[Merged] "Municipal Parking" ticket

[revelation]

Just got one of these suckers. Stepped off the property for 5 mins cos I saw a friend entering one of the nearby stores, so I went in for a quick chat. Then went back, bought an iced tea on the property, and found that bad boy on my windshield. I just went to their website, and its a company that does parking property monitoring: http://www.municipalparking.ca

It's a bit of a gray area, as I DID step off the property, but I never had the intention of abusing the parking spot (and bought things off the property anyhow).

Since it's not a City of Toronto ticket, I presume that I don't have to pay it. However, the ticket menacingly states that if no payment is received, then they will take me to court over trespassing or some BS like that. What kind of implications can I realistically expect if I don't pay this ticket? What would you do?

tl;dr: Got a parking ticket from a company, not from the City of Toronto. Do I pay, and if I don't, what happens?

[dlander]

They can't mess with your license renewal, or city of Toronto account status.

They can go after your credit rating, use collection agencies, go to civil court just like any other private company.

You can file a dispute http://www.municipalparking.ca/pvn/dispute.htm saying that you made purchases only at the business whose lot you used and just stepped onto the sidewalk to say hi to someone. The problem is that municipal parking is also the judge in these disputes and I don't know how fair they are.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

lol i got one of these last week too.... same company $40 fine.

i just sucked it up and paid the stupid fine, for me it wasnt worth risking my credit rating over.

but if you have the time and resources, by all means, fight it and report back on how things go

[Driftwood]

Damn. I just got a City of Toronto parking ticket. It was at 8:29, I paid for parking from 8:22-8:42. Damn them! I cleary put it on the dashboard. Is there an easy way to resolve this? I don't wanna have to go down to the office.

[mau108]

does anyone know if york university works similarily ?

[GangStarr]

Theres no way any private parking ticket will affect your credit rating.

I get tons of em and they dont do anything.

[skategoat]

I've never heard of this kind of ticket. What sort of lot was it? I would avoid these like the plague including the associated business. What I would do is go after the business involved. Complain to them about the circumstances. Let them know you're not at all pleased to receive this kind of treatment. You are a customer, after all.

[Andro]

Damn. I just got a City of Toronto parking ticket. It was at 8:29, I paid for parking from 8:22-8:42. Damn them! I cleary put it on the dashboard. Is there an easy way to resolve this? I don't wanna have to go down to the office.

no, that's why they gave you a ticket........if you don't fight it they win and get your money, for most ppl wasting their time for 20-40$ is not really worth...so they get away with this. If more ppl actually fought these tickets then maybe the idiotic parking enforcement would think twice then to give you a ticket for nothing.

[GangStarr]

just a note to anyone parking in private parking lots, a simple note that points out your driving a friends car and the machine wont accept your CC often gets you off tickets.

We have fun watching private parking enforcement reading these notes and walk away with a birds eye view from my friends condo balcony.

[AzNCrAzYcOoLeR]

does anyone know if york university works similarily ?


I heard you dont have to pay for it and they wont go after you via credit agencies but it will stop you from graduating if you attened york

[gq_fuzion]

I heard you dont have to pay for it and they wont go after you via credit agencies but it will stop you from graduating if you attened york

if you continue not to pay these tickets... they will no longer allow your vehicle on their property... happened to my friend @ UTSC... of course they gotta catch you on their property

in no way can it affect your credit rating tho... because they can't tell who to go after... all they've got is a license plate which can belong to the driver at the time, father, mother, brother, sister, friend, long lost cousin, dude down the street... etc

[chriskris_1221]

i went to visit my friend two days ago and i parked my car at the visitor area. However, i didnt know the apartment doesnt allow people to park from 9pm to 9am, so i got a ticket that says i parked on provate property without consent. Do you guys know if i have to pay this as it is issued by a private company?

thanks

[cOmAtOaSt]

How the heck are you supposed to visit people if you can't park in visitor parking after 9pm?

[Pete_Coach]

In some apartments and condos, the owner has to notify someone that they will have guests parking in the visitor spots (especially overnight). Get your friend to call the management company and get the info and/or confirm that you were a guest.

[qster]

If the ticket is not yellow (in Toronto) or marked by the city that you are in... it is not enforcable, however not paying it will result in a collections company coming after you.

Talking to the condo management won't do you any good. You should talk to your friend and get them to split the fine. And pay attention next time when you go your next condo as these signs are posted in the parking area. However usually its after 12am or 2am... 9pm it a bit early.

This is done to prevent visitors from hogging the limited visitor parking spots.

[jl001]

Municipal Parking Corporation is a private company.
If your payment is going to a private company, not the city of Toronto, then I would just ignore it.

[Jon Lai]

If the ticket is not yellow (in Toronto) or marked by the city that you are in... it is not enforcable, however not paying it will result in a collections company coming after you.

Talking to the condo management won't do you any good. You should talk to your friend and get them to split the fine. And pay attention next time when you go your next condo as these signs are posted in the parking area. However usually its after 12am or 2am... 9pm it a bit early.

This is done to prevent visitors from hogging the limited visitor parking spots.

That's stupid, why is it OP's friend's fault? Well, I guess that solves one thing - you won't be invited anymore in the future :lol: :lol:

[qster]

That's stupid, why is it OP's friend's fault? Well, I guess that solves one thing - you won't be invited anymore in the future :lol: :lol:

OP's "Friend" lives there and should KNOW the parking rules of the condo.

