Bushido - pay me

[chuckdeg]

Is 10 days without receiving a payment a sign that I wont get paid. Bushido bought a CPU. I sent him since i didnt have any Heatware refs (newbie here), i checked his refs and it was fine. Told me he would pay me last friday but hasnt and he didnt came back since saturday. I just want my cash :confused:

[Table21]

That guy is always a pain. He negotiates a deal and you think everything is good, then when you get to payment he always has some stupid way of getting money to you. He has tried to get 6-7 items off me now and I have not sold him one because of this.

As for everyone else, do not ship first.

[chuckdeg]

F**K :mad:

[zfmduel]

you should give us more details.

[chuckdeg]

Well, here's the story. I sold a CPU to Bushido. Since i was a new member and didnt have any heatware refs, he told me to ship the item first. Wasnt sure at first but I checked his refs and it seemed fine. So i shipped the item via ExpressPost 2 weeks ago, he received the item monday the 19th. I sent him a PM to ask him to pay me. After that, he told me he would pay me on friday when he'll get his pay. But nada money has been transfered to my account friday. Tried to contact him several times after that but he never responds and he hasn't come on the forum since saturday. What should i do now?

[ReBeL]

I sold him a video card, but it was shipped COD.

ie: He gave Canada Post the cash and they sent me a Postal Money Order


Try to chill out and give him until the end of the weekend to respond or
come through with payment.

I doubt he'll screw you as you shipped via Expresspost and nobody wants to
to deal with a mail fraud claim with Canada Post. Too bad Canadian postal
inspectors don't carry guns like their American counterparts.

I would never in a million years ship something off before being paid........


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[bm_attar]

Well, being a newbie and all, I personally think the # of posts and heatware are way overrated. I only have eBay feedbacks, I only do local trades, and yes sometimes for a lot of money. And the most important thing is that I never had a problem with any deals I made.

What I really appreciate about RFD is the advice I get from other members. It saved me from a bad trade once. And in many occasions people with a big # of posts have been the subject of complaints and sometimes worse.

A newbie versus a veteran trader doesnot mean you ship something with zero gurantee. That doesn't seem to follow common sense to me.

Ok, let flaming start.

[chuckdeg]

Yeah i know. I should'nt have done that. Well is there a number i can call like Canada Post or there's no help here?

[Mark099]

Yeah i know. I should'nt have done that. Well is there a number i can call like Canada Post or there's no help here?

If you paid for tracking you may have been able to have the parcel held, but once it's delivered you are out of luck.

The only thing you can do is to start looking for people that live close to him. Maybe they are willing to pay him a visit to get your money or your CPU back.

[chuckdeg]

found out i got his phone number. called him but wasnt there. left a message. hopes he will call back.

[Mark099]

found out i got his phone number. called him but wasnt there. left a message. hopes he will call back.

Answering machine, parents, sibling, or room-mate?

[chuckdeg]

answering machine

[Mark099]

answering machine


Hopefully he still lives with parents that have some integrity. If they get the message first, perhaps, they'll force him to pay you.

[skyblue12]

Well, being a newbie and all, I personally think the # of posts and heatware are way overrated. I only have eBay feedbacks, I only do local trades, and yes sometimes for a lot of money. And the most important thing is that I never had a problem with any deals I made.

What I really appreciate about RFD is the advice I get from other members. It saved me from a bad trade once. And in many occasions people with a big # of posts have been the subject of complaints and sometimes worse.

A newbie versus a veteran trader doesnot mean you ship something with zero gurantee. That doesn't seem to follow common sense to me.

Ok, let flaming start.

+1

ebay / heatware is just a source of reference, but aren't always accurate. post count isn't always accurate as well, just because a person has a high post count doesn't mean they're always good traders. newbies with low post counts could have done a lot of deals before-hand as well, and in some cases they are probably better traders than some people who have high post counts and good ebay / heatware. i kno of people who get their friends to post fake heatware for them all the time, so sometimes it can be conceiving.

it's mostly a rule of thumb that the "newbie" ships first, or whoever has the most references ships first, but like bm_attar said, isn't really fair that the newbie has zero guarantee.

