**Bad Trader - FlintBlade**

[boo4842]

The reason I’m starting this thread is to warn all other users about the attitude and actions of FlintBlade and to avoid any trades with him like the plague.

I normally wouldn’t make these things public, but I am left with little choice.

1. FlintBlade posted a thread last month intending to bash me, that completely backfired when he was in the wrong. He started making this public.

2. FlintBlade has PM’d members of this board asking them to delete their comments about him and stating that this has been resoved – it has not.

3. Flint has PM’d the mods on this board stating the situation has resolved and they locked the original thread, but 6 weeks later, it has not been resolved simply because of FlintBlade’s desire to make it difficult.

This incident has been far and away the worst experience I have had on these forums, and its all due to a childish attitude and borderline fraudulent activity by FlintBlade.

Here’s a brief synopsis of the story.
-Flint advertises a 9600pro video card on RFD forums for sale

-We arrange to meet, I pick up the card pay $45 and go home to test it out. September 22nd

-The card doesn’t work, I try for 8 hours to get it to work, I PM the next day him saying the card doesn’t work, can I get a refund. I even say I will knock off $5 for his troubles and only has to give me $40 back

-FlintBlade says that he is disappointed, but does not mention returning my money

-5 days pass, and I keep asking him if we can meet up and return this card, he avoids me, doesn’t not respond to PM’s and I send him a strongly worded PM asking him if he is going to refund my money.

-He all of a sudden says that the card was sold ‘as is” (which it wasn’t) and that he doesn’t have to give me my money back.

-He then starts a thread on RFD saying that I am the one in the wrong to attempt to destroy my reputation. The thread backfires once the facts come out. I post all the PM’s and everyone agrees that this guy is a bad trader and to refund the money, only he never does. Thread can be found here

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347512&highlight=boo4842

-The mod’s lock the thread because FlintBlade says that the issue has been resolved. The issue is not resolved then, but I ship the card to him the next day and pay for it out of my own pocket. I say it would be nice since I’m returning the card if he would send back the money.

-He says on Oct 5th – 5 weeks ago

ya i believe you. I know you wouldnt do that... not sure who did it but meh. Anywho, once i send you your cash, (tomorrow when i get my cheque). I'll leave you heat.

-I PM to confirm if he has received the card, he says he has on Oct 15th I say if he feels like it he can refund me my money, and leave my email for EMT or Paypal

-He responds (note I already spent $6.50 shipping the card back to him)

I'll use CC paypal. Don't feel like paying the $2 emt charge =D

-I wait a few days, and still nothing – no money, no explanation, so ask what’s up, maybe he sent to the wrong email – give him the benefit of the doubt

He responds

have to verify my credit card, just made a paypal account with no cash in it


-I can’t believe this, after going through all this trouble, and hurting his rep, and screwing me over, he is going to have me wait to confirm paypal to save $1.50. Anyways, I tell him I’ll wait and I wait, almost 2 weeks! Still nothing! I’m well aware of this guys dishonesty and stall tactics, so I ask again, if his credit card thing is done – this is now OCTOBER 30th! I sent him this message


any word on the paypal thing

I'm out $45 on the card that I don't have

and payed another $6 to ship it to you

and its now been a month, I think its fair you return some money

He responds

Ya, just verifying it by check right now, should be able to send the cash tomorrow or tuesday.

-I tell him that if the $1.50 for EMT is that big a deal, I will pay for it. Just take it off the money he is going to give me.

This is now NOVEMBER 2nd he writes back
no i just wanted to use paypal heh. It's taking longer to activate the account then it should have. But ill just emt the cash when i get off work tonight.

-I do not get the money that night, or the next night, or the next. I write back, asking if there is a problem, he reads the message, but does not reply.

I finally sent this message today (November 5).


Hey Man,

This is getting a bit nuts. Its been 6 weeks since the trade and 3 weeks since I shipped the card to you at my expense.

I've asked you six (6) times now for the money, and its still not here.

You said thursday you would do it after work, and its Sunday now.

Please take 5 mins and just send the money today.

If you don't I'll have to assume you are not going to pay, even though you have the card and my money, and will have no choice but to leave neg heat, and start another thread on the matter, since this has still not been resolved.

I don't think the rest of the RFD community would be very sympathetic to see that you've had teh card returned over 3 weeks ago and you still haven't returned the money.

Do the right thing man.
My email is ______________ for paypal or EMT (preferred)

Let me know when it is sent
Thanks


He sent me this response back
you did tell me i didnt have to pay. Also, i can take as long as I want, meaning it could take 4years. But I did tell you I would refund you the cash. So, I was going to do it via paypal, just because I needed to make a paypal account and it would save me $1.50. So ill send it tonight via paypal. If I can't send it by paypal, I'll send it via emt.

Once again with your threats. You keep changing your story. Stick to your word, I know I am. As long as I pay you, I'm keeping my word. You said I didn't have to refund you the cash, now your threatening to leave negative heat.

You will get the cash tonight. Ya, it's been a while, (6 or so weeks) But you will get the cash, and the fact that you said I dont have to pay you, and to take as long as I want if I decide to pay you. It means theres no deadline, so I dont have to go out of my way to refund you the cash.

Like I said, you will get it tonight either paypal or EMT. It's taken a while to verify my paypal account, when they make the deposit in your bank your supposed to go on your paypal account and type in the charges. I did that, but it said the payments they made did not exist, so i had to verify it via credit card.

