07 Mitsubishi Eclipse - Worth it?

[Shaner]

I fell in love with those cars today. They are nice looking little cars.

This is what I got quoted.

Mitsubishi Eclipse Coupe GS
2.4L SOHC MPI MIVEC
5 speed manual

$25,998

+

GS Sun & Sound Package (the stereo absolutely kicks a$$!!!) - $3,000
Destination and delivery - $1095
Excise tax - $100

Total = $30,193

Now, the absolute lowest he would go is $29,000 before taxes.
He said that the profit margin on Mitsubishi vehicles is very, very low. He told me that if I take his reduced offer, he'll be making approx. $500 profit on the vehicle, which is reasonable.
What I'm wondering is if he's being honest or not.

He even let me walk away. I told him I'd think about it but wanted another $1500 dropped off the price. He said he couldn't do it and let me walk out without any further negotiations.

I really like the car, but would like to get the price down a bit more.

Any ideas/suggestions?

[radeonboy]

Obviously this guy will tell you there is no room for profit. What a liar, its salesperson material. You should be able to squeeze some more off, you should be in control of the situation, not your salesperson.

[fireguy9]

nice car but a nightmare in repair costs!!!

[Shaner]

Obviously this guy will tell you there is no room for profit. What a liar, its salesperson material. You should be able to squeeze some more off, you should be in control of the situation, not your salesperson.

There's only so much I can do. I showed very serious interest and even brought me girlfriend to the dealership with me. I told him that I will be paying in cash and I was willing to buy the car on the spot. He wouldn't budge and even let me walk out and go home.

If he's serious about the profit margin being slim on Mitsubishi cars, then I will be more than happy to pay the $29k that he is asking for.

[Shaner]

nice car but a nightmare in repair costs!!!

Are they really that bad?

[shabby]

Why not go through the apa, you'll get dealer invoice pricing.

[Shaner]

Why not go through the apa, you'll get dealer invoice pricing.

The what?

[afong56]

The what?


http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=117

[P90Puma]

Are they really that bad?

No they are not.

This misconception comes from the faster mitsubishi's (anything with a 2.0L Turbo) that generally have the **** kicked out of them and are expected to run like a honda that never see 5000 rpm.

3000$ is a total rip off for a sound system, what you could have installed aftermarket for that price would be at least 10x better.

This is coming from a mitsubishi owner. (3 so far)

This generation eclipse is pretty slow especially the non GT version, but it will be pretty reliable.

[D-Sisive]

I told him that I will be paying in cash and I was willing to buy the car on the spot.


they rather you finance and lease it since they make more money that way

cash gives them the lowest profit overall

go to another mitsu dealer and tell them the other guy offered 29000 but you want it for less, what can he do

[Andro]

i would not recommend mitsubishi, but if you are getting eclipse atleast get gt with v6........current v4 is pointless in that car.

[cil254]

i would not recommend mitsubishi, but if you are getting eclipse atleast get gt with v6........current v4 is pointless in that car.

v4 ? :rolleyes:

[Andro]

v4 ? :rolleyes:

okey L4, happy? still is gutless engine...

[cwb27]

okey L4, happy? still is gutless engine...

The 162 HP MIVEC is far from gutless, it also has way more torque than an equivalent Honda engine would have.

Edit: My bad, only the GT-P has the 6 speed. the GS is still a 5 speed. However, I don't know if the transmissions are the same as the Ralliart.

[Andro]

The 162 HP MIVEC is far from gutless, it also has way more torque than an equivalent Honda engine would have.

The car will still have decent power, it will feel similiar to a Railliart (same engine), only real difference is that the Eclipse manual is a 6 speed so you'll have a higher top end.

well since it's L4 from mitsu eclipse then equivalent could very well be the SI pumping out 197hp.......that's 35 more hp........i mean price wise they are almost the same and also engine type wise they are in same tier too........so how is it that mitsubishi is good?.....plus add honda's reliability, and add mitsubishis reliability(or should i say subtract in mitsubishi's case).

mitsibishi eclipse GS
162hp 162tq
L4
price: 25,498

honda civic SI
197hp 139tq
V4
price: 26,080

[cwb27]

well since it's L4 from mitsu eclipse then equivalent could very well be the SI pumping out 197hp.......that's 35 more hp........i mean price wise they are almost the same and also engine type wise they are in same tier too........so how is it mitsu good?

The Si is 197 HP, but still only pushing 139 ft pounds of torque. The L4 may have only 162 HP, but with 162 ft pounds of torque.

So you put a driver and 3 friends in an Si and put a driver and 3 friends into GS, the GS will have better pick me up.

[Andro]

The Si is 197 HP, but still only pushing 139 ft pounds of torque. The L4 may have only 162 HP, but with 162 ft pounds of torque.

