"Rogers Advisory Panel" survey on bandwidth throttling

[hoob]

Anyone else get this survey invitation from Rogers? A whole bunch of questions about internet usage and questions about what you think about bandwidth caps, etc.

The survey claims the average internet user is at 5GB/month.

[Narci]

After moving out to Vancouver this year..I must say..SHAW has been better in terms of pricing. Service is about the same..up and down..no throttling...least not to me.

I was just looking at the prices last night.

Rogers Extreme
6.0 Mbps download
800 Kbps upload
9 email addresses
$52.95 Monthly Service Fee (plus $3.00/mth modem rental or $99.95 modem purchase plus taxes).

Shaw High-Speed Internet
5.0 Mbps download
512 Kbps upload
100 mb email space
10 email addresses
2 IP's
$38.95/month without modem rental
$43.95/month with modem rental

Shaw High-Speed Xtreme-I
10.0 Mbps download
1 Mbps upload
100 mb email space
10 email addresses
2 IP's
$48.95/month without modem rental
$53.95/month with modem rental

Now for the good stuff:

Shaw High-Speed Nitro
25.0 Mbps download
1 Mbps upload
100 mb email space
10 email addresses
2 IP's
$99.95/month without modem rental
$104.95/month with modem rental


5gb would sounds about right. It's something like 10% of the users use 80% of the bandwith. Something like that.

[vladvlad]

ha ha ha - 5 gb / month? - maybe amongst the granny crowd

If that is the case why do we need 6 mbps at $55 per month?

Multimedia is the new big thing on the Internet.
We need less throttling.
Rogers is full of BS

[whampoa]

What a bunch of BS... they are bunch of crooks and they know it. This survey is only an attempt to justify their throttling policy.

They will skew the result of this survey no matter how unpopular their new policy is.

And they will present it to CRTC if they are any investigation on their shady practices.

[jshebib]

The average Internet bandwidth usage of a typical customer in a month is 5 Gigabytes. If Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet implemented an Internet bandwidth limit of 5 Gigabytes per month, aimed at limiting excessive use of the Rogers Internet network, what is your overall reaction to this potential initiative from Rogers?

I told them I am opposed. I use 80-100 G a month, I am willing to pay but don't like being throttled or limited because I am a heavy user. I like how the questions are skewed "did you know a small number of users reduce the speed for everyone" type of questions just leads everyone to say "oh my". That's BS. My use at 2 am. isn't affecting anyone's access.

[hoob]

Yeah... In case I didn't make it clear, my answers indicated a severe displeasure at any sort of bandwidth throttling. :D

[LNahid2000]

The average Internet bandwidth usage of a typical customer in a month is 5 Gigabytes. If Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet implemented an Internet bandwidth limit of 5 Gigabytes per month, aimed at limiting excessive use of the Rogers Internet network, what is your overall reaction to this potential initiative from Rogers?
Just from reading that question, you know that the survey is extremely biased.

[TapemanPL]

im in toronto...but i don't think i've ever gone above 20...that already seems a lot for me...but a lot of you guys here complain that the 60 isn't enough, what are you guys doing that much bandwidth?

[Brandon]

5GB of bandwidth?

Correct me if my math is wrong, but maxing out your downstream connection results in less than 2 hours of usage each month before you hit the limit.

[Ma_Jie]

5 GB? What the hell? Let's start a petition or something and flood their techs with angry phone calls. I need my 100 GB -- and we pay an awful lot per month for that 100 GB.

- Jie

[Diamondog]

I do 350gb + per month.

[evanx]

Very poor survey.

[TrEvOrLiCioUs]

Obviously you are not average users.

The average user to them surfs the web for a few hours a day.
Does not download anything more than a few mp3s and so forth.

Rogers is trying to stop users from downloading huge files. (ie. illegal movies/software)

Ideally they want us all to be 5gb users and charge the heavy users who slow down the network downloading crap.

5gb is alot just to surf websites, emailing and a few mp3s.

[Narci]

Rogers is trying to stop users from downloading huge files. (ie. illegal movies/software).


