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suntzu
Dec 7th, 2006, 03:21 AM
People in highly taxed countries better off: report

Last Updated: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 | 12:44 PM ET - CBC News

People who live in countries with higher taxes enjoy lower rates of poverty, have more equal income distribution, more economic security for workers and can expect to live longer, suggests a new study from a left-leaning think tank.

Written by two Toronto tax law professors for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, the report released Wednesday, is blunt.

"Tax cuts are disastrous for the well-being of a nation's citizens," say authors Neil Brooks and Thaddeus Hwong.

The study compares four high-tax Nordic countries (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland) with six low-tax Anglo-American countries (the U.K., U.S., Canada, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand).

The four Nordic countries scored better than the lower-taxed countries on most of the 50 indicators measured in the report, including:



Rate of poverty, equality of income distribution, and economic security for workers.
GDP per capita.
Rate of household saving and net national saving.
Innovation, including percentage of GDP spent on research and development.
Growth competitiveness as ranked by the World Economic Forum.
Rates of secondary school and university completion.
Rate of drug use.
Leisure time.
The more lowly taxed countries came out on top in seven of the 50 indicators, including their sense of freedom,their suicide rates and the number of people reporting they are very happy.

Canada below OECD average

Of the high-income OECD countries studied between 1990-2002, Japan and the U.S. had the lowest tax rates, at 26.8 per cent and 28.0 per cent of GDP respectively.

Canada was ranked in the low-to-intermediate level at 35.7 per cent, close to the levels recorded in the U.K., New Zealand and Spain.

Countries with higher tax revenues included Norway (41.9 per cent), France (43.4 per cent) and Finland (46.2 per cent). Sweden topped the list at 50.5 per cent.

Report compares Finland, U.S.

The report also compares social and economic conditions in Finland with those of the United States, which has one of the lowest tax rates of industrialized countries.

The U.S. has a greater percentage of people living in poverty, lower incomes for the elderly and the disabled, less economic security for workers, fewer women in professions and senior civil service and "shockingly" unequal income distribution, says the report.

In the U.S., 17 per cent of individuals live below 50 per cent of the country's median income; in Finland, that number is 6.4 per cent.

Finland, by contrast, reports a lower percentage of people living below the poverty line, more equal income distribution between the elderly and disabled and the rest of the population, high economic security for workers and more women in senior civil and legislative positions.

Americans also have one of the lowest life expectancies among industrialized countries, two years behind Finland and three behind Canada.

"The United States spends over twice as much of its GDP on health care than Finland (15 per cent versus 7.4 per cent), and yet U.S. health care outcomes remain far worse indeed, worse than most other industrialized countries," it says.

Workers in the Anglo-American countries also spend more time on the job, clocking on average 1,824 hours per year. This is 274 hours more than the Nordic average.

Canadians spend 1,736 hours on the job every year.

"By cutting taxes, the Conservative government is taking Canada in the wrong direction," says Brooks. "It wants to make Canada more like the United States, yet our findings show that Americans bear severe social costs for living in one of the lowest taxed countries in the world."

Best known for its annual alternative budget, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives has issued news releases in support of the Kyoto Protocol, and against the softwood lumber agreement and NAFTA.

netriones
Dec 7th, 2006, 10:06 AM
This is b*lls**t.
Unless the government can be more efficient on using the tax money like the company.

anom
Dec 7th, 2006, 10:42 AM
Kinda funny, considering we think we are amoung the highest taxed.

atb1o1
Dec 7th, 2006, 11:52 AM
This is b*lls**t.
Unless the government can be more efficient on using the tax money like the company.

I agree this would only be the case if our government is more efficient on using our tax money.

netriones
Dec 7th, 2006, 12:38 PM
Higher tax will also reduce the people's incentive to work hard. The harder they work, the lesser than get. So, there will be a bunch of lazy people live on wellfare in society.It's bad for economy for the long term.

Audiogenic
Dec 7th, 2006, 05:09 PM
That's all fine and dandy but when it's cold 7 months out of the 12 and you can't enjoy your money (i.e. convertable car, swimming pool, yatch, ect.) the same way as somewhere else less cold and less taxed, then what's the point.

gman
Dec 7th, 2006, 05:20 PM
The reason is they are in -40C area. ;)

gman
Dec 7th, 2006, 05:20 PM
Higher tax will also reduce the people's incentive to work hard. The harder they work, the lesser than get. So, there will be a bunch of lazy people live on wellfare in society.It's bad for economy for the long term.

