If you were a manager/employer/HR, would you hire a muslim?

[george benjamin]

Hello,

If you were a manager/employer/HR, would you hire a muslim?

Please be honest.

Please explain.

Thanks.


IMPORTANT NOTE FOR MODS

If i could kindly ask you not to move this too political/religous section please. I want to get an honest opinion from normal people, not people who visit that section.
Thanks dudes.

[YnD]

According to law, you cannot discriminate on the base of religion or race.

So it all depends on their qualifications IMO.

[george benjamin]

Thank you YnD. You are correct.

But this happens all the time. It happens with muslim, blacks, many people.

But i wanted to get the general idea of people on here.

For some reason, i just feel everyone is against the muslims. They are in the news every single day.

[LazyBoi]

George Benjamin is right, the law says one thing, but inside each of us, we do weigh these differences. And no, it does not only happen to Muslims, it affects all visible minorities.

I think that being female in a certain profession, for example, also has a affect too.

Here is something else to think about: most of today's senior management positions are taken by White males.

[alysomji]

Most of the time you can't tell if the person is Muslim or Hindu or Christian or Jewish...or Atheist...or...whatever

[george benjamin]

Most of the time you can't tell if the person is Muslim or Hindu or Christian or Jewish...or Atheist...or...whatever

Does Muhammad Yusuf al-Hajj give it away?

[mystical2003]

When I am hiring I can honestly say I create no Bias. Honestly I generally skip the name on the resume and go right to the qualifications, only get to the name when I pass the resume to HR for them to call the person in for an interview. Names can be very misleading. The IT Admin I hired turned out to be a male. From the name I thought it would be a Female. I'm from British decent he is from Bangladesh.

As long as you can do the job you are fine with me.

[3weddings]

Funny you should ask, because I just received some job postings from a HH and in it she specified Any software (database or data transfer) Business Analyst experience will be considered if you have exceptional English communication skills.

Our last name is Asian, we are not however in any way shape or form. DH has lost out on many interviews b/c of this and many an interviewer has asked him for ID once he presented himself, as they were expecting an Asian applicant. I have even had one HH insist she had met him before...lol...and make a total fool of herself when she described him!!

IMO it is ridiculous in this day and age that so many companies are profiling, whether it be at a personal interviewers level or corporate. I would love to partake in a sting to teach each and everyone of these companies a lesson.

Unfortunately it does exist, in this volatile world that we are raising our children in.

[Thanh]

Once you get burned on multiple occasions then you might start profiling. An applicant is a package and in some case, it might come with a cultural background that a recruiter might not feel comfortable about.

I've had interviews where I've felt like I had been discriminated but I did not made a big fuss about it. You just move on to the next job.

[weedb0y]

I would but I totally agree that there is a bias out there.

[trusoulja2g]

"Fit" within a company culture is important. I'd say that in a city like Toronto, most employers aren't discriminating purely on race or religion. But if one's behaviour and habits are going to alienate them from their coworkers, that's not an ideal employee. I work with people of all races and religions - but everybody acts pretty much the same at work, so it's never an issue.

Other thing to consider: if an employer is discriminatory, you probably don't want to work there anyway.

[charliebrown]

I think with some companies or specific departments, the department heads choose to hire from ethnic minorities to boost their diversity scores

[Topher]

I wouldn't ask their religion, specifically to prevent myself from being biased. I have known, and worked with quite a few muslims over the years, and never had any bad experiences. In fact, I've always found them quite pleasant and friendly. Not once have they even mentioned anything about their religion. (Well, once - a part-time co-worker asked not to work during Ramadan, but not for religious reasons. He told us that since he can't eat during the day, he would be cranky and irritated very easily, and would not do well as it was a sales position.)

That being said, I'm sad to say that in today's world, I'm not sure how I would feel about a muslim applicant. Just the fact that I have to think about it more than usual, indicates to me that I may have bias, but only out of fear. I'm at least honest enough to admit it, but I'm certainly not proud of it.

