Loblaws at Yonge/16 starving birds to death

[aron]

Just saw a Rogers Local News just reporting that the Loblaws on Yonge and 16th had recently erected a mesh on their canopy that trapped many young birds inside. When a passerby noticed some birds trying to get back to their nest to feed their young, she raised the issue to the management. They told her to forget about it, and let them STARVE to death.

Loblaws said their primary concern was to get the birds out, and keep the area clean. If that WAS their concern, which is quite valid, could they not at least have removed the nests prior to erecting the mesh? Or, even if they are cruel and heartless, kill the birds before putting up the mesh. Why make the birds suffer by starving them to death? They could've easily waited to the end of the mating season when all the birds have grown up, and they could've taken down the nests without any problems.

Just wanted to get this out there.. gets my blood boiling. Ridiculous. And please, none of that "are YOU a vegetarian?" kind of crap because this is not about whether the birds have to die, but the fact that Loblaws condones suffering. Like I said earlier, at least have the decency to put the birds out of their misery instead of making them suffer. Although if all this publicity is just gonna make them kill the birds, hah... I can only laugh at the pathetic state of our society.

[dre145]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

[chococrazy]

I agree with the OP.

dre145, the OP's post has nothing to do with world hunger. I am sure that people starving to death horrifies the OP as well.

I think, my 'great world' would include ending world hunger and stopping animal cruelty.

And yes, I know I'm going to get flamed for it so flame away.

[alysomji]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

Every little bit helps. The world can't just drop everything and focus only on whatever it is that YOU think is most important.

Small problems add up to big problems.

[masterballer]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

+ infinity

[MkmBandit]

Birds owe me two windshields. :mad:

[atforum]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

True. But that does not mean we have leave these birds die >:( You cant go and tell bush not to bomb some houses, but you can go to loblaws and talk with a sensible manager or create some fuss that will make them remove it asap

EDIT: the bush pun was used just to stress a point. Pl. dont make it a political issue..thanks

[chococrazy]

I'm hoping the Toronto Humane Society was contacted:

http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/animalcruelty/default.asp

[dre145]

I have nothing against OP's idea of bringing this to the attention of the RFD community.

But from my personal experience, people seem to care more about animals then other human beings. Or just the fact if you dont see it then it doesnt happen

[Oni-kun]

Birds in a grocery store or any place that stores or serves food is a HEALTH HAZARD thats why they are killed and removed, or trapped and removed. Bird droppings can contain some nasty stuff. Birds fly into big box stores all the time and they get caught by mesh traps and they let them die and a company comes and removes them.

[rc51]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

People are being trapped in mesh fencing and not allowed to get food...where exactly is this happening?

[chococrazy]

Birds in a grocery store or any place that stores or serves food is a HEALTH HAZARD thats why they are killed and removed, or trapped and removed. Bird droppings can contain some nasty stuff. Birds fly into big box stores all the time and they get caught by mesh traps and they let them die and a company comes and removes them.

Yes, birds living in a grocery store is a health hazard. I'm assuming that the birds are outside of the store.

Yes, bird droppings can contain some nasty stuff. I'm assuming they're not aiming and pooping in people's grocery bags as they walk by.

If they can catch them, why not just let them live?

[atforum]

some local rfd'er can call the toronto humane society tomorrow.

[chococrazy]

I have nothing against OP's idea of bringing this to the attention of the RFD community.

But from my personal experience, people seem to care more about animals then other human beings. Or just the fact if you dont see it then it doesnt happen

Nonsense. One only has to look at various fundraising events. Look at Sunday's Becel Ride for Heart, which raised 2.7 million dollars. That money isn't going to be researching swine heart ailments!

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/06/05/charities.html

According to StatsCan, 85% of Canadian adults donate to charity. Unfortunately for us, the article doesn't break down between 'human' charities and 'animal' charities.

Here is the breakdown that it does give:

While more money was contributed to religious groups, other organizations attracted broader support. Only 38 per cent of adult Canadians sent money to religious organizations, while 57 per cent made donations to health groups and 43 per cent donated to social services organizations.

