and while he's bulking that is PRECISELY what he does.

I known a lot of guys over the years who've competed as body builder's as well - and many of them have done varying degrees of cardio..... all year long.

[FerrisB]

The idea is to be healthy ...as well as fit.


Again, I'm giving him advice based on his goal. To gain as much weight in as short a time period as possible. I stand by my statement that if he wants to do that he needs to limit some if not all of his cardio activity, especially if he has a high metabolism and is thin naturally.

Is that the healthiest thing to do? Of course not. Will it help him to gain weight? Absolutely. Someone who's asking how to gain 30 pounds in less than 2 months so they can 'look good for college' doesn't sound overly concerned about health :)

If you know competition body builders then you know that what they do has absolutely nothing to do with maintaining a healthy body.

To the OP, you need to reassess your goals. Educate yourself and decide to make some permanent changes. Read and discuss until you realize how crazy wanting to gain 30lbs in 50 days is. Then your journey can begin :cheesygri

[UrbanPoet]

I known a lot of guys over the years who've competed as body builder's as well - and many of them have done varying degrees of cardio..... all year long.

everyone has their own style tho...
for example Role coleman and lee priest eat nothing but french fries, fried chicken, and random crap like that during bulks...

On the other hand we have anal ppl like Dorian Yates that have perfect diets with everything measured in cups and spoons.

[kleptodathief]

urban poet: u DO know all those HUGE pro bodybuilders r JUICED UP??:confused: u CANNOT b that big and ripped without some form of BALCO :D

[Hunt]

30lbs of lean mass in 50 days is not possible. It's probably not even possibly in 1 year. 2 years would be a more realistic goal. That's with a completely natural diet.

If you want to go the synthetic way, 12 weeks and you could put on 30lbs. You'd better have a healthy bank account though.

[awesome-o]

what's in 50 days? want to impress the ladies on your first day of school?

1 pound = 3'500 calories
30 pounds = 105'000 calories
105'000 calories / 50 days = 2'100 calories/day

Assuming your BMR is 2'000 calories, you would need to eat 4'100 calories per day to achieve this weight gain based on diet alone. if you exercise, your BMR goes up and you would need to eat even more.

I hope you don't try it, because the only ways to gain that much weight would be very dangerous to your health.

[HoTnickZ]

You mean gain fat right?

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1268956

[FerrisB]

Gaining 30lbs of anything is 50 days = laughable

Gaining 30lbs of lean body mass in 50 days = hilarious

being 5'9''/132lbs and asking that question = priceless

[kleptodathief]

wow hes 5'9 and 132? i bet hes a fan of nicole ritchie,kate moss,kelly rippa :?:

well if he ate 3 jars of mayo each day he'll get up to his goal :D

[bobbings]

Gaining 30lbs of anything is 50 days = laughable

Gaining 30lbs of lean body mass in 50 days = hilarious

being 5'9''/132lbs and asking that question = priceless

lol that was funny!

but to be honest, gaining 30 pounds in 50 days is not possible considering how you have a high metabolism rate. you can't just all of a sudden gain fat like there's no tomorrow. even if you work out, you're only going to be more rip and defined. doing cardio is only going to keep you in shape. to gain weight, you need to eat a lot and i mean A LOT! my brother is 5'11'' and he's 140lbs. he can't gain weight either no matter how hard he tries. it's in your body to be fat or skinny. maybe when you're middle aged you'll gain those pounds or possibly take up world of warcraft the way southpark did. remember, eating viciously and eating before you sleep can get you some pounds but it's going to bring your health down.

[poedua]

wow hes 5'9 and 132? i bet hes a fan of nicole ritchie,kate moss,kelly rippa :?:

well if he ate 3 jars of mayo each day he'll get up to his goal :D

If his goal is to be the youngest person to get a coronary by-pass (i.e 3 jars of mayo each day ) .....I'd agree !:)

[Smashy]

Are you freaking CRAZY?

This guy want to gain weight fast and needs tons of calories (2500-3000). How the hell can he do that with 70% of his diet from protein? What do your percentages mean anyway? Percent of calories? Percent of mass? With the latter he'd still have to, for example, drink 2L of milk, 3 typical scoops of protein powder, and eat 2lbs of meat a day on average! As % of calories it'd be even more.

