Playstation 3: worth the $$$ on launch day?

[jamgyu]

just wondering what everyone thinks about the ps3... is it really worth the $750 CAN for the 60gig (after taxes)?

when could we anticipate a possible price drop?

i pre-ordered one and am having second thoughts about keeping it or not...

anyone here think it'll sell really well on ebay just like the x-box360 did?

[cipher]

You mean you're going to buy one and then sell it on Eb@y to try to make a profit?

[hightechfan]

just wondering what everyone thinks about the ps3... is it really worth the $750 CAN for the 60gig (after taxes)?

when could we anticipate a possible price drop?

i pre-ordered one and am having second thoughts about keeping it or not...

anyone here think it'll sell really well on ebay just like the x-box360 did?

As for a price drop maybe in in a year more likely 2-3.Is it worth it i think its a great system i am no interest in buying one.For me i am getting the wii,360 hd dvd,zune player that what i am getting witch comes to $800.It all depends what you want and how much you will use it.They will sell on ebay like hot cakes.

[jamgyu]

You mean you're going to buy one and then sell it on Eb@y to try to make a profit?

the thought has crossed my mind...

i ordered the unit in april at toys r us before even knowing how much it was going to cost...

i'm having second thoughts now for several reasons... #1 it's pretty expensive, #2 i don't even have a TV that can display HD (i do have a projector though)

plus my brother also ordered one and he's for sure keeping it so i could always borrow his :cheesygri

[Headhunter]

I chose the 360, the upcoming HD-DVD drive and a few games over the PS3. Other than Lair, none of the exclusives for Sony's new box have really impressed me...

[kingsley]

the thought has crossed my mind...

i ordered the unit in april at toys r us before even knowing how much it was going to cost...

i'm having second thoughts now for several reasons... #1 it's pretty expensive, #2 i don't even have a TV that can display HD (i do have a projector though)

plus my brother also ordered one and he's for sure keeping it so i could always borrow his :cheesygri

You pre-orded in april? Is that possible?

[jamgyu]

i ordered it on april 7th to be exact

i was actually the first person to pre-order at that location :cheesygri

[eelfliw]

Its not worth the $$$ on launch day.

I'm just getting into PS2s now. Bought a used one off of ebay + 25 games for $200.

Had some friends come over. They've had PS2 ever since it came out and bought tonnes of games @ full price ($50 - $70 each).

They can't find any difference in the games. It plays the same as their $300+ PS2 & $60 game.

Now, if you're the type that must have the latest & greatest to show off, then you'll have to pay the price.

I don't need to show off. So I'm going to wait until PS4 comes out and then order PS3 & games for a fraction of the price over ebay.

[tdotcbc84]

Its not worth the $$$ on launch day.

I'm just getting into PS2s now. Bought a used one off of ebay + 25 games for $200.

Had some friends come over. They've had PS2 ever since it came out and bought tonnes of games @ full price ($50 - $70 each).

They can't find any difference in the games. It plays the same as their $300+ PS2 & $60 game.

Now, if you're the type that must have the latest & greatest to show off, then you'll have to pay the price.

I don't need to show off. So I'm going to wait until PS4 comes out and then order PS3 & games for a fraction of the price over ebay.

PS4 ? have fun waiting :)

[Jon Lai]

Its not worth the $$$ on launch day.

I'm just getting into PS2s now. Bought a used one off of ebay + 25 games for $200.

Had some friends come over. They've had PS2 ever since it came out and bought tonnes of games @ full price ($50 - $70 each).

They can't find any difference in the games. It plays the same as their $300+ PS2 & $60 game.

Now, if you're the type that must have the latest & greatest to show off, then you'll have to pay the price.

I don't need to show off. So I'm going to wait until PS4 comes out and then order PS3 & games for a fraction of the price over ebay.

As much as I LOVE YOU for your avatar against Chan Sui Bian, I'm going to have to say, my friend, you're kind of sad. Getting a PS2 now, yes, you get great value for it, but wait... I can't beat mission X in Game XYZ... ask friends.. Oh, I beat that game long time ago, can't remember how to beat it no more, or, what? You're still playing that old game? Talk about being laughed at.

Also, for most of us, how in the world can you wait so long for a game that you LOVE? For me, that's Final Fantasy, hense, I won't get a PS3 for myself (for eBay is another story) until FFXIII is out, and give it a month or two to find the best sale price for it, then I must get it and play.

If you wait another 5 years, you'll probably see PS2 for $100 with 400 games. Heck, why don't you just get a PSOne on eBay with 10 Million games and 5000 controllers for $50? That's value for you.

Why are you using a computer? Why do you have a TV? Why not just stick to newspaper for news? Your 29" CRT at home only costs like $100 on eBay, and you probably spent $1000 for it 10 years ago.

