Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Vs. E6600

[iam_immigrant]

Need some opinions on which of these two to go with since they are pretty much the same price.

Computer will not be used for gaming at all. Strictly used for design applications (autocad - inventor). Could not find benchmarks relating to this type of work.

Any help is appreciated.

[xwar]

no question e6600 if they are the same price. every single review/forum will tell you this.

I'm not gonna type of the reasons, google is your friend :|

[tdotcbc84]

no question e6600 if they are the same price. every single review/forum will tell you this.

I'm not gonna type of the reasons, google is your friend :|

agreed

[board123]

When in doubt, always go Core 2.

[KorruptioN]

no question e6600 if they are the same price. every single review/forum will tell you this.

I'm not gonna type of the reasons, google is your friend :|

When in doubt, always go Core 2.

While there's no question the C2Ds are fast little chips, it is also easy to make blind assumptions.

http://techreport.com/reviews//2007q1/athlon64-x2-6000/index.x?pg=9
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2933&p=5

The 6000+ is faster in some rendering benchmarks than the E6700. Please be informed before you talk out of your ass, folks :cheesygri

[board123]

I think it's a pretty informed thing to say. I'm aware that the X2 6000+ packs quite some punch with its 3 GHz, and it certainly does beat out the E6600 occasionally. However, the keyword is occasionally. And you really have to try to find benchmarks where the X2 6000+ actually beats an E6600.

This goes back to the Athlon 64/Pentium 4 days. There was no question which chip was better, but there were cases where the P4 would win. Does that make the Athlon 64 any less of a clear winner out of the two?

[SKYMTL]

Korruption is right. The 6000+ is pretty much on par with the E6700 in many applications when at stock speed.

In addition, it also depends if you are doing any gaming. At or above 1280X1024 resolution, the CPU becomes less of a bottleneck; thereofore. in many cases even an X2 4600+ will perform nearly on-par with an E6700 when gaming at high resolutions.

[KorruptioN]

I forgot to say - overclocking is where the C2Ds shine. The 6000+ probably has very little, if any headroom available. It is already at 3GHz.

[Keas]

i havent seen any benchmarks on the amd 6000 so just going by the technology. the core duo is 1 generation above the current amd cpu's and it shows. intel has produced a better dual core and quad core cpu that handles things alot better and atleast in games i have seen where there is problems with the amd dueal core the intel doesnt have them. also intel has given thier cpu's ussually twice if not more cache on die which means alot in performance.

hopefully amd will come out with a newer generation that will beat the core duo and thus force intel to also step up to the plate again.

so you know there is supposed to be major price drops on the intel cpus in july so if you can wait a month you could pick up a faster cpu for the same price.

[SKYMTL]

Like I said, when gaming at or above 1280 X 1024 with any type of AA or AF enabled, the AM2 and C2D processors run pretty much neck and neck.

[KorruptioN]

i havent seen any benchmarks on the amd 6000 so just going by the technology. the core duo is 1 generation above the current amd cpu's and it shows. intel has produced a better dual core and quad core cpu that handles things alot better and atleast in games i have seen where there is problems with the amd dueal core the intel doesnt have them. also intel has given thier cpu's ussually twice if not more cache on die which means alot in performance.

Quoted sections for emphasis... :rolleyes:

[ShadowVlican]

I forgot to say - overclocking is where the C2Ds shine. The 6000+ probably has very little, if any headroom available. It is already at 3GHz.
+1

this is why there should be no enthusiast who buys high end AMD CPUs

[Avatar]

Intel is generally more expensive than AMD as Intel still monopolize the CPU market.

So if they are the same price, I'll say AMD usually faster. Have to compare apple to apple. So the speed is equivalent to E6700 but cheaper.

Go for AMD. Competition is good for us. Price for CPU has been down quite a bit because of this.

[bcbgboy13]

Need some opinions on which of these two to go with since they are pretty much the same price.