So you put a driver and 3 friends in an Si and put a driver and 3 friends into GS, the GS will have better pick me up.

you think so? i would love to do that experiment with you........i can guarantee SI will smoke GS easy both with passengers or without.....plus who the hell cares how fast their car is gonna go with 3 ppl in it :confused: we are not racing minivans you know :lol:

[cwb27]

you think so? i would love to do that experiment with you........i can guarantee SI will smoke GS easy both with passengers or without.

I would indeed be really interested to see what would happen to tell you the truth.

With a single person in each car, I wouldn't say the Si would smoke the GS, but it would definitly pull ahead on it.


Edit, as you've edited your post I quoted

This has nothing to do with racing minivans, or racing at all really. The point I was making was that having more torque, the Mitsu engine will perform better with heavier loads than the Honda Si. Horsepower isn't everything.

[Andro]

I would indeed be really interested to see what would happen to tell you the truth.

With a single person in each car, I wouldn't say the Si would smoke the GS, but it would definitly pull ahead on it.

i know what would happen......anyways, im not dissing mitsubishi's just saying V6 is best bet with eclipse, since it's L4 is not very impressive....well not in the current model that is.

[jetway1212]

No they are not.

This misconception comes from the faster mitsubishi's (anything with a 2.0L Turbo) that generally have the **** kicked out of them and are expected to run like a honda that never see 5000 rpm.

3000$ is a total rip off for a sound system, what you could have installed aftermarket for that price would be at least 10x better.

This is coming from a mitsubishi owner. (3 so far)

This generation eclipse is pretty slow especially the non GT version, but it will
be pretty reliable.


PLease dont claim to be a Mitsu guy, you're a disgraced with that knowledge of yours.

Anyway, back to the topic. This gen of Eclipse does not have turbo. Its hella heavy so that I4 engine wont get you any faster than the normal 140HP civic let alone the SI.

Also the gearing is so bad compare to the close ratio 6spd gearing in the SI. Search around, even the V6 version can barely beat the SI dispite the fact that it has lots of torqe, it has no traction so its 60' time is still terrible.

Its funny that someone actually think that boat with I4 "MIVEC" can hang with the new SI. I was in my gf's typeS the other day and i put a 07 Eclipse in dust, the look on that driver is priceless. Its the 4 cyclinder one, GS

[TrevorK]

well since it's L4 from mitsu eclipse then equivalent could very well be the SI pumping out 197hp.......that's 35 more hp........i mean price wise they are almost the same and also engine type wise they are in same tier too........so how is it that mitsubishi is good?.....plus add honda's reliability, and add mitsubishis reliability(or should i say subtract in mitsubishi's case).

mitsibishi eclipse GS
162hp 162tq
L4
price: 25,498

honda civic SI
197hp 139tq
V4
price: 26,080


Thank you for referring to the new Civic as a V4 engine. Anyone who is reading this thread, with basic car knowledge, now knows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and to basically disregard everything you post.

Don't talk about the outcome of any race if you don't even know the basics behind the engine. That's like me telling a heart surgeon how the heart works.

[v33k]

Buy it if you like it.
Mitsu has better warranty IIRC

But I suggest you go thru APA.

They were offering me $3k off for the Lancer.

[cwb27]

LOL, didn't even notice that Andro... Explain the difference between a V4 and an L4 will ya? :)


Anyways, back on topic.

If I'm correct the 3 grand covers both the sound system AND the sunroof. And if the sound system is anything like the one offered for the Ralliart w/Sun And Sound it is amazing.

And yeah, you could probably get a decent aftermarket system, but it probably wouldn't be an Infinity system and chances are it wouldn't be as clean of an install.

[Andro]

PLease dont claim to be a Mitsu guy, you're a disgraced with that knowledge of yours.

Anyway, back to the topic. This gen of Eclipse does not have turbo. Its hella heavy so that I4 engine wont get you any faster than the normal 140HP civic let alone the SI.

Also the gearing is so bad compare to the close ratio 6spd gearing in the SI. Search around, even the V6 version can barely beat the SI dispite the fact that it has lots of torqe, it has no traction so its 60' time is still terrible.

Its funny that someone actually think that boat with I4 "MIVEC" can hang with the new SI. I was in my gf's typeS the other day and i put a 07 Eclipse in dust, the look on that driver is priceless. Its the 4 cyclinder one, GS

wtf, relax aight man? they are both 4 cylinders that's what i meant, a typo is what you can do and pick on........and what i said was stated facts from honda and mitsu sites okey? wanna check? they only thing is that i put V4, but we both know what i meant....so don't **** around, i meant 4 cylinder.......god, why is there always someone who just can't let go of stupid little detail, don't you have anything better to do?