Negative heat is the least this guy deserves, and the reason I’m writing this thread is to warn all those who are thinking of doing business with this guy, this is what you might be in for. I realize that its only $45, but it has been 6 weeks now and it’s the principle of the thing.

This guy thinks that it is reasonable that he takes 4 years to give someone their money back, when he has, both the card and my money. I offered to accept all charges for EMT, but he insists on messing me around.

I would not normally make this thing public, but as you can see, I have tried every single thing under the sun to get this guy to act like an adult to no avail. I’ve given him the benefit of the doubt so many times, and I am not waiting around for 4 years for some guy to do the right thing. I’m writing this on Sunday night, and hopefully the money has come, but I feel it’s the right thing to warn people whether I get the money back or not.

Notice how he changed the other thread title to Resolved – even though a month later, he is still fighting it. This kind of trader gives a bad name to the forum, and hurts my experience with all the other good traders I’ve dealt with from this board.

[DualSoul]

Well... that's a damn shame. I had an inkling my advice fell on deaf ears and it seems I was right.

[boo4842]

Update: Wednesday morning. Despite saying quite clearly he would pay Sunday night, Its 3 days later and still nothing. This is the 6th time he has specified a day he would pay and has not. This would be fine except all the other stuff he put me through in the other thread.

-He sold a dodgy product
-He refused to give a straight answer when I asked if I could get a refund
-He changed his story and lied saying it was sold ‘as is’ and lied saying I took 48 hours to contact him – it was 24.
-He again wouldn’t agree to give a refund
-He posts a thread on the board trying to bash me
-It backfires, the community proves him wrong he says its resolved then says that he will give a refund, after 10PM’s.
-He says he will give a refund, I send the card back.
-He gets the card, I get no money.
-15 PM’s and 6 promises later, 4 weeks pass and there is still no money. I’ve had enough this guy has basically stolen my money, and if you still want to deal with this 'trader' – go ahed, you have been warned. I’ve spent 30PM’s and out over $50, and am still getting the run around. I may persue this further locally just out of principle.

[jEnkinsX]

yeah didnt like his attitude either.. he gets angry when he gets lowballed but he himself lowballs.. i knew something was wrong with him... hope u resolve this issue. pm the mods they might be able to help u.. to be able to get a name or something.. then canada411 it hopefully it'll give u something to work with if u know wat i mean.

i never dealt with im just coz his attitude during the pm process its a good thing i didnt :D

gl again...

and damn! he's got the item why cant he just refund.. and u were nice enough to know off 5 bucks and 1.50 just for him to EMT ASAP.. that pisses me off man.. i hate ppl like that.. and the nerve to say he can take all the time he wants.. f4g bad bad trader... slap on the wrist

do u have a name or address at least? phone number?

[boo4842]

I do have an address and a name, since I sent him the card back - and paid all shipping costs over a month ago.

He even confirmed he recieved the card - so there is no issue there.

You would think after getting all the negative attention from the last thread he would want to resolve this ASAP - like a month ago.

I would normally just forget about this for $45 - which I guess he was hoping for, but it just irritates me that this guy blatently refuses to do the right thing and has no apologies or thinks he's done nothing wrong. Its tough to let a guy like that walk away with your money, but its more his attitude through the whole thing which is why I'm posting this, as a warning.

[Fox2k]

He sent me this response back



you did tell me i didnt have to pay. Also, i can take as long as I want, meaning it could take 4years. But I did tell you I would refund you the cash. So, I was going to do it via paypal, just because I needed to make a paypal account and it would save me $1.50. So ill send it tonight via paypal. If I can't send it by paypal, I'll send it via emt.

Once again with your threats. You keep changing your story. Stick to your word, I know I am. As long as I pay you, I'm keeping my word. You said I didn't have to refund you the cash, now your threatening to leave negative heat.

You will get the cash tonight. Ya, it's been a while, (6 or so weeks) But you will get the cash, and the fact that you said I dont have to pay you, and to take as long as I want if I decide to pay you. It means theres no deadline, so I dont have to go out of my way to refund you the cash.

Like I said, you will get it tonight either paypal or EMT. It's taken a while to verify my paypal account, when they make the deposit in your bank your supposed to go on your paypal account and type in the charges. I did that, but it said the payments they made did not exist, so i had to verify it via credit card.




Wow. My jaw literally dropped open after I read that. It's like he's running an auto-bull***** generator and sent you a pm with its output. Good luck with the situation - Hopefully you do get your money back.

[deep]

That's unbelievable. I have actually met flintblade, and for the record, our trade went fine, because it was my product and his cash. Having said that, this kind of behaviour is totally unacceptable. I definitely won't deal with anyone who acts like that.

[boo4842]

lol

I've got tonnes of examaple. I personally like this one when I asked him why I can't get a straight answer out of him. I asked (6 weeks ago) before I had sent the card back.

1. Can i get a refund on this card
2. When can we meet tomorrow to make the exchange.

and I added - please give me a straight answer, since every time I ask you something, I get a paragraph and no answer.

he responded


m at work tomorrow regardless. So its not like im going to kill myself so i dont have to work. Or call in sick.. or stay at home for the fun of it i lose more money by missing work for that. But I work maintenance so you might have to ask some1 to call me. It's either that or we do it on friday on my day off. I no longer work seasonal so i wont be able to stand in that department.

Just cuz its fun to write out a paragraph with a hidden answer rather then just saying yes.

