2008 BMW 1-series coupe

[MasterXan]

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On sale in the spring of 2008, the 1 Series Coupe will be available in two versions; the 128i and the 135i. Powered by a 3.0-liter, 230 horsepower inline 6-cyinder engine that generates 200 lb-ft of torque, the 128i Coupe will feature Valvetronic valvetrain management and aluminum/magnesium contruction—core elements of BMW’s EfficientDynamics. The powerful 135i Coupe features BMW’s twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine that produces 300 horsepower and an incredible 300 lb-ft of torque from as low as 1,400 rpm. With its direct piezo gasoline injectors, twin low-mass turbochargers and air-to-air intercooling, optimum performance and economy is achieved with no loss in engine response. For the 135i Coupe, acceleration from 0-62 mph is accomplished in 5.3 seconds and top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph. Both engines feature on-demand engine coolant pumps that improve fuel economy and reduce parasitic losses for increased output.

Full Article:
http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_1254.shtml

And more pics here http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=523

And here's a vid of a test drive http://youtube.com/watch?v=tiPxBbtbsq4


according to the 1-series' wikipedia page, it's a competitor with the VW Golf/Jetta and the Audi A3. If it's priced closely to those models, this is gonna be the most bang for the buck sports compact car EVER.

[blizzah]

This is going to kill sales of the 3 series since those who buy BMW for the BMW name will now just buy this!

[rogerrabbit168]

i like it, can't wait till 2008

[Phr3sh]

too bad its ugly as balls....335i coupe please

[lumlum1013]

335i produce 300hp/300tq
135i produce 300hp/300tq...

135i will defintely be lighter than 335i tho....

so y they do that? 135i is gonna kill the 335i's sale....IMO

[onecoolloser]

Eww..it looks nasty.. Is this made to compete with the Volvo C30 or the Audi A3/Benzo A-Class?

Plus.. the 3/4 front angle shot looks photoshopped....

[thephenom]

Eww..it looks nasty.. Is this made to compete with the Volvo C30 or the Audi A3/Benzo A-Class?

Plus.. the 3/4 front angle shot looks photoshopped....

You can check the official pictures on bmwusa. ;)

Not a huge fan of the styling on the side on the car, the front and back aren't bad, but I can put up with the looks in exchange for some performance RWD if the price is right. :D

[march9]

so, is this like coming to north america?

I like the 1 series hatch...the coupe? no thanks.

[McLaren]

Yes they definitely should have brought the hatch instead of the coupe.

[chickenbones]

335i produce 300hp/300tq
135i produce 300hp/300tq...

135i will defintely be lighter than 335i tho....

so y they do that? 135i is gonna kill the 335i's sale....IMO

Not everyone buy cars based on 0 to 60 times. By your logic, 335 produce 300 hp 328 produce 230 hp. Why they do that? 335 is going to kill 328's sale!

Why would BMW care if the 135 will kill 335i's sales? All the sales goes into their pockets anyway.

IMHO, 1 series is ugly but 135 will be fast though. It'll attract alot of 20 somethings with some dough looking for speed!

I still can't get over how ugly it is though.

[ES_Revenge]

Ehhh, that coupe FTMFL. Looks pretty bad.

Give me the hatch with the twin-turbo and a dual-clutch gearbox and I'll be quite happy :D

Sell that hideous thing on the other hand and I'll be wondering why they bothered with the 1 series at all, in NA. :(

[jtcb]

The rear black plastic under bumper makes the car look cheap. I prefer the hatch also.

[Spliffy]

The side profile kinda has a Toyota Echo thing goin on :lol:

[Neb]

I think the 1 series looks alright from a certain angle, esp the front. the rear does look bad, but when the new 3 series came out that's what alot of people said too. All the pictures released so far is the 135i with the M body kit (standard). Wonder what the 128i will look like.

If they price this right, I think it will do alright.

128i 35k
135i 40k

Currently 328i coupe ~43k 335i ~51k

It is 10k cheaper than a 335i, but you will probably get alot more room and standard equipment out of the 335i.

[D-3vil]

BMW taking design cues from Hyundai?

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[McLaren]

135i is like the M Coupe all over again, butt-ugly but scary fast like a bat out of hell.

[Phr3sh]

damn i just noticed that the performance is the same as the 335i...so they probably cut mad corners on everything else

[goffeebeans]

damn i just noticed that the performance is the same as the 335i...so they probably cut mad corners on everything else

Hmm it seems the 1 series, 3 series and 5 series will all be using the same engine

[Badman]

Not bad. As long as the price is right it should be good.

[Emancipated]

Not bad. Going to be a lot of new BMW posers.

I rather buy something more novel and unadulterated like the Volvo C30. I just hope it doesn't turn into another "Everyone and their grandma has a Civic" thing.

[BD006]

I don't think it looks ugly. :confused:

And with the engine choices and size, it should perform extremely well.

And while it may become extremely common, it's still a coupe, so I don't think it's going to cannibalize 3 series sales.

[onecoolloser]

You can check the official pictures on bmwusa. ;)


LOL, yeah i know it's the official pics.. but to me, it just looks like they took an older 3 series, and chopped off two doors. I dunno, it looks, squished.

Plus i dont think the front end suits the car. Thats just me, each to their own.

[warpdrive]

This is the car I've been waiting for.

BMW has gotten way too far from their roots. Their latest cars are bloated, laden with too many gadgets, and not as fun to drive as they used to be.

The 135 is BMW that could actually live up to the "Ultimate Driving Machine" tagline. Simpler, light, balanced and above all, the ultimate car to enjoy driving. The 335 is already a very fast car, but in this smaller body, you could easily call this an M-car

If they price this thing under $50K well equipped, then I forsee that the it will be at the top of many enthusiast's want list. (the people who actually car about the fun of driving, not owning the BMW badge)

Yeah, it's not supremely pretty, but as I always said, "looks are secondary to the way it drives". I can live with looks as long as this thing delivers on the smiles per miles. This could be the real modern 2002ti. The poseurs will be the ones driving the larger BMWs

[Icerian]

who would be considered a bmw poser? what criteria can give that label to a person? i'm asking seriously, i tried google but it kept correcting my search to 'bmw posTers'. am i a bmw poser since i don't know what it is?

[KonniXeoN]

Lot of haters on this forum. The 135i will have a the 335i twin turbo engine.