[eXpedite]

Why is it that people are always so quick to flame a post, getting hung up on stupid details? V4 / L4 - I knew what Andro meant. Sometimes the brain runs a head in the thought process, and the fingers try to keep up. Slip up's occur, but that's no reason to be an ass.

I read a thread on the Eclipse wondering if it is indeed a good buy in the opinion of those of you who have something intelligent to add, but it always comes down to this... :confused:

[v33k]

Why is it that people are always so quick to flame a post, getting hung up on stupid details? V4 / L4 - I knew what Andro meant. Sometimes the brain runs a head in the thought process, and the fingers try to keep up. Slip up's occur, but that's no reason to be an ass.

I read a thread on the Eclipse wondering if it is indeed a good buy in the opinion of those of you who have something intelligent to add, but it always comes down to this... :confused:

b'coz there are a ***** load of people on the forum think they are very "SMART" . Where in real life they don't get recognized.

It is called "displacement" in psychology term.

[TrevorK]

Why is it that people are always so quick to flame a post, getting hung up on stupid details? V4 / L4 - I knew what Andro meant. Sometimes the brain runs a head in the thought process, and the fingers try to keep up. Slip up's occur, but that's no reason to be an ass.

The V and I keys are very far about on the keyboard, it obviously wasn't a typo. It's obvious the poster meant to use a V.

Therefore, we can conclude his knowledge of engines is limited. That is proven.


Now, he is trying to argue as to which car is faster based on horsepower (The power the engine pushes out). If he has limited knowledge of engines, how they operate, how is his opinion valid? From his post, I gather he feels that because the Civic has the most HP it is obviously faster, which is completely wrong becaue HP isn't the only factor in making a vehicle fast.

Now that we've determined the poster has no clue what he's talking about when he claims the Civic is faster, we have to wonder if any of his post is valid.

[eXpedite]

I disagree. I believe he meant to say 4 cylinder engine just like he said, and just because he used a V instead of an I doesn't mean all his experience or knowledge is null and void. Unlike you, I took the meaning to indicate the number of cylinders and not their configuration. People should not pass justment too quickly!

If he had said, "I4" would then would his opinion have merit and would be fit to debate? Unfortunately he indicated the wrong coniguration of the engine and thus you deem he's pretty much an idiot.

Really, who cares?? It's not even related to the OP's question! And that's one problem with the forums as of late - some people just like to argue. Not sure why people feel the beat their chest to demonstrate their own "superiority knowledge" over another - when most of the time, that knowledge is based on info copied/pasted from another website. I sincerely doubt many here are race mechanics and have a real thorough understanding of what goes on under the hood and how that equates to performance at the tire. People just spit out numbers and then try to explain what this all means in some language that either (a) sounds intelligent; or (b)has an air of cocky confidence that dares anyone to defy their statement.

What gives? Relax a little and stop being so eager to proclaim another is an idiot, or to advise what Andro "really meant to do" unless you could read his mind.

[Focus]

Check the weight, that car is a pig.

[jetway1212]

Check the weight, that car is a pig.

Yup! LOL and someone here with no experience in drags racing claiming the 4cyclinder GS can hang with the new SI.


Andro, you're the one should relax, read my post again, i reply to that guy claim hes a Mitsu guy.

[P90Puma]

PLease dont claim to be a Mitsu guy, you're a disgraced with that knowledge of yours.


How many Mitsu's have you owned?

Which knowledge exactly?

Have you ever worked/raced in/on a 20G powered 1G DSM?

Have you ever owned a 1G or 2G DSM? Im not talking about ESi's or DL's either.

How many DSM's have you parted out?

Like I said this eclipse is nothing special or quick, but that is not what the OP is looking for.

He's looking for something decently priced, that looks nice and will be reliable.

I never said it was fast, I said it will be reliable, which it will be.

[radeonboy]

well since it's L4 from mitsu eclipse then equivalent could very well be the SI pumping out 197hp.......that's 35 more hp........i mean price wise they are almost the same and also engine type wise they are in same tier too........so how is it that mitsubishi is good?.....plus add honda's reliability, and add mitsubishis reliability(or should i say subtract in mitsubishi's case).

mitsibishi eclipse GS
162hp 162tq
L4
price: 25,498

honda civic SI
197hp 139tq
V4
price: 26,080

I'd take the Honda Civic Si any day of the week over the Eclipse. I think the Civic is a way better enthusiast car than the Mitsu. You have to factor in also weight. The Mistu is almost 3300lbs compared to the Si which comes in at around 2900 (both manual tranny #).

Factor in a better package from Honda. You get LSD, a great K-Series engine which responds very nicely to mods, and you can get more power in the Si that is equivalent to the S2000 for thousands less.

