How often do you stop before the line?

[Tijuana]

how do I make a poll?

Anyways, how often do you actually stop before the line, me maybe about 10% or if I see a cop or suspicious looking car, but most of teh time the line gets to around me

[JAGpilot]

I do rolling stops... everyone does them.

[qviri]

Most of stop signs in this country really need to be replaced with yield signs.

[B0000rt]

Most of the time, if I'm in no rush, then I'll do a full stop.

[Tijuana]

ya, rolling stops seem to work the best

[ES_Revenge]

Most of stop signs in this country really need to be replaced with yield signs.

Uh what about 4-way or multi-way stops? Those can't be replaced with yield signs...

As for me I stop 100% of the time. One to two seconds of your time is well worth saving yourself from a ticket that's like nearly $200 IIRC, and 3 demerit points in ON. It's not like you are getting delayed at all, it just takes a second or two more than not stopping. STOP means stop, that's about all I have to say about that.

[ichpen]

Why replace with yield signs? ROUNDABOUTS damnit.... The whole world has them....

[qviri]

ES_Revenge, I did say "most", not all.

ichpen, true... but you can't put a roundabout everywhere, it's not practical.

Anyway, most of driving I do these days is when I come home from school. This is driving mostly through middle of nowhere in my parents' van. I agree that it's good to stop and take a good look if you're on a city intersection with no visibility, although a lot of city stop signs could still be replaced with no considerable damage. However, when I'm coming up to a stop sign on a road in the middle of nowhere, where I'm driving straight through, the time is 2 pm, the visibility is perfect, I can see there is no car on the horizon let alone near the intersection, I'll be damned if I make a full stop. That's not to say I'll blow straight through, but there's still a lot of inertial energy to be lost between 10 km/h and rest, especially taking the van's rather anemic acceleration into account.

In the end, so many stop signs desensitise the population. When you have a big red stop sign on every damn corner, you're not going to take the one placed where you really do need to make a full stop as seriously.

[shabby]

ya, rolling stops seem to work the best

Not if theres a cop hiding nearby...

[Azxster]

I stop at the line. Rolling stops are stupid and I wish the cops enforce it more.

[gman]

Full stop every single time. Yes, this is one major thing that I want more cop to give out tickets. Traps or not. 2am in the middle of the no where or not.

[qviri]

Full stop every single time. Yes, this is one major thing that I want more cop to give out tickets. Traps or not. 2am in the middle of the no where or not.

May I ask who, in your opinion, benefits from a full stop in the middle of nowhere, not necessarily at 2 am?

[gman]

May I ask who, in your opinion, benefits from a full stop in the middle of nowhere, not necessarily at 2 am?

It is about the habbit. People get them killed when they forget to check when they really should. When you get used to doing that, one day, you just miss to check one spot that makes the difference.

[qviri]

It is about the habbit. People get them killed when they forget to check when they really should. When you get used to doing that, one day, you just miss to check one spot that makes the difference.

Which ties perfectly into my point of only putting stop signs in spots that really do make a difference, instead of the corner of every residential street.

[PennyArcade]

Why replace with yield signs? ROUNDABOUTS damnit.... The whole world has them....

I endorse this post.

Roudabouts are not that hard to navigate through. It is also the solution to the 4 way yield intersection that qviri said :)

[gman]

Which ties perfectly into my point of only putting stop signs in spots that really do make a difference, instead of the corner of every residential street.

Are you saying a stop sign in the middle of the nowhere (assuming there is an intersaction) does not make the difference?

When there is an intersaction, there must be a stop sign or light. What are you suggesting to replace that?

[qviri]

When there is an intersaction, there must be a stop sign or light. What are you suggesting to replace that?

Yield signs seem to do the trick in Europe.

[gman]

Yield signs seem to do the trick in Europe.
Yield sign in Toronto means non-stop.

[qviri]

Nominally, a yield sign means non-stop unless you need to, though you do have to slow down if visibility is not optimal.

Are you suggesting that replacing a silly pointless sign that "needs" to be enforced with a sign that makes more sense but might need enforcing while the drivers get used to the idea is a bad thing?

[gman]

Nominally, a yield sign means non-stop unless you need to, though you do have to slow down if visibility is not optimal.

Are you suggesting that replacing a silly pointless sign that "needs" to be enforced with a sign that makes more sense but might need enforcing while the drivers get used to the idea is a bad thing?

I know what yield sign means. I said in Toronto, when a driver see a yield sign, he just drive through.

I don't consider those stop sign are silly pointless sign. It is the people who are silly and think they are smarter. I have absolutely no problem with the stop sign.

My problem is people re-define the stop sign as a yield in practice as wish. Hence, rolling stop. How many times in a day, some jerk rolling out without enough time to evaluate the speed I am coming? When they finally noticed my speed, they already committed. Hence, well, I need to hit the brake.

If they are replaced by the yield sign, they will not yield and just run through it.

[qviri]

I guess we'll have to disagree then.

[chriswalsh]

I know what yield sign means. I said in Toronto, when a driver see a yield sign, he just drive through.

But that is because of what the driver has become accustomed to.

In Canada, the speed limits are generally artificially low, and very much ignored. They can be seen as 'safe' speeds in bad conditions.

If you go over to England (national speed limit 70), and drive through Cornwall, you will find there are places where its NOT SAFE to travel at the limit (windy roads, slow tractors, etc).

So, in Canada, a speed limit of 80kmh generally means you can safely travel 110kmh. In England, a speed limit of 70mph doesnt really mean anything, and drivers ARE FORCED TO USE COMMON SENSE when driving.

Replacing stop signs with yields and roundabouts here would cause the same type of driving adjustment.

[FastFokker]

I don't believe in lines... well except when a cop's watching me. :razz:

[Narci]

90% of the time I do.

One of the biggest things i hate is when I have a red at an intersection and it just turns green, people who make right turns when it's red on thier side trying to beat the traffic without stopping.

[djhustla]

Why replace with yield signs? ROUNDABOUTS damnit.... The whole world has them....

There are already a few of them in Waterloo.

[Audiogenic]

The last time it wasn't a rolling stop was the drivers test many moons ago.

[PurpleTiger]

I endorse this post.
Roudabouts are not that hard to navigate through. It is also the solution to the 4 way yield intersection that qviri said :)
They are putting roundabouts in Vancouver...and OMG, noone knows how to navigate them. You need to turn left, well, I've seen so many drivers turn left into a roundabout to go left. Also, people don't yield to the car that's already in the roundabout...or even better, cars that are in a roundabout stop to let in cars from the right. Crazy ****!
I love roundabouts, we're just not ready for them here in Canada, where there is no driver training for them. They work wonders in other parts of the world where they have 2, 3, or many laned roundabouts.