Dami, forget about this ridiculous advice (other than the sleep and water, which is true). Try to get 100-150g of protein a day, but the most important thing is to get your calorie intake high without gorging on fats. Workout specifics don't really matter, as long as you keep going consistently and work out your whole body.

Don't expect a miracle. Your body type can't gain that much lean mass so quickly. I'm also 5'9" and have weighed 125-150lbs over the years. I can tell you from personal experience that fat will just melt off your body whenever you want with a temporary calorie reduction (you play sports, right?), so don't be alarmed if you put some on.

The weight gain is the hard part, even when part of it is fat. You just have to eat like a madman. I personally can't really stand eating so much so consistently, so I'm settling for much slower gains.

Just to clarify, a gram of protein and a gram of carbs each give 4 calories.

[f00kie]

wow hes 5'9 and 132? i bet hes a fan of nicole ritchie,kate moss,kelly rippa :?:

well if he ate 3 jars of mayo each day he'll get up to his goal :D

I am between 5'7 and 5'8 and I weigh between 118-123. While its hard to find clothes that fit, I do not consider myself too skinny, or underweight. I probably eat as much as anyone on a given day.

[UrbanPoet]

urban poet: u DO know all those HUGE pro bodybuilders r JUICED UP??:confused: u CANNOT b that big and ripped without some form of BALCO :D

even so... they still have crazy work ethics, and dedication.
Even Dorian Yates as a teen before his competitive body building, he was HUGE...

[kleptodathief]

oh i agree urban... they do WORKOUT very hard and have strict diets/routines wot not...but they r still JUICED UP...there's no denying that pt.... u don't just take roids and get huge, u still gotta work ur a55 off

well hopefully u got my pt :confused:

[UrbanPoet]

oh i agree urban... they do WORKOUT very hard and have strict diets/routines wot not...but they r still JUICED UP...there's no denying that pt.... u don't just take roids and get huge, u still gotta work ur a55 off

well hopefully u got my pt :confused:

yeh... I just hope your not one of those people that think "oh.. anyone can take roids and look like that!"

I remember seeing one online forum discussion where this kid took so many roids, and he didnt even get that big!

[marcroboy]

I'm just curious, what age group are you guys? I'm 18 years old turning 19. Personally, I went from 135 to 148 last year by just eating a lot and playing a lot of sports. My speed and vertical jumps stayed the same if not better, so I don't think I had gained a lot of fat. Also, I didn't grow any taller unfortunately.

I've started a full body workout recently that consists of simple and beginner's exercises. So my question is: Is it possible for me to get easy newbie gains like some poster mentioned earlier, considering that I've already gone thru a weight gaining cycle? My goal is to reach maybe 155 or higher in a month through by just working out my quads . chest , back and shoulders. Is it realistic with just these simple exercises without taking any supplements?

[FerrisB]

I'm just curious, what age group are you guys? I'm 18 years old turning 19. Personally, I went from 135 to 148 last year by just eating a lot and playing a lot of sports. My speed and vertical jumps stayed the same if not better, so I don't think I had gained a lot of fat. Also, I didn't grow any taller unfortunately.

I've started a full body workout recently that consists of simple and beginner's exercises. So my question is: Is it possible for me to get easy newbie gains like some poster mentioned earlier, considering that I've already gone thru a weight gaining cycle? My goal is to reach maybe 155 or higher in a month through by just working out my quads . chest , back and shoulders. Is it realistic with just these simple exercises without taking any supplements?

What is it with people wanting to do everything in a month!?

No no no. You will NOT gain 7lbs of lean mass in a month. 15lbs of lean mass in a year (20lbs with the fat gained) would be more realistic given your weight. That's if you're new to working out and you know what you're doing with your exercising and your diet.

Think about it. If you could gain 7lbs in a month, that's 84lbs over a year! It's completely impossible.

People quit exercising because they get frustrated when they haven't reached the ridiculous goals they set for themselves. Set yourself a goal of gaining 8-10lbs in 6 months.

btw, I'm 30.

[winner2000]

what's in 50 days? want to impress the ladies on your first day of school?