Computer will not be used for gaming at all. Strictly used for design applications (autocad - inventor). Could not find benchmarks relating to this type of work.

Any help is appreciated.

Do you need this one NOW (as in a few days) or can you wait until July22.

At this time you will be able to buy a 2.4 GHz QUAD Core Q6600 or the 3GHz DUAL Core Conroe E6850 (for US$ 266 give or take a change)

[Desolatax]

C2D's really shine in their overclockability. My 1.8GHz e4300 is at 2.7GHz (max for my board, ASrock 775DUAL-VSTA) and my buddy has his at 3.1GHz on his P5B-E SLI (Think that is the model), both on air cooling (aftermarket). No way you can get that much of an improvement on any AMD chip, even with water cooling

[terrybear]

Well as MANY have chimed in here & said ..... core2duo cpu is right now your better choice especialy if your planning to render 3D graphics & what not.

Gamingwise absolutly no diffrence between the 2 as someone pointed out beyond 1280x1024 with all things on.

Where your gonna see the advantage of the 6000+ is when it comes down to motherboards & ram & if you plan on running things all stock with no oc's ... core2duo boards are on average $160+ to utilize & oc them. vs IF you say bought a AMD690G board to run your 6000+ on which would run you around $90 on average & a good cheap 2 gig kit of low latency / cas 4 DDR2 800 ram to run with it.

If you see in my sig, my cpu, ram & motherboard (most exspencive AMD690G ya can get) cost me to upgrade to them $520 1 day shipped from ncix. with the simular setup of course with the 6000+ your probly gonna be just around the same price to do so. the other big advantage of this setup is that the chipset with video disabled is super cool & uses less wattage then the nvidia ones out there & I think intels too ... but don't totaly quote me on the intel part of that. :P

So again .... comes down to ultimatly what your goal is & what your price range is as well. Hope my input has helped ya some :)

[Polaren]

After most people have identified the common things between the processors, me being a enthusiast have now jumped the intel ship and went back to AMD, mainly because I found for cost Intel wasn't really worth it for what I need to accomplish with my PC.

The E6600 is a good chip, even better OC'd, you will find most Intel setups will cost you more upfront than a AMD system. As for the direct programs you are looking at I believe the 6000+ from what I have seen performs better, but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I have looked into those exact benchmarks.

[iam_immigrant]

Thanks for all the replies.

There will be no OC'ing done. Might be a remote chance but very slim. So I'm looking mostly at stock performance.

And as mentioned in the initial post NO GAMES!

Do you need this one NOW (as in a few days) or can you wait until July22.

At this time you will be able to buy a 2.4 GHz QUAD Core Q6600 or the 3GHz DUAL Core Conroe E6850 (for US$ 266 give or take a change)

Yes the system will be purchased by the end of the week for the company I work for (relatively small company and have to stay on budget).


So right now the X2 6000+ is looking like the choice to go with.

[JLee]

go with the intel c2d.

[formalentity]

I forgot to say - overclocking is where the C2Ds shine. The 6000+ probably has very little, if any headroom available. It is already at 3GHz.

actually i've heard of these going at 3.7GHZ on a few forums but yeah Duo Core would probably be better at least for now :P I bet amd will come out with something better and cheaper maybe :cheesygri

[Negotiator]

These guys are killing me. No matter how many times you tell them one thing that you need, they will give you something else with almost 100% chance. Is this trying to sound smart and showing that you know something rather than giving some actual help? Why switch to/continue talk about gaming and overclocking if it's mentioned that neither will be done?

