Tories target street racers with tough new penalties

[IoannI]

Just thought I'd share this article with other members


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/06/15/street-racing.html

[wasserkool]

good (y)

Street racers should be charged with second degree murder if their stupidity caused death or injury to someone else.

[Spray]

Some asshat in a z06 tried to race me on the lakeshore going up into the QEW ramp. He was doing about 140 in the rain on that bridge...he almost hit the guardrail at one point. Idiots like that should be taken out and ****

[Odysseus_Maximus]

good (y)

Street racers should be charged with second degree murder if their stupidity caused death or injury to someone else.

+1

[cwb27]

good!

[malaco0219]

Some asshat in a z06 tried to race me on the lakeshore going up into the QEW ramp. He was doing about 140 in the rain on that bridge...he almost hit the guardrail at one point. Idiots like that should be taken out and ****

Not much better than a TL doing 150+ on a snowy day on 401. Almost hit me and my mom when he cut in front of us, then went zigzag through many other cars while his tail was sliding out.

[IoannI]

I understand everyone concerns and I somewhat agree with them. But whatever they do, they will never eliminate street racing. It is always going to exist. Even if they take their driving privalleges away people can still hop into autmobiles and drive their cars. So if people want to street race then thats their problem. I also think that the people that are getting killed late a night due to street racing, sort of deseve it. They know that late at night, its dangerous and they are basically not taking any precaution. Now I know that if the car swurves into the side walk and hits the person then its the drivers fault. But if they see them comming at high speeds then they could of taken precaution. Same thing with fellow drivers if you see someone comming straight at you at a high speeds then get out of the way if you can. In the end street racing will always exist and no mattter whatever we do we will never be able to eliminate it, it's the same thing with drug's and robberies. Also if an amateur is stupid enough to street race cause he or she thinks they know what they are doing then w/e its their life and no matter what we say or do people will always do it. It's the same thing with getting your G1,G2, and then your G. In drivers ed they told us they are trying to reduce accidents cause either by teenages that are partying/drinking/racing by putting limitations. But teens are still doing all that, and if they can right away then they will when they get their G2 or their G.

[seftonm]

So if people want to street race then thats their problem. I also think that the people that are getting killed late a night due to street racing, sort of deseve it. They know that late at night, its dangerous and they are basically not taking any precaution. Now I know that if the car swurves into the side walk and hits the person then its the drivers fault. But if they see them comming at high speeds then they could of taken precaution.

It's the problem of a lot more than the racers if pedestrians or other motorists get hurt. You say somebody on a sidewalk should take a precaution if they see a car coming at high speed. What kind of precaution is there? What if the car loses control? I would usually classify being on a sidewalk and not on the street as precaution enough. Another driver may not see an out of control street racer until it is too late. Street racers put other people in danger with their stupidity and deserve to be hit with penalties.

[malaco0219]

It's the problem of a lot more than the racers if pedestrians or other motorists get hurt. You say somebody on a sidewalk should take a precaution if they see a car coming at high speed. What kind of precaution is there? What if the car loses control? I would usually classify being on a sidewalk and not on the street as precaution enough. Another driver may not see an out of control street racer until it is too late. Street racers put other people in danger with their stupidity and deserve to be hit with penalties.

I agree. I think driver's ed should also teach people what to do in emergency situations.

Some times its hard to see someone, especially with buildings blocking your view.

[UrbanPoet]

I understand everyone concerns and I somewhat agree with them. But whatever they do, they will never eliminate street racing. It is always going to exist. Even if they take their driving privalleges away people can still hop into autmobiles and drive their cars. So if people want to street race then thats their problem. I also think that the people that are getting killed late a night due to street racing, sort of deseve it. They know that late at night, its dangerous and they are basically not taking any precaution. Now I know that if the car swurves into the side walk and hits the person then its the drivers fault. But if they see them comming at high speeds then they could of taken precaution. Same thing with fellow drivers if you see someone comming straight at you at a high speeds then get out of the way if you can. In the end street racing will always exist and no mattter whatever we do we will never be able to eliminate it, it's the same thing with drug's and robberies. Also if an amateur is stupid enough to street race cause he or she thinks they know what they are doing then w/e its their life and no matter what we say or do people will always do it. It's the same thing with getting your G1,G2, and then your G. In drivers ed they told us they are trying to reduce accidents cause either by teenages that are partying/drinking/racing by putting limitations. But teens are still doing all that, and if they can right away then they will when they get their G2 or their G.

are you a street racer?
This is how the law should work.. you do somethign wrong you get punished for it!

street racing is stupid anyways.

