Student pay cash at milestones/bluestone bistro

[Computer500]

Hi,

I am planning to eat lunch at Milestones or Bluestone Bistro someday next week.
I'm a student and dont use credit card or anything when buying stuff.

Does restaurants like Milestones/Bluestone Bistro accept cash?
and
How much tips should i give? $5? (since i'm a student) & planning to eat lunch with only 1 of my friends there.


Thanks

[keanefan]

Does restaurants like Milestones/Bluestone Bistro accept cash? and
How much tips should i give? $5? (since i'm a student) & planning to eat lunch with only 1 of my friends there.
Thanks

of course, everybody likes cash.

tip= 10% - 15% of your bill before tax.

(apparently, 15% is the expected tip)

here is a Bluestone review:
http://www.xanga.com/moocow422/464664210/bluestone-bistro-review.html

:arrowu:

[greenapples]

Milestone is not a very expensive restaurant. It's a casual place but a little bit more pricey than something like Kelsey's or Casey's. I would say anything under the casual menu and a drink ... for two people ... it would be around 40-50. Tip should be based on how the server serves you. 10% if the service wasn't all that great or 15% or more if you think the server deserves it. Tip should be based on the total before tax.

[keanefan]

Milestone menu:
http://www.milestonesrestaurants.com

Avoid Casey's.

[dasaylay]

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Avoid Casey's.

Really? I always liked Casey's far more than Kelsey's. Kelsey's gave me a sad piece of shoe leather as their steak. Casey's however I found the food a lot more tasty, but I still stay away from steak at non-steak house restaurants.

[charger]

Cash is prefered at all places of business. Much lower costs associated with it.

Also, get a credit card, and put a few bucks on it a month. Building a credit history is really important.

[Rogersguy]

You can tip anywhere from $0 to anything you like. There's no set amount and don't let people here convince you that you must tip at least 10%. You don't need to tip just to ensure good service/food, that's part of the price of going to a restaurant. Only tip if the server went above and beyond what their job is (which is bring you the food and utensils).

[Rogersguy]

Milestone is not a very expensive restaurant. It's a casual place but a little bit more pricey than something like Kelsey's or Casey's. I would say anything under the casual menu and a drink ... for two people ... it would be around 40-50. Tip should be based on how the server serves you. 10% if the service wasn't all that great or 15% or more if you think the server deserves it. Tip should be based on the total before tax.Enlighten me, if service isn't all that great, why is he/she entitled to a 10% tip? Not making any sense to me.

[h2o-]

not trying to start anything but could someone tell me if there is restaurant that DOES NOT accept cash? If so, which?

[duckdown]

I think Casey's is pretty decent, don't know why whoever above said that.. I don't usually get a Steak or anything like that there, but their buffalo chicken strips sandwich is amazing..

Not really a fan of the Milestones @ Heartland Town Center in Mississauga

[i-o_o-i]

lol what restaurant wouldn't accept cash?

[tt_boy]

Hi,

I am planning to eat lunch at Milestones or Bluestone Bistro someday next week.
I'm a student and dont use credit card or anything when buying stuff.

Does restaurants like Milestones/Bluestone Bistro accept cash?
and
How much tips should i give? $5? (since i'm a student) & planning to eat lunch with only 1 of my friends there.


Thanks

no they dont accept cash..... only gold coins

Tip is 15%

[jayisthebest88]

is this your first time at a restaurant? Why would they not accept cash?

[duckdown]

Yeah, I see those "Cash not accepted" type restaurants all the time

[Rogersguy]

no they dont accept cash..... only gold coins

Tip is 15%
Tip is 15% saids who? That's BS.

[gilboman]

Tip is 15% saids who? That's BS.

society..says the people who say you dont pick your nose and flick it in public or what not. :lol:

[Ma_Jie]

You can tip less than 15% but don't plan on going back...

- MJ

[Rogersguy]

You can tip less than 15% but don't plan on going back...

- MJKeep on coming with the BS. So now I have to pay just to ensure my food is clean and someone to serve me the food? Move to places like Japan where waiters are offended by tipping.

What a bunch of donkeys...

[Initial_C]

uh... tipping 10-15% in CANADA is the societal norm unless they were REALLY awful.

this is redflagdeals.com - CANADA'S largest bargain hunting community.
obviously, we aren't talking about tipping in Japan.

[mingming]

Hi,

I am planning to eat lunch at Milestones or Bluestone Bistro someday next week.
I'm a student and dont use credit card or anything when buying stuff.

Does restaurants like Milestones/Bluestone Bistro accept cash?
and
How much tips should i give? $5? (since i'm a student) & planning to eat lunch with only 1 of my friends there.


Thanks

How old are you?

Dont you ever watch what your parents do when they take you out to a restaurant???

[Rogersguy]

uh... tipping 10-15% in CANADA is the societal norm unless they were REALLY awful.

this is redflagdeals.com - CANADA'S largest bargain hunting community.
obviously, we aren't talking about tipping in Japan.Canada or not, you're not required to tip, don't make it sound like it's mandatory dummy.

[xenyz]

It's not mandatory, but it is expected. Servers/waitresses make less than minimum wage and make up the difference in tips. It's just the way it is here.

[Rogersguy]

It's not mandatory, but it is expected. Servers/waitresses make less than minimum wage and make up the difference in tips. It's just the way it is here.Wtf you mean it's expected? E-X-C-U-S-E me... anyone force them to take that job? Is it my problem that they're making a low wage? Why do I have to subsidize them? What about janitors who are making low wage, anyone tip them when they finish taking a big dump and leave a mess behind.

What a pathetic comment.

[xenyz]

Wtf you mean it's expected? E-X-C-U-S-E me... anyone force them to take that job? Is it my problem that they're making a low wage? Why do I have to subsidize them? What about janitors who are making low wage, anyone tip them when they finish taking a big dump and leave a mess behind.

What a pathetic comment.

Are you saying it's not expected? What kind of restaurants do you go to? Ever pay with a credit card? There is always an expectation of a tip when you get table service in a restaurant in Canada.

I look at your comment and it seems even more absurd. Did anyone force the janitor to take their job? At least if they choose to become wait staff they can expect a little more. A janitor doesn't have the expectation of tips; wait staff do.

[Rogersguy]

Are you saying it's not expected? What kind of restaurants do you go to? Ever pay with a credit card? There is always an expectation of a tip when you get table service in a restaurant in Canada.

I look at your comment and it seems even more absurd. Did anyone force the janitor to take their job? At least if they choose to become wait staff they can expect a little more. A janitor doesn't have the expectation of tips; wait staff do.Key word is THEY expect a tip but I am not expected to tip them unless I feel like it for whatever reason. When I use a credit card, is there a clause that tells me I must tip otherwise my transaction is voided? How is paying with CC different from cash if I don't want to tip? You always say expectation, that's their expectation, not mine. If the waiter is doing a good job, the boss should tip them to encourage them to keep it out. To suggest otherwise is stupid IMO.

You might want to learn some more about life before posting, kid.

[cy]

Are you saying it's not expected? What kind of restaurants do you go to? Ever pay with a credit card? There is always an expectation of a tip when you get table service in a restaurant in Canada.