[pennysaver]

Personal experience - Always hire the best candidate. Then again I am a visibile minority.

[Marlek]

Hello,

If you were a manager/employer/HR, would you hire a muslim?


Given that it is illegal in Canada to ask the religion of the person in question during an interview, how would you know, necessarily?

[direct-x]

Funny you should ask, because I just received some job postings from a HH and in it she specified

Our last name is Asian, we are not however in any way shape or form. DH has lost out on many interviews b/c of this and many an interviewer has asked him for ID once he presented himself, as they were expecting an Asian applicant. I have even had one HH insist she had met him before...lol...and make a total fool of herself when she described him!!

IMO it is ridiculous in this day and age that so many companies are profiling, whether it be at a personal interviewers level or corporate. I would love to partake in a sting to teach each and everyone of these companies a lesson.

Unfortunately it does exist, in this volatile world that we are raising our children in.

I don't see how asking for "excellent english communication skills" is a problem or amounts to profiling. It is a valid job requirement.

Am I missing something?

[mattpiloto]

I would hire a muslim, as long as he/she is the best candidate for the position I am looking for.

[bionicbadger]

Given that it is illegal in Canada to ask the religion of the person in question during an interview, how would you know, necessarily?

Yeah I'm curious too, unless they stick it in their resume under hobbies or something.....

[Mulder and Scully]

I would hire a Muslim, but I wouldn't hire george benjamin.

[skyblue12]

i don't think anybody should ever discriminate other people because of their religion or race.

my question to the OP is, what's wrong with hiring a muslim? there are MANY MANY people who are more qualified than others, and there is no correlation between their qualifications and their religious beliefs.

althought i'm not implying that the OP is in any way discriminating against a person of a different religious belief, i just want to know the purpose of this thread.

[lint]

I prefer to work with people of similar backgrounds to me. Too many times I have embarrassed myself for not knowing what is improper in front of some people.
Stuff like calling a black guy a bad boy.
Mild sexist jokes with women present.
Religious jokes with JW's.
People who smell of ethnic cooking.
Every Jamacian guy I've worked with boasts of sexual exploits in detail.
Every arab I've worked with are manipulative.
I had to explain what "a.k.a" (also known as) means to russian ladies on several ocassions. They probably thought of some assult rifle.
The list is endless and geting worse with time.

To answer the question, no I wouldn't hire an arab muslim but would one who doesnt' look or act muslim - if that makes any sense.

I don't consider myself racist but do prefer my race. Its interesting to visit foreign countries but its nice to come home to the familiar.

This reply is simply priceless. You make racist and sexist jokes, stereotype visible minorities, complain about having to explain north american lexicon to a foreigner, followed by another racist joke about assault rifles. Proclain that you wouldn't hire someone that looks or acts muslim.

And then you have the nerve to conclude that you're not racist. Do you even understand what the term means? Not only are you racist, you're in denial as well.

[Topher]

^^ I don't believe this thread is to encourage discrimination, at least that's not how I took it. (I could be wrong) It seems many people here did take it that way though. I think OP was just trying to see what the public perception is, and whether or not, in the current world, if people would feel discriminatory based on a person's religion.

I've never, ever had a personal problem with a muslim in my lifetime, although I did live in a predominantly muslim neighbourhood at the time of 9/11. They didn't know I was an American, and I heard some of the things they said that chilled my blood. I couldn't wait to get my family as far away from there as possible. Needless to say, I don't consider myself racist (I'm married to an Asian, fwiw), but I would avoid being around them for the above reason.

[3weddings]

I don't see how asking for "excellent english communication skills" is a problem or amounts to profiling. It is a valid job requirement.

Am I missing something?

When it is repeated 12 (I counted times in an email it is). DH is contracting with the government at this time and each and all three agencies commented on his not being Asian when he faxed his ID to them for his Security Clearance...this is at the middle man level.

So indeed in the IT field it IS out there...how else could you read it.