Get my point? If still no, you're quite sad.

[Aero]

Its not worth the $$$ on launch day.

I'm just getting into PS2s now. Bought a used one off of ebay + 25 games for $200.

Had some friends come over. They've had PS2 ever since it came out and bought tonnes of games @ full price ($50 - $70 each).

They can't find any difference in the games. It plays the same as their $300+ PS2 & $60 game.

Now, if you're the type that must have the latest & greatest to show off, then you'll have to pay the price.

I don't need to show off. So I'm going to wait until PS4 comes out and then order PS3 & games for a fraction of the price over ebay.

Dont forget you can buy a Pentium 3 computer for $100. I mean its as slow as the Pentium 3 computer that some guy bought for $2,000. If you ask him he will say that its no different the $100 p3 pc plays the same game, run the same program as as the $2,00 p3 bought 5 years ago. Why go with the latest and greatest, right?

Oh yeah you can buy those games and software for like $10 or less. I mean why pay for a $50 game.

[Grand Master B]

Look at the launch titles, nothing IMO. Sony, Microsoft and Developers are rushing it. I think gamers are getting into the hype.

It took almost a year for 360 to come out with good games, next thing you know your $500, $800 purchase is just collecting dust. It's always like this with every System launch, so I'm not taking sides.

In the end, it's up to you and what type of gamer are you?

[jamgyu]

Look at the launch titles, nothing IMO. Sony, Microsoft and Developers are rushing it. I think gamers are getting into the hype.

It took almost a year for 360 to come out with good games, next thing you know your $500, $800 purchase is just collecting dust. It's always like this with every System launch, so I'm not taking sides.

In the end, it's up to you and what type of gamer are you?

i think there are few decent launch titles coming out.... the new tony hawk game and call of duty 3 are 2 i'd pick up right away

[Aero]

Here are the launch titles

[PS3 LAUNCH TITLES]
Resistance: Fall of Man
NBA 07
Genji: Days of the Blade
Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
Fight Night Round 3
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
F.E.A.R
Full Auto 2: Battlelines
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
NBA 2K7
Need For Speed Carbon
NHL 2K7
Ridge Racer 7
Sonic the Hedgehog
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
Tony Hawk's Project
Untold Legends Dark Kingdom

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The only ones that I want to play wont be out til early next year or later. Like metal gear solid or gran turismo.

Btw the first 500,000 batch that will be coming to NA will have taladega nights BD with it, something to do with showing the quality of hd.

[jamgyu]

Btw the first 500,000 batch that will be coming to NA will have taladega nights BD with it, something to do with showing the quality of hd.

i read that they were gonna do this too



"shake n' bake baby!"

i loved that movie

[omegas_decree]

As much as I LOVE YOU for your avatar against Chan Sui Bian, I'm going to have to say, my friend, you're kind of sad. Getting a PS2 now, yes, you get great value for it, but wait... I can't beat mission X in Game XYZ... ask friends.. Oh, I beat that game long time ago, can't remember how to beat it no more, or, what? You're still playing that old game? Talk about being laughed at.

Also, for most of us, how in the world can you wait so long for a game that you LOVE? For me, that's Final Fantasy, hense, I won't get a PS3 for myself (for eBay is another story) until FFXIII is out, and give it a month or two to find the best sale price for it, then I must get it and play.

If you wait another 5 years, you'll probably see PS2 for $100 with 400 games. Heck, why don't you just get a PSOne on eBay with 10 Million games and 5000 controllers for $50? That's value for you.

Why are you using a computer? Why do you have a TV? Why not just stick to newspaper for news? Your 29" CRT at home only costs like $100 on eBay, and you probably spent $1000 for it 10 years ago.

Get my point? If still no, you're quite sad.

Mmmm. The FF series. I want to get a PS3 JUST to play that. PS3 is scheduled for a November release right? Watch people sleep overnight at stores to get that 1 console per location that is going to be on sale for boxing day.

[Firestorm]

If the pre-order goes through (You'll have to be one of the first 10, probably first 5 to get one on launch day), then you're lucky. Get the system and then eBay it for $2000 or something. It will go that high. The 360 did and it was an Xbox. The PS3 will DEFINITELY hit that high. Just gotta go through the trouble of eBaying it, shipping it, etc.

[thehockeyguy]

i'm buying lots and sell.. probably order them from japan.. :)

[Ctwizzy]

Im a die hard sony fan and if I had the cash I would drop it on a PS3 at launch as I believe it is worth every penny and more that they are charging for it.

However with school and work I barely touch my ps2 and psp, furthermore none of the launch games are even slightly interesting. I waited for FFX to get released before I bought ps2, and ill do the same with PS3 with FFXIII.