It is 35,000$ Canadian for the 135i, it will have 308-HP with 6 piston breaks and fully loaded with all the goodies that the 3-series has to offer. If your still in doubt check up with your local dealer.

Everyones bashing BMW. Why hate? Lexus and all the other brands copy BMW designs for headlights and tail lights all the time. The new IS350 handles like a corolla :lol: and tries so hard to look like the new 3 series design.

This car can be labeled as the "Ultimate Driving Machine.", it has been said by BMW engineers that this car can outperform a CAYMEN S.

The 1 series looks like an updated version of the e46 M3 csL.

[warpdrive]

It is 35,000$ Canadian for the 135i

Source? The price sounds way too good to be true.

[warpdrive]

who would be considered a bmw poser? what criteria can give that label to a person? i'm asking seriously, i tried google but it kept correcting my search to 'bmw posTers'. am i a bmw poser since i don't know what it is?

It's a label given to people who buy a BMW to get the name only. They might be the ones buying the cheapest model with the smallest weakest engine and may also buy it in automatic. Therefore it's a poser car in that its performance and/or prestige is lacking.

The 135 will not be a poseur car because it's going to one of their highest performing models. It will more like the original 2002ti that made BMW famous and practically defined the term "sports sedan". This will be a true sports sedan, small, agile, and high power to weight ratio. I'll be you'll see alot of these being bought by people who track their cars.

[thephenom]

Lot of haters on this forum. The 135i will have a the 335i twin turbo engine.

It is 35,000$ Canadian for the 135i, it will have 308-HP with 6 piston breaks and fully loaded with all the goodies that the 3-series has to offer. If your still in doubt check up with your local dealer.

Everyones bashing BMW. Why hate? Lexus and all the other brands copy BMW designs for headlights and tail lights all the time. The new IS350 handles like a corolla :lol: and tries so hard to look like the new 3 series design.

This car can be labeled as the "Ultimate Driving Machine.", it has been said by BMW engineers that this car can outperform a CAYMEN S.

The 1 series looks like an updated version of the e46 M3 csL.

$35k sounds like a steal for a 135, but I'm sure BMW will rip you a new one on options and accessories. What's the pricing on the 128 then?

[KonniXeoN]

$35k sounds like a steal for a 135, but I'm sure BMW will rip you a new one on options and accessories. What's the pricing on the 128 then?

$27K.
Check your local dealer you can get a pre-order for one :cheesygri

The 135 is loaded with the M-tech package as a standard feature.
The 128 I'm not sure about, but I'd rahter go with the 135 since it's pretty much loaded for 35k.

[KonniXeoN]

It's a label given to people who buy a BMW to get the name only. They might be the ones buying the cheapest model with the smallest weakest engine and may also buy it in automatic. Therefore it's a poser car in that its performance and/or prestige is lacking.

The 135 will not be a poseur car because it's going to one of their highest performing models. It will more like the original 2002ti that made BMW famous and practically defined the term "sports sedan". This will be a true sports sedan, small, agile, and high power to weight ratio. I'll be you'll see alot of these being bought by people who track their cars.

Even though its the lowest model it is STILL A BMW. Handles like no other car and has its own unique features.

What kinda car you got? I bet I could talk smack and call you a poser too.

[thephenom]

$27K.
Check your local dealer you can get a pre-order for one :cheesygri

The 135 is loaded with the M-tech package as a standard feature.
The 128 I'm not sure about, but I'd rahter go with the 135 since it's pretty much loaded for 35k.

Still $8k more, not a small amount. ;)

[march9]

This is the car I've been waiting for.

BMW has gotten way too far from their roots. Their latest cars are bloated, laden with too many gadgets, and not as fun to drive as they used to be.

The 135 is BMW that could actually live up to the "Ultimate Driving Machine" tagline. Simpler, light, balanced and above all, the ultimate car to enjoy driving. The 335 is already a very fast car, but in this smaller body, you could easily call this an M-car

If they price this thing under $50K well equipped, then I forsee that the it will be at the top of many enthusiast's want list. (the people who actually car about the fun of driving, not owning the BMW badge)

Yeah, it's not supremely pretty, but as I always said, "looks are secondary to the way it drives". I can live with looks as long as this thing delivers on the smiles per miles. This could be the real modern 2002ti. The poseurs will be the ones driving the larger BMWs

most of those "luxury brands" get their sales and profits from those lower end models, if such posers dont exist, they would be out of business.
and honestly you don't need a car bigger than the A4/BMW 3/IS350, unless you have a big family but then SUV/Minivan would be the ideal choice, most people who buy 5 series/7 series actually don't drive them, they hire drivers, so wouldn't you be embrassed if you buy a 5 series and other people think you are just a driver?

[thephenom]

most of those "luxury brands" get their sales and profits from those lower end models, if such posers dont exist, they would be out of business.
and honestly you don't need a car bigger than the A4/BMW 3/IS350, unless you have a big family but then SUV/Minivan would be the ideal choice, most people who buy 5 series/7 series actually don't drive them, they hire drivers, so wouldn't you be embrassed if you buy a 5 series and other people think you are just a driver?

The A4 and 3-series actually doesn't have that much legroom in the back.....the 5 definitely has more space for 3 adults in the back, and the 7 is damn comfy with 3 adults in the back. :D

[march9]

The A4 and 3-series actually doesn't have that much legroom in the back.....the 5 definitely has more space for 3 adults in the back, and the 7 is damn comfy with 3 adults in the back. :D

exactly, most people who buy 7 series and sometimes 5 series are passengers, they don't necessarily drive the car themselves, that's why passenger comfort is emphsized, for A4/3 series this is sacrificed to keep the weight/length at a resonable level for the sake of performance and handling because it is assumed most people who buy them will hardly have any back seat passengers.

so if you want to buy a car to drive yourself there is no point in getting a 5 series, 3 series is more than enough, and how does that make people who buy 3 series posers? it is the most practical choice.

[goffeebeans]

The A4 and 3-series actually doesn't have that much legroom in the back.....the 5 definitely has more space for 3 adults in the back, and the 7 is damn comfy with 3 adults in the back. :D

+1. 3 series is tight legroom wise and shoulder room. the X3 is slightly better and 5 series is a lot more comfortable.

honestly you don't need a car bigger than the A4/BMW 3/IS350, unless you have a big family but then SUV/Minivan would be the ideal choice, most people who buy 5 series/7 series actually don't drive them, they hire drivers, so wouldn't you be embrassed if you buy a 5 series and other people think you are just a driver?