All emails come to me, as he contracts through my company and I have a Euro last name, when presenting him, I got THAT email back. Looks like a subtle hint to me!!

[3weddings]

I don't consider myself racist but do prefer my race. Its interesting to visit foreign countries but its nice to come home to the familiar.


I can't believe that there still people out there with that mindset. I recently resigned from Admin at a women's website over comments by numerous American mods along those lines. Do you not realize how ingnorant that sounds?

[george benjamin]

i don't think anybody should ever discriminate other people because of their religion or race.

my question to the OP is, what's wrong with hiring a muslim? there are MANY MANY people who are more qualified than others, and there is no correlation between their qualifications and their religious beliefs.

althought i'm not implying that the OP is in any way discriminating against a person of a different religious belief, i just want to know the purpose of this thread.

Hello SkyBlue,

Im just trying to see if im paraniod.

[rdarkman68]

I run a development team of about 150. To decide whether someone is hire or not. I only consider my observation during the interview to project his/her future performance. That's all I think about during hiring.

So to answer your question, absolutely I would. But the chance of that happening is equal no matter what skin color or religion.

Some of our best team members are from all over the world and follow many different religions including muslim

[Neovingian]

This reply is simply priceless. You make racist and sexist jokes, stereotype visible minorities, complain about having to explain north american lexicon to a foreigner, followed by another racist joke about assault rifles. Proclain that you wouldn't hire someone that looks or acts muslim.

And then you have the nerve to conclude that you're not racist. Do you even understand what the term means? Not only are you racist, you're in denial as well....Not only that sv, never makes mention of his own race that he's so comfortable to be around? Lets assume that he's not any of the above races or ethnicites he mentioned.

He's the worst kind of racist, since he too far gone to even realize what he is.

Having lived in 4 countries I appreciate this country more for its diversity, There prolly isn't any other place quite like CANADA. I find things get boring quick & you limit your experiences & limit your what you can learn by you associate yourself with 1 race/ethnic group.

[squall458]

Just for illustrative purposes, the president of York University is now an Egyptian Muslim....That's right, YORK UNIVERSITY!

[Everytime I turn around]

Yes, because it's the year 2007 and we live in Canada.
I love diversity!
Filipina accents are cute
Russian people speaking english is hilarious because they talk slow
!!!!
:arrowu:

[bokep]

I think the question should be, why wouldn't you hire a Muslim? As long as they are qualified for the job and seem to be the type of person that you're looking for there shouldn't be a problem hiring them.

[CharmyPoo]

Names can be very misleading. The IT Admin I hired turned out to be a male.

I have been surprised a few times by the name. Who would have thought Alexis was a guy's name :)

[heavyweight]

I think that prejudice in terms of hiring is slowly moving out of the workplace as a younger generation of managers are beginning to take over. Personally, I do not know anyone in charge of hiring who would not hire someone based on ethnicity but I am well aware that there are many people out there who do this whether is it consciously or unconsciously.

I feel that many people are looked down upon simply for being "too young" in many industries.

[mascot]

I don't see how asking for "excellent english communication skills" is a problem or amounts to profiling. It is a valid job requirement.

Am I missing something?

It's a subjective requirement that opens itself up for abuse. At what point does an applicant have (or fall short of) "excellent english communication skills"? When they have just a hint of an accent? When they can't quote Shakespeare?

Unless they're looking for TOEFL scores or something, "excellent" english skills can be whatever the employer makes it out to be.

[heavyweight]

I think most employers concerned with "excellent communication skills" are looking for how well you can get your message across and negotiation skill, how well you form sentences, how you control the tone of your voice, whether you can carry on a conversation without stuttering or getting off track....These are the basic elements of communication skills versus having an accent or not.

For example if and employer is hiring for a sales position the best candidate must have these skills....and accent is irrelevant to whether or not one can possess these skills.