That's exactly what I was thinking...sounds like a HUGE plan for disaster right off the bat.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the OP hasn't posted in this thread since he started it sixteen days ago....either he's already found another plan, or he gave up. So you guys can really stop arguing amongst each other now (AKA trying to prove to everyone that you're smarter/more knowledgable) and stop poking fun at the OP....

[poedua]

What is it with people wanting to do everything in a month!?

No no no. You will NOT gain 7lbs of lean mass in a month. 15lbs of lean mass in a year (20lbs with the fat gained) would be more realistic given your weight. That's if you're new to working out and you know what you're doing with your exercising and your diet.

Think about it. If you could gain 7lbs in a month, that's 84lbs over a year! It's completely impossible.

People quit exercising because they get frustrated when they haven't reached the ridiculous goals they set for themselves. Set yourself a goal of gaining 8-10lbs in 6 months.

btw, I'm 30.

Well said.

It all boils down to setting realistic expectations and then learning how to manage those expectations.

[masterhapposai]

What is it with people wanting to do everything in a month!?

No no no. You will NOT gain 7lbs of lean mass in a month. 15lbs of lean mass in a year (20lbs with the fat gained) would be more realistic given your weight. That's if you're new to working out and you know what you're doing with your exercising and your diet.

Think about it. If you could gain 7lbs in a month, that's 84lbs over a year! It's completely impossible.

People quit exercising because they get frustrated when they haven't reached the ridiculous goals they set for themselves. Set yourself a goal of gaining 8-10lbs in 6 months.

btw, I'm 30.

I've done 175 to 220 in roughly 6 months to a year, and it was very painful the amount of food I had to eat.

I got so sick of eating so much food I don't want to do it again. I dropped all that weight off and don't care anymore about gaining weight.

The only question I do have for you guys, is when are you supposed to do all this massive working out? It's such a waste of time. I'm considering moving it to 15 minutes in the mornings and that's about it. I wonder if that's enough.

[marcroboy]

What is it with people wanting to do everything in a month!?

No no no. You will NOT gain 7lbs of lean mass in a month. 15lbs of lean mass in a year (20lbs with the fat gained) would be more realistic given your weight. That's if you're new to working out and you know what you're doing with your exercising and your diet.

Think about it. If you could gain 7lbs in a month, that's 84lbs over a year! It's completely impossible.

People quit exercising because they get frustrated when they haven't reached the ridiculous goals they set for themselves. Set yourself a goal of gaining 8-10lbs in 6 months.

btw, I'm 30.

Ok.. maybe I came out a lil' bit strong. I'm on my first formal training program, using actual gym equipments; furthermore I was under the impression that the growth in the begining stage would be fast untill it plateaus. In addition, I was hoping my shoulder would get wider by gaining some bone mass(wishful thinking perhaps).
Btw, if I play 1-2 hrs of basketball 2-3 days a week while doing leg workouts(not on the same day), will it hurt my gain significantly?

[johnnyepy]

dude just eat big macs all day, I'm 20 ,5'11 and 175 lbs thats what I do, I used to be 200ish but thats when I wasn't playing any sports or even going out.

[Hunt]

From what I've noticed, RFD is a very poor choice to go to for fitness advice. Too many people think they know what they're talking about. Try a fitness oriented website for fitness info. Diet, try www.johnberardi.com/articles, for workout programs try www.t-nation.com.

The info is there, you'll just have to search for it instead of it being handed to you on a silver platter.

If you're confused about an exercise, check out http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html. It's a list of exercises for each muscle group.

[skewed]

Work out programs at this site are decent as well.

http://www.myfit.ca/fitnessprograms/viewall.asp?contains=free_fitness_programs

[kleptodathief]

to the guy who went from 175 to 220 in 6months...is that all muscles or that was just basically pigging out and NOT working out???

for me, since im a small ayshun dood :D, i have a hard time to GAIN 'any' weight ... prolly cuz i xpend more calories then i take in.... 2jobs wot not... but i guess if u eat eat and don't do much physical work..u'll gain weight easily :confused:


for me, its still hard to maintain my 150lb frame at 5'7 13% body fat ... if i can get up to 160i'd b happy :)

[FerrisB]

From what I've noticed, RFD is a very poor choice to go to for fitness advice. Too many people think they know what they're talking about.