Thing is people looking at Audi/BMWs probably aren't interested in minivans or perhaps most SUVs. They likely need the room for the occasional situation.

Haven't seen any "drivers" driving 5series, maybe one or two for the 7series. Im guessing its more of a downtown thing, but I don't see why anyone would think you're a chauffeur just cause you're driving one.

Plus isn't is better to be embarrassed driving a 5/7 series than driving a minivan:razz:

[warpdrive]

Even though its the lowest model it is STILL A BMW. Handles like no other car and has its own unique features.

What kinda car you got? I bet I could talk smack and call you a poser too.

What the hell are you harping about? I never said THIS car was a poseur car. Learn to read English before attacking me.

[McLaren]

It is 35,000$ Canadian for the 135i

Haha the dealer is playing with ya, pricing hasn't even been announced for NA yet. It has in germany though and it will be 38950 Euro for the 135i which is roughly 52k USD

So heres the calculations:
New 335 in the EU = $60,280
New 335 in the US = $40,800

New 135 in the EU = $52,000
New 135i in the US = $35,000

35k starting in the US will be 43k+ in Canada.

[KonniXeoN]

Haha the dealer is playing with ya, pricing hasn't even been announced for NA yet. It has in germany though and it will be 38950 Euro for the 135i which is roughly 52k USD

So heres the calculations:
New 335 in the EU = $60,280
New 335 in the US = $40,800

New 135 in the EU = $52,000
New 135i in the US = $35,000

35k starting in the US will be 43k+ in Canada.

Source?

[McLaren]

Those are guess-timate prices: comparing 335i in Germany to the US.

People are paying 45k+ for the A3 3.2q and B200 Turbo. You honestly think the 135i with a 300hp engine is going to be 10k less than that? BMW knows what Canadians will pay for a premium small car and will price it accordingly with its competition.

[thephenom]

Source?

I don't think that needs source as it's just simply math ratios. ;)

[chickenbones]

Source?

Where's your source that it'll be $35k CAD? I think it'll be at least 40k plus for the 135.

A 335 is about 50k base. How can the 135 with the same engine be more than 10k less? It's only a little smaller, same engine and everything.

[onecoolloser]

35k starting in the US will be 43k+ in Canada.

Where's your source that it'll be $35k CAD? I think it'll be at least 40k plus for the 135.


Explained?

[chickenbones]

Explained?



Lot of haters on this forum. The 135i will have a the 335i twin turbo engine.

It is 35,000$ Canadian for the 135i, it will have 308-HP

I was merely questioning KonniXeoN's source for his statement.

Why quote me saying it'll be 40k+ CAD and say Explained??? No it's not explained, 'cus it's not $35k CAD as KonniXeoN have stated, which is my question anyway. At least read my post before acting sarcastic.

[masterballer]

most of those "luxury brands" get their sales and profits from those lower end models, if such posers dont exist, they would be out of business.
and honestly you don't need a car bigger than the A4/BMW 3/IS350, unless you have a big family but then SUV/Minivan would be the ideal choice, most people who buy 5 series/7 series actually don't drive them, they hire drivers, so wouldn't you be embrassed if you buy a 5 series and other people think you are just a driver?

WTH are you talking about? who buys a 5 series to get driven around in? you do know a 5 series is only around 70K right? All the people ive seen in 7 series are the owners, driving themselves, i even know a guy who drives a 7 series everyday.

And what is this about possers buying BMWs, its like saying all civic drivers are possers because they could afford the Accord! ITs a totally stupid argument...i personally like the look of the 328i/335i more than the 5 Series, so if i got the 3 series im a posser? give me a break and stop hating.

[BD006]

Car and Driver and Motor Trend are estimating the 128i to start around US$26-27k, and the 135i to be about $5-6k more.

Looking at current Canadian to US ratio for a 328i, it's about 1.3 to 1, so I'd estimate about CAD$35k for the 128i and low $40ks for the 135i. Still about $10k less than the 335i.

[qam]

Someone on another forum mentioned that he was surveyed by BMW Canada and Ipsos Reid and the pricing that is being considered is the following:

$32.5k to $38k for the 128i
$38k to $43k for the 135i

No offence KonniXeoN, but the prices that the dealer told you sound too good to be true.

[TrEvOrLiCioUs]

PPl won't be buying a 135i for the BMW name. thats what the 318i and 320i were for.

The 1-series and 3-series are a completely different car, stop comparing them because they have the same engine.

An altima, maxima, g35, murano, fx35 all have the same engine but are completely different cars geared towards a completely different target market.

[KonniXeoN]

Someone on another forum mentioned that he was surveyed by BMW Canada and Ipsos Reid and the pricing that is being considered is the following:

$32.5k to $38k for the 128i
$38k to $43k for the 135i

No offence KonniXeoN, but the prices that the dealer told you sound too good to be true.

See this is why I don't believe these prices.

If you look at the 3-series, the prices are around that price. The 1-series must be cheaper than the 3-series since it will be a smaller car, a lot like the mini cooper im guessing.

Why buy a 135i for 43k when they can just go for the 335i for 51.

But you know what whocares with this useless arguing over the prices. Damn, why don't we all shut up and wait till the real price comes out?

[thephenom]

Why buy a 135i for 43k when they can just go for the 335i for 51.
Because that's a $8000 difference? Not a small amount by any chance.

It's almost as if someone is saying why buy a civic when an accord is a few grand more, but why buy accord when the TSX is a few grand more, actually buy the TL since it's only a few grand more than that. ;)

[KonniXeoN]

Because that's a $8000 difference? Not a small amount by any chance.

It's almost as if someone is saying why buy a civic when an accord is a few grand more, but why buy accord when the TSX is a few grand more, actually buy the TL since it's only a few grand more than that. ;)


Haha look at the step up from the regular 323i to the 335i.
15grand difference.
Honestly 8 grand more for a bigger car, well hell why not? I would go for the 335 over the 135. Just because I like having my passengers to sit in the backseat without getting squished. And the 335i is a very sleek car, my buddy has one and damn it is nice.

[Icerian]

It's a label given to people who buy a BMW to get the name only. They might be the ones buying the cheapest model with the smallest weakest engine and may also buy it in automatic. Therefore it's a poser car in that its performance and/or prestige is lacking.