The rush to next gen has been forced by Microsoft, it knew XBOX would never beat PS2 so it ran its prices to the ground in order to get its name out and a shred of user-base. Then it rushed into development of its successor while its system wasnt even 2 years old.

So inbetween now and FFXII we have many many games to play remember FFXII is coming out at the end of the month.

Enjoy if you do get it.

[thesparkleman]

the thought has crossed my mind...

i ordered the unit in april at toys r us before even knowing how much it was going to cost...

i'm having second thoughts now for several reasons... #1 it's pretty expensive, #2 i don't even have a TV that can display HD (i do have a projector though)

plus my brother also ordered one and he's for sure keeping it so i could always borrow his :cheesygri

I will gladly buy it from you now if you like?

[CameraBill]

If you have to ask this question then you can't afford it.

[jdmkidd]

I'm personally getting one just for the FF series but I'm in no rush to get one probably wait it out in case there are any issues with the system.

[Jon Lai]

Mmmm. The FF series. I want to get a PS3 JUST to play that. PS3 is scheduled for a November release right? Watch people sleep overnight at stores to get that 1 console per location that is going to be on sale for boxing day.

Yea, well, my point was, FFXIII won't be out until this time next year or even later, so I won't be buying one to keep anytime soon or at least it comes out first.

[booboi]

Looks like final fantasy is getting all the love here. And i TOTALLY agree. I would get ps3 when FF comes out, of course on top of that i would also want MGS4 and GTA5 =P (i think its 5...):lol:

[rilhouse]

i don't know why anybody would buy PS3 or Xbox360 on launch day. there is always problems with 1st gen hardware, few games, low supply of hardware & high prices.

i prefer to wait.

[ClubberLang]

If you could run a word processor, web browser with a keyboard and mouse I'd consider it worthwhile.

[booboi]

i don't know why anybody would buy PS3 or Xbox360 on launch day. there is always problems with 1st gen hardware, few games, low supply of hardware & high prices.

i prefer to wait.

no biggie, at most if problems just send it back (always have that warranty thing in handy) and best of all. You get a new system after using it for e.g. 6months!



"If you could run a word processor, web browser with a keyboard and mouse I'd consider it worthwhile."

Pretty sure they are coming up with something. Keyboard+ mouse and web browser is something that is certainly that will be out. but word processor dont really know

[HungJai]

I would be more then happy to pay you for your pre-order for your PS3 :razz:

[jamgyu]

If you could run a word processor, web browser with a keyboard and mouse I'd consider it worthwhile.

actually i know there's a web browser for it... it does have wifi connectivity

and i dont see why you wouldnt be able to connect a keyboard and mouse at some point... there are a couple usb ports on the unit

[zerocool24]

As much as I LOVE YOU for your avatar against Chan Sui Bian, I'm going to have to say, my friend, you're kind of sad. Getting a PS2 now, yes, you get great value for it, but wait... I can't beat mission X in Game XYZ... ask friends.. Oh, I beat that game long time ago, can't remember how to beat it no more, or, what? You're still playing that old game? Talk about being laughed at.

Also, for most of us, how in the world can you wait so long for a game that you LOVE? For me, that's Final Fantasy, hense, I won't get a PS3 for myself (for eBay is another story) until FFXIII is out, and give it a month or two to find the best sale price for it, then I must get it and play.

If you wait another 5 years, you'll probably see PS2 for $100 with 400 games. Heck, why don't you just get a PSOne on eBay with 10 Million games and 5000 controllers for $50? That's value for you.

Why are you using a computer? Why do you have a TV? Why not just stick to newspaper for news? Your 29" CRT at home only costs like $100 on eBay, and you probably spent $1000 for it 10 years ago.

Get my point? If still no, you're quite sad.

so basically you are saying that you care more what others think of you? I dont care if i am playing on a 4 year old console, it still has a lot of great titles, did you ever think that alot of people out there can't afford to spend more than 200 bucks on something like this and they want to get the best bang for their buck? I personally dont play consoles at all, i've had my xbox since the first price drop in 02(i beleive) and i must have spent at max 30-40 hours playing it, my 5 year old however has spent 3x that playing it.I dont get your point i guess that makes me sad, although imo i find it sad that you care so much about what others think about you.

[Emancipated]

so basically you are saying that you care more what others think of you? I dont care if i am playing on a 4 year old console, it still has a lot of great titles, did you ever think that alot of people out there can't afford to spend more than 200 bucks on something like this and they want to get the best bang for their buck? I personally dont play consoles at all, i've had my xbox since the first price drop in 02(i beleive) and i must have spent at max 30-40 hours playing it, my 5 year old however has spent 3x that playing it.I dont get your point i guess that makes me sad, although imo i find it sad that you care so much about what others think about you.