Edit: I found out the Si SMOKES the GS Eclipse. Eclispe does a 0-60 time of 9.2 seconds according to ConsumerGuide Automotive while the Si does a 0-60 time of around 7.2 seconds.

Now the Eclipse GT does 6.1 seconds compared to the Si, however the thing costs HOW MUCH MORE in this trim????

I'd go with the Si, mod it out, and you'll see 6.1 seconds or better very quickly with that K engine.

EDit 2: MY GOD!! The GT Eclispe costs MSRP $34,000. With the ~$7000 you save from purchasing the Si, HOT DAMN, you can basically rape the Mitsubishi once you are done spending $7000 on mods...You can have a killer Si that can run with the big bad boys. 7K is alot of possibility :D

BUT......I guess it depends on personal preference. Different strokes for different folks. I'd take the Honda Civic Si ANY DAY. :D

[gilboman]

The Si is 197 HP, but still only pushing 139 ft pounds of torque. The L4 may have only 162 HP, but with 162 ft pounds of torque.

So you put a driver and 3 friends in an Si and put a driver and 3 friends into GS, the GS will have better pick me up.

the GS is uber heavy though... the civic SI will pull hard on the GS even with 3ppl in each...since once you reach about 3k+ in the SI... the gearing will allow it to have the power advantage all the way.

[Shaner]

Doesn't matter now.
I went out and bought a Mustang today.
Now I don't want to hear any more people saying my choice of car is slow. lol

[cwb27]

Doesn't matter now.
I went out and bought a Mustang today.
Now I don't want to hear any more people saying my choice of car is slow. lol

New mustang? *coughcoughredneckcough* ;) :lol:

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Doesn't matter now.
I went out and bought a Mustang today.
Now I don't want to hear any more people saying my choice of car is slow. lol

Uh, you didn't buy the V6 version of the Mustang, did you? Because it's slower than both the Civic SI AND the Eclipse GT. I think it might be faster than the 4 cyl. Eclipse GS in the 1/4 mile though. :lol:

RIGHT

I went out and bought a M5 today.
Now I don't want to hear any more people saying my choice of car is slow. lol


I went out and bought a CL65 AMG today.
Now I don't want to hear any more people saying my choice of car is slow. lol


WRONG


I went out and bought a Mustang(haha) today.
Now I don't want to hear any more people saying my choice of car is slow. lol

[Andro]

The V and I keys are very far about on the keyboard, it obviously wasn't a typo. It's obvious the poster meant to use a V.

Therefore, we can conclude his knowledge of engines is limited. That is proven.


Now, he is trying to argue as to which car is faster based on horsepower (The power the engine pushes out). If he has limited knowledge of engines, how they operate, how is his opinion valid? From his post, I gather he feels that because the Civic has the most HP it is obviously faster, which is completely wrong becaue HP isn't the only factor in making a vehicle fast.

Now that we've determined the poster has no clue what he's talking about when he claims the Civic is faster, we have to wonder if any of his post is valid.

did you count how many spaces they are apart? is this all you do on here counting other ppl mistakes and typos?........of course there's no V4 there, but it's what popped in to my mind thinking of V6,v8 and so on........so relax aight, i know quite a few things about cars..and have some experience with them......go play with your lego or mom's cell phone or something.

[Andro]

Yup! LOL and someone here with no experience in drags racing claiming the 4cyclinder GS can hang with the new SI.


Andro, you're the one should relax, read my post again, i reply to that guy claim hes a Mitsu guy.

sorry man, i was trying to quote someone else but i quoted you.......i was just in hurry i guess :confused:

[radeonboy]

Are you joking when you said you bought a Mustang? I SO LOVE MUSTANGS....

















but ONLY in V8 FORM!!! :D I'm serious.

[jetway1212]

I'd take the Honda Civic Si any day of the week over the Eclipse. I think the Civic is a way better enthusiast car than the Mitsu. You have to factor in also weight. The Mistu is almost 3300lbs compared to the Si which comes in at around 2900 (both manual tranny #).

Factor in a better package from Honda. You get LSD, a great K-Series engine which responds very nicely to mods, and you can get more power in the Si that is equivalent to the S2000 for thousands less.

Edit: I found out the Si SMOKES the GS Eclipse. Eclispe does a 0-60 time of 9.2 seconds according to ConsumerGuide Automotive while the Si does a 0-60 time of around 7.2 seconds.

Now the Eclipse GT does 6.1 seconds compared to the Si, however the thing costs HOW MUCH MORE in this trim????

I'd go with the Si, mod it out, and you'll see 6.1 seconds or better very quickly with that K engine.

