Boxing Day/Week HDTV Deals thread

[parry]

Maybe we could discuss the TV deals here..

[fitbrit]

I'm going nuts trying to get the perfect TV.
I have an HTPC and plan on gaming and using the screen for web surfing from my couch too. So I need the following:

1080p
No burn-in issues
50" +
No lamps or moving parts.

The LCDs e.g. Sharp 52" are still too pricey. DLPs look great for the price, but most manufacturers have lamp issues, or colour wheel related problems.
The one model that's readily available in the U.S.A. that fits all of the above is the Samsung HL-S5679w, a DLP that uses LEDs instead of a colour wheel and lamp. Good luck finding someone in Canada that has it. (If anyone knows of a dealer in Montreal, please let me know).

FutureShop and BestBuy are crap for my needs. BB in teh US has had the tv I want for months, but not a peep over here- just the same tired old tvs week after week.

/end rant

[Firestorm]

I'm hoping to find a good 32" or 37" at around $500.

[booboi]

Question:
Best brand out there, which would it be?: Sony, Sharp, Toshiba, Hitachi, Pioneer, Panasonic, etc...

Sony i am in love, but is it worth the price?
Want it to be the latest and greatest as possible cause not going to be buying another tv in YEARSSSS
I am looking for a 46" LCD TV. I am looking at sony currently because the images just look so sharp in them (and for the future i am getting a ps3, currently have the wii now).
Has to be 1080p. Do not know what else is important to look for.

[Traian2003]

I'm hoping to find a good 32" or 37" at around $500.


Me too. Maybe a 32 Sharp for 699.:cheesygri

[BillsFan]

I'm looking at a 50" Plasma (Panasonic/Sony/Pioneer) for <1500$...might be wishful thinking at this point.

[fiendy]

I'm looking at a 50" Plasma (Panasonic/Sony/Pioneer) for <1500$...might be wishful thinking at this point.

I'd like to sh*t gold...



Ooh, ooh I know this one!
Name two things that won't happen.


A 42" probably.

[parry]

Me too. Maybe a 32 Sharp for 699.:cheesygri

That can easily happen. Sharp may promote their 37" in the range of $1200 or so.

[Vertigo]

That can easily happen. Sharp may promote their 37" in the range of $1200 or so.
Mm... Now that would be hot! ^^

[Jag]

After seeing the Soyo at Sams Club thread I was hoping we'd see some sub 500 dollar 32" HDTV screens

[BD006]

I'm looking at a 50" Plasma (Panasonic/Sony/Pioneer) for <1500$...might be wishful thinking at this point.

Might take you a long time to find a Sony plasma. ;)

[JayTee1]

There's a black LG 42" LCD HDTV over @ 2001 Audio/Video for $1650.

It seems like a pretty good deal to me. Dunno how it compares to the rest of your finds though.

BTW. It's part of their boxing day sale which is going on now.

[pennywize]

I'm hoping to find a good 32" or 37" at around $500.

Same here, man. I almost jumped on the Soyo 32" LCD at Sam's Club...but want to wait until boxing day/week.

[kvn]

32" for 500 can easily happen no doubt.. but not sure about the 37'' though.. in case you guys are interested.. i was being told by my co-worker that japan and korea are both trying to lift up the price for LCDTV.. reason for that... they want to make more out of us... ~ don't know if it is true though.. if it is.. it is bad news for people like us who want to get a LCDTV this x'mas...

[kkl1208]

Anyone know a good website for LCD/Plasma tv reviews?

[jeremy31]

Im looking also,, im gonna buy the 37" viewsonic from Costco but i have to wait for boxing day..


I'm hoping to find a good 32" or 37" at around $500.

[prez34]

Check out AVForums.com.

LOTS of info there, and I did my research on that board asking users questions before I bought my lcd.

Anyone know a good website for LCD/Plasma tv reviews?

[manfrog]

Anyone know a good website for LCD/Plasma tv reviews?

Also check out...
http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/
http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/
http://reviews.cnet.com/Televisions/2001-6475_7-0.html?tag=glnav

Three places I used to decide on the Panny 42" 600U :cheesygri

Beautiful TV :D

[Badman]

42" LCD with 1080p is all im wishing for this boxing day:D

[Corizzle]

Me too. Maybe a 32 Sharp for 699.:cheesygri

Lower end 32" Sharp for $800 is possible but the Aquos? Unlikely

Although I would like to see the 37" Aquos for cheap since I just bought one that has a 30 day money back guarantee just in case their is a cheaper one

[Anessa]

I'm hoping to find a good 32" or 37" at around $500.

haha no name brands maybe...

[nighthawk26]

I'm looking at a 50" Plasma (Panasonic/Sony/Pioneer) for <1500$...might be wishful thinking at this point.

my friend, you are out of your ever loving mind!

[rilhouse]

hoping for any deal on a decent 37" LCD with ATSC

[nighthawk26]

hoping for any deal on a decent 37" LCD with ATSC

why on earth do you see this as a major advantage?

[doctorgonzo]

I'm hoping the Samsung LNS4041D will be available for <$1400.

It's available right now from Best Buy for $1650 with an upconverting dvd player so I think it could be possible for it to drop to <$1400. *fingers crossed*

[Spiderpal93]

Me hoping for 42" HDTV LCD for less than $1000!

[nighthawk26]

I'm hoping the Samsung LNS4041D will be available for <$1400.

It's available right now from Best Buy for $1650 with an upconverting dvd player so I think it could be possible for it to drop to <$1400. *fingers crossed*

knowing how we move this sku, if I was a betting man, I'd look to a TV like this one or possibly the LG to hit the $1499 price. Of course, this is nto a certainty.

[nighthawk26]

Me hoping for 42" HDTV LCD for less than $1000!

Now that I can guarantee will not happen. UNLESS they bring in some compete generic no name as a door crasher, but 99% sure not a chance in hell.

[aryall]

I'll be looking for the best price / value on a 42" LCD that does 1080p in Ottawa. I'd go 47" if there are good prices, but I'm not crossing my fingers.

BB's had the Toshiba 42HL196 for $2299 lately - I'm guessing that could be had for $2000 or less. I'd love something like the Sharp Aquos 46" (LC46D62U) at a good price, but I'm not holding my breath.

Being something of an Ottawa Boxing Day newb, are there any locations other than the big names (BB, FS, Audiotronic) that I'll want to include on my Boxing Day list?

[tharsan]

I'm hoping to bag a 24" - 27" HD LCDTV, for under $500 (taxes in)...

My fingers are crossed...

[rilhouse]

why on earth do you see this as a major advantage?

uhhh, free HDTV maybe?

i will not be getting rogers or bell HDTV, my main use will be Xbox360/PS3 & HD-DVD/BluRay. so it would be nice to be able to get a hand full of free OTA HD.

:D

[Super_Chicken]

I'm hoping to bag a 24" - 27" HD LCDTV, for under $500 (taxes in)...

My fingers are crossed...

I'm looking for a smaller flat screen but with 1080i or 720p. I'm willing to spend like $200-500 for like a 19"-27" Something cheap but worthwile. Hopefully I can find something.

[Rammy]

My wish is a 32" LCD HDTV with HDMI (1080i, ATSC IS not an issue) for less than $699.99

[nighthawk26]

uhhh, free HDTV maybe?

i will not be getting rogers or bell HDTV, my main use will be Xbox360/PS3 & HD-DVD/BluRay. so it would be nice to be able to get a hand full of free OTA HD.

:D

Ahhh... and where will you be getting these free signals from?

[Deton8]

Ahhh... and where will you be getting these free signals from?

Line of Sight to CN tower and an antenna.

[Firestorm]

I'm hoping to bag a 24" - 27" HD LCDTV, for under $500 (taxes in)...

My fingers are crossed...

Superstore's clearance has a Norcent 27" LCD HDTV for $200 @_@ Going on right now.

[nighthawk26]

Line of Sight to CN tower and an antenna.

Ahh you're in the GTA. How many networks are broadcasting terestrail HD? I thought city had a test for it but I thought that was about it.

[HammerTime]

Ahh you're in the GTA. How many networks are broadcasting terestrail HD? I thought city had a test for it but I thought that was about it.

http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html

[mahjongmaniac]

i'm hoping RCSS will have similar blowout deals for TVs, like the clearance deals we've just seen this past wknd in the hot deals forums... :D

[blainehamilton]

Me too. I'd love to price guarantee that 27" lcd I picked up down to $99.44 from $199.44.

:cheesygri

[rilhouse]

Ahh you're in the GTA. How many networks are broadcasting terestrail HD? I thought city had a test for it but I thought that was about it.

yes, i'm downtown & have a direct view of the CN tower.

results from another forum on OTA in Toronto with an indoor antenna:

1) WGRZ (D2) - 100% - 29.6db
2) WNLO-SD(D4) - 100% - 31.1db
WIVB-HD(D4.2)
3) CBLT(D5) - 100% - 29.5db
4) WKBW(D7) - 100% - 31.1db
5) CFTO(D9) - 100% - 29.6db
6) ??WUTV(D14) - 22% - 5.6db
7) WNLO-SD(D23) -72% - 18.6db
WIVB-HD(D23.2)
8) CBLFT-DT(D24) - 93% - 25.3db
9) WNED-HD(D43) - 86% - 23.2db
WNED-SD(D43.2)
ThinkBrite(D43.3)
10) CityHD (D53) - 100% - 29.6db
11) CKXTHD (aka Toronto1) (D66) - 100% - 27.9db
12) WUTV(D14) - 65% - 17.5db

[Steveoph]

My problem is I got the 1080p TV, but don't have the HD signal now. I was going to jump on the Starchoice deal but it deal the day before I was going to sign up lol. Anybody seen any good deals for HD TV lately? Only have basic rogers atm

[nighthawk26]

yes, i'm downtown & have a direct view of the CN tower.

results from another forum on OTA in Toronto with an indoor antenna:

1) WGRZ (D2) - 100% - 29.6db
2) WNLO-SD(D4) - 100% - 31.1db
WIVB-HD(D4.2)
3) CBLT(D5) - 100% - 29.5db
4) WKBW(D7) - 100% - 31.1db
5) CFTO(D9) - 100% - 29.6db
6) ??WUTV(D14) - 22% - 5.6db
7) WNLO-SD(D23) -72% - 18.6db
WIVB-HD(D23.2)
8) CBLFT-DT(D24) - 93% - 25.3db
9) WNED-HD(D43) - 86% - 23.2db
WNED-SD(D43.2)
ThinkBrite(D43.3)
10) CityHD (D53) - 100% - 29.6db
11) CKXTHD (aka Toronto1) (D66) - 100% - 27.9db
12) WUTV(D14) - 65% - 17.5db

Good to know... however, what the heck are half those channels?

[bobmanw]

Ahhh... and where will you be getting these free signals from?

you need an antenna and receiver that will be able to process the HD signal...
the antenna is the one that looks like a leaf raker. and well as for receivers that are non-satellite dish..i don't know about it too much....but i'm sure you can get one in any satellite shops.

[redflagger]

what's the cheapest price you guys have seen the Sharp Aquos lc37d40u go for?

[emuu101]

Good to know... however, what the heck are half those channels?

Those stations are pretty much the major networks (US and Canadian).

Like ABC, NBC, Fox, CW, City, CBS, CBC.

Can't get specialty stations like TSN or Discovery.

[etherboy]

I'm looking for a 25-32" CRT or LCD for about $500...

Where's the best place to camp out to grab a Boxing Day deal?

(No BestBuy in my area)...

[mahjongmaniac]

what's the cheapest price you guys have seen the Sharp Aquos lc37d40u go for?

search (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/search.php) RFD hot deals... and maybe your answer is there ;)

[bmw_xperience]

I want this TV:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0770HDS0010079999&catid=

is this TV new? if not when do these LCD TV's go on sale?

[raidencreed]

Cheapest 1080p prices i've seen so far (without dates - sorry) from Lower Mainland - BC. Hope this helps some people out this boxing day. Its organized by price.