So don't worry, dre145... we haven't forgotten about the people.

[dre145]

People are being trapped in mesh fencing and not allowed to get food...where exactly is this happening?

ever heard of the Ukrainian Genocide i bet you didnt up to 10 milion people died in a matter of a year. - Ok fine this happened a long time ago but u still didnt learn about this in school, or even know that this happened.

Do I even need to talk about the third world countries in africa. The people there either starve or are killed by wars going on in the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine
check "Famine today"

[gman]

Birds owe me two windshields. :mad:

Bird cracked your windshields? An eagle?

For OP, contact humane society. The management can easily remove the nest. Keeping the dead bodies there and let them rod is not exactly right regardless of the life of the young birds.

[atforum]

Only 38 per cent of adult Canadians sent money to religious organizations.


I am not comfortable with so many people donating to religious groups. They should better spend it on health organisations or should save it in their bank

[gman]

ever heard of the Ukrainian Genocide i bet you didnt up to 10 milion people died in a matter of a year. - Ok fine this happened a long time ago but u still didnt learn about this in school, or even know that this happened.

Do I even need to talk about the third world countries in africa. The people there either starve or are killed by wars going on in the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine
check "Famine today"

What is your point?

I guess you can bring this out saying who care the kids are murdered in school because of Ukrainian Genocide killed more. Or, who cares about a woman was raped because there was Nanking Massacre.

Something a lot worse does not make something which is bad okay.

[abu_sme]

It's one of these out of sight out of mind things that I am seeing in this thread. If you want to see REAL bird carnage come visit some vineyards. Most have switched to nets that don't trap birds, but there are still a few "gillnetters" that litterally have hundreds of birds trapped in em.

Birds are largely pests. Loblaws could never go far enough to "protect" the "innocent" birds. If they were to remove the nests first they would be in bad shape, if they poisoned the birds and then put up the mesh, they would be in even worse shape.

Loblaws had a problem, and needed to get rid of it in the most effective way.

I usually always see a bird or two flying around my local superstore. I am glad that loblaws is taking steps to remove these disease ridden pests from the public.


People seem to have no trouble with those sticky mouse/rat traps that are used in commercial pest control.

*puts on flame suit*

[BelligerentDog]

Mouse traps are a horrible horrible thing, no animal deserves to die such a painful death. I've seen birds flying around in supermarkets before, and I've seriously never thought, "Oh my god, that's so disgusting. What a pest, someone should kill it." I always hope someone can capture it and put it back outside. Obviously Loblaws can capture them, so why let them starve when they can just relocate them?

[sockhead]

Mouse traps are a horrible horrible thing, no animal deserves to die such a painful death. I've seen birds flying around in supermarkets before, and I've seriously never thought, "Oh my god, that's so disgusting. What a pest, someone should kill it." I always hope someone can capture it and put it back outside. Obviously Loblaws can capture them, so why let them starve when they can just relocate them?

Mouse traps are not painful. They snap the neck above the cervical vertebrae. Instant.

[BelligerentDog]

Mouse traps are not painful. They snap the neck above the cervical vertebrae. Instant.

Assuming they're at the perfect angle when the trap goes down. More often than not, it crushes their skull, or they get caught on the back, or it gets a limb instead and they die a slow, agonizing death.

[junywanab]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

Cruelty to animals puts one at a high risk of murder

[ricoboxing]

Cruelty to animals puts one at a high risk of murder

I guess that veal sandwich I'm gonna eat at lunch is gonna make me a higher risk of killing people. Mmmm veal!http://www.ciwf.org.uk/images/3Campaigns/campaignocex1.jpg

[Sylvestre]

meh, feel bad for birds and all but they are a pest. People don't think twice when killing rats, ants, bugs etc. Just cause these animals are bigger doesn't make them more important.