EDit 2: MY GOD!! The GT Eclispe costs MSRP $34,000. With the ~$7000 you save from purchasing the Si, HOT DAMN, you can basically rape the Mitsubishi once you are done spending $7000 on mods...You can have a killer Si that can run with the big bad boys. 7K is alot of possibility :D

BUT......I guess it depends on personal preference. Different strokes for different folks. I'd take the Honda Civic Si ANY DAY. :D

I havent rechecked the weight of the SI but i'm sure its hella lighter than 2900lbs. My gf's S is only 2656lbs, the SI cant be that much heavier. I thought it was close to 2800lbs

Anyway, yeah i put that GS (altho i'm not sure if its GT or GS, its the only one to make sense) in DUST. As soon as i gun it ( i was in 2n gear), that GS was far behind seems like i flyby him lol. He looks stunning tho hahaha i bet that low end torque makes him think his car is fast. I know in many cases, torque gives a kick back feel but....

Now the GT has issues with traction so much that its 60' time is TERRIBLE for a car claim to make 250HP at crank. If you race it on street to the end of 3r gear, i bet he cant pull on you. The GT only pulls on high end.

[Shaner]

There are way too many kids on this site.

I don't know how anyone can say a Mustang is slow. 300 hp and 320 lb-ft of torque at a fairly low RPM. Not to mention it's lighter than a lot of other cars on the road which have less power.

As for the Civic SI being quicker than the V6 Mustang. I have my doubts. Perhaps earlier generations that may be true, but the new Mustang is lighter than before, has 210 hp and 240 lb-ft of torque. The torque is going to fire that car off the line before the SI (with a measly 139 lb-ft of torque) can even think of going anywhere. After that, 210 hp is enough to keep the car going at a good pace.

There are far too many ricers on this site who think that the SI is the mother of all cars.

[gilboman]

As for the Civic SI being quicker than the V6 Mustang. I have my doubts. Perhaps earlier generations that may be true, but the new Mustang is lighter than before, has 210 hp and 240 lb-ft of torque. The torque is going to fire that car off the line before the SI (with a measly 139 lb-ft of torque) can even think of going anywhere. After that, 210 hp is enough to keep the car going at a good pace.

There are far too many ricers on this site who think that the SI is the mother of all cars.

no...the new Civic SI will easily pull on a V6 mustang ;) from dead stop and once rolling, its going to be a slaugheter with the civic's hp/weight advantage

but just because its slower than a civic SI doesnt make it a bad car. enjoy the new ride

[dmatthew]

I didn't read all the posts but I read up on one car magazine and it just had this heading for the 2007 Eclipse: "It looks better than it drives"

[Shaner]

no...the new Civic SI will easily pull on a V6 mustang ;) from dead stop and once rolling, its going to be a slaugheter with the civic's hp/weight advantage

but just because its slower than a civic SI doesnt make it a bad car. enjoy the new ride

The average 2006 V6 Mustang has a 1/4 mile time of 14.8
The average 2006 Civic SI has a 1/4 mile time of 15.1

Those times are from Car & Driver.

Now even if you did find a factory freak Civic that ran under 15 and if the Mustang was a factory pig, the Civic still won't pull easily on the Mustang, if at all.

[laptop-tech]

Check out the Autopark dealership in Burlington. I got my Mitsu there and they were open for negotiations.

[Shaner]

Check out the Autopark dealership in Burlington. I got my Mitsu there and they were open for negotiations.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for the future if I ever got a Mitsu.
As of right now, I'm happy with the Mustang I got.

And for the record, it is the V8, not the V6.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Dunno where you are getting the info the the Civic, but Car & Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/9028/ford-mustang-v-6.html) says 15.3 for the V6 Mustang.

[gilboman]

The average 2006 V6 Mustang has a 1/4 mile time of 14.8
The average 2006 Civic SI has a 1/4 mile time of 15.1

Those times are from Car & Driver.

Now even if you did find a factory freak Civic that ran under 15 and if the Mustang was a factory pig, the Civic still won't pull easily on the Mustang, if at all.

0-60 are pretty even with edge to civic 0-60 in 6.7 according to C&D and around 6.9 for the mustang.

the mustang uses its torque from launch to keep up with the civic, but once under way e.g. on the highway, the mustang doesnt have a chance simply due to simple weight/hp advantage of the civic

[Shaner]

Dunno where you are getting the info the the Civic, but Car & Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/9028/ford-mustang-v-6.html) says 15.3 for the V6 Mustang.

That's for the automatic.
We all know there's a big difference between automatic and manual.

[radeonboy]

Let's just say its too damn close to even feel the difference. Come on are you going to know its 0.5 seconds slower? Maybe or maybe not :D

But the Si has the plus sides over the Mustang V6, in my opinion.