The only thing I ask in return is positive heatware, maybe even an apology. I dont care about the sold as is, even though it was. I still honor a return period of atleast a month. But just apology stating that you misread what I typed to you. You said you wanted your money back, rather then saying yes, i said lets arrange a meeting. I thought that was good enough since you said "sure no rush". That's all

He finds it fun to write out a paragraph with a hidden anwer instead of just saying yes. This guy just likes to p!ss people off, I think he has some issues to be honest.

He then asks after all this to leave him positive heatware!! And then says that I won't get my money back unless I apoligize to him

I think he has a dual core bull***** machine, overclocked to spew out extra garbage, and a seperate SPU - shoveling processing unit to handle the complex piles.

***I met him too, and thought everything was fine too, until there was a simple problem and then the nightmare began. I'd even let it go if it was just all the hassle to get him to agree with the refund and then he gave the money back, but I'm still out of pocket 6 weeks later.

[boo4842]

Just received this PM today

talk about not being able to wait till payday on friday.. whatever. Your choice, you told me i could take as long as I want. So i chose to buy some stuff before I pay ya. Then you change your story

First time he's mentioned waiting till he gets paid, even though he said he would pay last Sunday.

List of excuses employed thus far by FlintBlade.
For not given a refund in the first place.
-the card was working when I gave it to you
-the card may have had some cooling issues, but I think it was working when I gave it to you
-all of a sudden the card was sold ‘as is’ – no refund (no where in the post or in PM does it say ‘as is’)
-I took 48 hours to say there was a problem (It took 24) and EVERY trader knows that after 24 hours there is no refunds…. Where is he getting this rule?
-His computer was down, he couldn’t get back to me (he still posted threads though)
-flint lost all PM’s or deleted them so there is no way to back up any of his stories
-The original for sale thread was edited, but before he changed it it said as is
-he knew the card was not working anyways and that’s why he sold it for so cheap, I took a risk buying it for such a low price ($45 for a 9600 seems like working value to me)
-The board software was updated so that’s why he didn’t see my PM’s
-He has been busy with work so couldn’t respond to me. (He took the time to read them, and make other posts about buying and selling other things though)
-Despite not mentioning anything about a refund and fighting it for 10 days, he says that he always agreed to give one and that I’m illiterate for not seeing that.
-He should sue me for ‘verbal assault’ for asking for a refund depite the fact I’ve never talked to him and he ‘lost’ all the PM’s I sent to him.

Reasons after agreeing to a refund, why 2-6 weeks later he still hasn’t given it
-He wants to pay by paypal
-He wants to save $1.50 for EMT, so can’t pay now
-He wants to pay by credit card paypal and has to confirm his card
-2 weeks later there is problems confiming his CC and will confirm with chq (bank)
-There is a problem with the bank confirmations and will confirm with CC paypal again, even though I offer to pay the 1.50 EMT fee
-He just wants to pay via paypal for the fun of it, its not just the $1.50
-I did not specify how long he had to pay him so if he pays in 4 years he is keeping his word. There should be no rush to pay me.
-He has no money now in his bank (first time mentioning it) so can’t send EMT. He’s been buying too many computer parts and games and spending all his money.
-He has to ask his parents for the money.
-Just ignores my PM’s

Just added
-Wait till he gets paid on Friday

any bets on whether I will see anything on Friday?

I'm done with this... its taking up too much time, no more posts. Just wanted to let others know if they were thinking of dealing with him.

[JPxM0Dz]

According to his HEAT, this was not the first negative transaction, that shoulda been a heads up for you, no ?

Good Luck!

EDIT: My bad, looks like both are related ;)

[squall458]

I was interested in one of his items for sale but hesitated because of the other thread. Now I am happy that I didnt PM him about it. Good luck AGAIN!

[DualSoul]

What I find funny is the fact that he still decides to act like a child through PMs, even though boo has made it clear that he's willing to disclose all messages that are sent. A bad trader? Perhaps. A not-so-bright one? Definitely.

[Fox2k]

any bets on whether I will see anything on Friday?

I dont know. How much memory does his bull***** generator have?

[boo4842]

What I find funny is the fact that he still decides to act like a child through PMs, even though boo has made it clear that he's willing to disclose all messages that are sent. A bad trader? Perhaps. A not-so-bright one? Definitely.

I'm making the PM's public because of the bare face lies that seems to come out of this guy, and I am covering myself here. Also I've just been blown away by the unbelievable BS that this guy thinks is normal.

This is the latest one
I should have sent the money from day one. Regardless of the fact that you said I didn't have to, and that I could take all the time I need. IT's the principle of the matter. I should have refunded the cash right away. Otherwise I'll just keep putting it off. I can see waiting a week, but if payment has not been sent by 4-6weeks, it never will. This needs to be sorted out so we can all get a good night sleep. That and the fact that I want this to be resolved.

So I will send out the $40CAD today. All I ask from you in return. Give me a positive heatware, and send a message to the heatware mods to try and get that negative removed. Perhaps remove the thread, although, it can stay. Just post in there letting ppl know its now resolved.

Are these terms ok with you? Money will be sent my EMT.

he is now dictating terms in order to refund my money, I have to:

-leave him positive heatware (but as if there is a reason not to)
-send a message to heatware mods to remove negative heat (because it wasn't justified?)
-delete this thread in the forums
-or post here that its resolved (say its resolved before I get the money of course)

And if I do all that he will send me $40 of the $45 I gave him. (I did say I'd take $5 off for the hassle of taking a return to speed up the process - 6 WEEKS AGO!)

