Scammer DarthVR6

[jock]

If you are going to deal with this guy be very, very careful. I will never deal with him again. Here is the negative heatware I posted from him.

Forum: RedflagDeals.com
Description:
2x 120gb PATA
2x 120gb SATA
Comments:
Quick summary of transaction
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1. 4x 120gb Hard drives purchased September 21, 2006.

2. Sempteber 22nd 2006. System built with one IDE drive, works perfectly.

3. October 4th 2006.
Tried to build system with remaining IDE drive. Drive does not work, makes clicking sound and is not recognized in BIOS or POST.

Tried remaining SATA drive, not recognized in BIOS or POST.

4. October 5th, 2006.
E-mailed DarthVR6 about defective drives. He says he gives no warranty and that drives were all working when he sold them to me.


There is no warranty left from manufacturer, and this guy refuses to replace them or offer a refund.

I contacted him about the defective drives 13 days later in e-mail. He responds two days later saying that drives were fully working, and that he will not offer a refund because it has been so long.

Well, I don't care how long its been. If the drives don't work, they don't work, bottom line.

This guy has taken my money, paid in good faith for working hard drives.

He seemed like a nice guy at first, but I would never deal with him again.

This is a warning to all RFD community/ craigslist, online community.

From: dietrich.heese.boutin@utoronto.ca
To: toc_@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Hard Drives 4 Sale, PRICE DROPS - $1
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:33:27 -0400


I didn't plug in the drives until two days ago.
They don't even boot, they are not even recognized and don't show up.

If you cannot refund my money you are very unreasonable, and I will be leaving negative heatware.

You are basically a thief then.

The drives are totally useless. They were sitting at my place until they were ready to use, I plugged them in, and they don't work. They don't show up in the bios at all.

One of them makes a constant clicking sound all the time, it was clearly not good to begin with.

This is what he replies:

Dietrich, I am far from a thief. I have had NO issues with anyone ever, and now suddenly you appear. I am not FUTURE SHOP, I do not offer any ****ing warranty. I CLEARLY advised you to check the drives and if there is any issues, LET ME KNOW and that Id return your money. You can NOT expect ANYONE reasonable to accept your story that suddenly its not ****ing working after 3 weeks, 2 weeks or what ever. I have NO idea what the drives have been through since you purchased them or what was done to them. I accept no responsibility. You want to be an ass and leave negative heatware, I'll do the same. You try out the drives after '13' days and then expect me to refund your money cuz you claim they're defective? Try leaving me negative heatware on that, you're the one who'll look stupid with my remarks in return. You weren't even POLITE about the entire situation! Again, the DRIVES WERE working when sold to you, what has happened since is NOT my responsibility - it is yours. Any smart person who buys something tests it immediately. You on the other hand wait '13' days and then call me a thief and put the blame on me, you're freakin brilliant.

[Fyshawk]

Is it just me or is there more and more of these such posts in the Buy Sell Trade section of RFD is there not a specific place in the forums for such posts.

[sassysue]

If you are going to deal with this guy be very, very careful. I will never deal with him again. Here is the negative heatware I posted from him.

Forum: RedflagDeals.com
Description:
2x 120gb PATA
2x 120gb SATA
Comments:
Quick summary of transaction
----------------------------
1. 4x 120gb Hard drives purchased September 21, 2006.

2. Sempteber 22nd 2006. System built with one IDE drive, works perfectly.

3. October 4th 2006.
Tried to build system with remaining IDE drive. Drive does not work, makes clicking sound and is not recognized in BIOS or POST.

Tried remaining SATA drive, not recognized in BIOS or POST.

4. October 5th, 2006.
E-mailed DarthVR6 about defective drives. He says he gives no warranty and that drives were all working when he sold them to me.


There is no warranty left from manufacturer, and this guy refuses to replace them or offer a refund.

I contacted him about the defective drives 13 days later in e-mail. He responds two days later saying that drives were fully working, and that he will not offer a refund because it has been so long.

Well, I don't care how long its been. If the drives don't work, they don't work, bottom line.

This guy has taken my money, paid in good faith for working hard drives.

He seemed like a nice guy at first, but I would never deal with him again.

This is a warning to all RFD community/ craigslist, online community.

From: dietrich.heese.boutin@utoronto.ca
To: toc_@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Hard Drives 4 Sale, PRICE DROPS - $1
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:33:27 -0400


I didn't plug in the drives until two days ago.
They don't even boot, they are not even recognized and don't show up.

If you cannot refund my money you are very unreasonable, and I will be leaving negative heatware.

You are basically a thief then.

The drives are totally useless. They were sitting at my place until they were ready to use, I plugged them in, and they don't work. They don't show up in the bios at all.

One of them makes a constant clicking sound all the time, it was clearly not good to begin with.

This is what he replies:

Dietrich, I am far from a thief. I have had NO issues with anyone ever, and now suddenly you appear. I am not FUTURE SHOP, I do not offer any ****ing warranty. I CLEARLY advised you to check the drives and if there is any issues, LET ME KNOW and that Id return your money. You can NOT expect ANYONE reasonable to accept your story that suddenly its not ****ing working after 3 weeks, 2 weeks or what ever. I have NO idea what the drives have been through since you purchased them or what was done to them. I accept no responsibility. You want to be an ass and leave negative heatware, I'll do the same. You try out the drives after '13' days and then expect me to refund your money cuz you claim they're defective? Try leaving me negative heatware on that, you're the one who'll look stupid with my remarks in return. You weren't even POLITE about the entire situation! Again, the DRIVES WERE working when sold to you, what has happened since is NOT my responsibility - it is yours. Any smart person who buys something tests it immediately. You on the other hand wait '13' days and then call me a thief and put the blame on me, you're freakin brilliant.


This email looks familar i dealt with this user before exactly looks like it i get back to you later on today with his details i think i have his paypal email id

Richard!

[pcgeezer]

<snip>

Again, the DRIVES WERE working when sold to you, what has happened since is NOT my responsibility - it is yours. Any smart person who buys something tests it immediately. You on the other hand wait '13' days and then call me a thief and put the blame on me, you're freakin brilliant.

IMHO.......There may be some waiting period before purchased items may be tested due to having to wait for other items to arrive to make a build. It might be advisable to state so while making the deal though. Is there some sort of guideline to what a reasonable waiting period here is on RFD...?.

Sorry to hear about your situation jock.