[ReBeL]

post count isn't always accurate as well, just because a person has a high post count doesn't mean they're always good traders.

>>> I've seen people make 500 worthless posts within a few days on
here. Means nothing.......


it's mostly a rule of thumb that the "newbie" ships first, or whoever has the most references ships first, but like bm_attar said, isn't really fair that the newbie has zero guarantee.

>>> That may be changing. If you go through the threads you'll find some
good apples that have gone bad. Not worth rolling the dice. Be patient and
a local buyer will eventually come along.

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[Jetmech]

Is 10 days without receiving a payment a sign that I wont get paid. Bushido bought a CPU. I sent him since i didnt have any Heatware refs (newbie here), i checked his refs and it was fine. Told me he would pay me last friday but hasnt and he didnt came back since saturday. I just want my cash :confused:

Sorry to hear about your troubles and I hope it gets rectified. Hmmm, he pm'd me about some ram I have for sale and lowballed me and asked about shipping to Sarnia. Glad I never followed thru but if he had asked to ship first the sale would have come to a screeching halt anyway.

[chuckdeg]

BTW, if anyone is from sarnia and could give me a hand to go see him that would be really appreciated :D

[souriii]

BTW, if anyone is from sarnia and could give me a hand to go see him that would be really appreciated :D

Since you have his address, do a reverse lookup on 411.ca (I beleive thats the website) and get his home phone number and start calling ..
Also go through his posts and try to gather as much info as you can.
Good luck

[chuckdeg]

finally he replied. Seems he has been living the worst 2 weeks of his life. He has divorced with his wife and she has taken all money from his bank account...and now he hasn't access to internet so its hard to contact me. Told he would pay me but didnt say when. I sent a pm back to tell when and if it takes too much to ship back the CPU. I just hope he is not making a story out of this

[vinciman1215]

finally he replied. Seems he has been living the worst 2 weeks of his life. He has divorced with his wife and she has taken all money from his bank account...and now he hasn't access to internet so its hard to contact me. Told he would pay me but didnt say when. I sent a pm back to tell when and if it takes too much to ship back the CPU. I just hope he is not making a story out of this

I'm sorry, but that just sounds like a load of horse *****...

I've been scammed before and I've literally heard that line being said more than 10 times.

It's sick that people would actually make up stuff like that.

Wait until one day it really happens to him...

[FlintBlade]

I'm sorry, but that just sounds like a load of horse *****...

I've been scammed before and I've literally heard that line being said more than 10 times.

It's sick that people would actually make up stuff like that.

Wait until one day it really happens to him...

+1

I'm totally not buying it.

[bm_attar]

Damn!
What's is with this story! I am sure I've read it before.
At least he replied :)
Good luck.

[newbi]

this is what i mean by "shipping first when u have less heatware" is the dumbest idea EVER .. i had a thread of discussion about this and ppl w/ lots of heatware think they are God and seems to think shipping first for newbs is the way to go.. . and this is what happens.. i will try to dig up the thread if i can.

[Jetmech]

this is what i mean by "shipping first when u have less heatware" is the dumbest idea EVER .. i had a thread of discussion about this and ppl w/ lots of heatware think they are God and seems to think shipping first for newbs is the way to go.. . and this is what happens.. i will try to dig up the thread if i can.

I couldn't agree more. It's like I have to do you a favor because you're buying something from me. Sorry pal, I'm holding the item so if you want it, you do the legwork or at least half the legwork to get the item. I've shipped stuff to people before and even given them the luxury of giving them my shipping discount (which is pretty big) thru work and another big name courier that will drop it off at their door and people still hum and haw about it.