[metro]

I prefer to work with people of similar backgrounds to me. Too many times I have embarrassed myself for not knowing what is improper in front of some people.
Stuff like calling a black guy a bad boy.
Mild sexist jokes with women present.
Religious jokes with JW's.
People who smell of ethnic cooking.
Every Jamacian guy I've worked with boasts of sexual exploits in detail.
Every arab I've worked with are manipulative.
I had to explain what "a.k.a" (also known as) means to russian ladies on several ocassions. They probably thought of some assult rifle.
The list is endless and geting worse with time.

To answer the question, no I wouldn't hire an arab muslim but would one who doesnt' look or act muslim - if that makes any sense.

I don't consider myself racist but do prefer my race. Its interesting to visit foreign countries but its nice to come home to the familiar.

If you are white... you are an embarrassment to our race. You basically verify that us white people are inherent racists. If you aren't white, your an embarrassment to whatever ethnicity you are.

What is the point about hiring people? Hire the best man/woman for the job. I don't give a **** if you look like you crawled out of the Welland Canal, if your the best for the job then you are fine. Who you are, what do you, and how you think is your business.

[metro]

...Not only that sv, never makes mention of his own race that he's so comfortable to be around? Lets assume that he's not any of the above races or ethnicites he mentioned.

He's the worst kind of racist, since he too far gone to even realize what he is.

Having lived in 4 countries I appreciate this country more for its diversity, There prolly isn't any other place quite like CANADA. I find things get boring quick & you limit your experiences & limit your what you can learn by you associate yourself with 1 race/ethnic group.

Very well said. Much respect to you on this.


Yes, because it's the year 2007 and we live in Canada.
I love diversity!
Filipina accents are cute
Russian people speaking english is hilarious because they talk slow
!!!!
:arrowu:

Filipina accents are hot...

[weedb0y]

ignorance is no excuse.

[blue_xii]

Yes I would hire a Muslim.

[ian1386]

It's a subjective requirement that opens itself up for abuse. At what point does an applicant have (or fall short of) "excellent english communication skills"? When they have just a hint of an accent? When they can't quote Shakespeare?

Unless they're looking for TOEFL scores or something, "excellent" english skills can be whatever the employer makes it out to be.

Of course it's a subjective requirement, but almost EVERYTHING is a subjective requirement. The entire hiring process is subjective, and is at mercy of the person(s) conducting the interview.

I would hire any race/religion, as long as they are able to confidently and clearly read, write, and speak english. I have worked with many people who don't have english as a first language and their communication skills just weren't up to par with that of a native english speaker.

If a muslim and a white person came in with otherwise identical skills, but the white person had better english communication skills (reading/writing/speaking), I would not consider it racism by any means to hire the white person.

[weedb0y]

Of course it's a subjective requirement, but almost EVERYTHING is a subjective requirement. The entire hiring process is subjective, and is at mercy of the person(s) conducting the interview.

I would hire any race/religion, as long as they are able to confidently and clearly read, write, and speak english. I have worked with many people who don't have english as a first language and their communication skills just weren't up to par with that of a native english speaker.

If a muslim and a white person came in with otherwise identical skills, but the white person had better english communication skills (reading/writing/speaking), I would not consider it racism by any means to hire the white person.

Funny thing is that there are white blonde muslims as well. lol I hope you mean anyone who can speak english would be your preference. Religion is different than race. There are christians/jews of colour as well and vice versa.

[don242]

In my last job, my department had a large diversity of different cultures in that one group. Not once did I ever question their ability because of religion or ethnicity. Each one was a value for what they contributed based on their background, experience and qualifications. They were the best for the positions they held. Not only did I benefit from their expertise but also from learning about different cultures and religions. I found some of the ideas strange and didn't agree with my own beliefs but I respected their beliefs and found them interesting.

[iamfat]

Not sure if this is related, but according to one Big 4 recruiter (accounting), I asked why there were so many visible minorities he hired, his reply: "because they work the hardest so I get my moneys worth". Take it for what it is. :|


And of course, you get the standard reply, "I don't hire based on skin colour or religious background, I only hire the best out there. And if it turns out ____ are the best, so be it."

