Smokers...why do some of you litter?

[PLUSorMINUS]

It ticks me off when I find a pile of cigarette butts littered in a parking lot or on the street curb. While I was getting out of my car today, I saw some guy (dressed in a suit no doubt) empty out his ash try on to the edge of the sidewalk/curb! He must have had the equivalent of 40 butts in there! Then he just started his car and drove away. I wanted to say something before he drove off, but then again I didn't want to start 'litter-rage' and get my butt kicked.

Why can't wait till you get home and empty your car's ash trays into a garbage can???? Why do some of you litter and think it's ok to dump your butts anywhere you feel like??? Stop littering and keep the city clean!

Sheesh!

[ullyeus]

Probably the same reason people who don't smoke litter.

[divx]

i'm more concerned about them giving other people cancer (2nd hand smoking) than littering

[nini1204]

i'm more concerned about them giving other people cancer (2nd hand smoking) than littering

agree

[Thundercloud]

If you pay more attention to the ground, you'd be very surprised how many cigarette butts and gums you'll see.

[perplexed_one]

It ticks me off when I find a pile of cigarette butts littered in a parking lot or on the street curb. While I was getting out of my car today, I saw some guy (dressed in a suit no doubt) empty out his ash try on to the edge of the sidewalk/curb! He must have had the equivalent of 40 butts in there! Then he just started his car and drove away. I wanted to say something before he drove off, but then again I didn't want to start 'litter-rage' and get my butt kicked.

Why can't wait till you get home and empty your car's ash trays into a garbage can???? Why do some of you litter and think it's ok to dump your butts anywhere you feel like??? Stop littering and keep the city clean!

Sheesh!

because nobody's gonna do anything about it. it's sad but that's reality.

go to your MP and raise hell!

[mrlooneytoon]

I find the phlegm that gets spit out even more disgusting.

[hightechfan]

It ticks me off when I find a pile of cigarette butts littered in a parking lot or on the street curb. While I was getting out of my car today, I saw some guy (dressed in a suit no doubt) empty out his ash try on to the edge of the sidewalk/curb! He must have had the equivalent of 40 butts in there! Then he just started his car and drove away. I wanted to say something before he drove off, but then again I didn't want to start 'litter-rage' and get my butt kicked.

Why can't wait till you get home and empty your car's ash trays into a garbage can???? Why do some of you litter and think it's ok to dump your butts anywhere you feel like??? Stop littering and keep the city clean!

Sheesh!

How about all of the people that toss crap out of there cars.Thats is 10 times worse.

[Sharp]

Tis a dirty world. :lol:
I find it gross, I find littering disgusting too. Bodily fluids are nasty, spit on a lawn or sewer. :lol:

[JetHeller]

Do you get pissed off at the trees too? Those bastards dump their leaves all over the street. Let's start a post about that too!

[d_jedi]

i'm more concerned about them giving other people cancer (2nd hand smoking) than littering
++

[konfusion666]

Do you get pissed off at the trees too? Those bastards dump their leaves all over the street. Let's start a post about that too!

I hate those bastuhds too. Especially when they drop their crappy little leaves on my car, which get stuck under the front of the hood! *shakes fist*

[veejam]

i hate how they spit everywhere.

[sportmiester]

My pet peeve (pun intended) is with my neighbours' dogs that leave their stinky dumps on my lawn. I haven't actually caught one in the act so can't confront my neighbour. But I hate picking up after them - damned irresponsible owners!

[nano]

My pet peeve (pun intended) is with my neighbours' dogs that leave their stinky dumps on my lawn. I haven't actually caught one in the act so can't confront my neighbour. But I hate picking up after them - damned irresponsible owners!

scoop it up and leave it on their door step

[i6s1]

I don't know why, but smokers just seem to think that cig butts aren't litter. They are contstantly tossing them on the ground - even ones who wouldn't throw a bag of mcdonalds garbage out the window will throw 20 butts a day on the ground.