Manufacturer Model Size Type Price Location Notes
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Insignia NS42LCD 42 LCD $1,700 FutureShop
Toshiba 42HL196 42 LCD $2,000 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Panasonic TH42PX60 42 Plasma $2,200 FutureShop
Toshiba 42LX196 42 LCD $2,500 A&B Sound
Samsung LNS4095D 40 LCD $2,600 London Drugs Bonus: Klipsch Reference RC52 Center Channel Speaker
Sharp LC42D62U 42 LCD $2,700 FutureShop
Toshiba 42LZ196 42 LCD $2,700 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Sony KDS50A2000 50 SXRD $2,800 Visions Bonus: Matching Stand
Sony KDL40XBR2 40 LCD $2,900 A&B Sound
Panasonic TH42PX600 42 Plasma $2,900 London Drugs Bonus: Klipsch Reference RC52 Center Channel Speaker
Toshiba 62HM196 62 DLP $2,900 FutureShop
Samsung LNS4096D 40 LCD $3,000 FutureShop
Sony KDL40V2500 40 LCD $3,000 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Panasonic TH50PX60 50 Plasma $3,000 FutureShop
JVC HD56FC97 56 ILA $3,000 FutureShop
Toshiba 62MX196 62 DLP $3,000 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Sharp LC46D62U 46 LCD $3,300 A&B Sound Bonus: $100 A&B Sound Gift Certificate
Toshiba 47LX196 47 LCD $3,300 Visions Bonus: HD DVD Player (SD4990)
Sony KDS60A2000 60 SXRD $3,500 FutureShop Bonus: Matching Stand
JVC HD61FC97 61 LCOS $3,500 FutureShop
Samsung LNS4695D 46 LCD $3,700 BestBuy Bonus: 5.1 Surround Sound Home Theatre System
Samsung LNS4696D 46 LCD $3,700 FutureShop
Sony KDL46V2500 46 LCD $3,700 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Toshiba 47LZ196 47 LCD $3,700 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Toshiba 72HM196 72 DLP $4,000 BestBuy
Toshiba 72MX196 72 DLP $4,000 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Sharp LC52D62U 52 LCD $4,200 FutureShop
Sony KDL46XBR2 46 LCD $4,500 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD Movies
Sony KDSR60XBR2 60 SXRD $5,000 FutureShop

[Phreeze]

Cheapest 1080p prices i've seen so far (without dates - sorry) from Lower Mainland - BC. Hope this helps some people out this boxing day. Its organized by price.

You forgot:

Acer AT3705-DTV 37 LCD $1200 TheSource
Westinghouse LVM-37W1 37 LCD $1000 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42 LCD $1700 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-47W1 47 LCD $2800 BestBuy

;)

[shneebs]

How about the Samsung HL-S5087W (50" 1080p DLP) currently on for $2248 at TheBrick.com?

http://thebrick.com/Application/Cart/BuyRoom.asp?TraderID=34DC92B9-3DBD-438F-AA0B-BD0F699D5896&Code=HLS5087W&ProductID=EC32A6F4-A5C1-412E-B094-FFB264B45824&SellOrderId=26B63739-FB99-4907-9AEA-2DA047110EFA&CategoryID=CBB33436-272A-4165-AEEF-C1A614DC663E&SiteCode=EN&CategoryTracking=0D833F61%2D9D6C%2D47D0%2D8E27%2D9 C69D9D981F1%2CF7EC29DA%2D2F86%2D4E8F%2DB4EE%2D37F1 F186DEF9%2CCBB33436%2D272A%2D4165%2DAEEF%2DC1A614D C663E

EDIT: $2800 @ Bestbuy.ca... Pricematch plus $50 off code would bring it down to about $2143 by my calc's...

Shneebs.

p.s. Note: TheBrick.com's website does ask for postal code to determine price... came up as $2248 here in NB. :)

[shneebs]

...or how about this low budget alternative:

Konka KM-4211 - $1566

http://www.directdial.com/ca/shop/item/KM%2D4211.html

Description:

42IN LCD HDTV 1920X1080 16:9 1000:1 HDMI/VGA/SVID/COMP/DVI/550

Shneebs.

[steen]

Manufacturer Model Size Type Price Location Notes
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Toshiba 42LX196 42 LCD $2,500 A&B Sound
Toshiba 42LZ196 42 LCD $2,700 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD
Toshiba 47LX196 47 LCD $3,300 Visions Bonus: HD DVD Player (SD4990)
Toshiba 47LZ196 47 LCD $3,700 A&B Sound Bonus: $50 DVD
IIRC, the prices at the Toshiba Charity Sale two weeks ago were:

42LX196 $1900
42LZ196 $2200
47LX196 $2400
47LZ196 $2700

[Impossibles]

You forgot:

Acer AT3705-DTV 37 LCD $1200 TheSource
Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37 LCD $1000 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42 LCD $1700 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-47W1 47 LCD $2800 BestBuy

;)

Was the general consensus that the Westy 37" was worse than the Viewsonic 37" for general HDTV and movies? (not for Ps3 and PC)

[JSI]

Cheapest 1080p prices i've seen so far (without dates - sorry) from Lower Mainland - BC. Hope this helps some people out this boxing day. Its organized by price.

Sony KDL40XBR2 40 LCD $2,900 A&B Sound


Which store was this at in the Lower Mainland?

[frogger]

You forgot:

Acer AT3705-DTV 37 LCD $1200 TheSource
Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37 LCD $1000 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42 LCD $1700 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-47W1 47 LCD $2800 BestBuy

;)
I think you've got the wrong 37" Westinghouse model#.. it was the old W1 not the W3 IIRC.

[Mox]

Think theres any chance for a Sharp LC-32D40U for under 1k?

[raidencreed]

You forgot:

Acer AT3705-DTV 37 LCD $1200 TheSource
Westinghouse LVM-37W1 37 LCD $1000 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42 LCD $1700 BestBuy
Westinghouse LVM-47W1 47 LCD $2800 BestBuy

;)

i was only looking for above 42 .. and the westinghouse had no tuner or something (according to consumer reports)

[raidencreed]

IIRC, the prices at the Toshiba Charity Sale two weeks ago were:

42LX196 $1900
42LZ196 $2200
47LX196 $2400
47LZ196 $2700

where / what was the "Toshiba Charity Sale" ?

[raidencreed]

Which store was this at in the Lower Mainland?
(Sony KDL40XBR2 40 LCD $2,900 A&B Sound )

this (and all prices listed) were from one of the various flyers that came by the house.

I also did a bunch of talkin with the A&B Sound in Langley and Surrey ... and they actually came down on another TV (a Toshiba) i was lookin at quite well ... they seam to be good guys (at first impresion). I didn't buy ... was just trying to get an idea of what i could talk the different stores into. Visions and A&B Sound were the best at giving me an even better price on things.

Hope that helps some.

[Anessa]

You forgot Costco $3199 for Sharp LC46D62U 46 LCD in GTA stores (Warden, Yorkdale)

[steen]

where / what was the "Toshiba Charity Sale" ?
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371894

[Firestorm]

So Best Buy has a Prima 32" LCD for $600. Anyone got any comments on this TV?

[bmw_xperience]

damn I was hoping for a good deal on the SHARP AQUOS 42... oh well

[Nolan]

HOw does the LG 37" that is on sale at BestBuy compare to Viewsonic from Costco?

Or the 42" Westinghouse?

[StoneColdWhat]

Perfect I was just going to start a thread like this, right now whats the best deal on a LCD HD around 50" and around $2k ? I'm really tempted to get the LG Plasma one on the FS front page.. which isn't LCD, which one is the one with the lamp heat issue ? DLP or Plasma ? Either that or the 55" SONY FOR $1800 on FS's 2nd page, any comments on these 2 ?

[parry]

Alright Guys, lets start this..

Which is the hottest deal in 37" and above HDTV's this year?

[Ch28]

So Best Buy has a Prima 32" LCD for $600. Anyone got any comments on this TV?

I'm interested in this answer as well

[NinjaZeroEight]

I'm interested in this answer as well

Me too. I couldn't find any reviews on it. I'll either get that or go all out and get a V series Bravia from Sony ;)
Just remember guys you get what you pay for!

[Shredder59]

Alright Guys, lets start this..

Which is the hottest deal in 37" and above HDTV's this year?

yeah, seriously. No one is talking about the 37" LG for $999. I'm assuming that's because it's a crappy model or something otherwise people should be drooling all over it since it in theory would be far better than the Costco Viewsonic or the BB Westinghouse from a week ago.

Thoughts?

[rilhouse]

some people mentioned in the FS thread that LG in general is better then Sharp. of course those are just comments with nothing behind them.

i'm going to research the model to see what reviewers are saying....

[hammer]

(Sony KDL40XBR2 40 LCD $2,900 A&B Sound )

this (and all prices listed) were from one of the various flyers that came by the house.

I also did a bunch of talkin with the A&B Sound in Langley and Surrey ... and they actually came down on another TV (a Toshiba) i was lookin at quite well ... they seam to be good guys (at first impresion). I didn't buy ... was just trying to get an idea of what i could talk the different stores into. Visions and A&B Sound were the best at giving me an even better price on things.

Hope that helps some.


Could you be so kind as to post the link or scan for the xbr2 40 lcd for 2900 at A&B...would like to pricematch.

[look30]

IMHO Hitachi and Panasonic where the best looking plasmas.
Samsung was the worst among big brands and LG was somwhere in the middle.
Let's try to find deals and not so much wishfull thinking here :)

Electronics for less is another place to keep an eye on.
I heard they will negotiate deep discounts , like no tax and such.
If anybody has a fresh experience with this guys let us know:

http://www.electronicsforless.ca/

[bacid1]

plasma quality

pioneer > panasonic > hitachi > lg > samsung

[look30]

plasma quality

pioneer > panasonic > hitachi > lg > samsung
I am sold for Hitachi vs Panasonic and also many peoples on Avsforum went to buy a Panny and left with a Hitachi.
I like Panny colors better but Hitachi clarity blows away any other plasma.
Again , this is my opinion no flames please.

[shaolinmonk]

which one of these tv's out there has decent sd quality?

[parry]

yeah, seriously. No one is talking about the 37" LG for $999. I'm assuming that's because it's a crappy model or something otherwise people should be drooling all over it since it in theory would be far better than the Costco Viewsonic or the BB Westinghouse from a week ago.

Thoughts?

I think so. But I am inclined on it as well..I am not happy with the Viewsonic from Costco..

[shaolinmonk]

I think so. But I am inclined on it as well..I am not happy with the Viewsonic from Costco..

anybody got the detailed specs for the LG?

[Draff]

some people mentioned in the FS thread that LG in general is better then Sharp. of course those are just comments with nothing behind them.

i'm going to research the model to see what reviewers are saying....


That was one poster and that's the first time I've ever heard anyone - videophile or not - say that LG is leaps and bounds above Aquos. I certainly don't think so but to each their own.

[jjtsl]

I think so. But I am inclined on it as well..I am not happy with the Viewsonic from Costco..

I was also deciding whether to return the Viewsonic but I was forced to do so when it died on me in less than a month. As for the LG, there has been some mixed reviews in avsforum.com. I would have very much preferred the Panny 37PX60 but it's not on sale.

[stevethewheel]

yes, i'm downtown & have a direct view of the CN tower.

results from another forum on OTA in Toronto with an indoor antenna:

1) WGRZ (D2) - 100% - 29.6db
2) WNLO-SD(D4) - 100% - 31.1db
WIVB-HD(D4.2)
3) CBLT(D5) - 100% - 29.5db
4) WKBW(D7) - 100% - 31.1db
5) CFTO(D9) - 100% - 29.6db
6) ??WUTV(D14) - 22% - 5.6db
7) WNLO-SD(D23) -72% - 18.6db
WIVB-HD(D23.2)
8) CBLFT-DT(D24) - 93% - 25.3db
9) WNED-HD(D43) - 86% - 23.2db
WNED-SD(D43.2)
ThinkBrite(D43.3)
10) CityHD (D53) - 100% - 29.6db
11) CKXTHD (aka Toronto1) (D66) - 100% - 27.9db
12) WUTV(D14) - 65% - 17.5db

haha. Takes me back 30 years. That was pretty much the TV lineup on SDTV (FTA) when I was a kid. Seemed like a lot of channels at the time.....