[ES_Revenge]

Some asshat in a z06 tried to race me on the lakeshore going up into the QEW ramp. He was doing about 140 in the rain on that bridge...he almost hit the guardrail at one point. Idiots like that should be taken out and ****

Uh if you were in your Legacy GT Spec B listed in your sig... Unless that thing is heavily modified, I don't think a Z06 would have to "try" to race you, LOL. It has double the hp and it's a sports car not a sport compact sedan, lol.

Now perhaps that comment is kinda counter-productive to this thread, but don't get me wrong I'm completely against street racing.

However what you posted above isn't street racing. It isn't a race if it's just one person--that's just plain stupidity--that's careless driving, dangerous driving, etc. So unless you were actually racing him (and being just as wrong as him) he wasn't trying to race you at all, he was just driving like a moron.

One person in one car doing something on their own (no matter how stupid and negligent it is), isn't a race. And I don't mean other cars can't be involved (they certainly can be as innocent people are hit all the time by either dangerous/intoxicated/negligent drivers or by street racers), but if the other people/cars aren't participating and it's just one person? It's not a street race.

Not much better than a TL doing 150+ on a snowy day on 401. Almost hit me and my mom when he cut in front of us, then went zigzag through many other cars while his tail was sliding out.
Again, this is not street racing. It's just irresponsible and under the relevant statutes it might be either Careless or Dangerous driving but it's not street racing.

There is no such recognition of "street racing" per se in the law as it is, and that's what this whole thing is about--about recognition in the law of actual street racing.

From the short article linked to:
"If passed, it would specifically recognize street racing in assessing harsher penalties for a number of driving-related offences.

That's what the legislation is all about. Now idiot drivers are bad and all but starting to go off on rants about them is veering off topic really.

That said, I will say I would be glad to see harsher penalties for street racing-related driving offences.

[Spray]

Yes my Legacy is heavily modified (stage 2.5)...and it was wet. I just got my car back from the dealer and launched agressively to check on some work they did. I didnt even see him as he was a car back and then tried to line up with me when i slowed down. He then decided to just take off and floored it going 140+ in the rain.

I dont street race, but off the line it would of been somewhat close had I actually wanted to race. He has 0-60 in 3.7, mines 4.7, but it's wet so I get the advantage by a lot. I go to several track/advanced driving schools a year, thats where I get my go fast needs out of the way. Anyone who street races, or advocates it is an idiot.

Uh if you were in your Legacy GT Spec B listed in your sig... Unless that thing is heavily modified, I don't think a Z06 would have to "try" to race you, LOL. It has double the hp and it's a sports car not a sport compact sedan, lol.

Now perhaps that comment is kinda counter-productive to this thread, but don't get me wrong I'm completely against street racing.

However what you posted above isn't street racing. It isn't a race if it's just one person--that's just plain stupidity--that's careless driving, dangerous driving, etc. So unless you were actually racing him (and being just as wrong as him) he wasn't trying to race you at all, he was just driving like a moron.

One person in one car doing something on their own (no matter how stupid and negligent it is), isn't a race. And I don't mean other cars can't be involved (they certainly can be as innocent people are hit all the time by either dangerous/intoxicated/negligent drivers or by street racers), but if the other people/cars aren't participating and it's just one person? It's not a street race.


Again, this is not street racing. It's just irresponsible and under the relevant statutes it might be either Careless or Dangerous driving but it's not street racing.

There is no such recognition of "street racing" per se in the law as it is, and that's what this whole thing is about--about recognition in the law of actual street racing.

From the short article linked to:
"If passed, it would specifically recognize street racing in assessing harsher penalties for a number of driving-related offences.

That's what the legislation is all about. Now idiot drivers are bad and all but starting to go off on rants about them is veering off topic really.

That said, I will say I would be glad to see harsher penalties for street racing-related driving offences.