And don't gimme that crap about catching garbage on fire if they throw it in a bin. It's November, and every garbage can in Vancouver is soaked through, it's not gonna start a fire. You just put it on the ground, snuff out the flame, pick it up, and put it in a garbage can. Easy.

[ImJJ]

I see people tossing cigarette butts from their car almost everyday.
If fact I saw one this morning on the way to work.
I am so tempted to give out his car's license plate number coz it's so unique.
Actually, if you are reading this owner of the 2 double letters and ends with 288 license plate, GET YOUR CIGARETTE BUTTS OFF THE STREET!!!

[sterdeus]

Smokers are weak to the addiction of cigarettes and I think they litter because it gives them control like they own the street. Honestly, if smokers still smoke because its cool, grow up. Otherwise, whats their reasoning for smoking?

[Nikita]

Smokers are weak to the addiction of cigarettes and I think they litter because it gives them control like they own the street.

Ok, that has to be the silliest psycho-babble I've ever heard.

Stop thinking so hard, litter is litter, cigarette butts are no worse than coffee cups, pop cans or anything else. There will always be those who litter, and those who don't....whether one smokes or not has nothing to do with it.

[googoo]

"Do you get pissed off at the trees too? Those bastards dump their leaves all over the street"

Dumb .... dumb statement!

Brent

[CanadaBoy]

The real question is... why do they smoke in the first place?

[CanadaBoy]

"Do you get pissed off at the trees too? Those bastards dump their leaves all over the street"

Dumb .... dumb statement!

Brent

Without those "bastards" you would be dead :cheesygri

[Diamondog]

Ok, that has to be the silliest psycho-babble I've ever heard.

Stop thinking so hard, litter is litter, cigarette butts are no worse than coffee cups, pop cans or anything else. There will always be those who litter, and those who don't....whether one smokes or not has nothing to do with it.

Cigarettes are much worse than a coffee cup or pop can, those items are not leakling toxic chemicals into the ground. Littering is bad period but cigarettes are worse in every sense!

[corrupt123]

Ok, that has to be the silliest psycho-babble I've ever heard.

Stop thinking so hard, litter is litter, cigarette butts are no worse than coffee cups, pop cans or anything else. There will always be those who litter, and those who don't....whether one smokes or not has nothing to do with it.

I disagree. I know lots of people who give everyone **** for littering and dont litter themselves, but then will turn around and drop a butt on the ground without a second glance. I agree it's not because they need to feel like they control something, but saying smoking has nothing to do with it is wrong.

[CSAgent]

You guys ever go to Chinatown along Spadina? The litter there is horrendous. Damn Chinese people! I can say that because I'm Asian myself so it does not count as a racist comment.

[mself084]

My pet peeve (pun intended) is with my neighbours' dogs that leave their stinky dumps on my lawn. I haven't actually caught one in the act so can't confront my neighbour. But I hate picking up after them - damned irresponsible owners!

your neighbour walks his dog a few feet down the road to dump on your lawn? are you not liked, or...?

If the guy/girl is your next door neighbour, just flick the poo onto their lawn with your shovel.

[UrbanPoet]

i think regular litterers are worst...
a can/bottle is like 50 cig butts.

[Phr3sh]

Think about it, if smokers dont care about killing themselves and the people around them by smoking, do you really think they will care about littering?

[laptop-tech]

Do you get pissed off at the trees too? Those bastards dump their leaves all over the street. Let's start a post about that too!

I get pissed at people that make stupid comparissons.

[Nikita]

I get pissed at people that make stupid comparissons.

Me too, like this one:

Think about it, if smokers dont care about killing themselves and the people around them by smoking, do you really think they will care about littering?

That's like saying if you commit petty thievery, do you really think you will care about murdering. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Uggg...

[catlover]

:mad: What I hate is cigarettes on the balcony. I pretty use to see butts in public places but I don't think people living in condos and apartments should have to put up/clean up after their neighbors. Some people have pets and kids and its not fair that they have to worry about butts.