I look at your comment and it seems even more absurd. Did anyone force the janitor to take their job? At least if they choose to become wait staff they can expect a little more. A janitor doesn't have the expectation of tips; wait staff do.

I don't see why they should EXPECT tip? They know the wage before they start their job. yes they rely on tip, then WORK HARDER, give above and beyond service.

Again, the question is, Mcdonalds staff makes mininum, do they get tip? I don't think so.

Please educate me. This "norm" is just plain stupid, even tho i do pay tips out of courtasy

[cy]

It's not mandatory, but it is expected. Servers/waitresses make less than minimum wage and make up the difference in tips. It's just the way it is here.

Anywhere saids in the labour law? So all the mininum wage staff gets tips?

Or are you saying they are getting paid UNDER the mininum and expect the tips to bring them above the mininum? Then the employee should worry about it not us.

[cy]

uh... tipping 10-15% in CANADA is the societal norm unless they were REALLY awful.

this is redflagdeals.com - CANADA'S largest bargain hunting community.
obviously, we aren't talking about tipping in Japan.

mr. Initial C, I assume you got your name from the anime Initial D. Knowing how to watch Jap Anime doesn't mean you know their culture.

FYI, people in Japan tip more than us..this is only for your info if you've never visit them before you make the assumption. Yes, fyi as well, i went there for 6+ times over the past few years.

[xenyz]

Key word is THEY expect a tip but I am not expected to tip them unless I feel like it for whatever reason. When I use a credit card, is there a clause that tells me I must tip otherwise my transaction is voided? How is paying with CC different from cash if I don't want to tip? You always say expectation, that's their expectation, not mine. If the waiter is doing a good job, the boss should tip them to encourage them to keep it out. To suggest otherwise is stupid IMO.

You might want to learn some more about life before posting, kid.

I'm actually not a kid, i'm in my late twenties and it seems a lot more mature than you.

I've also actually worked in the restaurant industry for three years about a decade ago and my good friend is a chef of the best restaurant around here. Another good friend is a waitress at an Ice Sports arena.

It seems you aren't educated about the whole service industry thing, and probably look the fool to your server when you leave 3 $20's for a $58 bill.

Again, to clarify, there is an expectation for you to leave tips when you get table service at a restaurant! It's not up to your opinion, it's the established way of restaurant business in North America.

[Rogersguy]

I'm actually not a kid, i'm in my late twenties and it seems a lot more mature than you.

I've also actually worked in the restaurant industry for three years about a decade ago and my good friend is a chef of the best restaurant around here. Another good friend is a waitress at an Ice Sports arena.

It seems you aren't educated about the whole service industry thing, and probably look the fool to your server when you leave 3 $20's for a $58 bill.

Again, to clarify, there is an expectation for you to leave tips when you get table service at a restaurant! It's not up to your opinion, it's the established way of restaurant business in North America.
And looks who is thinking like a kid!! What does it mean to FOOL a server to leave 3 x $20 for $58? I paid for the meal and I will sit there and wait for the change since they owe me $2 in this case.

You're such an idiot, you make it sounds like if I don't leave a tip, they will not let me leave. Next time your mom cooks you dinner, remember to leave her a tip, not a kiss. Just because you worked in the restaurant industry, it doesn't mean you're not a doorknob.

[xenyz]

I don't see why they should EXPECT tip? They know the wage before they start their job. yes they rely on tip, then WORK HARDER, give above and beyond service.

Again, the question is, Mcdonalds staff makes mininum, do they get tip? I don't think so.

Please educate me. This "norm" is just plain stupid, even tho i do pay tips out of courtasy

The crucial difference between a person working at a fast food place like McDonalds and a waiter/waitress working at a restaurant is the service you receive. If you sit down at a table and someone brings you a menu, drinks, apps, entree, dessert, and finally your bill, you tip. If you go up to a cafeteria style counter and order your food, or get take-out there is no service to tip for.

[Initial_C]

Canada or not, you're not required to tip, don't make it sound like it's mandatory dummy.

i didn't say it was mandatory. I said it was a societal norm. and why are you being rude to everyone in the forum for no apparent reason.

mr. Initial C, I assume you got your name from the anime Initial D. Knowing how to watch Jap Anime doesn't mean you know their culture.

FYI, people in Japan tip more than us..this is only for your info if you've never visit them before you make the assumption. Yes, fyi as well, i went there for 6+ times over the past few years.

it's not mr, it's miss. and although I do watch anime and know of Initial D, it's not the reason of my name. It's cause my first name begins with the initial C. and I never claimed I knew about the culture. Rogersguy made the comment that in Japan people would be offended about tipping. I did not say whether this was true or not, I merely stated this forum is pertaining to customs and norms in Canada. Not Japan. Hence his comment doesn't really apply.

[Rogersguy]

The crucial difference between a person working at a fast food place like McDonalds and a waiter/waitress working at a restaurant is the service you receive. If you sit down at a table and someone brings you a menu, drinks, apps, entree, dessert, and finally your bill, you tip. If you go up to a cafeteria style counter and order your food, or get take-out there is no service to tip for.
Hmm, bring me menu, food, entree and so on, isn't that their job and they already get paid for it? Your mom cooks you dinner, I bet you've never paid her in your life.

[NiftyScent]

And looks who is thinking like a kid!! What does it mean to FOOL a server to leave 3 x $20 for $58? I paid for the meal and I will sit there and wait for the change since they owe me $2 in this case.

You're such an idiot, you make it sounds like if I don't leave a tip, they will not let me leave. Next time your mom cooks you dinner, remember to leave her a tip, not a kiss. Just because you worked in the restaurant industry, it doesn't mean you're not a doorknob.
Tipping varies from culture to culture, country to country. In Canada, it's just how it is, people tip for restaurant service.

[xenyz]

And looks who is thinking like a kid!! What does it mean to FOOL a server to leave 3 x $20 for $58? I paid for the meal and I will sit there and wait for the change since they owe me $2 in this case.

You're such an idiot, you make it sounds like if I don't leave a tip, they will not let me leave. Next time your mom cooks you dinner, remember to leave her a tip, not a kiss. Just because you worked in the restaurant industry, it doesn't mean you're not a doorknob.

Do you ever go out to eat with other people? Aren't they embarrassed of you when it comes time to pay the tab and you want change for your almost-non-existent tip? I was trying to make the point that you would feel comfortable leaving a $2 tip on a $58 tab but it seems like I overestimated you!

If you want a longer explanation about this, I recommend seeing the first 10 minutes of the movie Reservoir Dogs. You remind me of the Steve Buscemi character to a T.

BTW, I'm 27. How old are you? I'm very curious to find out how old someone is who is calling me a kid on RFD forums.

[Rogersguy]

i didn't say it was mandatory. I said it was a societal norm. and why are you being rude to everyone in the forum for no apparent reason.I don't see him as being rude (and I don't even know who this cy person is). It's just a bunch of donkeys like you guys have their heads so far up their @ss that they think tipping is mandatory otherwise comments like 'tips are expected..' 'if you don't tip, don't go back to the same restaurant'. Absolutely pathetic.

[Rogersguy]

Do you ever go out to eat with other people? Aren't they embarrassed of you when it comes time to pay the tab and you want change for your almost-non-existent tip? I was trying to make the point that you would feel comfortable leaving a $2 tip on a $58 tab but it seems like I overestimated you!