At any rate, for those looking to get great picture quality on 27" or more under $1000 that does both SD and HD well I think you have to go with new fashioned direct view HD CRT. Or wait until Boxing Day 2007, I am sure by then LCD will have gotten this far.

[yakkers]

anyone have any info on that 42 inch HDTV Plasma for 999$ at walmart?

I coudnt tell from the flyer what brand it was, or wether it has HDMI?

[yakkers]

anybody got the detailed specs for the LG?


I woudnt mind the detailed specs for the LG 37 inch and 42 inch aswell!!

[ea77]

LG Plasma has one of the best SD quality due to it's XD engine specifically for this purpose.

which one of these tv's out there has decent sd quality?

[Cisco KId]

LG Plasma has one of the best SD quality due to it's XD engine specifically for this purpose.

I agree having tested Panasonic and LG I preferred LG. Pioneer is excellent but at a higher cost which is not worth it. Personally owning both plasma and LCD I would say go LCD . The LG's are super and the XD engine makes a big diff

[ea77]

Keep in mind not everything is broadcasted in HD, so SD quality should be considered for the transition period.

The best for SD in my opinion for LCD is Panasonic, LG, and Philips.

For plasma it's LG.


Hard to determine this unless you've seen it hooked up in person which I have.

[Corizzle]

I can't complain about the SD quality of my 37" Sharp. Even in stretch mode it looks better then my 30" CRT JVC

[rilhouse]

well i've narrowed my options down to:

FS:
Sharp 32" LC32SH2OU - 799$
Sharp 37" LC374OU - 1499$

BB:
LG 37" 999$ 37LC20
SHARP 32" 899$ LC32D4OU

now i have to compare specs & reviews....

:D

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

How much is delivery for these TV's?

I am leaning towards the 42" LG....I think 37" is too small for me.

[rilhouse]

anyone interested in the LG, check this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=685784&highlight=LG+37LC2D

[yakkers]

seems like you cant go wrong with this LG for 999$....

I would love a 42 inch, but dont know if I can justify an extra 500$....

[red_eye]

LG 37" Specs for the 37LC2D

1366x768 resolution
Does 480i/p, 720p, 1080i
1600:1 contrast ratio
xD Engine (proprietary LG video processor - read more on lge.ca)
178 degree viewing angle (horizontal and vertical)
Features an integrated ATSC tuner
1 HDMI input, 2 Component inputs, 2 S-video inputs, 1 composite input
2 15w TruSurround speakers (integrated)
programmable remote
3DYC comb filter
ships with table stand, is VESA compatible
weighs 26kg
2 year warranty from LG

[rilhouse]

LG 37" Specs for the 37LC2D

1366x768 resolution
Does 480i/p, 720p, 1080i
1600:1 contrast ratio
xD Engine (proprietary LG video processor - read more on lge.ca)
178 degree viewing angle (horizontal and vertical)
Features an integrated ATSC tuner
1 HDMI input, 2 Component inputs, 2 S-video inputs, 1 composite input
2 15w TruSurround speakers (integrated)
programmable remote
3DYC comb filter
ships with table stand, is VESA compatible
weighs 26kg
2 year warranty from LG

according to the below link there is a also a VGA input & 2 composite

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/LG_Electronics-37LC2D.htm

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The specs of that 37" look nice.

I hate TV shopping. Plasma or LCD, 37" 42" or 50"

Rear projection ok? What brands are ok, and what brands are poop.

Brand A has excellent HD image quality, but slight banding, Brand B has no banding, blah blah blah.

Should I just say screw it, and get a projector?

Would I be happier spending an extra grand, or would I be happier saving that grand, and having a slightly inferior tv? Should I spring for a 3 year warranty, or do recent TV's not go to bad?

[rilhouse]

according to the below link there is a also a VGA input & 2 composite

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/LG_Electronics-37LC2D.htm

also the in the avs thread it says that the VGA input is locked at 1024x768 so playing a console over VGA would not been ideal. also someone said:

"There are 2 models ... one with the tuner and one without. The 37LC2D being sold by Futureshop in Canada does NOT have an ATSC tuner (just NTSC)."

which doesn't make sense since on page 11 of the avs thread someone posted pics of OTA HDTA from Markham.....so I tend to think it does have ATSC

[Anessa]

well i've narrowed my options down to:

FS:
Sharp 32" LC32SH2OU - 799$
Sharp 37" LC374OU - 1499$

BB:
LG 37" 999$ 37LC20
SHARP 32" 899$ LC32D4OU

now i have to compare specs & reviews....

:D


You can't go wrong with AQUOs and the banding issue was only with the 1080p sets at 46 and 52 inches respectively.

[shaolinmonk]

according to the below link there is a also a VGA input & 2 composite

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/LG_Electronics-37LC2D.htm

also the in the avs thread it says that the VGA input is locked at 1024x768 so playing a console over VGA would not been ideal. also someone said:

"There are 2 models ... one with the tuner and one without. The 37LC2D being sold by Futureshop in Canada does NOT have an ATSC tuner (just NTSC)."

which doesn't make sense since on page 11 of the avs thread someone posted pics of OTA HDTA from Markham.....so I tend to think it does have ATSC

does the bestbuy version have the atsc tuner? or did you use futureshop in error?

[rilhouse]

does the bestbuy version have the atsc tuner? or did you use futureshop in error?

i think it does have the ATSC

[NinjaZeroEight]

only 1600:1 contrast ratio? now i know too much is no good (look at the samsung tvs) but 1600:1 seems a little low. but that's my opinion.

[StoneColdWhat]

how bout the BRICK's tvs ? the KF50E200a 50" LCD, 50HM66 Toshiba 50" DLP, or the hitacho 55VS69 55" LCD ? Any of them good ?

[martie_11]

Has anyone seen any deals for the Samsung 1080p 46" Flat Panel LCD HDTV(LNS4696D) TV?

I've only been able to find the following:
Future Shop: $3,499.99
Best Buy: $3,699.99
2001 Audio Video: $3499

Thanks in advance.

[Shredder59]

So the LG for $999 or the Viewsonic at Costco for $999? What's the deal? I'm leaning towards the Viewsonic simply because of Costco's second to none return policy, and the fact that about a thousand RFDers already have one and seem to be happy with them overall.

But my gut tells me that the LG should be a much better set than the Viewsonic.

anyone else going through this debate right now?

[smartcdn]

what about the 32" SONY BRAVIA LCD HDTV that's been on sale for no lower than $1299.99 (at Sears, etc...)?

Does anyone know if this is going on big savings on Boxing Day?

Future Shop has the 40" bravia for $1799 (savings of $800) - but it's too big for my tv space...

[NinjaZeroEight]

So the LG for $999 or the Viewsonic at Costco for $999? What's the deal? I'm leaning towards the Viewsonic simply because of Costco's second to none return policy, and the fact that about a thousand RFDers already have one and seem to be happy with them overall.

But my gut tells me that the LG should be a much better set than the Viewsonic.

anyone else going through this debate right now?

well i just read the specs for that LG for 999 at best buy. I'm getting that one, only because i trust LG. You really can't go wrong.

[parry]

well i've narrowed my options down to:

FS:
Sharp 32" LC32SH2OU - 799$
Sharp 37" LC374OU - 1499$

BB:
LG 37" 999$ 37LC20
SHARP 32" 899$ LC32D4OU

now i have to compare specs & reviews....

:D

Could someone post the specs/link for 37" Sharp? Is it Aquos?

[Draff]

Yes, it's the aquos:
http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-LC37D40U-Integrated-Tuner/dp/B000F5CW8S

[xcspeed]

This is the one I am going for on boxing day at BB for $899 :cheesygri

Sharp AQUOS 32" Widescreen LCD HDTV** (LC32D40U)

[tearglove]

re: LG 37", flyer says 'min 10 per store', do i take this to mean there will be no online availability (right now theres no stock online either--sold out) and we have to do the tuesday morning lineup thing.....

whats the best strategy to get this?

[irampage]

The LG sucks, my friend owns one, same model, same size...he wants to carry it back but he can't because of Best buy 30day return policy.

can't say i didnt warn you :P

you're better off getting the viewsonic 37" at costco, the new line up of N3760W has 2hdmi, digital out, redesigned menu, etc (it is not what you see on viewsonic's site!). They both have the same price@999, the viewsonic has an extra hdmi over the LG, and the viewsonic can support higher res@pc connection. viewsonic's remote sucks though

[NinjaZeroEight]

The LG sucks, my friend owns one, same model, same size...he wants to carry it back but he can't because of Best buy 30day return policy.

can't say i didnt warn you :P

you're better off getting the viewsonic 37" at costco, the new line up of N3760W has 2hdmi, digital out, redesigned menu, etc (it is not what you see on viewsonic's site!). They both have the same price@999, the viewsonic has an extra hdmi over the LG, and the viewsonic can support higher res@pc connection. viewsonic's remote sucks though

I think what it ultimately comes down to is brand preference. I really don't know how any LCD tv can "suck." Especially if they're the same size. If having 2 hdmi inputs is important then get the Viewsonic. For me, the only thing I need the hdmi for is my PS3. I mean the thing triples as a blu ray player, dvd player, and plays games. Just me though ;)

[shaolinmonk]

The LG sucks, my friend owns one, same model, same size...he wants to carry it back but he can't because of Best buy 30day return policy.

can't say i didnt warn you :P

you're better off getting the viewsonic 37" at costco, the new line up of N3760W has 2hdmi, digital out, redesigned menu, etc (it is not what you see on viewsonic's site!). They both have the same price@999, the viewsonic has an extra hdmi over the LG, and the viewsonic can support higher res@pc connection. viewsonic's remote sucks though

are those the only reasons the lg sucks in comparison? what about picture quality? sd and hd etc....

[tearglove]

any ideas on this? how to specifically land this model preferably without going into a B&M?

re: LG 37", flyer says 'min 10 per store', do i take this to mean there will be no online availability (right now theres no stock online either--sold out) and we have to do the tuesday morning lineup thing.....

whats the best strategy to get this?

[rilhouse]

are those the only reasons the lg sucks in comparison? what about picture quality? sd and hd etc....

check the avsforum link i posted, many people have said that it is a really good TV with much better comments then "this TV suks"...without giving any sort of explination other then the lack of >1 HDMI

also the "X min per store" does not mean it won't be available online. there is even a web ID # in the flyer.

i'm currently torn between the 37" LG and the 32" Sharp Aqous....

[Corizzle]

The LG does not suck, but it's not totally awesome either. It has it's positives and negatives. Just like mostly everything

[Styx555]

I'm looking to get a 40-42 inch LCD, flat panel. Any reccomendations on the best one for the best price?

[rh-7]

In case you want to make the decision even harder, I am very happy with my recently purchased Insignia 37" tv from Futureshop for $999 (still on for that price). In my opinion, the picture quality looked better than the 37" LG.

[irampage]

sorry, didnt have time to elaborate on my "it sucks".

most of the problems are with the black levels, VERY unnatural colours (for those who own x360 you WILL definitely notice this...especially in gears of war or dead or alive 4), a lot of image noise, 1 hdmi, vga limited to 1024X768 (not good for x360 use!), the speakers bass is crap (rattling occurs very often!)

[yakkers]

I think what it ultimately comes down to is brand preference. I really don't know how any LCD tv can "suck." Especially if they're the same size. If having 2 hdmi inputs is important then get the Viewsonic. For me, the only thing I need the hdmi for is my PS3. I mean the thing triples as a blu ray player, dvd player, and plays games. Just me though ;)

I think two HDMI's are important in a sense, I dont have an Xbox, but I do have an upconverting DVD player that requires HDMI, and I would also like to take advantage of my High Def Digital box HDMI instead of using components?

How do you hook up your Digital box?

[yakkers]

I was told by the guy in the sony store today that if you have an UP CONVERTING DVD player, or Home theatre Kit with DVD, that it MUST be plugged in through HDMI, if you use component cables the 'up converting' will not work?

Is this true? If it is true this means you could not take advantage of the HDMI with the digital box?

Hooking these things up is so damn complicated.

[Mox]

So does plugging in an HD digital cable box via componant cables deliver a large decrease in quality vs the HDMI cable? My HD DVR cable box. Motorola 6412 (i think) doesnt apear to have hdmi. Just componant and DVI.

Secondly,

OK so here is my question. Why is the viewsonic so much cheaper for the same size? Having trouble finding much more than the posted link above for good comparative reviews. cnet didnt relaly review the LG

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I was told by the guy in the sony store today that if you have an UP CONVERTING DVD player, or Home theatre Kit with DVD, that it MUST be plugged in through HDMI, if you use component cables the 'up converting' will not work?

Is this true? If it is true this means you could not take advantage of the HDMI with the digital box?

Hooking these things up is so damn complicated.

He's mostly correct, as there are a few upconverting DVD players out there that will work over component. The vast majority, however, will only upconvert over HDMI or DVI (digital outputs).

For a better explanation of how and why, take a look at this (http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/06/20/ask-hd-beat-dvd-upconverting-over-component/) article.

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If you guys are so worried about a lack of HDMI inputs, get a receiver. If your going to have a ~1000$ TV, you may as well get a receiver n' some sound equipment to go along with it. I bought my receiver ~4 years ago, and it has 2 HDMI inputs on it (One out obviously)

I'll use one for my 360, and I'll be getting one of the HD-DVD thingy's for the 360 so I really only need one input, but I'll have another if need be.

And putting everything through a receiver is just so easy. Mines in a very accessible place so plugging new cables in is easy. All I need then is one cable running from the receiver to the TV.

I'll be trying to grab the 42" LG. Not sure what time I'll need to show up to get one though..

[yakkers]

If you guys are so worried about a lack of HDMI inputs, get a receiver. If your going to have a ~1000$ TV, you may as well get a receiver n' some sound equipment to go along with it. I bought my receiver ~4 years ago, and it has 2 HDMI inputs on it (One out obviously)

I'll use one for my 360, and I'll be getting one of the HD-DVD thingy's for the 360 so I really only need one input, but I'll have another if need be.

And putting everything through a receiver is just so easy. Mines in a very accessible place so plugging new cables in is easy. All I need then is one cable running from the receiver to the TV.

I'll be trying to grab the 42" LG. Not sure what time I'll need to show up to get one though..


I was looking at a Sony receiver that had what you describe, it was a cheaper kit for about 500$, now after doing some research I found that these HDMI inputs on the receiver were simply 'Pass throughs' like a switch, but that the receiver did not actuall process any HDMI itself, the guy at the sony strore told me that there were few receivers that did this? also, when passed through the receiver, the sound was cut the sound out of the HDMI cable.... I also read that when you plug in the HDMI's through the receiver that you are comromising some of the quality?

again, I dont know much about this stuff, so I could be dead wrong, is yours an expensive receiver?

nonetheless, I have heard, for optimal performance, your device (digital box, DVD player) should hook up directly to the TV if possible.

what type of receiver do you have that had this technology 4 years ago? and do you have to hook up the audio seperate, or does the audio pass through your HDMI cables aswell?

[beachlover]

Thought I'd let everyone know what I just heard. That LG is the former "Goldstar" brand. Don't remember them being known for quality...

[Drew_W]

Thought I'd let everyone know what I just heard. That LG is the former "Goldstar" brand. Don't remember them being known for quality...

Samsung and LG Phillips are the largest panel manufacturers in the world.

[Drew_W]

which doesn't make sense since on page 11 of the avs thread someone posted pics of OTA HDTA from Markham.....so I tend to think it does have ATSC

You can buy an external tuner, you know? :)

[yakkers]

article in todays toronto star about LG tv problems

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/164631

[Drew_W]

article in todays toronto star about LG tv problems (I think it was plasmas tho)

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/164631

Two whole TVs failed? In the era of mass manufacturing, this is hardly a blip on the radar. And of course the manufacturer doesn't care...if the TV is out of warranty and it breaks, you're SOL. LG has no 'moral responsibility' to fix your TV...give me a break.

[yakkers]

From what I have read, the LG 37 inch is a great buy,

but myself, I think I am leaning towards the 42 inch Samsung Plasma for 1299$. It has two HDMI's I get 5 extra inches of screen and the name brand is better.

[Corizzle]

I don't think I will need one. My Sharp has 5 inputs

2 HDMI
2 Component
1 Composite/S-Video

Currently connection to it:
Expressvu 9200 over HDMI
XBOX 360 over Component

By the summer I should have:
Upconverting DVD over HDMI
Wii over Component

I don't see anything else connected to this tv so I think I am good

[bcjim]

Im looking also,, im gonna buy the 37" viewsonic from Costco but i have to wait for boxing day..

be careful....my viewsonic is dead after 1 month....totally dead....

[bcjim]

I was also deciding whether to return the Viewsonic but I was forced to do so when it died on me in less than a month. As for the LG, there has been some mixed reviews in avsforum.com. I would have very much preferred the Panny 37PX60 but it's not on sale.


oh i found a mate who got a dead viewsonic in less than one month....

[nighthawk26]

be careful....my viewsonic is dead after 1 month....totally dead....

Really, what are people expecting from these norcet, viewsonic, proview, digimate or any other generic piece of crap. They are all crap, half of them carry 90 day warranties, and good luck gtting servicing even if they do break under factory warranty. they look like crap, and people buying them somehow justify their purchases by kidding themselves about how great they look. They are for the most part horriffic.

[Styx555]

Looking at getting a quality brand 40-42" LCD flat over the next couple of weeks. Any suggestions on good models/prices?

[Tijuana]

Im looking for best SD on a lcd. Any suggestions?

[Ch28]

Me too. I couldn't find any reviews on it. I'll either get that or go all out and get a V series Bravia from Sony ;)
Just remember guys you get what you pay for!

If you have the money for the Bravia then I say go for it :cheesygri

[Ch28]

well i've narrowed my options down to:

FS:
Sharp 32" LC32SH2OU - 799$
Sharp 37" LC374OU - 1499$

now i have to compare specs & reviews....

:D

Visions is selling the Sharp 32" LCD (LC32SH20)- $695

Have you or anybody else had any experience with that model TV?

[mahjongmaniac]

Superstore's clearance has a Norcent 27" LCD HDTV for $200 @_@ Going on right now.

also some 36" LCD TV for $600...

pretty insane prices.


i'd go to RCSS to take a look before considering FS/BB's so-called BD/W "deals"....

[redflag999]

Last week when I was in Costco, they seemed to have a new return policy sign that only mentioned 30 days return only. Anyone know if it was changed??

So the LG for $999 or the Viewsonic at Costco for $999? What's the deal? I'm leaning towards the Viewsonic simply because of Costco's second to none return policy, and the fact that about a thousand RFDers already have one and seem to be happy with them overall.

But my gut tells me that the LG should be a much better set than the Viewsonic.

anyone else going through this debate right now?

[aryall]

Audiotronic has the TV I'm currently eyeing (Sony KDS50A2000) for $2588. I'd love to get it for $2500 taxes in with stand on Boxing Day.

[redflag999]

Note that according to the AVS forum, there are several versions of the LG, some with 1 HDMI and 2 coax (for OTA and D-cable) and others have 2 HDMI and 1 coax. Of course this is for the US so I don't know which model FS/BB has here in Canada. For most of Canada, I think the 2 HDMI/1 Coax would be better as except for Van, TO and Montreal, there's really no OTA HD at least for the next year or 2. Comments?

Also, you can always get a HDMI splitter for 2 devices into 1 HDMI port, I believe it cost around US$26 or so (from AVS forum).

I think two HDMI's are important in a sense, I dont have an Xbox, but I do have an upconverting DVD player that requires HDMI, and I would also like to take advantage of my High Def Digital box HDMI instead of using components?

How do you hook up your Digital box?

[infamous_Q]

anybody have ne word on whether the 32" LG will be dropping in price? sadly 999.99 seems to be just out of price range.

thanks guys.

[rilhouse]

well i just came back from FS to check out the TV's...(no best buy near my folks place).

the 37" LG was beside a 37" Samsung and I could see no real difference. they had a 37" aquos on display which did look a bit better. since i'm not paying 1499$ for the 37" sharp for slighty better inputs & a small difference in picture, i'm going with the 37" LG which *I hope* I'll be able to get online.

lol..the sales guy tried to get me to buy it today at "a reduced price" but i said 999$ or no deal.


:D

[aryall]

Didn't want to have to try to haggle for a TV during the Boxing Day madness, so I picked one up today. Got the Sony KDS50A2000 with stand for $2550 + tax at FS. Audiotronic has it on their website minus the stand for $2588, so you could probably do better than I did. I'm in Ottawa.

[kmar]

Didn't want to have to try to haggle for a TV during the Boxing Day madness, so I picked one up today. Got the Sony KDS50A2000 with stand for $2550 + tax at FS. Audiotronic has it on their website minus the stand for $2588, so you could probably do better than I did. I'm in Ottawa.

Same here, ordered a Sharp Aquos 46D62U for $2838 before tax. Will be delivered Jan 16.

[diwana]

i just went LCD/plasma shopping with my parents...picked up the LG 42" EDTV xD engine plasma for $888 with a free illico videotron HD box...figure i'll turn around and sell that for $150 or so on ebay...making the tv cost $850 taxes in

i figure they'll maybe upgrade to HD channels in at least a year or two...by which time a 42" LCD HDTV might cost $500-700 or so

[yakkers]

i just went LCD/plasma shopping with my parents...picked up the LG 42" EDTV xD engine plasma for $888 with a free illico videotron HD box...figure i'll turn around and sell that for $150 or so on ebay...making the tv cost $850 taxes in

i figure they'll maybe upgrade to HD channels in at least a year or two...by which time a 42" LCD HDTV might cost $500-700 or so


I might be interested in an illico HDTV box!!!

[theurbancanadian]

i just went LCD/plasma shopping with my parents...picked up the LG 42" EDTV xD engine plasma for $888 with a free illico videotron HD box...figure i'll turn around and sell that for $150 or so on ebay...making the tv cost $850 taxes in

i figure they'll maybe upgrade to HD channels in at least a year or two...by which time a 42" LCD HDTV might cost $500-700 or so

Let me know how you find the tv. I'm deciding over the EDTV model or the HDTV model. $500 difference.

[CHINAdeals]

Let me know how you find the tv. I'm deciding over the EDTV model or the HDTV model. $500 difference.

hdtv all the way.
edtv is 'dying' quickly imo.

my parents bought an edtv a year ago...and i'd say it was the biggest mistake they ever made :(

[vg007]

Unless you want a flat panel display specifically for your SD content, buying an EDTV is a bad decision. In your case, spending ~$900 on an EDTV when the same money will buy an HDTV is particularly unwise. Maybe a year or two ago it could be excusable, but not now. Yes, prices will drop later, but why buy an inferior product now? The resolution afforded is the reason why there is such excitement over HDTV in general, so why buy a EDTV when you are in fact wanting to buy an HDTV but are sticking at the price? Also, a 42" image with such few pixels won't look very good.