[Ojam]

Smokers in general just seem to be a whole lot less considerate of other people.

[konfusion666]

What sucks is when your office is full of them.
Then it's like you need to start smoking if you want to ascend the corporate ladder.

[Codegen]

What sucks is when your office is full of them.
Then it's like you need to start smoking if you want to ascend the corporate ladder.

*Is reminded of that episode of Friends where Rachel starts smoking because it's on the smoke-break where her co-workers make all the important decisions*

[justlam_]

stealing at first and if it continues. u might become a muderer

[dealtaker]

i think regular litterers are worst...
a can/bottle is like 50 cig butts.
A dirty disgusting butt is much worse then a can or bottle.

[dealtaker]

Ok, that has to be the silliest psycho-babble I've ever heard.

Stop thinking so hard, litter is litter, cigarette butts are no worse than coffee cups, pop cans or anything else. There will always be those who litter, and those who don't....whether one smokes or not has nothing to do with it.

Nope you are wrong.
Cigarette smokers in general just don't care about how their habit affects other people.
They don't care if they force someone else to breathe their toxic smoke and they don't care if someone else has to clean up their mess.

Of course there are exceptions but in general I have found this to be the case.

[maidennomore]

I don't think it really has anything to do with the fact that he's a smoker, rather he's probably just a human pig. I bet if you saw his underwear, there are indelible s*** stains on them...and he's probably been wearing them for the last few days without a wash.

[Phr3sh]

That's like saying if you commit petty thievery, do you really think you will care about murdering. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Uggg...

Except the other way around ;)

[i6s1]

Me too, like this one:



That's like saying if you commit petty thievery, do you really think you will care about murdering. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Uggg...

Close, it's more like saying that murderers don't really care about theft. The harm they do to themselves and others is greater then the damage done by their littering, so it's not surprising that they litter more then others.

[Nikita]

Except the other way around ;)

Close, it's more like saying that murderers don't really care about theft. The harm they do to themselves and others is greater then the damage done by their littering, so it's not surprising that they litter more then others.

My point remains the same, if you commit one type of crime doesn't mean you're prone to commit another totally different and unrelated type of crime. Even law enforcement recognizes that principle. And for those of you who know me, you know I rarely give credit to the way police conduct themselves.

[Amuse]

i hate how they spit everywhere.
I hate that too. Do smokers really need to spit?

Whats gross was one time I went to sit on an outside park bench and I accidentally stepped on a pile of slimy spit. Some guy was smoking there before since a cigarette butt was beside it. Just gross.

[i6s1]

My point remains the same, if you commit one type of crime doesn't mean you're prone to commit another totally different and unrelated type of crime. Even law enforcement recognizes that principle. And for those of you who know me, you know I rarely give credit to the way police conduct themselves.

Unrelated? I don't know any non-smokers who throw cigarette butts on the ground. Smokers litter more then non-smokers.

[Nikita]

I don't know any non-smokers who throw cigarette butts on the ground. Smokers litter more then non-smokers.

I have no idea what your first sentence is supposed to mean, at least as a response to my post which you quoted. As for your last sentence, well that's obviously nothing more than an assumption based on your dislike of smokers. I smoke...I don't litter...not even cigarette butts.

And I sure as hell don't spit! People who do, once again, that has nothing to do with smokers, that's just gross and ignorant pure and simple.

[YnD]

Smokers and their cancer sticks...
Its everyones air.

[Nikita]

Smokers and their cancer sticks...
Its everyones air.

This thread isn't about air, it's about litterers. Stay on topic ;)

[perplexed_one]

are there such bylaws that prohibit specifically the improper discarding of waste products created from the use of tobacco?

the main reason why smokers litter is because they are lazy, plus the fact they dont give a crap about their health so why would they give a damn about mother nature?