The 135 will not be a poseur car because it's going to one of their highest performing models. It will more like the original 2002ti that made BMW famous and practically defined the term "sports sedan". This will be a true sports sedan, small, agile, and high power to weight ratio. I'll be you'll see alot of these being bought by people who track their cars.

thanks for the break down man, i'm not really down with the all the lingo!

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

The 1 Series hatch looks decent, like a mini X3.

[bmw_xperience]

It doesn't matter if it kills the 3 series sales... as long as it will kill Corolla and Civic sales... that is all that BMW cares about!

[LuiManHo]

Someone on another forum mentioned that he was surveyed by BMW Canada and Ipsos Reid and the pricing that is being considered is the following:

$32.5k to $38k for the 128i
$38k to $43k for the 135i

No offence KonniXeoN, but the prices that the dealer told you sound too good to be true.

is $43k off the lot price? if it is, its reasonable. if its not, then I'd rather get a 335.

[ChaoZ]

It doesn't matter if it kills the 3 series sales... as long as it will kill Corolla and Civic sales... that is all that BMW cares about!

Way different leagues.
Ironically, it may eat into sales of the MINI Cooper S.

I like the 135i on paper, but that so called trunk is just too damn ugly for me. And I'm actually one of the few who like the look of the M Coupe.

[Quick_lude]

I rather buy something more novel and unadulterated like the Volvo C30. I just hope it doesn't turn into another "Everyone and their grandma has a Civic" thing.

Umm.. You don't understand. The 135i should and hopefully will be a true drivers car. RWD, 6 spd, 300hp, BMW handling. The volvo is not in the same league, as far as performance goes.

Styling and practicality, tha's a different story. :) I'm not crazy about it from the pics but hopefully it looks better in person. If all goes well, once I give back my S2000 next spring, this will be my next car, probably imported from the US.

[seftonm]

Too bad they aren't bringing the hatch here, that is what I would be most interested in. I would be very interested in a 118d or 120d hatchback as my next car if they sold them here.

[ES_Revenge]

It doesn't matter if it kills the 3 series sales... as long as it will kill Corolla and Civic sales... that is all that BMW cares about!

Umm, I hardly think BMW is targetting these cars at Corolla and Civic buyers. I also don't think they care at all about competing with the Civic. Given the fact that this is an entry-level premium brand/luxury car and not simply an entry level car this really won't be competing with the Civic. Sure some people considering a Civic may want to save more money (or spend more money if they can) on a 1-series, but I don't think the 1-series is going to somehow magically start outselling the Civic; and I'm sure BMW doesn't expect it to either.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Badge inflation - The 1 Series is the same size as the 3 series from 2 generations ago. Just like the Fit is the same size as the Civic of 20 years ago.

[anycee]

As I posted elsewhere, I just wish they didn't make it so goddam heavy (2904-3190 lbs).

[actng]

Even though its the lowest model it is STILL A BMW. Handles like no other car and has its own unique features.

by that logic, a mercedes C-class must be the most luxurious and reliable high class sedan????????

you are a sheep. you see the bmw badge and you think it's a good car. would you say the 320i 323i are good cars too?

[jtcb]

by that logic, a mercedes C-class must be the most luxurious and reliable high class sedan????????


B-class is the lowest class, not C.

[actng]

B-class is the lowest class, not C.

if you wanna get picky, A-class is the smallest but let's not go there.

[jtcb]

if you wanna get picky, A-class is the smallest but let's not go there.

As far as North America is concern, B is the lowest class. Enough said.. period.:|

[notanexpert]

by that logic, a mercedes C-class must be the most luxurious and reliable high class sedan????????

you are a sheep. you see the bmw badge and you think it's a good car. would you say the 320i 323i are good cars too?
Not just good, great cars. Not because of the badge, it could say "shitbox" for all I care.

[mmmken]

Absolutely ugly, imo.

[woodstock827]

Do Not Want.

anyone remembers the old 3-series hatchback (320ti?) that was used to compete with the C-class coupe and promptly disappeared after a year or so?... this thing remind me of that..

[TenzoR]

Do Not Want.

anyone remembers the old 3-series hatchback (320ti?) that was used to compete with the C-class coupe and promptly disappeared after a year or so?... this thing remind me of that..

the only difference is, this has a proper engine (inline 6), better rear suspension (the old one was still using the rear suspension of E30), and it did not disappear in an year ...

[notanexpert]

Do Not Want.

anyone remembers the old 3-series hatchback (320ti?) that was used to compete with the C-class coupe and promptly disappeared after a year or so?... this thing remind me of that..

That was the 318ti, it was sold in North America from 1995 to 1999, BEFORE there ever was a C-class 3-door. Elsewhere it was sold from 1994 to 2005, both E36 and E46 generation, and called the "compact". It was such a success worldwide that BMW decided to introduce in 2004 a whole new line-up of cars below the 3-series, called the 1-series, to replace the compact and capture even more of the below 3-series market.

[woodstock827]

I stand corrected.
but both are still ugly imo. I just have seen may be one ti on the road around where I live... but tons of C-coupe

[notanexpert]

I stand corrected.
but both are still ugly imo. I just have seen may be one ti on the road around where I live... but tons of C-coupe

It is true that the C-coupe sold in higher numbers than the compact. However, any other car you can think of also sold in higher numbers between 2001 (when the C-coupe was introduced) and now than from 1995 to 1999. Car sales now are about 50% higher than in 1995...

[warpdrive]

Do Not Want.

anyone remembers the old 3-series hatchback (320ti?) that was used to compete with the C-class coupe and promptly disappeared after a year or so?... this thing remind me of that..

The 318ti was no substance and no style.
This 135 is all substance and questionable style.

I'll take this 135 over many other cars with more style.

Driving is my passion and this car should be one of the best driver sedans BMW has put out in a long time (besides the M3). This car is about the performance, and for the $, it might be the best bang for buck BMW has put out in decades. As long as they don't water it down too much (which is likely since they don't want the enthusiasts buying this car instead of the more profitable 3 series)

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Hmm, most people don't seem to remember that the first M3 that made a name for BMW was a 4-banger.

[TenzoR]

Hmm, most people don't seem to remember that the first M3 that made a name for BMW was a 4-banger.

okay ... and?