[Carbo]

edtv/plasma is DEAD....last year was the best time to buy one...the difference in price will today buy u a HDTV plasma. its like a free tv after a year. today the difference is too little...go for HDTV...but consider a LCD. real HD 1366x768. in fact ANY/ALL 42" PLASMA's will be obsolete soon. the resolution is just not right for HD/wide viewing(too much scaling and compression). its a 4:3 1024x768 computer format. 42" lcd can be had at same/lower price as a 42" plasma...plasmas are ONLY good for movie viewing.

wow, thanks for un-educating us with your mis-information!

[red_eye]

edtv/plasma is DEAD....last year was the best time to buy one...the difference in price will today buy u a HDTV plasma. its like a free tv after a year. today the difference is too little...go for HDTV...but consider a LCD. real HD 1366x768. in fact ANY/ALL 42" PLASMA's will be obsolete soon. the resolution is just not right for HD/wide viewing(too much scaling and compression). its a 4:3 1024x768 computer format. 42" lcd can be had at same/lower price as a 42" plasma...plasmas are ONLY good for movie viewing.

I agree with Carbo - this is a brutal mis-understanding of aspect ratios and resolutions.

1. Television sizes don't become obsolete.
2. You are apparently completely ignorant of the nature of video processing in relation to broadcast resolutions. Scaling and compressing indeed - which is it? And during which applications?
3. You can't turn a 16:9 ratio into a 4:3 ratio simply by saying it's so. A set that is 1366x768 is NOT 1024x768. Do you even proof read this stuff before you post it?
4. You seem to be very pro-LCD, yet LCDs ship in the same size and resolution as plasma... if your previous arguments had even a shred of accuracy in them, wouldn't they apply to this format as well?

As the owner of a 42" HD Plasma (Hitachi 42HDS52) I can state unequivocably that it's excellent for both SD and HD applications. I've got Shaw HD cable, A Wii, and Xbox 360 and a Toshiba HD-A2 plugged in and each unit produces crisp images with no flicker and simply outstanding quality. I don't know who you are, but I'm certainly glad you don't have anything to do with people making technology purchasing decisions. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, it's just a pity yours is so mis-informed.

[subzero5150]

I agree with Carbo - this is a brutal mis-understanding of aspect ratios and resolutions.

1. Television sizes don't become obsolete.
2. You are apparently completely ignorant of the nature of video processing in relation to broadcast resolutions. Scaling and compressing indeed - which is it? And during which applications?
3. You can't turn a 16:9 ratio into a 4:3 ratio simply by saying it's so. A set that is 1366x768 is NOT 1024x768. Do you even proof read this stuff before you post it?
4. You seem to be very pro-LCD, yet LCDs ship in the same size and resolution as plasma... if your previous arguments had even a shred of accuracy in them, wouldn't they apply to this format as well?

As the owner of a 42" HD Plasma (Hitachi 42HDS52) I can state unequivocably that it's excellent for both SD and HD applications. I've got Shaw HD cable, A Wii, and Xbox 360 and a Toshiba HD-A2 plugged in and each unit produces crisp images with no flicker and simply outstanding quality. I don't know who you are, but I'm certainly glad you don't have anything to do with people making technology purchasing decisions. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, it's just a pity yours is so mis-informed.

actually he's right in that most 42 inch plasmas have a resolution of 1024x768 (which is indeed a 4:3 format), but each pixel is shaped so that when they're all put together the tv screen will be 16:9.

[red_eye]

actually he's right in that most 42 inch plasmas have a resolution of 1024x768 (which is indeed a 4:3 format), but each pixel is shaped so that when they're all put together the tv screen will be 16:9.

The majority of sets up now are 1366x768. Which is indeed a widescreen ratio.

Last year? 1024x768 was popular. This year 1366x768 - and progressing to 1920x1080 for the 1080p sets.

[Sook Mii]

edtv/plasma is DEAD....last year was the best time to buy one...the difference in price will today buy u a HDTV plasma. its like a free tv after a year. today the difference is too little...go for HDTV...but consider a LCD. real HD 1366x768. in fact ANY/ALL 42" PLASMA's will be obsolete soon. the resolution is just not right for HD/wide viewing(too much scaling and compression). its a 4:3 1024x768 computer format. 42" lcd can be had at same/lower price as a 42" plasma...plasmas are ONLY good for movie viewing.

See, FUD like this is exactly why so many people wind up buying (and probably paying too much for) the wrong set for their application; they're probably treating what clueless salespeople spew as gospel. Case in point: my neighbour recently bought a 40" 1080p Bravia, and watches it from a distance of nearly 11 feet. Will his eyes be able to discern the increased detail that a 1920x1080 resolution affords? Not at all, sorry. He should have bought a 55"+ 720p set for that distance. From my roughly-seven-foot viewing distance, my 720p 42" Pioneer plasma will appear to the eye every bit as detailed as his whether I'm feeding it a 720p, 1080i or 1080p signal. Plus, I get the added bonus of real blacks and not "very dark grays". And mine cost less.

LCD certainly does have its place, and a 52" Aquos is likely to be my next purchase. More for having buddies over and gaming and whatnot. I do wish LCDs could catch up to plasma when it comes to viewing angles, though.

[Xenon420]

okay i need HELP from my fellow RDF memebers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay i was wondering what Panasonic Plasma should I get the 42" or 50". Just so you know I want to get the 50". My living room is very small tough. Its only 6-7 feet from my TV. Will the 50" look good from that distance?

I am aware that the 50" doesn't do 1080p but i don't really care for that. Maybe in 2-3 years I will care. Reason I want an HDTV is for NFL Sunday Ticket(i am aware there is only 1 more week left) & NHL Center Ice. Movies/Video Games are a bonus.

Will I be able to hook up the Bell ExpressVu 9200 Dual Tuner, Panasonic DVD Recorder with 160 GB HD, Xbox 360 & Nintento Wii to the 50" and 42"????



thank you Jason






EDIT:

Panasonic 42" Widescreen Plasma HDTV** (TH42PX60)

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0770HDS0010072625&catid=23525&logon=&langid=EN

$1899 is VERY expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! I have seen this for $1999 A TON OF TIMES. Futureshop is lieing this is NOT A SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save $100...PLEASE


Panasonic 50" Widescreen Plasma HDTV** (TH50PX60)

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0770HDS0010072626&catid=23526&logon=&langid=EN


THIS IS THE CHEAPEST I HAVE EVER SEEN THIS. Only $2499.99(for Canada this is a VERY good deal)

[Sook Mii]

This is where a 52" 1080p LCD would be great...6-7 feet. A 50" plasma, unless you want to spend $5K+ on the 1080p Panny, is maybe a bit too big. Go for the 42", I think. An 8-foot distance is optimal for a 42" 720p; about 10 for a 50". Maybe you can scoot the chairs/sofa back a bit?

Look at both, though. Granted, they usually have a crap feed going to these sets in the store, but if a HD feed going to the 50" looks not-so-good to your eyes from 7 feet, imagine what SD will look like.

[Xenon420]

This is where a 52" 1080p LCD would be great...6-7 feet. A 50" plasma, unless you want to spend $5K+ on the 1080p Panny, is maybe a bit too big. Go for the 42", I think. An 8-foot distance is optimal for a 42" 720p; about 10 for a 50". Maybe you can scoot the chairs/sofa back a bit?

Look at both, though. Granted, they usually have a crap feed going to these sets in the store, but if a HD feed going to the 50" looks not-so-good to your eyes from 7 feet, imagine what SD will look like.


I don't care for the 1080p. You want me to a bigger tv in a 52" LCD???? but you say the 50" plasma wouldn't look good????


I don't like LCD it gives me headaches. My pc monitor is a Dell 20" LCD and is gives me headaches.


EDIT: Okay I can move my sofa/some chairs. That will give me an 2 extra foot. 4 feet if I move my PC to the other side.

[Sook Mii]

At 7 feet, the pixel structure on a 50" plasma will be fairly evident I think. Again, look at both from the distance you'll actually be viewing the set from but I'm pretty confident that you won't want to go beyond a 42". Your own eyes are the best judge, however.

[Xenon420]

At 7 feet, the pixel structure on a 50" plasma will be fairly evident I think. Again, look at both from the distance you'll actually be viewing the set from but I'm pretty confident that you won't want to go beyond a 42". Your own eyes are the best judge, however.


thanks i must do that go to the store and see for myself.


But for your other comment i am confused. Why would the 52" LCD look better and not the 50" Plasma from a 7 feet viewing distance?

[jhuynh]

Hey Guys,

I had a question; someone posted that you can still get an HD Rogers receiver from FS when you buy an hdtv but there were no replies to his thread. Is this true? I haven't read anyone talking about it and I can't find any details about it anywhere. If so that would be sweet.

[subzero5150]

The majority of sets up now are 1366x768. Which is indeed a widescreen ratio.

Last year? 1024x768 was popular. This year 1366x768 - and progressing to 1920x1080 for the 1080p sets.

not for plasmas... look at the panasonic, pioneer, samsung 42 inch plasmas and they all have a resolution of 1024x768. for lcd's, yes you're right most of them have a resolution of 1366x768 some even 1080p.

[aryall]

Hey Guys,

I had a question; someone posted that you can still get an HD Rogers receiver from FS when you buy an hdtv but there were no replies to his thread. Is this true? I haven't read anyone talking about it and I can't find any details about it anywhere. If so that would be sweet.
I can confirm this. I bought a HDTV from FS yesterday. They gave me a package that was essentially just a slip of paper with a confirmation number. My girlfriend called Rogers yesterday and despite us being existing Rogers customers, they agreed to give us the HD PVR free for 10 months. Would have been 12 for the HD receiver (minus PVR). The base HD channels come free as well.

[Firestorm]

Ah screw it >_< I think I'm gonna break my budget and just go with the 32" Aquos for $899 or 37" LG for $999 at Best Buy. Which do you think is the better buy?

[fantiger]

Last week when I was in Costco, they seemed to have a new return policy sign that only mentioned 30 days return only. Anyone know if it was changed??

Can someone confirm this(the new 30 days return policy) please?

Also, is anyone considering the Protron 37' from FS? Specs seem ok, it's also sold at Sears, and I read from some forum that the screen is made by LG. What do you think of this one comparing to the Costco Viewsonic 3752?

I might get this one if Costco is changing the return policy to 30 days.

please advice

[Drew_W]

Ah screw it >_< I think I'm gonna break my budget and just go with the 32" Aquos for $899 or 37" LG for $999 at Best Buy. Which do you think is the better buy?

The latter. $100 more for another 5". The Sharp doesn't even have a Sharp panel in it, which somewhat defeats the point. Going for the LG is just my opinion though, even though I am a huge fan of the Sharp Aquos line.

[jadoocian]

FS flyer states 1000 samsung plasmas (1299$) are available chain wide?

Anyone know how many a store might get roughly? I plan on going to the warden/eglington one.

[MrKat]

Can someone confirm this(the new 30 days return policy) please?

Also, is anyone considering the Protron 37' from FS? Specs seem ok, it's also sold at Sears, and I read from some forum that the screen is made by LG. What do you think of this one comparing to the Costco Viewsonic 3752?

I might get this one if Costco is changing the return policy to 30 days.

please advice
Its false! I was @ Costco yesterday with a friend who was refunding a camera after 2 months and it went fine.

And trust me, if it was 30 days they would mark it on the receipt but even on mine...nothing on it.

[MrKat]

perhaps people should start doing a little research before just talk crap....everything i wrote is from MANY comments on MANY websites...no one just came up to me and told me that this is what it is and that it. THE FACTS are the FACTS. try googling "42" plasma resolutions" every person will comment on the same PROBLEM. plasma technology has not been able to make TRUE HD formats, why is it that when u buy a wide screen monitor for your pc it will never be a 4:3 format meaning 1024:768. TODAYS 42" PLASMAS will be OBSOLETE....they have to come up with something to keep up with LCD's. I had a plasma for 10 months, looked great, BUT now i have a LCD and if u had not got it, I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOW WHAT I WAS MISSING. why do u think in the stores they do not put them side by side....maybe a few years ago plasmas had the upper hand...but not today. a 50" plasma still would be acceptable, but today the standard for 50" up is 1080P(1920x1080) it makes think more clear, even at close distance. last year a 50" plasma was retail for $6000-8000, today $2000-2800. why would such a GREAT technology drop so much...their scared and they should be. LCD will take over even 50" panels in the next year. 42" plasmas SUCK.

