Parking on own driveway $50 ticket!

[Jonny3k1]

I just got ticket for $50 for parking on the little piece of driveway after
the sidewalk wtf? Not only that, it was 2:40am in the morning, why would this guy be out that late giving out tickets? Now i cant park on the road infront of my house or the drive way? Can someone tell me if this is legal.

thanks.

Ticket says (Park on Boulevard between roadway and sidewalk)

[ZenOps]

Dunno, maybe it was a fogger or maybe a pest control truck.

Here in Calgary they are allowed to tow away your car (even in front of your own house) if they happen to be doing the annual streetcleaning of the winter salt and rocks on the road.

It always clearly marked though which neighborhoods are due for streetcleaning, and never last more than two days.

[Hairball]

You can park your car on your driveway, but it just can't be over either the road or sidewalk. (I'm not sure the legality on the piece of driveway between the road and sidewalk though)

They have lots of bylaw officers going after people who park on the streets at night, so this isn't a surprise or anything.

[DragonZealot]

I think you property line ends at the sidewalk. Anything beyond that is city property.

Yes park on Boulevard is an offense but this fine should be $30 in TO only not 50.

http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/parking/regulations.htm


Normally they won't ticket you unless someone complained.

[Jonny3k1]

that all might be true, so what am i suppose to do about parking? Not trying to sound rude. I dont get this system at all.

example: My brother does work at Sunnybrook hospital and got tickets for 15$ for parking in the lot without a permit...I get a $50 ticket for parking on my own property?

[knapper]

that all might be true, so what am i suppose to do about parking? Not trying to sound rude. I dont get this system at all.

example: My brother does work at Sunnybrook hospital and got tickets for 15$ for parking in the lot without a permit...I get a $50 ticket for parking on my own property?


Hate to tell you, but that ain't your property. If you have a water shutoff on your front lawn that is a good indication of where your property ends (the shutoff will be just outside of the property line, so the city can shut it off without trespassing).

[Jonny3k1]

water shut off? just got a tree there......Anyways i'm going to trail because how the F am i suppose to know all of this? Back to my point

$50 infront of my own house VS $15 Hospital prakinglot?

At least at a hospital they have signs posted every 2 meters to pay.

[ShadowVlican]

was your car blocking the sidewalk? even partially? if so...... then that's the reason why you were ticketed by the pig

[HUH]

There seems to be a new law for parking in your driveway, or at least for us. On our street, we are not allowed to park slightly diagonally on our driveways, the car has to be facing straight to the garage, or else tickets will be issued. It's supposed to make the neighborhood looks "cleaner".

Not sure if that's the case for your neighborhood

[Jonny3k1]

was your car blocking the sidewalk? even partially? if so...... then that's the reason why you were ticketed by the pig

No to even a litte. I park there 2 time a week for the last 3 years, I only park there when i close (1:30-10:00) I soo mad because this is all of a sudden for no reason.

[PurpleTiger]

water shut off? just got a tree there......Anyways i'm going to trail because how the F am i suppose to know all of this? Back to my point

$50 infront of my own house VS $15 Hospital prakinglot?

At least at a hospital they have signs posted every 2 meters to pay.
The point is that this likely wasn't on your property, that's why you got ticketed. The comparison you are making is irrelevant.

What's wrong with parking in your driveway, between the sidewalk and your house (on your property)?

[pintobean]

...Back to my point

$50 infront of my own house VS $15 Hospital prakinglot?

At least at a hospital they have signs posted every 2 meters to pay.
Yeah but the hospital parking lot is on private property and therefore they set their own rates. You can't complain that Sunnybrook only charges $15 for parking illegally, because that has no bearing on what the City of Toronto chooses to charge.

was your car blocking the sidewalk? even partially? if so...... then that's the reason why you were ticketed by the pig
He has clearly said that the ticket was for "parking on the boulevard". If he was ticketed for blocking the sidewalk, then the ticket would have been "stop on/over sidewalk/footpath".