If you want a longer explanation about this, I recommend seeing the first 10 minutes of the movie Reservoir Dogs. You remind me of the Steve Buscemi character to a T.

BTW, I'm 27. How old are you? I'm very curious to find out how old someone is who is calling me a kid on RFD forums.
Not embarassed at all. Most of my friends are in agreement with me and if we eat and the bill comes to $78, we pay $78 if the waiter did not provide any service above and beyond their job duties. What's so hard to understand about that? The price list (menu) states that my food is $78 then I pay $78, if they feel their waiters are underpaid, add a 10% service charge on and make it clear on the door so one can see it before they enter. Next time you get a speeding ticket, remember to tip the cop because he took extra time to write you a ticket. Grow up doorknob.

I am in my late 40s and have been tipping like this all my life. My life experience is way beyond you kiddo donkey.

[NiftyScent]

BTW, I'm 27. How old are you? I'm very curious to find out how old someone is who is calling me a kid on RFD forums.
Owned. No such good awnser for that one.

[Initial_C]

Anywhere saids in the labour law? So all the mininum wage staff gets tips?

Or are you saying they are getting paid UNDER the mininum and expect the tips to bring them above the mininum? Then the employee should worry about it not us.

actually, minimum wage varies for all provinces. I'm not sure about other provinces... but in regards to Ontario...

not all minimum wage gets tips. but there are different minimum wages for different jobs. the minimum wage right now is $7.75. However, if you are waitstaff, minimum wage is $6.50 because it is assumed they will get tips which will boost their income. and yes, this is in the labour laws. You can read it here at their website if you wish. (http://bsa.cbsc.org/gol/bsa/site.nsf/en/su07098.html#a3)

[Rogersguy]

Owned. No such good awnser for that one.Easy to satisfy your life when such stupid simple answer is 'owned'. I am in my late 40s and he is 27... i am generous calling him a kid instead of a whining baby.

[Initial_C]

I don't see him as being rude (and I don't even know who this cy person is). It's just a bunch of donkeys like you guys have their heads so far up their @ss that they think tipping is mandatory otherwise comments like 'tips are expected..' 'if you don't tip, don't go back to the same restaurant'. Absolutely pathetic.

no. I'm not talking about Cy. I'm talking about you. Why are you calling people pathetic and donkeys? It's kinda rude. If you're angered, please calm down. We can all debate about this as rational adults right? :)

tipping is of course not mandatory. it's just a practice in Canada. no one is forced to do it of course as there are no laws saying you have to. it is a norm though that Canadians do practice.

[Rogersguy]

actually, minimum wage varies for all provinces. I'm not sure about other provinces... but in regards to Ontario...

not all minimum wage gets tips. but there are different minimum wages for different jobs. the minimum wage right now is $7.75. However, if you are waitstaff, minimum wage is $6.50 because it is assumed they will get tips which will boost their income. and yes, this is in the labour laws. You can read it here at their website if you wish. (http://bsa.cbsc.org/gol/bsa/site.nsf/en/su07098.html#a3)Boo hoo, $1 below minimum wage which they can make back from one table in an 8 hrs shift. Again, it's my problem they are making $6.50 an hour? How is it my problem? Just how so? If you lose your job, anyone on the street throw you money because you're now making the truly minimum wage of $0 after getting laid off? More donkeys.

[Ma_Jie]

Waiters actually get $6.80...but the notion of not tipping is insane — period.

- Jie

[Rogersguy]

no. I'm not talking about Cy. I'm talking about you. Why are you calling people pathetic and donkeys? It's kinda rude. If you're angered, please calm down. We can all debate about this as rational adults right? :)

tipping is of course not mandatory. it's just a practice in Canada. no one is forced to do it of course as there are no laws saying you have to. it is a norm though that Canadians do practice.
It's one thing to debate but when people come here and say there is an expectation to tip, then I have a problem with that and they refused to be convinced otherwise. So yes, those are the pathetic donkeys.

[Rogersguy]

Waiters actually get $6.80...but the notion of not tipping is insane — period.

- Jie
The notion that tipping is expected is insane - period.

A waiter making $6.80. Let's assume $3 tip per table, 5 tables an hour = $15 extra an hour + $6.80 = $23.8/hr... not so minimum anymore. Needless to say, some choose to not declare tips as an income as well.

[Initial_C]

Boo hoo, $1 below minimum wage which they can make back from one table in an 8 hrs shift. Again, it's my problem they are making $6.50 an hour? How is it my problem? Just how so? If you lose your job, anyone on the street throw you money because you're now making the truly minimum wage of $0 after getting laid off? More donkeys.

I didn't say it was your problem did I? Cy asked for labour laws and I was telling him about it as I currently found out only a few days ago myself. and you're right, that's the reason why waitstaff minimum wage is below general minimum wage. because tipping often occurs. which would boost their income. and then they make closer to $10-$12 an hour easily.

[xenyz]

Easy to satisfy your life when such stupid simple answer is 'owned'. I am in my late 40s and he is 27... i am generous calling him a kid instead of a whining baby.

Of all the 'doorknobs' 'idiots' and other b.s you're throwing around, trust me when I say your behavior is way out of the norm and you are looked upon as a cheap bastard by every server you have met since you started this practice. It may not actually mean anything to you, but just to be aware of this elimates some of your ignorance.

Just because you're 40 years old doesn't make you any smarter, and judging from your writing skills and arguments I feel justified in saying you're the 'kid'. You at least look like one on RFD forums.

Good night.

[Initial_C]

Waiters actually get $6.80...

ah. thanks for the correction. I wasn't sure if it was $6.50 or $6.80. someone only told me a week ago in passing.

[Rogersguy]

Of all the 'doorknobs' 'idiots' and other b.s you're throwing around, trust me when I say your behavior is way out of the norm and you are looked upon as a cheap bastard by every server you have met since you started this practice. It may not actually mean anything to you, but just to be aware of this elimates some of your ignorance.

Just because you're 40 years old doesn't make you any smarter, and judging from your writing skills and arguments I feel justified in saying you're the 'kid'. You at least look like one on RFD forums.

Good night.I am not out to please the waiters. They are the one that should be going beyond and above their duties to EARN their tips, it should not be expected period. People like you are just scared to face the reality, nothing more nothing less.

[Person98]

The notion that tipping is expected is insane - period.

A waiter making $6.80. Let's assume $3 tip per table, 5 tables an hour = $15 extra an hour + $6.80 = $23.8/hr... not so minimum anymore. Needless to say, some choose to not declare tips as an income as well.

The tip that is left doesn't all go to the waiter.

[Rogersguy]

The tip that is left doesn't all go to the waiter.So if you tell me the owner benefits from it, then that is even more stupid and another reason why one should not tip.

[NiftyScent]

Easy to satisfy your life when such stupid simple answer is 'owned'. I am in my late 40s and he is 27... i am generous calling him a kid instead of a whining baby.
Too bad your not generous enough to tip too lol. :lol:

[Person98]

No, the owner doesn't get any of it. But, it takes more then just a waiter to provide you service at a restaurant. Not everyone working in a restaurant is a waiter.