[ES_Revenge]

I also think that the people that are getting killed late a night due to street racing, sort of deseve it. They know that late at night, its dangerous and they are basically not taking any precaution. Now I know that if the car swurves into the side walk and hits the person then its the drivers fault. But if they see them comming at high speeds then they could of taken precaution.
Honestly I have one question for you. Are you on crack? No really seriously. Were you high when you wrote this?

Do you actually claim to believe the nonsense you just wrote? Do you think that people that realise a car (or anything else) is coming at them at high velocity just stand there and say "hmm maybe that won't hit me" and then start reading a book or something? Are you crazed? Do you think someone will see headlights flashing, engines roaring, tyres squealing, and just kind of sit there all bored and nonchalant as it occurs? Get real. People don't get hit/injured because they didn't do anything to not get hit :rolleyes:

Your opinion constitutes either sheer stupidity or just a plain disgusting mentality if you ask me... That's the same as blaming the rape victim because of what he or she wore or looked to the rapist--the ol' [rather crude and disgusting] "she was asking for it" type of mentality.

To me, that's the thinking of either a 12 year old or someone that has issues with society and following the law in general.

Perhaps if someone throws a knife at you or fires a gun in your direction, when you're dead we should all blame you because you should have gotten out of the way?

Or perhaps you might want to either lay off the drugs before posting or think before posting?

In the end street racing will always exist and no mattter whatever we do we will never be able to eliminate it, it's the same thing with drug's and robberies.
Yeah people will always break the law, that's right. But you make it sound like since that will always happen let's just let it happen? Riiiight. Let's all follow the advice of someone who is either an anarchist or a criminal (pretty much the only people that would have these attitudes) :rolleyes:

Also if an amateur is stupid enough to street race cause he or she thinks they know what they are doing then w/e its their life and no matter what we say or do people will always do it.
Thanks Captain Obvious! This still no bearing on society placing stricter penalties on the morons that participate in street racing. And that's exactly the intent of the government here. Since people seem to think they can just keep on street racing, let's put tougher penalties on it.

Honestly the more I read this drivel of yours, the more it becomes apparent that it's probably a waste of time responding to you at all...

[malaco0219]

Uh if you were in your Legacy GT Spec B listed in your sig... Unless that thing is heavily modified, I don't think a Z06 would have to "try" to race you, LOL. It has double the hp and it's a sports car not a sport compact sedan, lol.

Now perhaps that comment is kinda counter-productive to this thread, but don't get me wrong I'm completely against street racing.

However what you posted above isn't street racing. It isn't a race if it's just one person--that's just plain stupidity--that's careless driving, dangerous driving, etc. So unless you were actually racing him (and being just as wrong as him) he wasn't trying to race you at all, he was just driving like a moron.

One person in one car doing something on their own (no matter how stupid and negligent it is), isn't a race. And I don't mean other cars can't be involved (they certainly can be as innocent people are hit all the time by either dangerous/intoxicated/negligent drivers or by street racers), but if the other people/cars aren't participating and it's just one person? It's not a street race.


Again, this is not street racing. It's just irresponsible and under the relevant statutes it might be either Careless or Dangerous driving but it's not street racing.

There is no such recognition of "street racing" per se in the law as it is, and that's what this whole thing is about--about recognition in the law of actual street racing.

From the short article linked to:
"If passed, it would specifically recognize street racing in assessing harsher penalties for a number of driving-related offences.

That's what the legislation is all about. Now idiot drivers are bad and all but starting to go off on rants about them is veering off topic really.

That said, I will say I would be glad to see harsher penalties for street racing-related driving offences.

Sorry, i guess i'm a little off topic here, but i just want to say that reckless driving is just as dangerous as street racing

[IoannI]

[QUOTE=UrbanPoet;4945733]are you a street racer?/QUOTE]

nope

[gman]

I understand everyone concerns and I somewhat agree with them. But whatever they do, they will never eliminate street racing. It is always going to exist. Even if they take their driving privalleges away people can still hop into autmobiles and drive their cars. So if people want to street race then thats their problem. I also think that the people that are getting killed late a night due to street racing, sort of deseve it. They know that late at night, its dangerous and they are basically not taking any precaution. Now I know that if the car swurves into the side walk and hits the person then its the drivers fault. But if they see them comming at high speeds then they could of taken precaution. Same thing with fellow drivers if you see someone comming straight at you at a high speeds then get out of the way if you can. In the end street racing will always exist and no mattter whatever we do we will never be able to eliminate it, it's the same thing with drug's and robberies. Also if an amateur is stupid enough to street race cause he or she thinks they know what they are doing then w/e its their life and no matter what we say or do people will always do it. It's the same thing with getting your G1,G2, and then your G. In drivers ed they told us they are trying to reduce accidents cause either by teenages that are partying/drinking/racing by putting limitations. But teens are still doing all that, and if they can right away then they will when they get their G2 or their G.