[bodzan]

Most of the time you can't tell if the person is Muslim or Hindu or Christian or Jewish...or Atheist...or...whatever


Your point is?

People like to generalize; ie. put everyone on the same boat regardless of what their backgorund is. Just how many times do you see people refering to asians as "chinese"? Hope you get my point now!

[formalentity]

I prefer to work with people of similar backgrounds to me. Too many times I have embarrassed myself for not knowing what is improper in front of some people.
Stuff like calling a black guy a bad boy.
Mild sexist jokes with women present.
Religious jokes with JW's.
People who smell of ethnic cooking.
Every Jamacian guy I've worked with boasts of sexual exploits in detail.
Every arab I've worked with are manipulative.
I had to explain what "a.k.a" (also known as) means to russian ladies on several ocassions. They probably thought of some assult rifle.
The list is endless and geting worse with time.

To answer the question, no I wouldn't hire an arab muslim but would one who doesnt' look or act muslim - if that makes any sense.

I don't consider myself racist but do prefer my race. Its interesting to visit foreign countries but its nice to come home to the familiar.

Your a moron :razz: straight up. Yeah I would hire a muzzi probably because I am muslim.. I don't look it though so I guess i got it good lol j/k.. and to the person who says he wouldn't hire a muslim and says it isn't racist that is racist imo, **** I would hire anyone from a Jew-Chinese whatever, I'm not the type of person who would let faith/race come into choosing the most qualified person.. And I mean if your really honestly worried about someone self destructing at work, you need to take a break from the Media :P. Anyways i got lots of luv n respect for everyone that isn't racist.. I mean we In Canada, there are sooo many different kinds of people and have soo much to offer like the fine women :P, I luv hot "foreign women", if there was racism we wouldn't be able to enjoy something like that.. Anyways my point is respect everyone :cheesygri

[ukhan]

Being a very religious muslim myself, I feel I have to respond to this thread. I have a beard, wear a cap, pray five times a day, yet during my recent grad interview search, I was very successful. I received many interviews with top companies, as well as offers. I was even honest and not afraid to hide that in my spare time I like to help out at the mosque, etc. I've even told a partner who interviewed me for a job in one of the big-4 that I take time out during the work day to go and pray. Instead of having that be a negative, I turned it around into a positive by showing how I am very organized, and have good time management skills such that this aspect of my life has never affected my productivity. People value the fact that people have their own commitments, regardless of if it is religious, as long as they can balance work and life.

The point of my post is that you are searching for jobs and being interviewed to prove your fit in the company as well as how good of a candidate you are. When I was searching for jobs, everyone I interviewed looked passed my beard and my muslim background and saw my hard-working nature, my skills, my interest, as well as my suitability in the company.

Regardless the race/religion, one should always strive to bring out his/her fit for the company in any way shape or form, as most employers will in fact recognize your fit and will not ignore you due to race. Yes there are some that are biased, but in my experience they are very few. However if they are biased, why would you want to work for them anyways? I personally would rather work for a company that finds diversity attractive and values skill and what's inside, rather than what is outside.

[diabolical7]

people hire based on ability, if an employer hires you based on ethnicity and all that mumble jumbo obviously they aren't the right place to work for

[Thanh]

Semantics 101: islam is a religion not a race so not hiring someone based on their religious beliefs can't be racism.

Tall people tend to be generally more successfull than smaller people. Should smaller people cry like babies about discrimination ??? The bottom line is that life is not always fair.

[formalentity]

Semantics 101: islam is a religion not a race so not hiring someone based on their religious beliefs can't be racism.

Tall people tend to be generally more successfull than smaller people. Should smaller people cry like babies about discrimination ??? The bottom line is that life is not always fair.

So you'd be fairly comfy if I dissed or brought down your religion? What if you went to look for a job at some new country just for instance and they didn't hire people of your religion you consider that not racist?? your an idiot.