Plasmas suck period. Overpriced pieces of junk. TOtal failure.

[frogger]

Meh all this plasma hate.. As if LCD is perfect or something.. Last time I checked the black levels were still not comparable to plasmas on LCD's, and viewing angle issues are there too.
Screen resolution is only one factor in the quality of a set. Try to get someone to figure out 1080p vs 720p on a 42" set from a typical 9-11 foot viewing distance.

[parry]

So what should I get LG 37" LCD Panel or LG 42" LCD Flat Panel? I see a lot of reviews for 37" but not much for 42"..Guru's out there? Is the 42" a good deal? which is a better deal/bang for the buck?

[Firestorm]

The latter. $100 more for another 5". The Sharp doesn't even have a Sharp panel in it, which somewhat defeats the point. Going for the LG is just my opinion though, even though I am a huge fan of the Sharp Aquos line.

I'm definitely leaning towards it now. It's just that I don't know if I can fully afford it XD Gonna see if my dad will chip in a bit. I think he wants an HDTV too =P

AVS forum seems to have nothing but praise for the LG 37"
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=685784

[MrKat]

AVOID LG ANYTHING UNDER 50''

TRUST ME!

LG makes some of the worst LCDs in the market (under 50'').

Their high end LCD and plasmas are the only really good stuff.

Google it and you will find out.

[CHINAdeals]

its settled.

going for the SHARP 32 inch (non acquos i believe) at FS for 799

[MrKat]

Also for those of you who have a Costco memb. and you plan on using their TV with their PC - get the Viewsonic at costco for $999. Trust me, the quality when hooked up to PC is amazing! You cant even tell its displayed on a LCDTV, most if not all...the other LCDTVs, you can tell because its not as crisp as an actual monitor, especially when it comes to reading text - and this is sitting from right up close or aways. I put this TV side by side to my other computer running windows and you cant even tell! You have to see to believe, im still blown away.

And I thought the Sony Bravia that I had before looked amazing with windows, the Viewsonic blows it away. Its like night and day.

[Firestorm]

AVOID LG ANYTHING UNDER 50''

TRUST ME!

LG makes some of the worst LCDs in the market (under 50'').

Their high end LCD and plasmas are the only really good stuff.

Google it and you will find out.

Also for those of you who have a Costco memb. and you plan on using their TV with their PC - get the Viewsonic at costco for $999. Trust me, the quality when hooked up to PC is amazing! You cant even tell its displayed on a LCDTV, most if not all...the other LCDTVs, you can tell because its not as crisp as an actual monitor, especially when it comes to reading text - and this is sitting from right up close or aways. I put this TV side by side to my other computer running windows and you cant even tell! You have to see to believe, im still blown away.

And I thought the Sony Bravia that I had before looked amazing with windows, the Viewsonic blows it away. Its like night and day.

PC display is secondary for me. My primary use for this TV will be Wii and Xbox 360. You seem to have had a lot of issues with the Viewsonic with the 360 so I don't know why you're recommending it so highly o.o; Gonna have to go with AVS forum on that one.

[USP]

Meh all this plasma hate.. As if LCD is perfect or something.. Last time I checked the black levels were still not comparable to plasmas on LCD's, and viewing angle issues are there too.
Screen resolution is only one factor in the quality of a set. Try to get someone to figure out 1080p vs 720p on a 42" set from a typical 9-11 foot viewing distance.

Finally, someone with some common sense. :)

The rest of you guys who are knocking plasma TV's in general are totally clueless, and you do a real disservice to those RFD'ers asking advice about plasma/LCD. "Plasmas are total junk", "plasma resolution sucks", etc. Whatever you say. :rolleyes: So many people on RFD have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to HDTV and just continue to spew biased crap and misinformation. :mad:

You guys knocking plasma resolution and ranting on about 1080p should take a cue from the Imaging Science Foundation (ISF), experts on the subject. The ISF's top four aspects to HDTV image quality, in order of importance, are as follows:

1. contrast ratio
2. colour saturation
3. colour accuracy
4. resolution

As you can see, resolution ranks 4th place on the list. What about the top three? Generally, plasma TV's beat LCD in all of them.

I'm not trying to sway anyone one way or another, I just get sick of the misinformation I read on RFD, and I hate to think that people actually might base their $1500+ purchases on some of what I see in this thread. Plasma and LCD HDTV sets each have advantages and disadvantages, and that's a fact. Contrast ratios, resolution, banding, burn-in, black levels, ghosting/response time, viewing angles, dead pixels, reflection, etc. are just a few of the issues with them. Last time I checked, many of these issues apply only to LCD sets, while others apply only to plasma.

The best advice I can give buyers is this - DO YOUR RESEARCH, and do it somewhere reliable - AVS Forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/) is a great start, and check out the LCD (http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/) and Plasma (http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/) buying guides while you're at it.

[Xenon420]

Finally, someone with some common sense. :)

The rest of you guys who are knocking plasma TV's in general are totally clueless, and you do a real disservice to those RFD'ers asking advice about plasma/LCD. "Plasmas are total junk", "plasma resolution sucks", etc. Whatever you say. :rolleyes: So many people on RFD have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to HDTV and just continue to spew biased crap and misinformation. :mad:

You guys knocking plasma resolution and ranting on about 1080p should take a cue from the Imaging Science Foundation (ISF), experts on the subject. The ISF's top four aspects to HDTV image quality, in order of importance, are as follows:

1. contrast ratio
2. colour saturation
3. colour accuracy
4. resolution

As you can see, resolution ranks 4th place on the list. What about the top three? Generally, plasma TV's beat LCD in all of them.

I'm not trying to sway anyone one way or another, I just get sick of the misinformation I read on RFD, and I hate to think that people actually might base their $1500+ purchases on some of what I see in this thread. Plasma and LCD HDTV sets each have advantages and disadvantages, and that's a fact. Contrast ratios, resolution, banding, burn-in, black levels, ghosting/response time, viewing angles, dead pixels, reflection, etc. are just a few of the issues with them. Last time I checked, many of these issues apply only to LCD sets, while others apply only to plasma.

The best advice I can give buyers is this - DO YOUR RESEARCH, and do it somewhere reliable - AVS Forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/) is a great start, and check out the LCD (http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/) and Plasma (http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/) buying guides while you're at it.


THANK YOU

i am getting the 50" Plasma -Panasonic I have seen GREAT REVIEWS on them

[MrKat]

PC display is secondary for me. My primary use for this TV will be Wii and Xbox 360. You seem to have had a lot of issues with the Viewsonic with the 360 so I don't know why you're recommending it so highly o.o; Gonna have to go with AVS forum on that one.

Actually I had it all figured out, and yes I did have issues with this tv at first but after finding out how to tweak the RGB panel its night and day better.:cheesygri

[red_eye]

{clipping of banality}.

When rants this illogical, this ill-informed and this GENERAL are applied to people it's usually labelled sexism, racism and half a dozen other -isms.

You, sir, are participating in displayism - a horrible new form of discrimination wherein one has the unnatural urge to steadfastly maintain their position is the only possible correct one. It's a subset of the condition commonly referred to as Fanboyism.

1024x768 is fine for 720p AND 1080i. The black levels, for many people, are precisely why they chose these sets. Furthermore, if these sets were so horrible, you'd see much higher return rates - which is simply not the case.

Should you need something with higher resolution - look to the Hitachi's with 1024x1080 res and 1080p processing.

You're angry. It's okay. I still love you. I'm sure your television is quite nice. My LCD is great, my plasma is also great. I need you to come down off the ledge now and let the nice doctors take care of you. :razz:

Edit: Panasonic, Maker of Both LCD and Plasma says "Go Plasma" - Article at New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/technology/25flat.html?_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin)

[niglings]

THANK YOU

i am getting the 50" Plasma -Panasonic I have seen GREAT REVIEWS on them

We got the 50'' plasma panasonic on BlackFriday, best TV i've ever seen. When you're talking about TV in the 50''+ range, plasma owns LCD hands down! Perfect image, no burn in (thats a thing of the past), you get awesome black colors.

LCD's are only good for 20-40''. Plasmas good for 42-70''.

[jkwan18]

Any good deal for 20-26" lcd tv? I'm willing to pay 400-600.

[zyad]

We got the 50'' plasma panasonic on BlackFriday, best TV i've ever seen. When you're talking about TV in the 50''+ range, plasma owns LCD hands down! Perfect image, no burn in (thats a thing of the past), you get awesome black colors.

LCD's are only good for 20-40''. Plasmas good for 42-70''.



Hmm... have you ever seen a 52" LCD 1080P (i.e. the Sharp) playing an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray at full resolution?


PS: I hate to break it to you, but burn-in isn't a thing of the past for plasmas.

[MrKat]

We got the 50'' plasma panasonic on BlackFriday, best TV i've ever seen. When you're talking about TV in the 50''+ range, plasma owns LCD hands down! Perfect image, no burn in (thats a thing of the past), you get awesome black colors.

LCD's are only good for 20-40''. Plasmas good for 42-70''.

Uhh Plasmas are a failure. Lets just hope your colours still remain intact a year from now, or even sooner. :lol:

For 50+ inch, projector blows away plasma.

[nigling]

Any good deal for 20-26" lcd tv? I'm willing to pay 400-600.

digimate 27'' hdtv lcd at futureshop $400

[jadoocian]

so i went to future shop looking for the 42 inch lg at 1499, and the guy convinced me to buy a hitachi plasma 42hds69 for 1799 saying the picture quality is alot better and how its a better bang for the buck. I have to admit being put on the spot under pressure I caved in at the time. I haven't opened it yet but can anyone give any feedback on this plasma? (perhaps vs the lg 42lc2d) thanks for your help

[cavanagh]

plasmas are only good for movies. black levels are great on them...but they are beaten in every other issue. viewing angles are a thing of the past...160 for plasmas and 178 for lcd... 8ms resonse times about the same for both flatpanels, low enough not to notice ghosting. contrast are all made up...some plasmas dont even have 400:1 but it say 3000:1 on the unit. try opening the windows on your plasma, sunlight is like a devil to it. lcd is your best bet. you can watch 4:3 all day/night with no burn in problems. dont read all things about lcd on the web, many are outdated reviews/comments, read upto date ones. plasma still has 50" & up beat for now, but thanks to the "chinese" market it will all be over soon. add that to your "ism's". a year ago i was argueing that edtv was the best bang for the buck...and it was, a year ago. today lcd is the best. tommorow who knows? oled?sled?plasma part2? but people want to know whats the best today. everyone should do their own research.

Have you seen this recent article titled "Forget L.C.D.; Go for Plasma, Says Maker of Both" (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/technology/25flat.html?_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin) in the NY Times?

[jadoocian]

also can anyone reccomend some good deals on a high end home theatre in a box?

[cipher]

I went to FS to look at the Sony KDL46V2500 46" LCD. I saw it FS online for $3299, but in-store it was tagged at $3499. I asked the salesperson about it and he said that $3299 was probably an online only price. He wouldn't match it. So I left and was going to put off purchasing for a month or two. At the mall I walked by a Sony store and I went in to check things out. To my surprise, they had it on for $3299. I asked the salesperson about the extended warranty and price for delivery. He said free delivery. I told him to let me think on it a few minutes. He came back and offered to sell me the set for $3299 plus a 3 year Sonycare extended warranty for $30 (total warranty is 4 years). I said DEAL!!! :cheesygri

[MrKat]

also can anyone reccomend some good deals on a high end home theatre in a box?

High end and HTIB dont belong in the same sentence.........really. :cheesygri

[Nammo]

Have you seen this recent article titled "Forget L.C.D.; Go for Plasma, Says Maker of Both" (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/technology/25flat.html?_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin) in the NY Times?