I don't think you know what usually this kind of accident happens. It is not about it is late. A lot of people works late. Going late cannot be avoid by some people.

When a car driving in high speed toward you, you have only seconds to react. I had a friend who was rear ended when he was waiting in front of a red light. Tell me how you would avoid that. Run the red because you predict that car would not be able to stop? By the way you can make that judgement, it would be too late even if you decide to run the red.

You are basically saying you should not go out late. If you do, you deserve to be hit.

A pair of old couple was driving south on Kennedy. The racer was in high speed going up north, lose control and crossed the middle to hit them head on. Tell me how you can avoid that if you were driving south and had a car right beside you. You predict the other car will lose control and prepare for it?

People are still racing because the penalty is not high enough. Sure, it won't be eliminated completely but it can cut down some. It is like drink and drive. It cannot be eliminated but it can be lower.

[Tomy]

this is a good start

now do the same for drunk drivers
life time ban n impounding their cars would be great

[Tomy]

I don't think you know what usually this kind of accident happens. It is not about it is late. A lot of people works late. Going late cannot be avoid by some people.

When a car driving in high speed toward you, you have only seconds to react. I had a friend who was rear ended when he was waiting in front of a red light. Tell me how you would avoid that. Run the red because you predict that car would be able to stop? By the way you can make that judgement, it would be too late even if you decide to run the red.

You are basically saying you should not go out late. If you do, you deserve to be hit.

A pair of old couple was driving south on Kennedy. The racer was in high speed going up north, lose control and crossed the middle to hit them head on. Tell me how you can avoid that if you were driving south and had a car right beside you. You predict the other car will lose control and prepare for it?

People are still racing because the penalty is not high enough. Sure, it won't be eliminated completely but it can cut down some. It is like drink and drive. It cannot be eliminated but it can be lower.

what do u expect from him? after all, he had trouble passing his driving test.

[NikonSLR]

All those getting caught are the stupid ricers...the REAL street racers know when and where its safe to do it and you never hear about them.

This law will catch the ricers but the REAL street racers are going to do what they do best.

Also i think they should target drunk drivers WAY more heavily than racers, they kill WAY more people per year than ricers racing.

[Bullseye]

All those getting caught are the stupid ricers...the REAL street racers know when and where its safe to do it and you never hear about them.

Where is it safe to street race, may I ask?

[TenzoR]

They should just put a gps on every car and bill everyone who goes over the speed limit tracked via gps. Anyone caught tampering with the gps will automatically lose their drivers license for 1 year. But that's just evil :twisted:

[Psubs]

They should just put a gps on every car and bill everyone who goes over the speed limit tracked via gps. Anyone caught tampering with the gps will automatically lose their drivers license for 1 year. But that's just evil :twisted:

They don't even do that on the 407 which would be easy to do with entry and exit points.

[IoannI]

what do u expect from him? after all, he had trouble passing his driving test.

he fuc**r what relevance does me not passin my test have with this NONE, I bet if you were to go do your test you wouldnt pass so shut up.

Also you guys missed the point in my post, so you guys dont understand

[mlc2000]

Where is it safe to street race, may I ask?

Nowhere.

Legal racers and legal gun owners, go to clubs/tracks.

If these A-holes want respect and cred, join a club.

Its about the same price as one of those fart-can mufflers.

[IoannI]

I don't think you know what usually this kind of accident happens. It is not about it is late. A lot of people works late. Going late cannot be avoid by some people.

When a car driving in high speed toward you, you have only seconds to react. I had a friend who was rear ended when he was waiting in front of a red light. Tell me how you would avoid that. Run the red because you predict that car would not be able to stop? By the way you can make that judgement, it would be too late even if you decide to run the red.

You are basically saying you should not go out late. If you do, you deserve to be hit.