The lesser harder they work, the better their health. ;)

Neil
Dec 7th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Without reading the whole thing on the face of it this seems really nonsense.

First off "Tax cuts are disastrous for the well-being of a nation's citizens" is not a conclusion that should even remotely be drawn from their study. Did they study where a country drastically cut their taxes and found evidence of disasters taking place? No- they just compared totally different and disparate countries and drew conclusions based on their taxes levels from 5+ years ago. From what I've heard Ireland's major tax cuts have pretty much saved the country over the last 5 years or so.

Fair comparison of nations taxes one to another is also difficult or maybe even impossible. Maybe Canada's base income tax rate is one thing, but when you consider all the disguised and hidden fee and utility charges Canada should probably be in the high tax category not the low.

Using Sweden Norway Finland Denmark is also questionable. Those countries enjoying nice energy revenues. They are effectively the Alberta of Europe, and we all know Alberta isn't exactly representative of the whole of Canada.

Some countries have free post secondary education. Should we count tuition fees in Canada as 'tax' in order to level the comparison?

The lower health spending in those countries may be because of the worker prosperity and coverages they have, which means less reason for government involved health system, thus much more cost effective.

83_gemini
Dec 7th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Some it is silly certainly. Richer countries tend to have, in the aggregate a larger state because the state actually functions and can collect taxes. In contrast many dysfunctional countries are dysfunctional because the necessary state institutions that undergird capitalist accumulation simply don't work.

eelfliw
Dec 7th, 2006, 11:46 PM
People in highly taxed countries better off: report

The report is nothing but age old rhetoric. Probably funded by the NDP or some other left wing party to justify over taxation.

For a lazy bum, who don't feel like working, prefers to stay home and enjoy blue-ray DVD playing on tax-payer funded plasma TV while sipping imported beer and inhaling 2 packs of cigarettes a day, of course the bum have a better life!!!

Or, a union member making $100K+ a year doing the same job as some guy in China earning $3 a day. Or a TTC driver who dropped out of high school but making 10X the wage of a bus driver in India. These people are having an excellent life.

BadDrafter
Dec 8th, 2006, 12:23 AM
Most socialist countries have 4 day work weeks.

Not that it would help me, I would end up working 7 days a week anyways. Engineers are slave drivers no matter what country they are in.

Thanh
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:50 AM
Can you say leftists propaganda ?

Scandinavian countries are nice places to live but many of their economic factors calculation are heavily manipulated to hide some numbers (ex. unemployment). The fact remains that Canada is a wonderful place to live for lazy people.

Evil Baby
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:13 PM
Has anybody here bothered to read the report and try to actually refute the findings or are we all just giving knee jerk reactions?

eelfliw
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Has anybody here bothered to read the report and try to actually refute the findings or are we all just giving knee jerk reactions?
Knee jerk reactions, may be.

But by the time I finished reading the 2nd paragraph, I knew that this report is left wing propaganda .... it's funded by CCPA. They simply hired 2 professors to present data in such a way that it fit the agenda of the CCPA. If the Fraser Institute hired the same 2 professors, you can get a report that tells you high taxation kills entrepreneurialship, destroys innovation and makes a country less competitive. This, in turn, lowers the quality of life for everyone. Want examples? Pick any communist country. Former Poland, ex-USSR, Cuba, former East Germany, former China, Vietnam, DPRK ..... which country was considered a world leader in any area besides poverty? And there are so many "ex-" and "former" in that group. Because leaders saw no future in communism - a system with the highest level of taxation.

A huge flaw of this report is that it overly simplified each country. This invalidates the finding of the report. For example, it assumes Canada's taxation rate at 35.7%. Do we pay 35.7% tax? No we don't. Low earners pay less income tax percentage wise, high earners pay more. And we all pay 6 to 15% sales tax. We also pay varying levels of property tax. There's also numerous other forms of taxation. Consequently, we're paying a lot more than 35.7% tax. Each country's taxation laws are different and the report simply glosses over it by using a single percentage. How can you even begin to compare country's taxation levels when only a single number is used?

It's BS. Pure left wing propaganda. If the left wingers really want to help every Canadian live a better life, let them start by paying 90% tax and use the money to improve the lives of those living below the poverty line.

Sleeper
Dec 8th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Where are we - or anybody else, for that matter - on the Laffer curve?

Paksis
Dec 10th, 2006, 06:16 PM
Sweden hasn't created a net new private sector job in over 20 years.