[epiphony]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

I see, so we should only focus on what you consider the biggest of problems rather than concern ourselves with what you consider to be the smallest of problems. Tell me, what's the air like up there? :rolleyes:

Fact is, this bird situation could easily be remedied by Loblaws, and the apathy of the employee to the situation is troubling. Do you have a quick, overnight solution for poverty and hunger? I'd love to hear it. Or do you just wear your "Make Poverty History" bracelet to feel like you've made a difference while cruising for left-wing hippie chicks in your parent's BMW?

[ElChico]

I'll reserve my view until i know what kind of birds we're talking here. Peregrines? Whooping Cranes? Spotted Owls?

I hope you didn't start a thread for an invasive species like House Sparrows or Pigeons.

[Emancipated]

I agree with the OP.

dre145, the OP's post has nothing to do with world hunger. I am sure that people starving to death horrifies the OP as well.

I think, my 'great world' would include ending world hunger and stopping animal cruelty.

And yes, I know I'm going to get flamed for it so flame away.

It's a shame that not more people can express compassion for issues like this. OP has it spot on.

EDIT: On second thought, I retract my statement. I'm going to have a burger for lunch today and I don't want that on my conscience.

[vladislav]

meh, feel bad for birds and all but they are a pest. People don't think twice when killing rats, ants, bugs etc. Just cause these animals are bigger doesn't make them more important.

Some people do care but in general you are right.

The whole 'human' issue is irrelevant, people can fend for themselves, caged birds can't.

[ricoboxing]

I'll reserve my view until i know what kind of birds we're talking here. Peregrines? Whooping Cranes? Spotted Owls?

I hope you didn't start a thread for an invasive species like House Sparrows or Pigeons.

+1

if it's a bunch of crows, pigeons or sparrows, then they should just leave the nets there.

[aron]

I'm not debating whether they are pests, or what. I'm saying, if Loblaws wants to get rid of them, at least kill them humanely, or remove them physically from the property, instead of forcing them to starve and suffer.

And I did contact Humane Society about it last night.

[Canuck_2005]

A few years ago my gf's family had a bird come into their house through the chimney. The three of them spent almost an hour to catch it and release it outside. They live in a 2300sq ft house, how do you expect them to catch a bird in a 25,000 sq ft building?

And about the mouse thing, last time i checked you can by glue traps for mice. That seems pretty much the same death as these mesh traps.

[teknoluv]

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in
People who don't care about other living beings (like a few birds) very often won't care too much about other people starving to death. On the contrary, those who feel for the animals are most likely also passionate about people.

[Menace]

Loblaws is a one big f__ed company for those who don't know. They only care about surviving in the business than a few young birds. It's a shame that they can get away with this killing.

[ricoboxing]

at least kill them humanely

how the hell r u suppose to kill these small birds humanely? inject each one with an anesthetic then shoot it in the head?

[chococrazy]

I can count how many times I've purposefully killed anything (including insects) on one hand.

[gman]

A few years ago my gf's family had a bird come into their house through the chimney. The three of them spent almost an hour to catch it and release it outside. They live in a 2300sq ft house, how do you expect them to catch a bird in a 25,000 sq ft building?

And about the mouse thing, last time i checked you can by glue traps for mice. That seems pretty much the same death as these mesh traps.

I believe this thread is about some young birds which are in the nests (in the outside of the building) and cannot fly and the entrance for the adult birds to access the nests is blocked. It is about removing the nestswith the birds which cannot fly. You don't need to catch any flying birds.

[teknoluv]

I can count how many times I've purposefully killed anything (including insects) on one hand.
Yes, that's very inspiring. When I was young (much younger than I am now), I used to kill insects with indifference; now I come to appreciate LIVES (both mine and those of others) more, I try my best to avoid that. Last time I actually killed a small snake, yes, SNAKE, at least 18 inches long, INSIDE MY BASEMENT, I felt bad for quite a long while.

[Asun]

I can count how many times I've purposefully killed anything (including insects) on one hand.