Agreed. There are a lot of people with opinions on 1) Losing a significant amount of weight and 2) Gaining lean muscle mass, when they haven't done either in their lifetime. They're parroting what they've heard or read and it's often inaccurate information, or accurate information used out of context.

[FerrisB]

I've done 175 to 220 in roughly 6 months to a year, and it was very painful the amount of food I had to eat.
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I don't believe you, period. First off, someone who's making a definite effort to gain weight knows exactly how long it took them to gain. They're always on the scale. Your 'roughly 6 months to a year' is suspicious off that bat.

I can believe you gained that much in a year if most of it was fat, but I can't imagine someone trying to get fat, So I'm assuming you're saying most of it was muscle mass. Fat is a lot easier to put on than muscle, thats the big difference. So again, I call BS. Post neck down before and after pics and make me look like a fool.

*edit* unless you did steroids, in that case it's somewhat plausible.

[masterhapposai]

I don't believe you, period. First off, someone who's making a definite effort to gain weight knows exactly how long it took them to gain. They're always on the scale. Your 'roughly 6 months to a year' is suspicious off that bat.

I can believe you gained that much in a year if most of it was fat, but I can't imagine someone trying to get fat, So I'm assuming you're saying most of it was muscle mass. Fat is a lot easier to put on than muscle, thats the big difference. So again, I call BS. Post neck down before and after pics and make me look like a fool.

*edit* unless you did steroids, in that case it's somewhat plausible.

eh..., actors have done much more hardcore changes, look at christian bale

It was a lot of muscle, but of course some fat. I don't see why guys these days freak out over fat, you're going to get yourself killed young without healthy fats.

I can't remember the exact time because the up and down was so quick, and I don't measure calories like you guys, I don't even own a weight scale. I just stuffed food down my throat, pretty simple stuff. I don't care if you don't believe it. I guess I'll ask my questions about working out elsewhere.

I'm 6'1" and dropping weight rapidly right now.

Things to eat to gain weight(you'll gain a very healthy portion of muscle mass from the following):
-cabbage
-broccoli
-rice
-red meat
-pork
-whole wheat breads
-all parts of the chicken
-lots of beans

things to lose weight:
-salads
-chicken breast
-apple cider vinegar
-olive oil
-vitamin C
-lemons

If you ever looked up the Spartan (yah the guys in 300) diet, you'd notice all they ate was pork stew, onions, wheat, and probably beans. And they were built like tanks and could cover hundreds of miles on foot quicker than other infantry, while carrying heavy weight loads.

Natural food isn't bad for you.

That being said, my new diet is a lot of whey proteins and the foods I listed under losing weight. Being heavy is just disgusting and thinner people live longer.

[masterhapposai]

to the guy who went from 175 to 220 in 6months...is that all muscles or that was just basically pigging out and NOT working out???

for me, since im a small ayshun dood :D, i have a hard time to GAIN 'any' weight ... prolly cuz i xpend more calories then i take in.... 2jobs wot not... but i guess if u eat eat and don't do much physical work..u'll gain weight easily :confused:


for me, its still hard to maintain my 150lb frame at 5'7 13% body fat ... if i can get up to 160i'd b happy :)

I'm lazy at working out, so no I didn't really work out.

However, I managed to survive in sports really well and actually was angry at the players who went to the gym every day and were lagging behind causing my team to lose.

I attribute the natural athletic state to olive oil in my food. I see olives to humans as oil is to cars. Cars can run on gas, humans on food, but they both need oil to go.

Healthy fats for the win.

You can do it, but the question is, are you prepared for the risks? You could seriously damage your body if your frame wasn't meant for the size, such as breaking your ankle, foot, or wrists in sports with too much weight on your frame. Or worse, a heart attack because your heart can't support the weight or the influx of fatty foods.

As you may have noticed by now, I do the mediterranean diet as well as I can. And sometimes lean towards the Crete diet in particular. When building mass I turn to italian and spartan style diets.

[FerrisB]

eh..., actors have done much more hardcore changes, look at christian bale

It was a lot of muscle, but of course some fat. I don't see why guys these days freak out over fat, you're going to get yourself killed young without healthy fats.