I read that article and all I read is a company (Panasonic) who is the describe largest producer of plasma TVs...pushing plasma. Uhm..yah..nice article. Not only that, they produce LCD TVs in a size that does not compete against their plasmas. So really, pushing this article, you are directing people to follow the faith of a producer of plasma TVs in the larger sizes. The argument that they produce both, doesn't matter since they are targetting their LCDs at the smaller sizes. All they say is look at how black is black on plasmas. The counter agruement to that is the black won't be so black in a lit room because of the glare reflection on the plasma's glass display.

Each technology has its strengths, figure out what your use is, and buy appropriatly to the strength of the technology.

[NinjaZeroEight]

Ughh.. Bought my 32" Bravia today at FS for 1199, opened it up and surprise! There was no manual. I think it was open box, or maybe an employee just opened it to get the manual. Anyway, my girlfriend called them and told them about it, and the lady on the phone said that today there will be no exchanges [which is understandable], and tomorrow i can either get a discount on the tv - they'll treat it as an open box item, or i can exchange it for a whole new set. I was thinking of just getting the discount, but, I don't know if this was a display model or anything, and since I was already prepared to spend the 1200 bucks why not just exchange it right? what do you think?

[bembol]

Does it look used?

Is it still wrapped/new and the manual is just missing, I would just get the Open Box discount.

[NinjaZeroEight]

Well when I opened it some of the styrofoam was on an angle and not leaning on the tv [though could've been the car ride home]. then again that stuff is usually pretty secure. all the cables and everything are intact, still tied together and stuff. but if i remember correctly not all the soft paper like protection [the stuff that goes over the entire tv] was on properly. when i first opened it the first sheet was just laying on top. Also the tv stand was already attached. I don't know if that's normal because this is my first LCD :)

[sidshock]

^^^ take the discount dude!!
could be $200 bucks!

[NinjaZeroEight]

take the discount and get it exchanged after a week...make up a weird excuse like it has sound clipping issues. win/win. it sounds like someone opened it for sure, but who/why is not work risking for couple hundred bucks.

that's a good idea and all, except that if i try to exchange it for a new one, i'll have to pay the difference.

[Sim]

So does anyone have the final word on the LG 37"?

1) Does it have an OTA HD Tuner (ATSC) built in?
2) Is there any way to make it support more than a 1024x768 res over VGA?

Thanks,
Sim

[irampage]

hey sim, my friend and i picked up the lg 37" on boxing day (bloody 3am we stood out there!). it does have ota built in! however, i believe pc connection is limited to 1024x768. thats what the manual says at least.

feel free to ask me anything, i can even take pics for ya.

[Sim]

hey sim, my friend and i picked up the lg 37" on boxing day (bloody 3am we stood out there!). it does have ota built in! however, i believe pc connection is limited to 1024x768. thats what the manual says at least.

feel free to ask me anything, i can even take pics for ya.

Thanks irampage!

I actually picked up this set today myself. I also lined up at 3 am and can feel the pain of that idea right now. :P

So that means I can get free HDTV using the OTA Tuner? Has your friend tried it? I live downtown so I should be able to pick up some good channels. I'm currently uptown visiting my parents, but is it all laid out in the instructions on how to get HD OTA? Have you seen the HD OTA in action?

Thanks again!

[irampage]

i tried it 2hrs ago, all you do is hook up an antenna to the antenna input at the back of the tv. you go to menu, and do an "ez scan", it will detect the channels. from there you can view it (using the channel up/down buttons). it's that simple. My antenna is really crappy, but i did get about 4 HD channels.

One of the channels looked really really good on my crappy antenna, i was shocked actually. I think i paid about 5 bucks for that antenna, used it only once to watch a soccer game when the cable was out.

If you intend on using OTA, be sure to get a cool antenna (eg: terk hdtv antenna ).

I have no reason to use it anymore though, because once you buy the tv, you get free 1yr HD programming with rogers.

[kelvin]

What roger Hd, i an't got any.

[Vinman]

I have no reason to use it anymore though, because once you buy the tv, you get free 1yr HD programming with rogers.

If you live in Toronto. :evil:

[irampage]

when you pay for it, they give you a receipt and a little rogers package, inside the package contains a rogers HD activation number, etc, that is required to get the free hd programming.

you must buy a tv 32"+ though, so the lg 37" qualifies and they should have given you the hd package after you paid for it

[mrsparkle]

Is this possible to pricematch?

50" Samsung HPS5053
BestBuy $2,765.99
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010078544&catid=23249

2001AUDIO VIDEO (SOLD OUT) $1999
http://www.2001audiovideo.com/pdf/p2_3.pdf

[Vinman]

when you pay for it, they give you a receipt and a little rogers package, inside the package contains a rogers HD activation number, etc, that is required to get the free hd programming.

Is this just for TO?

[got-cookie]

Whats the difference between 1080p and 1080i?

Also, how is the 37" LG widescreen HDTV for $999 at best buy, was that the best tv this boxing day?

[Sim]

Anyone know how the Rogers HD Kit works that came with all the High Def TVs?

I don't have standard TV cable at my appartment, but we use rogers for internet. Can I just get the HD terminal without having the basic/digital cable package or is it something that builds on top of the basic package? I just want the HD stuff for now because all I really use it for is DVDs.

Thanks,
Sim

[frogger]

Anyone know how the Rogers HD Kit works that came with all the High Def TVs?

I don't have standard TV cable at my appartment, but we use rogers for internet. Can I just get the HD terminal without having the basic/digital cable package or is it something that builds on top of the basic package? I just want the HD stuff for now because all I really use it for is DVDs.

Thanks,
Sim

You have to atleast get the basic cable package.

[Firestorm]

Anyone know of any Best Buys in the GVRD that still have the LG 37"?

[amardeepsingh]

hey sim, my friend and i picked up the lg 37" on boxing day (bloody 3am we stood out there!). it does have ota built in! however, i believe pc connection is limited to 1024x768. thats what the manual says at least.

feel free to ask me anything, i can even take pics for ya.
actually if you slide the bottom part of the remote down and press the "ADJUST" button you can select your resolution.

[cipher]

Whats the difference between 1080p and 1080i?

Also, how is the 37" LG widescreen HDTV for $999 at best buy, was that the best tv this boxing day?


1080p stands for progressive scan...1080i stands for interlaced.

[amardeepsingh]

So does anyone have the final word on the LG 37"?

1) Does it have an OTA HD Tuner (ATSC) built in?
2) Is there any way to make it support more than a 1024x768 res over VGA?

Thanks,
Sim
see post 215 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4402496&postcount=215) regarding #2. you can select 1024x768, 1280x768, 1360x768, 1366x768

im really happy to learn that it has 2 HDMI ports as well.

[gizmo8]

wait.. laser TV is going to bring down the cost of LCD and Plasma to CRT price levels by next x-mas...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_TV

[Vinman]

im really happy to learn that it has 2 HDMI ports as well.

Seriously? I thought it only had one?

[Firestorm]

Seriously? I thought it only had one?

They're selling the updated model that has 2 HDMI ports in exchange for only 1 RF port. They also have QAM, ATSC, and NTSC tuners.

Anyway, will Best Buy stock update online again? Will they restock anything for tomorrow? I'd really like the LG but I was at work and then a family Christmas thing during the online sale and I couldn't line up.

[Vinman]

They're selling the updated model that has 2 HDMI ports in exchange for only 1 RF port. They also have QAM, ATSC, and NTSC tuners.

Wow, it looks like I got a better deal than I thought. I was comparing it to the old model, which a friend of mine owns, and would have been happy with that.

[Sim]

anyone know if it's possible to hook up both a cable connection from rogers for my basic cable as well as an antenna (for free HD purposes) to the TV at the same time? I only saw one coax connection on the back, but I was in a bit of a hurry and don't have the TV with me right now.

[Sim]

They're selling the updated model that has 2 HDMI ports in exchange for only 1 RF port. They also have QAM, ATSC, and NTSC tuners.

Anyway, will Best Buy stock update online again? Will they restock anything for tomorrow? I'd really like the LG but I was at work and then a family Christmas thing during the online sale and I couldn't line up.

Not to doubt you, but are you sure about this? I looked at the back of the TV that I picked up this morning and I saw one input labelled HDMI. I picked it up from Best Buy this morning and even the sales reps said it only had one HDMI input.

I haven't looked in depth as it's at my other appartment, but it didn't seem to have two of them. Can anyone confirm this?

Edit: Even the LG Canada and LG USA websites only have it listed as having 1 HDMI input.

Thanks,
Sim

[emz]

wait.. laser TV is going to bring down the cost of LCD and Plasma to CRT price levels by next x-mas...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_TV

that looks pretty sweet! maybe I should hold off on an LCD...
great thread btw! very insightful. thanks!

Laser tvs revealed in Australia (http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250,339271573,00.htm)

Laser TV (left) / Plasma (right)
http://www.cnet.com.au/i/r/2006/tv/laser_tv_460.jpg

[irampage]

Not to doubt you, but are you sure about this? I looked at the back of the TV that I picked up this morning and I saw one input labelled HDMI. I picked it up from Best Buy this morning and even the sales reps said it only had one HDMI input.

I haven't looked in depth as it's at my other appartment, but it didn't seem to have two of them. Can anyone confirm this?

Edit: Even the LG Canada and LG USA websites only have it listed as having 1 HDMI input.

Thanks,
Sim

mine also has only 1 hdmi port.

[amardeepsingh]

Not to doubt you, but are you sure about this? I looked at the back of the TV that I picked up this morning and I saw one input labelled HDMI. I picked it up from Best Buy this morning and even the sales reps said it only had one HDMI input.

I haven't looked in depth as it's at my other appartment, but it didn't seem to have two of them. Can anyone confirm this?

Edit: Even the LG Canada and LG USA websites only have it listed as having 1 HDMI input.

Thanks,
Sim
i can confirm. My camera is not working right now, so I can't take a pic, but i definately have 2 HDMI ports. I got mine at the Best Buy in Surrey (GVRD).

[Vinman]

Laser TV (left) / Plasma (right)

This was all a big scam by Arasor prior to their listing, as Mitsubishi has already outlined - it was a misapproriated Mitsu prototype put against a horribly tuned plasma.

Laser TVs are nice, but as you can see, the plasma looks like crap.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And_Large_Display/Industry?Article=/TVs%20And%20Large%20Display/Industry/G3C2K6L4

[irampage]

The newer model (UE) has 2 hdmi ports and can do VGA @ 1366x768, and -1 rf port.

The model i have is the (UD). Which has 1 hdmi port, VGA @ 1024x768 and 2rf ports.

With the UE model, if the adjust button is pressed on the remote, there is an extra menu option called "Resolution". In there you can set the res @ 1024x768, etc. The UD does not have this option at all.

[kelvin]

i ordered the LG 37" online which didn't mention rogers HD. Will it come w/ delivery or i have to call BB.:confused:

[Vinman]

i ordered the LG 37" online which didn't mention rogers HD. Will it come w/ delivery or i have to call BB.:confused:

That's my question as well. :confused:

[kelvin]

BTW UE or UD, r we just get it randomly?

[Spiderpal93]

I also have the UE model(Model number should be on the back of TV at the bottom right)! Indeed there are 2 HDMI inputs.

[coeternity]

hmm i hope the online one is UE :|

[mrsparkle]

Is this possible to pricematch?

50" Samsung HPS5053
BestBuy $2,765.99
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010078544&catid=23249

2001AUDIO VIDEO (SOLD OUT) $1999 <------
http://www.2001audiovideo.com/pdf/p2_3.pdf


.....................

[irampage]

BTW UE or UD, r we just get it randomly?

I think it's random. Both my friend and i got the UD(in toronto), someone in Vancouver got the UE, another person in Toronto got the UE.

If you don't like the TV just carry it back and get it replaced. You have 30 days i think, in which you can exchange/return the tv.