[cy]

Waiters actually get $6.80...but the notion of not tipping is insane — period.

- Jie


No one said we shouldn't tip. But it is not something EXPECTED.

Again no one wants to answer my question: In all service industry, they all provide service, WHY DO WAITERS GET TIPS?

If anything, that poor boy at bestbuy that is non-comission that risk their life bringing the big color laser box off the ladder worth a tip more than the waiters getting tips for bringing out DISHES.

I think Rogersguy is absolutely correct. He's not saying NOT TIPPING at all. However it has to make it worth it to tip them.

There IS a reason why the same plate of food cost $7.99 while it's $4.99 at the food court - The cost of service is already on top.

How hard is it to understand?

If you are a waiter/waitress and rely on tips, sucks for you! Maybe improve your education and get better jobs? Do not make stupid comments like "I work in the food indurstry and i expect tips". I work in a bank, anyone ever tipped me? No, because if it's a good company, they will reward you. I get some VERY attractive incentive all the time.

[cy]

Too bad your not generous enough to tip too lol. :lol:

Nothing to do with generous. I rather pay the money to the people in africa than paying them for nothing. HOWEVER if their service is good, i wouldn't mind.

It's like paying beggars, why? They have arms and legs, why don't they attemp the find a job. They have done nothing special, why do i need to pay them?

On the other hand, if anyone passed by Eaton centre lately, there's this guy that draws on the ground using chalk, very impressive. I put a $20 bill in his jar because he's actually DOING something.

[cy]

The tip that is left doesn't all go to the waiter.

Depends on restruant, some of them do have ALL of them go to the waiter.

[cy]

Of all the 'doorknobs' 'idiots' and other b.s you're throwing around, trust me when I say your behavior is way out of the norm and you are looked upon as a cheap bastard by every server you have met since you started this practice. It may not actually mean anything to you, but just to be aware of this elimates some of your ignorance.

Just because you're 40 years old doesn't make you any smarter, and judging from your writing skills and arguments I feel justified in saying you're the 'kid'. You at least look like one on RFD forums.

Good night.

Who said 40 yrs old can't be calling people doorknobs and idiots when they deserved to be called?

Why dont' you go and tip EVERYONE that have served you in your life?

Again my comment to this is: Mcdonald staff brings you food, some of them even COOK them (the one that opens 24hr that doesn't have too many staff). They take your cash, give you change. Why dont' you give them tips?

[cy]

actually, minimum wage varies for all provinces. I'm not sure about other provinces... but in regards to Ontario...

not all minimum wage gets tips. but there are different minimum wages for different jobs. the minimum wage right now is $7.75. However, if you are waitstaff, minimum wage is $6.50 because it is assumed they will get tips which will boost their income. and yes, this is in the labour laws. You can read it here at their website if you wish. (http://bsa.cbsc.org/gol/bsa/site.nsf/en/su07098.html#a3)

Where did it show me tips is included.

All i can find is:
wages
«salaire»

"wages" includes every form of remuneration for work performed but does not include tips and other gratuities;

And mininum wage is definitely not $6.80 nowadays.

[cy]

Waiters actually get $6.80...but the notion of not tipping is insane — period.

- Jie

Our fault? Or their fault and luck for not able to get a better job with more stable income?

Sorry, i ain't spending my hard earn money on someone that doesn't provide me extra service. The money i paid for food already included the service, unless it's above and beyond.

[Person98]

No one said we shouldn't tip. But it is not something EXPECTED.





But it is EXPECTED that you tip, thats why the givernment sets a different minimum wage for waiters, because they expect people to tip. Now, you are never forced to tip, but it is expected. You are also not forced to go to a restaurant with waiter service either.

[cy]

Owned. No such good awnser for that one.


Read above, he answered you that. owned? (Is that how you use it? I am not sure since i am not a kid)

[cy]

But it is EXPECTED that you tip, thats why the givernment sets a different minimum wage for waiters, because they expect people to tip. Now, you are never forced to tip, but it is expected. You are also not forced to go to a restaurant with waiter service either.

Again, you are not getting my point. We don't NEED to tip waiters that doesn't deliver any service. If they deliver good service, i have no problem tipping 10 - 20%. However they do NOT come up and expect tips when they have done nothing special. Worst of all, we were being told that "If you don't tip enough, next time you go back, your food will be messed". Tipping has became a "guarentee of the cleaniness of the food"?

[Person98]

Our fault? Or their fault and luck for not able to get a better job with more stable income?

Sorry, i ain't spending my hard earn money on someone that doesn't provide me extra service. The money i paid for food already included the service, unless it's above and beyond.

Yes they are providing you extra service, they are bringing the food to your table, pouring your water, cleaning up after you, etc... Something that a place like Mcdonalds does not do.

[cy]

Do you ever go out to eat with other people? Aren't they embarrassed of you when it comes time to pay the tab and you want change for your almost-non-existent tip? I was trying to make the point that you would feel comfortable leaving a $2 tip on a $58 tab but it seems like I overestimated you!

If you want a longer explanation about this, I recommend seeing the first 10 minutes of the movie Reservoir Dogs. You remind me of the Steve Buscemi character to a T.

BTW, I'm 27. How old are you? I'm very curious to find out how old someone is who is calling me a kid on RFD forums.

If they want tips, out of courtesy, they should refund the money. It's not THEIR money. The bill said $58, I should expect $2 back on the plate if $60 is paid, whether or not I take it back. Unless it saids $58, and i put down 3x $20 + 1x $10, that's an obivious. That is the mininum manner they should show to their customers.

[cy]

Yes they are providing you extra service, they are bringing the food to your table, pouring your water, cleaning up after you, etc... Something that a place like Mcdonalds does not do.

If you don't put your empty tray back to the garbage can, who cleans up after you? Who brings you food from the back? Who fill your pop? Who RE-fill your pop?

[Person98]

Again, you are not getting my point. We don't NEED to tip waiters that doesn't deliver any service. If they deliver good service, i have no problem tipping 10 - 20%. However they do NOT come up and expect tips when they have done nothing special. Worst of all, we were being told that "If you don't tip enough, next time you go back, your food will be messed". Tipping has became a "guarentee of the cleaniness of the food"?

Ageed, waiters should not threaten anybody if they choose not to tip. But, the point is in Canada, it is expected that part of a waiter's wage will come from the customer. Occasionally if service is really poor, you may choose to not tip. But, If they deliver the service that is expected of them it is Expected that a tip will be left.

[Person98]

If you don't put your empty tray back to the garbage can, who cleans up after you? Who brings you food from the back? Who fill your pop? Who RE-fill your pop?

Yes but the Mcdonalds employee is getting the full minimum wage to do this, The waiter is not. The customer is expected to tip the waiter for his service to offset this.

[cy]

Ageed, waiters should not threaten anybody if they choose not to tip. But, the point is in Canada, it is expected that part of a waiter's wage will come from the customer. Occasionally if service is really poor, you may choose to not tip. But, If they deliver the service that is expected of them it is Expected that a tip will be left.