Better yet, just don't visit that friend.

[WHO]

OP's "Friend" lives there and should KNOW the parking rules of the condo.

Better yet, just don't visit that friend.

Wow, you must not have many friends! lol ;)

This is done to prevent visitors from hogging the limited visitor parking spots.

That "sounds" pretty dumb. I mean, what's the point of preventing the visitors from hogging that spaces, if no one is even allowed to park there anyway for 12 hours a day? You prevent ANYONE from parking there to prevent a few space hogging? What's the gain if you go from 10% of the spaces being hogged to 100% of the spaces being unavalaible.?Explain the me the logic of this?

At the price condos go for, if I lived in one of those places, believe me I'd be complaining about this to the management. Parking is first come, first served. There could be a limit of how LONG you can park there, I guess. They give you a ticket when you come in with the timestamp, and you must leave it in your windshield. Something like that would be much more efficient.

[GangStarr]

Wow, you must not have many friends! lol ;)



That "sounds" pretty dumb. I mean, what's the point of preventing the visitors from hogging that spaces, if no one is even allowed to park there anyway for 12 hours a day? You prevent ANYONE from parking there to prevent a few space hogging? What's the gain if you go from 10% of the spaces being hogged to 100% of the spaces being unavalaible.?Explain the me the logic of this?

At the price condos go for, if I lived in one of those places, believe me I'd be complaining about this to the management. Parking is first come, first served. There could be a limit of how LONG you can park there, I guess. They give you a ticket when you come in with the timestamp, and you must leave it in your windshield. Something like that would be much more efficient.

Well installing a gate that would control parking (and annoy residents) would not be more efficent simply because of the cost of setting this system up.

Many condo's (and apartment buildings for that matter) have set up agreements with tow truck companies and private parking companies to generate some extra revenue. They do however offer a number where you call and leave a message with your vehicle's details. Thus not being tagged / towed. The OP's friend should have seen some notice posted in the elevator at some point. As most apartments have some sort of regulations, but outside the fire route and private parking spots are seldom enforced.

I wouldn't pay the ticket and still contact management, since they are getting a slice of profit I would say they have some authority to call and have it withdrawn. How friendly the landlord is, thats the real question.

[chriskris_1221]

but it's my first time to get this ticket, would a collection company comes after me because of ONE ticket that is worth $40

[boxingday]

but it's my first time to get this ticket, would a collection company comes after me because of ONE ticket that is worth $40

The ticket is $40.The the collection adds $100.

[chriskris_1221]

so u meant it will be $140 in total?


The ticket is $40.The the collection adds $100.

[boxingday]

so u meant it will be $140 in total?

Yes it will be about that.

[chriskris_1221]

it means they have to pay more than $40 for the collection agnecy to come after me....lol

[chriskris_1221]

can anyone share their experience??did any collection agency come after u guys

[Andro]

it means they have to pay more than $40 for the collection agnecy to come after me....lol

they wouldn't pay collections anything.......collections gets money out of it, your extra 100$

[qster]

Wow, you must not have many friends! lol ;)

Yeh... I don't have a lot of dumb friends. maybe you do?



That "sounds" pretty dumb. I mean, what's the point of preventing the visitors from hogging that spaces, if no one is even allowed to park there anyway for 12 hours a day? You prevent ANYONE from parking there to prevent a few space hogging? What's the gain if you go from 10% of the spaces being hogged to 100% of the spaces being unavalaible.?Explain the me the logic of this?

At the price condos go for, if I lived in one of those places, believe me I'd be complaining about this to the management. Parking is first come, first served. There could be a limit of how LONG you can park there, I guess. They give you a ticket when you come in with the timestamp, and you must leave it in your windshield. Something like that would be much more efficient.

Some of the condo owners who don't own a parking spot try to cheat the system and park overnight in visitor parking. Building management track who parks in the visitor spots overnight. Think about it... 200-300 units in a condo and only 20-30 visitor spots. Eventually you run out of spots on the weekends and over night.

[qster]

it means they have to pay more than $40 for the collection agnecy to come after me....lol

Pay the $40 and move on.
You don't want a collection agency hounding you ever week for the $40 + their added fee and a hit on your credit score for $40.

[tomw]

I had received one of those bogus tickets a few years ago. I threw it into the garbage in front of the guy that had handed it out and drove off. (he was still there writing another ticket) Nothing ever happened to me.
Unless it is a municipal ticket and is issued by the cops, I wouldn't worry about it. As far as I'm concerned those companies are almost illegal.:twisted: I could print out a bunch of tickets and hand them out and hope that someone will send me a cheque to a P.O. Box...:D

[chriskris_1221]

i am screw if the collection agency comes after me

[BartBandy]

If you want peace of mind, just pay it.

The tickets are legit, issued under the Trespass to Property Act.

That said, I wouldn't pay it. Of course, I won't be applying for another mortgage ever again.

Your call.

[naxos98]

In some apartments and condos, the owner has to notify someone that they will have guests parking in the visitor spots (especially overnight). Get your friend to call the management company and get the info and/or confirm that you were a guest.

You should try this. In most condos, you can usually get a permit for a guest to park overnight, you just need to get it from your management office/security desk. See if you can get your friend to call and explain the situation and get them to cancel it. Can't hurt to try.