Notice now how he has the money in his account to EMT if I agree to his terms, when 2 hours ago he had to wait till friday.

what do you think? I'm sure this guy deserves positve heatware for this deal.

[pcgeezer]

u know where he lives no?
go for it :D
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I'm simply amazed this is still going on. I'm also amazed at how patient boo is. If it was me and I had his address........well, I think we'll leave it at that ;)

Hope this ends soon for ya boo.

[pcpro]

hmm..if you actually told him he can take as long as he wants and doesnt HAVE to return the money then you shud somewhat blame yourself for your loss..you should have told him upon his receival of the card your expecting your cash. I understand you got screwed and whut he is doing isnt exactly fair but the way you went about getting your cash back was kind of if'ey by telling him he doesnt exactly have to give it back but he should..you shoulda told him he better damn well give you your frigin money since you sent him the card..neway good luck with that..happy i didnt buy nething from that guy...

[Quan]

hmm..if you actually told him he can take as long as he wants and doesnt HAVE to return the money then you shud somewhat blame yourself for your loss..you should have told him upon his receival of the card your expecting your cash. I understand you got screwed and whut he is doing isnt exactly fair but the way you went about getting your cash back was kind of if'ey by telling him he doesnt exactly have to give it back but he should..you shoulda told him he better damn well give you your frigin money since you sent him the card..neway good luck with that..happy i didnt buy nething from that guy...

I think the time thing was more of a nice gesture by Boo (ie. when you look at someone's item and they say "take as long as you want" they don't literally mean take forever). I think boo was simply giving him some time to return his money.

[FuNPoLiCe001]

hmm..if you actually told him he can take as long as he wants and doesnt HAVE to return the money then you shud somewhat blame yourself for your loss..you should have told him upon his receival of the card your expecting your cash. I understand you got screwed and whut he is doing isnt exactly fair but the way you went about getting your cash back was kind of if'ey by telling him he doesnt exactly have to give it back but he should..you shoulda told him he better damn well give you your frigin money since you sent him the card..neway good luck with that..happy i didnt buy nething from that guy...

boo has this thing called patience and courtesy

[computerguy]

I can't believe you've had the patience to put up with all of this.... I would have flipped out a long time ago :mad:

What needs to be done is that the mods should temporarily ban him until this gets resolved.

[anabeces]

thanks for the heads up, added to my scammer list.

[axeman]

this piece of trash has been on my no trade list for awhile.he needs to be banned for good.:mad:
hope he grows a brain and pays up.

[baymoe]

Take it to his parents or I'd feel great paying $45 to replace his living room window.

[myztikal]

this guy.. he threadcraps.

[balou911]

damn shame - after reading this - Ive added him to my public dnt list.

damn shame.

[truong99]

it sad that all this for $45 lousy bux.>:(

[euphoria18_79]

Wow... between the other thread, and this, it is truely sickening. Boo, i think you have done what most of us on RFD would do. You have been patient, and have tried to work this out numerous times.
Flint, why dont you just man up and refund the guys money. If you want to sell crap "as is" then take it to ebay. You said over and over you would refund the money, so do it then.
For this to take anything more than a couple weeks at most to get corrected is truely sad.

[anabeces]

i like how he posts in a whole bunch of threads today, but ignores this thread completely.

[rexstfu]

I'm simply amazed this is still going on. I'm also amazed at how patient boo is. If it was me and I had his address........well, I think we'll leave it at that ;)

Hope this ends soon for ya boo.

u dont know how long i waited for the payment from triosound(a scammer)!!!
6 month.... and he is still owing me $500 for a mach2 GT phase change cooling unit.

[FlintBlade]

Ok, well it's time for me to post in here. Well this is my side of the story. It has nothing to do with bashing boo4842,he really is a nice guy. He hass been patient, so this is just my side of what happened. Although, I did offer him a refund various times. It just hasn't happened yet obviously. But Since I need to post something, I guess I will. This mostly bashes myself if anything.

So after I made the original thread. I received a message from boo4842. He was basically fed up with the situation. But hey, so was I. I wanted to get it sorted out ASAP. He sent me a message and send he's shipping the card back and that I didn't have to pay him. Now, that wouldn't be fair for boo to not receive payment. I mean, he's already out $6 for shipping, plus he said I could refund him $40 rather then $45. So I told him I would refund him the cash. He then sent me a pm saying I could take my time to send him a refund. I'm sure he meant like 1-2weeks at most. Rather then right away. But, I basically just kept putting it off until it hit 4weeks. I should have sent the money right away. I don't know why I didn't. Maybe it's just because I didn't feel like doing it at the time.

Whatever the reason, it was wrong of me to not refund him the cash. I sent him a card that for whatever reason didn't work in his system. He sent it back, so I should have sent the cash back right away. This situation has dragged on to long. Now I have a negative heatware pertaining to not refunding him the money.

So I'm going to finally refund him the cash. I told him in a PM I would do it this friday. But, I can send it now, so there's no reason to wait.

I can only hope he would be kind enough to help me remove the negative heat he sent me.

Anywho, this is by far the worst trade I have ever done. Mostly my fault, all other items i've sold have been working fine. Except for 2sticks of ram, but the guy RMA'd them. I agreed to refund him the cash or RMA them for him. But everything worked out with that trade.