I can't remember the exact time because the up and down was so quick, and I don't measure calories like you guys, I don't even own a weight scale. I just stuffed food down my throat, pretty simple stuff. I don't care if you don't believe it. I guess I'll ask my questions about working out elsewhere.

I'm 6'1" and dropping weight rapidly right now.

Things to eat to gain weight(you'll gain a very healthy portion of muscle mass from the following):
-cabbage
-broccoli
-rice
-red meat
-pork
-whole wheat breads
-all parts of the chicken
-lots of beans

things to lose weight:
-salads
-chicken breast
-apple cider vinegar
-olive oil
-vitamin C
-lemons

If you ever looked up the Spartan (yah the guys in 300) diet, you'd notice all they ate was pork stew, onions, wheat, and probably beans. And they were built like tanks and could cover hundreds of miles on foot quicker than other infantry, while carrying heavy weight loads.

Natural food isn't bad for you.

That being said, my new diet is a lot of whey proteins and the foods I listed under losing weight. Being heavy is just disgusting and thinner people live longer.


Now I know you're full of it. You claim you gained 45lbs in 6 month to a year that was "a lot of muscle but some fat", and then you say this.:

I'm lazy at working out, so no I didn't really work out.

Also, apparently food is divided into 2 magic groups? Lose weight and gain weight? and broccoli and cabbage is for gaining, but white chicken meat and olive oil is for losing!? ROTFLMAO.

Then you seem to lose touch with reality.
If you ever looked up the Spartan (yah the guys in 300) diet, you'd notice all they ate was pork stew, onions, wheat, and probably beans. And they were built like tanks

Wow. You are aware.. that that movie wasn't a documentary, right? Soldiers weren't that big. They often starved and suffered because there wasn't enough food around. And they definitely weren't 'built like tanks'. What are you basing this statement on other than a fictional movie?

It annoys me to no end when people make stuff up, esp when it's someone asking for advice. It convolutes the advice people give with genuine knowledge on the subject.

About the only thing you said that made much sense was that healthy fats are good for you.

[df329]

I dunno I think he's right - olive oil is basically like steroids and you can get huge on it without working out even

[NiMSo]

I dunno I think he's right - olive oil is basically like steroids and you can get huge on it without working out even

No, it's the spinach that gets the strength!!! Olive Oyl just gets the heart racing and satisifes other needs... ;) :razz: :cheesygri

[nfnx]

guys be nice, hes a younger one trying to learn soemthing new.
forgive him for his inspirations.


myself, i stopped working out for about 6 months and lost 15 pounds =(
i went back to the gym recently and am lifting about 60 percent of my strength before... poeuda, is that about reasonable?

im taking a mass gainer/protein that supplies me with 900 calories per serving (4 scoops and 2% milk), taking it 2 times a day. in 5 days since starting to workout i've gained 4 pounds =)

i expect that to plateau in about a few more days, but so far, so good.

[masterhapposai]

Now I know you're full of it. You claim you gained 45lbs in 6 month to a year that was "a lot of muscle but some fat", and then you say this.:



Also, apparently food is divided into 2 magic groups? Lose weight and gain weight? and broccoli and cabbage is for gaining, but white chicken meat and olive oil is for losing!? ROTFLMAO.

Then you seem to lose touch with reality.


Wow. You are aware.. that that movie wasn't a documentary, right? Soldiers weren't that big. They often starved and suffered because there wasn't enough food around. And they definitely weren't 'built like tanks'. What are you basing this statement on other than a fictional movie?

It annoys me to no end when people make stuff up, esp when it's someone asking for advice. It convolutes the advice people give with genuine knowledge on the subject.

About the only thing you said that made much sense was that healthy fats are good for you.

I was being nice about it, but you don't quit eh, there's something wrong with you.

Cut the roids, they're getting to your head you rager.

If you spent some time reading up on history you'd notice the fallacy of your comments. A poorly fed soldier couldn't carry the weight of what they had to use daily and for long periods of time.

http://www.holycross.edu/departments/classics/dawhite/
Classics scholar and professor at California State University in Fresno, estimates of a hoplite�s panoply (his shield, helmet, breastplate, sword, spear, and greaves as seen on the left) weight range from fifty to seventy pounds

Wow, omg, the sick starving soldiers could stay in hoplite formation carrying up to 70+ pounds..