Too bad your friend, doesn't know the parking policy of the condo they live in, so they could have informed you ahead of time.

[Wallly]

If you want peace of mind, just pay it.

The tickets are legit, issued under the Trespass to Property Act.

That said, I wouldn't pay it. Of course, I won't be applying for another mortgage ever again.

Your call.

Your mortgage application has been refused because of a MPC parking ticket.

That's funny:lol:

[huangpu]

can anyone share their experience??did any collection agency come after u guys

I wan to know that as well, any comments?

[weedb0y]

I never paid mine, yes I did get their calls but I told them to send me proof or take me to court. After a while, they stopped. Nothing on credit nothing. They can't proof the driver from license plate alone.

Nothing happens.

[chriskris_1221]

how many times did they call u??and a while means a month or what??
but if they know ur plicense plate they can obviously find out what you are


I never paid mine, yes I did get their calls but I told them to send me proof or take me to court. After a while, they stopped. Nothing on credit nothing. They can't proof the driver from license plate alone.

Nothing happens.

[BartBandy]

Your mortgage application has been refused because of a MPC parking ticket.

That's funny:lol:

My point was, I don't expect to apply for credit ever again. I had Rogers send my bill to a collection agency recently (by error - it was only 30 days overdue) and collection agencies apparently like to threaten your credit rating. I enjoyed the call.

If the OP really cares about his credit rating, he *may* be concerned. If not, I'd say don't pay it.

[tkyoshi]

I think there is an ammendment to credit reporting.

Collections from Private Parking companies are not accepted on Credit Reports anymore. So even if it goes to collections, your credit history/rating will not be affected.

Now Rogers is a bit different because they do report monthly to credit bureaus so they could harm your rating if it went to collections.

[weedb0y]

how many times did they call u??and a while means a month or what??
but if they know ur plicense plate they can obviously find out what you are

Yeah, they can get to the house but who was driving the car? Was it a friend who took my car? a family member? etc etc.

Hence, nothing will happen. Yes, the damn machine did call almost daily for months. But then they stopped. I didnt want to pay $75 for a stupid parking ticket that I had initally paid for as well but the stupid monkey couldn't be bothered to look properly on the dash.

[wrigley]

I got a ticket from these guys about a year a ago. I parked in a lot south of the Madison Tower at Yonge and Sheppard. I went into the convienence store to buy a lotto ticket and then went a couple of doors down to pick up my food Ihad ordered. As soon as I left the "property" this clown places a ticket on my car. I tried to explain to him that I had just bought something and was going off the "property" for two minutes. The guy was really rude and I almost got in a fight with him.

I looked on the back of the ticket and appealed to the PO BOX address. I got a reply about two days later saying the appeal had bee rejected, I would like to know how many appeals they accept? I tried calling them and they refuse to talk.

Anyways, I contacted my cousin who is a cop and he said they have no enforcement rights and not to pay the ticket. I have not heard from the since and it has been over a year. They can take yo to Small Claims Court, but it would cost them more time and money than the ticket is worth.

[chriskris_1221]

so u meant there is nth they can do with the credit history/rating?


I think there is an ammendment to credit reporting.

Collections from Private Parking companies are not accepted on Credit Reports anymore. So even if it goes to collections, your credit history/rating will not be affected.

Now Rogers is a bit different because they do report monthly to credit bureaus so they could harm your rating if it went to collections.

[chriskris_1221]

lol..honestly i dont think they will get to my house cause there is nth they can do even they get to my house. I am just worried if i dont pay the ticket would it result in affecting my credit rating


Yeah, they can get to the house but who was driving the car? Was it a friend who took my car? a family member? etc etc.

Hence, nothing will happen. Yes, the damn machine did call almost daily for months. But then they stopped. I didnt want to pay $75 for a stupid parking ticket that I had initally paid for as well but the stupid monkey couldn't be bothered to look properly on the dash.

[Renton]

I got a ticket from Municipal Parking Corporation because I parked underground instead of my asigned parking spot outside. Half of the undergorund parking lot is empty but the management are being jerks and won't rent me a second underground spot. I just ignored it. That was two weeks ago. Today I got a letter from their "Collection department" (not from a collection agency) threatening amongst others with confiscating and selling my car lol. I'm waiting for them to call...

[weedb0y]

lol, nothing will happen. Trust me on that. Been there, done that.

[Renton]

CityNews says: "The good news is, by law, you don't have to pay them."
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18334.aspx

[trueno92]

updates?

[Renton]

Nver heard again from them. I'm still parking in the same spot, didn't get another ticket either.

[BlackBee]

Eee...
I am quite scared as I heard on the news, don't bother paying them, so I didn't.
I parked there before (it's my friend's place) and paid for parking then. But this time, my friend said, don't bother.
I got a ticket back in January in Oakville. I don't know if it's different law in Oakville or not... my parking fee for parking for ONE HOUR was 60 dollars!
:(
So I ignored it, god, even city parking violations cost just 20 or so dollars.

I got a letter from the 'Municipal Parking Corporation' saying that they are going to sue me, charge 'damages', seize my car and sell it, also it'll go badly on my credit rating. Also, they up the 'parking violation fine' to 80 dollars. Chriskris_1221, yeah, I know, it's a scary decision. I'm a student, I don't have 80 dollars, but I cannot effort to get sued and lose my car either. I am not sure if they are bluffing or not. I'm scared, but I am going to ignore this notice again. Did anyone get the Municipal Parking Corporation ticket from Oakville?