I agree, but there shouldn't be a standard (I know there is a 10 - 15% now). If the service is just normal, paying $60 for $58 bill is reasonable. If it's above and beyond, even if i only have 3x $60, i will take out my visa card, just because i want to give them tip. (given if they accept visa)

[cy]

Yes but the Mcdonalds employee is getting the full minimum wage to do this, The waiter is not. The customer is expected to tip the waiter for his service to offset this.

Does not happen all the time. I know at least 5 people worknig as a waiter getting $8 CASH/hr + tips.

If not, it will be the employer to ensure them to get the money they deserve.

I agree they deserve more, but shouldn't EXPECT to be coming from customers. It 'COULD' be coming from customer is the word.

[cy]

This is EXACTLY what i wanted to say: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3856112&postcount=754

And I am sure that is Rogersguy's point too.

[Initial_C]

Where did it show me tips is included.

All i can find is:
wages
«salaire»

"wages" includes every form of remuneration for work performed but does not include tips and other gratuities;

And mininum wage is definitely not $6.80 nowadays.

actually, as it turns out Ma_Jie and I were both wrong. It's $6.75 apparently.

http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/factsheets/fs_wage.html

look under the wages section - liquor servers minimum wage - February 1, 2006.

minimum wage generally is $7.75 but like I said, waitstaff's minimum wage is less because it's ASSUMED they'll get tips hence easily doubling their pay (or even tripling their pay) within the hour. and since it's a tip, it's not a part of their wages nor is it tax deductable I believe. whether or not you agree with tipping, I don't really care cause I don't always tip myself depending on the service. the point is, though, it is a societal norm hence it IS expected. and no, they shouldn't be doing things to our food if we don't tip them. but some waitstaff may feel entitled to a tip regardless of their service which sometimes I think is appauling. now whether or not, tipping SHOULD be a societal norm is up for debate; however, currently it is which you cannot deny. cause if you ask anyone, how much should one tip in Canada, most people immediately answer 10-15%.

[Spray]

Not to be offensive...but clearly rogersguy if you're that cheap you shouldn't be eating out in the first place. This is a website looking for deals, not to downright screw people over. Tipping is the norm here, that's just the way it is.

If tipping wasn't the norm, waiters would have to be paid more and the restraunt would have to raise their menu prices to offset this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize this. I always tip 10-20% if the service was done as it should be.

Seriously it's either tip them or the restaurant jacks their prices to offset it. If you dont feel like tipping...go to Subway or Mcdonalds which seems as it is all you can afford. If you're in your late forties and you cant grasp the concept of tipping I truly feel sorry for you.

[cy]

Not to be offensive...but clearly rogersguy if you're that cheap you shouldn't be eating out in the first place. This is a website looking for deals, not to downright screw people over. Tipping is the norm here, that's just the way it is.

If tipping wasn't the norm, waiters would have to be paid more and the restraunt would have to raise their menu prices to offset this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize this. I always tip 10-20% if the service was done as it should be.

Seriously it's either tip them or the restaurant jacks their prices to offset it. If you dont feel like tipping...go to Subway or Mcdonalds which seems as it is all you can afford. If you're in your late forties and you cant grasp the concept of tipping I truly feel sorry for you.


You are just NOT getting it: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3856112&postcount=754

Read the full thread. Is it our fault for them to pay THIS low? No offend to the waiters, but I see tips as a bonus. If you work hard, you are VERY well deserve it. If you don't work hard, you might still get it, but don't expect it.

[cy]

how much should one tip in Canada, most people immediately answer 10-15%.

If the service is done well.


Otherwise, what is the difference between eating in a restruant vs fast food? Good point up there.

[Initial_C]

Otherwise, what is the difference between eating in a restruant vs fast food? Good point up there.

honestly? I have no idea.

I'm guessing cause fast food, you just pick up your food and go. you throw out your own food when you're done. whereas restaurants, the waiter/waitress actually has to serve you for an hour or so. and well... be at your beck and call during that meal and then clean up after you when you're done.

actually, from a personal standpoint, I always question about tipping at buffets. not AYCEs where people bring you the food but like the Mandarin and stuff. they don't really serve you the food as you have to go out and get it yourself. all they really do is refill your drink and clear the plates which they don't often really do. :confused:

[cy]

honestly? I have no idea.

I'm guessing cause fast food, you just pick up your food and go. you throw out your own food when you're done. whereas restaurants, the waiter/waitress actually has to serve you for an hour or so. and well... be at your beck and call during that meal and then clean up after you when you're done.

actually, from a personal standpoint, I always question about tipping at buffets. not AYCEs where people bring you the food but like the Mandarin and stuff. they don't really serve you the food as you have to go out and get it yourself. all they really do is refill your drink and clear the plates which they don't often really do. :confused:

Again, i think this rule applies very well: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3856112&postcount=754

If they show service, they VERY well deserve the tip. If not, they should not be getting it...at least not somewhere close to 10%.

[Initial_C]

Again, i think this rule applies very well: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3856112&postcount=754

If they show service, they VERY well deserve the tip. If not, they should not be getting it...at least not somewhere close to 10%.

but if you're at a buffet, it's hard to show good service because there's not alot of waitstaffing to do really.

moreover... the reason why I posed this question... assuming that the waiter/waitress worked hard during a regular/non-buffet meal, s/he would get 15% for being courteous and all that extra stuff of busily running around. now another waiter/waitress at a buffet hardly does any work in comparison (but of course is still nice and courteous) but still gets 15%? For some reason, that seems kinda odd and almost unfair to me. :confused:

[cy]

but if you're at a buffet, it's hard to show good service because there's not alot of waitstaffing to do really.

moreover... the reason why I posed this question... assuming that the waiter/waitress worked hard during a regular/non-buffet meal, s/he would get 15% for being courteous and all that extra stuff of busily running around. now another waiter/waitress at a buffet hardly does any work in comparison (but of course is still nice and courteous) but still gets 15%? For some reason, that seems kinda odd and almost unfair to me. :confused:


It's at your discreationary. I personally wouldn't tip too much (definitely less than 10%), but i will still do since they did take away the dishes, bring out food and stuff to the panels.

[j5kang]

people who don't tip and make excuses... you're just being cheap and trying to cover it up.. stop the front, and just admit it...

I completely agree the logic behind tipping is flawed, but u can't deny it's a part of the Canadian culture...it's expected when you DINE at a restaurant.. just FREAKING tip, and be done with it.

there are alot of things in the world that you don't HAVE to do, but are expected as a proper member of society... do you fart in a crowded elevator? do you pick your nose while eating chicken wings? do you not wear deodorant?

If you don't tip, its fine, that's your decision... but PLEASE don't act like you're right, and everyone is wrong...

[cy]

people who don't tip and make excuses... you're just being cheap and trying to cover it up.. stop the front, and just admit it...

I completely agree the logic behind tipping is flawed, but u can't deny it's a part of the Canadian culture...it's expected when you DINE at a restaurant.. just FREAKING tip, and be done with it.

there are alot of things in the world that you don't HAVE to do, but are expected as a proper member of society... do you fart in a crowded elevator? do you pick your nose while eating chicken wings? do you not wear deodorant?

If you don't tip, its fine, that's your decision... but PLEASE don't act like you're right, and everyone is wrong...