I'm definitely going to check out some real body building forums, thanks for the suggestions, Hunt.

There's nothing to learn here, carry on.

[FerrisB]

I was being nice about it, but you don't quit eh, there's something wrong with you.

Cut the roids, they're getting to your head you rager.

If you spent some time reading up on history you'd notice the fallacy of your comments. A poorly fed soldier couldn't carry the weight of what they had to use daily and for long periods of time.

http://www.holycross.edu/departments/classics/dawhite/


Wow, omg, the sick starving soldiers could stay in hoplite formation carrying up to 70+ pounds..


When supply lines were cut or logistically food wasn't making it to the front fast enough. YES they went hungry. So they carried 70lbs and worked all day. So did people in prison camps, They must have been HUUUGE too.

I love how thats the only thing you replied to. Your credibility is zero. Stop making a fool out of yourself.


I'm definitely going to check out some real body building forums, thanks for the suggestions, Hunt.

There's nothing to learn here, carry on.

What do you need to visit forums for? You can gain 40lbs of muscle in 6-12months by eating cabbage and broccoli and not exercising. If that's working for you stick with it.

[df329]

actually this forum has the most fitness and bodybuilding information out of any forum i've ever read.

[azn_dan]

actually this forum has the most fitness and bodybuilding information out of any forum i've ever read.

Even more then t-mag.com's???!!! :lol: :lol:

[FerrisB]

This one is pretty good. It's more well rounded so it's not just about putting on mass.

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/

[Venom]

Hi, I'm a kinesiologist, and i can tell you straight up that if you were to intake 2100kcal per day you'll have to burn that much in the gym, which is like almost 6 hours a day of full workouts, and even then you won't reach your goal successfully.

The best way to do this is to set a reasonable goal, and work out at a comfortable weight regiment. If you do a full work out and you feel like crap after, the chances are that your routine will never stick.

As per creatine, you won't gain any muscle mass. Creatine is a supplement which increases the water content into the muscle. You'll look ripped, although it would just be water mass. Also, I've personally had some bad experiences with creatine, so I promote a healthy diet with out supplements. If you do decide that creatine is the way for you, then there are techniques to using creatine. One method is to have sugar with your creatine supplements. Creatine has the same transporter as glucose into the muscle, so if you have a high glucose content into the blood, then you'll have an increased creatine intake into your muscle.

[van]

As per creatine, you won't gain any muscle mass. Creatine is a supplement which increases the water content into the muscle. You'll look ripped, although it would just be water mass.

You're a little off on a few things.

The water retention in the muscle will give it a bigger, more fuller look, but by no means will it make you look "ripped". Infact, if anything it will make you look a bit bloated. To look ripped, you'll have to cut bodyfat down to about 6%.

Also, creatine is well known for promoting muscle gains when lifting heavy. So if you haven't gained any muscle after a cycle, then it's obvious that you're doing something wrong. I've never experienced any side-effects when I'm on it (although some have), but I've always gained muscle mass after each cycle.

[df329]

Hi, I'm a kinesiologist, and i can tell you straight up that if you were to intake 2100kcal per day you'll have to burn that much in the gym, which is like almost 6 hours a day of full workouts, and even then you won't reach your goal successfully.

The best way to do this is to set a reasonable goal, and work out at a comfortable weight regiment. If you do a full work out and you feel like crap after, the chances are that your routine will never stick.

As per creatine, you won't gain any muscle mass. Creatine is a supplement which increases the water content into the muscle. You'll look ripped, although it would just be water mass. Also, I've personally had some bad experiences with creatine, so I promote a healthy diet with out supplements. If you do decide that creatine is the way for you, then there are techniques to using creatine. One method is to have sugar with your creatine supplements. Creatine has the same transporter as glucose into the muscle, so if you have a high glucose content into the blood, then you'll have an increased creatine intake into your muscle.

Oh nooo!! what was your bad experience with creatine?? your kidneys right?

[Hunt]

I always get a kick out of when people throw total calorie numbers around, with absolutely no idea of what they're talking about.