[IoannI]

Looks like a mini M3

[ES_Revenge]

by that logic, a mercedes C-class must be the most luxurious and reliable high class sedan????????
ROFL :lol:

Anyway so wait the 1-series will only be available as a coupe here? No hatch? Well that sucks, considering the hatch looks 1000x better. The coupe is ugly as hell >:(

[actng]

Not just good, great cars. Not because of the badge, it could say "shitbox" for all I care.

shows how much you know about cars.
not all bmw are created equal. esp the entry level crap.

[Spray]

What are you smoking.
This IS a poser car, the thing weighs as much as my damn AWD Sports Sedan. How can you even think of comparing this to the 2002? No offense but you really need to consider your knowledge of sports cars. The only saving grace of this car is it's very tuner friendly and powerful engine. Otherwise this car is a complete bloated track pig.

I'm so very dissapointed in BMW with this car. They could of really saved themselves with the sports driver's market.

It's a label given to people who buy a BMW to get the name only. They might be the ones buying the cheapest model with the smallest weakest engine and may also buy it in automatic. Therefore it's a poser car in that its performance and/or prestige is lacking.

The 135 will not be a poseur car because it's going to one of their highest performing models. It will more like the original 2002ti that made BMW famous and practically defined the term "sports sedan". This will be a true sports sedan, small, agile, and high power to weight ratio. I'll be you'll see alot of these being bought by people who track their cars.

[notanexpert]

shows how much you know about cars.
not all bmw are created equal. esp the entry level crap.

OK, when was the last time you have driven a 316i or a 518i? The only difference that I could tell between a 316 and a 320 of the same generation, is that the 316 was a bit slower. And not even by that much in the city, because the gearing is a lot shorter with the smaller engine.

[warpdrive]

What are you smoking.
This IS a poser car, the thing weighs as much as my damn AWD Sports Sedan. How can you even think of comparing this to the 2002? No offense but you really need to consider your knowledge of sports cars. The only saving grace of this car is it's very tuner friendly and powerful engine. Otherwise this car is a complete bloated track pig.

I'm so very dissapointed in BMW with this car. They could of really saved themselves with the sports driver's market.

Sorry, but I to respectfully disagree.

I will reserve judgement until I drive the car and feel it for myself, but until then, I don't think it will be a disappointment. So have you actually driven the car and concluded this? Or it is your "expert knowledge about sports cars" that allows you to predict that this car is a lousy track car. Please spare me your "wisdom" about cars in the future. Sarcasm intended.

[Spray]

I'll reserve my judgement partially until I do the same. But you cant call a 3400+ car "lightweight". I really wanted to like this car, but at 3400 pounds, I might as well drive my Legacy.

I think I may have been misunderstood a little. Even at 3400 pounds this will be a great car for the track, I just dont think it'll live up to they hype that people say it will.

Sorry, but I to respectfully disagree.

I will reserve judgement until I drive the car and feel it for myself, but until then, I don't think it will be a disappointment. So have you actually driven the car and concluded this or your "expert" knowledge allows you to predict that this car is a lousy track car. Please spare me your wisdom about cars in the future

And my rebuff to you is: I think you should reconsider your knowledge of sports cars.

[warpdrive]

I'll reserve my judgement partially until I do the same. But you cant call a 3400+ car "lightweight". I really wanted to like this car, but at 3400 pounds, I might as well drive my Legacy.

I never said this car is lightweight. But that doesn't mean it's a track pig nor does it preclude it as an exceptional driver's car.

No modern sedan is ever going to be like the 2002, but the spirit of the 2002 lives on more in this BMW than any other BMW in years, possibly since the E30

[Spray]

Only time will tell. This car doesnt even have an LSD or decent brakes does it?
I think personally BMW sold out a little too much on this car. I'd be first in line if it was sub 3150 pounds or so.

I'm really looking forward to seeing some videos and perforamance numbers on the track, I could care less about the straight line speed it has.

I never said this car is lightweight. But that doesn't mean it's a track pig nor does it preclude it as an exceptional driver's car.

No car is going to be like the 2002, but the spirit of the 2002 lives on more in this BMW than any other BMW in years, possibly since the E30

[bobbings]

they should've brought the hatch over. at least it gives potential buyers more options with different styles.

[notanexpert]

Only time will tell. This car doesnt even have an LSD or decent brakes does it?
I think personally BMW sold out a little too much on this car. I'd be first in line if it was sub 3150 pounds or so.

I'm really looking forward to seeing some videos and perforamance numbers on the track, I could care less about the straight line speed it has.

I don't think I've ever seen a BMW without decent brakes...
So if this one comes equipped with crap brakes, that would be a first on a BMW.
Secondly, I've driven the current 328i (not on the track). It was nice and quick, and a lot of fun. If the 128i will be any lighter than a 3-series, it will be nicer and quicker, which I'm sure it WILL be.
I do agree that its a damn shame they don't bring the hatch. But we can blame the americans, they won't buy hatches and BMW won't bring a car just for Canada, not enough volume for them to justify the certification costs. Same issue with all the other engines available worldwide, that we don't get here.

[TenzoR]

I don't think I've ever seen a BMW without decent brakes...
So if this one comes equipped with crap brakes, that would be a first on a BMW.
Secondly, I've driven the current 328i (not on the track). It was nice and quick, and a lot of fun. If the 128i will be any lighter than a 3-series, it will be nicer and quicker, which I'm sure it WILL be.
I do agree that its a damn shame they don't bring the hatch. But we can blame the americans, they won't buy hatches and BMW won't bring a car just for Canada, not enough volume for them to justify the certification costs. Same issue with all the other engines available worldwide, that we don't get here.

Traditionally all BMW came with 1 piston brake setup (even in the M cars), however I believe the 1 series will be the first to come out with 6 piston caliper in the front.

[TenzoR]

Only time will tell. This car doesnt even have an LSD or decent brakes does it?
I think personally BMW sold out a little too much on this car. I'd be first in line if it was sub 3150 pounds or so.

I'm really looking forward to seeing some videos and perforamance numbers on the track, I could care less about the straight line speed it has.

I believe only the M cars have LSD

[Quick_lude]

I'll reserve my judgement partially until I do the same. But you cant call a 3400+ car "lightweight". I really wanted to like this car, but at 3400 pounds, I might as well drive my Legacy.