[veryhuman]

I've gotten one from a private parking company before, I never paid it. No issues with plate renewal, its been over a year.

[BartBandy]

I think they're blowing smoke.

I'm inclined to park illegally in a MPC-"enforced" lot just so I can get a ticket and ignore it.

[Flyhigh]

I got a ticket from municipal parking corporation for parking in a Scotiabank parking lot that was reserved for their customers only. I was doing something else and didn't enter the bank. I knew many of you said not to pay it cause its not a provincial ticket, but I thought about the possibilities of the Scotiabank having a camera in the parking lot, and it will be useless trying to argue to say I actually went inside the bank. What is your take on this? Did I made the right decision by paying the $40 ticket? Thanks!

[DrXenon]

I think, ethically, you did the right thing by paying the ticket. After all, you knowingly (right?) violated the bank's condition for allowing you to park there.

Legally, you can ignore MPC tickets, like others told you. It is a sleazy company that tries to masquerade as a governmental entity.

[Ziggy007]

I had to pay a ticket to MPC a couple weeks ago, and I was furious. They are vultures. I use a store in the plaza and I walk across the street to do something else. As soon as I cross the street the guy must have come running over to write me a ticket based off the time written on it.

They are basically a bully company, but there isn't much you can do. If you don't pay the small ticket, I think $40 within a week they raise the fee to $60. After that it goes to a collections company, which means bad credit rating, and no way out really. They win because of a broken system that means it is better to pay the $40 then go through hell.

Really wish the government would crack down on stuff like this. The company uses a fancy official sounding name, but are really just a bunch of crooks. On the back of the ticket there is 10 ways to make a payment but it is impossible to find where to go to dispute a ticket.

[gman]

I had to pay a ticket to MPC a couple weeks ago, and I was furious. They are vultures. I use a store in the plaza and I walk across the street to do something else. As soon as I cross the street the guy must have come running over to write me a ticket based off the time written on it.

They are basically a bully company, but there isn't much you can do. If you don't pay the small ticket, I think $40 within a week they raise the fee to $60. After that it goes to a collections company, which means bad credit rating, and no way out really. They win because of a broken system that means it is better to pay the $40 then go through hell.

Really wish the government would crack down on stuff like this. The company uses a fancy official sounding name, but are really just a bunch of crooks. On the back of the ticket there is 10 ways to make a payment but it is impossible to find where to go to dispute a ticket.

They may be vultures but it appears they did not ticket you wrong. The parking is for the customer in that plaza and not for the customer in that area.

[Ziggy007]

They may be vultures but it appears they did not ticket you wrong. The parking is for the customer in that plaza and not for the customer in that area.

I used a store in the plaza and purchased something there. It just so happened I needed something else across the street as well so there was no point in starting my car to drive across the road and come back. It was 2:00 on a Thursday afternoon, so the parking lot was only 1/4 full.

Any businesses that support such idiotic enforcement of rules on their customers doesn't get my business anymore, hence I never shop at that plaza now.

[iluvmikeharris]

Ignore it - treat it like it's written on toilet paper.

[TTony]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18334.aspx

[participant]

I went to the same plaza north of Yonge and Sheppard on May 9. I actually but something from the convenience store. After that, I had to visit a shop for about 5 minutes and came back to find the ticket on my windshield.

I found the guy issuing the tickets and told him why he had done so. He denied that it is him doing that. I guess he has confronted so many times he does not want to admit it. Basically, what is happening is that those shops look at this as another source of income. Think about it, you may park there to buy a sandwich or pizza and something which most of the time causes you to spend less than 10 bucks. Whereas, this guys can charge you $40 in blink of an eye. Quite profitable. Now if you are idiot enough to pay the tickets these guys are more than happy to serve you. :!: They have that monkey sitting in a car parked in the plaza to give you a ticket the moment you turn your back.


I am not going to pay this ticket and continue to provide updates in this thread on the outcome.

For all of you receiving those tickets, my suggestions is DO NOT PAY.

[phiLLy11]

Hey,

I remember reading about how you don't actually have to pay the 'Municipla Parking Corporation' Parking Tickets.

I Got one at Yonge & Sheppard tonight, and the violation is: "Parked on Privated Propoerty Without Consent - $40 (Voluntary) / $60 (Set Payment)"

It's white in color, and at nowhere does it say "CITY OF TORONTO" or has the "TORONTO" Logo on it like a "real" parking ticket does (http://bp1.blogger.com/_bDcxRyvD2XY/R5vmZ5DxsLI/AAAAAAAAACQ/WBuCas4LRwM/s1600-h/PT_frontlrg.gif)

The back of the ticket has the following options to be paid:

Payment by Phone
Payment by Mail
Payment Online
Payment in Person
Disputes

I remember reading that these tickets can be disregarded?

Should I be paying this ticket?

[express.items]

It's yellow...

and I'm pretty sure on the back it says some crap about not being able to renew your plate stickers if you don't pay?

I got one last week, need to get around to paying it.

[phiLLy11]

It's yellow...

and I'm pretty sure on the back it says some crap about not being able to renew your plate stickers if you don't pay?