So, I sent him an EMT already. He's supposed to respond to let me know if he got it. If for some reason he didn't. I'll send another to get this mess sorted out. Something that should have been finished 4weeks ago.

[FlintBlade]

Yes he does know where I live. I tell everybody that I trade up front where I live. Regardless of whether or not I'm buying/selling. This is the only trade I've let get out of hand like this. If I could take it all back I would.

Well, he met me at work to buy the card. I don't know if I'm ... bigger. But I am tall for my age. Only being 18 and 6'3. But I only weigh 145lbs :cheesygri :D. Pretty skinny. But I don't take boo for an agressive guy. Either am I, so physical violence isn't the answer. Besides, this matter is going to be sorted out today. I'll give him the full refund he's asked for.

I have definitely learned from this deal. Things to do and what not to do. So this will not happen again. I'm only human, you have to make mistakes in order to learn from them. Although, I'm pretty sure theres a line between mistakes and pure stupidity. I do have principles, I just need to follow them :D :cheesygri

[Noob1ee]

this piece of trash has been on my no trade list for awhile.he needs to be banned for good.:mad:
hope he grows a brain and pays up.

:cheesygri

[FlintBlade]

Awwwww... axeman is just mad because I didn't sell him my ram. He kind of lowballed me on it. So I decided to not sell it to him. But whatever... all is good.

[dealpig]

Also, i can take as long as I want, meaning it could take 4years.


Don't forget that if boo4842 agrees to remove the negative heatware that you need to agree on a deadline. Apparently if no deadline is set it's reasonable to assume that getting around to it in 4 years is perfectly acceptable.

[FlintBlade]

Don't forget that if boo4842 agrees to remove the negative heatware that you need to agree on a deadline. Apparently if no deadline is set it's reasonable to assume that getting around to it in 4 years is perfectly acceptable.

Payment has been sent already. Regardless of whether or not he decides to remove the negative. Although, I would appreciate it. It's to late for that.

[axeman]

Awwwww... axeman is just mad because I didn't sell him my ram. He kind of lowballed me on it. So I decided to not sell it to him. But whatever... all is good.


i didnt lowball you at all you loser,you made a deal and backed out .however this is the kind of thing you are good at.
just pay what you owe.maybe some day you will be able to be trusted on this forum again.
i seriously doubt it tho:cheesygri

[FlintBlade]

I rarely (if at all) back out. I asked for $100 + shipping in my thread. You offered me $90shipped.

I paid him the money already. Like 3+ hours ago =D

[Noob1ee]

I rarely (if at all) back out. I asked for $100 + shipping in my thread. You offered me $90shipped.

I paid him the money already. Like 3+ hours ago =D

Okay, if you call that a lowball.... you haven't seen the real world kid.

[FlintBlade]

Hey, I've been lowballed by $50 a couple times =D. I'm sure some have been offered $300 for like a $400-500. Everyone does it, shiet happens.

[cy]

Hey, I've been lowballed by $50 a couple times =D. I'm sure some have been offered $300 for like a $400-500. Everyone does it, shiet happens.

Shiet happens, then why u get offensive when people offer you $90 shipped for $100+ shipping asking price?

From the conversations and the replies from you to this thread, you sound like a kid - A kid with no brain.

In a retail store, there's no terms. Does that mean you can pay up front and they can choose to give you your item in 4 years? It's the world of business, kid.

Just go home and sleep on your defective 9600 card, i strongly believe this person deserves a ban for his bad business practice.

[cy]

Yes he does know where I live. I tell everybody that I trade up front where I live. Regardless of whether or not I'm buying/selling. This is the only trade I've let get out of hand like this. If I could take it all back I would.

Well, he met me at work to buy the card. I don't know if I'm ... bigger. But I am tall for my age. Only being 18 and 6'3. But I only weigh 145lbs :cheesygri :D. Pretty skinny. But I don't take boo for an agressive guy. Either am I, so physical violence isn't the answer. Besides, this matter is going to be sorted out today. I'll give him the full refund he's asked for.

I have definitely learned from this deal. Things to do and what not to do. So this will not happen again. I'm only human, you have to make mistakes in order to learn from them. Although, I'm pretty sure theres a line between mistakes and pure stupidity. I do have principles, I just need to follow them :D :cheesygri
You are leaning towards the STUPIDITY, not mistakes. The stupidity of trying to scam someone for a $45 card.


But, I basically just kept putting it off until it hit 4weeks. I should have sent the money right away. I don't know why I didn't. Maybe it's just because I didn't feel like doing it at the time.
This is by far the dumbest excuse I've heard in a while...


I can only hope he would be kind enough to help me remove the negative heat he sent me.
Do everyone a favour boo4842, please do not do remove the neg.

Anywho, this is by far the worst trade I have ever done.
You sure?


I still believe this kid deserve a ban, it's very unfair for the ones trying to obey the rules and trade legitimately. Also it's very frustrating for us legitimate traders trying to avoid kids like this.

[pcgeezer]

I can only hope he would be kind enough to help me remove the negative heat he sent me.

You got negative Heat because you deserve it. There would be no purpose to the Heatware system if your negative Heat was removed. Your going to have to regain everybody's trust again and that won't be done by removing a negative Heat assessment. If you are so worried about your Heat, you should have acted responsibly from the beginning to protect all your positive assessments. If it was an unjustified negative assessment I'd say remove it, but this isn't the case.