I gather that you've never been close to mosquitoes. :cheesygri

[Defiant]

Nicely put.

there are thousands of people starving to death every day, but a few birds gets your blood boiling.... great world we live in

[chococrazy]

I gather that you've never been close to mosquitoes. :cheesygri

I swat them away.. never kill them. Some Buddhists will go as far as let them feed, but uh.. I'm not one of them :)

[Efx]

I blame Bush for this.

[MkmBandit]

I blame Bush for this.

And I blame you.

[RonyPal]

but the fact that Loblaws condones suffering.
Watch yourself...dont assume one manager at one location somehow speaks for the entire chain...

[UrbanPoet]

People who don't care about other living beings (like a few birds) very often won't care too much about other people starving to death. On the contrary, those who feel for the animals are most likely also passionate about people.

sometimes... not really.
for example... theres the people that are against seal hunting....
They don't care how maritimer or fisherman (also seal hunters) are having families that are starving b/c of lack of employment in their regions.
Then they turn a blind eye to the cow and chicken slaughter that goes on everyday which is actually many times worst then seal hunting.

O_O

[chococrazy]

sometimes... not really.
for example... theres the people that are against seal hunting....
They don't care how maritimer or fisherman (also seal hunters) are having families that are starving b/c of lack of employment in their regions.
Then they turn a blind eye to the cow and chicken slaughter that goes on everyday which is actually many times worst then seal hunting.

O_O

I'm actually not against seal hunting. Just as UP says, these people need to survive. It irks me when celebrities fly in on their jets, protest the seal killings, and then fly back home to their mansions. Come on.

What I'm against is the suffering of animals, and the sport of killing. If you're going to kill something for food, kill it quickly.

[tet8suo]

What is your point?

I guess you can bring this out saying who care the kids are murdered in school because of Ukrainian Genocide killed more. Or, who cares about a woman was raped because there was Nanking Massacre.

Something a lot worse does not make something which is bad okay.
+1

[ynchu]

People are being trapped in mesh fencing and not allowed to get food...where exactly is this happening?

Completely off topic... China during second world war, current North Korea and Cuba?

[dre145]

sometimes... not really.
for example... theres the people that are against seal hunting....
They don't care how maritimer or fisherman (also seal hunters) are having families that are starving b/c of lack of employment in their regions.
Then they turn a blind eye to the cow and chicken slaughter that goes on everyday which is actually many times worst then seal hunting.

O_O

im wondering how many people in this thread know how chickens are treated in slaughter farms.

If you feel so strongly about these few birds dying in loblaws, i encourage you to research a little about chicken slaughter farms.

[infinite.chaoz]

im wondering how many people in this thread know how chickens are treated in slaughter farms.

If you feel so strongly about these few birds dying in loblaws, i encourage you to research a little about chicken slaughter farms.

Its a kill-line i think, they hang their head on the hooks, slices their neck so the head is only dangling by the skin, the it is slammed against the end of the line and the body falls into a chute and head is recollected elsewhere. Its not really that inhumane since the bird is practically brain dead and feels no pain once its neck is broken.

[Flyer]

Just saw a Rogers Local News just reporting that the Loblaws on Yonge and 16th had recently erected a mesh on their canopy that trapped many young birds inside. When a passerby noticed some birds trying to get back to their nest to feed their young, she raised the issue to the management. They told her to forget about it, and let them STARVE to death.

Loblaws said their primary concern was to get the birds out, and keep the area clean. If that WAS their concern, which is quite valid, could they not at least have removed the nests prior to erecting the mesh? Or, even if they are cruel and heartless, kill the birds before putting up the mesh. Why make the birds suffer by starving them to death? They could've easily waited to the end of the mating season when all the birds have grown up, and they could've taken down the nests without any problems.

Just wanted to get this out there.. gets my blood boiling. Ridiculous. And please, none of that "are YOU a vegetarian?" kind of crap because this is not about whether the birds have to die, but the fact that Loblaws condones suffering. Like I said earlier, at least have the decency to put the birds out of their misery instead of making them suffer. Although if all this publicity is just gonna make them kill the birds, hah... I can only laugh at the pathetic state of our society.
If you feel that strongly against it, offer to fully pay for the removal or termination of the birds. I have yet to encouter a corporation that will say no to free labour...