Anyways i'm going to trail because how the F am i suppose to know all of this?
If you decide to fight your ticket on the grounds that you were unaware of the parking bylaws, it is unlikely that you'll win unless you happen to catch someone having a good day. Remember the saying "ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking the law"?

I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of the bylaw to see exactly where you're allowed and not allowed to park. If you're able to point out that the bylaw is hard to understand and that there was no signage on your street and that you were simply parked at the bottom of your own driveway, then you'll have a good chance of success.

Good luck!

[The Destroyer]

I've had a vehicle ticketed for this as well. It is true, the piece of driveway between the road n sidewalk (boulevard) are off limits for parking as they are owned by the town (in most towns). I know it sucks, but thats the law, just pay it and don't do it again is all I can say.

[CSK'sMom]

Every city and municipality has a bylaw covering parking on the boulevard and over the sidewalk. It's not allowable as it blocks people walking. It's enforced everywhere as walkers should not have to walk out into the road to get around your vehicle. Not even an inch of your vehicle can be hanging over the sidewalk. Good luck trying to fight it, most cities now use collection agencies to collect unpaid parking tickets. ;)

[knapper]

If you're able to point out that the bylaw is hard to understand and that there was no signage on your street and that you were simply parked at the bottom of your own driveway, then you'll have a good chance of success.

I don't think signage will work as a defense. Cities/regions don't put speed limit signs on residential roads, other than exceptions (e.g. school zone), but they still ticket based on 50 km/h.

Sometimes there are signs on major roads entering a city advising of general speed and parking restrictions, but I am sure they are not required for enforcement.

[Jonny3k1]

note i'm not the only one doing this ("i'm not a criminal") in the neighbour hood doing
this there is at least 3 other houses i pass in the morning to get onto the main road that park on the ""Boulevard""

Just a question anyone else ever get a ticket 2:40am infront of there house?(this is soo new to me that they give tickes in the middle of the night)
I dont live downtown or anywhere near. If it was there i would understand.

people this is just my furstration speaking, dont get mad at me. thanks.

[The Destroyer]

note i'm not the only one doing this ("i'm not a criminal") in the neighbour hood doing
this there is at least 3 other houses i pass in the morning to get onto the main road that park on the ""Boulevard""

Just a question anyone else ever get a ticket 2:40am infront of there house?(this is soo new to me that they give tickes in the middle of the night)
I dont live downtown or anywhere near. If it was there i would understand.

people this is just my furstration speaking, dont get mad at me. thanks.
As I said, I have gotten a ticket and it was around 3am similar time. The parking officers are usually out in the middle of the night. If you park on the street anywhere from 2am to 7pm from November to April you get a $60 ticket. Just got to play by the rules and learn from your mistakes.

[alkaseltzer01]

The blvd is city property. You keep thinking it's your property but it's not.

It sucks, I agree. "where are you suppose to park?". The street, paying for a street permit from the city. Must be a conspiracy.

[herbie08]

I got the same ticket for the same offense two years ago. And that was at 7:00pm in the evening (about twenty minutes after I parked). I did not park the car on our driveway portion because we had guest over and both spot were taken. So I parked on the section between the sidewalk and the road.
I was like wtf as on my street, most people do park on the part of the driveway. By law, we don't own it, but of course we have to shuffle it in the winter, mow the lawn beside it if you have grass there. It is ridiculous. Good luck fighting it. Do note the you pay $30 if you pay within a certain time and $50 if you pay after that period. If you fight the ticket and lost, you are paying the higher amount plus an admin fee. To me it was not worth it plus parking tickets do not effect your insurance so no harm on that front. But it does suck! (Beware, they tend to hand out more of these tickets during month end to meet their quota)

[saw_mui]

In Markham, if you live in one of those houses which has the sidewalk splitting your driveway, you can park your car on the section that's below the sidewalk, as long as, your FRONT TIRES are not ON in the sidewalk (the location of the bumpers have nothing to do with this apparently).

You are also allowed to park your car PARALLEL (to the road) on this section. There are no by-laws restricting this but they plan to draft one in the near future.

All this was confirmed by a by-law officer that I spoke with last week when he was on my street giving parking tickets.