While I'm tempted to jump on the band wagon and lambaste Jon Lai myself, you should understand this board is populated with juveniles like himself. Most of these kids or young adults can splurge on the latest tech toys because they have no responsibilities whatsoever. Real world scenarios like providing for the family, making sure there's a roof over their heads, etc. are completely foreign to them.

Anyhow, the PS2 is still great value. These new consoles are milking the hard working consumers for every penny they have; it's not enough that you need the best consoles but the accessorized HD display with them. Crazy!

[eelfliw]

As much as I LOVE YOU for your avatar against Chan Sui Bian, I'm going to have to say, my friend, you're kind of sad. Getting a PS2 now, yes, you get great value for it, but wait... I can't beat mission X in Game XYZ... ask friends.. Oh, I beat that game long time ago, can't remember how to beat it no more, or, what? You're still playing that old game? Talk about being laughed at.

Also, for most of us, how in the world can you wait so long for a game that you LOVE? For me, that's Final Fantasy, hense, I won't get a PS3 for myself (for eBay is another story) until FFXIII is out, and give it a month or two to find the best sale price for it, then I must get it and play.

If you wait another 5 years, you'll probably see PS2 for $100 with 400 games. Heck, why don't you just get a PSOne on eBay with 10 Million games and 5000 controllers for $50? That's value for you.

Why are you using a computer? Why do you have a TV? Why not just stick to newspaper for news? Your 29" CRT at home only costs like $100 on eBay, and you probably spent $1000 for it 10 years ago.

Get my point? If still no, you're quite sad.
On the contrary, I think people who fork out hard earned $$$ to pay a premium price for the latest and greatest electronic games just so they can fit in with the rest of the crowd pretty sad. The same goes for people who complain that they have to wait a long time for a highly anticipated game. Why is there any anticipation at all? You're letting a computer game having too much control over your life.

It's just entertainment. There's no time dependency on entertainment. If you play it now or if you play it 10 years later, it's the same entertainment. Just look around to see how many people watch classic movies and still love it as if they're watching it for the first time. If you think your life depends on having the latest and greatest game immediately after release, then I'm afraid the game marketers have you by the balls. You're placing yourself completely at their mercy. That's sad.

Also, if you have friends that laugh and belittle you for playing an old computer game, you need to get new friends. It would be very sad if the only friends you have are ones who become your friends because you have the latest electronic toy.

Computers and consoles are tools for entertainment. Not tools for saving lives. You can do without computers & consoles just fine as there are many other forms of entertainment out there. And there are billions of people on earth who live without the latest in PS3 or 360. It's sad that ppl would rank the immediacy of having the latest console as entertainment so high on their list.

[eelfliw]

Dont forget you can buy a Pentium 3 computer for $100. I mean its as slow as the Pentium 3 computer that some guy bought for $2,000. If you ask him he will say that its no different the $100 p3 pc plays the same game, run the same program as as the $2,00 p3 bought 5 years ago. Why go with the latest and greatest, right?

Oh yeah you can buy those games and software for like $10 or less. I mean why pay for a $50 game.
Your logic is flawed. You're assuming that P3 performs the same as a quad Xeon server. That is wrong. In the old days (I did pay $2000 for a P3), it took 30+ hours to render a single drawing. Today, it takes under 15 minutes on a quad Xeon MP machine to render the same drawing. The quad Xeon box allows me to accomplish a lot more work in the same amount of time. The new computer does a lot more work.

As for PS2 vs PS3, it doesn't. Quantify for me how much MORE you are entertained by it. Are you twice or 3 times happier playing PS3 than playing PS2? Of course not. You haven't even played PS3 yet. Even if you did, how do you quantify happiness? The little kid living in the slums of Brazil think a soccer ball is the best entertainment in the world. And you probably used to think PS2 or 360 was the best entertainment in the world... until PS3 comes out. How do you justify something you can't quantify?

You can't equate the degree of your happiness from playing old consoles vs playing new consoles to how fast P3 vs quad Xeon processors. So, how can you justify paying a premium for PS3 when it's just introduced? That's why your logic if flawed.

Wait 3 years. It's still a PS3. And the entertainment factor is just the same as 3 years ago.

Like I said before, if you are the type who require friends' approval and adulation in order to feel good, then you need to get the PS3 now. Otherwise, just wait a few years a get a good deal.

[jamgyu]

people need to relax... we've all splurged on things that we deem worth the $$$... to each their own...

on that note... i figure at $750 (after taxes) the ps3 is ovbiously expensive... but it all depends on how important gaming is to you... i figure a pc that would render games in the same way a ps3 should, would cost about the same price or more expensive... so if gaming is what you like then it's not that unreasonable to spend the money on the ps3 when you'd probably dish out more $$$ for the equivalent performing PC

also let's not forget that the ps3 is also a blueray player... so if the home theatre is your thing then here's a relatively reasonably priced blue ray player (considering the ones availalbe are selling for around $1000)

[Jon Lai]

Your logic is flawed. You're assuming that P3 performs the same as a quad Xeon server. That is wrong. In the old days (I did pay $2000 for a P3), it took 30+ hours to render a single drawing. Today, it takes under 15 minutes on a quad Xeon MP machine to render the same drawing. The quad Xeon box allows me to accomplish a lot more work in the same amount of time. The new computer does a lot more work.

As for PS2 vs PS3, it doesn't. Quantify for me how much MORE you are entertained by it. Are you twice or 3 times happier playing PS3 than playing PS2? Of course not. You haven't even played PS3 yet. Even if you did, how do you quantify happiness? The little kid living in the slums of Brazil think a soccer ball is the best entertainment in the world. And you probably used to think PS2 or 360 was the best entertainment in the world... until PS3 comes out. How do you justify something you can't quantify?

You can't equate the degree of your happiness from playing old consoles vs playing new consoles to how fast P3 vs quad Xeon processors. So, how can you justify paying a premium for PS3 when it's just introduced? That's why your logic if flawed.

Wait 3 years. It's still a PS3. And the entertainment factor is just the same as 3 years ago.

Like I said before, if you are the type who require friends' approval and adulation in order to feel good, then you need to get the PS3 now. Otherwise, just wait a few years a get a good deal.


The logic isn't flawed. You're happier playing a game with better graphics and better sound, aren't you? PS3 "renders graphics" better than the PS2, so this would only be according to your own logic.

A console is bascially a computer, therefore, if your logic is valid for computer, why not for a console?

[eelfliw]

The logic isn't flawed. You're happier playing a game with better graphics and better sound, aren't you? PS3 "renders graphics" better than the PS2, so this would only be according to your own logic.

A console is bascially a computer, therefore, if your logic is valid for computer, why not for a console?
How do you quantify "happier"??? Of course the PS3 has better graphics and sound. But how do you translate better graphics & sound to "more happiness" in order to justify the high price?

Whether you pay $600 now for the console or $200 for the same console + 10 games 3 years later, you're enjoying the same graphics & sound. How do you measure the difference in happiness? Is there any? There's definitely a big difference in price. And saving $400+ for the same console + games definitely make me happier too.

[Corizzle]

The rush to next gen has been forced by Microsoft, it knew XBOX would never beat PS2 so it ran its prices to the ground in order to get its name out and a shred of user-base. Then it rushed into development of its successor while its system wasnt even 2 years old.

That's how these things work, PS3 is obviously being rushed by the lack of hardware that will be avail for launch.

A system is only as good as the games that are on it and IMO, the PS3's lineup is ok at best. The only launch game that interest me is Resistance. Other then that, the lineup mainly consists of games that are ports of games already on the 360(Fight Night R3, Madden, Oblivion) games that are coming out at relatively the same time as the 360(Sonic, NFS: Carbon, Call of Duty 3) or games that are slight enhancements over 360 games(Full Auto 2, Ridge Racer 7)

[Aero]

To eelfliw


Think of it as like this, you seem to know computers. A Pentium 3 PC 5 years ago is 866 mhz and it is still 866 mhz today(well give or take a megahertz or two). A normal user can do with a 866 mhz, they only use their pc to surf the web, doing word documents, online banking, etc... normal stuff. A normal user won't think of buying a Xeon server to do those stuff, since they only need to do those things. But after a few years they will feel that they want a better system. Lets compare it to a normal gamer, a normal will play a PS2 game and will love it, great titles and good graphics, none of those hardcore stuff.

Now lets go to a Power user, he wants the latest and the greatest. A Power Computer User wants or needs the latest and the greatest. 2-4 processors, SLi vidcard a terrabyte of HDD space, dual WS 20" monitor, etc... (I hope you get the point). A Power gamer wants the latest and greatest machine he can get his hands on. This type of people will spend thousands on their machine/s.

A Pentium 3 PC will not do some of the stuff that a Xeon can but its cheap, you can get one for 100-200 dollars. A PS2 cannot render the same graphics as a PS3 but its cheap, you can get one for___ (put your price there).

Saying that a graphics will not bring an extra enjoyment is the same thing as, "why don't you just wait 3 hours for it to finish rendering". Remember everyone is different, put yourself in other people's shoes and you will notice that there are a lot of people with different priorities. You prefer a xeon over a PS3 thats fine, some people will prefer a PS3 over a xeon.

BTW some people are happier with better graphics because thats what they want. It could be worst there are people who ask why do people play video games when they can go out and play.

[eelfliw]

Saying that a graphics will not bring an extra enjoyment is the same thing as, "why don't you just wait 3 hours for it to finish rendering". Remember everyone is different, put yourself in other people's shoes and you will notice that there are a lot of people with different priorities. You prefer a xeon over a PS3 thats fine, some people will prefer a PS3 over a xeon.
Well, think of the end result. For game consoles, the end result is enjoyment. Whether you buy the PS3 now or 3 years later, it's the same box. And because it's the same box and same games, you'll enjoy it the same. The only difference is that 3 years later you'll pay a fraction of the price.

As for 3D rendering, the end result is the 3D picture. If you used a Pentium 3 to produce 3D pictures, you'll get 1 picture every 36 hours. If you used a quad Xeon server, you'll get 36+ pictures in the same amount of time. Totally different results.

That's why the comparison doesn't make sense over time. Because the results are different :

1) PS3 - goal is entertainment. But entertainment value doesn't change over time while price drops. Net result is same entertainment for less money.
2) Computer - goal is 3D renderings. Spending the same money on a computer 3 years ago vs a computer today, you'll get a computer that can render many more 3D drawings in the same amount of time.

[sixer]

No, it's not worth the money......Period

[Alvito]

if its not worth 600 is it worth 1700 lol

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356361

[Gnus]

As much as I LOVE YOU for your avatar against Chan Sui Bian, I'm going to have to say, my friend, you're kind of sad. Getting a PS2 now, yes, you get great value for it, but wait... I can't beat mission X in Game XYZ... ask friends.. Oh, I beat that game long time ago, can't remember how to beat it no more, or, what? You're still playing that old game? Talk about being laughed at.

Also, for most of us, how in the world can you wait so long for a game that you LOVE? For me, that's Final Fantasy, hense, I won't get a PS3 for myself (for eBay is another story) until FFXIII is out, and give it a month or two to find the best sale price for it, then I must get it and play.

If you wait another 5 years, you'll probably see PS2 for $100 with 400 games. Heck, why don't you just get a PSOne on eBay with 10 Million games and 5000 controllers for $50? That's value for you.

Why are you using a computer? Why do you have a TV? Why not just stick to newspaper for news? Your 29" CRT at home only costs like $100 on eBay, and you probably spent $1000 for it 10 years ago.

Get my point? If still no, you're quite sad.

LOL you're joking right? Having the latest tech is not a necessity and IMO people who spend loads of cash to have the tech early either have the money for it, or they just want to impress people, which is what is sad, instead of waiting for a bit for the issues to be ironed out and the library to expand.

Getting a PS2 now is probably the best thing you can get, as you get a huge library of A+ games at a great price as well.

Uhhh, last I checked people do still read newspapers even when they've got a 50'' plasma at home...
Some more points, like someone said, if you've got friends who laugh at you for playing "old" games, you need some new friends.

so basically no, I don't get whatever point you were trying to make.

[jamgyu]

Well, think of the end result. For game consoles, the end result is enjoyment.

time for me to chime in on this arguement

ok here's where your argument is flawed... you make the assumption that everyone quantifies "enjoyment" equally... for john lai enjoyment might equal playing a game that's not only fun but looks great as well... where as you are equating enjoyment as just playing a game that you have fun with... also you're making the assumption that all you can do with a ps3 is play games... again for those people who really value high definition video the ps3 equals a relatively good value blue ray player when compared to the other players out on the market.

you're framing your argument based on a purely subjective variable: "enjoyment"

[Aero]

Well, think of the end result. For game consoles, the end result is enjoyment. Whether you buy the PS3 now or 3 years later, it's the same box. And because it's the same box and same games, you'll enjoy it the same. The only difference is that 3 years later you'll pay a fraction of the price.

As for 3D rendering, the end result is the 3D picture. If you used a Pentium 3 to produce 3D pictures, you'll get 1 picture every 36 hours. If you used a quad Xeon server, you'll get 36+ pictures in the same amount of time. Totally different results.

That's why the comparison doesn't make sense over time. Because the results are different :

1) PS3 - goal is entertainment. But entertainment value doesn't change over time while price drops. Net result is same entertainment for less money.
2) Computer - goal is 3D renderings. Spending the same money on a computer 3 years ago vs a computer today, you'll get a computer that can render many more 3D drawings in the same amount of time.

Its not about 3D rendering or rendering drawing for a computer. It is what its used for. Think about it, were comparing two different kind of things here so thats why they will never be the same. We compare them in what they are designed to do. For the sake of argument and time that we exclude pc gaming ok. You use a PC for work or browsing the net or anything similar to that. Like you said a Xeon can render a drawing in a second while a P3 can render that same drawing in 10 hours (just go with my numbers ok). NOT ALL PEOPLE render 3D graphics LIKE NOT ALL PEOPLE want to play HD games. See the comparison here? I will repeat my self here.

"were comparing two different kind of things here so thats why they will never be the same. We compare them in what they are designed to do."

To make it simple
PC - you use it for work or surfing the net
PS - you use it to play games


For some Power Gamer the FPS, the graphics the feel of it is their priority kinds like an Animator they're priority is rendering graphics and they want/need the best machine they could buy. A Power Gamer wants the best machine they could buy to satisfy their wants. Some normal computer user needs what they an afford or the cheapest possible for their uses. Some gamer just wants to play the game so they don't want the newest and most expensive.

Do you see now why you can compare them in a way that they are similar to each other. You can't compare the taste of an apple and orange but you can compare them in a way that they are which are fruits.

"1) PS3 - goal is entertainment. But entertainment value doesn't change over time while price drops. Net result is same entertainment for less money." <=- for some people that is true but NOT for everyone.

[eelfliw]

time for me to chime in on this arguement

ok here's where your argument is flawed... you make the assumption that everyone quantifies "enjoyment" equally... for john lai enjoyment might equal playing a game that's not only fun but looks great as well... where as you are equating enjoyment as just playing a game that you have fun with... also you're making the assumption that all you can do with a ps3 is play games... again for those people who really value high definition video the ps3 equals a relatively good value blue ray player when compared to the other players out on the market.

you're framing your argument based on a purely subjective variable: "enjoyment"
That's exactly what I've been trying to say. Enjoyment is a subjective variable and can't be measured. One poster compared upgrading from PS2 to PS3 to upgrade from Pentium 3 to Xeon. I'm simply making the point that there's no comparison between Playstation to CPU. Because Playstation supplies entertainment, which can't be quantified. But CPU upgrade can be quantified.

Entertainment value is relative. Before PS3 & HDTV & surround sound came about (and, officially, PS3 isn't here yet), people were playing PS2s. Did they complain about PS2's poor audio & video? No. They were praising it because they compared it to the original play station.

Now, PS3 comes alone and all of a sudden the HD video & surround sound output become a necessity and PS2 is garbage? No way.

How much one enjoys the game depends on what they're used do. When you're used to the original Play Station, PS2 seems like a big upgrade. But it doesn't mean the original Play Station didn't provide just as much entertainment when one plays it for the first time.

[eelfliw]

Its not about 3D rendering or rendering drawing for a computer. It is what its used for. Think about it, were comparing two different kind of things here so thats why they will never be the same. We compare them in what they are designed to do.
Yes! I completely agree with this. And I think you've answered your own question in post #11 as well. You were saying what's the point of upgrading when Pentium 3 can be had for $100. I was just explaining to you that a newer computer will be more useful than P3. Whereas PS3 won't be more useful than PS2 and costs much less. Now you finally understand.

Dont forget you can buy a Pentium 3 computer for $100. I mean its as slow as the Pentium 3 computer that some guy bought for $2,000. If you ask him he will say that its no different the $100 p3 pc plays the same game, run the same program as as the $2,00 p3 bought 5 years ago. Why go with the latest and greatest, right?

Oh yeah you can buy those games and software for like $10 or less. I mean why pay for a $50 game.

[lemure]

Hi guys,
If you were that lucky guy receiving a PS3 (for birthday or else....) one week after the release date, what will you do : Sell it or keep it ?
I think that could be interesting to keep the extra value to buy it at christmas and buy extras......
Thanks by advance for your posts :)

[Aero]

Yes! I completely agree with this. And I think you've answered your own question in post #11 as well. You were saying what's the point of upgrading when Pentium 3 can be had for $100. I was just explaining to you that a newer computer will be more useful than P3. Whereas PS3 won't be more useful than PS2 and costs much less. Now you finally understand.

Did you even read the whole thing. "what they are designed to do" NOT "Whereas PS3 won't be more useful than PS2"


So whats wrong with

Dont forget you can buy a Pentium 3 computer for $100. <=-- around $100 today



Yes! I completely agree with this. And I think you've answered your own question in post #11 as well. <=-- huh??

You were saying what's the point of upgrading when Pentium 3 can be had for $100. <=-- the point is when you want or need it you upgrade.

I was just explaining to you that a newer computer will be more useful than P3. <=- I guess you can call it useful

Whereas PS3 won't be more useful than PS2 and costs much less. Now you finally understand. <=-- PLAYSTATIONS are GAME MACHINE, you play them for enjoyment and if you want to pass up the time.