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Unless there is some kind weight adding safety options, the EU 135i is reported at 1560 kg or 3285 lbs. Not a lightweight by any means but even the Vette is around this mark. With 300 hp it will move nicely. It might not be as nimble as my S2000 but I'm sure it will be much more solid.

[Quick_lude]

I'll reserve my judgement partially until I do the same. But you cant call a 3400+ car "lightweight". I really wanted to like this car, but at 3400 pounds, I might as well drive my Legacy.

.
Unless there is some kind weight adding safety options, the EU 135i is reported at 1560 kg or 3285 lbs. Not a lightweight by any means but even the Vette is around this mark. With 300 hp it will move nicely. It might not be as nimble as my S2000 but I'm sure it will be much more solid.

Styling aside, this should be the performance bargain of the year, IF you get one in the US. :D

[MasterXan]

new info about the 1-series (applies to U.S. though)

General News

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1626

1-series convertible

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1631

135i coupe

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1628

128i coupe

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1627

Wheel and Tire Program for 128i and 135i

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1629

[MasterXan]

BMW will have a press conference at the L.A. Auto Show later today and U.S. prices should be released by then. Expected prices (USD) are:

128i - Just under $30,000

135i - $35,000

And btw, according to the RIV list, 1992 - 2008 BMWs are admissible and the 1-series will be a 2008 model.

[Spray]

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1935

http://www.1addicts.com/goodiesforyou/motor3.jpg

New 135 Tii concept model.

Lightweight drivers car...we'll see.

[thelefteyeguy]

...i just noticed the leg room...or lack of it :|

[ZxExN]

BMWs looks are getting stagnant. Same old same old. Not a fan of this new 1 series.

[MasterXan]

official U.S. pricing is out:

BMW announced pricing for the 2008 1 Series Coupe this afternoon at the 2007 LA Auto Show. When the coupe hits dealerships in the spring of '08, expect the 128i to start at $29,375 and 135i at $35,675. Tom Purves, Chariman and CEO of BMW also announced that a 1 Series convertible will be shown at the Detroit Auto Show.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/category/cat.LAAutoShow

[ryandk]

Here's the official pricing for the BMW 1-series in Canada:

128i Coupe $33,900
128i Cabriolet $39,900
135i Coupe $41,700
135i Cabriolet $47,200

Freight & PDI $2195 (grrr...)

[Neb]

Here's the official pricing for the BMW 1-series in Canada:

128i Coupe $33,900
128i Cabriolet $39,900
135i Coupe $41,700
135i Cabriolet $47,200

Freight & PDI $2195 (grrr...)
Source?

about 6k more than US for a 135i... but the 128i coupe isn't too bad.

[TenzoR]

Source?

about 6k more than US for a 135i... but the 128i coupe isn't too bad.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3741

[VorteC]

The tii is tempting, but it doesnt change how ugly the 1series is.. holy cow.

[Asad_A203]

The tii is tempting, but it doesnt change how ugly the 1series is.. holy cow.

1 series sure is ugly; just another reason to forget it and keep saving up for an S5:cheesygri.

[ES_Revenge]

Okay so I'm resurrecting this thread after a while, don't kill me.

I've now driven the 128 and 135 and wow do I love these cars. They are so small but still serious BMWs :) The 135i on it's performance-oriented tyres is pretty much impossible to move in the snow/ice due to it's high power, low grip, and low weight; but wow, still a nice car. Too bad there is no x-Drive version... Also too bad there is no hatch version in NA :( Still the only thing a larger/higher/bulkier/crappier Civic Si is gonna see is the rear end of the 1-series hahaha. :lol:

ALSO too bad Cdn. pricing blows! $35k US for a 135i or $43k CDN? No thanks!

Still I like it. Nice little car. Maybe in a few years when a 2008 model is cheaper, used...

Not much longer now as the official release will be on the 22nd and they are going to be hitting dealers as soon as the 19th (though you probably can't take delivery until the 22nd if you're actually trying to buy one?).

Very nice car though, I would rather the 1 over the 3, without a doubt. The only exception being that x-Drive is available on the 3 but not on the 1. Oh and I guess that the 1 convertible is soft-top and the 3 convertible is a hard-top.

[Andro]

I actually kinda like the exterior, however i'am not a big fan of the interior. Looks kinda cheap and very basic, also as someone earlier noted that there is not much legroom.

[40Niner]

Just happened upon this thread.
Wifey and I registered on BMW Canada's website and got a test drive tomorrow morning 8:00am at Pitt Meadows airport. Driving to it in her '88 325e (E30) and do a comparison of the two vehicles. I'm hoping to convince her to trade in her car.

[ES_Revenge]

Just happened upon this thread.
Wifey and I registered on BMW Canada's website and got a test drive tomorrow morning 8:00am at Pitt Meadows airport. Driving to it in her '88 325e (E30) and do a comparison of the two vehicles. I'm hoping to convince her to trade in her car.
LOL are you serious? What are you going to get on trade-in for a 1988 car? $10? Seriuosly most new car dealerships don't do trade-ins on anything over 6-7 years old with 10 years being a stretch (and they don't even keep cars older than 5 years old or so that they do trade-ins on they sell them to lesser used dealers). There's the exception of those sales where they tell you you can "tow it in" and they'll give you so many dollars towards a new car; but regularly, a car that's 20 years old? I'm almost sure they are going to tell you to keep it.

[dinb]

LOL are you serious? What are you going to get on trade-in for a 1988 car? $10? Seriuosly most new car dealerships don't do trade-ins on anything over 6-7 years old with 10 years being a stretch (and they don't even keep cars older than 5 years old or so that they do trade-ins on they sell them to lesser used dealers). There's the exception of those sales where they tell you you can "tow it in" and they'll give you so many dollars towards a new car; but regularly, a car that's 20 years old? I'm almost sure they are going to tell you to keep it.

Better yet, I am wondering what kind of a comparisson this guy is expecting to get? A 2008 Honda Civic vs 1988 3-series bmw is a night and day difference due to changes which have occured over the years. A 2008 BMW vs 1988 BMW is not even a contest.

[TenzoR]

Better yet, I am wondering what kind of a comparisson this guy is expecting to get? A 2008 Honda Civic vs 1988 3-series bmw is a night and day difference due to changes which have occured over the years. A 2008 BMW vs 1988 BMW is not even a contest.