[Nubee]

this is what i mean by "shipping first when u have less heatware" is the dumbest idea EVER .. i had a thread of discussion about this and ppl w/ lots of heatware think they are God and seems to think shipping first for newbs is the way to go.. . and this is what happens.. i will try to dig up the thread if i can.

well, if we do it the other way around, say I just joined today only have 1 post and no reference whether on heatware or ebay and ask you to pay me first before I ship would you do it?

since joining rfd, if my memory serves me right, I've seen less than 10 people with high post count go bad. now that number is nothing compared to the number of members here on rfd and should be expected as this is not a perfect world. i am not saying this because I have high post count but to defend those people like me who wants to deal honestly. in fact i don't mention any of my reference ( although I have lots both on heatware and ebay ) until being asked or after the trade is completed.

[Mark099]

this is what i mean by "shipping first when u have less heatware" is the dumbest idea EVER .. i had a thread of discussion about this and ppl w/ lots of heatware think they are God and seems to think shipping first for newbs is the way to go.. . and this is what happens.. i will try to dig up the thread if i can.

I couldn't agree more. It's like I have to do you a favor because you're buying something from me. Sorry pal, I'm holding the item so if you want it, you do the legwork or at least half the legwork to get the item. I've shipped stuff to people before and even given them the luxury of giving them my shipping discount (which is pretty big) thru work and another big name courier that will drop it off at their door and people still hum and haw about it.

I think both of you are making assumptions about Bushido in terms of him having lots of heatware and a high post count. The reality is he has none of those. He's a newbie just like both of you.

Heatware is not perfect, but it's the best tool we have at the moment.

[Jetmech]

I think both of you are making assumptions about Bushido in terms of him having lots of heatware and a high post count. The reality is he has none of those. He's a newbie just like both of you.

Heatware is not perfect, but it's the best tool we have at the moment.

Not making assumptions about anything in terms of heatware or post count. Being a newb here doesn't mean that you are a newb to the world of internet purchases.


I've used this site to list stuff in the past but I still haven't made a sale directly linked to this site. Still manage to move stuff with no issues. Will continue to utilize all resources avail when I need too. I do think this a good site all the same and no matter what site you use I will add there are people who will try to dupe others.


I realize heatware isn't perfect but there are ways of protecting yourself that have proably been discussed in other threads so no need in beating a dead horse.

[jeffyjaixx]

Hmm... that's weird.

I've dealt with bushido twice.

Both times were pretty smooth. I did COD with him for an E6300 and 2 motherboards.

I got my money a few days after he had received his items.

[Drthorne]

Hmm... that's weird.

I've dealt with bushido twice.

Both times were pretty smooth. I did COD with him for an E6300 and 2 motherboards.

I got my money a few days after he had received his items.

same here, sold him a X1900 a while back and paid by COD... I guess if it's by COD then you'll get your money

[sidshock]

divorce, or no divorce..
doesn't matter.
then he should a: give you a time frame asap, and if you do not accept it, ship the cpu back to you ASAP..

as for refs/posts..
if a person has a high post count, POSITIVE HISTORY of sales and positive heatware, it still has some risk, but much less than none of that...
and not international, means some trust needs to go one way, and it will go the way of the person with a better rep.
If you are a newbie here, but NOT to internet sales, there are other types of refs to provide.

[chuckdeg]

Hmm... that's weird.

I've dealt with bushido twice.

Both times were pretty smooth. I did COD with him for an E6300 and 2 motherboards.

I got my money a few days after he had received his items.

i dont think he want to steal but maybe he's making a story because he doesn't have the money now.

[malaco0219]

Well, being a newbie and all, I personally think the # of posts and heatware are way overrated. I only have eBay feedbacks, I only do local trades, and yes sometimes for a lot of money. And the most important thing is that I never had a problem with any deals I made.

What I really appreciate about RFD is the advice I get from other members. It saved me from a bad trade once. And in many occasions people with a big # of posts have been the subject of complaints and sometimes worse.

A newbie versus a veteran trader doesnot mean you ship something with zero gurantee. That doesn't seem to follow common sense to me.

Ok, let flaming start.

+1

i dont even use feed back, because i use local deals all the time, dealing with relatively respectable members only. Currently waiting for RFD feedback system, but really, all feedback is not good enough compared to local deals, where you can check everything to ensure no scams are attempted.