How about legal files? I know World of Warcraft uses BT to download updates and patches.

[Diamondog]

Obviously you are not average users.

The average user to them surfs the web for a few hours a day.
Does not download anything more than a few mp3s and so forth.

Rogers is trying to stop users from downloading huge files. (ie. illegal movies/software)

Ideally they want us all to be 5gb users and charge the heavy users who slow down the network downloading crap.

5gb is alot just to surf websites, emailing and a few mp3s.

Thats just nonsense there are tons of ways to rack up bandwidth legally.

[illusion81]

My parents watch their Polish TV on the net. They subscribe to it and pay $ for it. Because it's a very good quality stream, they use about 500 - 700mb per day to watch their shows and news etc. That is over 20 gigs per month right there. Rogers needs to understand that the internet is used for more thing than just browsing web pages! What if my parents felt like watching several hours per day? A service that they are paying for on top of the internet connection. Why should they be restricted by their ISP? This cap at 60gigs is just stupid. Get with the times ROGERS!

[basketball]

They want us to pay top dollar for high speed and still insist on putting a cap??? There are many things online that require Bandwidth, just checking NBA highlights and doing youtube daily (which are few legal activities I can think of) takes more than 20gb/month. RIPOFF!

[gilboman]

How about legal files? I know World of Warcraft uses BT to download updates and patches.

and how many gigs of patch does warcraft use every month? :rolleyes:

[Narci]

and how many gigs of patch does warcraft use every month? :rolleyes:

WoW was just an example. It can actually get pretty big. I have one of the first copies of WoW still. If I were to reformat..I would have to download every patch since the 1st patch. I remember doing that on Everquest as well.

I.e.
http://www.vuze.com

They have legal libraries of TV shows like from BBC using Azeurus.

People also use bittorrent to share linux files as well.

Non bittorrent...people will download from iTunes, youtube etc and such as well (probbaly not 5gb your right) but it all adds up.

Roger's throttles because of heavy users downloading illegal files therefore it effects people who download legal files.

[Anessa]

Anyone else get this survey invitation from Rogers? A whole bunch of questions about internet usage and questions about what you think about bandwidth caps, etc.

The survey claims the average internet user is at 5GB/month.

:lol:
That's worth a laugh...

[Brandon]

I think smaller caps would make sense for their Ultra-Lite and even Lite services, but their higher end (faster) packages should have higher data transfer limits.

I bet most of Rogers Internet customers are on Express and use less than 10GB's per month... AKA high profit margin users.

There are tons of ways to rack up bandwidth:

my school has lots of courses available as video podcasts
lots of software is direct download from the vendor (IE. Steam), like some games which are many GB's each, plus game demos and patches/updates
software updates... antivirus, OS, anti-ad/spyware
media sites like youtube or Google videos
many TV stations have online streaming of full shows, like NBC and CTV
movie trailers, ESPECIALLY HD trailers (often +100MB's each)
online gaming (especially when including voice chat)
uploading pictures to get developed (pics are often 2MB+ each depending on the camera)
downloading music (albums at 256kbps are around 100MB)
online radio (lots of streams are 128kbps)

[jshebib]

im in toronto...but i don't think i've ever gone above 20...that already seems a lot for me...but a lot of you guys here complain that the 60 isn't enough, what are you guys doing that much bandwidth?

In addition to all the legal youtube and google video, yahoo music and cbc news viewing, along with legal downloads and updates I do, and sharing of legal files, I also use my bandwidth to play online PS3 and XBOX 360 games, and hopefully soon on-line wii games.

[whampoa]

You guys just don't understand Rogers motive. The survey are just a trojan,

they want to know who use the most bandwith, by responding to their survey,

you are basically telling how much bandwith you used per month.

They just sit on their lazy asses, and lauging at you guys for doing all the work for them.

This is just great as we are not paying enough fee for them to payoff the Skydome (Rogers Center),

now we are also paying into uncle Ted retirement fund.

[josipm]

Doesn't digital TV through the cable use bandwidth? So why should it be any different?