[Jonny3k1]

Thanks for all the replys everyone....I have calmed down and decided to just pay the stupid thing............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .

[boyoflondon]

I've gotten the same ticket at my friends house. At his house, the piece between the sidewalk and the actual street is so big, you can park 2 cars there side by side. I come out and find a ticket. Take it down to the center to complain only to find out that its illegal to park on that part of the driveway and the lady told me that the only time they will give out tickets is:

- if someone calls in
- if the commissioner is a real a$$hole ...

[Bullseye]

If you and others are routinely doing this, you can expect that the parking enforcement will start coming to check more regularly now.

I've been ticketed for this as well, without knowing it was not allowed. Oh well, lesson learned, was my thought. Another one I got was for parking on the street facing the wrong way. Just didn't know it was wrong. I was a new-ish driver for both, I guess we all have to have these expensive lessons once.

[Jonny3k1]

Well i think you are right boyoflondon, I am pretty shure i know who called
it in. Ha Ha oh well.

[lochlan651]

On the issue of the 2:40am thing.

On my street, you can park on one side the 1st-15th of the month, the other side on the 16-end of the month.

Every month, at about 1am on the 1st and the 16th, the parking guy is out giving tickets.

[ShadowVlican]

On the issue of the 2:40am thing.

On my street, you can park on one side the 1st-15th of the month, the other side on the 16-end of the month.

Every month, at about 1am on the 1st and the 16th, the parking guy is out giving tickets.
so that's where our tax money goes..... into making ******** bylaws like that...

it's so obvious it's a cash grab

[EH100501AC]

I've parked on that little part of the driveway between the sidewalk and road. It should be part of your driveway still. I think as long as you don't block the sidewalk, you should be able to park there. Basically a perfect parallel park kinda thing. Don't have your car sticking out on the road or the sidewalk and it should be fine.

[UncleSteve]

If you and others are routinely doing this, you can expect that the parking enforcement will start coming to check more regularly now.

For those that live in the City of Toronto, I wouldn't be surprised to see a much higher level of parking enforcement over the next while, given the city's financial position.

By my rough guestimate, one parking enforcement officer working 8 hour shifts could generate between 750,000 and 1,000,000 in gross revenue per year.

[IoannI]

Believe it or nor not it is legal to get a parking ticket on your own driveway. It usually happens when you have a mutual driveway with your neighbour. This only happens when you cut your grass and put pavement their, or if you have a walkway made of concrete and you park your vehicle their. You can legally park their as long as you have a parking permit. You can also get a parking ticket if it a illegal driveway and you park there. And when I say illegal driveway I mean there was no place to park a vehicle and you pour concrete and make a space.

[ES_Revenge]

I just got ticket for $50 for parking on the little piece of driveway after
the sidewalk wtf? Not only that, it was 2:40am in the morning, why would this guy be out that late giving out tickets? Now i cant park on the road infront of my house or the drive way? Can someone tell me if this is legal.

thanks.

Ticket says (Park on Boulevard between roadway and sidewalk)

LMAO! Sorry but this is just too funny. As others have said yes, it's a legal ticket--it's certainly a parking infraction to park on the boulevard.

Secondly, are you joking about the guy being out that late giving tickets??? LOL. It's the police, dude (or security companies contracted by the city in some cases, but not in Toronto I don't think, not for public roads anyway). The police never close. Have you ever seen CSI Miami? LOL. That's Horatio's line "we... never... close". In fact there's tons of parking tickets given out overnight. For example, most regular (unsigned) residential roads, you can't park on them overnight, for more than 4hrs after midnight (without some kind of permit). So cop comes by at the start of his/her shift, sees your car there after midnight and chalks the tyre. Comes back 4hrs later perhaps after their "lunch" time, and sees chalk still intact--presto they get to write you a ticket.

No it's not the sleepwalking zombie parking enforcement officers giving you tickets; not the undead police officers that were killed on duty but never got to rest in peace yet, LOL. It's simply the police, who... Never close.

[Jon Lai]

In Markham, if you live in one of those houses which has the sidewalk splitting your driveway, you can park your car on the section that's below the sidewalk, as long as, your FRONT TIRES are not ON in the sidewalk (the location of the bumpers have nothing to do with this apparently).

You are also allowed to park your car PARALLEL (to the road) on this section. There are no by-laws restricting this but they plan to draft one in the near future.

All this was confirmed by a by-law officer that I spoke with last week when he was on my street giving parking tickets.

Well said. Most people's houses aren't big enough lengthwise to park a car in the space between the sidewalk and the road anyways, so I don't see how OP could've done it without interfering with going over either one.

[dpkform]

I just got ticket for $50 for parking on the little piece of driveway after
the sidewalk wtf? Not only that, it was 2:40am in the morning, why would this guy be out that late giving out tickets? Now i cant park on the road infront of my house or the drive way? Can someone tell me if this is legal.

thanks.

Ticket says (Park on Boulevard between roadway and sidewalk)

Living in High Park - quite familiar with parking restrictions and they make complete sense. Without a permit, you can't park on city property overnight. Period. Even with a permit, you can't park in areas where parking in general is not allowed. Imagine what the neighbourhood would look like if everyone started parking on between the sidewalk and the street like you did. There's also the safety factor, of impeding views, particularly of pedestrians.

As another poster indicated, the city owns the property at the front of your house, not you. Look for the flat round metal valves (water supply shutoff) on the front of your property - these are a rough indicator of the line between city owned and your property.

To have a parking pad at the front of your house, you must have city permission to build one, build it according to city rules, display a valid permit in front of the pad at all times, and pay an annual rental fee to the city for use of their land. Even the best parking pads are eyesores compared to narutal landscaping - especially once a car is on them. Environmentally - they run-off the generate contributes to lake pollution by decreasing absorption of water into the ground.

Many people put in their own illegal parking pads at the front of their houses. They are also subject to tickets as their vehicle is parked on city property. They are subject to an order to have the parking pad removed at their expense. Parking enforcement is on the increase - and not so much a cash grab, as it is greater environmental enforcement, and a harsher hand in keeping our neighbourhoods beautiful.

Some people feel like they are entitled to continue to break the law, simply because they have not been fined for it in the past. It does not work thay way.

If you think about it - our neighbourhoods would be nicer places if all parking rules were fully enforced.

[krazy]

Hate to tell you, but that ain't your property. If you have a water shutoff on your front lawn that is a good indication of where your property ends (the shutoff will be just outside of the property line, so the city can shut it off without trespassing).

Really? The shutoff at my house end at the middle of my driveway... If what you said is true, then it means I have a driveway which I technically cannot park a car legally.... I don't have a walkway splitting my driveway though...

[Atomic Chip]

I have calmed down and decided to just pay the stupid thing.

Good thinking. Yes, it is annoying to receive parking tickets, especially when you have made an honest mistake (or, worse, haven't done anything wrong. I once received a ticket for parking in front of a fire hydrant: the nearest hydrant was more than 100 metres ahead of my car, on the other side of the street!). But it is simply not economic to fight parking tickets ... just consider it an informal tax, part of the cost of owning a car in the city. :rolleyes:

[knapper]

Really? The shutoff at my house end at the middle of my driveway... If what you said is true, then it means I have a driveway which I technically cannot park a car legally.... I don't have a walkway splitting my driveway though...

Not saying you can not legally park on it. However, it is a good indication of how much of your front yard you own.

[alamshahid]

I recently purchased a townhouse in Milton and I live on the side of the street that does have a sidewalk. My small metal valve that is 2-3 inches is only 2 feet away from my house in the middle of the lawn; after the valve there is about 15 feet to the first part of the sidewalk. It doesn't make sense that out of my land the city would own more than 3/4th.

[bobbings]

do you know if those parking enforcement officers have a quota to meet? my buddy got a parking ticket for having his tires on the road because he parked on the section between the sidewalk and the road. the first two times he got the ticket, it was his mistake for even having the tire stick out an inch onto the road but the third time he got the same ticket, he made sure it wasn't sticking out at all. however, he got the same ticket and it was bs to get it and there's no way to argue that.