I got one last week, need to get around to paying it.

I know the "City of Toronto" ones are, but mine's white.

I remember reading about this somewhere :/

[Windows95]

You should be in the clear. Unless there has been a more recent court decision, last fall the Ontario Court of Appeal upheld Toronto's bylaw banning private tickets. That being said, there was an exception for Impark lots and fees if you overstay.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/259320

That's being said, while you apparently don't have to pay fines on any tickets they give you, they still try and send collection agencies after you. Up unitl recently, the MTO was actually giving them your personal info.

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18334.aspx
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18649.aspx

Just be mindful though that if you park in their lots again and they find you have outstanding "fines", they could tow your vehicle and you could be looking at a hefty bill. But unlike real tickets, you shouldn't have to worry about not being able to renew your plates, etc.

[Code85]

I got one at Seneca Parking lot and I was wondering the same thing.

[iam_immigrant]

I got one at Seneca Parking lot and I was wondering the same thing.

I think some colleges and universities may withhold your diploma/degree/certificate if you fail to pay all outstanding fees, which a parking ticket is.

[Code85]

So does most colleges/universities use third party parking enforcers? because on the ticket it doesn't state what company, all it says is Parking Invoice. On the back it did mention what was previously posted that failing to pay within 30days the ticket will be forwarded to a collection agency.
I just went to the website (parkinginvoice.ca) to check it out and it's really shabby.

[phiLLy11]

You should be in the clear. Unless there has been a more recent court decision, last fall the Ontario Court of Appeal upheld Toronto's bylaw banning private tickets. That being said, there was an exception for Impark lots and fees if you overstay.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/259320

That's being said, while you apparently don't have to pay fines on any tickets they give you, they still try and send collection agencies after you. Up unitl recently, the MTO was actually giving them your personal info.

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18334.aspx
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18649.aspx

Just be mindful though that if you park in their lots again and they find you have outstanding "fines", they could tow your vehicle and you could be looking at a hefty bill. But unlike real tickets, you shouldn't have to worry about not being able to renew your plates, etc.

Thanks!

So I can pretty much just ignore it? It's just a one time parking thing anyways, I was just there for dinner with some friends.

[Windows95]

Thanks!

So I can pretty much just ignore it? It's just a one time parking thing anyways, I was just there for dinner with some friends.

I have no experience myself with private parking tickets, I'm just going by what the articles say. Sure looks like you're in the clear.

[iam_immigrant]

So does most colleges/universities use third party parking enforcers? because on the ticket it doesn't state what company, all it says is Parking Invoice. On the back it did mention what was previously posted that failing to pay within 30days the ticket will be forwarded to a collection agency.
I just went to the website (parkinginvoice.ca) to check it out and it's really shabby.


I *think* they do but not 100% sure. You could probably ask the college.

And I remember when I went to Seneca Don Mills campus (now closed) I got a ton of the private parking tickets. Never paid a single dime and no collection calls. Of course this was a few years ago and was on private property (a church).

[sienna owner]

You should be in the clear. Unless there has been a more recent court decision, last fall the Ontario Court of Appeal upheld Toronto's bylaw banning private tickets. That being said, there was an exception for Impark lots and fees if you overstay.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/259320

That's being said, while you apparently don't have to pay fines on any tickets they give you, they still try and send collection agencies after you. Up unitl recently, the MTO was actually giving them your personal info.

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18334.aspx
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18649.aspx

Just be mindful though that if you park in their lots again and they find you have outstanding "fines", they could tow your vehicle and you could be looking at a hefty bill. But unlike real tickets, you shouldn't have to worry about not being able to renew your plates, etc.

if they tow you car and you want to get your car back from the towing company, I believe you can request that they release your car and not pay anything...reason being is cause if you're on private property, you will not get a "city" ticket, just a private ticketing co, and the towing co. has no right to hold your vehicle and could be charge with theft/possession...no real ticket means no valid reason why they can hold it....someone may want to confirm this though....

[Windows95]

if they tow you car and you want to get your car back from the towing company, I believe you can request that they release your car and not pay anything...reason being is cause if you're on private property, you will not get a "city" ticket, just a private ticketing co, and the towing co. has no right to hold your vehicle and could be charge with theft/possession...no real ticket means no valid reason why they can hold it....someone may want to confirm this though....

While I don't think the tow company could hold your vehicle if you refuse to pay a private parking ticket, they can still hold your vehicle for the tow and storage expense. The Ontario repair and storage liens act gives tow companies the authority to hold vehicles until you pay them what is owed. They are certainly well within their rights to tow your vehicle from their property.

[sienna owner]

While I don't think the tow company could hold your vehicle if you refuse to pay a private parking ticket, they can still hold your vehicle for the tow and storage expense. The Ontario repair and storage liens act gives tow companies the authority to hold vehicles until you pay them what is owed. They are certainly well within their rights to tow your vehicle from their property.

it not their propert....it's someone else's private property....there wouldn't be any tow or storage expense if they didn't tow in the first place...may have to get an "official" clarification on this situation

[weedb0y]

Dont pay. Nothing happens. No mark on your credit..Nothing, they will however have a machine call you daily to bug you for months!