Maybe they should throttle TV users. but they don't. Or how about those people who leave their digital boxes on? Surely, that uses up bandwidth.

[JAC]

You guys just don't understand Rogers motive. The survey are just a trojan,

they want to know who use the most bandwith, by responding to their survey,

you are basically telling how much bandwith you used per month.

They just sit on their lazy asses, and lauging at you guys for doing all the work for them.

This is just great as we are not paying enough fee for them to payoff the Skydome (Rogers Center),

now we are also paying into uncle Ted retirement fund.

They already know how much bandwidth everyone uses a month, genius.:lol:

[SergesPlace]

You guys just don't understand Rogers motive. The survey are just a trojan,

they want to know who use the most bandwith, by responding to their survey,

you are basically telling how much bandwith you used per month.

They just sit on their lazy asses, and lauging at you guys for doing all the work for them.

This is just great as we are not paying enough fee for them to payoff the Skydome (Rogers Center),

now we are also paying into uncle Ted retirement fund.

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[Octavius]

You guys just don't understand Rogers motive. The survey are just a trojan,

they want to know who use the most bandwith, by responding to their survey,

you are basically telling how much bandwith you used per month.

They just sit on their lazy asses, and lauging at you guys for doing all the work for them.

This is just great as we are not paying enough fee for them to payoff the Skydome (Rogers Center),

now we are also paying into uncle Ted retirement fund.

Login to rogers -> Click on "View Internet Usage" (or Bandwidth Usage) and there you will see your bandwidth usage for the month (even broken down day by day). Rogers knows how much you use because they charge you (or are supposed to) for every GB that you go over your limit.

Rogers just wants everyone to say "Yes, I agree, 5GB will be enough" because people, whether they know it or not, are actually using more then 5GB per month. Rogers will charge these people more because they agreed on something that they didn't know would affect them, in effect, charging them more for the same service (and they will fail to realize this until they get their first bill). They also want to screw over the rest of us paying top dollar for mediocre internet service.

I'm so glad I'll be leaving Rogers shortly, I've had enough of their BS business practices.

[abu_sme]

I think that Shaw has an unofficial limit of 60 Gb on their regular highspeed. But the in network latency is horrendous. But I live in an apartment that is full of BT junkies. When I go to my parents house it isn't that good, but it is better.

[BlackFalcon]

man what is this coming down to... 60 Gb was bad enough and now planning for 5Gb monthly.


Down with rogers!

[silentio]

They;'re taking you for suckers.

Their real goal isnt 5 gigs. It's to scare you into accepting about 60 gigs for express, or maybe even 50.

Then you will thank them for not going to 5 gig limit.

You guys should should start a protest or something. Rogers is walkign all over you.

[abu_sme]

If you think that Rogers is bad, check out my speed result with shaw

http://www.dslreports.com/im/28568544/9764.png

I downloaded about 1.5 gigs of torrents 2 nights ago, and haven't touched it since, but they throttled back my ENTIRE connection for the last 2 day down to an absolute crawl. This is the last straw, I am cancelling my account with them in the morning and switching to Telus, who never really enfore their limits.

[Narci]

If you think that Rogers is bad, check out my speed result with shaw

http://www.dslreports.com/im/28568544/9764.png

I downloaded about 1.5 gigs of torrents 2 nights ago, and haven't touched it since, but they throttled back my ENTIRE connection for the last 2 day down to an absolute crawl. This is the last straw, I am cancelling my account with them in the morning and switching to Telus, who never really enfore their limits.

I have no problems on SHAW..and this test was done on my laptop over WiFi.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/116530573.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

[Sprite_TM]

if the average user uses 5Gb per month, then why throttle, rogers? why do u have to worry if the average user uses 5GB

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

What a bunch of BS... they are bunch of crooks and they know it. This survey is only an attempt to justify their throttling policy.



Let's see, I'm going to put together a "panel" of my friends and ask people if getting free cable TV by stealing it saves money, if the majority says "yes" then it's alright to steal cable TV.

Wow, good attempt at justifying your stinginess and bad business practices Rogers :mad: