What is acceptable?

[enviro61]

I've been waiting 2 weeks for delivery of a product from Toronto. I reside in Ottawa and paid for the item 2 weeks ago on Friday 02, 2006.

It was supposed to be overnight delivery included with the purchase price but the sender upon gettting to the post office decided it was too pricy and sent it regular mail.

It has now been 2 weeks on a purchase of more than $200 and still no item. We have exchanged several emails and Canada Post has assured me that even if someone chooses to send an item via regular post that it will have an item number and can be tracked.

Now, I don't want to claim foul but what would you do?

[_dangtx_]

even regular mail has some kinda tracking unles its a 1$ envelope with no insurance then ure fudged.
dan

[Toasterdude]

Yeah I just mailed out a regular parcel to London yesterday and got a tracking number with it. I hope you have his contact info!
IMO I would post the sellers user name because two weeks is unacceptable!! 3-4 days max if regular (Toronto to Ottawa).
Good luck,

Toaster

[_dangtx_]

hmm..regular can take liek a week(read 7 business days or more depending on distance) ut never more than two.if u call canada post the ywill probably tell u to wait 30 days.still,call them :)
i dont know the seller,but if he screws up u can call upon for mail fraud as well :)
dan

[enviro61]

Yeah I just mailed out a regular parcel to London yesterday and got a tracking number with it. I hope you have his contact info!
IMO I would post the sellers user name because two weeks is unacceptable!! 3-4 days max if regular.
Good luck,

Toaster

Yes it is very unacceptable but I will give him 1 more day to provide me with a tracking number so that I can verify with Canada Post. If he refuses to provide me with an item number or claims to have not been given one or lost it then I will reveal the details.

I am in a bit of a bind because I do not know whether to go out and buy a new video card or wait until this one is resolved, one way or the other. While I am a new trader to rfd I have 100% positive feedback on ebay and playerauctions using the same name on more than 40 transactions.

I do realize Canada Post can and has lost things in the past and this is why I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. As well, he has several pos feedback on his heatware and he has kept in touch with me via pm.

However, a tracking number would be nice...

[Toasterdude]

Yeah I would be concerned if you didn't get the tracking number within a couple of days. I did have an express post that I was shipping to Toronto take 5 days once.... but seems a little fishy to me. Did you get it insured?

Toaster


Yes it is very unacceptable but I will give him 1 more day to provide me with a tracking number so that I can verify with Canada Post. If he refuses to provide me with an item number or claims to have not been given one or lost it then I will reveal the details.

I am in a bit of a bind because I do not know whether to go out and buy a new video card or wait until this one is resolved, one way or the other. While I am a new trader to rfd I have 100% positive feedback on ebay and playerauctions using the same name on more than 40 transactions.

I do realize Canada Post can and has lost things in the past and this is why I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. As well, he has several pos feedback on his heatware and he has kept in touch with me via pm.

However, a tracking number would be nice...

[enviro61]

Yeah I would be concerned if you didn't get the tracking number within a couple of days. I did have an express post that I was shipping to Toronto take 5 days once.... but seems a little fishy to me. Did you get it insured?

Toaster

Based on my experiences the first $100 of insurance is covered with Canada Post and after that it is very cheap per $100, something in the order of $1-2.

I was under the assumption based on buying the item and having read the add that overnight shipping was included in the purchase price. In the end he went with regular parcel and no I have not yet been given a tracking number. He has however kept in touch so I will give him the benefit of the doubt until he has an answer regarding the tracking number.

Obviously something has gone wrong somewhere, I just do not know where things went awry. Yes the seller did not hold true to his overnight shipping in the add but it is not like he has fled the scene after getting the emt funds either.

[_dangtx_]

if he doesnt have tracking then ask for a copy of the receipt,he can scan or fax it.
dan

[Lil Big Mec]

So it's been 2 weeks since he allegedly mailed it and even though he is keeping in touch via private messages, you still have not received tracking info? If that's the case, then you never will. What's his excuse for not providing a tracking number?

[_dangtx_]

man just post all the info u have on the guy.

[enviro61]

Here are his comments. The 'dispute' is with pcpro. You tell me what you would do...



Hey When I called Canada post they told me If the parcel had an item number for tracking its location can be traced. Unfortunately I wasn't given a tracking number with regular parcel nor have I ever been given one. You usually only get a tracking number for Xpresspost and Priority Courier. I told them I didn't have a number and asked them if there is any other possible way for me to locate where it is. They said
If the letter had no tracking service option, then unfortunately they will be unable to determine the exact reason as to why a specific parcel has been delayed or has never been received. They also told me some bull about if the item is undeliverable and so forth but I made 100% your exact name and address where on it as well as a return address. It had sufficient postage as well since I gave it directly to them at the post office after the purchase. I feel really bad because you said your in a bind now but it's really out of my hands I'm going to give Canada post another call first thing Monday morning and try again or file a complaint.


Quote:
Originally Posted by enviro61
I was able to get through to Canada Post and they said it would be no problem to track the package with the item number.

I am in a bind as I can not exactly go out and buy a new card when this one may or may not arrive.

Canada Post acknowledged that something has gone wrong in all likelihood as it should not take this long to get to Ottawa from T.O

What number were you calling at CP?

__________________

[vinciman1215]

I would usually give the seller the benefit of the doubt, but in this case he seems to be stringing you along needlessly. Drawing from personal experiences, I've actually been scammed like this before. Using EMT to pay a total stranger can be extremely risky, because simply there is no recourse.

I would wait a couple more days, see what he has to say as you can't lie forever right? eventually he'll run out of good explanations to give you.

If you have any bits of his personal contact information I would hold on to those just in case.

Regardless, keep on posting your convos with him. It'll certainly help us decipher whether or not he's guilty of fraud.

[enviro61]

The problem is the auction included overnight shipping and he decided not to send it overnight as he said it was too costly. He did not consult with me on this until after he 'sent it'.


His comments:

damn sorry man couldnt really afford the expresspost....Let me know as soon as you get it thought and we'll swap heat.

-Thanks.


Quote:
Originally Posted by enviro61
Still not arrived yet...



Quote:
Originally Posted by enviro61
Hi,

Any glitches or everything get out ok?

Thanks,

Jay


[/quote]


Originally Posted by pcpro
ok, i accept EMT
send the emt to andre.tavares03@gmail.com
And send me your address and it will be out on monday. I would call you but i will get dinged for long distance charges.

-Thanks



Quote:
Originally Posted by enviro61
I will take it. I can be reached at 613-799-9533 and can pay via emt or paypal etc.

I reside in Ottawa.

Jay

[Noob1ee]

^ not such a good idea to post your phone out here, should edit it out!

[enviro61]

^ not such a good idea to post your phone out here, should edit it out!

Work gave me a new bb so that number was dead as of last week.

[kitbor]

Here are his comments. The 'dispute' is with pcpro. You tell me what you would do...



Hey When I called Canada post they told me If the parcel had an item number for tracking its location can be traced. Unfortunately I wasn't given a tracking number with regular parcel nor have I ever been given one. You usually only get a tracking number for Xpresspost and Priority Courier. I told them I didn't have a number and asked them if there is any other possible way for me to locate where it is. They said
If the letter had no tracking service option, then unfortunately they will be unable to determine the exact reason as to why a specific parcel has been delayed or has never been received. They also told me some bull about if the item is undeliverable and so forth but I made 100% your exact name and address where on it as well as a return address. It had sufficient postage as well since I gave it directly to them at the post office after the purchase. I feel really bad because you said your in a bind now but it's really out of my hands I'm going to give Canada post another call first thing Monday morning and try again or file a complaint.


Quote:
Originally Posted by enviro61
I was able to get through to Canada Post and they said it would be no problem to track the package with the item number.

I am in a bind as I can not exactly go out and buy a new card when this one may or may not arrive.

Canada Post acknowledged that something has gone wrong in all likelihood as it should not take this long to get to Ottawa from T.O

What number were you calling at CP?

__________________

He might not know this but the tracking number is on the receipt.

https://em.canadapost.ca/emo/basicPin.do?language=en#
Click "What are the formats of the Tracking Number?" and then place a mouse over "Regular Parcel™" under "Residential Shipping Label" ;)

Good luck.

[Jon Lai]

Ottawa to Toronto should be no more than 2 days, 3 days maximum. Heck, I sent a package via regular from Toronto to Manitoba and it was there in 3 days!

[tj896]

Oh come on! It's plainly obvious to all of us that pcpro never sent the package! Canada Post now includes tracking for free on all parcels and the people at the postal counters circle or underline the tracking numbers for everyone...well at least they do for me and they are supposed to. The tracking number is on the till receipt. 16 numbers in 4 groups of 4. pcpro deserves a big negative on his heatware and owes you a refund. If he can provide you with legit tracking, he needs to refund the difference in shipping costs anyway since he didn't stick to his side of the agreement. Another for my DNT list! Keeps getting bigger and bigger all the time!

[enviro61]

Oh come on! It's plainly obvious to all of us that pcpro never sent the package! Canada Post now includes tracking for free on all parcels and the people at the postal counters circle or underline the tracking numbers for everyone...well at least they do for me and they are supposed to. The tracking number is on the till receipt. 16 numbers in 4 groups of 4. pcpro deserves a big negative on his heatware and owes you a refund. If he can provide you with legit tracking, he needs to refund the difference in shipping costs anyway since he didn't stick to his side of the agreement. Another for my DNT list! Keeps getting bigger and bigger all the time!


He says he feels bad for me but I doubt he will feel bad enough to refund the money.

He says he didn't have the money to pay for the expresspost from T.O to Ottawa which for a graphics card is pretty minimal. Hell, I gave him $240, he would have had that in no time at all.

Anyway, I lose $240 and he geta a neagtive feedback. It's a lose lose

[illusive]

Every single time I've mailed a parcel via regular post within Canada I was given a tracking number on the receipt.

[Composter]

Sorry but most of these unfortunate events happen to people that don't do their home work before PAYING some stranger. (Phone number, Address, references, personal info.) You can get a tracking number for $1 more added to any package and for that $1 it would also include a $100 insurance level. Additional insurance is 75 CENTS per $100. As for not sending the package Xpresspost because of the cost it still could have been sent with a tracking number and $100 insurance as regular post for $1 more..... would have been better than nothing.

it is some sort of security for both parties, If I am buying something that shipping is included in the price I make sure it will be shipped with a tracking number and the appropriate insurance, if the seller does not want to do this for the price I offer the $1-$3 needed to do so. If they still don't want to ship with that method I DO NOT BUY!

In this case if the seller did in fact ship the package but without any type of tracking or insurance and it goes missing I would say it is his/her full responsibility because the deal was that it would be included. Plus it also protects the sender by the reciever not just saying they didn't get it and really did.

If he just simply is scamming you then I hope you got at least his/her home number and that you had talked to him/her before paying him/her.

[enviro61]

Sorry but most of these unfortunate events happen to people that don't do their home work before PAYING some stranger. (Phone number, Address, references, personal info.) You can get a tracking number for $1 more added to any package and for that $1 it would also include a $100 insurance level. Additional insurance is 75 CENTS per $100. As for not sending the package Xpresspost because of the cost it still could have been sent with a tracking number and $100 insurance as regular post for $1 more..... would have been better than nothing.

it is some sort of security for both parties, If I am buying something that shipping is included in the price I make sure it will be shipped with a tracking number and the appropriate insurance, if the seller does not want to do this for the price I offer the $1-$3 needed to do so. If they still don't want to ship with that method I DO NOT BUY!

In this case if the seller did in fact ship the package but without any type of tracking or insurance and it goes missing I would say it is his/her full responsibility because the deal was that it would be included. Plus it also protects the sender by the reciever not just saying they didn't get it and really did.

If he just simply is scamming you then I hope you got at least his/her home number and that you had talked to him/her before paying him/her.


I checked his feedback and it was 100%. Hindsight is 20/20.

I have made a lot of transactions via ebay and playerauctions and I am pretty good at weeding out the scammers. I am not a novice but yes I and everyone are susceptible to a scam.

I can say this with absolute certainty; he has not been a good seller. I have sold a lot of things online and I am very conscientious of the buyer and their concerns. I ship it and send it asap and provide them with all of the info. To the credit of most on here and others with whom I have dealt with, they do the same.

Online trading has inherent risks and we do what we can to mitigate them. We rely on the feedback of others as a guide for ourselves. His feedback was 11-0. Sure he goes by a couple of names but right or wrong, I felt the decision I was making was sound. Foolproof, no but sound given the circumstances.

I would advise others to avoid him for the following reasons:

1. HE did not show a keen interest on getting me the item. His focus was in getting the money asap and once he had the money, he lost interest in being a person of his word or integrity.

2. He did not overnight it or next day the delivery as he promised in the sale.

3. I bought it on a Friday and he did not ship it out until the following Tuesday despite advertising overnight, next day shipping.

4. He claimed it wsa too costly yet he had $240 emt to him. I ship things often enough to know that a video card from T.O to Ottawa is not much more than regular parcel.

5. He has failed to provide me with a tracking or item number. HE claims he was not given one. I can not do anything beyond this.

At the time of the sale, I was very new to RFD and had zero feedback. I was the perfect person to scam.

Jay

[NortHWizarD]

this really sucks... I feel for ya man :mad:

Although there is not a lot you can do, at least you have done something to help others avoid falling into the same crap with this guy... and I know we al thank you for that - unfortunately that does nothing to compensate you for the loss you took on the deal.

I really hope the guy comes clean and makes fair on this deal with you - it's to bad there are jerks like this out there, but remember that most of the people you will deal with on this forum are *not* like him and are stand-up people. I have had great dealings on this forum, but I pay close attention to threads like this and add idiots like him to my DNT list right away... as soon as the first shady looking thing shows up... I would rather be wrong about a person and have to take them off the list, than not put them on the list and get stung.

Good luck with this and I do hope something good ends up happening for you.

~NortH~

[ca1n]

Check this link out about pcpro. He is a total loser who wasted my time for days. He is a waste of skin.


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=392680&page=2&highlight=pcpro

[illusive]

http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=49874
Username pcpro

I haven't dealt with him directly, but I've dealt with some people on his heatware list and I would have made the same mistake. I mean there are no red flags.

[_dangtx_]

ive met my share of crapers. 'emt is coming' ..suuuure thing boss...when u say cash is coming you mean it unles youre less than snail crap :)
still,we gotta solve the issue of dude here.

[pcpro]

I wasn't aware that this thread was made but its my time to share my side of the story. I initially made a thread selling an x1950pro 512mb card.

Link to thread: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397200

My last edit made for this thread was February 3rd. I'd like to clear up first of all that at no time did I ever state "Overnight ship". At one point I advertised "FREE SHIPPING" to speed up my sale and under this condition enviro61 purchased the card from me. In regards to my PM regarding Xpresspost to enviro61 I usually try to send via Xpresspost depending on the box size but I had already taken a $120-140 loss on this card which was BNIB and I couldn't see myself scrambling more money to send for the luxury of the buyer at my expense. I have sent packages Regular Parcel on numerous occasions to as far as BC and they have only taken roughly 4-5 days so upon hearing that the package had not arrived from enviro61 I contacted Canada post. I was told that unless tracking was included at an additional cost then unfortunately they will be unable to determine the exact reason as to why a specific parcel has been delayed or has never been received. I am 100% sure as well that the correct address information was written on the package.

Until receiving my most recent PM from enviro61 I had planned to attempt at resolving this issue through Canada post since I had assumed it was their error. Then I receive his PM saying:

You are automatically given a tracking/item number even if by regular post. Unless you put stamps on it and slid it into a red mailbox, they would have given you an item number.

I spoke with Canada Post and they said every regular post parcel is given an item number.

1. If you did not get one then you threw out the receipt that had it on or else you never sent it.

2. To be honest, you are forcing me to bring this to the attention of the rfd community. I think most will agree with me but we can let them decide.

I am a tad pretrubed because:

1. You said you would overnight it in your add and then you opted not to without elling me until after the fact.

2. You claim no item number was given to you.




My response was:

Sure you can bring it to the attention of whoever you'd like. I was given a receipt for the purchase of postage which I did throw out since the ITEM/TRANSACTION number cannot be used to trace a parcels location, I already asked them that and they clearly stated that a tracking number is only given if purchased WITH TRACKING at an additional cost. I have sent regular parcel numerous times and have NEVER faced this situation. Also nowhere in my ad does it say I would ship overnight. You can check the last time i edited my post which was Feb.3rd:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...d.php?t=397200

I stated FREE SHIPPING at one point to speed up the sale process not OVERNIGHT SHIPPING.

Secondly I hesitated from bringing this up because I didn't want to jump the gun but how do I know that you haven't received it and are just saying you didn't? It's entirely possible and I basically screwed myself by not paying additional for tracking but I've always maintained and believed in honest trading and you could very well have the package in your hands as we speak.

If you'd like, I encourage you to bring it to the attention of the RFD community because I really don't know what to do now that you're throwing accusations around. I have maintained a reputation on here and you can check my heatware if you'd like,
Username: RFDPCPRO.

-Thanks.

Upon purchasing the postage it was never underlined to me that tracking was included on regular parcel at no extra charge if it is, and I threw out the receipt. Even when I called Canada Post head office they told me the same so I'm somewhat confused.

Now as much as I'd like to defend my reputation without pointing accusations how do I know that enviro61 doesn't have the package in his possession as we speak? He has 19 posts and 0 heatware. Now I usually don't like to base a traders credibility solely on posting and heat but I'm not on the wrong here and I have a much larger reputation at stake.

[HBP]

It's your word against his.

You're at the wrong here, pcpro, you should have ensured the item had tracking.

[FlintBlade]

I have shipped lots of packages via regular. All of which came with a tracking number for free. I mean come on, even if it wasn't, you couldn't muster up an extra $1.00! lol. I mean really though, every regular post shipment i've made thus far has had a free tracking number.

What you should have done, was sign up for a free business account. You get express for the cost of regular. Since you live like 3-4hours away from Ottawa, it seems really unlikely that he still has not received the package. IF you shipped it, regular would have been guaranteed 3 business days, 4 at most. Not 2weeks plus.

If you shipped it out late due to reasons beyond your control. Now would be the time to admit it. Just so everyone knows it's going to be a little late.

[ca1n]

TO PCpro

In regards to my PM regarding Xpresspost to enviro61 I usually try to send via Xpresspost depending on the box size but I had already taken a $120-140 loss on this card which was BNIB and I couldn't see myself scrambling more money to send for the luxury of the buyer at my expense
You offered overnight shipping and you state how much exp you have trading? So with your exp you decide after the deal is done not to live up to what you agreed. If you don't want to offer the luxury of free shipping or overnight shipping DON'T offer it. Beside what noob idiot send a video card with out keeping the tracking or shipping receipt?



Now as much as I'd like to defend my reputation without pointing accusations how do I know that enviro61 doesn't have the package in his possession as we speak? He has 19 posts and 0 heatware. Now I usually don't like to base a traders credibility solely on posting and heat but I'm not on the wrong here and I have a much larger reputation at stake.

So you brag about your BIG heatware of what?11 heats? not only do you make all the mistakes you point out how much of a noob this guy who bought the card is?I have myself dealt with you and you are a flake. I can just imagine what you look like. You are on the wrong
1 not honouring your overnight shipping. Cheap out on xpress
2 not giving the buyer tracking number right after item is shipped
3 throwing out the receipt
4 treating the buyer as if he did something wrong.

You have wasted my time and now I am sure you ripped this guy off.
give him his money back
Oh yea I remember when you tried buying my card and you were 8$ short.
You are a broke joke.

[_dangtx_]

common sense should say assure that mother if its over a certain value. most of what i ship,lik 99% have at least insurance. expedited has 100$ base insurance ,whether u want or not :p they wil ltake tehre time,but they usually refund you your cash. i sent a package to russia,of course the ystole it over tehre lol.tracking says 'item arived in destination country' c.p. fussed a bit but when you stand your ground they wil lgive i nas its your right t oclaim the insurance over what they have covered.now,its been liek 2 months since i opened the inquiry, and teh ysay it can take up to 3(the 3 months wait are tehre to ensure the uber slow snail mail in toehr countried gets the item to its destination).
now,i dont think itll take that long here in canada..maybe a coupel of weeks, a month?
dan

[Composter]

I wasn't aware that this thread was made but its my time to share my side of the story. I initially made a thread selling an x1950pro 512mb card.

Link to thread: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397200

My last edit made for this thread was February 3rd. I'd like to clear up first of all that at no time did I ever state "Overnight ship". At one point I advertised "FREE SHIPPING" to speed up my sale and under this condition enviro61 purchased the card from me. In regards to my PM regarding Xpresspost to enviro61 I usually try to send via Xpresspost depending on the box size but I had already taken a $120-140 loss on this card which was BNIB and I couldn't see myself scrambling more money to send for the luxury of the buyer at my expense. I have sent packages Regular Parcel on numerous occasions to as far as BC and they have only taken roughly 4-5 days so upon hearing that the package had not arrived from enviro61 I contacted Canada post. I was told that unless tracking was included at an additional cost then unfortunately they will be unable to determine the exact reason as to why a specific parcel has been delayed or has never been received. I am 100% sure as well that the correct address information was written on the package.

Until receiving my most recent PM from enviro61 I had planned to attempt at resolving this issue through Canada post since I had assumed it was their error. Then I receive his PM saying:




My response was:



Upon purchasing the postage it was never underlined to me that tracking was included on regular parcel at no extra charge if it is, and I threw out the receipt. Even when I called Canada Post head office they told me the same so I'm somewhat confused.

Now as much as I'd like to defend my reputation without pointing accusations how do I know that enviro61 doesn't have the package in his possession as we speak? He has 19 posts and 0 heatware. Now I usually don't like to base a traders credibility solely on posting and heat but I'm not on the wrong here and I have a much larger reputation at stake.

By sending this $240+ Video Card in the mail without ANY kind of paper trial for your own protection is just ridiculous. You may have well just wrapped it up and put it on a Park bench with his name on it and hoped he came along and got it!

regardless of the original deal, the method of shipment is solely up to YOU and you are at a loss for not looking after your own best interest.

Did you in fact ship the package?
Did the buyer receive the package?
Are you being scammed?
is the buyer being scammed?

all these questions could have been avoided for ONE DOLLAR!

[_dangtx_]

question is, who do we trust? newbie or cheapie?

[_dangtx_]

wait,i got an idea. cheapie,go to the post office and get a letter from the manager,also if u paid with a cc or bank c u have some proof that u mailed something.

[enviro61]

My feedback ratings:

http://feedback.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=enviro61&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS

http://www.playerauctions.com/feedback/index.cfm?user_id=1019707754


And alot of other positive transactions not accounted for and 2 pos on rfd to date.

I guarantee you if a mod can verify your edits that it can be confirmed you had overnight shipping in there before the final edit.

The point is you claim to have thrown out the receipt??? Why, why would you do this? They even tell you that there is a tracking number on the receipt when they give it to you. Any experienced seller provides a tracking number to the buyer as a courtesy which is common practice.

[freeloader1969]

NEVER throw out a shipping receipt until you've comfirmed with the receiver that the parcel is physically in their possession!

Everyone now receives a tracking number from Canada Post for any parcel!

[vinciman1215]

Christ sake Pcpro, just give this poor man his money back in full, or at LEAST get him some kind of guarantee that his **** is coming...

Put yourself in his shoes for a moment, he blindly sent you a EMT in good heart, trusting you based on the warm-hearted RFD community. If someone trusted you, and the community you represented, wouldn't you want to make sure that this new fellow had a pleasurable experience trading, instead of taking such cruel, cruel advantage??

Dude, I'm not saying that your a fraud atm (although it is in fact starting to look like one), but just remember that if your cheating this poor man, your cheating the RFD community as a whole.

...and trust me buddy, you don't want to do that.

[ca1n]

what is so funny is his reputation is at risk?LOL
11 heatware is not something of value.
the buyer has more online action than you x4
Guess you are the noob pcpro so buck up the cash.

I when pcpro wanted my 8800gtx his biggest concern what that he would get the card "express post" shipped the very next day. So you do know what its like to have needs as a buyer. I did not even offer express post but was throwing it in. YOu offer overnight and retract which leaves you 0 credibilty.
You will get a negative from the buy and I am going to give him the link to my page where you screwed me over to post on his heatware eval. So its your rep that is now tarnished.

[masterc]

Like the others have said, for the extra couple of bucks you could have avoided all this PCPro. As the seller, its not worth the hassle and risk not to ship with some type of tracking.

As far as Enviro's cred, I just completed a deal with him last week and he was a good trader as far as my dealings with him are concerned.

[Noob1ee]

LMAO, obviously this guy is mentally challanged for sending such an expensive package and throwing out the receipt without getting tracking #.

If that's not it, then he's a troll.

[pcpro]

Okay I'd first like to clarify that when I threw out the receipt I didn't physically walk up to the garbage and say oh this is useless to me now. I have tons of receipts lying around and upon clearing up old stuff I hadn't been contacted by enviro61 after so long and was under the assumption that he received the package. Honest mistake. I have dealt with various people in the past who upon receiving items have not bothered to confirm it with me or trade heat or whatever. Sometimes it just slips peoples minds which is what I had assumed. Now I can admit that the tracking issue was my screwup but never at any time was I briefed about it by the post office. So what am I supposed to do? Refund his money in full when he could have the card with him right now? I sincerely am at a loss and its possible that he is as well but I can't exactly be expected to put myself deeper in the whole by losing the card and the money.

Secondly, Ca1n because your irritated about our past transaction doesn't validate posting irrelevant information in this thread. I mean did you notice how you posted about how I backed out on the card and blah blah and no one responded to your post? It was like 2 months ago for one and Secondly you sold it the same day. If your going to post at least make it relevant to solving this issue with enviro61 and myself because that is THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD rather than letting the world know about your hard feelings for me because I could care less. The purpose of this thread is to try and solve this issue not read about some bitter nonsense.

Thirdly, contact mods or whoever is necessary because again at no time did I ever offer OVERNIGHT shipping. FREE SHIPPING does not constitute overnight shipping. Enviro61 either misread my thread or is confusing it with someone else because that is the first thing I'd like to clear up.

[ca1n]

pcpro you are useless.
You should give him his money back because you are the idiot who has no way to prove you even shipped it. But you will not because the simple fact is you have no cash. And at least when I trade I can cover my item's shipped.

And about my thread where you say no one has replied?Are you that much of a noob that you have no idea to see when a thread is locked? I asked the admin to lock the thread so I would not have to deal with you anymore. So that is why no one has responded idiot.

Like I said you are a joke. Sure he might have the video card but seeing as how you have no way to prove you shipped it becuase of a mistake made by you and only you! So I hope you get banned if you do not pay for this mistake.

Waste of skin.
I think no one will ever want to deal with you for the simple reason is that you do not back the items you sell.
You are a bad trader.

[pcpro]

pcpro you are useless.
You should give him his money back because you are the idiot who has no way to prove you even shipped it. But you will not because the simple fact is you have no cash. And at least when I trade I can cover my item's shipped.

And about my thread where you say no one has replied?Are you that much of a noob that you have no idea to see when a thread is locked? I asked the admin to lock the thread so I would not have to deal with you anymore. So that is why no one has responded idiot.

Like I said you are a joke. Sure he might have the video card but seeing as how you have no way to prove you shipped it becuase of a mistake made by you and only you! So I hope you get banned if you do not pay for this mistake.

Waste of skin.
I think no one will ever want to deal with you for the simple reason is that you do not back the items you sell.
You are a bad trader.

You are by far the most unintelligent trader on this board not to mention that you maintain the literacy of an A+ grade three student. Congrats! Re-read my post then read the nonsense you just posted and get back to me.

-Thanks.

[NuSpeed]

ok, ca1n... Name calling wont exactly help enviro61 or pcpro solve the situation. This thread was made to aid advice to both users, and flag a heads up to all users. Argueing wont solve it. Lets try and Help enviro61 and Pcpro get this sorted out, thats what the thread is for. Lets keep this thread clean.

[ca1n]

Heatware
Username 211k1dd
Location Vancouver, British Columbia
Total Evals 130
Positive Evals 129
Neutral Evals 1
Negative Evals 0
Last Eval Date 2-13-2007

I admit I do not write or spell like a university graduate! At least I am not a liar and a cheat. You have proven to be both all by yourself.
This is not about how one's spells its about being a bad trader so please stay on topic.
You want to compare dick sizes or account balances?Oh yea you can afford 8$ for express post shipping for me or the buyer in this thread.
I am done with this thread and I am just living proof that you are as of a waste of time 2 weeks ago as you are now.
DO NOT DEAL WITH HIM EVEN THOUGH HE HAS 11 Heatware.

[pcpro]

Heatware
Username 211k1dd
Location Vancouver, British Columbia
Total Evals 130
Positive Evals 129
Neutral Evals 1
Negative Evals 0
Last Eval Date 2-13-2007

I admit I do not write or spell like a university graduate! At least I am not a liar and a cheat. You have proven to be both all by yourself.
This is not about how one's spells its about being a bad trader so please stay on topic.
You want to compare dick sizes or account balances?Oh yea you can afford 8$ for express post shipping for me or the buyer in this thread.
I am done with this thread and I am just living proof that you are as of a waste of time 2 weeks ago as you are now.
DO NOT DEAL WITH HIM EVEN THOUGH HE HAS 11 Heatware.

This thread isn't about you nor was it ever which is why I still don't understand why your posting your life's story in here. Enviro61 and I are trying to resolve an issue but your irrelevant and off topic in every post and just saying how im a cheap a-s-s and blah blah alright man good for you baller not every drops like 10g's on a system every month. I'd like to resolve the issue with the user I made the transaction with not some baby who has hard feelings from 2 months ago.

[mcg]

This thread isn't about you nor was it ever which is why I still don't understand why your posting your life's story in here. Enviro61 and I are trying to resolve an issue but your irrelevant and off topic in every post and just saying how im a cheap a-s-s and blah blah alright man good for you baller not every drops like 10g's on a system every month. I'd like to resolve the issue with the user I made the transaction with not some baby who has hard feelings from 2 months ago.

Hahaha nice. Don't dwell on the past, I suppose.

But I do have to admit, feedback is like a criminal record - once you stain it, it's going to be hard to regain trust from people here on the BST forums.

[Toasterdude]

To be fair not all postal workers circle the tracking number/tell you there is a tracking number (happened to me once). However it was pcpro's mistake and I do believe he should refund the OP. Enviro61 should not have to pay for pcpro's mistake. Even if Enviro has the item (which I doubt he does), the first mistake was made by the seller and I believe the seller should take the loss/responsibility to fix the situation (contacting Canada Post w/out a tracking number does not count).

I apologize if my grammar sucks or if I'm not making any sense... its late and I'm tired as h3ll.

Toaster

[_dangtx_]

if u open up an inquiry and they talk with the mailman who worked in that area that day its possible he or she can remmeber soemthing?

[enviro61]

Okay I'd first like to clarify that when I threw out the receipt I didn't physically walk up to the garbage and say oh this is useless to me now. I have tons of receipts lying around and upon clearing up old stuff I hadn't been contacted by enviro61 after so long and was under the assumption that he received the package. Honest mistake. I have dealt with various people in the past who upon receiving items have not bothered to confirm it with me or trade heat or whatever. Sometimes it just slips peoples minds which is what I had assumed. Now I can admit that the tracking issue was my screwup but never at any time was I briefed about it by the post office. So what am I supposed to do? Refund his money in full when he could have the card with him right now? I sincerely am at a loss and its possible that he is as well but I can't exactly be expected to put myself deeper in the whole by losing the card and the money.

Secondly, Ca1n because your irritated about our past transaction doesn't validate posting irrelevant information in this thread. I mean did you notice how you posted about how I backed out on the card and blah blah and no one responded to your post? It was like 2 months ago for one and Secondly you sold it the same day. If your going to post at least make it relevant to solving this issue with enviro61 and myself because that is THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD rather than letting the world know about your hard feelings for me because I could care less. The purpose of this thread is to try and solve this issue not read about some bitter nonsense.

Thirdly, contact mods or whoever is necessary because again at no time did I ever offer OVERNIGHT shipping. FREE SHIPPING does not constitute overnight shipping. Enviro61 either misread my thread or is confusing it with someone else because that is the first thing I'd like to clear up.

The overnight issue is moot. Anyway, the quick and short. I am guessing that in all likelihood if the item number is still in the system, then they can track it from the local outlet where you brought it.

I would suggest going in there as they obviously have some record of it in their system and if you are kind enough and persistent enough, an employee will do what they can to find the item number. I can not run around asking for answers here when I do not know at which end the problem resides. I did what I could and went to the local outlet where my parcels go and asked them to check the backroom to no avail. I really can not go around and ask all of my neighbours if they saw a package lying around last week when I do not even know if it made it to Ottawa.

I do not want to play lawyer but you can not argue that you threw the receipt out because it took me a week to let you know it had not arrived when in the previous message you stated you had no idea item numbers were even on the receipt anyway.You can't claim you are struggling for cash and down to your last dollar (I have been there so not passing judgement) and in the next breath claim to have a ton of receipts lying all over the place. Stuff like that does not add up to the thinking man.

Anyway...to the point; if it arrives this week I will let everyone know and I'll quickly forgive the error of discarding the receipt. If it does not, then I will leave a negative feedback, lick my wounds and purchase a bigger and meaner graphics card. You can tell from my ebay feedback and other places that I go through some fairly expensive items. I am not strapped financially (student days are long over) and have no need to rip someone off and argue over $240. Mind you, I do not like buring money into thin air either.

In the end, I don't need the aggravation; so I will trust that you will do everything you can and after this week, if it still has not arrived I will move on and get a new one.


Jay

[pcpro]

The overnight issue is moot. Anyway, the quick and short. I am guessing that in all likelihood if the item number is still in the system, then they can track it from the local outlet where you brought it.

I would suggest going in there as they obviously have some record of it in their system and if you are kind enough and persistent enough, an employee will do what they can to find the item number. I can not run around asking for answers here when I do not know at which end the problem resides. I did what I could and went to the local outlet where my parcels go and asked them to check the backroom to no avail. I really can not go around and ask all of my neighbours if they saw a package lying around last week when I do not even know if it made it to Ottawa.

I do not want to play lawyer but you can not argue that you threw the receipt out because it took me a week to let you know it had not arrived when in the previous message you stated you had no idea item numbers were even on the receipt anyway.You can't claim you are struggling for cash and down to your last dollar (I have been there so not passing judgement) and in the next breath claim to have a ton of receipts lying all over the place. Stuff like that does not add up to the thinking man.

Anyway...to the point; if it arrives this week I will let everyone know and I'll quickly forgive the error of discarding the receipt. If it does not, then I will leave a negative feedback, lick my wounds and purchase a bigger and meaner graphics card. You can tell from my ebay feedback and other places that I go through some fairly expensive items. I am not strapped financially (student days are long over) and have no need to rip someone off and argue over $240. Mind you, I do not like buring money into thin air either.

In the end, I don't need the aggravation; so I will trust that you will do everything you can and after this week, if it still has not arrived I will move on and get a new one.


Jay

Well the receipts issue was purchases for my old system, old tuition payments, books, etc. I understand I may sound like the world's biggest cheap a-s-s for not opting additional cash for tracking (well I didn't know it was free or I'd have the receipt with me right now) but I am a student and when I say my budgets tight I mean it. I just didn't appreciate being degraded by pricks like ca1n. If it does arrive be sure to let me know. As the post office is concerned, I'm going to head out there today and see if I can gather any information regarding the parcel.

[rubberband]

I'm a bit surprised by some of the posts here.

The open communication in the thread suggests that both parties did try and hold up the deal, and if anyone screwed up, it's Canada Post. The offensive comments are not helpful in this type of thread, and have been reported to the moderators. Complain about a past seller to warn people, yes. Personal attacks however = ban. Read the rules.

To people bashing pcpro: He can ship his stuff any way he pleases.

Parcel post normally works fine. Usually 4-5 days. Sometimes though, things can get held up, and delays happen. Canada post once took 4 weeks to get a small box of parts from Ottawa to Hamilton for me, because they basically just lost it. Another time, RAM I sold came back to me 3 weeks later because the post office screwed up, and stamped the padded envelope w/ $0.03 too little postage so it was returned.

There are dozens of reasons that a parcel can be delayed, and the ONLY thing a tracking number on regular mail can do is tell the recipient that it did in fact get sent originally.. nothing more. PERIOD.

Be patient. The card will arrive eventually.

[pcpro]

^^^thanks a lot man I appreciate the support. I really just hope the package arrives as soon as possible because It's out of my hands. I wish I could do something about it because I feel really bad and look like a complete jerk.

[ca1n]

but I am a student and when I say my budgets tight I mean it. I just didn't appreciate being degraded by pricks like ca1n. If it does arrive be sure to let me know. As the post office is concerned, I'm going to head out there today and see if I can gather any information regarding the parcel.

Sorry but tight budget and you buying a 8800gtx just prove my point exactly.
A tight budget and a 7800gtx would be allot more believable.

To rubber band

rummber band wrote
To people bashing pcpro: He can ship his stuff any way he pleases.
No rubber band he must ship the method agreed upon!

rummber band wrote

There are dozens of reasons that a parcel can be delayed, and the ONLY thing a tracking number on regular mail can do is tell the recipient that it did in fact get sent originally.. nothing more. PERIOD.

At this moment there would be no ISSUE rubber band if there was PROOF the card was sent. So if the recipient had tracking it there would be no issue. PERIOD

[buffet boy]

Anyway...to the point; if it arrives this week I will let everyone know and I'll quickly forgive the error of discarding the receipt. If it does not, then I will leave a negative feedback, lick my wounds and purchase a bigger and meaner graphics card.


I think HKPolice has an 8800GTX for sale for $600...he's one of the first guys I ever received anything shipped from and it was right on time too

[mcg]

Actually, this incident happened to me too... I shipped off my Nokia N73 to someone in McMaster University w/ signature XPOST and it somehow ended up in Stoney Creek, which is the other side of Hamilton. It eventually got to the buyer, but in 4 days rather than the guaranteed 1 within Canada. Heck, the destination is even in the same province.

I called CP and they said one of their sortation plants had it, since the signature was not the buyer's but I suppose one of the employees there. At least it eventually got shipped... otherwise I'd be out a ton of $.

[pcpro]

Sorry but tight budget and you buying a 8800gtx just prove my point exactly.
A tight budget and a 7800gtx would be allot more believable.

To rubber band

rummber band wrote
To people bashing pcpro: He can ship his stuff any way he pleases.
No rubber band he must ship the method agreed upon!

rummber band wrote

There are dozens of reasons that a parcel can be delayed, and the ONLY thing a tracking number on regular mail can do is tell the recipient that it did in fact get sent originally.. nothing more. PERIOD.

At this moment there would be no ISSUE rubber band if there was PROOF the card was sent. So if the recipient had tracking it there would be no issue. PERIOD

I thought you said you weren't posting in here and your done with this thread? Just goes to show that your life revolves around putting yourself in business that doesn't concern you.

#1 I don't need to explain myself to you. Is it your concern whether I have a 9800 pro or a 8800gtx? I used money from Christmas and vacation pay from work to buy it. That was around 2 months ago to begin with and a new semester has started hence no money. This is the last time I respond to one of your idiotic posts. You seem to have some sort of obsession with details of my life do you wanna know when I take a dump, or shave or brush my teeth to?

#2 Again for the very LAST TIME. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with you. I'm trying to resolve the situation with enviro61 and I'm sick of responding to your stupid posts. If your going to post I'd appreciate if it was relevant let alone helpful to resolving the situation. This isn't an interrogation it's a conflict and enviro61 and I are working on resolving it.

No rubber band he must ship the method agreed upon!

#3. Clearly rubberband knows how to read unlike some people. Never at any given time did I offer OVERNIGHT SHIPPING and I'm going to state this for the last time. I offered FREE SHIPPING which is probably the reason for rubberband's comment. Clearly you misread the 4 or 5 times I posted this. The dealing with Expresspost was never at any time an agreement between enviro61 and myself but I usually try to send using this method if I can manage the cost which I was unable to since I had taken a large loss on this card's value as it is which is the reasoning for my apologetic pm to him.

Any other question's I have to re-answer for the 100th time sherlock?

[ca1n]

Mr university student please read the header of this post.

What is acceptable?

Pcpro I have every right to follow and contribute to this thread as the thread asks redflagmembers for their opinion and help solving this problem that you have presented.

Why I have even more reason to post in this thread is because I have first hand exp with you lying to me and wasting my time and then freaking out on me and calling me name's because I told you how much you were an inconvenience for 2 days.

So can I ask you if the card you shipped 2 weeks ago has made it the great distance to the buyers home?
That should be your only concern.

And to pcpro I am sorry that I got so upset that I called you names.It just really bothers me to see ppl in my trading community getting cheated in anyway!But its no excuse for me to lash out and call you an idiot or waste of skin.

If this card does not show up and pcpro does not give you a refund I will put up 50$ to help out a trader that got ripped off.
If it does show up I bet pcpro learned a valuable lesson on tracking and how important it is. Lets face it allot of ppl will learn from your mistakes.

;)

Oh and proof of the card not showing up will be a negative on pcpro's heatware before I emt the 50$

[enviro61]

Mr university student please read the header of this post.

What is acceptable?

Pcpro I have every right to follow and contribute to this thread as the thread asks redflagmembers for their opinion and help solving this problem that you have presented.

Why I have even more reason to post in this thread is because I have first hand exp with you lying to me and wasting my time and then freaking out on me and calling me name's because I told you how much you were an inconvenience for 2 days.

So can I ask you if the card you shipped 2 weeks ago has made it the great distance to the buyers home?
That should be your only concern.

And to pcpro I am sorry that I got so upset that I called you names.It just really bothers me to see ppl in my trading community getting cheated in anyway!But its no excuse for me to lash out and call you an idiot or waste of skin.

If this card does not show up and pcpro does not give you a refund I will put up 50$ to help out a trader that got ripped off.
If it does show up I bet pcpro learned a valuable lesson on tracking and how important it is. Lets face it allot of ppl will learn from your mistakes.

;)

Oh and proof of the card not showing up will be a negative on pcpro's heatware before I emt the 50$



Honestly, I won't accept a refund from anyone. I have never left a negative and if the time ever comes when I do, I want to be sure that there is no doubt that I did not receive the item.

If I ever receive the item then I would leave a neutral, something else I have never done.

Either or I will wait paitently. Problem is I activated my Sigil- Vanguard Saga of Heroes account a week ago in anticipation of the new card and trying to play it with my x700 just isn't cutting it.

I have had mail lost before, even as recent as last year for 5 months before it finally was returned to sender last month. It was a very important letter that should have been expressed post and instead my mother threw some stamps on it. It was a mistake then and sadly I am reliving it now :(

Who knows maybe I will wind up with 2 cards or maybe just 1. In the end I will keep on trading as sometimes you win and sometimes you lose...

[_dangtx_]

i think ppl will understand : "whoever leaves Pcpro a negative will receive 50 bucks" . my god tomorrow well see cheapie with -500 :D

[vinciman1215]

:arrowu: lol

[ca1n]

i think ppl will understand : "whoever leaves Pcpro a negative will receive 50 bucks" . my god tomorrow well see cheapie with -500 :D

Its only enviro61 that will get 50$ I guess I am helping out a victim recover a few$ The only reason why I am offering this for enviro61 is because I had dealt with the seller. For lack of ownership for what happened I think a negative is what should be given even if the card arrives.
That just my opinion.
:D

[ca1n]

This is a very interesting post by the accused pcpro and how he made a thread about someone who never ripped him off but just wasted his time.
How many times can one get caught lying and contradicting himself is beyond me but he has the gold medal here.
Just shows how he feels when someone wastes his time.

Man the ammo you supply is enough to take out you and all your friends.
Below is the quote and the link to that post.
And just for the record having 11 heat does not make you an established trader. Ca1n shakes his head

Pcpro wrote:
Either way theres a possibility that he's a scammer or just a time waster and both bring me to the same conclusion, BAD TRADERRR... I really didnt want to or plan on making this thread but that really ticked me off. I've been struggling to scramble money for gifts and 150 dollars has been out of my hands for almost a week, i've received nothing and now im being notified about it.

I'm definetly going to be more picky about who I deal with these days but just giving everyone a heads up incase he happens to be a scammer. Seems pretty suspicious to me cuz a friend of mine dealt with someone very similar to this situation who did in fact turn out to be a scammer...

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381645

Everyone will be picky before they deal with you bro.

[canadiankorean]

Since 2006... so things may have changed...
I've shipped quite a few things via Canadapost and as far as I know... regular parcel does not have a tracking number.
It does have an item number but Canadapost will not trace the item for you with that number.

I sent shipped something to an ebay winner.
he insisted on the cheapest shipping (so no tracking number).
I shipped it out and almost immediately after I emailed him saying I shipped it out, he disputed his payment and got his money back...
I didn't have a tracking number, but I did have an item number.
I called Canadapost to stop the shipment.
They said they can't (or was it won't) trace it with the item number once it leaves the post office.

So unless they changed something recently, I don't think Canadapost gives a tracking number with regular parcel...

[enviro61]

Since 2006... so things may have changed...
I've shipped quite a few things via Canadapost and as far as I know... regular parcel does not have a tracking number.
It does have an item number but Canadapost will not trace the item for you with that number.

I sent shipped something to an ebay winner.
he insisted on the cheapest shipping (so no tracking number).
I shipped it out and almost immediately after I emailed him saying I shipped it out, he disputed his payment and got his money back...
I didn't have a tracking number, but I did have an item number.
I called Canadapost to stop the shipment.
They said they can't (or was it won't) trace it with the item number once it leaves the post office.

So unless they changed something recently, I don't think Canadapost gives a tracking number with regular parcel...



2 What Is Regular Parcel?

Regular Parcel is a Parcel Service that provides delivery within 2 business days local, 3 to 5 business days regional, and 4 to 9 business days national, between most major urban centres.

Customers can ship any item by Regular Parcel, provided the item:

meets the size and weight specifications for this service
is properly prepared and packaged
does not contain any prohibited mail or a dangerous good.
Regular Parcel must be shipped in Canada for delivery in Canada.


8.1 Delivery Confirmation (Tracking)

This feature provides positive confirmation that the item arrived at its destination. Upon delivery, or attempted delivery, the item ID (identification) number is scanned and the date captured. The information should be available by noon the next business day following delivery via the Electronic Shipping Tools (EST) software, the Internet, or through an automated phone response system by calling 1-888-550-6333.


Now, the item # can be used for tracking as I spoke with a couple of different reps at CP (give them a call yourself to confirm). I think they do not want to advertise it, as they want people to fork out the extra dollar or two for guaranteed and advertised tracking. I was very specific in my questions with them and they said that absolutely an item number can be used to track a parcel, even one that is sent regular post.

As for myself, I have never sent an expensive item without guaranteeing that there is tracking involved. Me personally, I can not phathom doing that as it leaves too much of a margin for error or problems. You have to cover your ass and the buyers. And truthfully, the difference in cost is so minimal that it makes no sense.

Basically the moto of the seller should be, treat the buyer as you would want to be treated. Wrap that package amazingly well and guarantee delivery with a tracking number. I usually try to provide more than they expected, that way everyone is happy and all asses are covered.

Guaranteed 3-5 day shipping also means that the item is not bouncing around too many trucks and being handled mroe than it need be. I always try to minimize the amount of handling if possible on expensive and or somewhat delicate items.

In this case, I feel totally lost as I stated previously; I have no idea where the mistake occured and where to begin looking. I went to the source and to the final handler. Beyond that, I can not think of anything else. Hey, maybe my girlfriend confiscated it so I would get off the damn computer. J/king on that one btw.

[Composter]

we had an incident about a lengthy parcel time right here in Thunder Bay.

it took 18 years to get a package sent and believe it or not it was delivered.

[7jaii]

All post office locations have Surveillance Cameras pointed at the door & cash register. pcpro can visit his location and remind the manager that day he shipped your card. If the employee doesn't remember they can pull the tapes -- why do this?

1. pcpro can ask his local post office to exonerate him
2. Canada Post can close this trouble ticket
3. pcpro can still prove he shipped your card. If he's unwilling to take 15 Minutes to talk to his post office then you should receive a full refund.

Dude, don't let anyone off the hook if it's $300 or $30. You can live with the loss but that scammer will return to rip off RFDers again (I'm not calling pcpro a scammer). This way you receive your money or an official letter from Canada Post (or employee).

[enviro61]

All post office locations have Surveillance Cameras pointed at the door & cash register. pcpro can visit his location and remind the manager that day he shipped your card. If the employee doesn't remember they can pull the tapes -- why do this?

1. pcpro can ask his local post office to exonerate him
2. Canada Post can close this trouble ticket
3. pcpro can still prove he shipped your card. If he's unwilling to take 15 Minutes to talk to his post office then you should receive a full refund.

Dude, don't let anyone off the hook if it's $300 or $30. You can live with the loss but that scammer will return to rip off RFDers again (I'm not calling pcpro a scammer). This way you receive your money or an official letter from Canada Post (or employee).


To be honest, I am fairly certain more can be done. PCpro, what happened when you went to the postal outlet yesterday?

What was the nature of the conversation? What information did you share with them to see if they could locate the parcel in their database? For some reason my local outlet does not even ask me for the item #, they just ask me for my address to see if anything has arrived for me.

Did you give them your address and or mine. I would presume that it is attached with the item number and can be filtered in a search.

Having read some of the threads re. pcpro, I can see why he may have been hesitant in dealing with me as a noobie and having to have my girlfriend emt the cash as Presidents Choice (my bank) does not handle emt's. Maybe he wanted to hold onto it for a few days or a week or worse. Maybe he got a better local offer, I do not know.

Maybe he did send it when he said and did exactly as he stated and it is simply somewhere out there. I am curious what the post office said to him yesterday. I have not had any pm's with him over the past few days so the only info I get is the same info you are seeing. Your updates are my updates...

[helphelp911]

All post office locations have Surveillance Cameras pointed at the door & cash register. pcpro can visit his location and remind the manager that day he shipped your card. If the employee doesn't remember they can pull the tapes -- why do this?

1. pcpro can ask his local post office to exonerate him
2. Canada Post can close this trouble ticket
3. pcpro can still prove he shipped your card. If he's unwilling to take 15 Minutes to talk to his post office then you should receive a full refund.

Dude, don't let anyone off the hook if it's $300 or $30. You can live with the loss but that scammer will return to rip off RFDers again (I'm not calling pcpro a scammer). This way you receive your money or an official letter from Canada Post (or employee).

i agree with 7jail.

To, pcpro
that is not make scene after 14days there is no proof from you that you have shipped the card. you just keep "SAYING" that the card had been shipped and blah blah blah. talking is cheap and just show us some proof. That's all you have to do. Plus, you have already rip off that guy about shipping! You should do what you said and make it next day shipping!

[_dangtx_]

Since 2006... so things may have changed...
I've shipped quite a few things via Canadapost and as far as I know... regular parcel does not have a tracking number.
It does have an item number but Canadapost will not trace the item for you with that number.

I sent shipped something to an ebay winner.
he insisted on the cheapest shipping (so no tracking number).
I shipped it out and almost immediately after I emailed him saying I shipped it out, he disputed his payment and got his money back...
I didn't have a tracking number, but I did have an item number.
I called Canadapost to stop the shipment.
They said they can't (or was it won't) trace it with the item number once it leaves the post office.

So unless they changed something recently, I don't think Canadapost gives a tracking number with regular parcel...

had that happen, thats why i dont trade with loosers.

[_dangtx_]

All post office locations have Surveillance Cameras pointed at the door & cash register. pcpro can visit his location and remind the manager that day he shipped your card. If the employee doesn't remember they can pull the tapes -- why do this?

1. pcpro can ask his local post office to exonerate him
2. Canada Post can close this trouble ticket
3. pcpro can still prove he shipped your card. If he's unwilling to take 15 Minutes to talk to his post office then you should receive a full refund.

Dude, don't let anyone off the hook if it's $300 or $30. You can live with the loss but that scammer will return to rip off RFDers again (I'm not calling pcpro a scammer). This way you receive your money or an official letter from Canada Post (or employee).

indeed.if he doesnt want to do it then there is a fishy issue :)

[enviro61]

indeed.if he doesnt want to do it then there is a fishy issue :)

I had a guy on ebay once not send an item after he said he had. I eventually got him to admit the truth. He had so many whacked excuses that it didn't add up. He was just a paranoid guy who thought I might scam him so he wanted to make sure his payment cleared from paypal for 30 days or whatever it is before he sent it.

I was able to reverse it through paypal and just walk away with minimal harm done. EMT is a scary beast because there is no way for me to reverse it. There is no dispute process that I am aware of.

[_dangtx_]

I had a guy on ebay once not send an item after he said he had. I eventually got him to admit the truth. He had so many whacked excuses that it didn't add up. He was just a paranoid guy who thought I might scam him so he wanted to make sure his payment cleared from paypal for 30 days or whatever it is before he sent it.

I was able to reverse it through paypal and just walk away with minimal harm done. EMT is a scary beast because there is no way for me to reverse it. There is no dispute process that I am aware of.

emt is proof that it went to him/her. calling police doesnt hurt you know :) print it out and go to the station if u have to. had some idiot do the scam on me once, some time ago,when canada post's website was less than working. a quick trip to the station solved it.trust me,scammer or big tiem sscammer,they dont want police down there necks :)
dan

[enviro61]

emt is proof that it went to him/her. calling police doesnt hurt you know :) print it out and go to the station if u have to. had some idiot do the scam on me once, some time ago,when canada post's website was less than working. a quick trip to the station solved it.trust me,scammer or big tiem sscammer,they dont want police down there necks :)
dan

Yeah I should have mentioned it to my cop friend who came by the office today to sign my passport info as a guarantor. Didn't even think about it to be honest.

I think pcpro will come clean, I have faith !!!

I think he held on to it for awhile as I am/was a noobie and he had no exposure to my online feedback in other venues. I think he is pretty hesitant as most are of dealing with noobies and rightfully so. That is why I gave him my phone number and I try and send emails from my work so people can see my government email and work address, name, title etc. That way, I look very legit, which I am :)

[_dangtx_]

good.

[memyselfandi]

I haven't been to RFD in awhile, I thought I'd come check out what kind of deals are going around these days... This thread caught my attention because something similar happened to me in the past. This is how I resolved it.

To both the buyer and seller, call CP, tell them your problem, then ask to check in their system for a package that was sent from PcPro's postal code to Enviro61's postal code on the date the package was supposedly shipped. It should be in their system and you wouldn't need an item number or tracking number to do it this way.

If nothing shows up, that means the package was never sent, if something does show up, they'll be able to tell you exactly where it is right now.

In my case, the package was lost but later found, I recieved my item a couple weeks late but at least neither me nor the seller lost anything in the process.

Best of luck resolving this issue.

[enviro61]

I haven't been to RFD in awhile, I though I'd come check out what kind of deals are going around these days... This thread caught my attention because something similar happened to me in the past. This is how I resolved it.

To both the buyer and seller, call CP, tell them your problem, then ask to check in their system for a package that was sent from PcPro's postal code to Enviro61's postal code on the date the package was supposedly shipped. It should be in their system and you wouldn't need an item number or tracking number to do it this way.

If nothing shows up, that means the package was never sent, if something does show up, they'll be able to tell you exactly where it is right now.

In my case, the package was lost but later found, I recieved my item a couple weeks late but at least neither me nor the seller lost anything in the process.

Best of luck resolving this issue.


I have no qualms about putting my postal code up there. K1N 8L3. If he is willing to do the same and actually show me that he is putting effort into finding out where the parcel went then I would have some assurance.

I have not communicated with him the past couple of days.

He said he sent it Feb 06th (purchased Feb. 02). It apparently came from some Postal outlet in Pickering is my guess but he has not communicated that.

So from Pickering Ontario by the name of Andre Tavares to Ottawa, Ontario for Jay Violini at K1N 8L3.

[enviro61]

Well due to some resourceful friends I was able to contact Andre and discuss the transaction.

The conversation took place at 12:30pm today. Andre promised me that he would go by the Post Office today with mine and his information to see if he could get a location on the item.

He has made a committment to trying to resolve this to clear his name and ensure that the package arrives to me. I informed him of the progress on the thread and he recognizes the importance of clearing his name in this.

As well, I mentioned the use of 2 addresses as a cross reference for tracking purposes. If you find a helpful employee who is ready to go the extra mile, I am confident that we can locate the parcel and get a better explanation from Canada Post.

I hate playing the blame game but without any info it's hard to not assume the worst.


ps Andre: I don't think your wireless provider dings you for long distance charges (unless York Uni is outside of your area) when someone calls you from another zone (ie. Ottawa). Only the caller gets dinged with a long distance charge and there is no roamer charge to anyone if we are both inside our established area.

[memyselfandi]

Well due to some resourceful friends I was able to contact Andre and discuss the transaction.

The conversation took place at 12:30pm today. Andre promised me that he would go by the Post Office today with mine and his information to see if he could get a location on the item.

He has made a committment to trying to resolve this to clear his name and ensure that the package arrives to me. I informed him of the progress on the thread and he recognizes the importance of clearing his name in this.

As well, I mentioned the use of 2 address as a cross reference for tracking purposes. If you find a helpful employee who is ready to go the extra mile, I am confident that we can locate the parcel and get a better explanation from Canada Post.

I hate playing the blame game but without any info it hard to not assume the worst.


My suggestion to you is doing the same thing, get his postal code or full address as well and call or visit CP with that information and follow the steps I mentioned... It never hurts to double check yourself.

Good luck.

[enviro61]

My suggestion to you is doing the same thing, get his postal code or full address as well and call or visit CP with that information and follow the steps I mentioned... It never hurts to double check yourself.

Good luck.

Yes, I want to allow him the opportunity to respond to this thread and share his full information on his own terms as a gesture of good will before I have to ask for it or have others dig it up.

The ball is in his court to take the next step in resolving this issue and in the process clearing his name.

[pcpro]

All post office locations have Surveillance Cameras pointed at the door & cash register. pcpro can visit his location and remind the manager that day he shipped your card. If the employee doesn't remember they can pull the tapes -- why do this?

1. pcpro can ask his local post office to exonerate him
2. Canada Post can close this trouble ticket
3. pcpro can still prove he shipped your card. If he's unwilling to take 15 Minutes to talk to his post office then you should receive a full refund.

Dude, don't let anyone off the hook if it's $300 or $30. You can live with the loss but that scammer will return to rip off RFDers again (I'm not calling pcpro a scammer). This way you receive your money or an official letter from Canada Post (or employee).

You want me to go to Canada Post and ask them to pull surveillance videos from the beginning of the month, go through them till they find the portion where I enter the outlet and purchase shipping for the parcel and do what? Ask them to make me a copy and post it on youtube? I can almost guarantee you that your suggestion is HIGHLY unrealistic for one I'm not a police officer with a warrant for information where I can request surveillance videos and ask them to sit in the back and watch a full days footage of video.

Pm to Jay this evening regarding trip to Canada Post:

Hey how's it going. No one is stalling or avoiding you. Sorry I missed your call I was downstairs. My apologies for not speaking with you longer on the phone but I was in class and I'm on Pay as you Go. I went to the post office to find out whether it is possible to see if my transaction information was still in the system and find out what you had suggested regarding postal codes. The storefront employee didn't really know much so she said to speak with her manager when he is in between 8am and 4pm tomorrow. I am going to return to the post office first thing tomorrow morning before I head to school. Also my most convenient form of communication if you need to get in touch with me and I'm unavailable or inactive on RFD is via my gmail address which you have. Please feel free to contact me if necessary through this method since my cell phone isn't much of a convenience with prepaid minutes. I'll PM or email you once as I arrive to school tomorrow and have access to a computer.

I will also post my update in the thread so everyone can be informed about the status of this conflict.

[ca1n]

Here is why you have tracking!
so the buyer can sit and watch his parcel.
So that when a postal worker check's out the package with no insurance or tracking he know he can steal it and he has a better chance of not getting caught for it.
Notice how quick the package came from across the country.
I really liked his thread on time wasters !!
I have never seen anyone dig themselves so deep on their own.


Service Type: Express Mail - Post Office to Addressee

Shipment Activity Location Date & Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Delivered Abroad CANADA 02/20/07 11:02am

At Foreign Delivery CANADA 02/20/07 7:29am
Unit

Out of Foreign Customs CANADA 02/17/07 7:41am

Into Foreign Customs CANADA 02/16/07 1:53pm

Arrived Abroad CANADA 02/16/07 1:53pm

International Dispatch Chicago (O'Hare) AMC 02/11/07 5:22pm

Enroute CHICAGO IL 60666 02/11/07 5:20pm

Enroute HAZELWOOD MO 63042 02/09/07 8:35pm

Enroute COLUMBIA MO 65299 02/09/07 5:25pm

Acceptance MOBERLY MO 65270 02/09/07 2:26pm

[enviro61]

I do not know exactly what you did but it had to be pretty bad with all of the delay tactics being deployed.

FYI there is a CPost number and it is 1-800-267-1177. You could have called them days ago but chose not to.

Share with me your postal code so I can double check.

Either or my girlfriend is taking steps outside of RFD to resolve this. I really think you do not understand the potential ramifications of your actions. For $240 you are risking an investigation into your activities that could jeopardize your entire future (you do not want to put at risk your ability to obtain a security clearance later on in life, TRUST ME). I can not believe how nonchalant you are about this. You must think I am kidding around or will fade away. RFD should be the least of your concerns.

You are one crazy mofo who is dangling very close to the edge. I worked as a military Intelligence Officer for a couple of yrs before becoming an analyst in the government and I am telling you, security clearance of any lvl is so vital when seeking employment in Canada. You might as well drop out of University as a degree will mean nothing if you do not have a pristine record.

The hole just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

[_dangtx_]

so whats up?

[enviro61]

so whats up?

I was not waiting for him to respond today because I knew he would'nt.

Girlfriend and I called the bank to get all of our papers together to show we paid and he received the emt. I have printed out all correspondance via rfd as well.

We now go to Police Office fraud department and proceed with a mail fraud claim. Once the ball starts rolling, I can not do a thing to stop it. Andre will be investigated and you can draw your own conclusions after that.

I have contacted the moderators here for any information they have and I will have the local authorities contact RFD to gather all personal info on him.

His name is Andre Tavares and he attends York University. He is in 2nd year and roughly 20yrs old or so. I have his cell number which I do not want to post yet and he resides in Pickering Ontario.

I would say the kid has bit off a tad more than he can chew and will have a hell of a time wiggling his way out of this one. The burden of proof is upon him and if the facts do not add up with all of the changes within his numerous stories, the outlook is grim.

If any of you know more information as his personal information please forward it to me and I will pass it on the the authorities.

[canadiankorean]

pcpro, you can get your shipping cost reimbursed from canadapost since it is taking way too long to deliver.
if you did ship the item...

i mailed something via xpresspost and it took 3 days instead of 1.. and i submitted a reimbursement and i got my shipping fees paid back as a cheque.

[enviro61]

pcpro, you can get your shipping cost reimbursed from canadapost since it is taking way too long to deliver.
if you did ship the item...

i mailed something via xpresspost and it took 3 days instead of 1.. and i submitted a reimbursement and i got my shipping fees paid back as a cheque.

I would say that is the least of his worries.

[mikescool]

dude if you shipped it with canadapost and they haven't delivered get it back from them n refund the money... end of story. wow

[_dangtx_]

dude if you shipped it with canadapost and they haven't delivered get it back from them n refund the money... end of story. wow

even if he did ship it then without a receipt no refund.

[FlintBlade]

Wow, I thought pcpro was a good guy. Figured this would have been resolved by now. I walked my butt down to the post office and talking with the clerk when my parcal didn't arrive on the date it was scheduled to. I shipped it on Monday, was told it would be there on Tuesday. Walked down to the post office on Thursday and got it sorted out. Apparently canadapost was closed on Tuesday/Wednesday. So I guess thats understandable. I'm going to get a shipping reimbursement, they told me they would put the parcal on priority and have it sent there by Thursday. The guy didn't get it till Friday. I want my $7 back :P.

[vinciman1215]

Wow, I thought pcpro was a good guy. Figured this would have been resolved by now...

I always thought something was abit fishy. But alas, think everything will be resolving itself soon, heh.

I'd really like to see how PcPro responds now...If he ever does...

[pcpro]

I infact did go to the post office and they told me straight up they dont keep information that detailed regarding simple postage transactions. I havent had access to internet until now since I didn't have my laptop. They also told m even if I provide both postal codes they cannot trace a parcel with it. They told me to contact head office which I did for the third time and was put on hold for roughly half an hour. I am going to try a few more times before the night is done and can let you know if the location is possible to find out.

[helphelp911]

pcpro, if you can't find it out by yourself, give your postal code to enviro and let him find it.

don't say try it and blah blah and can't find it

if you don't even want to give your postal code to enviro, i suggest enviro should call police and try to get $$ back.

[7jaii]

don't say try it and blah blah and can't find it
That's right. Monkey's don't run the post office (or do they?) and each package's address/postal code is scanned as it is sorted on the conveyor belt. pcpro should at least remember what day & time he dropped off this parcel. Canadapost can use this information to zero in -- you'd think pcpro would help out enviro61 by offering his full name address and phone.

Thank God there are honest RFDers who provided enviro61 with info!

[vinciman1215]

Well, I personally don't think anything else needs to be done by pcpro. Enviro has already notified the police, and its not like pcpro is located in romania or something.

We really needn't worry about pcpro "trying" to do his best to get result. Because I'm positively sure that once the police start knocking on his door, he'll give it up: money and all.

The situation has turned for the worst for pcpro, as even if he DID ship it out, the police will still have him on "close eye" and possibly on record in the future for an undisclosed amount of time.

[pcpro]

Canada post closed @6pm. Will try again first thing tomorrow morning. And yes it is necessary that more be done by me. Jay took the course of action he felt necessary and I'm sorry that it got to that point because I can't personally go and locate the package and deliver it to him. I sent the package so the fact that my reputation is tarnished as a result of it not arriving does make me want to continue trying to contact Canada Post and I will because I would like to know what happened to it.

[ca1n]

Canada post closed @6pm. Will try again first thing tomorrow morning. And yes it is necessary that more be done by me. Jay took the course of action he felt necessary and I'm sorry that it got to that point because I can't personally go and locate the package and deliver it to him. I sent the package so the fact that my reputation is tarnished as a result of it not arriving does make me want to continue trying to contact Canada Post and I will because I would like to know what happened to it.

How can they track something that was never shipped in the first place?

Here is how it goes down when you are a respectable trader pcpro.

When the buyer Say's the item did not arrive and you threw out the receipt you give the buyer the benefit of doubt. Because what is more important? Your rep or a few messily hundred dollars?
Plain and simple! You could have offered a refund if the package had not been delivered by 4 weeks. But really if you gave a refund I can guarantee
you would be down Canada post's throat till you got answers! But since you are currently out zero dollars you move like a snail and only when you are exposed. You say you dont have a laptop?you cant get online?Hmmm what university do you goto?last I heard there are lots of ways to accesss the net at local university's.
Oh and btw pcpro how is your brand new 8800gtx running? You told me you bought one brand new?Did you use his money? or was that just another lie?
Good job exposing yourself. Looks like you are the one that needs to go back to school.

[vinciman1215]

...so the fact that my reputation is tarnished as a result of it not arriving does make me want to continue trying to contact Canada Post and I will because I would like to know what happened to it.

Pcpro, the fact that your reputation is tarnished shouldn't be the reason why you feel its your obligation to continue to contact Canada Post to make things right. It should've been your obligation to do so regardless, because it was your mistake, not because you were forced to due to your reputation being tarnished.

Anyways, from my standpoint, every shipping company that I've ever gone through had some sort of tracking on them, even if it wasn't directly given to the buyer at the time.

I know that while Canada Post is generally a vindictive bunch of douchebags; which is the direct reason why I NEVER EVER ship using that company, they WILL give you tracking on the item REGARDLESS of the method you used to ship (as one previous RFD member said: every item is scanned through the conveyor belt) especially to the shipper who has claimed the item hasn't arrived in over 2 weeks. All you need to do is call them up, give them your personal information, and they will be able to AT LEAST tell you if it was picked up, and usually more including the whereabouts of the item, and if it was really lost in the mail.

There really is no excuse here Pcpro, right now the best course of action for you to do is seriously give Enviro his cash back. Why? Because through your mistakes, you are putting Enviro needlessly through this headache-ing situation which he DOESN'T deserve, period.

By giving his cash back, you are letting the RFD community know that you admit to your mistakes, and that you alone are dealing with Canada Post regarding your item.

So lets say you actually get the whereabouts of the item? Well, tell Canada Post they can go to hell, make an oath to NEVER use their service again, and provided that Enviro still wants to deal with you, send the item out PROPERLY this time; a good suggestion being FEDEX, as they have NEVER let me down with their prompt delivery, and precision tracking.

[anabeces]

WHAT IS YOUR POSTAL CODE?

Maybe this will get his attention lol?

[rubberband]

My head hurts..

Contrary to popular belief (or made up crap) Canada Post cannot and will not "just pull up" the location of a parcel sent via normal post. You can call head office, have them open a file for you, and wait 4-6 weeks before they will consider it lost and seriously try and track it down.

It's one user's word against another's - One user claims an item was sent, but can't prove it. Another is claiming that it never arrived, but can't prove that, either.

Yeah, the person sending the item should have forked out the $ for tracking and delivery confirmation to protect themselves. Because they have admitted that they don't have this information though, the recipient could just as easily have got the item, and be playing the sender for the cash as well. I'm not saying this is the case, but I am saying that there's NO way of knowing right now! Imagine if pcpro had posted first saying "this guy with no RFD history claims my package never arrived (it's only been a week) and is demanding a refund! How can I deal with this?"

enviro61: Stop with the threats. Please. Consider this: Let's say that pcpro did ship the package. What if he eventually does get CP to open a case, figure out where the package went and confirm it was lost? If you have gone ahead and tried to trash his record he could (and should!) sue you. More importantly, if you think the federal employees who deal with security screening don't like people with tarnished records, you should consider what they'd do to someone who used knowledge of the system to blacklist an individual for personal reasons. Your own record is at stake if you're too hasty.

pcpro: Don't give any more personal information out for your own protection. DO however go to CP and get a trace started. You will get an incident number which you can send to the recipient as confirmation that you are actively trying to find the package. They take a while to get around to it, so start NOW. The sooner you get things underway, the sooner you can clear your name. Having said that, if you haven't in fact sent the package for any reason, now would be a good time to issue a refund and quietly go away.

everyone else: I know that RFD loves a bad guy. In this case though, if you think objectively the chances that CP lost the package are good enough that you might want to wait before crapping all over the sender. Maybe we should all go find an MDG thread to vent in instead for a while?

[enviro61]

My head hurts..

Contrary to popular belief (or made up crap) Canada Post cannot and will not "just pull up" the location of a parcel sent via normal post. You can call head office, have them open a file for you, and wait 4-6 weeks before they will consider it lost and seriously try and track it down.

It's one user's word against another's - One user claims an item was sent, but can't prove it. Another is claiming that it never arrived, but can't prove that, either.

Yeah, the person sending the item should have forked out the $ for tracking and delivery confirmation to protect themselves. Because they have admitted that they don't have this information though, the recipient could just as easily have got the item, and be playing the sender for the cash as well. I'm not saying this is the case, but I am saying that there's NO way of knowing right now! Imagine if pcpro had posted first saying "this guy with no RFD history claims my package never arrived (it's only been a week) and is demanding a refund! How can I deal with this?"

enviro61: Stop with the threats. Please. Consider this: Let's say that pcpro did ship the package. What if he eventually does get CP to open a case, figure out where the package went and confirm it was lost? If you have gone ahead and tried to trash his record he could (and should!) sue you. More importantly, if you think the federal employees who deal with security screening don't like people with tarnished records, you should consider what they'd do to someone who used knowledge of the system to blacklist an individual for personal reasons. Your own record is at stake if you're too hasty.

pcpro: Don't give any more personal information out for your own protection. DO however go to CP and get a trace started. You will get an incident number which you can send to the recipient as confirmation that you are actively trying to find the package. They take a while to get around to it, so start NOW. The sooner you get things underway, the sooner you can clear your name. Having said that, if you haven't in fact sent the package for any reason, now would be a good time to issue a refund and quietly go away.

everyone else: I know that RFD loves a bad guy. In this case though, if you think objectively the chances that CP lost the package are good enough that you might want to wait before crapping all over the sender. Maybe we should all go find an MDG thread to vent in instead for a while?


I hear you, however common sense does prevail. I did not know he threw out the receipt prior to my claims that the parcel had not arrived. I simply began to wonder what was going on.

Anyway, yes I am very reluctant to proceed with fraud claims simply because it is a big deal. There exists the possibility that it was somehow lost on my end, a neighbour or a postal person took it or misplaced it.

I merely became increasingly frustrated by Andre's lack of effort or at least what seemed to me to be a lack off effort at resolving this for his sake and mine. I expected more from him, right or wrong and he at least o me and others seemed to be holding out and dodging certain questions.

As for Fraud, they are considerably backlogged with files, so basically that is not an issue I would want to pursue and wait around for in resolving this case (legally) anytime soon. Fraud is the big thing and with the whole buyer beware principal out there, they want moderators to handle the issue and for the group to monitor itself to a certain extent. Fraud is the flavour of the year with online shopping and banking as such, the stations are completely overwhlemed with cases.

They suggest small claims court for a quick response but given the fact that my girlfriend and I would lose more money by taking time off work then we could ever get out of a court, that is a non issue.

At this point in time I left him a negative feedback and he in turn left me a negative. Why I received one I am not sure. I fail to see how I did something wrong that deserved a negative feedback, do you?

[7jaii]

Having said that, if you haven't in fact sent the package for any reason, now would be a good time to issue a refund and quietly go away.
I'm not arguing your opinion but enviro61 already stated pcpro ignored his numerous times before posting here.

pcpro had lots of opportunity to offer updates but it wasn't until enviro61 PHONED him that pcpro finally took action. What was he doing those weeks before enviro61 phoned? Can you imagine if nobody provided enviro61 with a phone number? Poof! Money Gone. Your word against Mine

http://www.teterboro-online.com/news/news03/usps/mlocr.shtml

Canadapost isn't run by Amish Bakers, it depends on MLOCR that scans every letter. Dude, even Netflix uses a MLOCR to sort mail. This means Canadapost has many checkpoints that can verify pcpro sent a video card. pcpro should at least remember what day and time he shipped, right? Canadapost call centre also logs complaints so that's another record of when pcpro initiated his trace. You have a responsibility when you accept money and your customer never received it --> not "he's a newbie how do I know he doesn't already have it?"

Scammers don't usually contact the police or post office first

------------------------------------

enviro61: Don't give prcpro a free ride. Every scammer reading this is smiling and continues to scam. Heck, DongTrung or Monkeywhatever is probably still selling here. File your complaint and let the proper authorities handle it. Once they hand you a report you can take legal action -- pcpro can still clear his name in the meantime. It's important for the authorities to handle it from here and make RFD safer.

[memyselfandi]

My head hurts..

Contrary to popular belief (or made up crap) Canada Post cannot and will not "just pull up" the location of a parcel sent via normal post. You can call head office, have them open a file for you, and wait 4-6 weeks before they will consider it lost and seriously try and track it down.



I was able to track a package down using only both postal codes (Mine and the seller's), the packages are scanned at different depots for tracking purposes (even if the sender did not request tracking, packages always have an item number which needs to be tracked for CPs records) so it will be in their system. They can then check to see if its been delivered, if it hasn't, they can tell you what depot it went through last giving a rough estimate of where the package is.

If only PcPro would give out his postal code (either in this thread or in private message), then Enviro61 could check for himself. If he did send it, what does he have to lose by giving out his postal code? At least if it shows up in their system it'll tell everyone here that he sent it.

Even if it was lost in the mail, PcPro would still be in the wrong here.

1. He didn't get a tracking number and threw out the receipt.
2. Without the receipt, he can't file for a lost package claim and get the insured amount back (Which is 100$).
3. PcPro said he couldn't afford next day, express delivery, heck even a tracking number yet he had Enviro61's payment in his hands at that point.
4. PcPro then states he just bought a 8800GTX, he can afford a $600+ video card, yet can't dish out <$3 for a tracking number and insurance to cover his and Enviro61's ass?
5. Since he refuses to give out his postal code when asked numerous times, he has something to hide... Probably because he never sent the card out in the first place.

The way I see it, PcPro should refund Enviro61's cash, if PcPro cannot afford to refund his money, then he should get some compensation for his troubles, namely a video card since thats what he was buying in the first place. I think that shiny new 8800GTX would cover it.

So either way, PcPro needs to fork over $240, or a video card of equal or greater value.

This is why when I ship packages with CP now, I ship express post (depending on the size and weight obviously) with tracking number and confirmation signature required, it usually gets shipped within 3 days so both me and the buyer are happy. Sure maybe it costs a little extra but its well worth it when things like this happen.

[memyselfandi]

At this point in time I left him a negative feedback and he in turn left me a negative. Why I received one I am not sure. I fail to see how I did something wrong that deserved a negative feedback, do you?

Get in touch with the admins at heatware, point them to this thread and they will take the negative feedback out. You are not in the wrong in this, in no way should you get a negative feedback from him.

[enviro61]

To Rubberband,

You seem to be a fairly neutral party. Why don't you give Andre a call and get his postal code info and you can have my address as well. I will give you his cell number and you act as the 3rd party since he is unwilling to share any info with me or the community.

The police want us to try and resolve it on our own and the RFD community has been around awhile. The moderators have remaiend uninvolved for the most part. The moderators do have an obligation to step in based on my discussion with the authorities, so I am waiting for someone to take that initiative.

In the absence of moderator intervention, the RFD community is fulfilling that leadership void and trying to resolve the case. Rubberband, you can be a contributor to this, so what do you say.

Andre received payment on Feb 02, 2007 and stated to me in a pm that he sent it on Tuesday Feb. 06, 2007.

[enviro61]

I'm not arguing your opinion but enviro61 already stated pcpro ignored his numerous times before posting here.

pcpro had lots of opportunity to offer updates but it wasn't until enviro61 PHONED him that pcpro finally took action. What was he doing those weeks before enviro61 phoned? Can you imagine if nobody provided enviro61 with a phone number? Poof! Money Gone. Your word against Mine

http://www.teterboro-online.com/news/news03/usps/mlocr.shtml

Canadapost isn't run by Amish Bakers, it depends on MLOCR that scans every letter. Dude, even Netflix uses a MLOCR to sort mail. This means Canadapost has many checkpoints that can verify pcpro sent a video card. pcpro should at least remember what day and time he shipped, right? Canadapost call centre also logs complaints so that's another record of when pcpro initiated his trace. You have a responsibility when you accept money and your customer never received it --> not "he's a newbie how do I know he doesn't already have it?"

Scammers don't usually contact the police or post office first

------------------------------------

enviro61: Don't give prcpro a free ride. Every scammer reading this is smiling and continues to scam. Heck, DongTrung or Monkeywhatever is probably still selling here. File your complaint and let the proper authorities handle it. Once they hand you a report you can take legal action -- pcpro can still clear his name in the meantime. It's important for the authorities to handle it from here and make RFD safer.

You have my word that a police scan on Andre Tavares is beign conducted today. I know this with absolute certainty. That much I can at least promise you.

[S_G]

At this point in time I left him a negative feedback and he in turn left me a negative. Why I received one I am not sure. I fail to see how I did something wrong that deserved a negative feedback, do you?

Email them, give them all of the information they require (particularly to this thread, where pcpro has admitted to what they need to know). They will remove retaliatory feedback.

[ca1n]

Rubberband
please
read the whole thread before you post something that would have made sense 2 weeks ago.
You should have enough trading exp to know how wrong pcpro is here.
Please read the WHOLE thread so I do not have to post the facts again and again.

And the reason why pcpro will not give his postal code is then he can be found out to be a fraud.
why else would he not give it up?
I give my full address and phone number to ppl who buy from me so if there is a problem they can contact me asap.

And they will remove the negative heat retaliatory feedback.

[ivo]

You are all a bunch of clowns... Especially Enviro...

You sit here and post that you are initiating a police report on the seller? You are on the internet dude! Quit making threats that can actually damage this person's reputation in real life. Now, I'll admit that I have not read all the pages to this thread, however people make mistakes and I think that the two parties involved should exchange numbers and settle this on their own.

I am not defending either side, however I do believe that if you are going to ship, it would be in your best interest to keep any sort of documentation to prove that you did actually send the item. It didn’t happen in this case, but now im sure people will pay more attention to it.

Quit acting like a bunch of kids and come to some sort of agreement.

Cheers

[ca1n]

Oh and one last public question for pcpro. Around the time took this guy's money you tried to buy my card and wasted my time for 2 days telling me the emt was coming. Then you said you bought a brand new 8800gtx so just sell mine to someone else??
For being on a tight budget like you claim how can you afford this card?Did you buy this card with his money?Did you have to sell your card to someone else and to him to get what you want?
Because you told me YOU bought a brand new 8800gtx and that comes to almost 800$ at the same time you took his money but you cannot afford an extra 5$ for express post?

I have had first hand exp with this trader and now he needs to be banned.
You make a thread on time wasters and ppl who do not follow through?
wake up.
GIVE HIM A REFUND!!!
GIVE HIM A REFUND
He would not be looking into this with the police if he was a scam!he is a victim so be a man and buck up the cash.

[ca1n]

You are all a bunch of clowns... Especially Enviro...

You sit here and post that you are initiating a police report on the seller? You are on the internet dude! Quit making threats that can actually damage this person's reputation in real life. Now, I'll admit that I have not read all the pages to this thread, however people make mistakes and I think that the two parties involved should exchange numbers and settle this on their own.

I am not defending either side, however I do believe that if you are going to ship, it would be in your best interest to keep any sort of documentation to prove that you did actually send the item. It didn’t happen in this case, but now im sure people will pay more attention to it.

Quit acting like a bunch of kids and come to some sort of agreement.

Cheers


My god boy
lol
welcome to the internet
try some coffee and reading the whole thread. LOL
clowncake

[enviro61]

You are all a bunch of clowns... Especially Enviro...

You sit here and post that you are initiating a police report on the seller? You are on the internet dude! Quit making threats that can actually damage this person's reputation in real life. Now, I'll admit that I have not read all the pages to this thread, however people make mistakes and I think that the two parties involved should exchange numbers and settle this on their own.

I am not defending either side, however I do believe that if you are going to ship, it would be in your best interest to keep any sort of documentation to prove that you did actually send the item. It didn’t happen in this case, but now im sure people will pay more attention to it.

Quit acting like a bunch of kids and come to some sort of agreement.

Cheers

Wow, that is was one of the most uninformative posts ever made. Not takingi t personally but you can not comment intelligently on something without doing a bit of background reading.

Stating upfront your ignorance by saying you did not read anything previously does not suddenly validate your opinion. In fact it verfies to us that your opinion and comments are unfounded.

You think I have not tried to contact this guy or get his info??? I have tried numerous times and he has been completely evasive. He is dodging and stalling and hiding. You are imagining him to be someone he is not.

Next time read before you write.

[ivo]

ahaha... we have another internet superstar here eh? Listen champ, i went through at least 3-4 pages of the same crap. You want to participate in some sort of confrontation, go pick a fight in real life you joke. I think this thread was created to help get advice and I am providing it. You however and getting off on this sort of crap... You have WAY too much time on your hands. :)

[rubberband]

In the absence of moderator intervention, the RFD community is fulfilling that leadership void and trying to resolve the case. Rubberband, you can be a contributor to this, so what do you say.

If both yourself and pcpro can PM me your personal information, I will do my best to help. I can't make any promises, but if you both provide me with all your information (address, name, etc) I'll have better odds.

The caveat to my offer is that you stop with the police and threats until I give up. Making "ooooh.. scary!" comments like this:


You have my word that a police scan on Andre Tavares is beign conducted today. I know this with absolute certainty. That much I can at least promise you.

Won't help in the meantime.

You should both remove your respective negative heatware feedback. Heatware is for deals that are closed or dead, not for pissing matches during open disputes. Let's try and use the system correctly.

Like I said. I'll take personal information from the pair of you. PM it to me and I'll do my best. I spend enough at the CP outlet near my work that I might have an in.

Let's get those PMs to me and get this show on the road.

[enviro61]

ahaha... we have another internet superstar here eh? Listen champ, i went through at least 3-4 pages of the same crap. You want to participate in some sort of confrontation, go pick a fight in real life you joke. I think this thread was created to help get advice and I am providing it. You however and getting off on this sort of crap... You have WAY too much time on your hands. :)

My fighting days are over. I choose the pen instead of the sword these days. Yes, sorry to say but I finished my education lng ago and I now work for the government.

Google me (Jay Violini) and I am sure you will find out that I have done a thing or two in my life that goes beyond posting on message boards :)

What have you done...anyway, thanks for the derail troll

[ivo]

ahahaha.... Troll? Please, you're hurting my feelings mate. I'm glad you chose the pen instead of the sword champ, however sitting in front of a computer starting fights is something I wouldn’t expect from a "professional" such as yourself. Anyways, I'm sure not going to steep down to your level and fight over the net. I think you winners should get your problem resolved without the police since im sure you know that it can do a lot to someone’s professional life. After all, you have to have some sort of proof that you did actually get ripped off by this guy. I would hate to see a seller being investigated for something he didn’t do.

... oh, and what I do isn’t any of your business. Let's just say im on my way to a well looked upon profession. Cheers.

[7jaii]

... oh, and what I do isn’t any of your business. Let's just say im on my way to a well looked upon profession. Cheers.
Bye Bye

You won't need us to help you if you're scammed since you know how to handle yourself on the Interweb.

[enviro61]

Here are the details of the Interac* Email Money Transfer to Andre Tavares.

Certapay Reference Number: CAD0twWv Amount: 240.00 (CAD) Status: Recipient deposited transfer
Initiated on: 2007-02-02 10:52 PM Expiry Date: 2007-03-04 11:06 PM
Sender Name: Michele Gauthier
Recipient Name: Andre Tavares Recipient Email: andre.tavares03@gmail.com

Processing Email Money Transfer 2007-02-02 10:52 PM PAYER The Bank of Nova Scotia

Email Money Transfer sent 2007-02-02 11:22 PM
Recipient answered security question 2007-02-03 02:49 AM PAYEE (Recipient's bank)
Recipient deposited transfer 2007-02-03 02:49 AM PAYEE

If you require any further assistance, please contact our Support Team at 1 888 238 6433 Monday to Friday, 9a-5p ET or email us at info@certapay.com.

*Registered trade-mark of Interac Inc. Used under license.

[ivo]

Bye Bye

You won't need us to help you if you're scammed since you know how to handle yourself on the Interweb.

What?? How does this have any relevance to what I said? I actually have been scammed before, but I somehow managed to get my money back. It was on investments... Anyways, I think there is a right way to do everything, and it is unfortunately not being practiced in this case.

Bye Bye?

[Noob1ee]

Now, I'll admit that I have not read all the pages to this thread, however people make mistakes and I think that the two parties involved should exchange numbers and settle this on their own.

Quit acting like a bunch of kids and come to some sort of agreement.


What do you think enviro61 have been doing? Look who's the kid here.

[ca1n]

Originally Posted by ivo
Now, I'll admit that I have not read all the pages to this thread, however people make mistakes and I think that the two parties involved should exchange numbers and settle this on their own.

Quit acting like a bunch of kids and come to some sort of agreement.

Cheers

His own words work so much better than mine. Now I think he should be voted for being a moderator. Seeing as how helpful he is.
lol.
keep up the good work IVO

[Rai_Polo]

Why don't you read th whole post before you jump in ******. You post is redundant.

You are all a bunch of clowns... Especially Enviro...

You sit here and post that you are initiating a police report on the seller? You are on the internet dude! Quit making threats that can actually damage this person's reputation in real life. Now, I'll admit that I have not read all the pages to this thread, however people make mistakes and I think that the two parties involved should exchange numbers and settle this on their own.

I am not defending either side, however I do believe that if you are going to ship, it would be in your best interest to keep any sort of documentation to prove that you did actually send the item. It didn’t happen in this case, but now im sure people will pay more attention to it.

Quit acting like a bunch of kids and come to some sort of agreement.

Cheers

[vinciman1215]

You are all a bunch of clowns... Especially Enviro...

You sit here and post that you are initiating a police report on the seller? You are on the internet dude! Quit making threats that can actually damage this person's reputation in real life. Now, I'll admit that I have not read all the pages to this thread, however people make mistakes and I think that the two parties involved should exchange numbers and settle this on their own.

I am not defending either side, however I do believe that if you are going to ship, it would be in your best interest to keep any sort of documentation to prove that you did actually send the item. It didn’t happen in this case, but now im sure people will pay more attention to it.

Quit acting like a bunch of kids and come to some sort of agreement.

Cheers

The reason WHY this conversation has turned for the worst is BECAUSE of pcpro's horrid mistake. Enviro has already tried every means necessary to solve this peacefully without trouble, but it is pcpro who has decided to be unreasonable.

If you had read through the entire post, you would know this.

My opinion? unless you know your information in and out fully, zip the mouth.

Calling us a bunch of kids for helping out a fellow RFD member professionally, while talking smack is not only hypocritical, but also not appreciated here.

What??...

...Bye Bye?

Ivo, I think you've worn your welcome out in this post, now if you'll quietly step out the door i'm sure you can find some other forum to talk trash on.

Take care Ivo,

Cheers

[awestruck]

I shipped out a package yesterday with Canada Post via Regular Parcel. I asked if it came with a tracking # and the clerk said no and I had to pay 80 cents for one. Maybe I got jipped, but I didn't get a free tracking # when I sent my item as a Regular Parcel.

[jeffyjaixx]

I shipped out a package yesterday with Canada Post via Regular Parcel. I asked if it came with a tracking # and the clerk said no and I had to pay 80 cents for one. Maybe I got jipped, but I didn't get a free tracking # when I sent my item as a Regular Parcel.

Same here, I had to pay extra for tracking number for regular parcel.

[Kid Cruel]

You may not get one unless you pay a $1.00 but packages don't usually go blindly throughout the post office hoping it gets to its destination, it has a start and a finish, they should work from there.

[7jaii]

Email Money Transfer sent 2007-02-02 11:22 PM
Recipient answered security question 2007-02-03 02:49 AM PAYEE (Recipient's bank)
Recipient deposited transfer 2007-02-03 02:49 AM PAYEE
Hey ivo, Andre deposited eviro61's money on FEBRUARY 3rd. That's more than 2 weeks so eviro61 should take every measure to receive his video card.

[Noob1ee]

By the way enviro61, have you tried contacting the people that have left a heatware to pcpro for his address?

[enviro61]

By the way enviro61, have you tried contacting the people that have left a heatware to pcpro for his address?

Nope but that is a good suggestion. A lot of work but I will get on it, one at a time. I did just call the post office and had them run my address through again and they said "There is nothing on hold waiting to be picked up for that address"

As for the people who sent items regular post, you should still have an item # on yoru receipt so don't throw it out. It is also proof that you sent something.
Canada Post is like any other business, then charge for extra bells and whistles that are really already there if you push for it.

[ivo]

Yes, you are right. I have started the name calling.... I find it so frustrating to see losers like some of you posting such rubbish. I use this site for its sole intended purpose, to trade. It sounds to me like you drama junkies need to, a: Find a girlfriend/wife/friend, someone to keep you socially satisfied, or b: join myspace on go on peoples personal profiles to "flame" each other.

...back to the issue on hand.
I would recommend the seller go to the initial location where the post was made and see what the options are for obtaining proof of post. They are the true variable in the sense that if they can provide any sort of proof that the seller did indeed send the post. If the seller cannot prove this, then I think it would be appropriate practice to come to some sort of agreement between the buyer and seller. Key words here guys, BUYER AND SELLER. I think the "posse" should stay out of this since I haven’t seen anything productive come out from any of you other than the mate who suggested taking both parties information...

You RFD gurus should know by now that scammers can work both as the buyer and seller. Solidify your variables and im sure you guys will be able to come to some sort of a conclusion.

... and to anyone who has a problem with how I offer my opinion can go deal with it. That’s what this thread is for.

Cheers.

[rubberband]

Time for a timeout!

I've received information from the buyer. I've also PMed the seller informing him of my offer to help. Until I have some kind of results (or something happens with the others) how about we refrain from posting unless something worthwhile can be offered?

[kitbor]

stop this people, this is not helping pcpro and eviro61. just ignore ivo. we don't have to pay any attendion to his "professional" post!!!

let's just focus on update from pcpro and eviro61!

btw, eviro61, did pcpro give you his info then you can use for tracking the packet?

+1

[enviro61]

+1

No, any info I have on pcpro was obtained through other resources. He has not provided me with anything other than his original email account to whcih the emt was sent.

At this point in time I am going to trust that rubberband will have better luck than me and getting some information which can be used to cross reference a location of the package which in all likelihood is sitting on his couch or better yet inside his computer.

[LeeBoA]

I checked his feedback and it was 100%. Hindsight is 20/20.

I have made a lot of transactions via ebay and playerauctions and I am pretty good at weeding out the scammers. I am not a novice but yes I and everyone are susceptible to a scam.

I can say this with absolute certainty; he has not been a good seller. I have sold a lot of things online and I am very conscientious of the buyer and their concerns. I ship it and send it asap and provide them with all of the info. To the credit of most on here and others with whom I have dealt with, they do the same.

Online trading has inherent risks and we do what we can to mitigate them. We rely on the feedback of others as a guide for ourselves. His feedback was 11-0. Sure he goes by a couple of names but right or wrong, I felt the decision I was making was sound. Foolproof, no but sound given the circumstances.

I would advise others to avoid him for the following reasons:

1. HE did not show a keen interest on getting me the item. His focus was in getting the money asap and once he had the money, he lost interest in being a person of his word or integrity.

2. He did not overnight it or next day the delivery as he promised in the sale.

3. I bought it on a Friday and he did not ship it out until the following Tuesday despite advertising overnight, next day shipping.

4. He claimed it wsa too costly yet he had $240 emt to him. I ship things often enough to know that a video card from T.O to Ottawa is not much more than regular parcel.

5. He has failed to provide me with a tracking or item number. HE claims he was not given one. I can not do anything beyond this.

At the time of the sale, I was very new to RFD and had zero feedback. I was the perfect person to scam.

Jay
I s
ent some guy a video card to winnepeg i believe, and it only costs 10$ or less i believe. Somewhere around that range, not that pricy

[LeeBoA]

i think pcpro sent the video card out...

[ca1n]

No, any info I have on pcpro was obtained through other resources. He has not provided me with anything other than his original email account to whcih the emt was sent.

At this point in time I am going to trust that rubberband will have better luck than me and getting some information which can be used to cross reference a location of the package which in all likelihood is sitting on his couch or better yet inside his computer.

why in the world would you get a third party involved unless its a moderator?
Am I missing something or does rubberband have some sort of power on the forums?if not its usless.

[UrbanPoet]

Yeah I just mailed out a regular parcel to London yesterday and got a tracking number with it. I hope you have his contact info!
IMO I would post the sellers user name because two weeks is unacceptable!! 3-4 days max if regular (Toronto to Ottawa).
Good luck,

Toaster

nah... 2 weeks is acceptable. Something might have come up on both sides.

[enviro61]

Actually it has been more than 2 weeks. The original post was 2 weeks ago.

Anyway...

Update...I called Cpost and they confirmed that a parcel can not be tracked by 2 postal codes (sender, receiver). They did confirm that an item number can be used even from regular parcel which we already knew.

So the 2 postal code theory is a no go. Anyway, I am lf new video card.

[vinciman1215]

No enviro, I wouldn't purchase a new card as of yet, give it some time maybe pcpro really did ship it out.

I mean unless your literally stuck without anything to use, otherwise if I were you, I would definitely wait for the video card.

After all, you paid good money for it.

[mcg]

Sometimes, the time and effort spent in resolving an issue just isn't worth what the end result will be - which I'm thinking is a half-refund.

Better to just move on and take the hit like many other BSTers have done. $200 is little compared to what some others have lost, ranging in the thousands.

No enviro, I wouldn't purchase a new card as of yet, give it some time maybe pcpro really did ship it out.

I mean unless your literally stuck without anything to use, otherwise if I were you, I would definitely wait for the video card.

After all, you paid good money for it.

[enviro61]

One phrase keeps popping into my head; In the absence of certainty all things are possible.

There are too many scenarios to imagine what in fact did happen but the reality remains that I still do not have a decent graphics card. Time to pony up and buy another, such is the way things go some times.

While $240 is not chump change, there are greater losses out there as the previous poster stated.

Ther weird thing is I am not even sure what lesson is to be learned in all of this...

[FlintBlade]

Well, I think PCPRO should get banned unless one of three options happen.

1) The card is in enviros hands by wednesday
2) A full refund is received.
3) The card is sent out (if he has not sent it out by now) and he gives enviro a partial refund($20-40) for his long wait.

[memyselfandi]

Actually it has been more than 2 weeks. The original post was 2 weeks ago.

Anyway...

Update...I called Cpost and they confirmed that a parcel can not be tracked by 2 postal codes (sender, receiver). They did confirm that an item number can be used even from regular parcel which we already knew.

So the 2 postal code theory is a no go. Anyway, I am lf new video card.

If you hassle them enough they will check it for you, it took me a couple days of calling and speaking with different people to make them check with the postal codes, make sure you open a case file, that way everytime you call, its noted, when the next person opens up your case file and sees how many times you've called, they'll actually do something about it. If you never bug them or follow up, they won't do anything, just keep calling and you'll find out what you want to know.

I'll call a friend in the morning who works at one of their call centers to confirm it (thats what she does, takes calls asking about tracking or lost packages), I know for a fact it can be traced that way because I've already done it.

Did they mention if there was a case file open on the subject already?

[enviro61]

If you hassle them enough they will check it for you, it took me a couple days of calling and speaking with different people to make them check with the postal codes, make sure you open a case file, that way everytime you call, its noted, when the next person opens up your case file and sees how many times you've called, they'll actually do something about it. If you never bug them or follow up, they won't do anything, just keep calling and you'll find out what you want to know.

I'll call a friend in the morning who works at one of their call centers to confirm it (thats what she does, takes calls asking about tracking or lost packages), I know for a fact it can be traced that way because I've already done it.

Did they mention if there was a case file open on the subject already?


A casefile has not been opened as of yet that I am aware of. I doubt that I can since I do not have his postal code or address.

Which really begs the following question.

If he sent me the package presumably the return address is on it so why be so unwilling to provide his personal address or even postal code???
You would think it is on the package anyway and I will know it once it arrives??? If he sent the package without a return address then really, all hope is lost.


Too many things that do not add up.
Too many questions and too few answers that all indicate he never sent it.

[ca1n]

sorry but the truth is he is a scam.
troll
why in the world will he not give you his address?
anyone from his previous heatware send him anything? pm them and grab his addy.
:)

[S_G]

sorry but the truth is he is a scam.
troll
why in the world will he not give you his address?
anyone from his previous heatware send him anything? pm them and grab his addy.
:)

Absolutely correct. If he DID in fact ship the item out, his address/postal code would be on the package as the sender, so enviro would have gotten that address had he ever received the package. So, I am baffled as to why pcpro would be willing to put his address on a parcel for a buyer, but won't bother to email his postal code to the same person.

[ca1n]

straigh from pcpro's mouth on a deal he tried to make with me for my 8800gtx around the same time he took enviro61 cash

I'll EMT you the full 650 right now if you can guarantee its in the mail tommorow morning I want it asap cuz i just sold my 7900GT and im using an x300se ....PM me asap and let me know and i'll send you the EMT tonight.?[Also you stated 650 shipped in your thread is this Xpresspost or priority courier
so we can see here he KNOWS what method's of shipping to use and prefered by himself when spending his own cash.

Pro pro wrote
Alright man im kinda in a stupid bind here my account has 652 dollars but i want the xpresspost so it'll b 660 but im eight buxx short...is there any possible way i cud send you this 650 and then ten bux tmrw night? The package wont b here by then anyway if you send it in the morning...I would really appreciate if you could and im sincere i will send youthe 10 tmrw youcan check my heatware if you like

Man he comes at me for spelling error's I see 8 mistakes he made lol.
Needless to say I wrote back deal is done and I included express post shipping for 650$ He then reads my pm and never responds for 2 days so I sell the card to someone else.
THen 2 days after he said he would emt me.

Originally Posted by pcpro
Hey thanks anyway but I had some issues getting my funds in order that night and ending up buying a brand new 1 cash. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

hmm he states several time he could not afford 3$ for express and is a broke student?8800gtx last I heard was not a broke students budget card.Infact its would have cost him an extra 125$ TAX in for that card.
So I write him back this

"THe inconvience is when I put off other buyers because you say 100% you are going to take it.
It sold that day to another member.
You should have when you read my pm responded rather than leave me
hanging."
that was not being rude or attacking on my part what so ever but look how he took it.


K #1 why are you crying about me not sending u the EMT for the GTX. Its an 8800GTX!!! Im pretty sure you would have had no problem selling it so why are you acting like a child? And you said you sold it neway so whuts ur deal I apologized why are you acting like a prick? w.e at least I got something out of it [lesson in buying and selling dont trade with immature individuals].


WOW loose cannon? I cant belive this is the same person who wrote this thread about someone that just wasted his time?
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381645
He does not deserve to be a member of this forum!
Why has he had no input on here?
any new updates enviro61

[enviro61]

straigh from pcpro's mouth on a deal he tried to make with me for my 8800gtx around the same time he took enviro61 cash

I'll EMT you the full 650 right now if you can guarantee its in the mail tommorow morning I want it asap cuz i just sold my 7900GT and im using an x300se ....PM me asap and let me know and i'll send you the EMT tonight.?[Also you stated 650 shipped in your thread is this Xpresspost or priority courier
so we can see here he KNOWS what method's of shipping to use and prefered by himself when spending his own cash.

Pro pro wrote
Alright man im kinda in a stupid bind here my account has 652 dollars but i want the xpresspost so it'll b 660 but im eight buxx short...is there any possible way i cud send you this 650 and then ten bux tmrw night? The package wont b here by then anyway if you send it in the morning...I would really appreciate if you could and im sincere i will send youthe 10 tmrw youcan check my heatware if you like

Man he comes at me for spelling error's I see 8 mistakes he made lol.
Needless to say I wrote back deal is done and I included express post shipping for 650$ He then reads my pm and never responds for 2 days so I sell the card to someone else.
THen 2 days after he said he would emt me.

Originally Posted by pcpro
Hey thanks anyway but I had some issues getting my funds in order that night and ending up buying a brand new 1 cash. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

hmm he states several time he could not afford 3$ for express and is a broke student?8800gtx last I heard was not a broke students budget card.Infact its would have cost him an extra 125$ TAX in for that card.
So I write him back this

"THe inconvience is when I put off other buyers because you say 100% you are going to take it.
It sold that day to another member.
You should have when you read my pm responded rather than leave me
hanging."
that was not being rude or attacking on my part what so ever but look how he took it.


K #1 why are you crying about me not sending u the EMT for the GTX. Its an 8800GTX!!! Im pretty sure you would have had no problem selling it so why are you acting like a child? And you said you sold it neway so whuts ur deal I apologized why are you acting like a prick? w.e at least I got something out of it [lesson in buying and selling dont trade with immature individuals].


WOW loose cannon? I cant belive this is the same person who wrote this thread about someone that just wasted his time?
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381645
He does not deserve to be a member of this forum!
Why has he had no input on here?
any new updates enviro61


I think the kid is a pathological liar. He tells me he can't talk via phone both by pm and when I called him because he says he gets dinged for long ditsance. He asks me where I am calling from and says oh man that is long distance, I can't talk.

Then once I explain to him that he won't get dinged for long distance, only I will, he comes out and says his phone is pay as you go. The kid is playing everyone for fools and thinks he is smarter than the rest.

I received an email from him and he said that Canada Post explained to him the option of opening a case file and he opted against it for whatever reason. He does have my proper address though, he confirmed that at least.

Anyway, if I do not receive the item tomorrow or he does not publically post his postal code, I will post his cell number and everyone and their dog can call him and at the very least force him to change his number and incur a charge or inconvenience that way.

That's it that's all my friend..

[ca1n]

I might be picking up 2 7800gt's tomorrow. If you like I can give you a smoking deal on one of them. Thing is they come with watercooling block so I will have to pick up an aftermarket cooler.But I will give you one for half the price of what its worth.
or I can just send you the emt for 50$ that I promised helping you out for being scammed.
Its not all about the $$$$ here ppl
its called what goes around comes around.
If you do take the card then we can do a heatware explaining the situtation with a link to this thread. :)

[enviro61]

I might be picking up 2 7800gt's tomorrow. If you like I can give you a smoking deal on one of them. Thing is they come with watercooling block so I will have to pick up an aftermarket cooler.But I will give you one for half the price of what its worth.
or I can just send you the emt for 50$ that I promised helping you out for being scammed.
Its not all about the $$$$ here ppl
its called what goes around comes around.
If you do take the card then we can do a heatware explaining the situtation with a link to this thread. :)


Thanks for the offer but I don't want aonyone else to be put out by this. As others have noted, I am not the first to be scammed.

I know this guy ticked you off as well but don't let him bite you twice. No point in you losing $$ over this. I will take the hit alone.

As for the 7800, I am keen on ati for my newly built system. If you come across any good deals in the 200-300 range let me know. I found a 256mb x1950 pro locally a guy is selling so I may make a pitch for that as well.

[FlintBlade]

Seriously, the fact that pcpro left you a negative beats me. How did this Tool even make it to University. He's so freakin' stupid. I hope the mods ban him, he doesn't deserve to be in the presence of honorable RFD'rs. He definitely does NOT deserve to trade with us or on this board.

[memyselfandi]

Seems like he re-registered 2 other heatware accounts as pcpro (http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=49773) and pcprosales (http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=54577)... They weren't there the last time I searched his name on heatware.com, so its more than likely him.

So its pretty safe to say he disappeared and won't be returning anytime soon. I'm sorry you wasted all this time for nothing Enviro61, hopefully no one here gets scammed by him again and I hope they do ban him from RFD, this piece of trash doesn't deserve to be trading on here.

[_dangtx_]

can someone plz post a pic of it being cuffed?




hmmmm



http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=694344&page=3
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=882189
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=872866


Old 04-02-2006, 00:45
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[rubberband]

why in the world would you get a third party involved unless its a moderator?
Am I missing something or does rubberband have some sort of power on the forums?if not its usless.

I'm not a moderator or anything, Just trying to help rather than troll like some folks. I managed to get this thread moved out of the BST and into a more appropriate venue, managed to get the people actually involved in the deal to chill out for a few days, and hopefully if/when pcpro logs in again I might even be able to help as a go between for two less than amicable users. The idea being that the other party may be willing to share his postal code with someone who isn't threatening him with police action.

Basically, I'm getting tired of seeing a community I really like get filled up by bitching and whining over deals that haven't gone smoothly, and I'm trying to help where I can. If all the users on there with hundreds of posts helped deal with one problem like this during their time on the board we'd be set!

[ca1n]

He has not logged in for 5 days.
Guess we will never see him back again.
truth is he tried to pick someone with no trading exp and did not realize enviro61 has traded on other forums. From the start I called it as it was. The only troll in this thread is pcpo btw. Everyone else is stating their opinion which enviro61 asked. Myself having enough exp with heatware and on this forum and personally dealing with pcpro gave me more than enough reason to get personal.Only thing a third party should do here is ban him!Has he had no contact enviro61?

[enviro61]

He has not logged in for 5 days.
Guess we will never see him back again.
truth is he tried to pick someone with no trading exp and did not realize enviro61 has traded on other forums. From the start I called it as it was. The only troll in this thread is pcpo btw. Everyone else is stating their opinion which enviro61 asked. Myself having enough exp with heatware and on this forum and personally dealing with pcpro gave me more than enough reason to get personal.Only thing a third party should do here is ban him!Has he had no contact enviro61?

We have exchanged a few emails outside of rfd through hotmail and gmail. I do know he is still checking the forums but as a guest.

He is a bit overwhelmed at the response and I imagine he does not want to check his pm's for fear of what might be waiting. Our emails have been somewhat polite and he has agreed to open a casefile, tomorrow.

I think all of us online traders have seen so much **** and been scammed or have dealt with numerous scammers before that our tolerance level is 0. I told him if the package arrives and it is proven to have shipped when he claimed then I will work as hard and diligently to clear his name as I did to cry foul.

However, the kid should have never NEVER thrown out the damn receipt. So much of this could have been avoided. He still hasn't given me his personal information but he confirmed my shipping address which was right, so that eliminates another variable.

Not sure what I can say. I wish I had his postal code as I would call CPost 10 times a day until I got answers. I do see a few Tavares in Pickering, though am not sure if any belong to him.

Other than that, I installed Vista and updated the bios yesterday and am going to work on overclocking the e6700 tonight, and, maybe play a bit of xbox 360 while I remain in a holding pattern.

[ca1n]

Can you ask a moderator to ask him for his postal code?
What does he have to lose giving out his postal code?
here is mine v5w 3n8
its real easy
and fun too.
is it kind of like giving dna? Once you give either you are clear or you are

not

[Ducky]

first off, i did not go through ALL the pages of this thread..just the first couple...it's pretty clear cut who is at fault in this.

some simple facts.

Canada Post does not give tracking number for all parcels like some ppl said...you have to pay for this...$1 for $100 coverage, $2 for $200, etc.

pcpro chose to ship it at the LOWEST cost...

Canada Post LOST the package...i'm not surprised...it DOES happen cuz i have been shipping stuff domestic, transborder, and internationally for almost 8 years now.

since pcpro didn't pay the extra for the TRACKING number...

pcpro is AT FAULT.

it does not matter if he did ship it or not...the fact is the recipient did not get ANYTHING for the money he paid.

seller should be responsible and learn from this mistake.

i don't see any other argument to this.

ALWAYS PAY FOR TRACKING....unless you(the seller) are willing to take the RISK of the package not arriving at its destination.

[ca1n]

seller should be responsible
Seller is not responsible.
Infact he just flunked all of his classes and got kicked out of Univercity.
Guess he needs the money for food.

[sweetladdy]

and ur still waiting?...

[enviro61]

and ur still waiting?...

Have I received it yet, no.

Am I still waiting; not really.

I haven't heard much from him lately and I have lost hope for the most part. I still check the mailbox with a feint hope but I am now looking for a replacement.

It is hard for me to buy from RFD now as he left me a neg feedback.

I have Ca1n keeping an eye out for me if a good deal pops up, otherwise I will try and buy something locally.

He has said he won't refund me the money though so nothing to fight on that front. He does believe me that I did not receive the item though.

[ca1n]

Yesterday I shipped a 2000$ laptop and when I got home I could not find my bill with the tracking on it. I started to panic alittle because with out the bill you have no insurace. Needless to say I found it and at least I knew it was tracked with insurance and signature req. SHipping was express and cost 62$ but that is the proper way to do it. Pcpro sent it the cheapest possible method which was no shipping at all. He still has not answered my question about how good his brand new 8800gtx is working. I am sure he used other ppls cash to buy it as he was bragging to me about his new card.

[enviro61]

Yesterday I shipped a 2000$ laptop and when I got home I could not find my bill with the tracking on it. I started to panic alittle because with out the bill you have no insurace. Needless to say I found it and at least I knew it was tracked with insurance and signature req. SHipping was express and cost 62$ but that is the proper way to do it. Pcpro sent it the cheapest possible method which was no shipping at all. He still has not answered my question about how good his brand new 8800gtx is working. I am sure he used other ppls cash to buy it as he was bragging to me about his new card.

I think the point as made by all here is that the onus is on the shipper to ensure that the goods get there.

If the shipper assumes no responsibiity for the item after he receives the money then the entire burden is on the buyer who pays upfront and also is forced to absorb any losses due to loss or damaged products.

In the end pcpro has not backed his product. Even if he did send it, the entire onus has been placed on me and me alone. By him not offering to compensate for the loss he has pretty much taken the money and run. Customer service be damned, could you imagine if retailers did that.

[ca1n]

when does he get banned?

[Ryan]

After reviewing the thread, he's been banned.

[pcgeezer]

@ enviro61

I just finished reading this thread. Sorry to hear about your loss. I have dealt with him in the past and have a Canada Post shipping receipt with his Postal Code when I sent him a HDD. I just PM'ed you with it.

Good luck.

[Rai_Polo]

I wonder if the postal code can help now tho..

[enviro61]

Nah I fought pretty hard with it.

What they did say though is all postal outlets by law have to keep receipts and copies on hand for 1 year. They suggested that pcpro go into the outlet and tell them what day he sent it and they would have a copy of the receipt with the item number for tracking purposes.

This came straight from the horses mouth and CPost said this can be done but of course requires a bit of leg work at the local postal outlet.

[ca1n]

Good job!Banned a loser that got away with a decent members cash.
I knew it from the monent he wanted to buy my card he was a child and should not be trading.
Did you get a card yet?
Pm me how much you have to spend.
I will look on my the other forums in the us for you.

[sidshock]

ahaha... we have another internet superstar here eh? Listen champ, i went through at least 3-4 pages of the same crap. You want to participate in some sort of confrontation, go pick a fight in real life you joke. I think this thread was created to help get advice and I am providing it. You however and getting off on this sort of crap... You have WAY too much time on your hands. :)

you are an idiot.. sorry, but that is fact.
PCPRO refuses to give his postal code and time he sent the card out from what location, so Enviro can do all the calling and work.....

why? ^^^^

done!

[ivo]

you are an idiot.. sorry, but that is fact.
PCPRO refuses to give his postal code and time he sent the card out from what location, so Enviro can do all the calling and work.....

why? ^^^^

done!


Hey clown, this has been over with for a while now. I’m happy it got resolved. However, I am more disappointed that this board lost a member who decided to rip off a fellow RFD user...

Now lay off you joke...I have more important things to do than to start this whole internet drama show for you ladies again...

[enviro61]

Update:

Still no card and I purchased a new one; XFX 7950 GX2 for $340 locally so that was a solid price.

Received an email or two from pcpro and he felt we both suffered losses; his the banning and me the cash. He may or may not look into it further but I am not holding onto hope and have moved on. Even if he did send it and it does get returned to him, I can't imagine him sending it out as he would justify in his own mind that he endured hardships throughout this that equates to the $240.

You can all draw your own conclusions as to whether or not this is someone you want to do business with. I imagine he will be back as someone else if he isn't already. I do have all of his personal information (provided to me by others as he offered up nothing), home and cell and address. I have no desire to pursue this any longer as I have other things to focus on in life and this has consumed enough time.

Safe trading all...

enviro61

[FlintBlade]

Enviro, you're being way to leniant. There should be no exceptions. He should not be allowed to come back on the forums at all. He should not be allowed to trade with anyone on these forums.

He ONLY "suffered" a loss because he chose too. He's the one that didn't send out the card or refund you the cash. He obviously didn't have the intentions of ever sending the card. He obviously had the intentions of scamming somebody. He wasn't expecting to get banned apparently. But he did. HE still owes you $240, and should pay you.

[ivo]

I agree.... If he wont reason with you, then I believe you should consider small claims... It would cost you a little less than the card, in which you would win back your cash anyways... Again, if he made no attempt to reason with you, take him down.

[enviro61]

Give him a call; I am sure he would love to hear from all of you :)

[7jaii]

I agree.... If he wont reason with you, then I believe you should consider small claims...Again, if he made no attempt to reason with you, take him down.

That's right, now that we know his info and his courses at York University it's just a matter of time he 'fesses up'. Scammers don't deserve sympathy.

[enviro61]

Well well well it seems we have been a bit of an inconvenience to Andre Tavares and his home.

It's called the shoe being on the other foot and you had it coming.

I doubt you will find much sympathy but it was nice to hear from you again. Amazing how I don't hear from you for a week and then a few calls to you and your home and suddenly I get an email.

Refund the coin.

[FlintBlade]

Well well well it seems we have been a bit of an inconvenience to Andre Tavares and his home.

It's called the shoe being on the other foot and you had it coming.

I doubt you will find much sympathy but it was nice to hear from you again. Amazing how I don't hear from you for a week and then a few calls to you and your home and suddenly I get an email.

Refund the coin.

I'll give him a call tonight as well if he does not refund you the money.

[Ryan]

Removed the contact info.

Harassing him will probably just you in trouble with the cops.

[7jaii]

Removed the contact info.

Harassing him will probably just you in trouble with the cops.
pcpro & enviro61 shouldn't worry about police involvement if this deal was legit. RFDers have to look after our own since it was members here who tracked down pcpro. How could enviro track down Andre if members didn't band together? I wish MODs could help more to prevent scams right from the start.

[enviro61]

I have had a few conversations with the police. One a very good friend and the fraud unit. The Fraud unit honestly states that these are buyer beware issues and it is up to the moderators etc. to police themselves.

I am sure they don't mean setting up a mock jury of course but if you look at ebay and other places they do not really involve the police in most cases is my understanding.

I know Ryan has been helpful in this case and I appreciate it. I don't have much leverage against pcpro except that I can make his info public and cause him a disturbance until he acknowledges the problem. He refuses to accept fault in this at all and only now that his life has been a bit inconvenienced did I have some leverage in getting him to share the loss.

This kid has been 100% uncooperative and would not share any of his info and he never offered to return any money to me. It is through the RFD community that I was able to get some info on him and make him sweat a bit.

[ca1n]

they guy still lives at home with his mommy. Does no one live near this guy?

[enviro61]

I have looked at the possibility of Small Claims court but it has to take place in the home City of the Defendant. That makes it unfeasable economically speaking for me given that even if I won I would have to take time off work and pay for gas etc to get to T.O.

[ca1n]

You add the gas and the days work when taking him to court.

[enviro61]

You think I can do that? I would be interested to know if that would work. Really though losing a day of holidays for myself and my girlfriend is quite a cost. Maybe it could fall under some other type of leave so we don't have to use vacation leave. I will have to see in the little gov't greenbook what that would fall under.

I did ask him for a refund and his response was "No Chance". That is the end of our communication so he is pretty much a p.o.s person in my books and I wish nothing but misery upong him :)

[tadabomb]

same city?:?:

[_Allan_]

get a person who lives inTO, from RFD and offer them some cash to "represent" you. Don't have to be a lawyer, just someone who belives you envrio ... you paid $240 for the card, offer someone $75 to be your 'representative' ... haha... they get the money back and a cheque made to you and mail it that day or next.

That's what a friend in the US did. Got another of our friends to represent him in a similar case in London, ONT.

[sweetladdy]

just a kid eh??

[enviro61]

just a kid eh??

Well 21 or so would be my guess. So, tehcnically he is an adult but has the ethical integrity of a juvenile delinquent.

I spent an hour or so yesterday looking online at bring it to small claims court. There are some upfront fees for filing which I would have to pay and would possibly get reimbursed if I won but no guarantee. I really can't see me losing this case if it went to court. Honestly, the main and only reason I would do it is that this guy is such an irresponsible azz with ZERO moral character.

I just can't imagine him assuming a position of leadership or responsibility in this world and he is destined to be a deadbeat. If nothing else I would like to shake him up by going to court so maybe he can develop an ounce of self-worth and respect.