Yeah the BMW will still out handle the Civic easily :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[spamblockers]

I think the car looks pretty good I might look into one of these bad boys ;)

[evoviii]

Any restrictions on importing the US version?

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

LOL are you serious? What are you going to get on trade-in for a 1988 car? $10? Seriuosly most new car dealerships don't do trade-ins on anything over 6-7 years old with 10 years being a stretch (and they don't even keep cars older than 5 years old or so that they do trade-ins on they sell them to lesser used dealers). There's the exception of those sales where they tell you you can "tow it in" and they'll give you so many dollars towards a new car; but regularly, a car that's 20 years old? I'm almost sure they are going to tell you to keep it.

Yay. My dream car is so attainable nowadays.

[Drew_W]

Any restrictions on importing the US version?

More than likely, BMW's usual. $850 in letters, plus a new gauge cluster (~$1300 installed).

Then add 6.1% duty, RIV fee, and remember that no charge scheduled maintenance no longer applies.

READ: http://www.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/can_us_faq_fs.asp?

[ryyeung]

I'm curious as to why BMW doesn't offer a 200hp BMW 123. They do offer the smaller engine on the 3-series, so why not the 1-series? With this engine, the base price could start under 30k no doubt.

[Drew_W]

I'm curious as to why BMW doesn't offer a 200hp BMW 123. They do offer the smaller engine on the 3-series, so why not the 1-series? With this engine, the base price could start under 30k no doubt.

If you've ever driven a 323, you know why there's nothing "sports" about that power train, and developing a compact sports coupe like the 123 would result in zero sales.

[thephenom]

I'm curious as to why BMW doesn't offer a 200hp BMW 123. They do offer the smaller engine on the 3-series, so why not the 1-series? With this engine, the base price could start under 30k no doubt.

I'm actually glad they didn't. The 323 itself is pretty much a poser BMW. It's so far away from their philosophy for providing a driver's car with exhilarating ride and agile handling. The 323 is heavy and underpowered, far from being a fun drive.

The 1-series is considered to be "reviving" that lost driver feel to BMW's lineup. 130 has good enough power to toss the car around, and the 135 will be a beast on its own. Having a 123, it would take away that "fun" factor of driving a BMW.

[HP_John]

The 323i handles fine, it has the same basic 3-Series suspension. It's definitely slow though, even though it's HP # isn't far from the 325i, there's a big difference in actual speed. They probably underrated the 325i's engine (BMW has underrated engines in the past).

[chickenbones]

I'm curious as to why BMW doesn't offer a 200hp BMW 123. They do offer the smaller engine on the 3-series, so why not the 1-series? With this engine, the base price could start under 30k no doubt.

323 is a Canada only option right now there's no 323 no more in the states. So I highly doubt BMW would introduce the engine in a brand new 1 series. 323 only exists 'cus it's rolling over an "older" gen to reach a lower price bracket. Kinda of like City Golf etc.

[MaDgamEr]

Don't you think BMW is kind of setting them selves up for the slaughter with this whole 1 series POS? I mean, right now everyone wants one because their dream car is "attainable".

But what are they cutting out of the ream BMW to make this thing affordable? Its kind of like sticking a BMW badge on a Kia.

[brendonp]

Don't you think BMW is kind of setting them selves up for the slaughter with this whole 1 series POS? I mean, right now everyone wants one because their dream car is "attainable".

But what are they cutting out of the ream BMW to make this thing affordable? Its kind of like sticking a BMW badge on a Kia.

Doesn't your comment indicate that more people will buy BMWs? That would seem to indicate that it's actually a rather bright move on BMW's part.... If you think that sales will be taken from the current 3er, you may or may not be correct, but it probably doesn't matter that much. The price difference between the two only matters if the profit margin is substantially lower or higher for one model or the other - as long as the margin on the 1 is similar to the margin on the 3, it really doesn't matter which vehicle is purchased - bringing people in with the 1 is probably the best thing that can happen. Then they can "step up" to a 3.... Yeah, it's all a little silly, but that's how most people think! Even more important is that there is now a step up to the next level of coupé for BMW without having to move to a significantly more expensive "M" or 6 series - probably also nothing but good.

Personally, I'd pass on the 1 and buy a used 335i - much nicer lines IMO...

[faston]

I went to that 1 series drive event at Pitt Meadows airport that the poster mentioned earlier. Interestingly, a number of the cars there had miles/mph on the instruments. Canadian plates too. Guess that $2100 'mandatory' Canadian gauge cluster modification doesn't apply to BMW Canada itself.

[thephenom]

Don't you think BMW is kind of setting them selves up for the slaughter with this whole 1 series POS? I mean, right now everyone wants one because their dream car is "attainable".

But what are they cutting out of the ream BMW to make this thing affordable? Its kind of like sticking a BMW badge on a Kia.

Not really, the 1-series is positioned to a different crowd IMO, in fact, I think BMW has expanded its target segment with the 1-series.

The 128i price point digs into a more entry level sports car market. 128i will most likely be competing with Miata, Solstice/Sky, RX8, and Mustang V6 and will probably beat most of these cars mentioned in performance. Price of course will vary depending on configuration. The 135i will be going head to head with 350z, S2000, G37, Mustang V8, Merc SLK, etc and should compete well in this class. While car size are largely different in the segment, they are all considered sports coupe.

The 1-series won't dig into 3 series sales either, I doubt anyone looking for a 3-series will be looking at the 1-series. A 3-series even the coupe can actually seat 4 with good practicality where as the 1-series is pretty much a 2 seater with the back being "dog seats".

[HP_John]

Don't you think BMW is kind of setting them selves up for the slaughter with this whole 1 series POS? I mean, right now everyone wants one because their dream car is "attainable".

But what are they cutting out of the ream BMW to make this thing affordable? Its kind of like sticking a BMW badge on a Kia.

I wouldn't call it a POS. Every review seemed to say it was a good car. I do think they're quite costly once you option it. Similarly equipped, they're not that much cheaper than a 3-Series (which I'd likely get over the 1-Series, considering the cost gap isn't too much).

[ES_Revenge]

Don't you think BMW is kind of setting them selves up for the slaughter with this whole 1 series POS? I mean, right now everyone wants one because their dream car is "attainable".
Clearly you haven't driven a 1-series. Definitely not a POS. If you have driven one I'd like to know how you got to the conclusion it's a POS. It's nearly the same as a 3-series only smaller.