[holyheaven]

as far as i see, if the drives working and run fine for 13days, it is good...i don't know whethe you knew there is no MFG warranty left on these drives, to me it is too late to ask for refund...you even left him positive feedback that means you satisfied with items you bought from him....so if you sold a desktop to someone and he does samething to you...you would kindly refund the whole money after 13days he uses..? RFD is not a computer store.

Description:
2x Western Digital 120gb
2x Seagate 120gb
Comments:
Awesome transaction. This guy is flawless. Fast communication, offered to meet up at a mutually convenient location, but then dropped them off very close to my place. Very impressed.

Thanks Bro,

AA+++

[TypeVR6]

SassySue - I have had NO dealings with you what so ever, please confirm before making accusations. You inquired about an item I was selling but nothing more.

As for this Dietrech fellow, he's another story. As I've explained to him, I've had NUMEROUS dealings with ppl on RFD, Craigslist, EBAY. I've dealt with a lot of regulars [HKPolice, Rennigade, others] - they can all back me up. I have NEVER sold a defective item and have never complained about any item I've purchased. As a reasonable buyer, I immediately tests an item after purchasing it. If he built his system 2 weeks later, that is his problem. Its his word against mine, I sold him WORKING drives, not defective drives. I drove ALL the way down to his home to drop the drives off when he made arrangements to meet me half way [backed out last minute]. When we met, I specifically said to him as I tell everyone else, test them out, if you have any issues let me know within 3 days and I'll refund your money. 13 days is un acceptable. Whether or not he really took 13 days to build his system or if he damaged the drives in some way, I'll never know.

Im far from a scammer/thief or anything else he may want to suggest. I would never sell a defective item to anyone. I'll state it again, if any of my items fail within 3 days, I'll refund your money. Whether anyone considers this a bad eval and not deal with me, than so be it, but I'd like all of you to consider the fact that not testing an item purchased for '13' days is not reasonable. If he wants such warranty, he should purchase his items retail and take it up with customer service.

[pcgeezer]

<snip>
When we met, I specifically said to him as I tell everyone else, test them out, if you have any issues let me know within 3 days and I'll refund your money. 13 days is un acceptable. Whether or not he really took 13 days to build his system or if he damaged the drives in some way, I'll never know.

3 day's sounds reasonable. I wasn't taking sides, as a nOOb I'm just looking for info on the best way to approach a situation when an item is claimed to be defective after purchase.

I'm sorry to see that any deal have disputes, be it from either party involved.

[TypeVR6]

Apparently, he's done this before. Look at his heatware - feedback left by iceman2g.

[sassysue]

SassySue - I have had NO dealings with you what so ever, please confirm before making accusations. You inquired about an item I was selling but nothing more.

As for this Dietrech fellow, he's another story. As I've explained to him, I've had NUMEROUS dealings with ppl on RFD, Craigslist, EBAY. I've dealt with a lot of regulars [HKPolice, Rennigade, others] - they can all back me up. I have NEVER sold a defective item and have never complained about any item I've purchased. As a reasonable buyer, I immediately tests an item after purchasing it. If he built his system 2 weeks later, that is his problem. Its his word against mine, I sold him WORKING drives, not defective drives. I drove ALL the way down to his home to drop the drives off when he made arrangements to meet me half way [backed out last minute]. When we met, I specifically said to him as I tell everyone else, test them out, if you have any issues let me know within 3 days and I'll refund your money. 13 days is un acceptable. Whether or not he really took 13 days to build his system or if he damaged the drives in some way, I'll never know.

Im far from a scammer/thief or anything else he may want to suggest. I would never sell a defective item to anyone. I'll state it again, if any of my items fail within 3 days, I'll refund your money. Whether anyone considers this a bad eval and not deal with me, than so be it, but I'd like all of you to consider the fact that not testing an item purchased for '13' days is not reasonable. If he wants such warranty, he should purchase his items retail and take it up with customer service.



First thing don't bit my head off 2nd i was just saying that i dealt with dietech a user with the same email as you

[Tetchyy]

For what it's worth, I've purchased from this seller before and not only did I get what I was offered, but I was told up front about any issues or deffects that he was aware of. Seller told me to get back to him within three days with any issues but I had none. Seller went the extra mile to make me happy with the purchase and I would certainly buy from him again.

It is my opinion that the common practice when buying used goods, be it on REDFLAG, a garage sale, or whatever, that the buyer accepts a certain element of risk, with the only exception being a retail purchase (even then I have seen 10 day limits). 24 - 74 hrs seems to be a reasonable time frame to test most items for functionality and if a seller offers anything beyond that it his their perogitive. It is not reasonable to suggest that one can force a seller to wait till a buyer is ready to test an item. In this case 13 days is simply unacceptable, again IMHO.

-Tetchyy

:twisted: :evil: :razz: :evil: :twisted:

[TypeVR6]

Tetchy - I really appreciate the feedback :)

[TypeVR6]

SassySue is referring to Threadstater, not me :P Thanks for all the support RFD'rs!

[HKPolice]

I've dealt with TypeVR6 before, he is friendly, honest, and a model trader. Dietrich-h left positive heatware feedback first on 09-21-2006 then left negative feedback more than 2 weeks later on 10-08-2006.

If you ask me, this is an open and shut case - Dietrich broke the drives during that 2 week period and is trying to sleeze his money back by making this story up. Why would he leave positive feedback without fully testing all the drives first?

I also recall Dietrich lowballing me numberous times, he is now on my DO NOT TRADE list.

[thephenom]

So you expect the seller give you a lifetime warranty on the product he sold you? That's ********.

The seller told you he'll warrant against DOA when you test it on after you get home, he didn't offer you extended warranty beyond the arriving DOA. He isn't Best Buy who offers these kind of things.

If you didn't bother testing the HD, it's your fault, after 2 weeks, nobody would know what you have done to the HDs then, you might of dropped in the process. As for manufacturer warranty, it's your responsibility to check it before hand.

And FYI, I've dealth with TypeVR6 before, excellent communication, friendly as hell and very prompt on time after having him drive all the way across town to pick up some memory.

[TypeVR6]

I'm gonna cry - *SNIFF* - thanks for all the support guys :D

[jock]

Okay, I will suck up the loss.

All I have to say, is that I bought the drives from him. One of the drives works perfect, and the other two didn't even start up.


The important point, and reason why I have gone through the trouble of leaving the negative heatware is that it wouldn't have made a difference had I tested them the same day or a month later. They were defective to begin with.

The other two never started. I didn't drop them, fry them or anything.


All I need to get off my back is that I was sold two unworking drives for $70 by this guy. No more, no less.