No one is acting like they are right or wrong. You are no better than anyone - You are not even taking the time reading before putting up your comment. THis has already gotten to the bottom of it, and FYI since you are so lazy: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3856112&postcount=754

This explains the whole situation very well.

Yes it's a CULTURE. Canada is multi-culture, you are free to do whatever you want. However the culture that everyone believes in regardless of the nationality is - If you want extra money, you gotta work for it. This goes for all profession.

Having tons of money and tip regardless is either:
1) It's already a norm for them and those tips are just like $0.01 to them.
2) They feel PITY for the waiter.

People that use 2 seconds to think will understand the whole point behind that post. So do yourself and the public a favour: Take a time and read the post.

If i am cheap for not tipping someone didn't provide me proper/good service, then YOU are cheap for not tipping the bus driver. According to your theory - You should tip regardless because it's the culture when someone provide you services.

And again it comes down to the point where you didn't even read the previous posts and jump the gun - All of the above have been discussed before as to when should we tip or not to tip. There's not really a set of rules we have to follow when it comes down to tipping.

Having these said, I think you will probably be coming up with another creative answer that is full of non-sense. However I am just going to leave you at this point, no hard feeling done to anyone here, the bottom of the discussion has been reached. If you insist tipping a under-service waiter is still a standard, good luck in your life - You are blind, and stupid.

[Mgz]

It's not mandatory, but it is expected. Servers/waitresses make less than minimum wage and make up the difference in tips. It's just the way it is here.

I suspect the owner of restaurant pays them minimum wage because he/she knows they can get a decent income from tips.

[cy]

I suspect the owner of restaurant pays them minimum wage because he/she knows they can get a decent income from tips.

And afterall, the main point behind "tips" is an incentive for waiters/waitress to work harder. It's acting like what other company like to call it a - bonus.

[xenyz]

Who said 40 yrs old can't be calling people doorknobs and idiots when they deserved to be called?

Why dont' you go and tip EVERYONE that have served you in your life?

Again my comment to this is: Mcdonald staff brings you food, some of them even COOK them (the one that opens 24hr that doesn't have too many staff). They take your cash, give you change. Why dont' you give them tips?

I can't believe what a mess this thread has turned into.

All I'm saying is that it's expected of you to tip your waiter/server when you get table service at restaurants in North America. This is established fact! This is 'reality' as Rogersguy ironically stated.

If you do not want to tip, please don't eat out in restaurants!

I'm not debating the pros and cons of a best buy employee getting tipped. And regarding the McDonalds employees I already explained that. I barely consider a McDonalds a restaurant anyway.

edit: this may be useful.

ex·pect (k-spkt) [P]
v. ex·pect·ed, ex·pect·ing, ex·pects
v. tr.
1.
1. To look forward to the probable occurrence or appearance of: expecting a telephone call; expects rain on Sunday.
2. To consider likely or certain: expect to see them soon. See Usage Note at anticipate.
2. To consider reasonable or due: We expect an apology.
3. To consider obligatory; require: The school expects its pupils to be on time.
4. Informal. To presume; suppose.

[cy]

If you do not want to tip, please don't eat out in restaurants!

.


So if someone throw a plate at you, you should tip.

Right.

You just feel like arguing.

[CdTriX]

being an ex waiter.... at a middle class sushi restaurant i made 100 bucks one nite, 100 dollars of tip is about 20 tables with at least 50 dollars worth in food and drinks per table..

HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO SERVE 20 TABLES in 4 hours!? it is not fun, and do you think i deserved the 100 dollars
Only stingy managers/owners take tip and split it between everyone. Those are the chinese type of restaurants. most western restaurants let the waiters keep their tips.

i have this arguement with my g/f all the damn time... i like the service and i give 15 %.. the g/f gets mad and takes back 5%.. wtf... i'm wasting money according to her. people that have not been a waiter do not understand the ammounts of stress that waiters deal with especially with customers that are very demanding.

i still have nightmares of having to serve an entire restaurant by myself because we were understaffed...

I personally do agree that people have to work for their TIP as I did. but i've noticed that a lot of the service in the more "western" restaurants lack service...

picklebarrel, kelsey's, jack astors, casey's, and east side mario, they lack service. i'm often waiting a lot and people would be talking in the back when i need to order something or want to get something. These people do not know how to properly serve a customer and deserve whatever rogersguy and cy give them.

one of the best places for service is MR.Greek on yonge and eglington. They have always treated me the way i've treated customers in the past.

-Hosttess/host would show me to a good seat... and gives us some time to settle down and browse the menu.
-A waiter/waitress will take our drink orders and askes if we'd like some apetizer, we give our drink orders and order an apetizer,
- Drinks come with bread and they ask me if i'm ready to order. I give them my order and off they go.
- They come back with the apetizers and whatever you wanted to start with
- They take the apetizer plates and refill your drinks if need be
- they come back with the main dishes
- they come back half way through your meal to check up on you weather it be drink refills, more sauce, or just to see how you are doing.
- At the end they NEVER EVER GIVE YOU THE BILL. this is vital a lot of restaurants automatically give you the bill after you've done and i think that's offensive. They ask me if i want anything else like coffee, tea, desert as they clear the plates and i decline and ask for the bill.
- Pay with card or cash, with cash THEY ALWAYS GIVE CHANGE BACK unless i tell them they can keep it. Card, they fold the reciept nice onto the card so when i take my card i take the reciept aswell. i sign and leave them 15+ % tip because it's hard to find a place with good service. i i hide it from the wife and leave it on the table..
- THEY DO NOT LOOK AT IT OR TAKE IT unless i either give it to them or i leave it on the table and the put it in their pocket.

i believe that's the rudest thing a waiter can do..

that's just my opinion on service from someone that was once in their shoes before.

[j5kang]

No one is acting like they are right or wrong. You are no better than anyone - You are not even taking the time reading before putting up your comment. THis has already gotten to the bottom of it, and FYI since you are so lazy: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3856112&postcount=754

This explains the whole situation very well.

Yes it's a CULTURE. Canada is multi-culture, you are free to do whatever you want. However the culture that everyone believes in regardless of the nationality is - If you want extra money, you gotta work for it. This goes for all profession.

Having tons of money and tip regardless is either:
1) It's already a norm for them and those tips are just like $0.01 to them.
2) They feel PITY for the waiter.

People that use 2 seconds to think will understand the whole point behind that post. So do yourself and the public a favour: Take a time and read the post.

If i am cheap for not tipping someone didn't provide me proper/good service, then YOU are cheap for not tipping the bus driver. According to your theory - You should tip regardless because it's the culture when someone provide you services.

And again it comes down to the point where you didn't even read the previous posts and jump the gun - All of the above have been discussed before as to when should we tip or not to tip. There's not really a set of rules we have to follow when it comes down to tipping.

Having these said, I think you will probably be coming up with another creative answer that is full of non-sense. However I am just going to leave you at this point, no hard feeling done to anyone here, the bottom of the discussion has been reached. If you insist tipping a under-service waiter is still a standard, good luck in your life - You are blind, and stupid.

First of all, my post was mainly directed to people who don't tip in general... your entire post is completely irrelevant........

I agree with the link w/ the quote.. it's funny how nicely that poster can voice his opinion.. whereas you and other people have to be so rude...

