[MRG] Beware this trader

[Jamie]

he goes by name of "getliquid"
I posted in his thread and because he did not like what I said, he has been sending me Negative Heatware..


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Here's our conversation about his thread..
anyways i already got offers of $500 and meeting up today, the custom case lighting attracts kids what can i say


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Sorry I thought this was Redflag DEALS, not rip you off DEALS..
The Dell deals are an exception, we can't build these machine cheaper than Dell sells them for..
I have 1 ordered aswell.
Remind me never to do business with you


Quote:
Originally Posted by getliquid
i got it for 299+tax a year ago.. but what makes you think everyone knows the prices? i already sold 5 Dell E521 machines for 600 that i bought for 379, and got 10 more coming


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Just a heads up, on your system..
You can buy a brand new P4 System with bigger parts than your for $349 at PCVillage...
Even if you add the crt/mouse/keyboard into your $550 price no one will buy it..
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[psxp]

dude, to be fair, he can sell what he wants for how much he wants. Its called the open market. If people pay too much for it (in your opinion) well, thats their own fault.

You've heard of : Buyer Beware or "Caveat emptor" right?

[Jamie]

Well I guess they should change the name to " Come here if you want to pay more than it's worth Deals"
Lets prey on the peeps that do not know anything about computers, but here about this place, come here for a deal and get raped on price..
Not all traders are bad, just some..
Especially when they PM you and tell you the price they paid, then brag about how much they are going to get from some little kid because he like the lights of the machine...
But anyway do I deserve to have my Heatware ruined because I posted in his thread..
I have do nothing except tell the truth, he on the other hand, is fabricating LIES to ruin my Heatware..
Not that I have much, but i'm starting..

[Jamie]

:arrowu:
bump for this A$$

[jz1n]

Thanks for the heads up, but this is why THIS (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=77) sub category exists.

[Jamie]

Thanks for the heads up, but this is why THIS (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=77) sub category exists.

Thanks for pointing that out..:)

[awestruck]

Deal with it. No one is forcing you to buy it. You deserved what you got. The guy can sell it for however much he wants even if it's at an absurd price.

[Jamie]

Deal with it. No one is forcing you to buy it. You deserved what you got. The guy can sell it for however much he wants even if it's at an absurd price.

So it's ok to trash someone's Heatware because someone threadcrapped in there post..?
I even changed the name to me saying I bought the same system a year ago for $299 and had bought the Dells aswell..
I do not like your tone, "You got what you deserved" maybe I should send you some "MADEUP NEGATIVE HEATWARE.".
but I won't because I believe it's wrong to do that.
Are there no moral or ethic trading practices on RFD? there should be..
Can you imagine you kid coming home after school and finding this deal, buying it for the $600 asking price, thinking they got a great deal, telling you about how they did it on there own, spent there own parttime job money.
Well I guess it's a good thing most RFD's have some knowledge of computer hardware..
and avoided that "RIPOFF DEAL"
I was meerly looking out for the little guy, after "getliquids" PM telling me he is going to be ripping people off...opps sorry taking advantage of opportunity.
Oh well I guess i'm wrong............>:(

[700mb80min]

I`ve seen a few times where someone would post a better deal or the same deal somewhere else but new instead of used . Kind of a fine line but if i was the buyer and someone interjected with a lower price , i would be grateful and the seller should understand this ...... You are on a deals forum ?

[direct-x]

I see nothing wrong with that other thread.

I can come here and try to sell a sack of potatoes for $100. Does not mean you have to buy them.

If the guy is giving you negative heat because of it, then contact heatware admins to have it removed.

You should of just left that liquid poster be, he has every right to sell for whatever he wants.

Just because he is reselling an item at a higher price does not make him a bad trader.

[Jamie]

I see nothing wrong with that other thread.

I can come here and try to sell a sack of potatoes for $100. Does not mean you have to buy them.

If the guy is giving you negative heat because of it, then contact heatware admins to have it removed.

You should of just left that liquid poster be, he has every right to sell for whatever he wants.

Just because he is reselling an item at a higher price does not make him a bad trader.

Well in my book he's a very bad trader, and i'm sure if he pm'd you to say I don't care what I paid for it, i'm selling it for twice that amount. and I don't care that you know that..
Well maybe next time he does that it will be you son or daughter that gets taken advantage of..

[direct-x]

Well in my book he's a very bad trader, and i'm sure if he pm'd you to say I don't care what I paid for it, i'm selling it for twice that amount. and I don't care that you know that..
Well maybe next time he does that it will be you son or daughter that gets taken advantage of..

At least he is being up front about it.

People do not come here to try to sell items for a loss or at cost.

Profit is key.

[Jamie]

At least he is being up front about it.

People do not come here to try to sell items for a loss or at cost.

Profit is key.

Wow If you think that's ok then I guess you do the same thing then..lol
What planet are you from, people don't come here to to sell for a loss or at cost..of course they do otherwise people will buy RETAIL then right...lol lol

[Chigu]

Wow If you think that's ok then I guess you do the same thing then..lol
What planet are you from, people don't come here to to sell for a loss or at cost..of course they do otherwise people will buy RETAIL then right...lol lol

Not necessarily! It's a deal if it's less than retail, REGARDLESS of how much the other person paid for it. If I get an item for really cheap and decide to sell it to make a profit, as long as it's less than retail, both the buyer and seller win.

If he's selling items for greater than retail and the buyer purchases it, that's their own fault for not doing the proper research. I'm sure people have made a profit from me, but as long as I get it cheaper than anywhere else. I'm happy!!

[wikkid_bigshot]

I for one think this thread is a good idea. It's not just that he's trying to cut a profit, it's the rotten attitude that he has.

I certainly wont be dealing with this rfder int he future.

[direct-x]

I for one think this thread is a good idea. It's not just that he's trying to cut a profit, it's the rotten attitude that he has.

I certainly wont be dealing with this rfder int he future.

So he has a bad attitude in your opinion and the OP's opinion, that does not justify tarnishing his trading reputation by labelling him a bad trader.

Just because the OP does not agree with the ethics behind the sellers trading, does not give him the right to put the guys reputation down the toilet.

There is no evidence of a trade gone sour here, so this thread should be closed.

[wikkid_bigshot]

Which is fine. I think everyone who reads the "scammer" section actually read the details of the "scam" anyways.

You are free to decide on whether you want to deal with this person at all with this detail. This is also a thread for WARNINGS. People with bad ethics (gloating about ripping of kids? comon) are generally good WARNING signs to avoid dealing with. For me anyways. If you want to make somebody else rich that's ripping you off, then more powah to you.

It's not like the TC made up the information here and posted it. Do you work as a defence lawyer? Do you like to defend the guilty?

[mcg]

It's a free country... and its how businessmen operate. If there were laws restricting the price that you could resell an item depending on how much you bought it for, then there's no point.

It's the same thing as buying wholesale and selling it at a higher price for profit, basically.

[Jamie]

Why are comments being deleted??
When they they say nothing wrong what so ever??
So far I have received about 3 thread notices with comments saying nothing wrong, but I try to look at them and they are gone..

[Ducky]

redflagdeals...the "deals" part that you are talking about are the deals in the "hot deals" section....

the buy/trade section of the site is not for "deals"...it is for people to sell their new and/or used items...they can sell their items at any price they want.

[Jamie]

And how did we come to that conclusion?
All on your own?
or is that what the Site owner told you?


redflagdeals...the "deals" part that you are talking about are the deals in the "hot deals" section....

the buy/trade section of the site is not for "deals"...it is for people to sell their new and/or used items...they can sell their items at any price they want.

[Jon Lai]

1) BST runs on capitalist system, people may sell for whatever price they wish
2) Other members can suggest to the seller if the price is unreasonable
3) Giving negative heatware for a transaction that was not done is unjust
4) Other RFD members should avoid trading with getliquid because of his attitude

[Ducky]

what made you assume that the "deals" part of redflagdeals meant every section of the forum was for good deals in the first place? =)

my conclusion came from this....

it actually says "hot deals" in that part of the forum.

nowhere does it say good/cheap "deals" in the bst forums...nowhere in the explanation/usage of bst forums state that the items being sold are good deals.


And how did we come to that conclusion?
All on your own?
or is that what the Site owner told you?

[Jamie]

Whatever you wish to believe is upto you..
People come here to buy things for less than retail, otherwise they would buy retail..lol
Besides the name "REDFLAGDEALS" Canada's "BARGAIN" Hunting Community implies all forums..
End of story:razz:

what made you assume that the "deals" part of redflagdeals meant every section of the forum was for good deals in the first place? =)

my conclusion came from this....

it actually says "hot deals" in that part of the forum.

nowhere does it say good/cheap "deals" in the bst forums...nowhere in the explanation/usage of bst forums state that the items being sold are good deals.

[Jamie]

One more thing Mr.Ducky..
When you read something that says Buy/Sell and Trade and it's not a retail store are you expecting to be paying retail prices??
Or do you think it's acceptable for someone to think they will be getting a deal at such a place??

[7jai]

One more thing Mr.Ducky..
When you read something that says Buy/Sell and Trade and it's not a retail store are you expecting to be paying retail prices??
Or do you think it's acceptable for someone to think they will be getting a deal at such a place??

are you honestly kidding me? Buddy, haven't you been reading the other posts carefully? About how this is a open-trading system?? It seems like you aren't getting the point of this.

I really like the example from one of the posters that said "he can come here and sell a sack of potatoes for $100"... so what? The point is YOU dont have to buy it. Noone is holding you hostage and making you buy it. If he wants to sell it for 2000x market value, then go for it. If I think its a good value, then I'll buy it! If not, then I WONT buy it. Simple as that.

I think you are getting mixed up with this "RFDeals" thing. The deals part (like some previous posters have mentioned) refers to the HOT DEALS section. Please go read the initial mission statements of RFD.com, and you will see it there.

So no one is expecting anything. All buyers on this forum have their own view on what is a good deal for THEM, and what is NOT. So I think you have to relax and calm down with this thread. This is highly un-necessary (asides from the fact he wrote you negative heatware, which can be removed by the mods at heatware.com, if only you take less time making tedious comments on this thread and more time getting your heatware fixed by the mods).

[Jamie]

Your right..
I have not made any posts in this thread for about 2 months, then someone started going at it again..
So I was just following along..
But I see your point..
I guess it just really bothers me when I see someone trying to take advantage of people by selling stuff at higher than retail cost..
I'll back off now.
Sorry If I offended anyone..

[Gee]

While I don't agree with what he did. There is no excuse for trashing your heatware. But...

You did

Thread Crap which is wrong
He has a right to sell for whatever price he chooses.

There is another saying

One man's junk is another man's treasure.

So if I want to sell you a bag of trash for $10, you consider it a rip off. Someone else may consider it a great deal. Especially if you are Oscar the Grouch.

Deals are based on what a person is willing to pay for an item. It may be unethetical for him to over charge because it is cheaper than retail but you don't have to buy it either.

Ever play Lemonade Stand? It is a old computer game where you set up a lemonade stand. You set the prices for lemonade based on the temperature and the cost of lemons and sugar. So if I raised the price for lemonade from .10 cents to .25 cents becasue the temperature changed from 18 degrees to 33 degrees, do you feel ripped off because you could have bought the same lemonade for .15 cents cheaper yesterday?

The point is, you didn't want lemonade yesterday but want one today.

[Ducky]

you surely didn't offend me...i consider all this a discussion/debate...=)

it bothers you that someone sells something above retail cost...

well, it bothers me that retail stores sell stuff at too high of a cost...ie. toyrus is more expensive than walmart...that bothers me...but that's part of "shopping around"...=)


Your right..
I have not made any posts in this thread for about 2 months, then someone started going at it again..
So I was just following along..
But I see your point..
I guess it just really bothers me when I see someone trying to take advantage of people by selling stuff at higher than retail cost..
I'll back off now.
Sorry If I offended anyone..

[Marymoocows]

When you post something you can charge whatever high or as little as you wish. The only limited is that the item purchased is as described. To put things in prospective every time you buy something from a store you're already paying a mark-up then if were to buy it direct. Heck sell someone a "Snow Ball" for $500, it's value is dependent on the buyer.

[Jamie]

We have no control over what stores charge, ie, Wal-mart Zellers..
One can only hope the little guys stay honest and fair..
Ok enough I get it, there are people who BST on here and don't care about riping off there neighbour and have no moral or ethical values knowing full well that they would never buy that item at that price because it's a ripoff but will sell for the higher price in hopes some stooge will come along and think it's a good deal...
Now granted it is buyer beware , but I can guarantee you there are people out there that come on this forum because it does say RedFlagDeals..
And think they are going to be getting an item for less than retail.
My only problem was that the original guy I was talking about, he was selling a old computer for twice what it should have been worth, and was gloating to me about he does not care, that he paid less than half what he was charging for it..
By praying on the fact that little kids like the case lighting..
Now If he had'nt said anything to me about ripping little kids off and about all the other stuff he was selling at twice retail cost..
This thread would have never been started in the first place..


Mods please lock this thread now..

When you post something you can charge whatever high or as little as you wish. The only limited is that the item purchased is as described. To put things in prospective every time you buy something from a store you're already paying a mark-up then if were to buy it direct. Heck sell someone a "Snow Ball" for $500, it's value is dependent on the buyer.

[swiftfox]

Bump to your thread

These people sicken me. The ones that lurk around websites like this, see a great deal, and go clear the stock out. They then go hide behind their computers and resell the products for a hefty profit.

These sites are created in order to help out the people. Not to generate more middlemen. You're right Jamie, its pathetic.

The next time I see some prick at RCSS with 20 cameras in his cart.......