My fault I waited two weeks, yes, but when the first drive was working fine I assumed the others would as well.

[bigstar*]

Another fault was that you assumed the other drives were functional. You should've tested them all.

Trust me, this happened to me before, so don't assume and take this as a learning lesson.




My fault I waited two weeks, yes, but when the first drive was working fine I assumed the others would as well.

[pcgeezer]

Good to see things are getting resolved.

Just to add........I use a site similar to RFD, AtroMart (http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/), that strictly deals with buy/sell/trade of telescope and astronomy items. Granted, it my not be as big as RFD, but in the approx. 8 years I've been dealing on there, I haven't seen one dispute like i've seen here on RFD. I wonder what the difference is...?.

Also, I see people here use some pretty heavy handed words like "Liar" and "Thief" like they're a dime a dozen. Those are words that shouldn't be thrown around lightly, and they're really not the best way to start looking for sympathy in trying to get your dispute listened to. Come on guy's, start using the bean box upstairs....;) .

As always, IMHO.

[computerguy]

A little off topic, but what happens when someone sells ram to another person then that person says it isn't compatible with their motherboard... do you give them a full refund?

[Tetchyy]

A little off topic, but what happens when someone sells ram to another person then that person says it isn't compatible with their motherboard... do you give them a full refund?

I would never put myself in that position as either party. As a buyer I would ask for all available info on the RAM and would only buy after verifing compatibility with the MOBO manufacturer. As the seller I would request info about the MOBO and do same. Most manufacturers will respond to you within 48 hrs (or maybe I've been really lucky:D ).

But in response to your question; No, I believe it is the buyers responsibility to do "due dilegence" before buying used goods, as far as compatibilty is concerned. Mememory is so easily damaged that it is simply unfair to ask the seller to accept all risk while the goods are in the buyers hands. If the buyer has any doubts they should make an agreement with the seller on terms of return BEFORE buying.

-Tetchyy

:twisted: :evil: :razz: :evil: :twisted:

[TruE SkiLLS]

No wonder jock didnt buy a hdd from me... he bought it from someone else...

seemed weird enough that i've not gotten reply back yet.

[squall458]

In the thread title you state its DarthVR6 but I think you mean TypeVR6 or am I missing something??

[skyblue12]

typevr6 is his rfd alias, darth is his heat

[Mark099]

I find it odd that 2 of the 4 drives were defective. How were the drives delivered? Were they in anti-static bags? Wrapped with bubble wrap? Were the defective drives wrapped differently?

As a rule.... for BNIB items I will leave heat once the item is received (as long as there is no outward appearance of damage). For used items... sometimes it is not always practical to test something within 24 hours. I won't leave heat until tested -- even if it's two weeks later.

[Amourek]

To toot my own horn, quoted directly from the terms of sale on my for sale thread:

9. In the unlikely event that you are unsatisfied with the goods I've sold you, you can return purchases to me for a full refund if you notify me within one week of receiving the goods. I will not pay for shipping anything back to me.

Just to cover my own ass.

[jock]

One of the three drives was sent to a friend, I am awaiting his response as to whether the drive is functional or not.

He delivered the drives bare. They were not in anti-static bags.

Just popped out of his car and handed me 4 bare drives, I immediately went home and placed them in a cardboard box until ready to use.

The next day I built one system with one of the drives, worked perfectly.
I assumed all the drives would be functional.
Sent off one SATA drive to my friend untested.

Less than two weeks later, build system with remaining drives, neither are recognized, and one of them makes this loud clicking sound indicating that it was totally defective to begin with.

My fault for the assumptions, and I accept the loss, I should have tested immediately.

Nonetheless, these were two unworking drives sold as working drives.

[aaron158]

even most comptuer stores only give u 7 days to return an item and after that they tell u to deal with the company that made it. item should have been test as soon as u got them.

[TypeVR6]

One of the three drives was sent to a friend, I am awaiting his response as to whether the drive is functional or not.

He delivered the drives bare. They were not in anti-static bags.

Just popped out of his car and handed me 4 bare drives, I immediately went home and placed them in a cardboard box until ready to use.

The next day I built one system with one of the drives, worked perfectly.
I assumed all the drives would be functional.
Sent off one SATA drive to my friend untested.

Less than two weeks later, build system with remaining drives, neither are recognized, and one of them makes this loud clicking sound indicating that it was totally defective to begin with.

My fault for the assumptions, and I accept the loss, I should have tested immediately.

Nonetheless, these were two unworking drives sold as working drives.

Listsen buddy. You should honestly stop this bashing. YOU GAVE ME POSITIVE HEATWARE THE SAME DAY I SOLD THE DRIVES TO YOU. If I just popped out of my car and slapped the drives in your hand without antistatic bag, why did you accept it? Why didnt you mention anything then? WHY THE POSITIVE HEATWARE? Why say 'thanks bro!'? Dont blame me for anything, blame yourself. I told you the DRIVES were working AND I told you to go home test them out, if there is anything wrong call me back - I'd refund your money!

Each time you attempt to blame me, but everything you've written suggest it is all your fault. HENSE, if you accept that you should have tested it when purchased or accept the loss, then STOP posting all this nonsense. I am NOT a scammer, I will provide ANYONE and EVERYONE with a 3 day warranty on an item I sell them. If it fails within the 3 days, I will refund their money. Now it is the BUYERS responsibility to make use of the product, to test it fully to his/her satisfaction.

[hybrid.09]

Jock, you are wrong. This has been settled, and explained. Why are you still bringing this up.

You recieved the drives. You tested one, you assumed the rest worked. That's exactly what you did! That's why he doesn't have to do anything for you, because you took the responsibility to not test them, and assume everything is good and well.

Then you waitied, and they turn out to not work. Well that's you fault, TypeVR6 is absolutly right, yet you still continue. How do we even know that the drives came faulty? Maybe you broke them, we don't know. OP says the worked when he used them, so obviously they must have.

Just give up Jock, you are wrong.

[lowryeder1]

just a quick comment on used hard drive's -- unless there is still mfg warranty
i won't even consider buying one -- otherwise you get what you get -- kinda like why would anyone in here buy a $100 part for $90 ? if it's "used" and the price isn't right it's really NO deal ! also , i don't deal in a parking lot - if i can't pick up @ your home i deal elsewhere ( i only deal GTA and DURHAM REGION ) , yup - been burned in here --
NOT gonna happen again


stick a fork in me , i'm done

[jz1n]

Didn't you try to offer me one of these drives for trade?