[Bytown]

do you know if those parking enforcement officers have a quota to meet? my buddy got a parking ticket for having his tires on the road because he parked on the section between the sidewalk and the road. the first two times he got the ticket, it was his mistake for even having the tire stick out an inch onto the road but the third time he got the same ticket, he made sure it wasn't sticking out at all. however, he got the same ticket and it was bs to get it and there's no way to argue that.

It could be a neighbour complaining.

[bobbings]

It could be a neighbour complaining.

i just know that when i use to chill at his place. i would always see a parking enforcement officer drive by at around 2:30 am. seems like they're on the ball at all times and they're on a mission to screw everyone up.

[akt921]

I have got a ticket like you(I live in Markham), I tried to appeal but all they said is none of the wheels can touch the sidewalk.
City by-law indicate that no parking on the city street between 2-7am, so yes they always start their shift at 2am and they target those who park on street but don't mind to give you one if they see any of the wheels touches the sidewalk even on your own driveway.

[knapper]

I recently purchased a townhouse in Milton and I live on the side of the street that does have a sidewalk. My small metal valve that is 2-3 inches is only 2 feet away from my house in the middle of the lawn; after the valve there is about 15 feet to the first part of the sidewalk. It doesn't make sense that out of my land the city would own more than 3/4th.

Why does it not make sense? You may not own it, but you can use it, and in fact the City expects you to maintain it.

The extra land is owned by the City and can be used for above/under-ground utilities and if necessary the City can decide to expand the road.

I used to work for Consumers Gas doing inspection on residential gas service installs (for any CIVs at UW, yes it was co-op). Generally the gas main is on only one side of the street, so if the house that needed the install was on the other side we had to dig up the people's front lawn where the main was located. It was always interesting to see their reaction, and to explain that we were not digging up their property, but the City's. And a lot of times it was like you explained where they owned very little of their fron lawn and the gas main could be right in the middle.

[Atomic Chip]

I recently purchased a townhouse in Milton and ... It doesn't make sense that out of my land the city would own more than 3/4th.

Presumably when you purchased the property you obtained a reasonably recent survey. How does it describe the front lawn?

[wifi]

[QUOTE=knapper;5333715]Why does it not make sense? You may not own it, but you can use it, and in fact the City expects you to maintain it.

The extra land is owned by the City and can be used for above/under-ground utilities and if necessary the City can decide to expand the road.

QUOTE]

I don't agree... City has the full right to expand the road upto my garage??? and then they charge me for illegal parking 'coz then I wouldn't have a driveway? wtf?
To begin with, probably they put that valve in the wrong location or wrong calculation...

[knapper]

I don't agree... City has the full right to expand the road upto my garage??? and then they charge me for illegal parking 'coz then I wouldn't have a driveway? wtf?
To begin with, probably they put that valve in the wrong location or wrong calculation...

Again, I never said they can ticket you for parking in your driveway.

They can expand the road to within a specific distance of the property line. I don't know what that distance is, but it is likely dependant on bylaws and speed limits. Will they expand? - very unlikely. Would they ever expand if it meant that driveways were not long enough? - never.

Wrong location? - unlikely. If you have a survey, check it. As noted above, there is nothing to worry about, you have full use of the land in front of your property. There are some actual benefits also: 1) utility companies are obligated to maintain up to the property line. So if you get an f'd up water or sewer service, the less of your front lawn you own, the less the repair will cost you, 2) some Cities/Municipalities will pay for/provide trees to be planted on their portion of the land. This is very common in my neighbourhood where there are a lot of old growth trees along the streets -they were put in by the City at one time. Unfortunately when they need trimming/removal, the City is not always quick to get to it.

[krazy]

The blvd is city property. You keep thinking it's your property but it's not.

It sucks, I agree. "where are you suppose to park?". The street, paying for a street permit from the city. Must be a conspiracy.