[awestruck]

I should have sent the money right away. I don't know why I didn't. Maybe it's just because I didn't feel like doing it at the time.


No, it's more like you didn't want to at all. You were giving him bs the whole time, hoping that boo will send you a PM to just forget about the $40 or whatever amount he wanted back. Money is money, even if it's $40. Even if he told you to take your time, you should've refunded him asap. It would be understandable if you sold a $200 item and needed some time to get the money back, but $40? Whatever man...

[sassysue]

This is stupid i feel for you boo hope it all get settled with this stupid kid


And mods i think Flintblade should be banned for his actions now for everyone on the forum posts don't count as honesty always gotta wonder deals and trades can go wrong at any time! annd this one has went to the bad to worst

[sassysue]

No, it's more like you didn't want to at all. You were giving him bs the whole time, hoping that boo will send you a PM to just forget about the $40 or whatever amount he wanted back. Money is money, even if it's a $40. And you should have immediately resolved the situation and none of this would be happening.

He must have alot of money? maybe rich and living with mommy and daddy still :cheesygri

he should of resolved it like you said 40.00 is money even $1.00 is so you screw a member over you no rfd users is gonna do about this kinda of stuff!!! this kid is gotta get a brain or maybe take his brain out of ass and use it for his head

[jEnkinsX]

i 2nd the ban

[vili19]

If something is sold as is, then wtf???? You dont buy something that is beeing sold as is and expect it to be working, it's the buyers fault for not beeting on scene to test it out.

[sassysue]

If something is sold as is, then wtf???? You dont buy something that is beeing sold as is and expect it to be working, it's the buyers fault for not beeting on scene to test it out.

Where does it say that?

From Boo

-He all of a sudden says that the card was sold ‘as is” (which it wasn’t) and that he doesn’t have to give me my money back.

[FlintBlade]

Where does it say that?

From Boo

-He all of a sudden says that the card was sold ‘as is” (which it wasn’t) and that he doesn’t have to give me my money back.

So just because boo says something without showing any actual proof you believe him... nice to know. IT was stated in the original thread.

No, I don't have a lot of money. Especially since I'm heading off to university in 8months.

This thread should be dead. Boo received his money last night.

I'm sure the business world is just like the "RFD" world. If someone says something, shouldn't that count for something. Unless everybody likes to lie for a living.

[JAC]

So just because boo says something without showing any actual proof you believe him... nice to know. IT was stated in the original thread.

No, I don't have a lot of money. Especially since I'm heading off to university in 8months.

This thread should be dead. Boo received his money last night.

I'm sure the business world is just like the "RFD" world. If someone says something, shouldn't that count for something. Unless everybody likes to lie for a living.

If you sell a bad item, you refund the money immediately. If you can't afford to do business here, go elsewhere.

[FlintBlade]

If you sell a bad item, you refund the money immediately. If you can't afford to do business here, go elsewhere.

I can afford to do business. I always make sure I have the money for the transaction I'm about to complete. Since 90% of the time I pay before I get the item. The other 10% I pay after, that would be for people with very little heatware.

[SKYMTL]

This is horribly sickening. I wish an Admin could dig up the actual FS thread before it was edited. Then we would really know what it said.

Also, I have to say to Flint: Keeping a perfect Heatware score in your sig is in extremely poor taste when you have received at least 2 negative feedbacks. That in itself speaks volumes about your honesty.

[FlintBlade]

I recently got that negative. So I haven't bothered to update my sig yet. The first negative relates to the second negative. The first being from some guy I've never traded or met. Someone probably just made a second heatware account for that very purpose.

[Fox2k]

So just because boo says something without showing any actual proof you believe him... nice to know. IT was stated in the original thread.




If the card was sold as-is why did you ask boo to let you know if you had any problems with the card? That's not a generic statement to make - its a liability.


This thread should be dead. Boo received his money last night.


It seems to me that even after the fact, you are jumping in after every reply and trying to gain a foothold and get some support. In one post you apologize and say you were at fault, in the next post you get defensive and ask people why they are taking boo's word over yours. You stated that you have paid boo the money. If that's true, then this issue is resolved, there is no need to keep posting in this thread. This situation has ruffled a lot of feathers, of course people are going to keep posting. but if you don't want to keep incriminating yourself by stating contradictions, then I would suggest you stop posting in this thread. I suspect that as soon as Boo confirms he receved his money, this will be locked anyways.

[boo4842]

So just because boo says something without showing any actual proof you believe him... nice to know. IT was stated in the original thread.


You're a wanker. You never once said it was as-is. You think I would pay $45 for a 9600pro sold as-is? $5 maybe.

I have every bit of proof, and you have none. The first time you even mention this as-is cr*p is a week and a half later. Why wouldn't you say it was as-is the day after I messaged you, or the next 10 PM's? You turn around 2 weeks later, edit the orignal thread and come up with this BS as-is garbage. That of course was after you said that I took over 48 hours to message you, and that there is some imaginary 24hr rule, even though its been PROVEN I let you know the next day.

And then you say if there are any problems to let you know. Why would you do that if it was as-is.

'It was stated in the original thread'. Of course Flint edited the original thread, but guys trust him it was there. What possible reason could you have not to trust this guy, he seems so honest and up front with people.

I got the $40 today - he sent it to the 'wrong email first', so I'm only down $11, about 10 hours of my life - 45PM's, and some kid messing up my reputation and experience with the board.