One of the many definitions of racist:
racist
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion

Source : dictionary.com

notice "Religion"

What I don't understand is why wouldn't you hire a Muslim/Jew/Christian or whatever religion your not too fond of? :confused:

[Thanh]

So you'd be fairly comfy if I dissed or brought down your religion? What if you went to look for a job at some new country just for instance and they didn't hire people of your religion you consider that not racist?? your an idiot.

One of the many definitions of racist:
racist
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
Source : dictionary.com
notice "Religion"

What I don't understand is why wouldn't you hire a Muslim/Jew/Christian or whatever religion your not too fond of? :confused:

If religion was important to me, I wouldn't move in a country where I feel my religion is "dissed" or "brought down" as you say it. Face it, hiring decisions are never fair. One guy had an undergrad degree and was hired while another guy had an MBA and wasn't hired. Should he complain about education discrimination ? That being said, there's no need to call me an idiot simply because I disagree with you.

[Topher]

One guy had an undergrad degree and was hired while another guy had an MBA and wasn't hired. Should he complain about education discrimination ?

Too much of that going on in Canada now as it is. Trust me, it sucks.

[Sonbuster]

why not? if i feel the individual would be a great asset to the team go for it.

[rdarkman68]

people hire based on ability, if an employer hires you based on ethnicity and all that mumble jumbo obviously they aren't the right place to work for

Good point.... its not worth it to work in those place.

[djphat]

Well I only skimmed through few pages.... I'm thinking this thread is pretty useless. The OP should have been more specific and asked people for any possible reasons that would turn them away from hiring muslim persons... assuming that it will create no argument or discrimination.

I honestly don't know much and I've never been in a position to make such judgment but here are some examples

- body odour
- they need a praying room
- they don't wear socks
- they wear skirts to work

I just made them up.

[Kohanz]

IMHO, this thread shows, more than anything else, how lowly Muslims are viewed in the public eye. The fact that it's even be "rationally" debated is astounding. I realize the vast majority of posters have responded correctly (i.e. one should not hire based upon race or religion), but the fact that the question is even being given the diginity of "thought-out" responses just blows my mind.

In another time, you could get away with replacing the term "Muslims" in the title with "Jews" or "Blacks", but if you had tried that today, I predict the OP would either get severely flamed or the thread would be instantly locked (or a combination of both), but it would not have been "civilly" discussed as it has been. The only other minority, currently, who I think you could replace the term "Muslims" with in the thread title and have the same results is "Gays" or "Homosexuals". They get about the same amount (lack) of respect from the general public.

Please don't interpret this as trying to judge individual posters in this thread, it is more of a general observation on public sentiment brought on mostly, IMHO, by conditioning from the media. Due to recent events, Muslims have become the socially acceptable group to treat with less respect or dignity, in the past it has been other groups. It's just interesting to observe.

[weedb0y]

IMHO, this thread shows, more than anything else, how lowly Muslims are viewed in the public eye. The fact that it's even be "rationally" debated is astounding. I realize the vast majority of posters have responded correctly (i.e. one should not hire based upon race or religion), but the fact that the question is even being given the diginity of "thought-out" responses just blows my mind.

In another time, you could get away with replacing the term "Muslims" in the title with "Jews" or "Blacks", but if you had tried that today, I predict the OP would either get severely flamed or the thread would be instantly locked (or a combination of both), but it would not have been "civilly" discussed as it has been. The only other minority, currently, who I think you could replace the term "Muslims" with in the thread title and have the same results is "Gays" or "Homosexuals". They get about the same amount (lack) of respect from the general public.

Please don't interpret this as trying to judge individual posters in this thread, it is more of a general observation on public sentiment brought on mostly, IMHO, by conditioning from the media. Due to recent events, Muslims have become the socially acceptable group to treat with less respect or dignity, in the past it has been other groups. It's just interesting to observe.

Very well said.

[formalentity]

when you think about it theres only one type of person/race bashing all these foreigners :lol:

[Topher]

IMHO, this thread shows, more than anything else, how lowly Muslims are viewed in the public eye.

