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go leafs
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:18 PM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070305.r-wireless05/BNStory/Technology/home

We are getting ripped off!



High fees prompt Canadians to leave cellphones on hold

SIMON AVERY

From Monday's Globe and Mail

The average cellphone bill is one-third more in Canada than in the United States, and although the price gap is closing, it continues to hinder the adoption of wireless communications in this country, a report to be released on Monday says.

Just 56 per cent of Canadians have a mobile phone, compared with an average of about 90 per cent in the rest of the developed world. The discrepancy leaves the country at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to using a basic productivity tool that has become the world's most common communications device.

“Canadian wireless adoption is a national disgrace,” concludes the telecommunications consultancy Seaboard Group, in a report entitled Lament for a Wireless Nation.

Twenty-four years after the federal government issued its first licences for cellphone service, only about one of every two Canadians has a device, compared with about three-quarters of the population in the United States, which began going mobile at the same time.

While Canada can boast to pioneering such technology as Research In Motion Ltd.'s BlackBerry wireless device, the country's adoption rate for cellphones puts it on par with Tunisia (average per capita income of $8,600 U.S.) and slightly behind Turkey.

“Being the rump of the wireless world should not be our national dream,” said the report's co-authors, Iain Grant, based in Montreal, and Kevin Restivo, of Toronto.

The report breaks the market into three categories of users. The high-end business user, who uses 1,200 minutes of voice plus data monthly, pays 150 per cent more than a subscriber in the United States.

The average user, defined as someone using 500 minutes a month, pays a 33-per-cent premium. And the light user, someone who keeps the phone packed away most of the month and spurns add-on features such as voice mail and call display, actually comes out ahead, paying 27 per cent less.

However, Canadians pay more in all three categories when compared with Europeans, the report said.

“Canadians aren't tech laggards, as has been suggested in recent discussions on the country's state of wireless phone competition. Instead, they are rational economic beings. Canadians hesitate to buy cellphones or to hit the send button on a cellphone knowing full well the cost at the end of the month will be breathtaking,” it said.

Seaboard suggests the government take several steps to improve the situation for Canadians, including allocating wireless spectrum for one or more new competitors. The spectrum could be awarded to a new national carrier or one or more regional operators. In the United States, regional phone companies such as Dallas-based MetroPCS Wireless Inc. have helped promote national competition. In addition, the report recommends that regulators consider minority foreign ownership in a new carrier.

Competition over wireless pricing in Canada has stalled since major operators swallowed the two independent companies; Vancouver-based Telus Corp. bought Clearnet Communications Inc. in 2000 for $6.6-billion (Canadian) and Toronto-based Rogers Wireless Communications Inc. purchased Microcell Telecommunications Inc. in 2004 for $1.4-billion. The government has an opportunity in its upcoming radio spectrum auction to fix that, and inject more competition in the market, the report said.

To give new entrants a fair chance, Seaboard also suggests the government require incumbents to share their tower space for a fee.

Among recommendations made to the industry itself, the report advised mobile phone companies to target new demographics, such as seniors, with appropriate pricing; eliminate long-distance charges; and focus on adding new customers rather than just trying to increase average revenue per user.

A report from the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission last summer said phone companies for the first time generated more revenue in 2005 from wireless products than from local service, their traditional bread and butter. The Canadian Wireless Telecommunications Association says 47 per cent of all phone connections in Canada are wireless.

UrbanPoet
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:21 PM
i think we get raped b/c we can...
we can afford to pay extra so they charge extra.
if they charged canadian rates in tunsinia no1 will ever have a cell phone

hyperion
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:22 PM
Good, this reinforces my belief all cellphone companies in this country are crooks. Knowing what I know now, I probably would not have bought a cellphone...but renewal time is coming up (finally).

hyperion
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:24 PM
i think we get raped b/c we can...
we can afford to pay extra so they charge extra.
if they charged canadian rates in tunsinia no1 will ever have a cell phone

I don't understand your argument. Are you saying that Canadians get charged more because we're richer?? In that case, Americans should be charged more than Canadians, but they're not.

Evil Baby
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:32 PM
It's pretty sad considering Canada is one of the cheapest places in the world for local calls. You'd think that would continue over into the cell phone industry but I guess not. I wonder if that 1/3rd more comes from all those extra fee's that bring a $25 plan to $42 in mere seconds.

I guess it also has something to do with what little competition we have.

UrbanPoet
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:32 PM
I don't understand your argument. Are you saying that Canadians get charged more because we're richer?? In that case, Americans should be charged more than Canadians, but they're not.

oh yes.. and theres market differences too.
Stuff is cheaper in the states b/c theres more people and its more competitive.

Gee
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:33 PM
The US has more carriers and more competition. In fact in some cases, it is cheaper to get a cell phone over a landline. Some of their packages offer free State to State calling for a flat fee. Free calls within the network etc. It is very competitive there.

