Effect Of High-fluoride Water

[hotweiss]

http://www.fluoride-journal.com/00-33-2/332-74.pdf

SUMMARY: The Intelligence Quotient (IQ) was measured in 118 children, aged
10-12 years, who were life-long residents in two villages of similar population
size and social, educational and economic background but differing in the
level of fluoride in drinking water. The children in the high-fluoride area
(drinking water fluoride 3.15 ± 0.61 mg/L [ppm]) (mean ± S.D.) had higher urinary
fluoride levels (4.99 ± 2.57 mg/L) than the children in the low-fluoride area
(drinking water fluoride 0.37 ± 0.04 mg/L) (urinary fluoride 1.43 ± 0.64 mg/L).
The IQ of the 60 children in the high-fluoride area was significantly lower,
mean 92.27 ± 20.45, than that of the 58 children in the low-fluoride area, mean
103.05 ± 13.86. More children in the high-fluoride area, 21.6%, were in the retardation
(<70) or borderline (70-79) categories of IQ than children in the low
fluoride area, 3.4%. An inverse relationship was also present between IQ and
the urinary fluoride level. Exposure of children to high levels of fluoride may
therefore carry the risk of impaired development of intelligence.

You community should join the many other communities who have decided to eliminate fluoride from their drinking water. More information can be found here:

http://www.fluorideaction.org/

The history behind fluoride in drinking water can be found here:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=14949

Without going into any conspiracy theories, I will just describe to you the proven negative effects of fluoride on the human mind and body. The effects of fluoride include increased risks of ADHD, autism, GERD, gum disease, mental impairment and diabetes. Without any precedent, why were we all of the sudden forced to drink fluoridated water?

[CanadaBoy]

So 0.3 ppm of fluorine is safe?

[hyperion]

What about the fluoride in toothpaste?

[hotweiss]

0.3 ppm of cyanide is safe, the cumulative effect is the worrying part. With all the water we drink, such a small dosage of fluoride does a lot of damage. Fluoride by itself is a very harmful toxin that is used in tranquilizers, fertilizers, industrial compounds, etc...

[go leafs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy

lots of NPOV discussion in the talk section though.... watch for bias.

[go leafs]

here are some real sources

(maybe they are just part of the masonic conspiracy though :p )

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/oralhealth/en/index2.html
http://www.dentalresearch.org/about/iadr/policy.html
http://www.fdiworldental.org/federation/assets/statements/ENGLISH/Fluoride/Fluoride_dental_caries.pdf

[hotweiss]

What about the fluoride in toothpaste?

http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?doi=84803

To compare the effects of fluoride-containing and fluoride-free toothpaste on plaque microflora, 15 subjects were enrolled in a double-blind crossover trial. All subjects used a fluoride toothpaste for 7 days before the trial started. Then, 4 interproximal sites per subject were professionally cleaned and subjects used one of the toothpastes for 5 days. On the 5th day plaque was collected from 2 sites, 12 and 6 h after toothpaste use. There was no difference between the groups in the numbers or proportions of aciduric bacteria (recovered at pH 4.8 or 5.2), or of yeasts, neisseriae, lactobacilli or streptococci (total or individual species, including Streptococcus mutans). However, the numbers and proportions of Gram-positive pleomorphic rods, primarily Actinomyces naeslundii, increased in 6-hour samples from subjects using fluoride toothpaste. The data suggest that the anti-caries effect of fluoride toothpaste is not mediated primarily through effects on the plaque microflora, although effects on plaque physiology could be important.

There's actually enough fluoride in a tube of toothpaste to kill a 9 year old child as fluoride is even more toxic than lead.

http://www.nofluoride.com/

[Gloaming]

Excellent, ban the stuff!!! I will look forward to years of job security as a result.


Or you know, stop believing studies that are conducted using non applicable(or none) control groups, biased researchers, no blinds and happen to be published in journals with no power.


On a side note, too much oxygen can kill you, so I propose we ban all oxygen in our air!!!

[hotweiss]

here are some real sources

(maybe they are just part of the masonic conspiracy though :p )

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/oralhealth/en/index2.html
http://www.dentalresearch.org/about/iadr/policy.html
http://www.fdiworldental.org/federation/assets/statements/ENGLISH/Fluoride/Fluoride_dental_caries.pdf

Yes, they stress how fluoride prevents dental caries, but what about the other harmful side-effects.

[hotweiss]

Excellent, ban the stuff!!! I will look forward to years of job security as a result.


Or you know, stop believing studies that are conducted using non applicable(or none) control groups, biased researchers, no blinds and happen to be published in journals with no power.


On a side note, too much oxygen can kill you, so I propose we ban all oxygen in our air!!!

I agree, ban the stuff. Why would a country like the U.S. which has and had one of the highest levels of poverty in the world suddenly care about dental caries and spend so much money on the fight against dental carries? We've stopped using a lot of drugs from the 20th century that have been evangelized in the past and it's time to do the same for fluoride.

[Gloaming]

I agree, ban the stuff. Why would a country like the U.S. which has and had one of the highest levels of poverty in the world suddenly care about dental caries and spend so much money on the fight against dental carries? We've stopped using a lot of drugs from the 20th century that have been evangelized in the past and it's time to do the same for fluoride.

And don't stop there! Ban All Amalgam fillings so I can 100% of the time place a composite restoration that has a lifetime expectancy that is about 50% of the amalgam.

Then I can drive a different Porsche to work each day due to sheer number of endos I get to do. Well- Until people start complaining that the Bis Phenol in the composites gives their children breasts.....

[jayisthebest88]

Omg

[hotweiss]

And don't stop there! Ban All Amalgam fillings so I can 100% of the time place a composite restoration that has a lifetime expectancy that is about 50% of the amalgam.

Then I can drive a different Porsche to work each day due to sheer number of endos I get to do. Well- Until people start complaining that the Bis Phenol in the composites gives their children breasts.....

Your missing the point here. The negative effects of fluoride out weigh the positive ones.

[Gloaming]

No I understand full well that I stand to gain financially by a ban on fluoride. I also understand that 99.9% of the population suffers from caries. Unfortunately, no study has EVER been published in a PEER REVIEWED journal proving that fluoride's cons outweigh the benefits.

You are quoting studies based on bad science. If I were to write a study saying that 72.8% of everything that Hotweiss posts is considered Trolling, and then published it in the International Journal of Gloaming it wouldn't make it a scientifically sound argument.

[Flyer]

Let's not forget that pesky dihydrogen monoxide...deadly stuff right there...

[hyperion]

Let's not forget that pesky dihydrogen monoxide...deadly stuff right there...
I'm allergic to that stuff :(

[Cruel_Angel]

Let's not forget that pesky dihydrogen monoxide...deadly stuff right there...

It should be that stuff is a leading factor that results in 100% of drownings.

[hotweiss]

No I understand full well that I stand to gain financially by a ban on fluoride. I also understand that 99.9% of the population suffers from caries. Unfortunately, no study has EVER been published in a PEER REVIEWED journal proving that fluoride's cons outweigh the benefits.

You are quoting studies based on bad science. If I were to write a study saying that 72.8% of everything that Hotweiss posts is considered Trolling, and then published it in the International Journal of Gloaming it wouldn't make it a scientifically sound argument.

Actually most studies come from the government and other reputable sources.

[junywanab]

I think it's extremely silly to put it in the water when it's common knowledge to brush and floss after eating or three times a day. I'm not a fan of putting it in the water system.

[infinite.chaoz]

yes yes, another way the communists are trying to control us? At least that was the case in the 60s.

[hotweiss]

yes yes, another way the communists are trying to control us? At least that was the case in the 60s.

It's not a communist thing, but an elitist thing. These guys can wear whatever badge they want. Whether it be communist, capitalist, socialist, fascist...

[NDman]

You are quoting studies based on bad science. If I were to write a study saying that 72.8% of everything that Hotweiss posts is considered Trolling, and then published it in the International Journal of Gloaming it wouldn't make it a scientifically sound argument.

Agreed with that. The standard deviations are so big that it pretty much renders the experiment/finding inconclusive. Drawing any conclusion out of this study is silly

[hotweiss]

Agreed with that. The standard deviations are so big that it pretty much renders the experiment/finding inconclusive. Drawing any conclusion out of this study is silly

I wish that was the case, here are the top 10 fluoride toxicity papers of 2006:

http://www.manataka.org/page228.html

And it seems like there is going to be some action in Alberta!

http://www.fluoridation.com/calgaryb.htm

People are waking up.

[Audiogenic]

98% of Europe's drinking water is fluoridation-free whereas 50% of North American drinking water has fluoride in it.

Bottom line is keep very small children away from it and as far as the adults go, well they all die slowly after the age 18 anyways :)

[konfusion666]

If I were to write a study saying that 72.8% of everything that Hotweiss posts is considered Trolling, and then published it in the International Journal of Gloaming it wouldn't make it a scientifically sound argument.

I think you may be on to something there... :twisted: :lol:

[stevethewheel]

It's not a communist thing, but an elitist thing. These guys can wear whatever badge they want. Whether it be communist, capitalist, socialist, fascist...


So you think "these guys" avoid the flouridated tapwater? They just push it on everyone else?

It is more likely "these guys" are the ones sponsoring the research that you quoted. Convincing more people to buy bottled water at 4X the cost of gasoline! Talk about elitist. Are you sure you aren't being conned by the wiley Masons?

Incidentally, your research compares excessive flouride to non-excessive. The push logically would be for proper flouride management, not elimination of flouride.

Oh I just can't resist.....the fact that flouride is used in scary fertilizers or even somehow in the manufacture of atomic weapons is fear-mongering. So I'll go you one-up. Look up the chemical compound HF that's hyrdoflouric acid....stuff that can eat through solid glass, and even slowly eat through teflon, now isn't that a scary thought? (factually it is HF that is used in the purification of uranium that you're waving the fear-stick around with)

While we're at it - iron doesn't float. Therefore making a boat out of iron is entirely illogical and unscientific.

[UrbanPoet]

woah... hotweis.... easy on the tinfoil hat.

[getmail99]

I wish that was the case, here are the top 10 fluoride toxicity papers of 2006:

http://www.manataka.org/page228.html

And it seems like there is going to be some action in Alberta!

http://www.fluoridation.com/calgaryb.htm

People are waking up.

thanks hotweiss for the information. :)

Well, I start watching all the additional substances in our
food. For example, using sea salt, Non-enriched flour, ..
what else.. Grain-feed chicken..

Why don't we just compile a list, Any website lists these
additional stuff in our food?

[stevethewheel]

............................


For example, using sea salt, ...................


Be careful to keep your intake of iodine up if you use sea salt.

"the man" adds iodine to most table salt because we don't understand our bodies and health anymore.

Unlike flouride in drinking water this one will hit you within a month, and most doctors will miss the diagnosis because iodine deficiency is rare.

[nobbymcdobby]

High fluoride water? It's turned me into a newt.

[Fanboy]

High fluoride water? It's turned me into a newt.
A NEWT?!

[rock hard]

Checked.. my city stoped using floride in Feb 1992 :) thanks for the link.. nice to confirm!

[getmail99]

Be careful to keep your intake of iodine up if you use sea salt.

"the man" adds iodine to most table salt because we don't understand our bodies and health anymore.

Unlike flouride in drinking water this one will hit you within a month, and most doctors will miss the diagnosis because iodine deficiency is rare.

How about too much iodine? I always wonder the problem is too much salt or too much iodine.

There was just a study showing that vitamin is no good, why do we have enriched flour?

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/297/8/842

[gordholio]

How about too much iodine? I always wonder the problem is too much salt or too much iodine.

There was just a study showing that vitamin is no good, why do we have enriched flour?

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/297/8/842

Enriched flour is not really enriched compared to flour that hasn't been sanitized (whole wheat flour).
If they didn't put vitamins back into white flour, it would have pretty much no nutrition.

Interesting article about fluoride:

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

[felix]

What if you boil the water first. I always boil my water unless i'm being lazy or drinking bottled water. :)

[dougi3000]

does canada use flourinated tap water?
:O

i think i will start buying non flourinated toothpaste.

pregnant women shouldnt drink unpurified water. :)

[konfusion666]

I think "water" is a scam. We should all stop drinking water!

Down with evil water!

Say NO to H-2-O!

[BelligerentDog]

I don't drink tap water, never have, never will. My mom believed fluoride was toxic since the 70s. I never had fluoride at the dentists, never used fluoride toothpaste until I started buying my own, and we always had filtered water, or bought bottles, and now we use a water cooler. I think the real deterrent out here is the way the water smells, though. And the fact that everything in southern Ontario is polluted to hell.