Hi, I'm a kinesiologist, and i can tell you straight up that if you were to intake 2100kcal per day you'll have to burn that much in the gym, which is like almost 6 hours a day of full workouts, and even then you won't reach your goal successfully.

If you were to actually take in 2100kcal in a day, and burn that many calories at the gym, you'd probably be extremely sick within a couple days. Just because you consume a certain number of calories a day, doesn't mean you have to burn that many in a workout. Other things contribute to calories burned in a day, like resting metabolic rate, thermic effect of food, thermogenesis, daily activities (non exercise), and exercising activities.

Here's a general guideline, if you're trying to lose weight, you should probably be around 2000-3000kcal per day (depending on size of person). It really does depend on what and when you eat too.


If you're trying to gain weight, you should be looking at 4000+. I've seen people say if you're trying to bulk, 'eats lots of food, like 2500 cals a day'. Check out http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/masseating_1.htm It'll give you a way to calculate a good number for trying to bulk.


Everyone is a nutritional expert it seems, too bad 90% of them aren't in shape...

[d0fuz]

Everyone is a nutritional expert it seems, too bad 90% of them aren't in shape...

Thread useless without pics.;)

[Venom]

You're a little off on a few things.

The water retention in the muscle will give it a bigger, more fuller look, but by no means will it make you look "ripped". Infact, if anything it will make you look a bit bloated. To look ripped, you'll have to cut bodyfat down to about 6%.

Also, creatine is well known for promoting muscle gains when lifting heavy. So if you haven't gained any muscle after a cycle, then it's obvious that you're doing something wrong. I've never experienced any side-effects when I'm on it (although some have), but I've always gained muscle mass after each cycle.

Hi van,

There are many studies out there with regards to creatine supplements and muscle gain, and it has been proven that their are no muscular improvements with creatine intake.

As per the 2100kcal comment, I meant that if he were to intake 2100 EXTRA kcal's ontop of his normal intake which would probably be around 2700kcal per day @ 45-65% carb, 20-35% fat and 10-20% protien, and expect to burn that at the gym its impossible unless he was training at an incredible rate.

I'm obviously not giving all the facts, but im giving him what he needs to know.

[Hunt]

Thread useless without pics.;)

+1

I already posted mine in the stickied weight loss thread at a user's request. I'm not genetically gifted either, I had to work my ass off.

[nfnx]

i put up 30 pounds in a year once =) haha

[nwmrkt]

lol 30llbs in 50 days.

[toalan]

The best I ever did was about 1-2 pounds a week, but that meant that for each workout I had to keep progressing and doing an extra few reps or another 5 lbs.

If you are shooting for 30 lbs in 50 days, if that is possible, you will need steroids, a fantastic diet, and to push yourself until you get injured.

Seriously if you never worked out a day in your life before, you are gonna need atleast 2 weeks to feel comfortable working out and watching other guys workout and seeing what they do. After your first intensive workout your will be sore for atlest a few days and will not want to workout until the soreness goes away.

[nfnx]

The best I ever did was about 1-2 pounds a week, but that meant that for each workout I had to keep progressing and doing an extra few reps or another 5 lbs.

If you are shooting for 30 lbs in 50 days, if that is possible, you will need steroids, a fantastic diet, and to push yourself until you get injured.

Seriously if you never worked out a day in your life before, you are gonna need atleast 2 weeks to feel comfortable working out and watching other guys workout and seeing what they do. After your first intensive workout your will be sore for atlest a few days and will not want to workout until the soreness goes away.



naw dont watch others, normally a lot of gym buffs have no idea what they are doing, do not substitute weight for form

[nfnx]

oh and btw , how much calories should i put on ??

i lost a ton of weight over the last year, about 20 pounds...

im only at 130 now, and im 5 ' 6.... which is about right for my small frame.

i want to pikc up about 15 pounds cause i was at 155 once and i think i was too fat. a lot of you will say 155 at 5'6 is not fat but trust me, it is for me. i like to stay proportional.

right now people say im about average with a medium build. dont look skinny and dont look fat. i havnt worked out for about 5 months and have lost some of my size (but i think some of that has to do with my poor dieting).

anyways i want to gain some weight as i head back to the gym now ... how much is a decet calorie target to aim for?