What theory????? No... you tip in certain situations, not any service you are offered... if you are not sure which ones, open your eyes and observe...

also i don't know how you concluded to that last point, but yeah... keep making things up to back up your "argument"....

[cy]

being an ex waiter.... at a middle class sushi restaurant i made 100 bucks one nite, 100 dollars of tip is about 20 tables with at least 50 dollars worth in food and drinks per table..

HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO SERVE 20 TABLES in 4 hours!? it is not fun, and do you think i deserved the 100 dollars
Only stingy managers/owners take tip and split it between everyone. Those are the chinese type of restaurants. most western restaurants let the waiters keep their tips.

i have this arguement with my g/f all the damn time... i like the service and i give 15 %.. the g/f gets mad and takes back 5%.. wtf... i'm wasting money according to her. people that have not been a waiter do not understand the ammounts of stress that waiters deal with especially with customers that are very demanding.

i still have nightmares of having to serve an entire restaurant by myself because we were understaffed...

I personally do agree that people have to work for their TIP as I did. but i've noticed that a lot of the service in the more "western" restaurants lack service...

picklebarrel, kelsey's, jack astors, casey's, and east side mario, they lack service. i'm often waiting a lot and people would be talking in the back when i need to order something or want to get something. These people do not know how to properly serve a customer and deserve whatever rogersguy and cy give them.

one of the best places for service is MR.Greek on yonge and eglington. They have always treated me the way i've treated customers in the past.

-Hosttess/host would show me to a good seat... and gives us some time to settle down and browse the menu.
-A waiter/waitress will take our drink orders and askes if we'd like some apetizer, we give our drink orders and order an apetizer,
- Drinks come with bread and they ask me if i'm ready to order. I give them my order and off they go.
- They come back with the apetizers and whatever you wanted to start with
- They take the apetizer plates and refill your drinks if need be
- they come back with the main dishes
- they come back half way through your meal to check up on you weather it be drink refills, more sauce, or just to see how you are doing.
- At the end they NEVER EVER GIVE YOU THE BILL. this is vital a lot of restaurants automatically give you the bill after you've done and i think that's offensive. They ask me if i want anything else like coffee, tea, desert as they clear the plates and i decline and ask for the bill.
- Pay with card or cash, with cash THEY ALWAYS GIVE CHANGE BACK unless i tell them they can keep it. Card, they fold the reciept nice onto the card so when i take my card i take the reciept aswell. i sign and leave them 15+ % tip because it's hard to find a place with good service. i i hide it from the wife and leave it on the table..
- THEY DO NOT LOOK AT IT OR TAKE IT unless i either give it to them or i leave it on the table and the put it in their pocket.

i believe that's the rudest thing a waiter can do..

that's just my opinion on service from someone that was once in their shoes before.

I agree. If the waiter/waitress did their job nicely, I WILL DEFINITELY TIP. I have the money, just not willing to give it to those who EXPECT the tips while the others work hard for it.

[Rogersguy]

people who don't tip and make excuses... you're just being cheap and trying to cover it up.. stop the front, and just admit it...

I completely agree the logic behind tipping is flawed, but u can't deny it's a part of the Canadian culture...it's expected when you DINE at a restaurant.. just FREAKING tip, and be done with it.

there are alot of things in the world that you don't HAVE to do, but are expected as a proper member of society... do you fart in a crowded elevator? do you pick your nose while eating chicken wings? do you not wear deodorant?

If you don't tip, its fine, that's your decision... but PLEASE don't act like you're right, and everyone is wrong...
It's expected? Spare me your BS factory stuff. Of course it's my right not to tip unless I feel like it. Anyone who tells me I am expected to tip, that is a crock of crap. The analogies that you're using is completely irrelevant. Again, if they provide bad service causing the customers not to come back, they'll get fired, so if they provide good service to keep and bring more customers, why shouldn't the owner reward them? Tipping is the owner's responsibility, not mine. As for the farting and picking nose stuff, obviously you do it hence you bring it up. Donkey.

[Rogersguy]

I can't believe what a mess this thread has turned into.

All I'm saying is that it's expected of you to tip your waiter/server when you get table service at restaurants in North America. This is established fact! This is 'reality' as Rogersguy ironically stated.

If you do not want to tip, please don't eat out in restaurants!Expected? Fact? If I don't tip, am I banned from a restaurant? As far as I know, I don't get banned. So how is it expected? How is it a fact? Where is it written out as a fact? It's turning into a mess because of donkies like you refuse to see the light.

[Rogersguy]

but if you're at a buffet, it's hard to show good service because there's not alot of waitstaffing to do really.

moreover... the reason why I posed this question... assuming that the waiter/waitress worked hard during a regular/non-buffet meal, s/he would get 15% for being courteous and all that extra stuff of busily running around. now another waiter/waitress at a buffet hardly does any work in comparison (but of course is still nice and courteous) but still gets 15%? For some reason, that seems kinda odd and almost unfair to me. :confused:Someone define me what a waiter/waitress' job description is. Braing me dishes, bring me to my table, bring me food, take my order... so what exactly have they done above and beyond their job description that earned them a tip?

[Rogersguy]

honestly? I have no idea.

I'm guessing cause fast food, you just pick up your food and go. you throw out your own food when you're done. whereas restaurants, the waiter/waitress actually has to serve you for an hour or so. and well... be at your beck and call during that meal and then clean up after you when you're done. Isn't that their job duties? If they get paid extra for that, so what are their base pay for? To stand around and look like idiots?

[Rogersguy]

Yes they are providing you extra service, they are bringing the food to your table, pouring your water, cleaning up after you, etc... Something that a place like Mcdonalds does not do.Extra service my bum, donkey. That is part of their job, that's what they're hired for. If that is considered as extra service, what are those that don't provide these extra service supposed to do? Pathetic response - 0%.

[Rogersguy]

Yes but the Mcdonalds employee is getting the full minimum wage to do this, The waiter is not. The customer is expected to tip the waiter for his service to offset this.More BS from your factory. McDonalds employees get paid to cook burgers/fries etc and take orders. Waiters/waitress get paid to take orders, bring food to table, clean tables and so on. So what exactly extra did they do that deserve them extra pay? If they're doing a good job, tip comes from their boss, not me. What's so hard to understand, donkey?

[Rogersguy]

But it is EXPECTED that you tip, thats why the givernment sets a different minimum wage for waiters, because they expect people to tip. Now, you are never forced to tip, but it is expected. You are also not forced to go to a restaurant with waiter service either.Yeah, they expect people to tip and some turn around and not even declare it as income? I go eat a burger at MCD for $2, a similar burger costs $10 at a restaurant, you're telling me the service provided is not included in the price? Donkey.

[xenyz]

Man this Rogersguy is on a roll.. I wonder if there is a correlation between people who don't tip and surly behavior.

It's the way the restaurant and food service industry works whether you agree with it or not. Period. End of paragraph.

I'm not going to bother arguing anymore because you're so convinced it wouldn't matter.

I will only point you towards another thread that keeps hovering around the Food forum if you get bored with this one.