...that's not very nice at all :confused:

[holyheaven]

Didn't you try to offer me one of these drives for trade?

...that's not very nice at all :confused:

jock tried so hard to look like a innocent victim but he is also a scammer then

[jock]

yes, I had one 120gb drive that I offered for trade. It was a working drive.

So what is the problem? One of them worked, and you didn't want the drive anyhow.


All that needs to be said here was that two drives were sold to me that weren't working. I accept my fault for not testing them earlier, but that doesn't change that non-working drives were sold as working ones.

The guy brought the drives with no anti-static drives, and just plops them in my hand. Not even in a box or anything. Bare drives.

[pcgeezer]

This thread needs to die if the dispute has been resolved. It's like a merry-go-round going round+round+round+round+round+round ;)

There's no sense in continuing it.

[TypeVR6]

If I 'plopped' the drives in your hand without anti static bags, I ask you again -WHY DID YOU ACCEPT IT? Why didn't you make an issue out of it then? Why did you give me POSITIVE HEATWARE? You accepted the drives and took responsibility of them, including the 3 day warranty offered. The drives WERE working, stop accusing me of selling you defective drives.

Honestly, you're making yourself look worse. I would honestly just stop yer yapping.

[jstyle]

this threadstarter is stupid.
its your fault for not testing it dont blame it on the seller.

[holyheaven]

yes, I had one 120gb drive that I offered for trade. It was a working drive.

So what is the problem? One of them worked, and you didn't want the drive anyhow.


All that needs to be said here was that two drives were sold to me that weren't working. I accept my fault for not testing them earlier, but that doesn't change that non-working drives were sold as working ones.

The guy brought the drives with no anti-static drives, and just plops them in my hand. Not even in a box or anything. Bare drives.

whatever you saying, it still makes you look stupid...if you so serious about packaging of drives, why didn't you test them right away since they weren't packed properly..and after 13days you complained? who knows what happened in 13days at your place?

[Tetchyy]

The guy brought the drives with no anti-static drives, and just plops them in my hand. Not even in a box or anything. Bare drives.

And you of course being the responsible and well informed consssuuumer said NOTHING, did NOTHING, at that time.:rolleyes:

To coin the phrase of the poet: Me thinks he doth protest to much!

The more I think on this issue, and I have thought about it at length as I am a seller here too, the more I think there is more to this story that you haven't told. Any reasonable person would have tested all four drives upon receipt, MORE SO given the way they were (apparently) handed to you. Any reasonble person would have dropped this after realising thier own portion of fault. YOU did not test them, and you WIL NOT drop it. True others are pushing the envelope too; YOU & DARTH are taking the bait. Frankly I, and I think I am speaking for most any other REASONABLE person in these forums wish you guys, YOU, DARTH, and EVERYONE else (INCLUDING ME!) would just drop it.

The issue is resolved as far as I can see. Maybe not to yours and others satisfaction, but ultimetly you have only yourself to blame.

I post now for all whom care to see it an exceprt from the FORUM GUIDLINES STICKY (which any REASONABLE person KNOWS you are supposed to read before posting in a forum such as this);

GEEEEZE!! I Gonna report everyone in this G!D! thread starting with ME!!!:mad:

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9. Leave an accurate evaluation at the end of the deal.
10. Make sure you know what you are purchasing. Attempt to get all the relevant information such as conditions/usage, what's included, refund possibility etc..etc.. Sometimes in the haste of getting in on a good deal, you may end up with something you didn't quite anticipate.
11. Most gift cards have a phone number on the back that allows you to check the balance. For more information on gift card trading, read this thread: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237948


Recommendations:
1. Trading takes two - it's the responsibility of BOTH parties to ensure a smooth and happy transaction. For sellers, follow up on the trade. For buyers, make sure that you're comfortable with the sale. Both of you should have some sort of feedback venue, like Heatware. Check <a href=../autolink/redirectpage.php?linkid=78 target=_blank>eBay</a> too. Nothing's fool proof, but it's something.
2. Clear communication - Ask questions, keep records, and above all, be specific. This applies to both seller and buyer. DON'T ASSUME
3. Calm communication - When you're hot and toasty mad, don't go sending that message in a hurry. Take a deep breath, heck, take ten. Think about it and try to avoid rash statements. This hinders any kind of mediation process.

Buyer beware and happy buying, selling, and trading!

ps. ya, I feel MUCH better now....
:twisted: :evil: :razz: :evil: :twisted:

[djsteveyk]

All that needs to be said here was that two drives were sold to me that weren't working. I accept my fault for not testing them earlier, but that doesn't change that non-working drives were sold as working ones.
if you didn't test them right away, how do you know they were not working when they were delivered to you? the one you did test worked fine...coincidence?

your claims are un-founded, you admit yourself your at fault yet you continue to run your mouth about a user who has done nothing wrong in my or anyone elses opinion...end of story.

for anyone looking to deal with TypeVR6, you should not let these BS un-founded claims influence your decision, if you are looking to do busines with jock, then let this thread be a direct reflection of what you have to look forward to.

i know who i will and won't deal with as a result of this thread and i hope others do as well. just continue talking jock and soon enough, everyone here will have seen this thread and hopefully make the correct decision when thinking of selling to you. i don't like to stick my nose in other peoples business but i only posted to show my support for TypeVR6, seeing someones name drug through the mud is just a shame, especially when it is un-founded.

[Mark099]

If I 'plopped' the drives in your hand without anti static bags, I ask you again -WHY DID YOU ACCEPT IT? Why didn't you make an issue out of it then? Why did you give me POSITIVE HEATWARE? You accepted the drives and took responsibility of them, including the 3 day warranty offered. The drives WERE working, stop accusing me of selling you defective drives.

Honestly, you're making yourself look worse. I would honestly just stop yer yapping.


The fact that 2 of the 4 drives have been confirmed DOA is troublesome.

A really good seller would have ensured that each drive is properly protected for transport -- even over a short distance. I find it hard to believe that you would have refunded his money (even) if he had discovered they were DOA within 24 hours.

Everytime you sell something online you run the risk of having a product fail going from point A to point B. The fact is you did NOT DO ALL that you could have done to protect the drives so you cannot say with 100% certainty that something you did did not cause those drives to fail.

Forget the "if he had notified me 3 days, 16 hours and 2 minutes earlier, I would have".... and "why didn't he do this".... crap and accept at least part of the responsibility.