Its not like this guy just forgot about the money for 4 weeks. I sent him 15PM's reminding him, and each time he gave me a specific date he would pay me. Each date came and went without any money or a word from him. So I'm not sure where he gets where I said to take all the time he wants.

I posted in the other thread 6 weeks ago after 2 weeks of arguing with this guy that I'm returning the card anyways and it would be nice if he returned my money. He wrote that he would be paying me the money on a thursday - 2 days later, so I figured he would and returned the card.

Worst trade I've ever done, and if this doesn't justify a negative heatware, I don't know what does.

PS. Flintblade said 6 weeks ago that he would not only return my money, but fix the card and give it to me as a gift. I've just let that slide, cause I knew there was no chance of him actually doing that - just an interesting side note.

I've got $40 of my money back, this particular case is closed after about 20 hours of effort, and only after I started a thread and left him negative heat. As soon as the ***** hit the fan, he could all of a sudden pay that day. I'm glad I have the money, I wouldn't trade this guy sand for water if I was dying of thirst in a desert, and suggest everyone else do the same.

For everyone else's sake, I'm not removing the negative heat because it is more than justified, the fact that this guy asked me 3 times for positive heat before he would even refund the money is rediculous.

[deep]

You're a wanker. You never once said it was as-is. You think I would pay $45 for a 9600pro sold as-is? $5 maybe.

I have to take boo's side here, again. When I was discussing a couple of possible trades with flintblade, he offered up that card, and while he did say there was something wrong with the fan, he also said it worked perfectly. There was no mention of "as-is" condition in the sale thread at that time or in our PMs. This was quite some time ago, so it's possible that he changed the thread after I visited it.

[XXXTCY]

Boo, it's good to know that you finally got your money back after such a fiasco. I applaud your patience and perseverance.

[Mendes]

I think the Negative should be left where it is.

Removing it wont help anyone except flintblade. Leaving it will help the rest of the community.

I understand that it resolved now but a 6 week delayed payment which still doesnt total the out of pocket amount DOES denote a negative feedback. Even if it was refunded the experience is negative.

[cy]

FlintBlade, do not send me PM telling me the card was working fine. I personally don't care, and apparently no proof for that.

From his PM:
The card isn't defective. IT works fine, probably was just overheating for boo4842.

But I will sleep on it, if it makes you feel better :cheesygri :D

If you get banned, it would make me feel awesome.

[Fox2k]

lol I got a PM from him as well following my last post.

FlintBlade, do not send me PM telling me the card was working fine. I personally don't care, and apparently no proof for that.

If you get banned, it would make me feel awesome.

[cy]

lol I got a PM from him as well following my last post.

lol. This kid has nothing to do. Listen FlintBlade, sending us pm will NOT get your negative remove.

this is funny.

[Moe_Mentum]

Terrible Seller.. It almost seems like he wanted to blackmail you by only giving you a refund if you left him Positive heatware. I added this guy to my ban list. I hope others do the same, I definetly will not be dealing with Flintblade in the near future.

[Gee]

I am totally speechless and dumb founded.

I can't believe this was not resloved till a few days ago.

Sheer stupidity. The last thread ruined Flintblade's reputation, this thread made it worse. To a point where your intelligence is at question.

This next comment goes to the few that agreed with Flintblade on the 4 years for the refund.

You are all morons. If you think Boo meant, sure, take your time, pay me back in 4 years. You are all idiots.

You can ban me for slander, but if someone says take your time. It means a REASONALBE amount of time. NOT SIX WEEKS, definitely not 4 YEARS.

Why just make it 4 years. Lets make it 40 years. Flint will be 58 years old. Maybe he would have grown up by then. Hell, I am sure that Boo will appreciate getting his money in 40 years. Maybe he can buy a cup of coffee with it.

[Mark099]

Personally, I think anyone that doesn't make good on a trade within 15 days (i.e. shipping, payment, refund, etc.) of the original agreement should be banned from posting in any RFD BST forum and have their PMs disabled (and public email addresses enabled).

They can still read RFD forums and post in all non-BST forums. However, they would not be able to PM someone or receive PMs just in case it would involve buying or selling.

If the troll makes good, then the ban is reduced to 90 days and is given the status of "bad trader" under his nickname.

[sassysue]

Flintblade Do not Trade list? do we have one on rfd? i think we should because he be the top of the list and congrats on being an idiot that you are all this time!! Great we really don't want you as a user on rfd and your not welcome here anymore so find somewhere else because no one will ever deal with you after what just happened??? wtf are you stupid?:!:

[evanx]

Bans would not resolve the issue. I suggest lodging a report with the authorities before meeting him in person at his address to resolve it. Once the issue is over, the report can be withdrawn. Otherwise, there will be a record on his files that I'm sure any employer will be interested to discover.

[ezbst]

There is always the option of just taking it outside and resolving things mano-a-mano. :)

[Mark099]

Bans would not resolve the issue. I suggest lodging a report with the authorities before meeting him in person at his address to resolve it. Once the issue is over, the report can be withdrawn. Otherwise, there will be a record on his files that I'm sure any employer will be interested to discover.

For true trolls, maybe not, but they won't care anyway.

I think the threat of a ban and having "bad trader" status would cause people like Flint to settle up right away instead of taking 6 weeks, then only settling after he's been called out again.