Some of these offerings are starting to appear in Canada. But it is slowly being adopted. Rogers offers free calls within network and unlimited incoming. But it is still expensive.

konfusion666
Mar 5th, 2007, 03:56 PM
what is the "true cost" of a modern GSM handset anyways?

because in India, i see every tom, dick, and harry running around with a GSM cell.
a manual laborer who probably makes a few bucks a day, might not be able to afford anything better than plain rice for his noon meal, but he's got a half-decent Samsung flip-phone...
and before you say "contract", no, that's not it, everyone over there seems to use prepaid cards.

aquariaguy
Mar 5th, 2007, 04:12 PM
I don't understand your argument. Are you saying that Canadians get charged more because we're richer?? In that case, Americans should be charged more than Canadians, but they're not.


We have crazy ass plans in America. I mean its more expensive, but you get a better bang for the buck. The cheapest plan for Verizon is $39.99. I get 450 DAYtime minutes, unlimited nights/weekends, caller ID, voice mail, shitload of text messages for $5 (comes out to 2 cents a text), free verizon to verizon. Also theres absolutely NO roaming ANYWHERE in the US. Also I can send texts to anyone in Canada with no long distance fees. I wish Canada had someting like that, with no roaming across Canada. For example, I can drive from Philly to Buffalo and talk on my phone. No roaming when I change states. People send picture messages here just like a text in Canada. It's wonderful. However, its $40, plus $6 fee. Only 5% tax on certain things like the cell. On clothes, shoes, food, no tax :)

With my plan, as a student, I don't need a landline. And 450 minutes is sufficient enough, since more than 50% of my friends have Verizon.

jm20
Mar 5th, 2007, 04:12 PM
Its simply because we have a larger land mass that is less dense than any other country basically. It costs the carriers more to provide better coverage for a population that is relatively small. It's the same deal with the lack of fibre optic cable being pushed for internet use in canada, while other countries have enjoyed FTTN for almost a decade now.

cipher
Mar 5th, 2007, 04:16 PM
It's that damned "System Access Fee" that really ticks me off. It's just collusion that every cellular provider in Canada charges the same fee. Why isn't the feds going after them for this?!?!

Dano76
Mar 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM
I understand all of the arguments (productivity, etc.), but I don't personally see anything wrong with the fact that every Tom, Dick, and Harriet doesn't have a cel. If I didn't need one for work, I wouldn't have one either! The article sounds a bit too much like someone trying to convince me we should have them ("they have it so we should too") rather than an argument about it's cost.

UrbanPoet
Mar 5th, 2007, 05:02 PM
what is the "true cost" of a modern GSM handset anyways?

because in India, i see every tom, dick, and harry running around with a GSM cell.
a manual laborer who probably makes a few bucks a day, might not be able to afford anything better than plain rice for his noon meal, but he's got a half-decent Samsung flip-phone...
and before you say "contract", no, that's not it, everyone over there seems to use prepaid cards.

i know in many countries with a lack of telecommunication infrastructure use cell phones. It makes it easier.

kitbor
Mar 5th, 2007, 06:07 PM
“Canadian wireless adoption is a national disgrace,” concludes the telecommunications consultancy Seaboard Group, in a report entitled Lament for a Wireless Nation.

ROFL, :lol:

When was the last time, the wireless adoption was used to dignify nation's pride? The attitude of Seaboard Group was very repulsive. Excuse me, I'm going to throw up. What’s a sour loser! Give Canadian some credit, we aren’t going pay for your vacation in Bahamas. Want to sell more? Then offer the better price and services!

mhayer10
Mar 5th, 2007, 06:34 PM
we canadians get ripped off in everything, always have to pay more

rc51
Mar 5th, 2007, 06:36 PM
Do people really need cell phones?

I would assume that 99% of airtime is just wasted airtime. I ride the C-train here in Calgary, and you get on the train, you'll see at least 1/2 dozen people hanging on their cell phones, but most of them are really saying nothing at all..especially the kids (elementary and high school), it seems to be more of an entertainment piece than the tool its supposed to be.

I watched one person and she was on her phone my entire ride which was about 25 min....except for the words, huh, yaah, cool, that was the jist of the conversation, and there were periods of several minutes she didn't say nothing, she was using her phone and air time to kill time.

The moral of the story, get work to get you a phone, then it's FREE! :D

Dano76
Mar 5th, 2007, 11:44 PM
“Canadian wireless adoption is a national disgrace,” concludes the telecommunications consultancy Seaboard Group, in a report entitled Lament for a Wireless Nation.

ROFL, :lol:

When was the last time, the wireless adoption was used to dignify nation's pride? The attitude of Seaboard Group was very repulsive. Excuse me, I'm going to throw up. What’s a sour loser! Give Canadian some credit, we aren’t going pay for your vacation in Bahamas. Want to sell more? Then offer the better price and services!

+1

enforcerviper
Mar 6th, 2007, 07:56 AM
Data rates are the worse in Canada. Otherwise we could enjoy far better media content.