[Tetchyy]

This is a matter aside. If this was an issue to the buyer he had a responsibility to claim remedy at that time. He chose not to do so. If he had, and the seller had refused to make remedy then this point would be valid and I would be the FIRST to back the buyer. As for now its akin to closing the cell door after the inmates have made thier brake.

It has no merit in this matter other then to deflect ultimate responsibility. The BUYER MUST make a claim in a resonable time period. Otherwise, where does it end?

By the way whom has confirmed that the two drives were delivered D.O.A.?

You?

This thread is going from rediculous to just plain pointless.

The fact that 2 of the 4 drives have been confirmed DOA is troublesome.

A really good seller would have ensured that each drive is properly protected for transport -- even over a short distance. I find it hard to believe that you would have refunded his money (even) if he had discovered they were DOA within 24 hours.

Everytime you sell something online you run the risk of having a product fail going from point A to point B. The fact is you did NOT DO ALL that you could have done to protect the drives so you cannot say with 100% certainty that something you did did not cause those drives to fail.

Forget the "if he had notified me 3 days, 16 hours and 2 minutes earlier, I would have".... and "why didn't he do this".... crap and accept at least part of the responsibility.

[jock]

I was sold defective drives bottom line.

the thread is out of hand.

If the mods would like to delete the thread it would be kindly appreciated.

Thank-you

[jock]

I would like to apologize to Redflagdeals community.

This thread has gotten way out of hand, and is giving me a bad reputation.

I apologize for wasting member's time, and grief over this transaction.

Thank-you

TypeVR6 seems like a nice guy actually, it is unfortunate that it had come to this point.

[qviri]

I was sold defective drives bottom line.

Prove it.

[qviri]

The fact that 2 of the 4 drives have been confirmed DOA is troublesome.

They haven't been confirmed. Jock didn't bother to check if they were dead on arrival. By his own words, they were dead after 13 days.

When you buy stuff at NCIX, the Terms and Conditions of Sales have a clause that says:

"Buyer shall inspect the product(s) at delivery and shall notify Seller of any defects or discrepancies, in the product(s) as delivered within 24 hours of delivery. Absent of such notification, Buyer shall be deemed to have accepted the product(s) as delivered."

[Mark099]

This is a matter aside. If this was an issue to the buyer he had a responsibility to claim remedy at that time. He chose not to do so. If he had, and the seller had refused to make remedy then this point would be valid and I would be the FIRST to back the buyer. As for now its akin to closing the cell door after the inmates have made thier brake.

It has no merit in this matter other then to deflect ultimate responsibility. The BUYER MUST make a claim in a resonable time period. Otherwise, where does it end?

By the way whom has confirmed that the two drives were delivered D.O.A.?

You?

This thread is going from rediculous to just plain pointless.


I think you missed my point.

Because the drives were not properly protected there is no way that the seller can say he is not responsible for them being DOA. It shouldn't matter if this was discovered 13 minutes or 13 days after delivery.

I think BOTH parties should share the blame -- not just the buyer because he took too long to test the drives. BOTH parties need to learn a lesson here...

1) the seller -- package everything properly (even if you are just going across the street).

Did you follow up with the buyer? Ask... have you tested all the drives? Everything okay?

2) the buyer -- do NOT accept anything unless it's packaged properly or, at least, tell the seller that you are going to take LONGER to thoroughly test the drives because they were poorly packaged.

Also, when you leave heat before testing the hardware make sure you note that in your evaluation. Otherwise, it's best to wait until you're satisfied the deal is done.

[Mark099]

Prove it.

Prove they weren't!

[Mark099]

They haven't been confirmed. Jock didn't bother to check if they were dead on arrival. By his own words, they were dead after 13 days.

When you buy stuff at NCIX, the Terms and Conditions of Sales have a clause that says:

"Buyer shall inspect the product(s) at delivery and shall notify Seller of any defects or discrepancies, in the product(s) as delivered within 24 hours of delivery. Absent of such notification, Buyer shall be deemed to have accepted the product(s) as delivered."

It sounds like the buyer took more steps to protect the drives (once in his possession) than the seller did.

[qviri]

Prove they weren't!

Were you ever introduced to the phrase "innocent until proven guilty"?

[squall458]

Were you ever introduced to the phrase "innocent until proven guilty"?

But in this instance both parties believe they are the victim, so the innocent one is relative. Jock chocked it up already if you read the post above so give him some slack.

[Tetchyy]

No, but I am certain you missed MY point, which is unfortunate as it is the only logical point at hand.

You are right that a seller is responsible for safe delivery of goods into the hands of the buyer. No question.

In this situation however, the buyer only made an issue of how the goods were packaged after being told by the vast majority of respondents that he should have tested the items much sooner then he did. The issue of packaging became irrelevent the second the purchaser chose not to question the method upon delivery, and if not then, then certainly when he left positive feedback.

Its simple contract law. The seller delivered the goods. The buyer acepted the goods. Seller asked the buyer to test them and let him know if all was good. The only guarantee provided in such a transaction is that the goods are working at time of purchase unless other terms were agreed upon. In this case the terms were "try them out and let me know if all is good". The buyer brought the goods home, tried one, and left positive feed back. Therefore the terms of the contract are met.

How long should a purchaser be alowed to be in posession of used goods and still be able to go back and claim they didn't work when he got them.

Suppose I buy a used LCD from you with the plan to use it with a new video card I'm getting. I bring it home,put it in a closet and forget about it for 2 weeks. Then I take it out and find out it has dead pixels or worse, a scratch on the screen. Are you telling me that you would honour a return on that LCD even if you beleived it had no dead pixels when I left with it two weeks ago? Certainly your not responsible for the scratch that may or may not have happened while in my care? No, you would be a fool to do so, unless we had agreed to such terms in advance. If I called you that day, or the next on the other hand....

If the buyer wants to claim D.O.A. he needs to do so in a reasonable time, if he wants to claim shipping damage, again it needs to do so in a reasonable pretty much right away.

If YOU choose to accept such a claim after two weeks in the buyers hands, and OHHH how I want to be there when you do, that is your perogitive. But that IS NOT how things are normally done.

As to your little quip about the buyer taking more care for the goods once he got them then the seller did in transport; again how do YOU KNOW THAT? And since bloody when did a cardboard box become an acceptable means of storage for a static and moisture and impact sensitive device? For the love of GOD man, at least try to look like you know what you are talking about.:D

Missed your point? PLEASE.

-Tetchyy:twisted: :evil: :razz: :evil: :twisted:


I think you missed my point.

Because the drives were not properly protected there is no way that the seller can say he is not responsible for them being DOA. It shouldn't matter if this was discovered 13 minutes or 13 days after delivery.

I think BOTH parties should share the blame -- not just the buyer because he took too long to test the drives. BOTH parties need to learn a lesson here...

1) the seller -- package everything properly (even if you are just going across the street).

Did you follow up with the buyer? Ask... have you tested all the drives? Everything okay?

2) the buyer -- do NOT accept anything unless it's packaged properly or, at least, tell the seller that you are going to take LONGER to thoroughly test the drives because they were poorly packaged.

Also, when you leave heat before testing the hardware make sure you note that in your evaluation. Otherwise, it's best to wait until you're satisfied the deal is done.

[Tetchyy]

But in this instance both parties believe they are the victim, so the innocent one is relative. Jock chocked it up already if you read the post above so give him some slack.

Agreed.

[Dark-Colonel]

Dude seriously you can't blame him. This happened to me before when I purchased a computer from Balou911.

It had 6600GT in SLi but we didn't run the cards in SLI after 2 weeks. I never PMed Balou911 telling him that one of the cards wasn't working because I still had eVGA warranty left on it so we RMAd it and I also didn't want to cause any type of arguing because I know I would be provoking him saying that I didn't test the cards in SLi 2 WEEKS after purchase.

IT it a kick in the nuts that you dont have any warranty left but this is completely your fault and not his. If it was his fault then he is feeling guilt inside him right now. If he isn't then that's good for him, but this is something we will never know.

[Mark099]

No, but I am certain you missed MY point, which is unfortunate as it is the only logical point at hand.

You are right that a seller is responsible for safe delivery of goods into the hands of the buyer. No question.

In this situation however, the buyer only made an issue of how the goods were packaged after being told by the vast majority of respondents that he should have tested the items much sooner then he did. The issue of packaging became irrelevent the second the purchaser chose not to question the method upon delivery, and if not then, then certainly when he left positive feedback.

Its simple contract law. The seller delivered the goods. The buyer acepted the goods. Seller asked the buyer to test them and let him know if all was good. The only guarantee provided in such a transaction is that the goods are working at time of purchase unless other terms were agreed upon. In this case the terms were "try them out and let me know if all is good". The buyer brought the goods home, tried one, and left positive feed back. Therefore the terms of the contract are met.

How long should a purchaser be alowed to be in posession of used goods and still be able to go back and claim they didn't work when he got them.

Suppose I buy a used LCD from you with the plan to use it with a new video card I'm getting. I bring it home,put it in a closet and forget about it for 2 weeks. Then I take it out and find out it has dead pixels or worse, a scratch on the screen. Are you telling me that you would honour a return on that LCD even if you beleived it had no dead pixels when I left with it two weeks ago? Certainly your not responsible for the scratch that may or may not have happened while in my care? No, you would be a fool to do so, unless we had agreed to such terms in advance. If I called you that day, or the next on the other hand....

If the buyer wants to claim D.O.A. he needs to do so in a reasonable time, if he wants to claim shipping damage, again it needs to do so in a reasonable pretty much right away.

If YOU choose to accept such a claim after two weeks in the buyers hands, and OHHH how I want to be there when you do, that is your perogitive. But that IS NOT how things are normally done.

As to your little quip about the buyer taking more care for the goods once he got them then the seller did in transport; again how do YOU KNOW THAT? And since bloody when did a cardboard box become an acceptable means of storage for a static and moisture and impact sensitive device? For the love of GOD man, at least try to look like you know what you are talking about.:D

Missed your point? PLEASE.

-Tetchyy:twisted: :evil: :razz: :evil: :twisted:

But, what you don't realize is that I would take measures to prevent that from happening. A good seller always does. Sometimes I take pictures. Sometimes I use screen shots or benchmarks on the day of sale.

Most importantly, however, I pack my stuff in original packaging and do everything possible to protect the items from damage.

[Fox2k]

As to your little quip about the buyer taking more care for the goods once he got them then the seller did in transport; again how do YOU KNOW THAT? And since bloody when did a cardboard box become an acceptable means of storage for a static and moisture and impact sensitive device? For the love of GOD man, at least try to look like you know what you are talking about.:D


I don't know what sort of place you live in but in my house, a cadboard box on the floor off in the corner is a perfectly safe place to leave a hard drive for a few days. Much safer than leaving them bare on the material seat of a car during transport.


As to your little quip about the buyer taking more care for the goods once he got them then the seller did in transport; again how do YOU KNOW THAT?


It's clearly stated above. The drives were delivered bare, without any sort of protection. I agree 100% with mark on this one; both the buyer and seller should take responsibility for this issue and (hopefully) learn something. While technically the seller has no responsibility to offer a full or partial refund because (from what I understand) it was made clear that he wanted to be notified with 48 - 72 hours if there were any issues, I also think it is pretty shallow of the seller to neglect *all* responsibility in this situation. How can you transport hard drives unprotected in the seat of a car, and then claim that they were 100% working when they changed ownership? "Oh no, its been 13 days and you didn't say anything to me sooner. Too bad, you're on your own." Well imho it looks like the seller simply found an excuse to neglect any responsibility for this issue. I have no doubts that had the buyer confronted the seller immediately about the drives not working, he would have been issued a refund, but the way it stands now, I think the seller is simply using the circumstances to his advantage. This fact alone would make me wary about dealing with him in the future. Both of these users are red flagged (no pun intended :p ) in my books right now.

[thedauntlessone]

But, what you don't realize is that I would take measures to prevent that from happening. A good seller always does. Sometimes I take pictures. Sometimes I use screen shots or benchmarks on the day of sale.

Most importantly, however, I pack my stuff in original packaging and do everything possible to protect the items from damage.

I don't like having to waste time refunding defective hardware myself, but the point here is not how he packaged it. The most important thing here is that the buyer gave the seller a 3 day DOA guarantee but the buyer did not take advantage of that. It has been 13 days and you can't assume the buyer didn't do something that would cause the drives to break. IMO the seller holds no responsibility. He gave the buyer 3 day DOA guarantee but he didn't do something within those three days so there is not argument. If the buyer didn't honour his DOA guarantee that would be a whole different story.

[Tetchyy]

I do realise it. I see your post count and I know you are a good seller. You've been around the block a few times so you are a likely smart consummer too. If you recieved goods that were not properly packed you would challange it on the spot, no? Of course you would; And when you buy used goods you test them a.s.a.p. because you understand that $hit happens.

This thread, this discussion, is no longer about the original dispute. Rather it is a notice to all BUYERS out there that you have to be carefull, and you have to be clear about the terms of a deal BEFORE you pay. But most importently, you have to be responsible to yourself and the buyer. Test items when you get them and let the seller know immediatly if there is a problem. Why would you risk your money doing otherwise?

-Tetchyy ( ya I sell, I buy too! I gues I'm a well rounded kind of guy...)

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But, what you don't realize is that I would take measures to prevent that from happening. A good seller always does. Sometimes I take pictures. Sometimes I use screen shots or benchmarks on the day of sale.

Most importantly, however, I pack my stuff in original packaging and do everything possible to protect the items from damage.

[thedauntlessone]

It's clearly stated above. The drives were delivered bare, without any sort of protection. I agree 100% with mark on this one; both the buyer and seller should take responsibility for this issue and (hopefully) learn something. While technically the seller has no responsibility to offer a full or partial refund because (from what I understand) it was made clear that he wanted to be notified with 48 - 72 hours if there were any issues, I also think it is pretty shallow of the seller to neglect *all* responsibility in this situation. How can you transport hard drives unprotected in the seat of a car, and then claim that they were 100% working when they changed ownership? "Oh no, its been 13 days and you didn't say anything to me sooner. Too bad, you're on your own." Well imho it looks like the seller simply found an excuse to neglect any responsibility for this issue. I have no doubts that had the buyer confronted the seller immediately about the drives not working, he would have been issued a refund, but the way it stands now, I think the seller is simply using the circumstances to his advantage. This fact alone would make me wary about dealing with him in the future. Both of these users are red flagged (no pun intended :p ) in my books right now.

I agree that i would not deal with either individuals myself since what has happened but what we are discussing if the seller has responsibility here. There is nothing wrong with what the seller did. If i was in his position I would probably do the same thing. I can't just assume it was DOA after 13 days, especially the other person calling me a scammer. We also don't know how the buyer approached the seller when he found out the drives were defective and most of what have been said are just speculations.

[kornstar369]

this topic is a touchy subject.

[Tetchyy]

Well imho it looks like the seller simply found an excuse to neglect any responsibility for this issue. I have no doubts that had the buyer confronted the seller immediately about the drives not working, he would have been issued a refund, but the way it stands now, I think the seller is simply using the circumstances to his advantage. This fact alone would make me wary about dealing with him in the future. Both of these users are red flagged (no pun intended :p ) in my books right now.

That is just sooo insightsfull of you, what given the sellers HEAT, and the support he received early on in this thread from the many people here whom purchased from him, how could you come to any other conclusion? :rolleyes:

I'll say this for (I hope) THE LAST TIME, if a buyer has an issue with how the goods were delivered to him he MUST, M....U....S....T I tell you, say something upon receipt, or at the very least take the time to properly test the items when he gets them. It boggles the mind how you guys can so easily disregard the 13 days these drives were sitting in that box in the corner.

About that box in the corner...

Are you aware that static does not require actuall movement of one item against the other to build up. It may surprise you to know that airflow over that box in the corner can build up plenty of static on the walls of that box. That static can be discharged when the box is opened or even when the sides are touched exposing the ungrounded drives. Did you know that the temperature inside a closed box can be as much as 12 degrees warmer just sitting there. Even open the temp can very by as much as 7 degrees. With that much verience static can become even more of an issue. That box in the corner may as well be a pair of woollen socks.


PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF YOUR COMPONENTS, buyers AND sellers.

[Mark099]

I do realise it. I see your post count and I know you are a good seller. You've been around the block a few times so you are a likely smart consummer too. If you recieved goods that were not properly packed you would challange it on the spot, no? Of course you would; And when you buy used goods you test them a.s.a.p. because you understand that $hit happens.

This thread, this discussion, is no longer about the original dispute. Rather it is a notice to all BUYERS out there that you have to be carefull, and you have to be clear about the terms of a deal BEFORE you pay. But most importently, you have to be responsible to yourself and the buyer. Test items when you get them and let the seller know immediatly if there is a problem. Why would you risk your money doing otherwise?

-Tetchyy ( ya I sell, I buy too! I gues I'm a well rounded kind of guy...)

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Answer this... Don't you find it fishy that 2 drives were DOA? Somebody, somewhere, had to do something wrong to kill 2 hard drives.

One I can understand.... sh*t happens -- that's life! But two?

[kornstar369]

ive dealt with jock and dont think he should be red flagged at this point.

[DualSoul]

Well imho it looks like the seller simply found an excuse to neglect any responsibility for this issue. I have no doubts that had the buyer confronted the seller immediately about the drives not working, he would have been issued a refund, but the way it stands now, I think the seller is simply using the circumstances to his advantage. This fact alone would make me wary about dealing with him in the future. Both of these users are red flagged (no pun intended :p ) in my books right now.

And the buyer's not doing the same thing? I don't see how the seller is simply "using the circumstances to his advantage" when the seller clearly stated to test within a 3-day period and the buyer has yet to refute this statement. If you can't test within the time, ask for an extension, as I'm sure most of the sellers here understand that building a PC can bring up unexpected delays that may prolong the testing of a device.

[DualSoul]

Answer this... Don't you find it fishy that 2 drives were DOA? Somebody, somewhere, had to do something wrong to kill 2 hard drives.

One I can understand.... sh*t happens -- that's life! But two?

Don't you find it fishy that the two drives that were DOA were the ones he didn't test? Unless the buyer said, "Here, test this drive first, the others work just like it", I don't really suspect this as being evidence of a "fishy" transaction.

Also, don't you find it fishy that the two drives that went DOA were both stored in the same place (I think).

EDIT: BTW, I am not saying that this is the case... but there's always two sides to the coin...

[Mark099]

Don't you find it fishy that the two drives that were DOA were the ones he didn't test? Unless the buyer said, "Here, test this drive first, the others work just like it", I don't really suspect this as being evidence of a "fishy" transaction.

Also, don't you find it fishy that the two drives that went DOA were both stored in the same place (I think).

EDIT: BTW, I am not saying that this is the case... but there's always two sides to the coin...

Both DOA drives were SATA too.

[Tetchyy]

Answer this... Don't you find it fishy that 2 drives were DOA? Somebody, somewhere, had to do something wrong to kill 2 hard drives.

One I can understand.... sh*t happens -- that's life! But two?

Uhhhhhh so it's not fishy at all that one DID work out of the four? Geeee, lucky it was the one he touched first. So either this seller sure is a SLY one or the buyer had a change of heart (or wallet). If the problem is brought to light the next day, or even three days as the seller offered, and the seller refused to refund, AND given what we know, I'd say "HANG HIM". But thats not what happened, and that fact STILL seems lost on some of you.

So how is it not "fishy" to you that it took 13 days to make a claim for the three out of four drives he didn't *test*?

By the way, my $hit looks waaay cooler then your sh*t :razz:

:twisted: :evil: :razz: :evil: :twisted:

[Tetchyy]

Don't you find it fishy that the two drives that were DOA were the ones he didn't test? Unless the buyer said, "Here, test this drive first, the others work just like it", I don't really suspect this as being evidence of a "fishy" transaction.

Also, don't you find it fishy that the two drives that went DOA were both stored in the same place (I think).

EDIT: BTW, I am not saying that this is the case... but there's always two sides to the coin...


LOL stop typing what I'm thinking, while I'm thinking it !! :lol:

[DualSoul]

LOL stop typing what I'm thinking, while I'm thinking it !! :lol:

Only if you stop thinking what I'm typing :)

[Tetchyy]

Both DOA drives were SATA too.


The seller had no way to know what drives were being used when or on what setup. You keep forgeting the 4th drive, the other IDE one that clicks non-stop. One out of four works. If I'm a "scammer" I wouldn't take those odds.

I think it was the use of the word scammer that got me so ticked in the first place.... ahhh but thats a thread for another day. This conversation is, I think, serving a very useful purpose though I'm not certain all parties are getting the same benifits from it.

[Tetchyy]

Only if you stop thinking what I'm typing :)

G!D! chickens and eggs!!

(bet you weren't typing that....)

[kornstar369]

on behalf of jock, let me offer some free items to make everyone happy again ( :S )...click on my sig...

when i sell something or buy something, it is always checked first. Have it be an LCD i bring my laptop and PSU to test, laptop hdd i bring my laptop and ext bay...

i have learned to do that over time just to be on the safe side...and teh other party usually has patience which will cover both our arses in teh furture if anything...but thats just a precaut...

[Tetchyy]

ive dealt with jock and dont think he should be red flagged at this point.


Neither do I. There is nothing to suggest that he has done anything devious here, in spite of the conversation that has sprung from this issue.

[kornstar369]

Neither do I. There is nothing to suggest that he has done anything devious here, in spite of the conversation that has sprung from this issue.

his decision of asking the mods to delete this thread has proven great maturity and responsibility BUT taking the loss isnt fair either...especially on a quantity buy... (again, if what happen happened...no finger pointing)

[Tetchyy]

on behalf of jock, let me offer some free items to make everyone happy again ( :S )...click on my sig...

when i sell something or buy something, it is always checked first. Have it be an LCD i bring my laptop and PSU to test, laptop hdd i bring my laptop and ext bay...

i have learned to do that over time just to be on the safe side...and teh other party usually has patience which will cover both our arses in teh furture if anything...but thats just a precaut...

HAHA my parents aren't as old as some of the *free stuff* :D

As for your testing policy, good move.

Incidently, I've brought stuff I purchased used to my local PC store for testing on more then one occasion, just for peace of mind. There is always another way to skin a cat.

[Tetchyy]

his decision of asking the mods to delete this thread has proven great maturity and responsibility BUT taking the loss isnt fair either...especially on a quantity buy... (again, if what happen happened...no finger pointing)

Maturity indeed, but I'm glad in this instance the mods are sleeping as this thread has value beyond its original intent. As for the finger pointing**, I could easily infer posible buyers remorse. (**which I'm not doing either, just presenting plausible counter conclusions from the same facts in evidence.)

It's kinda what I do.

[Fox2k]

That is just sooo insightsfull of you, what given the sellers HEAT, and the support he received early on in this thread from the many people here whom purchased from him, how could you come to any other conclusion? :rolleyes:

I'll say this for (I hope) THE LAST TIME, if a buyer has an issue with how the goods were delivered to him he MUST, M....U....S....T I tell you, say something upon receipt, or at the very least take the time to properly test the items when he gets them. It boggles the mind how you guys can so easily disregard the 13 days these drives were sitting in that box in the corner.

About that box in the corner...


You have your own opinion, there's no need for arrogance. Your replies in this thread have been borderline personal attacks, you need to chill out. Please don't get upset because the entire world doesn't agree 100% with you.

If you will read my previous post, you will see that I am not siding with the buyer. I agree he was in the wrong by waiting such a long time to test his hardware. The point I am trying to make, which again is my personal opinion, is that in this particular case, the seller did not do everything he could to ensure the safe delivery and transportation of the drives. In my opinion, it is unreasonable for him to guarantee that they were in working order upon delivery given what has been said about the delivery. Time has nothing to do with what I have said so far. Had the buyer waited 3 or 4 weeks before testing them, it would not have changed the fact that they were poorly transported and handled by the seller. Yes he waited to long before testing them and saying anything, yes, *technically* the seller does not have a responsibility to refund the purchase, but, I still frown at the fact that the seller has washed his hands of the entire matter simply because the buyer didnt confront him within a reasonable time frame.


Jock, thanks for responding to this thread in such a professional way. Hopefully you will take something from all of this and be more informed for your next trade :)

[Tetchyy]

I'm sorry you took my words that way as that was not my intent.

Hand shakes all around.:)

-Tetchyy

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You have your own opinion, there's no need for arrogance. Your replies in this thread have been borderline personal attacks, you need to chill out. Please don't get upset because the entire world doesn't agree 100% with you.

If you will read my previous post, you will see that I am not siding with the buyer. I agree he was in the wrong by waiting such a long time to test his hardware. The point I am trying to make, which again is my personal opinion, is that in this particular case, the seller did not do everything he could to ensure the safe delivery and transportation of the drives. In my opinion, it is unreasonable for him to guarantee that they were in working order upon delivery given what has been said about the delivery. Time has nothing to do with what I have said so far. Had the buyer waited 3 or 4 weeks before testing them, it would not have changed the fact that they were poorly transported and handled by the seller. Yes he waited to long before testing them and saying anything, yes, *technically* the seller does not have a responsibility to refund the purchase, but, I still frown at the fact that the seller has washed his hands of the entire matter simply because the buyer didnt confront him within a reasonable time frame.


Jock, thanks for responding to this thread in such a professional way. Hopefully you will take something from all of this and be more informed for your next trade :)

[Fox2k]

I'm sorry you took my words that way as that was not my intent.

Hand shakes all around.:)

-Tetchyy

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No hard feelings..I enjoy hearing opinions on matters like this :)