Agreed. Now the big question: Why is it that way? Media coverage? governments? racial profiling? And what minority group is next?

when you think about it theres only one type of person/race bashing all these foreigners

I've seen racism towards all colours/religions and from all colours/religions. I've found certain ethnicities to be typically worse than others, and no, I'm not even referring to the white Anglo-Saxon protestant heterosexual males either.

[Kohanz]

I don't see anything wrong with discussing the subject.

george benjamin wonders if he will be discriminated against
= I think that he doesn't have to worry about it

maybe Muslims, gays, Chinese, blacks and Jewish get bashed / dissed the most.

Chinese don't seem to have trouble getting jobs.

I'm just saying that you hear a lot of dissing towards Chinese or China.

:arrow:

Okay, start a thread with the same title, except asking people whether they would hire a "Jew" or a "Black person" and if you get the same civil discourse in your thread, then I will admit that you are right and I was wrong.

[Muncher]

I'm a visible minority. Believe me, Canada is less racist or discriminatory against other religions than a lot of other countries. Look at the churches of the various Christian denominations, the mosques, the Hindu temples, the Buddhist temples, and others I can't name.

Would you find the same freedom of religion in India or Iran or China? The percentage of mosques or temples here outweigh the Christian churches in Saudi Arabia for example.

The demographics in my home country sure don't reflect the mix of races that are working in offices here (Toronto).

[Kohanz]

Believe me, Canada is less racist or discriminatory against other religions than a lot of other countries.

Is this supposed to be surprising?

[Audiogenic]

I'm a visible minority. Believe me, Canada is less racist or discriminatory against other religions than a lot of other countries. Look at the churches of the various Christian denominations, the mosques, the Hindu temples, the Buddhist temples, and others I can't name. Would you find the same freedom of religion in India or Iran or China? The percentage of mosques or temples here outweigh the Christian churches in Saudi Arabia for example. The demographics in my home country sure don't reflect the mix of races that are working in offices here (Toronto).

Outside of the GTA , Montreal and Vancouver, however, it's a totally different story...

[Thanh]

Outside of the GTA , Montreal and Vancouver, however, it's a totally different story...

So ? Is that bad that there's less multiculturality outside of these cities you mentionned ? I mean, like it or not, this country was built by people of french and british descent, not by indian or chinese.

Multiculturalism has a good side but there's also a bad side and we're just starting to see it !

[formalentity]

That's true.




about 2 years ago, there was an experiment in United States to see if people with black sounding names (example- Lakeesha) would face discrimination when applying for the job.

the result was yes, people with black sounding names were more often rejected than people with white sounding names.

several "ethnic" actors / actresses / singers changed their names to WASPY or English sounding names (more common years ago but not so much now) so some people believe that there is prejudice towards ethnic names

:arrow:

I think that applies to brown ppl aswell.. and perhaps even Asian..

[Kohanz]

That's true.




about 2 years ago, there was an experiment in United States to see if people with black sounding names (example- Lakeesha) would face discrimination when applying for the job.

the result was yes, people with black sounding names were more often rejected than people with white sounding names.

several "ethnic" actors / actresses / singers changed their names to WASPY or English sounding names (more common years ago but not so much now) so some people believe that there is prejudice towards ethnic names

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I'm not exactly sure if that's a reply to what I said or not. It doesn't really address what I said. I am not at all disputing that almost all minorities are discriminated against in one form of another, however, usually this discrimination is anonymous, and anyone found guilty of it is generally looked down upon.

Therefore, my prediction, which still stands, is that if you started the same thread about blacks or Jews, that you would be faced with an overwhelming response that would question the very premise of the thread. You would be flamed or the thread would be locked, or both. Because everyone is currently in agreement that discrimination against blacks or Jews is wrong, even though a few decades ago, that agreement did not exist.

We are now witnessing the same thing with Muslims. This thread has not been attacked in that way. It is apparently acceptable to discuss whether one would discriminate against Muslims, it almost lends credence to the idea that discriminating against a Muslim is an acceptable option!