A pair of old couple was driving south on Kennedy. The racer was in high speed going up north, lose control and crossed the middle to hit them head on. Tell me how you can avoid that if you were driving south and had a car right beside you. You predict the other car will lose control and prepare for it?

People are still racing because the penalty is not high enough. Sure, it won't be eliminated completely but it can cut down some. It is like drink and drive. It cannot be eliminated but it can be lower.


I'm not saying if you wander the streets late you deserve to get hit, what I am saying is you have to be careful and know whats around you. Know you surrounding basically. I'm out late every Saturday night, my shift finished at 12:30 am and I walk home. I pay attention to whats going on, who around me and the what not.
Your friends rear end situation is different he was stopped that couldn't have been avoided. He was stopped at a red light and the idiot behind him hit him. Thats not his fault.
Im not saying that you can predict what will happen, but if you see a car comming at high speed and your waiting to cross the street your not going to attempt crossing. Im saying things like that. Take police cars, paramedics and fire trucks how do people get out of the way for them when they are going at high speeds. If you see or hear comming fast towards you and you think they are going to hit you get out of the either by pulling over to the side or anything.

[S14_Raven]

I for one am sick of all this talk about street racing. I don't condone it, but fact of the matter is it's gonna happen no matter what. It's been happening since most of you were even born. From the muscle cars of the 60's to now the tuner cars of today. I drive a modified car, but get my need for speed at the track. What I'm afraid of with this new proposal it that it's gonna be an opening to more stupid laws, like that one proposed a while ago 'suspicion of street racing bill.' I for one would hate to be singled out because I drive a modified car.

Now i you're caught in the act, it's a different story, you're just a dumbass. There are a ton of people out there I see EVERYDAY that shouldn't be driving period. Why not focus on that instead? Make it A LOT harder to even obtain a license. I'm sure this would help the TTC ridership. Kill two birds with one stone, get people off the street that shouldn't be there, and help with our underfunded, struggling public transportation system. Driving is a right, not a privilege.

And if the government, local, provincial, or federal were to even understand the problem at hand, they would realize that no matter what racing is gonna happen. Why not do something about it, and build or allow someone to build a track that is closer to the city.

[laptop-tech]

I understand everyone concerns and I somewhat agree with them. But whatever they do, they will never eliminate street racing. It is always going to exist. Even if they take their driving privalleges away people can still hop into autmobiles and drive their cars. So if people want to street race then thats their problem. I also think that the people that are getting killed late a night due to street racing, sort of deseve it. They know that late at night, its dangerous and they are basically not taking any precaution. Now I know that if the car swurves into the side walk and hits the person then its the drivers fault. But if they see them comming at high speeds then they could of taken precaution. Same thing with fellow drivers if you see someone comming straight at you at a high speeds then get out of the way if you can. In the end street racing will always exist and no mattter whatever we do we will never be able to eliminate it, it's the same thing with drug's and robberies. Also if an amateur is stupid enough to street race cause he or she thinks they know what they are doing then w/e its their life and no matter what we say or do people will always do it. It's the same thing with getting your G1,G2, and then your G. In drivers ed they told us they are trying to reduce accidents cause either by teenages that are partying/drinking/racing by putting limitations. But teens are still doing all that, and if they can right away then they will when they get their G2 or their G.


Great then ! I assume that if some idiot destroys the car your parents or siblingsare in, you will blame them for being stupid enough for not taking care when they should know its late and dangerous out there in the streets.

Lets all be barbarians !

[flamenko]

You are not so far off. There are states that enforcement action is taken via GPS. I can recall an author in Kingston area writing about a speeding ticket she received in the mail last year. She had rented a car while in the states and thought nothing of it. Sure as heck a few months later in the mail came a speeding ticket which explained the speed was clocked on gps and a copy of the paper she had signed stating she was responsible for any violations incurred while she rented the car.

And to Ioanni.

Get a brain!!!! Are you really serious about what you are saying? Have you ever walked down the street? You think people hit by cars are hit because they arent paying attention to the normal goings on around them?

First, a motor vehicle approaching you at a high speed is not as quickly heard as one of a slower speed, otherwise we would all get out of the way. Next, automobile noises, loud and soft, are an everyday sound and not unusual....so how would you suggest they pay attention? I would expect you will say to walk backwards.

Any person...any person.... can go down any average city street at a high speed and most pedestrians wont know this until they watch them pass...because of the speed of sound.

Your inclusion in the forum is not only laughable but makes you sound like a grade 2 student (I would of said grade 4 but I missed a few questions on that game show last night)

[TenzoR]

You are not so far off. There are states that enforcement action is taken via GPS. I can recall an author in Kingston area writing about a speeding ticket she received in the mail last year. She had rented a car while in the states and thought nothing of it. Sure as heck a few months later in the mail came a speeding ticket which explained the speed was clocked on gps and a copy of the paper she had signed stating she was responsible for any violations incurred while she rented the car.

when it comes to that, I just want to let the car drive then I can just sleep my way through the journey :)

[Bullseye]

I for one am sick of all this talk about street racing. I don't condone it, but fact of the matter is it's gonna happen no matter what. It's been happening since most of you were even born. From the muscle cars of the 60's to now the tuner cars of today.

Yes, and murders, drunk driving, and other crimes will always happen as well, does that mean we shouldn't make tough laws against them? Even though some people will always do stupid things, the reality is that the harsher the potential consequences, the more likely people will be to think twice before doing them.

This law is a good start. Let's follow it up with much more policing of public roadways.

[seftonm]

Im not saying that you can predict what will happen, but if you see a car comming at high speed and your waiting to cross the street your not going to attempt crossing. Im saying things like that. Take police cars, paramedics and fire trucks how do people get out of the way for them when they are going at high speeds. If you see or hear comming fast towards you and you think they are going to hit you get out of the either by pulling over to the side or anything.
Everybody knows not to attempt to cross the street if there is a car that will potentially be in the street. People who get injured or killed by street racers are not in the cars' path. They are out of the way until the racer swerves or loses control, at which point it is too late to move. How do people get out of the way of police cars, ambulances, and fire trucks? Police cars, ambulances, and fire trucks wait for you to get out of the way. Out of control street racing cars do not.

Also you guys missed the point in my post, so you guys dont understand
Try clarifying your point so we don't miss it.

[Flyer]

I for one am sick of all this talk about street racing. I don't condone it, but fact of the matter is it's gonna happen no matter what. It's been happening since most of you were even born. From the muscle cars of the 60's to now the tuner cars of today. I drive a modified car, but get my need for speed at the track. What I'm afraid of with this new proposal it that it's gonna be an opening to more stupid laws, like that one proposed a while ago 'suspicion of street racing bill.' I for one would hate to be singled out because I drive a modified car.

Now i you're caught in the act, it's a different story, you're just a dumbass. There are a ton of people out there I see EVERYDAY that shouldn't be driving period. Why not focus on that instead? Make it A LOT harder to even obtain a license. I'm sure this would help the TTC ridership. Kill two birds with one stone, get people off the street that shouldn't be there, and help with our underfunded, struggling public transportation system. Driving is a right, not a privilege.

And if the government, local, provincial, or federal were to even understand the problem at hand, they would realize that no matter what racing is gonna happen. Why not do something about it, and build or allow someone to build a track that is closer to the city.

Other way around...driving is privilege, not a right...

Besides, as long as you do not constant do high revs, don't have a muffler that puts out over 100 dB, have no major infractions in the past, and so on, the police normally will not bother you...

[S14_Raven]

Other way around...driving is privilege, not a right...


Haha.. my mistake

[mmmken]

they'll never stop street racing completely.

i dont endorse it, but people will feel the urge for "speed" every so often. the government should forget these increase fines (cause no one cares, obviously) - and build some more tracks around the city for legalized "speed runs". this would give the racers what they want - and the public safety.

[ES_Revenge]

now do the same for drunk drivers
life time ban n impounding their cars would be great
The same was done for drunk drivers ages ago! It's the whole reason why impaired driving is a specific criminal offence. It wasn't always like that. After years of evidence and lobbying by groups like MADD, etc. it became a criminal offence.

[Tomy]

The same was done for drunk drivers ages ago! It's the whole reason why impaired driving is a specific criminal offence. It wasn't always like that. After years of evidence and lobbying by groups like MADD, etc. it became a criminal offence.

last time i read the news, the people serve a few years in jail, then they're able to drive again..

lifetime ban + harsher penalty would be great.

[Tomy]

he fuc**r what relevance does me not passin my test have with this NONE, I bet if you were to go do your test you wouldnt pass so shut up.

Also you guys missed the point in my post, so you guys dont understand

sorry i passed all my tests with no problem... and the examiner wasn't against anyone.

i bet you're one of those sorry asses who think they own the road.

just drive safe! this thread is to warn us that street racing will be punished.. there's always track days for these stuff.

[ES_Revenge]

What I'm afraid of with this new proposal it that it's gonna be an opening to more stupid laws, like that one proposed a while ago 'suspicion of street racing bill.' I for one would hate to be singled out because I drive a modified car.
That's a slippery slope argument, however since it actaully has been something real that's been talked about, I agree with you there. The nonsense about suspicion and getting ticketed for aftermarket gear, etc. is just that--it's absolute nonsense. Because such laws will undoubtedly be left up to officer discretion as well, making it even worse...

Laws for suspicion would never hold up for 3s against the Charter and legislators know that. However making laws about vehicle equipment encompassing huge vaguely defined areas left up to officer discretion, is indeed something to be afraid of. It's yet another way for the government to have a cash grab and officers to abuse their power, all the while veiling it in some altruistic motive ("war against street racing") :rolleyes:

[ES_Revenge]

last time i read the news, the people serve a few years in jail, then they're able to drive again..

lifetime ban + harsher penalty would be great.
Since when is "a few years in jail" easy? I always find it funny when people say something like that. I mean if it's not a big deal why not try it out? LOL. Having a criminal record is not exactly all sunshine and good times after prison either.

Though prison time is not mandatory, Impaired driving convictions can result in up to 10 years in prison, btw. Doesn't happen often, no, but be assured that if they injure people badly or kill them, it is certainly a possibility.

Lifetime ban from driving can be given as well but only after the third offence. The min-max for prohibition from driving are 1-3yr for 1st offence; 2-5yrs for 2nd offence; and 3yrs-to lifetime, for a three-time offender.

Additionally minimum prison times for specific repeat offences can be set from the time of the first offence. I.e. Jim gets convicted for imparied driving the first time. Judge sentences him to $500 fine, the mandatory 1yr suspension, and adds that upon a 2nd conviction the minimum sentence he can receive is 2 years imprisonment. Meaning now Jim knows that if he drinks and drives again, he's going to jail for sure...

Aside from that a call for even harsher penalties for impaired driving is probably out there, but I don't think it's really that big a problem/priority given the law the way it is.

As for preventing them from driving though, I mean what can you really do? Even if they get a lifetime ban, how hard is it for them to just get in a car and drive? There's people out there driving right now with no insurance, suspended licenses (for a variety of reasons) that just continue to drive around. I mean at that point if prison time isn't going to stop them what will? If you suspend someone for life on a first time offence (say with no injuries or damage or other offences or anything, like they just got caught at a RIDE check say) how realistic is that? Well perhaps it's realistic in an ideal thinking of it, but in the real world who would actually follow that ban? It's almost guaranteed they are going to drive again and then they'll be doing so unlicensed and uninsured which is even worse.

The intent (on a first time offence for example) is to give a clear message and have them be able to drive again, just never do it again while impaired. However there are certainly those people that can't/won't get the message and that's what the harsher penalties are for. (Still there's no guaranteeing they aren't just going to hop into a car again either but that's not my point at the moment. In some provinces an ignition-breath-interlock can be installed in their car but there are ways around that and that only applies to their own car, there's lots of other cars out there.)

All I'm saying is, considering offences which don't involve other offences, injury, damages, or death; you could say, let's give them a lifetime ban on the first offence but it probably wouldn't be as effective for road safety as would a lesser ban to start and then harsher penalties if they repeat.

Of course now I've gone completely OT myself, sorry!

[Tomy]

Since when is "a few years in jail" easy? I always find it funny when people say something like that. I mean if it's not a big deal why not try it out? LOL. Having a criminal record is not exactly all sunshine and good times after prison either.

Though prison time is not mandatory, Impaired driving convictions can result in up to 10 years in prison, btw. Doesn't happen often, no, but be assured that if they injure people badly or kill them, it is certainly a possibility.

Lifetime ban from driving can be given as well but only after the third offence. The min-max for prohibition from driving are 1-3yr for 1st offence; 2-5yrs for 2nd offence; and 3yrs-to lifetime, for a three-time offender.

Additionally minimum prison times for specific repeat offences can be set from the time of the first offence. I.e. Jim gets convicted for imparied driving the first time. Judge sentences him to $500 fine, the mandatory 1yr suspension, and adds that upon a 2nd conviction the minimum sentence he can receive is 2 years imprisonment. Meaning now Jim knows that if he drinks and drives again, he's going to jail for sure...

Aside from that a call for even harsher penalties for impaired driving is probably out there, but I don't think it's really that big a problem/priority given the law the way it is.

As for preventing them from driving though, I mean what can you really do? Even if they get a lifetime ban, how hard is it for them to just get in a car and drive? There's people out there driving right now with no insurance, suspended licenses (for a variety of reasons) that just continue to drive around. I mean at that point if prison time isn't going to stop them what will? If you suspend someone for life on a first time offence (say with no injuries or damage or other offences or anything, like they just got caught at a RIDE check say) how realistic is that? Well perhaps it's realistic in an ideal thinking of it, but in the real world who would actually follow that ban? It's almost guaranteed they are going to drive again and then they'll be doing so unlicensed and uninsured which is even worse.

The intent (on a first time offence for example) is to give a clear message and have them be able to drive again, just never do it again while impaired. However there are certainly those people that can't/won't get the message and that's what the harsher penalties are for. (Still there's no guaranteeing they aren't just going to hop into a car again either but that's not my point at the moment. In some provinces an ignition-breath-interlock can be installed in their car but there are ways around that and that only applies to their own car, there's lots of other cars out there.)

All I'm saying is, considering offences which don't involve other offences, injury, damages, or death; you could say, let's give them a lifetime ban on the first offence but it probably wouldn't be as effective for road safety as would a lesser ban to start and then harsher penalties if they repeat.

Of course now I've gone completely OT myself, sorry!

not trying to counter ur post, but what i meant was:

for those who were drunk n killed someone, usually what i hear is 3-4 years prison sentence..im suggesting stiffer laws.

[ShadowVlican]

They should just put a gps on every car and bill everyone who goes over the speed limit tracked via gps. Anyone caught tampering with the gps will automatically lose their drivers license for 1 year. But that's just evil :twisted:
like u said.. by the time that happens we'll have cars that drive themselves (not because of current technological restrictions but of public privacy concerns)

Other way around...driving is privilege, not a right...

Besides, as long as you do not constant do high revs, don't have a muffler that puts out over 100 dB, have no major infractions in the past, and so on, the police normally will not bother you...
they'll pull u over if your car doesn't look stock

no more HP increasing stickers :razz:

they'll never stop street racing completely.

i dont endorse it, but people will feel the urge for "speed" every so often. the government should forget these increase fines (cause no one cares, obviously) - and build some more tracks around the city for legalized "speed runs". this would give the racers what they want - and the public safety.
+1

though they'll never do it because they would lose lots of revenue from tickets ;) (and no, tracks would not make up for it...)

[st7860]

pretty nice penalties in the proposed new law but what about the revolving door courts that spit the people back out onto the street after doing far worse things than a street race. lol.

[IoannI]

sorry i passed all my tests with no problem... and the examiner wasn't against anyone.

i bet you're one of those sorry asses who think they own the road.

just drive safe! this thread is to warn us that street racing will be punished.. there's always track days for these stuff.

Well you got lucky that your examiner passed you. I got unlucky with the second examiner. The first one seemed to be like habing a good day and was serious with his job. The second one seemed pissed off. And like I said in my other thread I am almost 100% sure that I passed. Cause it doesnt make sence for one of the reasons of disqualification to be parking, when in the box where you get marked for parking he put the 2 //, meaning manouveur not performed

I dont go around saying I own the road or anything like that, if you think that they you have me all confused. I learned from my old boss who had been a driver for about 30 years (I learned in a Porche 911) and I even did drivers ed to learned how to drive their way which is the way the ministry of transportation wants you to drive. I'm barley on the road, I only drive around on Sundays for a about an hour or so before work with my grandpa and thats it. I dont have the time to go around saying I own the road I got more important things to do.

And I know to drive safe, I've known this since I was a little kid. And that you shouldn't be doing stupid things on the road even if it seems safe. And I know that this thread is to warn us about the punishments, I started the thread. Track days are always the best way to spend time I agree with that.