[maru john]

Hello friends,

good morning .
I
am a new member . i lived in a apartment and pay monthly for parking lot in underground where no one entered without acceess scanner..

yesterady my friend borrowed my car and return back around 5.00pm ,he parked my car at visitors only parking area in our apartment and he came to my suite and told he was parked there, so i went immediately to there and get my car back to my permenant lot i saw a ticket on my car which indicate "parking in a private area without consent" voluntary payment $40 and set payment $60.

Is it acceptable ??? how can i ask my friend to park in my authorised lot because he cant enter it without scanner, even i went immediately mean time the person put the ticket he mentioned 5.05pm on ticket.

I desperately need your help whether I need to pay?? even i called these people(MPC ) but no response at all .

please advised me


thanks

[s7r1k3r]

Dont pay it I used to work for this company a few years ago for like 2 years. They cant do anything to you and work on the principle of if 1 of every 10 tickets gets paid then it is worth it. The tickets hold no ground and the building companies often employ these guys to ticket or scare people to pay for the visitors. Believe me nothing will happen to you if you dont pay because they dont have access to your personal file even though they have you license plate. I also worked for impark for a few years as well so I have pretty good knowledge on "fake" parking tickets. Although impark tickets work the same way if you get like a 100 of them they will come after you to reclaim their losses. It doesnt make sense for them to come after a person for 1 ticket.

Oh and BTW which building is it . I used to do all Jane and Finch areas as well as Eglinton West and East Scarborough which is around Neilson and Morningside areas. It was probably this old woman that gave you the ticket that still works there. They are ruthless and will give ticket for anything. They get paid for tickets given and make quotas.

[maru john]

thanks. for ur information.

so no need ?? no more penalty will come if i not pay

[maru john]

Dont pay it I used to work for this company a few years ago for like 2 years. They cant do anything to you and work on the principle of if 1 of every 10 tickets gets paid then it is worth it. The tickets hold no ground and the building companies often employ these guys to ticket or scare people to pay for the visitors. Believe me nothing will happen to you if you dont pay because they dont have access to your personal file even though they have you license plate. I also worked for impark for a few years as well so I have pretty good knowledge on "fake" parking tickets. Although impark tickets work the same way if you get like a 100 of them they will come after you to reclaim their losses. It doesnt make sense for them to come after a person for 1 ticket.

Oh and BTW which building is it . I used to do all Jane and Finch areas as well as Eglinton West and East Scarborough which is around Neilson and Morningside areas. It was probably this old woman that gave you the ticket that still works there. They are ruthless and will give ticket for anything. They get paid for tickets given and make quotas.




building is mccowan and finch at sandhurst circle.

[Canuck32]

What a horrible company. As stated above, they have no legal authority and are just trying to muscle people into paying. I called them about 8 months ago, told them I was a legal professional, and asked for the legal authority for the tickets - the guy on the phone ended up hanging up on me.

If they somehow have your address (in the past they could get this from MTO, but this may have changed as it's a clear privacy issue) then they will send you bills, and keep tacking on fees. They may even call you. If you want to be left alone, just send them a letter saying you oppose the debt, asking them to cease and desist any communication, and if they want to pursue things further then you will be pleased to address the issue in court (not gonna happen, see below). The same goes if you are ever contacted by any form of collection agency.

The Ontario Court of Appeal weighed in on this discussion recently and came out with two separate rulings. Both cases involved the City of Toronto and one was against MPC and the other Impark. The dispute was over the legality of a Toronto bylaw saying only City officers could issue parking tickets. Basically the OCA said that a valid contract can be formed where there is clear signage saying what the fee is for not paying to park (Impark posts a sign saying the fee is $69.90). The complaint my MPC was thrown out. The court also stated that there is no trespassing going on because people are being invited to park on the premises.

If you get an Impark ticket (I disagree completely with this part of the judgment, but I digress), however, there may still be issues of enforceability of the fine. They are not city tickets and thus cannot be enforced through the same means (by the MTO when you renew your licence, etc.), and of course there is not the same due process. This judgment bothered me because while it did address the relevant contract law principles, it did not speak of the need for due process (no right here to appear in front of a JP). What if someone never did park in the lot? What if the person issuing the ticket misread the payment slip? Impark should at least have to prove a valid violation on a balance of probabilities. My guess is that a judge would still need to interpret whether there was knowledge of the contract and fee, but the OCA was pretty silent on this.

I liken the situation to someone sending you a bill in the mail saying you owe them money, and demanding payment. You could of course pay the bill, but if you refuse, they will need to take other steps to collect. If they decide to sue then you will need to defend yourself in court. For MPC, it's clear the court will rule against them. For Impark, a court would likely follow the OCA decision and find a contract is in existence. The question, however, is whether it is worth it for Impark to pursue the matter for a mere $69.90. The common opinion is that it is not.

[maru john]

thanks.
for my one is MPC.

I have a sticker on my car front screen for permenant authorised lot in underground, which sticker also issued by MPC (Municipal parking Corporation)provided by our buliding management.

So I think the person saw my car in visitors only parking lot for a while (just 5 minutes)as i mentioned earlier post about that incidence and charged a fine.still im a paying for permenant parking in monthly basis to my management.

Still I heard that MPC is not a legal authority as announced by court ,may be from january 2008 .I saw from paper news. Is it right?? or there after any changes happen??

I could not get out from it!!!!