But what are they cutting out of the ream BMW to make this thing affordable? Its kind of like sticking a BMW badge on a Kia.
Not at all. Again go drive a 1 series if you haven't and tell me it's anything like a Kia. Not everyone wants a huge car you know.

[ES_Revenge]

Not really, the 1-series is positioned to a different crowd IMO, in fact, I think BMW has expanded its target segment with the 1-series.

The 128i price point digs into a more entry level sports car market. 128i will most likely be competing with Miata, Solstice/Sky

The 135i will be going head to head with... S2000, ... Merc SLK etc and should compete well in this class. While car size are largely different in the segment, they are all considered sports coupe.
But BMW already has the Z4 and M Roadster variant to compete with these cars. (I deleted the other cars which didn't really seem to make sense IMO.)

The 1-series has rear seats so it's slightly different, so it kinda goes into a lot of categories I suppose.

The 1-series won't dig into 3 series sales either, I doubt anyone looking for a 3-series will be looking at the 1-series. A 3-series even the coupe can actually seat 4 with good practicality where as the 1-series is pretty much a 2 seater with the back being "dog seats".
Yeah it is real small in the back, no denying that I guess.

I mean comparison-wise the Audi A3 could be considered a competitor but the cars are vastly different... A3 is FWD (well there is the expensive Haldex-Quattro 3.2L and a 2.0T Quattro is coming in 09 but it's still a transverse layout) and the A3 actually has more interior room than an A4, plus more cargo room; the 1-series is RWD but far smaller than it's 3-series sibling in pretty much every area. MB has the craptastic B-class which is a horrible car IMO. Seems the entry level to luxury has many different paths!

[thephenom]

But BMW already has the Z4 and M Roadster variant to compete with these cars. (I deleted the other cars which didn't really seem to make sense IMO.)

The 1-series has rear seats so it's slightly different, so it kinda goes into a lot of categories I suppose.
To me, the Z4 was only really only competing against the SLK and stretch it by a little, the Boxster, but that's more M roadster territory. It wasn't light or that agile, it wasn't that fast, it wasn't much of a looker IMO, and a way over the top price tag.

Why don't you think RX8 and Mustang fit in the competition list with the 128? At first glance, they seems to be different category, but price point wise they are pretty close. Impracticality are also as close. While sizes are very different, it still belongs to the RWD sports car. :D And the same goes for 135 vs 350z/G37. Same RWD sports car, price are similar, power output are similar, and only the difference in size will make you think it goes against the 3-series.

SLK, S2k, those are more competition for 1-series convertible.

Yeah it is real small in the back, no denying that I guess.

I mean comparison-wise the Audi A3 could be considered a competitor but the cars are vastly different... A3 is FWD (well there is the expensive Haldex-Quattro 3.2L and a 2.0T Quattro is coming in 09 but it's still a transverse layout) and the A3 actually has more interior room than an A4, plus more cargo room; the 1-series is RWD but far smaller than it's 3-series sibling in pretty much every area. MB has the craptastic B-class which is a horrible car IMO. Seems the entry level to luxury has many different paths!

A3 is pushing the comparison here, TT would probably be more closely to the 135 comparison and A5 against 3-series.

At the end of day, I think this trend will continue. Genuine luxury market is only growing so big, you need to explore new segments to please the shareholders. When they saturate this new segment, I wouldn't be surprised if BMW had a car to compete against Civics and Corollas maybe via Mini.

[Gregamania]

The rear black plastic under bumper makes the car look cheap. I prefer the hatch also.

I know this thread is years old, but I had to comment.

We have 3 posts in a row bitching about the way the BMW coupe looks and heaping praise on a a ****ing HATCHBACK of all things. What planet are these people living on? Are you all a bunch of soccer moms in your 50's with 7 kids?

A hatchback??? Are you serious???

[cy]

I know this thread is years old, but I had to comment.

We have 3 posts in a row bitching about the way the BMW coupe looks and heaping praise on a a ****ing HATCHBACK of all things. What planet are these people living on? Are you all a bunch of soccer moms in your 50's with 7 kids?

A hatchback??? Are you serious???

So you did a search, dig'd up an old thread, and flame about other people's preferences?


Welcome to RFD..

[Andro]

I know this thread is years old, but I had to comment.

We have 3 posts in a row bitching about the way the BMW coupe looks and heaping praise on a a ****ing HATCHBACK of all things. What planet are these people living on? Are you all a bunch of soccer moms in your 50's with 7 kids?

A hatchback??? Are you serious???

I have a GTI, it's considered a hatch and i'am not a "soccer mom" in my 50's with 7 kids. What does hatchback has to do with soccer moms anyways? Minivans are for that.

So you did a search, dig'd up an old thread, and flame about other people's preferences?


Welcome to RFD..

+1

[proust]

Bringing this ttt instead of making a new thread about the 1-series :)

Has anyone purchased or leased one of these? Any first had reviews or feedback?

I find them reminiscent of the previous generation BMW 3 series (which, to me, looks better than the current 3-series)

[terrym]

Bringing this ttt instead of making a new thread about the 1-series :)

Has anyone purchased or leased one of these? Any first had reviews or feedback?

I find them reminiscent of the previous generation BMW 3 series (which, to me, looks better than the current 3-series)

Can't comment on the 1 series but I do own a 335i coupe - purchased the first one in BC. I leased it and loved it so much that I purchased it outright. it is a fantastic daily drive vehicle!

[notanexpert]

I have a GTI, it's considered a hatch and i'am not a "soccer mom" in my 50's with 7 kids. What does hatchback has to do with soccer moms anyways? Minivans are for that.


+++1

I actually have a BMW hatch (the ti) and I was hoping to trade it in for a 1-series hatch. No such luck I guess, so the ti will have to do for as many years as it will take for BMW to come up with a replacement in Canada.
I love how the 1-series drives, and it is a lot more powerful than my old ti, but I'm not prepared to shell out a lot of money to get a car that is bigger on the outside but smaller on the inside, with less cargo space and a lot less practicality. A lot heavier too. BMW, please get back to your roots, or at the very least, bring the 1-series hatch over here!
And no, I'm not a soccer mom, nor in my 50's.

[proust]

thanks for your input guys

Anyone else have any other input or experience with the 1-series?? :)

[Trowa]

I got a new 2009 1-series just in march.

I LOVE IT.

if you have questions ask away.