Now the V8 Mustang = BEAST. Tim Allen's gesture in Tool Time comes into play... :D :D

Edit: I just checked and the V6 Mustang curb weight is very close to ~3400lbs for the manual tranny version. Compared to the Si curb weight of ~2800lbs, thats a savings of 600lbs of weight.

Looking at the numbers between the V6 Mustang and Civic Si, they are similar, Mustang besting out the Si (7.0s(MSN Auto) vs 7.2s(Edmunds)). They both have comparable 1/4 mile times too (15.52 vs 15.51 - dunno the trap speed).

I dunno the exact prices but Ford says the Mustang "STARTS" at $23,999 while the Si starts at around $27,000 as we figured out in this thread.

Now does the Mustang V6 have LSD? I have no idea. Factor in quality and refinement of interior (Si wins hands down), and other areas, I feel the Honda gets my nod and has a better overall package.

[veryhuman]

As of right now, I'm happy with the Mustang I got.

And for the record, it is the V8, not the V6.


Congrats on the new Mustang! Should post pics!

[Shaner]

Congrats on the new Mustang! Should post pics!

I will when I get the car.
It should be arriving at the dealership on Monday or Tuesday.

[Andro]

I dunno the exact prices but Ford says the Mustang "STARTS" at $23,999 while the Si starts at around $27,000 as we figured out in this thread.



SI starts at 26,000$ but comes stock with sunroof and rear spoiler.

[feet_]

E-BENCH RACING FTW!!!!!!!!!!

I just wasted 4min reading a bunch of CRAP!
leave the bench racing on the ricer/redneck forums

who knows how many Civic/vs / mustang/XXX car
threads there are.
and OP esp doesnt even care!

[cwb27]

I will when I get the car.
It should be arriving at the dealership on Monday or Tuesday.

Get it from Braden, Edwards or Revell?

[Shaner]

Get it from Braden, Edwards or Revell?

Edwards. They offered the lowest price.

[Shaner]

E-BENCH RACING FTW!!!!!!!!!!

I just wasted 4min reading a bunch of CRAP!
leave the bench racing on the ricer/redneck forums

who knows how many Civic/vs / mustang/XXX car
threads there are.
and OP esp doesnt even care!

Thank you!
It's kind of funny, I mention I bought a Mustang, and the next 15 posts are about a Civic SI.

[airodus]

Gratz on the stang! That is one of my favorite cars. Civic Si has nothing on the stang (cept maybe fuel economy). But noone buys these types of cars to save gas.

HP
Torque
RWD
slide around the corners
donuts
cool exterior
classic interior

The mustang has the Civic beat (and Eclipse too).

[rice_ball]

Civic SI is totally a junk compare with Eclipse...from both design and performance! I will choose Mitsubishi in any time. Honda and toyota are for old asian ladys, reliable but slow and no styles at all...:lol:

[dasaylay]

Civic SI is totally a junk compare with Eclipse...from both design and performance! I will choose Mitsubishi in any time. Honda and toyota are for old asian ladys, reliable but slow and no styles at all...:lol:

You probably own a Honda/Toyota yourself, judging by your username...

[radeonboy]

Civic SI is totally a junk compare with Eclipse...from both design and performance! I will choose Mitsubishi in any time. Honda and toyota are for old asian ladys, reliable but slow and no styles at all...:lol:

Wow thats a pretty sad statement. I CANNOT believe you actually think that.

Now you are making that same statement against the Lancer, then Lancer wins hands down.

But saying an Eclipse is wayy better than the Si in performance, thats comparing apples to oranges because which models are you reffering too...LOL.

The base model Eclipse is the same price as the Si, but is SLOW AS A TURTLE. Si wins hands down.

The top model Eclipse which is like $10,000 more (i forgot the exact #) makes more power and is only a few seconds quicker than the SI because its so damn FAT AND HEAVY.

Spend 30K on an SI, and use the $ that you save from buying the overly expensive Eclipse top model, modify it, and the SI RAPES THE ECLIPSE for the same price.

:cheesygri

[sshe11]

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for the future if I ever got a Mitsu.
As of right now, I'm happy with the Mustang I got.

And for the record, it is the V8, not the V6.

oh wow you got the new V8 mustang, nice car :) ... but you wont enjoy it in the winters though ;) ..

oops just realised this thread in 2 months old .. where are the mustang pics ?

[Ripper]

Doesn't matter now.
I went out and bought a Mustang today.
Now I don't want to hear any more people saying my choice of car is slow. lol


Congrats! Good choise, now have fun and forget about those Civics.:cool:

[sshe11]

Civics is for high school boys ... V8 mustangs are for real men !! :lol: :lol:

** waiting to be bashed by ricer nation **

[hacman]

Wow thats a pretty sad statement. I CANNOT believe you actually think that.

Now you are making that same statement against the Lancer, then Lancer wins hands down.