Some things to keep in mind:
UE = 2hdmi, more picture controls, 1366x768@VGA, -1 rf.

I may return mine, not sure. I like the idea of having OTA, this way i can cancel the cable and save some money every month or something. I don't think the UE has OTA.

[Firestorm]

i can confirm. My camera is not working right now, so I can't take a pic, but i definately have 2 HDMI ports. I got mine at the Best Buy in Surrey (GVRD).

When did you get it and how many were left? I'm looking for a Best Buy in the GVRD which still has this in stock =( I tried phoning a bit earlier but no response.

[expergo]

my LG has only 1 HDMI. :/ Got it from BB STC.

[amardeepsingh]

When did you get it and how many were left? I'm looking for a Best Buy in the GVRD which still has this in stock =( I tried phoning a bit earlier but no response.

i got it at 6am this morning. I'm not sure how many were left because they were handing out tickets to the people who lined up before the store opened. A lot of the smaller tvs were sitting out on the sales floor, but the inventory guy had to go to the back to get it.

[MidNiteZ]

I started a new thread for the LG 37lc2d, let's discuss the issues regarding this TV over there.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4403959#post4403959

[Vinman]

Get yer SPAM out of here. :evil:

[Impossibles]

I think it's random. Both my friend and i got the UD(in toronto), someone in Vancouver got the UE, another person in Toronto got the UE.

If you don't like the TV just carry it back and get it replaced. You have 30 days i think, in which you can exchange/return the tv.

Some things to keep in mind:
UE = 2hdmi, more picture controls, 1366x768@VGA, -1 rf.

I may return mine, not sure. I like the idea of having OTA, this way i can cancel the cable and save some money every month or something. I don't think the UE has OTA.

Couldn't you just get a RF converter? Or does it not have a tuner?

[Drew_W]

Again, you can get an EXTERNAL OTA HDTV tuner...............................

[Vinman]

I personally don't care which one I get, just that it arrives in one piece and has a nice screen.

[mrsparkle]

Was anyone able to get the 50" Samsung from 2001Audio Video? for 1999

Its 2700ish right now at BestBuy.

[Takada]

I just got a LG 42" Plasma from Home Audio/Video 2001 for $999. It's the exact same as the LG 42" Plasma at Best Buy except that it has an HDMI input. It's only EDTV (480p), but I can say that it looks a LOT better than my uncle's Sharp Aquos 37" for SDTV, and somewhat better for DVD movies. The Sharp Aquos would probably outperform it for HD channels, but honestly, I'm already satisfied with this level of quality.

I should also mention that I sit about 11 feet away from my 42" Plasma. I suppose if you sit about 5 feet away a 42" plasma TV while watching SDTV, it would look bad. I also watch TV in a room without bright lighting, so there's no reflections and such.

By the way, I hope people will head to avsforums for GOOD information about televisions, rather than RFD trolls.

[Sim]

mine also has only 1 hdmi port.

I took a look at the TV and it does seem to have two HDMI ports. However, the one that is labelled 1 says DVI in brackets beside it, but it is an HDMI connector.

So it is an HDMI connector, but it is labelled "1 (DVI)". I hooked it up to my HDMI DVD player and it seems to work fine. On my input select there are two HDMIs listed, one is HDMI/DVI and the other is HDMI 2. So I'm guessing this means there ARE in fact two HDMI connections which is nice.

I have my computer hooked up to the TV right now using VGA and it's running at 1360x768 on both the TV and Computer but the picture isn't taking up the full screen for some reason. But when I run both at 1280x768 it takes up the full screen. Is this normal?

Sim

[amardeepsingh]

I took a look at the TV and it does seem to have two HDMI ports. However, the one that is labelled 1 says DVI in brackets beside it, but it is an HDMI connector.

So it is an HDMI connector, but it is labelled "1 (DVI)". I hooked it up to my HDMI DVD player and it seems to work fine. On my input select there are two HDMIs listed, one is HDMI/DVI and the other is HDMI 2. So I'm guessing this means there ARE in fact two HDMI connections which is nice.
Sim
I think that the one labeled dvi is the one you are supposed to used if you are connecting a device with a dvi to hdmi adapter. it can still be used as a regular hdmi port.

[Vinman]

Waiting for my LG is bad news - I get the email confirmation on the afternoon of December 26 that the TV has shipped, but my Purolator number is still inactive. Talk about a long queue. :confused:

I can just imagine the stacks and stacks of packages waiting to be picked up from the FS/BB warehouse, and the line of Purolator trucks filing in and out ...

[jhuynh]

Waiting for my LG is bad news - I get the email confirmation on the afternoon of December 26 that the TV has shipped, but my Purolator number is still inactive. Talk about a long queue. :confused:

I can just imagine the stacks and stacks of packages waiting to be picked up from the FS/BB warehouse, and the line of Purolator trucks filing in and out ...

Purolator tracking sucks! you have to wait a day or 2 before your tracking number will be in their system and you'll receive the package before you even see that it's out for delivery...

Anyway, does anyone think FS will be restocking the 42" Samsung plasma? I managed to get one but the right speaker has a static sound to it.

[Vinman]

Purolator finally updated the site that it was received in Toronto and is en route. :cheesygri

[nighthawk26]

Purolator tracking sucks! you have to wait a day or 2 before your tracking number will be in their system and you'll receive the package before you even see that it's out for delivery...

Anyway, does anyone think FS will be restocking the 42" Samsung plasma? I managed to get one but the right speaker has a static sound to it.

In the system today said ZERO in the warehuose and ZERO on order.

[jhuynh]

In the system today said ZERO in the warehuose and ZERO on order.

Thanks,

Would FS be able to do anything for me with a defective product or should I just go to Samsung do you think? I know a lot of manufacturers tell you to go back to the store you bought from if it's within the first 30 days.

[look30]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774880

[blainehamilton]

Almost picked up a 32" prima at bb today, they had one open box return from the 26th they priced at $499, down from the $599 ad price.

Thought about it for a while, then decided I will wait for a killer deal on a better quality 37"

[coeternity]

Almost picked up a 32" prima at bb today, they had one open box return from the 26th they priced at $499, down from the $599 ad price.

Thought about it for a while, then decided I will wait for a killer deal on a better quality 37"

i thought they dont accept return till 28th :confused:

[blainehamilton]

That's what they had posted, but the returns desk was running full bore when I was in the store to work my shift as an hp rep today.

Man was the place disorganized. No flyers, I wasn't in store on the 26th so I had no idea what was on sale, and the staff didn't either. What a joke, staff was telling customers items were out of stock that they had tons of because it wasn't out for grab and go (1gb flash drives when 300+ still in stock, laptops when 10+ still in stock, desktops and monitors when 10+ in stock, external hard drives when 20+ still in stock) They were too lazy to look or go to the warehouse for the items. A lot of the price tags were not even updated for the sales, pre 25th prices still on the shelf, except for ones crossed out and written in with a black marker. Staff were totally unwilling to help customers too, 5 to 10 at a time hanging around the back area chatting away while customers waited impatiently. If I was a manager there the whole lot would get kicked out just like that. Lazy asses.

[doctorgonzo]

I guess that's the flip side of BB staff being on wage and not on commission - although you're not being hounded to buy addons (like FS), if they're a bunch of slackers they have no real motivation to go out of their way to try to help you out.

[Vinman]

Okay, the bozos at Purolator screwed up the initial delivery, but I still managed to get the LG 37" here courtesy of my SUV.

It's the new model with two HDMI and the adjustable VGA output, and so far, I am extremely happy with the HDTV. Image quality is great, sound is excellent for built-in speakers, and I hooked up everything but the kitchen sink and still have tons of inputs to spare. It looks super in our living room, and even the OSD and volume/channel display has a nice "high-end" look and feel.

Definitely the best $999 I ever spent on home electronics, and this is with standard Rogers Digital and a 480p DVD player - I can hardly wait to add Rogers HD and an upconverting HDMI DVD player to the mix. LG also gets high marks for their variety of XD Engine-driven aspect ratios.

The only question I have concerns this "Rogers HD Deal". I'm in Ottawa, and there was nothing with my TV, so I'm wondering if this is a TO-only deal or if I should call BB.

[ThirteenInchMags]

im surprised no one jumped on the:
Sony 55" Widescreen LCD Projection HDTV** (KDF-55E2000)
Price: $1799.99
It's been OOS for a few days now.

[doctorgonzo]

Okay, the bozos at Purolator screwed up the initial delivery, but I still managed to get the LG 37" here courtesy of my SUV.

It's the new model with two HDMI and the adjustable VGA output, and so far, I am extremely happy with the HDTV. Image quality is great, sound is excellent for built-in speakers, and I hooked up everything but the kitchen sink and still have tons of inputs to spare. It looks super in our living room, and even the OSD and volume/channel display has a nice "high-end" look and feel.

Definitely the best $999 I ever spent on home electronics, and this is with standard Rogers Digital and a 480p DVD player - I can hardly wait to add Rogers HD and an upconverting HDMI DVD player to the mix. LG also gets high marks for their variety of XD Engine-driven aspect ratios.

The only question I have concerns this "Rogers HD Deal". I'm in Ottawa, and there was nothing with my TV, so I'm wondering if this is a TO-only deal or if I should call BB.

Nice. I tried ordering the 37" LG from BB but the site was getting hammered and I couldn't get through. I had to go to FS's website and 'settle' for the 42lc2d :)

I'm looking forward to getting it but I still haven't received the call to arrange for delivery - hopefully next week.

Does anyone know if the 42lc2d has more than the 1 HDMI port that's listed?

[cipher]

im surprised no one jumped on the:
Sony 55" Widescreen LCD Projection HDTV** (KDF-55E2000)
Price: $1799.99
It's been OOS for a few days now.

Cuz it costs $300 to replace the bulb...

[Vinman]

Does anyone know if the 42lc2d has more than the 1 HDMI port that's listed?

I'm not sure of the model they're selling, but my manual was a generic multi-LCD/Plasma one (including the 42LC2D) and it listed 2xHDMI in the diagram.

I'm assuming LG is upgrading all of these models, but again, who knows which one is actually for sale.

[Vinman]

The only question I have concerns this "Rogers HD Deal". I'm in Ottawa, and there was nothing with my TV, so I'm wondering if this is a TO-only deal or if I should call BB.

Anyone?

[shaolinmonk]

I'm not sure of the model they're selling, but my manual was a generic multi-LCD/Plasma one (including the 42LC2D) and it listed 2xHDMI in the diagram.

I'm assuming LG is upgrading all of these models, but again, who knows which one is actually for sale.

i picked up a 42 lg as well... i haven't really looked at the back yet in detail..

but i recall 2 hdmi ports or a 1 hdmi and 1 dvi... but they looked like the same type of port... a bit of a tv noob here.. so i'll check again later

[entity]

there is only 1 HDMI port on my 50pc3d.. :(
wuts HDMI? :D

[coeternity]

damn. bb still hasnt ship my lg 37". got a call to verify the order. but its all done now. waiting to be picked up by canada post.

anyone who ordered online had their tv shipped already? dont know why they need to call and verify this time

[Vinman]

anyone who ordered online had their tv shipped already?

Yep, got my LG 37" yesterday afternoon.

I think the authorization killed you. The key is to call VISA each time you're looking to spend $1K or more on a website, and let them know a large online purchase is coming through.

[coeternity]

Yep, got my LG 37" yesterday afternoon.

I think the authorization killed you. The key is to call VISA each time you're looking to spend $1K or more on a website, and let them know a large online purchase is coming through.

r u in gva? and what shippng method u choose? that was fast

i didnt use visa. mastercard

[nighthawk26]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774880

sure, says the company that only maxes out LCD at 32"

[dtrapnell]

Hi folks I was at walmart and they have a 40 inch lcd on sales for 1199.00

I think this is a good deal I put it on layaway till i find out if this is goood its a digistar brand...

comments please