[BlueMax]

Make a note of the name and address - in case he changes accounts, IPs, and tries to do it all over again! :mad: :mad:

[BlueMax]

There is always the option of just taking it outside and resolving things mano-a-mano. :)

As fun as it may be to think that - don't! Even writing such things can be shown to police as a threat of violence or death! Never tip the scales in a bad trader's favour by even suggesting a beating! Jokingly or otherwise!

[ezbst]

As fun as it may be to think that - don't! Even writing such things can be shown to police as a threat of violence or death! Never tip the scales in a bad trader's favour by even suggesting a beating! Jokingly or otherwise!

This isn't my fight, I'm just stating the obvious in a semi-serious manner. I doubt I can be incriminated for suggesting that one person beat up the other. But hey, if someone wants to print out my little post and take it to the cops, be my guest, I'd be curious to see what comes of it...

Anyway... my way of resolving this issue would be direct contact. Confront the person and demand your money back, especially if you know their name and where they live. People are generally more co-operative in person than when they are hiding behind computer screens and aliases.

It doesn't necessarily have to degrade to violence.

</2cents>

[Lil Big Mec]

This isn't my fight, I'm just stating the obvious in a semi-serious manner. I doubt I can be incriminated for suggesting that one person beat up the other. But hey, if someone wants to print out my little post and take it to the cops, be my guest, I'd be curious to see what comes of it...

Anyway... my way of resolving this issue would be direct contact. Confront the person and demand your money back, especially if you know their name and where they live. People are generally more co-operative in person than when they are hiding behind computer screens and aliases.

It doesn't necessarily have to degrade to violence.

</2cents>

What I would have done is go to where Flintblade works and confront him there in a loud voice everyone can hear, since he picked the card up there in the first place and knows where it is. Embarassment and humiliation in the work place can be a great motivator ;)

[sassysue]

What I would have done is go to where Flintblade works and confront him there in a loud voice everyone can hear, since he picked the card up there in the first place and knows where it is. Embarassment and humiliation in the work place can be a great motivator ;)

:D yea lets all show up to flintblade work :cheesygri :lol:

[cy]

:D yea lets all show up to flintblade work :cheesygri :lol:

I like that idea...alot.

[subliminal]

Question: Where is the original thread on this video card? Even if it's edited or deleted, shouldn't a moderator or admin be able view it as it's archived and all iterations of edits be recorded?

[Cyber6]

I got the $40 today - he sent it to the 'wrong email first', so I'm only down $11, about 10 hours of my life - 45PM's, and some kid messing up my reputation and experience with the board.



Are you kidding me??? After all this time.. and all the sh*t he'd put you through..???

He shouldn't be banned, he should be shot like any scumbag.


Don't even think about removing that negative heat. He deserves that.


C.

[ah bao]

what a joker this flintblade is... can't believe all he got was a neg. feedback... he needs to be banned!

[Shampoo.kr]

Wow, can't believe all this went on with flintblade.

I've had some PMs with him about this and that and noticed that he was a bit over the top at times, but didn't think of him as a bad person. Maybe just a little immature, but wow.

I guess that attitude came back and bit you in the rear.

More courtesy and respect for future trades man, or you might lose face completely on this great board we have here.

:|

[NortHWizarD]

he has been added to my DNT list now as well...

I can not believe how he dragged this on and on and on - there most definitely needs to be a public list of bad traders on RFD, and proven bad traders/scammers should be banned, whether temp or perm, and like another poster said, should have 'bad trader' placed under their name with a link to the reason(s)

~NortH~

[sassysue]

he has been added to my DNT list now as well...

I can not believe how he dragged this on and on and on - there most definitely needs to be a public list of bad traders on RFD, and proven bad traders/scammers should be banned, whether temp or perm, and like another poster said, should have 'bad trader' placed under their name with a link to the reason(s)

~NortH~



Well that be a very smart move for Red Flags i mean howardforums has one and it's good and also a private forum where issues can be resolved like this come on Rfd admins gotta change something before some really happens!!

[axeman]

glad to hear you got most of your money back Boo,you would think that after all flintblade put you through,he could have refunded the full amount.this shows how classless this childlike joker is.
there is no possible way i would ever consider removing the negitive heatware.every time he looks at his heat,he should be reminded of the stupid decisions he has made in this deal.
admin. should really sticky this for a few months ,and sort of keep an eye on Flintblade.
i know it has been brought up before,but there really should be a list here for rfd'ers to check on people that deal this way.maybe if enough people request this from Admin.maybe they will finally take it serious and do something about,you never know unless you try.

[holyheaven]

i have pity for thses kind of idiots...ruin their reputation for $45??

no wonder why he always takes so long to sell something...

[Shampoo.kr]

i have pity for thses kind of idiots...ruin their reputation for $45??

no wonder why he always takes so long to sell something...



I completely agree with you.

Reputation is invaluable on boards like this. It's what helps keep everything going. If people kept worrying about getting scammed and there was a high risk of being a victim then no one would trade on these sort of boards and we wouldn't have access to a service such as this.

Like ebay for instance.

Cheers,
Mike

[Happy13178]

Given that the majority of posters in this thread say that they added flint to a personal dnt list, is there really any point at allowing him to stay on the website at all? Seeing how long this took to resolve and the attitude of flint throughout, I can see this happening again over and over. Since the OP probably shouldn't post the guys address (although he probably deserves that too), the mods should be proactive in protecting users from going through this again and just axe him.