People who left $1.50 as tip for a $80 meal tab should be...roasted on the BBQ no questions asked (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137248)

[express.items]

Rogersguy & Cy : Agreed
Everyone else : Agreed

I agree that it is expected that people tip, but I also agree with Rogersguy & Cy when they say the waiter(ess) should EARN their tip.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128478&page=1&pp=15

I got flamed for not tipping. I have no problem tipping, last time I went to Jack Astors I tipped 10% (of total with tax), cuz the waiteress did a good job. A few weeks later, I went to Frankie Tomatoes, I didn't tip cuz my cup was DRY, I ended up drinking from my neighbours cup, and then her cup stayed dry. I know I could've asked for water but I feel they (waiter/waitress) should fill up my cup. I went through 3 plates of food and my cup was still empty, I think 3 plates is ample enough for them to realize my cup needs water... he came gave everyone the bill (we asked for separate so it had to come earlier) we all still went to get some more food/dessert, we all paid, my/her cup STILL dry, plate removal was also slow..

I paid for both with VISA, I simply filled in $0.00 for tip at Frankies. The service I got at Jack Astor's was awesome. She would fill up my cup, from time-to-time she'd pass by the table asking if we okay (i.e. need anything).

I understand most of they get "less than" minimum wage and rely on tip. I also, realize that what they do get paid should be ample enough to do a proper job at least, I mean it was clear that he noticed our cups were empty, he could've simply filled it up.

I almost make it a rule that if my cup stays empty they loose their tip (or a good chunk of it). I went to Mandarin (on Woodbine, north of Steeles). The service was sub-par, cup was empty for 12mins before I asked for water, waiter wasn't too friendly, barely noticed my table. Tipped nothing, funny thing, I went to the cashier to pay for it, they said I gotta pay my waiter, I turn around and he's there. Where was he when I needed service at my table? :confused:

I went to Mandarin (Yonge & Eglinton), service was excellent, cup wasn't empty. Waiteress asked me if I wanted sauces (butter for crab legs, something for someone else). You know how the legs are big, and the little bone plate they have is rather too small, she asked if I would like a bigger bone plate and went off and got one. Would drop by to see if we needed anything, etc. I tipped 10%.

Although the tip is expected, it should be earned. They are getting paid to at least do a half-decent job.

[Rogersguy]

Excellent and well done, express.items.

[Rogersguy]

Man this Rogersguy is on a roll.. I wonder if there is a correlation between people who don't tip and surly behavior.Such as those who insist tipping is expected regardless of how service is? Does that reflect how much of a wimp you're in person?

[express.items]

Excellent and well done, express.items.

Cheers, it's lovely when the waiter isn't there when you need service, but the momment you want to pay, it's like your the only customer there.

[xenyz]

Such as those who insist tipping is expected regardless of how service is? Does that reflect how much of a wimp you're in person?

haha. thanks for the jokes. i've been sick for a week and that laugh is the first thing thats made me feel better since.

Your ass should be banned already for all these personal attacks anyway.

Now fcuk off.

[Ma_Jie]

If you don't want to tip at least 10% minimum, and I usually tip 15-20%, don't eat out — period.

- MJ.

PS. I'm glad Rogersguy got banned; he shouldn't call people donkeys.

[alv077]

There IS a reason why the same plate of food cost $7.99 while it's $4.99 at the food court - The cost of service is already on top.

You're my new best friend.

[Spongebob99]

If you don't want to tip at least 10% minimum, and I usually tip 15-20%, don't eat out — period.

- MJ.

PS. I'm glad Rogersguy got banned; he shouldn't call people donkeys.
Wow, took me almost an hour to read through this thread. :lol: I agree with you, Ma_Jie, that Rogersguy was way out of line to drop personal attacks like that. :( Having said that, he does have good points, only if he posted it in a nicer way. :) I strongly believe the amount of tip is directly proportional to level of service and should not be expected. :) Good points by cy too about how the same plate of food can cost different between a food court and restaurant. :idea: So I don't agree with you that if one doesn't tip, they shouldn't eat out. :( That is wrong. :(

[express.items]

Wow, took me almost an hour to read through this thread. :lol: I agree with you, Ma_Jie, that Rogersguy was way out of line to drop personal attacks like that. :( Having said that, he does have good points, only if he posted it in a nicer way. :) I strongly believe the amount of tip is directly proportional to level of service and should not be expected. :) Good points by cy too about how the same plate of food can cost different between a food court and restaurant. :idea: So I don't agree with you that if one doesn't tip, they shouldn't eat out. :( That is wrong. :(

Agreed.

[porsche118]

Wow, took me almost an hour to read through this thread. :lol: I agree with you, Ma_Jie, that Rogersguy was way out of line to drop personal attacks like that. :( Having said that, he does have good points, only if he posted it in a nicer way. :) I strongly believe the amount of tip is directly proportional to level of service and should not be expected. :) Good points by cy too about how the same plate of food can cost different between a food court and restaurant. :idea: So I don't agree with you that if one doesn't tip, they shouldn't eat out. :( That is wrong. :(

i have to agree, and besides not everyone eats out all the time and eating out once in a while isn't that bad. also im pretty sure someone said something about the tip's, you dont always have to give 10-15% before tax, it really depends on how the service was... but even if it wasnt good you should still leave a little just so it wouldn't be that rude. but hey thats just what i think lol :D

[Ma_Jie]

But honestly, if you give <10%, don't go back. Servers make so little, and the fact that food comes out slow is, more often than not, hardly their fault: if it's a full house and the kitchen is getting slammed, that's just how it is; the cooks can only cook so fast (which is, of course, compounded with large parties, say 8 or more). I've worked both FOH and BOH in a restaurant so I know how hard most servers work. Moreover, the fact that a dish is $10.99 in a restaurant and, say, $5.99 at a food court, is not totally because "service is built in." There are, generally, three reasons for the menu price: 33% (roughly) goes to ingredient cost; 33% goes to staff costs (e.g., the cooks, waitstaff, etc); and 33% is gross profit. Servers depend on tips — it's the North American way — so don't ever leave a zero tip unless the server makes totally egregious errors — you're only hurting the server and the restaurant industry as a whole.

- JiE

PS. Also, it should be noteed that all servers have to "tip out" a portion — which varies widely — of their income earned from tips. So if you tip very little, or nothing, you're impacting ALL staff.

[jedijome]

here's my problem.

i normally tip 5 to 20% depending on the level of service. usually i always leave around 15% if the service has been good and that usually means, quick and prompt service, attention to detail, cheerful and friendly servers and having my drinks kept nice and full regularly. The only time i leave 5% or less is when the waiter/waitress is rude or surly, didn't check up on us once, or didn't pay us any attention at all. yes the place might have been busy, but you know what, the other tables that you paid all the attention to can tip you, so i'm not going to feel bad about leaving you 5% or less.

the only time i don't feel like ever leaving a tip again (which i might very well not do next time) is when i come into threads like this and see people who are waiters/waitresses and who try to shove the whole notion, that we have to tip if we're going to eat out, down our throats. who the hell are you to tell me "if you don't tip, don't eat out." i'll do whatever the bloody hell i want, and if you keep that up , i'm never tipping anyone ever again.

so what if thats the culture in canda, maybe it was the prevalent caucasian culture god knows how many years ago, but we're also a multicultural nation and i guess times change. The opinions on this very board prove that it's no longer the dominant culture. