left turn ticket under bylaw

[goob3r]

I got a ticket for making a left turn on to a street where it wasn't allowed at 7-9AM. I always thought it was a traffic overflow route, but apparently not - at least not at those times. I had been using this route, for many years to by pass traffic, so it was a real surprise to me today for getting a ticket. The officer was camping the side street waiting for people like me.

Anyway, I got a ticket but was charged under Metro Toronto Bylaw 32-92 Section 39 (1). Anyone know where I can find this entire document online? http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/bylaws/index.htm doesn't have it, just amendments. I found the amendment for the by law that I broke though; it was enacted several months ago.

The big question is: Will I get demerit points since I wasn't charged under the HTA? Understandably since it was a moving vehicle violation, but since I wasn't charged under HTA, what does that mean? I asked the officer and he told me he didn't know if I'd lose points and to find out for myself (huh? shouldn't he know this?)

The ticket is less than $20 so that's not the issue. Just the points and insurance.

[ar_ken]

I got a ticket for making a left turn on to a street where it wasn't allowed at 7-9AM. I always thought it was a traffic overflow route, but apparently not - at least not at those times. I had been using this route, for many years to by pass traffic, so it was a real surprise to me today for getting a ticket. The officer was camping the side street waiting for people like me.

Anyway, I got a ticket but was charged under Metro Toronto Bylaw 32-92 Section 39 (1). Anyone know where I can find this entire document online? http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/bylaws/index.htm doesn't have it, just amendments. I found the amendment for the by law that I broke though; it was enacted several months ago.

The big question is: Will I get demerit points since I wasn't charged under the HTA? Understandably since it was a moving vehicle violation, but since I wasn't charged under HTA, what does that mean? I asked the officer and he told me he didn't know if I'd lose points and to find out for myself (huh? shouldn't he know this?)

The ticket is less than $20 so that's not the issue. Just the points and insurance.

"The Officer was camping....." that is from playing too much Counter-Strike :D :D :D jk.

That's under by-law? wow I'm suprised that it wasn't a disobey sign ticket. By-laws will not affect your demerit points. By-laws are like parking tickets.

[Supershyguy]

lol ya a lot of cops wouldnt know questions like that. usually its best to find out yourself even if he did give you an answer. :lol:

[goob3r]

"The Officer was camping....." that is from playing too much Counter-Strike :D :D :D jk.

That's under by-law? wow I'm suprised that it wasn't a disobey sign ticket. By-laws will not affect your demerit points. By-laws are like parking tickets.

Yeah he said he brought it down as much as he could. He asked me if I saw the sign and I told him no. I've used the route so many times, (but not recently) that there was no reason to think that the neighbourhood shortcut had changed in the last 12 years.

It was under by-law because there was one created regarding that specific interesection and it was the lesser of the two infractions.

Anyone else know if there are demerit points to breaking a city bylaw (in a moving vehicle)? It wasn't against the HTA so that's what makes me unsure.

[hooliocah]

I guess I have to ask, was it a Cop or a By-law officer parked there waiting? I'm guessing it was a cop, just giving out a by-law infraction, because I doubt you would have even considered tapping your brake peddal for a by-law officer.

[Mr D J]

Technically you should lose 2 points for making an improper turn... it's not really a big deal but they can forgive you (hopefully).

[goob3r]

Technically you should lose 2 points for making an improper turn... it's not really a big deal but they can forgive you (hopefully).

Yes, but demerit points only apply to HTA, which according to the ticket, I didn't break. At least that is my assumption right now.

No it wasn't a bylaw officer. He was wearing a police uniform and had one of those navy blue stealth cruisers.

I just foudn this in the HTA

2. If a person is convicted of an offence under a provision of an Act, regulation or municipal by-law set out in Column 1 of the Table to this Regulation and the penalty imposed by the court for the conviction does not include a period of licence suspension, the Registrar shall record in respect of the person, as of the date of commission of the offence, the number of demerit points set out opposite thereto in Column 2. O. Reg. 339/94, s. 2.

The table it refers to lists left turn and 2 points.

If I interpreted the above correctly, there's demerit points involved in my ticket?

[GangStarr]

scan your ticket

[goob3r]

scan your ticket

I've provided all the relevant info already. What do you want to know?

[Shaner]

scan your ticket

Somehow I doubt that will help any. It's not likely anyone on here is going to know.
Phone the MTO at some point today and ask them.
Also ask them if it shows up on your driving record as a conviction.

Demerit points mean practically nothing. They don't affect your insurance in any way. What will affect your insurance is convictions, so find out if this will show up as a conviction.

The MTO will have all the answers. Phone them.

[goob3r]

Somehow I doubt that will help any. It's not likely anyone on here is going to know.
Phone the MTO at some point today and ask them.
Also ask them if it shows up on your driving record as a conviction.

Demerit points mean practically nothing. They don't affect your insurance in any way. What will affect your insurance is convictions, so find out if this will show up as a conviction.

The MTO will have all the answers. Phone them.

Heh. Thanks for sugesting MTO, Shaner. After being redirected to a few different areas of MTO, I got my answer.

No demerit points are associated with by-laws, as well, it won't appear on my driving record.

[Shaner]

Heh. Thanks for sugesting MTO, Shaner. After being redirected to a few different areas of MTO, I got my answer.

No demerit points are associated with by-laws, as well, it won't appear on my driving record.

That's good.
Just pay the stupid thing and get on with your life. It's not worth your time to fight it if it won't affect your insurance in any way.

[mito]

I know this thread is old but I just got this ticket today and thanks for the info. Cops are camping out everywhere giving prohibited turn tickets lately.

[gladiator1942]

I know this thread is old but I just got this ticket today and thanks for the info. Cops are camping out everywhere giving prohibited turn tickets lately.

it's probably end of the month quota time. usually, i find there are more radar traps, seat belt checks, illegal turn and stop sign enforcement at the end of the month.

they say they don't have a quota, but they also say that the gasoline companies aren't fixing the price at the pumps either.... :lol:

[AzNCrAzYcOoLeR]

I had a ticket last year pretty similar to yours. I got a ticket for No Right Turn during posted hours 3pm-6pm. I got this ticket in North York by Doris Ave. I never thought I would get dinged at 5:55 PM

He enforced it under the bylaw, and he informed me there will be no issues with Insurance or points as bylaws are treated like a parking ticket.

The charge was 3.75 + 15.00 which came to 18.75.

I paid it off.

Just a couple weeks ago, I purchased a Drivers Abstract from MTO to check out my record, and surely enough, that did not show up.

[NuclearBlast]

I had a ticket last year pretty similar to yours. I got a ticket for No Right Turn during posted hours 3pm-6pm. I got this ticket in North York by Doris Ave. I never thought I would get dinged at 5:55 PM

He enforced it under the bylaw, and he informed me there will be no issues with Insurance or points as bylaws are treated like a parking ticket.

The charge was 3.75 + 15.00 which came to 18.75.

I paid it off.

Just a couple weeks ago, I purchased a Drivers Abstract from MTO to check out my record, and surely enough, that did not show up.

Oh man, that just happened to me last week. I got a similar ticket for a "Prohibited Right Turn" and instead under the HTA, the officer put it "Contrary to: Uniform Traffic By-Law" section 40(1). Same amount, $18.75. What bugs me is that I phoned MTO just like OP to check if the conviction would appear on the Drivers Abstract and they said yes, it would - even if it's not under the HTA. But I guess they might be wrong since it obviously is not showing up on your Drivers Abstract. AzNCrAzYcOoLeR, do you remember the exact wording of the by-law that was put in "Contrary to:" on your ticket? I'm tempted to just pay the fine and hope it won't show in MTO records.

[15-20_God]

it's probably end of the month quota time. usually, i find there are more radar traps, seat belt checks, illegal turn and stop sign enforcement at the end of the month.

judging by the number of traffic ticket threads the end of the month seems to be every day.