Anyway, just to post something useful here, check out the link:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=432&model2=694&chart=174

You can find quite a few benchmarks there to see how the two processors compare. Don't mind the higher 3dmark06 score for AMD 6000+ - it's a synthetic score, which doesn't necesseraly reflect the real performance. Personally, I think if there is any difference between the 2 processors then it's a very close call, almost negligible but e6600 has a better potential, and can use the same motherboard to step up to quad core in the nearest future. Beside, e6600 is about $10 cheaper on the average :)

[formalentity]

These guys are killing me. No matter how many times you tell them one thing that you need, they will give you something else with almost 100% chance. Is this trying to sound smart and showing that you know something rather than giving some actual help? Why switch to/continue talk about gaming and overclocking if it's mentioned that neither will be done?

Anyway, just to post something useful here, check out the link:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=432&model2=694&chart=174

You can find quite a few benchmarks there to see how the two processors compare. Don't mind the higher 3dmark06 score for AMD 6000+ - it's a synthetic score, which doesn't necesseraly reflect the real performance. Personally, I think if there is any difference between the 2 processors then it's a very close call, almost negligible but e6600 has a better potential, and can use the same motherboard to step up to quad core in the nearest future. Beside, e6600 is about $10 cheaper on the average :)

lol :P yeah thats why i said Duo Core is the better choice :P

[hawkbox]

If this is a work computer get the X2 and the cheaper motherboard and spent the extra on ram if you are doing CAD computing.

You will need the extra ram more than the minor differences in horsepower.

[toujours]

If this is a work computer get the X2 and the cheaper motherboard and spent the extra on ram if you are doing CAD computing.

You will need the extra ram more than the minor differences in horsepower.+1

I recently upgraded to X2 and spent the money I saved on extra RAM and still came out cheaper.

[apvm]

If this is a work computer get the X2 and the cheaper motherboard and spent the extra on ram if you are doing CAD computing.

You will need the extra ram more than the minor differences in horsepower.

+1

[Polaren]

That's mainly what I wanted to point out, is that the motherboard will cost you less and you can grab some more RAM for the price difference between a C2D and the X2.
That and the socket AM2 boards will be able to drop in Phenom X4 and X2's so AMD says, so Intel doesn't really have a upgradeability path that AMD doesn't at the moment.

[edgarb]

Grab the Intel, sorry but AMD is behind in this generation whether you want to admit it or not. The c2d probably generates less heat too...

[iam_immigrant]

Thanks to all that replied.

Boss decided to go with E6600 mainly since both are about same on price and performance but since E6600 uses slightly less power and runs cooler....so Intel it is.

Once again thanks for all the help.

[magical]

regardless of heat, speed, generations etc, the intel platform using a intel chipset has beat out amd for ages at least for stability/compatiblity... If I want headaches with a bit more speed i'll go amd but that was the only reason, usually they were a bit cheaper as that is why people wanted them ...

[SLee]

Boss decided to go with E6600 mainly since both are about same on price and performance but since E6600 uses slightly less power and runs cooler....so Intel it is.
I would say the power difference is pretty significant though, the E6600 at full load uses less than 50% of the power of the 6000+:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/657-2/amd-athlon-64-6000.html

It's pretty easy to build a near-silent system around the E6600, while the 6000+ is starting to enter Pentium D territory.

[KorruptioN]

regardless of heat, speed, generations etc, the intel platform using a intel chipset has beat out amd for ages at least for stability/compatiblity... If I want headaches with a bit more speed i'll go amd but that was the only reason, usually they were a bit cheaper as that is why people wanted them ...

Headaches on any platform are often because of user error.

[board123]

regardless of heat, speed, generations etc, the intel platform using a intel chipset has beat out amd for ages at least for stability/compatiblity... If I want headaches with a bit more speed i'll go amd but that was the only reason, usually they were a bit cheaper as that is why people wanted them ...
Care to share some personal experiences? Every platform is perfectly stable if you don't overclock. If it's not stable at stock speeds, it's called a defective product.

[squall458]

Care to share some personal experiences? Every platform is perfectly stable if you don't overclock. If it's not stable at stock speeds, it's called a defective product.

+1 and I still can't believe that I am hearing that Intel platform is more stable than AMD argument.