AGAIN, Compare useful with enjoyment. OK>?

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Mine

I mean its as slow as the Pentium 3 computer that some guy bought for $2,000. If you ask him he will say that its no different the $100 p3 pc plays the same game, run the same program as as the $2,00 p3 bought 5 years ago. <=-- true isnt it, its the same computer

Why go with the latest and greatest, right? <=-- why go with a xeon or a ps3

Oh yeah you can buy those games and software for like $10 or less. I mean why pay for a $50 game.

[Carpe Diem]

Anyone want a PS3 right now? Today?

Only $2600, I swear to god.

Ok...You have my attention...Where?

[jamgyu]

this thread has gotten out of control...

so far most people think it's not worth the money it seems...

decisions decisions....

[Mems]

Anyone want a PS3 right now? Today?

Only $2600, I swear to god.
I don't know if this is a joke or not, but if its not I'll take it for that price. PM me if you're serious, don't care if it was stolen or anything. I'm located in GTA.

-Mems

[Supershyguy]

whats the system good for with no games?

[Mike71]

Guys, drop me a PM with your name and number. I'm located in Richmond Hill. I have few on hand now.

How did you get systems before the release date? Sell them on ebay if you have them you can probably get 10K each if they are available right now!:D

[HBP]

How did you get systems before the release date? Sell them on ebay if you have them you can probably get 10K each if they are available right now!:D

He'd also get a call from Sony.

[hybrid.09]

See, yeah. I don't want that happening to me even though I don't have an eBay account.

I can only sell a PS3 unit on eBay If I have like 50%+ feedback, and it has to be 98% positive or higher, etc, etc. Or are those just preorder rules?

How much could I honestly make. If I'm selling them here for around $2,800, how much could I make there? More?

[CameraBill]

Gaming is about content. It always has been and always will be. It seems stupid to buy a system without any proven good games.

You kiddies out there download an NES emulator and Super Mario 3 (or SNES + SuperMario AllStars). Guaranteed to trap you in Mario addictiveness with 1988 technology.

[Feb30th]

Even though PS3 has been repeatedly delayed, I still think they are rushing it... so I'm worry about problems with the hardware. Plus $659 + tax is no joke... I would wait until next summer when retailers start giving promotion on PS3 and have some decent games coming out... just like Xbox 360 right now.

[eelfliw]

Did you even read the whole thing. "what they are designed to do" NOT "Whereas PS3 won't be more useful than PS2"


So whats wrong with

Dont forget you can buy a Pentium 3 computer for $100. <=-- around $100 today
Because PS2 & PS3 provide the same entertainment value. But P3 & Xeon systems have vastly different productivity value.

You can quantify productivity (eg. produce x number of widgets per hour). But you can't quantify entertainment value. Besides, these are different measurements.

That's why I said your comparison in post #11 is flawed. Because you're saying why not wait 3 years to buy a P3 for $100. I'm saying you can't compare the productivity of P3 to modern day Xeons.

[Aero]

Because PS2 & PS3 provide the same entertainment value. But P3 & Xeon systems have vastly different productivity value.

You can quantify productivity (eg. produce x number of widgets per hour). But you can't quantify entertainment value. Besides, these are different measurements.

That's why I said your comparison in post #11 is flawed. Because you're saying why not wait 3 years to buy a P3 for $100. I'm saying you can't compare the productivity of P3 to modern day Xeons.

We are going in circle here, if you want my response copy and paste the rest of my previous response.

btw you can quantify enjoyment by HOW MUCH you enjoy it. ok.

I honestly can't explain it clearly anymore, I think the other guy gave up as well lol.

[Evil Techie]

im sort of tempted to buy one just to sell on ebay
do u think it can be sold for like $2000 on ebay when we get it?

[jamgyu]

im sort of tempted to buy one just to sell on ebay
do u think it can be sold for like $2000 on ebay when we get it?

i've seen one pre-order sell on ebay for $2300 CAD

but who knows how much people are willing to spend on a ps3.... one thing that might drive the prices up on ebay is the christmas season just around the corner...

just wondering... what exactly ARE the rules for selling a ps3 here on RFD? would it be ok to post it here and ask for say $999999??

[Gnus]

All PS3 sales are banned on RFD, unless you magically somehow actually have one in your hands.

[jamgyu]

All PS3 sales are banned on RFD, unless you magically somehow actually have one in your hands.


i was talking about selling one that's on hand after launch day

[hybrid.09]

Oh well. Sold all of them anyways. Your loss ;)

Have fun camping.

[Gnus]

i was talking about selling one that's on hand after launch day

Then yes, you could post it and ask for like $99999.99, which was what lots of people did with the first batches of Xbox360s.