[s7r1k3r]

They are not a legal authority but they make their logo, name and tickets to look very real. Except for the word corporation which is how they get away with it. I can tell you where their office is. it's at Yonge and Steeles and if you want to go there ask me. LOL

[00project]

anyone know if the "Corporation of the town of Richmond Hill" is legit government or privately owned business? just got a ticket from them this weekend.

ive only been given one ticket from a private company in the past, i ripped it up and tossed it out in front of the guy without any recourse.

[flimbs]

My friend just got a ticket from the lot south of the Madison Center at Yonge & Sheppard too! Let's see what happens.

[KorruptioN]

I went to the same plaza north of Yonge and Sheppard on May 9. I actually but something from the convenience store. After that, I had to visit a shop for about 5 minutes and came back to find the ticket on my windshield.

My friend just got a ticket from the lot south of the Madison Center at Yonge & Sheppard too! Let's see what happens.

Is this the little lot with the Pizza Hut? There's a guy sitting there FULL-TIME in a silver Honda Civic just waiting for people to park and step off the premises. As soon as that happens, he jumps out and immediately puts a ticket on the "offending" driver's windshield. Ridiculous.

I refuse to give any of those stores my business because of this.

[booblehead]

Don't pay ... the private company may use the collection agency but then so what ? Remember, they cannot stop you from getting your sticker renewnal.

[flimbs]

Is this the little lot with the Pizza Pizza? There's a guy sitting there FULL-TIME in a silver Honda Civic just waiting for people to park and step off the premises. As soon as that happens, he jumps out and immediately puts a ticket on the "offending" driver's windshield. Ridiculous.

I refuse to give any of those stores my business because of this.
Oh snap! thanks for the info Korruption. I had NO idea how they got to our car so fast. We went to the Running room for five minutes, and POW. A white ticket. I wasn't sweating it, cause I remember seeing the story on Citypulse a while back too.

Next time I'm gonna eyeball that honda civic lowlife. Or better yet, walk over to his car with the ticket and rip it up and throw it on his windshield.

[KorruptioN]

Yeah, it's the lot with the Pizza Hut, right? (edited my post with the correction)

[flimbs]

Yeah, it's the lot with the Pizza Hut, right? (edited my post with the correction)
Umm.....ya, there is a pizza place there. And a subway. And a convenience store. Right next to the Moxie's and Extreme fitness.

I gotta pass by there again and see what silver honda civic you're talking about.

[stuff352]

i got one of these tickets too, it was by the subway station and i was about to pay for parking using the machine but it was broken but it had instructions to call. The battery on my cell was low so i decided to call from a pay phone ... 5 min away and paid but low and behold i got a ticket issued 4 min after i parked. I saw the guy sitting in the car and he even saw me writing down the number what a joke. I will not be paying it

[mariokarter]

I wouldn't pay for one of these, so what if they call a few times, they won't be able to interfear with my license/plates, and I doubt the people who run credit bureaus take the private parking companies seriously.

[vittycent]

Thanks for the help guys.
So the final decision is, don't pay?? ...because it will likely NOT affect your credit? How will they know who the driver was? It wouldn't be feasible to report to the credit bureau if there's not proof to who the driver of the car was, right?

[Katterine]

if you continue not to pay these tickets... they will no longer allow your vehicle on their property... happened to my friend @ UTSC... of course they gotta catch you on their property

in no way can it affect your credit rating tho... because they can't tell who to go after... all they've got is a license plate which can belong to the driver at the time, father, mother, brother, sister, friend, long lost cousin, dude down the street... etc

Here's a similar situation.

http://annoyingparkingticket.blogspot.com Blogspot. Somebody posted miniscule no parking signs and 10 people got ticketed in one afternoon! What a windfall!

[ottawasportsfan2010]

Theres no way any private parking ticket will affect your credit rating.

I get tons of em and they dont do anything.

No but you car will be banned from that lot.

[Tomy]

never heard of this before.. OP u must be the first to receive this ticket on RFD

[masterballer]

Theres no way any private parking ticket will affect your credit rating.

I get tons of em and they dont do anything.


+1 seems like everything these days will "affect your rating" ... just to make people scared to just pay up ...

[cy]

never heard of this before.. OP u must be the first to receive this ticket on RFD

Apparently not. Do a search and there's a huge thread on this. The conclusion is that the you don't have to pay it. It will not affect you in anyway except maybe a few calls from the collection.

Link: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543496

[Tomy]

Apparently not. Do a search and there's a huge thread on this. The conclusion is that the you don't have to pay it. It will not affect you in anyway except maybe a few calls from the collection.

Link: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543496

lol

[Cheap Cat]

Apparently not. Do a search and there's a huge thread on this. The conclusion is that the you don't have to pay it. It will not affect you in anyway except maybe a few calls from the collection.

Link: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543496

I got one once, ignored it and nothing happened, not even a single phone call or collection notice.

[Cheap Cat]

Damn. I just got a City of Toronto parking ticket. It was at 8:29, I paid for parking from 8:22-8:42. Damn them! I cleary put it on the dashboard. Is there an easy way to resolve this? I don't wanna have to go down to the office.

Call them and see. You may be able to fax it but I think you still have to go in in person for them to cancel the ticket. I got one of these at the bus terminal. I went inside to complain and they got the guy who issued the ticket as he was the only one who could cancel it. The a**hole refused to cancel the ticket although I had clearly paid the daily rate and was in that time frame. It is a small lot and I used to park in it every day so he knew my car. Even his coworkers said he was being a jerk for not cancelling the ticket. His complaint, I had folded the ticket and put the receipt side up. It still had the amount paid and the date on it.