[hawkbox]

Its probably some fanatic from the K6-2 days hasnt gotten over it. Power and heat requirements are perfectly valid reasons to by the intel. If hes willing to spend a bit extra on it then more power to him. Im considering it for a WHS server so I can use my precision workstation as my PVR like I am now.

[terrybear]

Actualy his best setup would have been a X2 5600+ on a AMD690G Motherboard. AND that setup would have ran just as cool as the intel one.
But if someone was running a Intel/Nvidia setup there not cool at all.

[magical]

Care to share some personal experiences? Every platform is perfectly stable if you don't overclock. If it's not stable at stock speeds, it's called a defective product.


I gave up a long time ago, just after athlon XP's came out, because every time I would build a AMD system and I build a lot of systems, something would need to be tweaked to have it run ... (plus I build the majority of the systems for business, who can care less about a little more speed for the $$ would rather have reliablity .. and its way easier learning the ins and outs of one chipset VS a few)

Even when I did my research on the perfect AMD board (Nforce) at the time, I had nothing but grief, and incompatibilities, where people would blame MS or someone else for it (SP-2 XP was suppsevly a culprit aswell)... I could care less about whom to blame, but I needed the thing to work, as soon as I replaced that AMD system with a intel system it worked fine ... so I gave up and never looked back ..

thats why I gave them up, they are tweakers systems, which if you have time to tweak you can probably get them running properly ... I dont care what others think this is only my opinion anyways ...

Just like in my opinion, ANTEC's quality has gone to #$#@$$#@ and I wouldn't buy one of there crappy power supplys with low end crap caps anymore ... although in the past they were top notch! ... everything changes, and now the reason to buy AMD is gone, where they used to be cheaper than intel and give a performance increase, intel has closed this gap and became king, even of overclocking ....

So now I only use Corsair Power Supplies, Corsair Ram, and intel branded boards with core 2 duos ... and seagate hard drives... but thats a touchy subject aswell... cause seagate sure has gone to crap aswell failure wise ... in the last few months have had several systems come back about a month into use with failed seagate drives.... never saw this as much in the past, and have always stuck with them... might have to switch to WD but we'll see.... products change, and you have to go with the flow .... who knows one day antec might sharpen there pencil and replace those crappy cap's with some decent ones again and I'll start buying there PS ... but for now this is what we got...

[KorruptioN]

Just like in my opinion, ANTEC's quality has gone to #$#@$$#@ and I wouldn't buy one of there crappy power supplys with low end crap caps anymore ... although in the past they were top notch!

The quality has gone to crap because the power supplies got OLD, simple as that. Capacitors don't last forever, even good ones. They're all built by Seasonic now, so if you've still got a personal vendetta against them, you're only missing out. You say you only use Corsair power supplies - guess what? They're built by Seasonic also.

[magical]

The quality has gone to crap because the power supplies got OLD, simple as that. Capacitors don't last forever, even good ones. They're all built by Seasonic now, so if you've still got a personal vendetta against them, you're only missing out. You say you only use Corsair power supplies - guess what? They're built by Seasonic also.

all my old ANTEC stuff is still running fine, I am talking about the current product line ....

I'm glad you replied with this response cause you know nothing ....

they are "BASED" on SEASONICS design ... that is correct, where you are wrong, is the fact that ANTEC uses the CHEAPEST CAPS they can get there hands on .... thats why they are failing and suck ass ... they can have the best design of anyone but use the cheapest caps and still suck.... this is why I hate them, rather than RMAing your next dead or problematic (this is what I find more with the product) ANTEC .. open it up, and if you know ANYTHING about electronics you will see the crap they are using inside ...

If you want to make it into a good power supply, then replace the CAPS and the supply is back up to good old antec quality ... otherwise you still got crap..

Word of the day from ANTEC ... why use good capacitors when you can use "Fuhjyyu"

[terrybear]

Even when I did my research on the perfect AMD board (Nforce) at the time, I had nothing but grief, and incompatibilities, where people would blame MS or someone else for it (SP-2 XP was suppsevly a culprit aswell)... I could care less about whom to blame, but I needed the thing to work, as soon as I replaced that AMD system with a intel system it worked fine ... so I gave up and never looked back ..

thats why I gave them up, they are tweakers systems, which if you have time to tweak you can probably get them running properly ... I dont care what others think this is only my opinion anyways ...



Intel must be cuttin ya a nice checque to have that close minded of a vew of ALL AMD stuff needs to be " tweaked " or is not stable for pc builds. In fact I know for a fact alot of intel systems have had just about as much problems as AMD ones have.

I can honestly say I have seen NO diffrence whatsoever in a intel OR amd system as in the way of " tweakin " goes as ALL platforms need to be "tweaked".

And before you reply back tryin to say I am a " AMDFanboy " I have both Intel & AMD systems & I have recomended to peaple whom have asked AMD & Intel systems.

Both processors have there advantages .. the problem simply is this .. Intel has always made chipsets to use with them. IF AMD has continued to do so they would be in the same position as Intel has been. The problem has always came back to the same thing .. 3rd party chipsets causing the headache's for any consumer or business owner to use them. Thats why when I finaly could I moved from my nforce4 platforms to a AMD690G one & not regrettin it 1 bit at all. :)

[magical]

Intel must be cuttin ya a nice checque to have that close minded of a vew of ALL AMD stuff needs to be " tweaked " or is not stable for pc builds. In fact I know for a fact alot of intel systems have had just about as much problems as AMD ones have.

I can honestly say I have seen NO diffrence whatsoever in a intel OR amd system as in the way of " tweakin " goes as ALL platforms need to be "tweaked".

And before you reply back tryin to say I am a " AMDFanboy " I have both Intel & AMD systems & I have recomended to peaple whom have asked AMD & Intel systems.

Both processors have there advantages .. the problem simply is this .. Intel has always made chipsets to use with them. IF AMD has continued to do so they would be in the same position as Intel has been. The problem has always came back to the same thing .. 3rd party chipsets causing the headache's for any consumer or business owner to use them. Thats why when I finaly could I moved from my nforce4 platforms to a AMD690G one & not regrettin it 1 bit at all. :)

Nah everyone is so freaking defensive about this crap, at the time that I gave up with AMD there was no AMD chipset, maybe if there was I would have given it a go ....

INTEL was definatly going downhill with the Pentium 4 Processors anyways, and if they never came out with the Core 2 duo's I would have been forced to try AMD again ... because the prescotts and such were jokes... Northwoods were a great processor, but they went downhill from then till the core 2's ...

I gave up, especially when I have 4-6 computers... it seemed that everyone was willing to have the odd BSOD with the AMD boxes where I couldn't tolerate one ever!

And again, I havn't bothered with one for a long time, so I am going from past experience, thing is I won't bother with a AMD for now anyways cause the core 2 duo trounces on whatever the AMD has goin (currently) and I like sticking to stuff that I am used to ... I'm actually the only one that likes the LGA775 retention mechanism... it took a bit of getting used to but now I like it ...

[Keas]

regardless of heat, speed, generations etc, the intel platform using a intel chipset has beat out amd for ages at least for stability/compatiblity... If I want headaches with a bit more speed i'll go amd but that was the only reason, usually they were a bit cheaper as that is why people wanted them ...

that statement about intels stabilty/compatibilty hasnt been true since their glory days of the old bx? boards (p2 days).
intel has had just as many issues with stability as amd and for years every little tweak of the cpu sent people scrambling to buy a new mb chipset while amd tried to keep with the same chipset for a few generations(socket A for example). Intel doesnt let a chipset last long enough now to claim more stability.

nforce3 and 4 were solid boards to the point where intel finally put the nf4 into thier line.

i'm not saying intel doesnt have stable boards but between the 2 and as far as that statement of the poster amd has been the leader in for along time in both in my opinion.