[rc51]

ever heard of the Ukrainian Genocide i bet you didnt up to 10 milion people died in a matter of a year. - Ok fine this happened a long time ago but u still didnt learn about this in school, or even know that this happened.

Do I even need to talk about the third world countries in africa. The people there either starve or are killed by wars going on in the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine
check "Famine today"

You're comparing ethnic cleaning/genocide to birds being killed?

What are the birds doing...? They're just there...what have they done wrong? You can't compare the two..completely different scenarios.

The birds are just being animals, they don't understand. I'm sure there are ways to keep them away w/o killing them..but Loblaw's doesn't care. Probably just as much if they can screw you on paying too much for garbage products. To them, you, me and the birds are one in the same.

Get it?

[teknoluv]

What I'm against is the suffering of animals, and the sport of killing. If you're going to kill something for food, kill it quickly.
Agree. I HATE people who hunt for *pleasure*. To be honest, fishing in that sense makes me uncomfortable too, even when you return the INJURED fish to the water afterwards. Not sure why people *enjoy* this kind of game: OF COURSE you are more intelligent than a fish!

[kitbor]

If you feel that strongly against it, offer to fully pay for the removal or termination of the birds. I have yet to encouter a corporation that will say no to free labour...

+1

Words are cheap. Take action.

[Menace]

+1

I would never buy sh1ts from Loblaws. They are spending big $$$ on building new state of the art 3rd party run warehouse in Ajax/Pickering, but no money to remove the young birds. Give me a friggin break!

The birds are just being animals, they don't understand. I'm sure there are ways to keep them away w/o killing them..but Loblaw's doesn't care. Probably just as much if they can screw you on paying too much for garbage products. To them, you, me and the birds are one in the same.

Get it?

[teknoluv]

If you feel that strongly against it, offer to fully pay for the removal or termination of the birds. I have yet to encouter a corporation that will say no to free labour...

+1

Words are cheap. Take action.
The truth is, MOST corporations WILL say no.

[CSK'sMom]

im wondering how many people in this thread know how chickens are treated in slaughter farms.

If you feel so strongly about these few birds dying in loblaws, i encourage you to research a little about chicken slaughter farms.

I absolutely do. I helped load our turkeys onto the line every year for several years. The birds are hung by their feet on the line. The line moves over a plate that has an electric current running through it. The birds are electrocuted when their heads touch the plate before being dunked in scalding water to loosen the feathers. They then go into the plucking drum where they are de-feathered. It's actually quite humane... We killed our own turkeys for years before we started having them done at a prosessing plant.

[untaka]

People who don't care about other living beings (like a few birds) very often won't care too much about other people starving to death. On the contrary, those who feel for the animals are most likely also passionate about people.

no not exactly true, I would kill every bird on this planet with my bare hands to save one HIV infested junky from starving.

Humans > my poop > animals

and btw birds CAN fend for them selfs, if not well wouldn't they be extinct?

It seems alot of people forget that animals aren't humans, we come first dinner comes second.

[vladislav]

no not exactly true, I would kill every bird on this planet with my bare hands to save one HIV infested junky from starving.

Humans > my poop > animals

and btw birds CAN fend for them selfs, if not well wouldn't they be extinct?

It seems alot of people forget that animals aren't humans, we come first dinner comes second.

You are a WINNAR!

[PMech]

Just try and ignore that, and focus on the millions of other happy birds out there right now.

no not exactly true, I would kill every bird on this planet with my bare hands to save one HIV infested junky from starving.

Humans > my poop > animals

and btw birds CAN fend for them selfs, if not well wouldn't they be extinct?

It seems alot of people forget that animals aren't humans, we come first dinner comes second.

Your the type that gets bit by dogs ahaha, they hate you because you hate them. And irony would see a deer hitting your bumper.