[Nikita]

are there such bylaws that prohibit specifically the improper discarding of waste products created from the use of tobacco?

the main reason why smokers litter is because they are lazy, plus the fact they dont give a crap about their health so why would they give a damn about mother nature?

*Shaking head* Such ridiculous logic.

[perplexed_one]

*Shaking head* Such ridiculous logic.

how is that ridiculous?

it's the truth, smokers are too lazy to carry their butts (pun intended) to a garbage can, even when one is available nearby.

and smokers dont care about their own health or the environment. even if they dont litter the ground with ash, they pollute the air with smoke. they have a mentality that says "one more cigarette wont kill me, one more cigarette on the ground wont screw up nature."

face the facts, sister.

[Nikita]

how is that ridiculous?

it's the truth, smokers are too lazy to carry their butts (pun intended) to a garbage can, even when one is available nearby.

and smokers dont care about their own health or the environment. even if they dont litter the ground with ash, they pollute the air with smoke. they have a mentality that says "one more cigarette wont kill me, one more cigarette on the ground wont screw up nature."

face the facts, sister.

I'll face the facts when you cite some facts. So far it's only your opinion, bro.

[dealtaker]

Originally Posted by perplexed_one
how is that ridiculous?

it's the truth, smokers are too lazy to carry their butts (pun intended) to a garbage can, even when one is available nearby.

and smokers dont care about their own health or the environment. even if they dont litter the ground with ash, they pollute the air with smoke. they have a mentality that says "one more cigarette wont kill me, one more cigarette on the ground wont screw up nature."

face the facts, sister.


I'll face the facts when you cite some facts. So far it's only your opinion, bro.

I am pretty sure they have proven that smoking is bad for the health of the smoker as well as the health of everyone around them.
I am gonna have to say those are facts.

Do you smoke in public?
Do you drop your ashes on the ground?
If you do you are littering, face it.

[Diamondog]

Me too, like this one:



That's like saying if you commit petty thievery, do you really think you will care about murdering. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Uggg...

You are way off base, no I'd say his comparrison is within reason where yours is not....someone who smokes, polutes the air and those around them would not care about throwing their butts on the ground...

[Diamondog]

My point remains the same, if you commit one type of crime doesn't mean you're prone to commit another totally different and unrelated type of crime. Even law enforcement recognizes that principle. And for those of you who know me, you know I rarely give credit to the way police conduct themselves.

Again way off base...smoking a cigarette and throwing the butt on the ground are very closely related as most smokers do this almost always when smoking outside and there is not some sort of receptacle RIGHT there and even then it's a stretch, where as being a petty thief and a murderer are not even in the same ball park.

[Diamondog]

I smoke..

Ahhh and there it is folks.

[Nikita]

I am pretty sure they have proven that smoking is bad for the health of the smoker as well as the health of everyone around them.
I am gonna have to say those are facts.

Do you smoke in public?
Do you drop your ashes on the ground?
If you do you are littering, face it.

I'll fill in where your selective reading leaves holes. I have not said that 'smoking is bad for the health of all' is not a fact. Or course it is, as well as for the environment I might add.

I only smoke in public at outdoor cafes and bars and use ashtrays. So no I do not drop ashes on the ground. Nor do I throw butts on the ground because I don't smoke while I'm walking, like I said only in a legal-to-smoke locations where ashtrays are required to be present.

So, as to your questions, I already stated (the selective part I guess you missed) I don't throw my butts on the ground, nor do I litter in any other manner.

I am not littering...face it. But, omigosh, I'm a smoker!

Filling in the other selective posts you missed, the Facts I was asking for were facts that showed smokers litter more than non-smokers.

So...you kinda wasted a lot of white space there. Next time, read it all...you may find your post had already been responded to and that your questions were answered in those posts. And you might have realized you weren't even responding to the issue which discussion you spoke on.

[perplexed_one]

I'll face the facts when you cite some facts. So far it's only your opinion, bro.

yep tell that to the trillions of cigarette butts on the ground around the globe. http://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=cigarette+litter&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

Ahhh and there it is folks.

that explains alot.

just so you know Nikita, we aren't picking on you personally;)

[konfusion666]

I have no idea what your first sentence is supposed to mean, at least as a response to my post which you quoted. As for your last sentence, well that's obviously nothing more than an assumption based on your dislike of smokers. I smoke...I don't litter...not even cigarette butts.

All he's saying is that:

Non-smokers may litter X.

Smokers may litter X, but may also litter their cigarette butts (denote them as Y). Therefore, Smokers litter X+Y.

X+Y > X

Therefore, smokers tend to litter more than non-smokers.

:twisted:

[Nikita]

yep tell that to the trillions of cigarette butts on the ground around the globe. http://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=cigarette+litter&meta=&btnG=Google+Search



that explains alot.

Just so you know Nikita, we aren't picking on you personally;)

OK...now google how many cig butts there are compared to other litter and you'll be able to factually back up what you said...the facts I was challenging you for.

Yes, my smoking does explain a lot. It explains how some smokers behave responsibly with their butts and that smokers, in proportion to anyone else, don't litter anymore than the average person...oooh lets say for example, like drivers who pollute the air and/or/etc industry that pollutes the air, kills the trees, pollutes our rivers which then kills the fish etc etc etc.

Btw, perplexed one, thanks but I don't feel picked on at all, ty..;) I make no apologies for my ONE unhealthy habit and I, like many other smokers I know do my best to keep my unhealthy habit from affecting those non-smokers who, yes, I do believe have a right not to breath my second hand smoke.

[perplexed_one]

im willing to bet most smokers have similar habits to non-smokers, ie driving a car, producing garbage.

now all things being equal which they are more or less, generally smokers litter more because of their habit. of course this doesnt apply to everyone, but it is a general trend.

it's true non-smokers pollute/litter, but smokers do it a bit more.

[Ojam]

http://www.litterbutt.com/v3/StopLitter/SoWhat.aspx

[Nikita]

im willing to bet most smokers have similar habits to non-smokers, ie driving a car, producing garbage.

now all things being equal which they are more or less, generally smokers litter more because of their habit. of course this doesnt apply to everyone, but it is a general trend.

it's true non-smokers pollute/litter, but smokers do it a bit more.

I'd concede that smokers pollute more, but not that they litter more. On the weekends, cuz I live right downtown, my building has a lot of parties. The litter left in the elevators is generally coffee cups, junk food bags, McD's wrappers, Pizza Pizza wrappers etc. I never see cigarette butts or ashes or even empty cigarette packs.

I guess to be accurate we'd have to say that smokers who are also litterers AND throw butts on the ground litter more than another person who litters but doesn't smoke. But without stats, that's about the most honest conclusion with the facts we have (or don't have).

Would you agree with that?

[Nikita]

Ojam, I don't click on random links in a post. If you have something to add that will tell me why I should read it, feel free. Then I'll decide.

[dealtaker]

Originally Posted by perplexed_one
how is that ridiculous?

it's the truth, smokers are too lazy to carry their butts (pun intended) to a garbage can, even when one is available nearby.

and smokers dont care about their own health or the environment. even if they dont litter the ground with ash, they pollute the air with smoke. they have a mentality that says "one more cigarette wont kill me, one more cigarette on the ground wont screw up nature."

face the facts, sister.


Originally Posted by Nikita
I'll face the facts when you cite some facts. So far it's only your opinion, bro.




Originally Posted by dealtaker
I am pretty sure they have proven that smoking is bad for the health of the smoker as well as the health of everyone around them.
I am gonna have to say those are facts.

Do you smoke in public?
Do you drop your ashes on the ground?
If you do you are littering, face it.

I'll fill in where your selective reading leaves holes. I have not said that 'smoking is bad for the health of all' is not a fact. Or course it is, as well as for the environment I might add.

I only smoke in public at outdoor cafes and bars and use ashtrays. So no I do not drop ashes on the ground. Nor do I throw butts on the ground because I don't smoke while I'm walking, like I said only in a legal-to-smoke locations where ashtrays are required to be present.

So, as to your questions, I already stated (the selective part I guess you missed) I don't throw my butts on the ground, nor do I litter in any other manner.

I am not littering...face it. But, omigosh, I'm a smoker!

Filling in the other selective posts you missed, the Facts I was asking for were facts that showed smokers litter more than non-smokers.

So...you kinda wasted a lot of white space there. Next time, read it all...you may find your post had already been responded to and that your questions were answered in those posts. And you might have realized you weren't even responding to the issue which discussion you spoke on.

Perhaps you should read before you post.
Maybe in your own head you were only responding to a part of the post but you didn't really make that clear.

p.s. You are still polluting the environment by smoking.

[hi-tech]

Jesus. Canadian non-smokers are losers. People in the States would beat you guys up just for acting like such p*ssy's. No one is asking you to come near me while I'm smoking, no one is asking you to specifically stand in the one spot where the wind takes the smoke to that spot. Its ok to be slightly inconvenienced. Just like people who walk slow in the halls, should we tax them too? They waste my precious time and annoying. OOO. Grow up people.

[billdozer]

Ojam, I don't click on random links in a post. If you have something to add that will tell me why I should read it, feel free. Then I'll decide.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/user/index.php?action=logout&uri=/forums/index.php

[Ojam]

Ojam, I don't click on random links in a post. If you have something to add that will tell me why I should read it, feel free. Then I'll decide.

If you want to be spoon fed, I wont be doing it. If you want to stay ignorant, then that is your right.

[Insane_Pikachu]

Which is safer, throwing the cigarette on the ground or in a garbage can? There are not a lot of places to dispose cigarettes especially right after you've had one. I know in the long run, its bad for the environment because it ends up washed into the sewers and into the lake. The only way to solve this problem is, ban smoking completely anywhere. And we all know thats never going to happen. The world is not going to get better, we're all doomed.

[Diamondog]

Jesus. Canadian non-smokers are losers. People in the States would beat you guys up just for acting like such p*ssy's. No one is asking you to come near me while I'm smoking, no one is asking you to specifically stand in the one spot where the wind takes the smoke to that spot. Its ok to be slightly inconvenienced. Just like people who walk slow in the halls, should we tax them too? They waste my precious time and annoying. OOO. Grow up people.

You can't see the big picture eh? Not surprising all that smoke is polluting your brain.

[Diamondog]

http://www.redflagdeals.com/user/index.php?action=logout&uri=/forums/index.php

Pr1ck! That is a very Costanza thing to do :lol:

[Diamondog]

The only way to solve this problem is, ban smoking completely anywhere.

The only intelligent thing said in this thread...

[Nikita]

If you want to be spoon fed, I wont be doing it. If you want to stay ignorant, then that is your right.

LOL...if I want to be spoon fed, it won't be you doing the feeding. And I seriously doubt I'll suddenly become ignorant by not clicking on your random links.:rolleyes:

Pr1ck! That is a very Costanza thing to do :lol:

Ooooh dozer, were you trying to play a trick on me? Ha...good thing I read to the end of the page first, even though I kinda, almost, somewhat trust you and might have clicked it earlier....LOL. (Diamondog, what's in the linky? :lol: )

[Diamondog]

LOL...if I want to be spoon fed, it won't be you doing the feeding. And I seriously doubt I'll suddenly become ignorant by not clicking on your random links.:rolleyes:



Ooooh dozer, were you trying to play a trick on me? Ha...good thing I read to the end of the page first, even though I kinda, almost, somewhat trust you and might have clicked it earlier....LOL. (Diamondog, what's in the linky? :lol: )

His avatar made me do it, it's such a funny episode.