[magical]

that statement about intels stabilty/compatibilty hasnt been true since their glory days of the old bx? boards (p2 days).
intel has had just as many issues with stability as amd and for years every little tweak of the cpu sent people scrambling to buy a new mb chipset while amd tried to keep with the same chipset for a few generations(socket A for example). Intel doesnt let a chipset last long enough now to claim more stability.

nforce3 and 4 were solid boards to the point where intel finally put the nf4 into thier line.

i'm not saying intel doesnt have stable boards but between the 2 and as far as that statement of the poster amd has been the leader in for along time in both in my opinion.

My problems with AMD were long after BX (P2) days...

My main issue was BSOD when trying to use daemon tools under SP-2 ... under SP-1 it worked...

Everyone blamed MS for the problem, some blamed AMD, some blamed the lousy VIA chipset .. regardless of the problem I had nothing but grief.. updated board to NF2 board and still had the same issue....

Then my friend opened a gaming center with all AMD vs intel.. I told him to go intel but he had to go amd cause he saved money per machine... he loved it .. but he didn't consider the lockups and BSOD's a issue.. where I do ...

I'm not going to comment anymore.. I will leave it as these are my own personal experiences... take it as you will or leave it ... I dont care anymore ...

[KorruptioN]

all my old ANTEC stuff is still running fine, I am talking about the current product line ....

I'm glad you replied with this response cause you know nothing ....

they are "BASED" on SEASONICS design ... that is correct, where you are wrong, is the fact that ANTEC uses the CHEAPEST CAPS they can get there hands on .... thats why they are failing and suck ass ... they can have the best design of anyone but use the cheapest caps and still suck.... this is why I hate them, rather than RMAing your next dead or problematic (this is what I find more with the product) ANTEC .. open it up, and if you know ANYTHING about electronics you will see the crap they are using inside ...

If you want to make it into a good power supply, then replace the CAPS and the supply is back up to good old antec quality ... otherwise you still got crap..

Word of the day from ANTEC ... why use good capacitors when you can use "Fuhjyyu"

Don't tell me I know nothing when you're the one who has it all wrong.

Antec (who really manufactures nothing at all, I'm sure you didn't know) doesn't use Fuhjyyu caps in their power supplies anymore. Their old supplier, Channel Well Technologies, they were known for using the cheaper capacitors in all of their designs. This is what caused Antec's more recent woes as their power supplies got older. If anything, your older CWT-Antecs should've died by now if you had them under operation for so long. Fuhjyyu caps aren't even bad capacitors, they just didn't like heat. RMA it (if it's still under warranty) and you'll get back a newer Seasonic-based unit. All the recent Seasonic-based units (which is pretty much all of them) use either Hitachi, Nippon-Chemicon, or OST caps. So please, stop talking out of your (http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=51&page_num=3) ass (http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=12&page_num=4).

I'm not going to comment anymore.. I will leave it as these are my own personal experiences... take it as you will or leave it ... I dont care anymore ...

Clearly your own personal experiences are flawed and should not be posted as fact.

[magical]

Don't tell me I know nothing when you're the one who has it all wrong.

Antec (who really manufactures nothing at all, I'm sure you didn't know) doesn't use Fuhjyyu caps in their power supplies anymore. Their old supplier, Channel Well Technologies, they were known for using the cheaper capacitors in all of their designs. This is what caused Antec's more recent woes as their power supplies got older. If anything, your older CWT-Antecs should've died by now if you had them under operation for so long. Fuhjyyu caps aren't even bad capacitors, they just didn't like heat. RMA it (if it's still under warranty) and you'll get back a newer Seasonic-based unit. All the recent Seasonic-based units (which is pretty much all of them) use either Hitachi, Nippon-Chemicon, or OST caps. So please, stop talking out of your (http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=51&page_num=3) ass (http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=12&page_num=4).



Clearly your own personal experiences are flawed and should not be posted as fact.

Get your facts straight buddy they are still using the Fuhjyyu Caps (seasonic design) and antec still suck ...

nuff said.

[skyblue12]

did you know that when a single core celeron c2d is stripped down to 512kb cache it performs at the same level as an Athlon64 with the same clock speed. Wink Wink its the cache that really helps its performance not to mention the overclockablilty. Thx to intel for releasing the celerons and bringing the realization to light

[Polaren]

Thanks for clearing that up on the Antec Power Supplies Korruption, I was nearly about to post the same information regarding the capacitors.

[board123]

did you know that when a single core celeron c2d is stripped down to 512kb cache it performs at the same level as an Athlon64 with the same clock speed. Wink Wink its the cache that really helps its performance not to mention the overclockablilty. Thx to intel for releasing the celerons and bringing the realization to light
1. No such thing as a single core Celeron C2D. Why? Because "single" and "Core 2 Duo" simply don't mix.

2. If anything, more cache hinders overclocking. It draws more power and therefore you need to put in more vcore. That's why the E6600 needs more volts than the E6300.

[KorruptioN]

Get your facts straight buddy they are still using the Fuhjyyu Caps (seasonic design) and antec still suck ...

nuff said.

Are you stupid? My facts are straight - I proved to you and everybody that they're not. Even CWT isn't using Fuhjyyu caps anymore, they've moved on to Hitachi and Samxon, like in the Thermaltake Toughpowers.

You're the one who's got it all wrong. Prove me wrong. You can't.

[board123]

Are you stupid? My facts are straight - I proved to you and everybody that they're not. Even CWT isn't using Fuhjyyu caps anymore, they've moved on to Hitachi and Samxon, like in the Thermaltake Toughpowers.

You're the one who's got it all wrong. Prove me wrong. You can't.
I learned this in class a little while ago. His behavior is what they call "cognitive tunneling."

:idea:

[magical]

Are you stupid? My facts are straight - I proved to you and everybody that they're not. Even CWT isn't using Fuhjyyu caps anymore, they've moved on to Hitachi and Samxon, like in the Thermaltake Toughpowers.

You're the one who's got it all wrong. Prove me wrong. You can't.

Actually I will my friend just picked up a new antec case and his friend didn't want the ps cause its ****, he's the type of person that replaces those crap caps for good ones, I'll get a picture of the inside of the power supply for your know-it-all live by tomshardware ass!

tomshardware is god!
google is your friend!

[skyblue12]

1. No such thing as a single core Celeron C2D. Why? Because "single" and "Core 2 Duo" simply don't mix.


well what i meant was the single core variant of the core2duo which is now using the Celeron 4x0 moniker
if i could i would provide a link, but XS seems to be down at the moment

[board123]

I'm aware of that new line up. It's going to be a hit.

[skyblue12]

it performs pretty similar to an athlon64 at the same clock but will oc probably to the mid 3ghz lol pwning amd all over ahah GG FX LINE

[KorruptioN]

Actually I will my friend just picked up a new antec case and his friend didn't want the ps cause its ****, he's the type of person that replaces those crap caps for good ones, I'll get a picture of the inside of the power supply for your know-it-all live by tomshardware ass!

tomshardware is god!
google is your friend!

It does depend on the case he got. If he got an older model case (the TX640B is an example), it'll probably have a CWT-based unit. What did he get?

I know that I'm right, and that you're wrong. Any Seasonic-based unit will not have Fuhjyyu capacitors. This includes:

SU-380
SU-430
All NeoHE
All TruePower Trio
All Earthwatts

Basiq power supplies are built by Fortron and won't have Fuhjyyu caps either.

I haven't been to Tom's Hardware in years. You're still the one who's wrong.