Guess what, today we received a flyer from the Town of Markham "All you need to know about your driveway"... The flyer clearly shows that it is PEFECTLY LEGAL TO PARK ON THE BOULEVARD, and it also shows you a picture of how the cars can be parked.

It does mention that the boulevard belongs to the govt. and you are required to maintain it. So I don't think it is legal for the cop to give a ticket for that unless he has proof (photos taken while writing that ticket), that your tires are sticking out or obstructing the walkway....

[teknobabble]

I tried to find that flyer - but it's not on the town's website.

Can you scan and post it?

appreciated if you can.


Guess what, today we received a flyer from the Town of Markham "All you need to know about your driveway"... The flyer clearly shows that it is PEFECTLY LEGAL TO PARK ON THE BOULEVARD, and it also shows you a picture of how the cars can be parked.

It does mention that the boulevard belongs to the govt. and you are required to maintain it. So I don't think it is legal for the cop to give a ticket for that unless he has proof (photos taken while writing that ticket), that your tires are sticking out or obstructing the walkway....

[nik003]

I wish I would have seen your post earlyer, I would have saved 50$... :(

It's pretty stupid though... a civilised citizen would park on that area if the driveway is blocked and he/she is concerned about not disturbing street traffic by parking on the street. Makes sense to find a spot where you do the least impact on vehicle and/or pedestrian traffic, and that is the spot.

As for getting ticketed when parking on the grass portion in front of your house (I think there was a mention of that earlyer, or in a different post), wouldn't the ticketing agent have to tresspass on your property to put the ticket? I wonder if those people do actually get the ticket on their windshield, or just a notice (or maybe nothing, they just find out on renewal of extra penalties).

[jeeva86]

As for getting ticketed when parking on the grass portion in front of your house (I think there was a mention of that earlyer, or in a different post), wouldn't the ticketing agent have to tresspass on your property to put the ticket? I wonder if those people do actually get the ticket on their windshield, or just a notice (or maybe nothing, they just find out on renewal of extra penalties).

What??? It's illegal to park in the grass in front of your house? How so, this is your property? We have 3 vehicles and only 1 can fit in the driveway so 2 are always on the grass. I didn't get ticketted for it but is this illegal?

[nik003]

Apparently it is. Also, and this is funny, you can not park diagonally on your driveway, because it ruins the aesthetics of the neighbourgood (I don't know why anyone would park like that, or who's brain farted that ideea of a section in the bylaw). We're paying these people's salaries from our taxes. Scary thought.

[jeeva86]

Apparently it is. Also, and this is funny, you can not park diagonally on your driveway, because it ruins the aesthetics of the neighbourgood (I don't know why anyone would park like that, or who's brain farted that ideea of a section in the bylaw). We're paying these people's salaries from our taxes. Scary thought.

Do you have a link? I don't get it, the property is ours, can't we park in any way we want?

[nik003]

Do you have a link? I don't get it, the property is ours, can't we park in any way we want?

This site explains in more details some of the restrictions and links to a PDF with some extract. I believe I read in there.

http://juliekinnear.com/parkingintoronto.html

[errorinexcellence]

We have 3 cars, 1 garage house, so technically you can fit 2 cars. 1 in garage, 1 in driveway, but we have 3 cars, so other one parks on boulevard (piece of end of street and before sidewalk, but it sticks out onto the road a bit so it doesnt get on the sidewalk.

Sometimes park on grassinfront of house if possible, so if we got 3 cars, cant park there where are we suppose to put the cars?

[bobbings]

Do you have a link? I don't get it, the property is ours, can't we park in any way we want?

Well, apparently, the part between the sideway and the road belongs to the government. We are technically not allowed to do anything to it in terms of expanding it, or parking on it. Some people get around it by putting in "soft landscape" such as interlock to expand it so they park there. I guess different municipalities have different by-laws. I am speaking on behalf of the Town of Markham though and they aren't too anal about parking there at night as long as the tires do not touch the road or the sidewalk at all. Even a tiny bit will get you a ticket and sometimes you get an a-hole giving you a ticket even though your tires were evidently not on any of the sidewalks or the road.

I think it's the most bs thing to have in Markham because houses here are huge but some of those huge houses like 2500 sq ft with 4 - 5 bedrooms have only 1 car garage which means only 2 cars are technically allowed to park if you disregard the boulevard space. How can a house fit for 5 to 6 people have only 2 cars not to mention the crappy public transit they have. However, it's the buyer's choice to buy a 1 garage house for a big family so they take the risk of getting ticketed.

There are tons of people out on duty late at night giving tickets. Here in Markham, especially northern Markham, once it strikes 1:30 am, those a-holes are out there driving around until 6 am.

[jeeva86]

I believe town of Markham is allowed to park on the boulevard as longs as tires don't hit sidewalk. I'm in scarborough and I'm not parking on the boulevard but on the front yard.

[gordholio]

Do you have a link? I don't get it, the property is ours, can't we park in any way we want?

That's why some move out of the city. Out in the country you can do a lot more on your own property without big brother getting involved or yuppie neighbours reporting you for "uglying" the neighbourhood.

[B0000rt]

Do you have a link? I don't get it, the property is ours, can't we park in any way we want?
Nope, it's not.

Infact, that tree you have planted on that land, isn't yours either.

If the tree dies, you don't have to pay to get it hauled away, it belongs to the City, call them up and they'll dig it up for you, and plant a new one for you.

Here's a couple reasons to prove that it's not your property. Where the heck is the city supposed to put Fire Hydrants? What about Light Poles? On your property? Without your permission? Yeah right! See why it's not your property now?

[bobbings]

Nope, it's not.

Infact, that tree you have planted on that land, isn't yours either.

If the tree dies, you don't have to pay to get it hauled away, it belongs to the City, call them up and they'll dig it up for you, and plant a new one for you.

When you think about it, that makes sense. That is why fire hydrants are planted right beside the boulevard as well as those street lamps. Now people, don't start claiming that the hydrants and the street lamps belong to you as well lol

[jeeva86]

Nope, it's not.

Infact, that tree you have planted on that land, isn't yours either.

If the tree dies, you don't have to pay to get it hauled away, it belongs to the City, call them up and they'll dig it up for you, and plant a new one for you.

Here's a couple reasons to prove that it's not your property. Where the heck is the city supposed to put Fire Hydrants? What about Light Poles? On your property? Without your permission? Yeah right! See why it's not your property now?

I'm talking about the front yard, which exists between the house and sidewalk.

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

I wish I would have seen your post earlyer, I would have saved 50$... :(

It's pretty stupid though... a civilised citizen would park on that area if the driveway is blocked and he/she is concerned about not disturbing street traffic by parking on the street. Makes sense to find a spot where you do the least impact on vehicle and/or pedestrian traffic, and that is the spot.

As for getting ticketed when parking on the grass portion in front of your house (I think there was a mention of that earlyer, or in a different post), wouldn't the ticketing agent have to tresspass on your property to put the ticket? I wonder if those people do actually get the ticket on their windshield, or just a notice (or maybe nothing, they just find out on renewal of extra penalties).

What part of the city do you live in? I see people in southwest Scarborough where they have older and smaller houses park on the boulevard all the time but then again I guess it depends on how anal the neighbours and meter maids are.

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What part of the city do you live in? I see people in southwest Scarborough where they have older and smaller houses park on the boulevard all the time but then again I guess it depends on how anal the neighbours and meter maids are.

400 & 401 area, in toronto. Until two nights ago nobody ever got ticketed for that according to 6 of my neighbours. I see people tonight parking in the same manner. Maybe I should be the arse tonight and make a call to get them screwed... Unfortunately, chances are the arse who called before does not even have a car, so I'm not touching him like that. He's probably just full of envy at other people that have cars. Just like those people saying you shouldn't have more than two cars, or you shouldn't buy a house larger than you need, or who knows what else. These are the nosy neighbours who call the city inspectors when you do a reno (yup, it's probably the same looser who called an inspector when I built my deck, hoping to get me into trouble... to his surprise, I was covered... that pissed him off, I'm sure)...

I can't wait to move the heck out of this "shaite" city.