But saying an Eclipse is wayy better than the Si in performance, thats comparing apples to oranges because which models are you reffering too...LOL.

The base model Eclipse is the same price as the Si, but is SLOW AS A TURTLE. Si wins hands down.

The top model Eclipse which is like $10,000 more (i forgot the exact #) makes more power and is only a few seconds quicker than the SI because its so damn FAT AND HEAVY.

Spend 30K on an SI, and use the $ that you save from buying the overly expensive Eclipse top model, modify it, and the SI RAPES THE ECLIPSE for the same price.

:cheesygri

Ok I really dont wanna come off here as slamming you as its not my intentions(and this isnt only for you its for all those people who takl without actually ever driving both vehicles). But dont believe those stupid posted numbers for the v6 eclipse as gospel(they/magazines/mitsu themselves always underate mitsu's). They are so far off, and please dont ever tell me a si is even in the same range of speed as a v6 eclipse. I know I own a v6 and I have smoked so many wannabe si racers(modded heavily, and not modded) now its not even funny and not even close. The real 0-60 on an eclipse stock is more like 5.1 and its been tried tested and documented by more then one person with slips. The fastest 1/4 mile on stock tires and stock everything else so far has been in the 13's (hi 13.9 but whatever). So you can go all you want and spend money your not gonna smoke the eclipse either way. As far as the fat and heavy comment well no worries about its weight at all it helps to keep it down and the torque is there to compensate for it. Again I actually own the car so I can speak from some knowledge. I also wouldnt go around just sayin a si would rape a gs cause it just aint true aswell. Now it is true the race I have been in on with a gs and an si the si did eventually win out, but barely meaqning it didnt just blow the doors off. That doesnt say much for honda power. Not to mention you brought up price but if your crafty you can prolly get a base gt for around 30,000k aswell. Either way Ill spend my $3500 more for the new supercharger coming out for the v6(and look alot better at the same time), which is a stage 0 kit meaning it doesnt have any internals whatsoever swapped out running all same lines and only a 2 psi boost at 360whp(yeah u read correctly 360whp off of only 2psi now imagine when the psi is tested and upped to like 7) . Mitsu's engines are built to be played with and strong as hell. Dont let anyone else tell you differently. I think the gain from 230whp to 360whp on only 2psi and completley safe speaks to that, and its ability to be worked. I mean if you look at it and this has been done to a gt eclipse will smoke a normal mustang and will hold its on in everyway with a gt version of the newer style. I wouldnt even consider spending 30,000 for a car that looks like a doorstop or a wedge of some sort lol(that being any civic). Again these are just my opinions but the parts about the racing and the times are complete fact.




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[xtcnrice]

Wow thats a pretty sad statement. I CANNOT believe you actually think that.

Now you are making that same statement against the Lancer, then Lancer wins hands down.

But saying an Eclipse is wayy better than the Si in performance, thats comparing apples to oranges because which models are you reffering too...LOL.

The base model Eclipse is the same price as the Si, but is SLOW AS A TURTLE. Si wins hands down.

The top model Eclipse which is like $10,000 more (i forgot the exact #) makes more power and is only a few seconds quicker than the SI because its so damn FAT AND HEAVY.

Spend 30K on an SI, and use the $ that you save from buying the overly expensive Eclipse top model, modify it, and the SI RAPES THE ECLIPSE for the same price.

:cheesygri

damn straight :arrowu:

[hacman]

damn straight which part of what he said was even remotley correct lol. Not to mention the 30,000 you spend on an si is around the same price you can pay for a base model gt with no frills. And in that case the eclipse beats it in looks performance warranty and oh I dont know what else. Oh thats right it dont beat it in gas mileage(thats about it) but when you dealing with a bigger engine does it even matter :) anyway I can see by your av which side you will fall on this topic even when faced with real facts and reality. Its not a bad thing everyone has their allegence to some brand.



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[C&H]

My GF just bought an eclipse GS 5sp. My initial impression as well as my lasting impression so far are...i dont like it. One Bit. All I have to say is make sure you look at all other options. I mean the gas door is made of plastic....even my bros old ford fiesta POS has a metal gas door and the barking brake can barely take the weight on an incline/decline. Im not a fan of honda in anyway either but being in the Civic id put my money on a new SI for sure....GF is just unreasonable....