[jeffyjaixx]

+1

i dont even use feed back, because i use local deals all the time, dealing with relatively respectable members only. Currently waiting for RFD feedback system, but really, all feedback is not good enough compared to local deals, where you can check everything to ensure no scams are attempted.

A RFD feedback system will be cool :)

[Emancipated]

That guy is always a pain. He negotiates a deal and you think everything is good, then when you get to payment he always has some stupid way of getting money to you. He has tried to get 6-7 items off me now and I have not sold him one because of this.

As for everyone else, do not ship first.

The OP could have used this bit of handy info. earlier! RFD needs a Do-not-trade-list with explanations why.

you should give us more details.

Drama feind, are we? :D

[malaco0219]

A RFD feedback system will be cool :)

the mods said its in testing process i believe. check one of the stickys on this forum =]

[guanghot]

I am glad I didn't buy anything from Bushido yet. If I were you, I will post a negative feedback to his heatware immediately, and withdrawl only after he pays you.

[chuckdeg]

Yep. I just left negative feedback. Guess he will never pay me tough. So Beware of Bushido

[ReBeL]

If he doesn't have the money, then tell him to ship the CPU
back to you. I'm sure he has $10 lying around.

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[Ducky]

sounds fishy...if he was going through a life crisis, how does he have the time/mood to buy a cpu???

finally he replied. Seems he has been living the worst 2 weeks of his life. He has divorced with his wife and she has taken all money from his bank account...and now he hasn't access to internet so its hard to contact me. Told he would pay me but didnt say when. I sent a pm back to tell when and if it takes too much to ship back the CPU. I just hope he is not making a story out of this

[kakashi_sensi]

hmm well maybe when he was purchasing it...this happened at the same time...have u not thought of that before?

[chuckdeg]

anyway, its kinda strange. I haven't received any answer from him since he replied on march 2nd. There are two possibilities...first one is that he took a new username, 2nd one...he is just not coming back on the forums.

[chuckdeg]

is there a way to scan his old ip adress and that we could find out if he created a new account here

[HBP]

is there a way to scan his old ip adress and that we could find out if he created a new account here

There is, most people who do that will change their IP.

Worth a try though, PM a mod.

Keep calling his home line, and cell line. I doubt the story about his wife, and even if it were true, all his money would not be gone. Plus, he would have been paid seeing as he must have a job.

[WLJ101]

finally he replied. Seems he has been living the worst 2 weeks of his life. He has divorced with his wife and she has taken all money from his bank account...and now he hasn't access to internet so its hard to contact me. Told he would pay me but didnt say when. I sent a pm back to tell when and if it takes too much to ship back the CPU. I just hope he is not making a story out of this

Everytime we make a sale in RFD, buyer's parent's die, car crash, divorce, all the bad luck goes to the buyer....

[nsr250]

What's Bushido's real name? If I remember correctly there was also a similar scammer from Sarnia about a year ago, they stopped using their accounts around the same time Bushido signed up for his.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293392

[poppa]

Everytime we make a sale in RFD, buyer's parent's die, car crash, divorce, all the bad luck goes to the buyer....

Amazingly, people are sympathetic enough to "wait and see."

[tadabomb]

are you the deal in Canada?

[sweetladdy]

pain..

[7ofu]

Ouch that really sucks, point of advice is to never deal with doubt. It's your money or product being transferred, so to be fully confident, you should ask questions until you're satisfied and enough information to reclaim a loss.

[Happy13178]

If this is still an issue, I'm heading out to Sarnia soon to take care of a few things...give me his info and I'll drop by and see what's what.

[Mazin]

Although I would never EVER send a stranger a product without first getting payment (heck, I don't even do that on World of Warcraft!!), but if anyone stalled on the payment, I would make sure they understood that it is unacceptable. I mean, really understood.

A friendly (no sarcasm) visit to him with a handful of fairly large friends usually does the trick.