V A N Q U I S H
Mar 6th, 2007, 07:58 AM
Data rates are the worse in Canada. Otherwise we could enjoy far better media content.

Yeah, looking at the prices I didn't bother getting a data plan for my smartphone.

abu_sme
Mar 6th, 2007, 08:40 AM
I know a lot of the billing loopholes and I know on a certain wireless provider how to get unlimited data for free. No I will not reveal which carrier.

Topher
Mar 6th, 2007, 11:04 AM
In Australia, 6 years ago, I had a plan for $25 that covered 2 phones, gave me $20 worth of calls/text/whatever, and another $5 worth of data only, free calls from one phone to the other (first 3 minutes of each call), as well as free CND and voicemail. Unfortunately, here in Canada, I pay twice the amount and get half the calls, and none of the extras. Yeah, they got us by the short and curlies. What we need is competition. They should open the bandwidth so that there are at least 4 companies per area. (That would allow for regional operators as well.) Allow foreign investment as well, to prevent collusion. Then we will see what the proper market rates are.

And to those who say we should pay more because of the infrastructure, I disagree. This is an easier way to reach those who are further off the beaten path. May third world countries use wireless technology for their home phones, as it is far more cost effective than running wires to each and every home.

cil254
Mar 6th, 2007, 11:07 AM
we canadians get ripped off in everything, always have to pay more

:arrowu: :arrowu:

ch1zo
Mar 6th, 2007, 11:15 AM
like another person mentioned...
why do we have to pay for the system access fee or 911...shouldnt it be free since we are buying the f*cking services from them already???

UrbanPoet
Mar 6th, 2007, 11:20 AM
I know a lot of the billing loopholes and I know on a certain wireless provider how to get unlimited data for free. No I will not reveal which carrier.

sure you do. And i kno the queen of england.

civ@uw
Mar 6th, 2007, 11:25 AM
“Canadian wireless adoption is a national disgrace,” concludes the telecommunications consultancy Seaboard Group, in a report entitled Lament for a Wireless Nation.

ROFL, :lol:

When was the last time, the wireless adoption was used to dignify nation's pride? The attitude of Seaboard Group was very repulsive. Excuse me, I'm going to throw up. What’s a sour loser! Give Canadian some credit, we aren’t going pay for your vacation in Bahamas. Want to sell more? Then offer the better price and services!

LOL, well said.

Kohanz
Mar 6th, 2007, 11:26 AM
God forbid 90% of us don't have cellphones. For shame.

Nikita
Mar 6th, 2007, 12:29 PM
Canadian apathy is what allows this kind of stuff to continue. We accept way to much because we've been bred politically to not cause confrontation. If enough people complained to their servers and/or put more effort into changing their server with the companies that are more fair (and letting thier current server know exactly why), or who respond to a population by complaining, things will change. Canadians have always been known as apathetic about changing things, and too accepting of the corporate world and government policies.

konfusion666
Mar 6th, 2007, 01:58 PM
sure you do. And i kno the queen of england.

you do realize there are people who work for Rogers Wireless *cough-cough* on this board, right?

hyperion
Mar 6th, 2007, 04:41 PM
Canadian apathy is what allows this kind of stuff to continue. We accept way to much because we've been bred politically to not cause confrontation. If enough people complained to their servers and/or put more effort into changing their server with the companies that are more fair (and letting thier current server know exactly why), or who respond to a population by complaining, things will change. Canadians have always been known as apathetic about changing things, and too accepting of the corporate world and government policies.

Yeah, and the media here is busy smearing all of the political figures (one day its Harper, the other it's Dion) than to discuss the actual issues. So in the end, nobody knows anything beside some caricature-like views of our politicians, which also explains why very few people bother voting.

GangStarr
Mar 6th, 2007, 07:08 PM
just try and separate me from my blackberry

abu_sme
Mar 6th, 2007, 08:10 PM
A really good way to get a deal is to threaten to cancell. Even if you are still in contract, it hurts them pretty badly. Its the government complacency that causes these monopolies. Canada needs to do what the states did with AT&T and have a big breakup of the companies. Make a bunch of baby bells and we'll see some REAL competition in this country.

Strangely enough companies in Canada have more leverage to screw over customers than in the US. If a company pushes its weight around too much it'll get broken up.

aequitas
Mar 9th, 2007, 08:25 PM
well number portability is coming, this month i believe. Its obviously not going to be as advertised, but when this happened in the states, in the first year you saw introductions of these plans with tons of min/unlimted calling and such. I'd expect to see much of the same here. On the same token, everything will become contracts. they wont offer you such great deals on plans/phones without locking you in.

im sitting pretty happy with my rogers plan...1500 daytime/unlimited evenings and weekends starting at 6pm/voicemail and call id for $50 a month plus taxes. comes out to like $70-75 all said and done. but a hell of a lot better than the 400-500 bills i was getting 2 years ago :)