[JackyGor]

Ok I really dont wanna come off here as slamming you as its not my intentions(and this isnt only for you its for all those people who takl without actually ever driving both vehicles). But dont believe those stupid posted numbers for the v6 eclipse as gospel(they/magazines/mitsu themselves always underate mitsu's). They are so far off, and please dont ever tell me a si is even in the same range of speed as a v6 eclipse. I know I own a v6 and I have smoked so many wannabe si racers(modded heavily, and not modded) now its not even funny and not even close. The real 0-60 on an eclipse stock is more like 5.1 and its been tried tested and documented by more then one person with slips. The fastest 1/4 mile on stock tires and stock everything else so far has been in the 13's (hi 13.9 but whatever). So you can go all you want and spend money your not gonna smoke the eclipse either way. As far as the fat and heavy comment well no worries about its weight at all it helps to keep it down and the torque is there to compensate for it. Again I actually own the car so I can speak from some knowledge. I also wouldnt go around just sayin a si would rape a gs cause it just aint true aswell. Now it is true the race I have been in on with a gs and an si the si did eventually win out, but barely meaqning it didnt just blow the doors off. That doesnt say much for honda power. Not to mention you brought up price but if your crafty you can prolly get a base gt for around 30,000k aswell. Either way Ill spend my $3500 more for the new supercharger coming out for the v6(and look alot better at the same time), which is a stage 0 kit meaning it doesnt have any internals whatsoever swapped out running all same lines and only a 2 psi boost at 360whp(yeah u read correctly 360whp off of only 2psi now imagine when the psi is tested and upped to like 7) . Mitsu's engines are built to be played with and strong as hell. Dont let anyone else tell you differently. I think the gain from 230whp to 360whp on only 2psi and completley safe speaks to that, and its ability to be worked. I mean if you look at it and this has been done to a gt eclipse will smoke a normal mustang and will hold its on in everyway with a gt version of the newer style. I wouldnt even consider spending 30,000 for a car that looks like a doorstop or a wedge of some sort lol(that being any civic). Again these are just my opinions but the parts about the racing and the times are complete fact.




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So you are saying that the GT can smoke a 350z or a G35? Wow, 5.1 second from 0-60 mph, the GT can even hang with a M3!? Sorry man, I m pretty god damn sure you have got your numbers wrong, even if YOU DO own one, the numbers seems to be too far fetched. With the heavy weight and bad gearing ratio I dont think it can go that fast, mind you, a car running in low 5s for 40 grand? Why isnt everyone over this sh*t? Anyways, please post up a 1/4 mile slip of a V6 Eclipse. If your facts correlates with the 1/4 mile slip, I will believe you, but before that, I have a hard time believing how fast the V6 is, however, I do not doubt the V6's modding potentials.

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Oh ya, one more thing, the GT eclipse advertised by Mitsu says it goes from 0-60 mph in 5.9 seconds (correct me if i am wrong), and yet you claim they "actually" run 5.1 seconds? Why? Why would a car company do that? The only company, in my knowledge, that does this is BMW with the new 335i coupe. They says on the site that it goes from 0-60 mph in 5.6 seconds, but when car magazine tested it it can actually do 4.8 seconds. And the only reason they are underrating the 335i is because they don't want it to compete with their current generation of M3.

[hacman]

Well You know what I wasnt here to debate or get into an argument, so ill just stop posting on this topic all together. I will say this though there are slips posted of some nice times if you really want to see em at club4geclipse Now I dont need to lie or make up any numbers or even how close things would actually be. You talk about the weight like it really is a bad thing. Have you even driven the car. And you say the gear ratio sucks on a gt hahahahahah think again it is actually very well geared for the mivec engine and its power curve(if you even know what that is). Also so you know the g35 aint that fast at all and yes has been beat. The 350z on the other hand is a great match for the eclipse v6 of course until you start modding the mitsu engine. Then it is really no contest. Oh and just so you know car companies and reviewers underate all the time. Just by the dyno numbers of actual whp and the trap times the eclipse is faster then they say. I mean drivetrain etc can loose anywhere from 15-20% in hp terms. SO by that account mitsu says that the car is 263hp. Now we will take an average and say that is will loose about 18% to the wheels which would leave it at actually 215whp. Well I have dyno'd aswell as other at actually around 235whp which would mean they underated it by 20whp or about 15hp percentage wise. This alone would account for some of the times and traps being off of manufacturesrs specifications. Either way if you want to see some of the times etc look, I really didnt want to turn this into a ricer war at all. Please though dont ever compare a civic si to an eclipse gt you just look foolish. ANd I dont get what everyone misses here an si goes for around 30k and for around the same you can have a bare minimun base gt that looks better and will blow the doors off that little doorstop. And I sure hope you are talking about a new m3 when you speak cause the m3 of earlier years has easily been beaten aswell. And if you ar talkin about a newer m3 I dont think you can even put the 2 in the same calss anyway. But alas I am sorry for my little rant here as this is not a racing forum and I really was just defending some seriously dumb misconceptions people are having about the new eclipse. I really am done on this subject as it seems to hit a nerve with people who just seem to hate mitsu for some reason.



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