[can2000]

Damn! Just got a "parking ticket" in an apartment visitor parking lot 2 days ago. The title of this ticket is "Parking Violation Notice" issued by Municipal Parking Corporation.
The color is white in the front, and blue in the back.
They circled Voluntary Payment $40, and Set Payment $60.
On the front of the paper, there are only two options to make the payment: with 7 days or with 15 days(Voluntary Payment vs. Set Payment). There is no option to go to the court. It tells me if I want to dispute, I have to write to them and provide the evidence. If I don't pay, or dispute, legal proceeding may be commenced against you under the Trespass to Property Act and/or at law for damages, costs and expenses; any unpaid judgment could result in wage garnished or seizure of your vehicle. Receipt of payment of the voluntary amount with 7 days or the set amount within 15 days will be accepted in full satisfaction on all claims arising out of the above noted vehicle trespass parking violation, inclusive of any applicaple GST or RST, save and except for any claims for loss or damage to persons or property arising out of the operation of the above vehicle at the above property.

Guys, does it mean I can either pay $40 of Voluntary payment, OR $60 set payment, and they won't after me? I don't have to pay $40 + $60 ?

Thank you!

[masterballer]

Oh snap! thanks for the info Korruption. I had NO idea how they got to our car so fast. We went to the Running room for five minutes, and POW. A white ticket. I wasn't sweating it, cause I remember seeing the story on Citypulse a while back too.

Next time I'm gonna eyeball that honda civic lowlife. Or better yet, walk over to his car with the ticket and rip it up and throw it on his windshield.

haha i did that one time to the guy, he didnt say anything.

[masterballer]

Damn! Just got a "parking ticket" in an apartment visitor parking lot 2 days ago. The title of this ticket is "Parking Violation Notice" issued by Municipal Parking Corporation.
The color is white in the front, and blue in the back.
They circled Voluntary Payment $40, and Set Payment $60.
On the front of the paper, there are only two options to make the payment: with 7 days or with 15 days(Voluntary Payment vs. Set Payment). There is no option to go to the court. It tells me if I want to dispute, I have to write to them and provide the evidence. If I don't pay, or dispute, legal proceeding may be commenced against you under the Trespass to Property Act and/or at law for damages, costs and expenses; any unpaid judgment could result in wage garnished or seizure of your vehicle. Receipt of payment of the voluntary amount with 7 days or the set amount within 15 days will be accepted in full satisfaction on all claims arising out of the above noted vehicle trespass parking violation, inclusive of any applicaple GST or RST, save and except for any claims for loss or damage to persons or property arising out of the operation of the above vehicle at the above property.

Guys, does it mean I can either pay $40 of Voluntary payment, OR $60 set payment, and they won't after me? I don't have to pay $40 + $60 ?

Thank you!

You DO NOT have to pay it, NOTHING will happen to you other than getting a few pieces of mail from them in a months time.

[plymouthhater]

anyone know if the "Corporation of the town of Richmond Hill" is legit government or privately owned business? just got a ticket from them this weekend.

ive only been given one ticket from a private company in the past, i ripped it up and tossed it out in front of the guy without any recourse.

Corporation of the Town of Richmond Hill is a legitimate ticket from one of the town's Parking Enforcement officers. If you fail to pay, you will not be able to renew your vehicle's plate come renewal date.

Let me guess - the ticket was $30 and the offense was either blocking a driveway/sidewalk or parking between 2 and 6 am on a residential street.

[Grim]

I got a few of these parking tickets while parking at my friends
apartment.It was all the same (did not display permit 12am-7am).
Are these tickets by the city?and are they private?I always paid for the
yellow ones,but these Im not sure.BTW,I still park there but no more past
midnight,thanks.

[desi007]

I got this MPC ticket when parking in a plaza near York University.It's a white ticket with a MPC logo and it says parking on a private property without consent.I do not want to pay and try to dispute it.

[kklove]

Is this the little lot with the Pizza Hut? There's a guy sitting there FULL-TIME in a silver Honda Civic just waiting for people to park and step off the premises. As soon as that happens, he jumps out and immediately puts a ticket on the "offending" driver's windshield. Ridiculous.

I refuse to give any of those stores my business because of this.

------------
I went there last Friday got a same ticket and argued with that man in the HONDA for half an hour and I will never go back to that plaza again!!!:mad:
It's not human being

[kklove]

Ironically, just like other people say there's a full time Honda guy just sitting there spying on everyone parking there. I found the ticket and being told by another victim who gave me the ticket and I argued with him who is a complete idiot and evil. Never go back to that plaza again....I asked the service at that UPS store and the women refuse to give me any help,I bought pizza hut food and their stuff say I don't need to pay it.

[CatDog]

I got a $100 ticket at the Erin Dale GO station, doesn't say Mississauga anywhere on it and it's a white ticket.

The license plate is and colour is correct, the make of the vehicle is not.

I called the GO and left a VM with somebody there, just wondering if this is a real ticket I have to mail in in order to go to court about, or if it can just be ignored.

When I called and asked, I was told the parking ticket is enforced by actual GO station and not the city.

Thanks guys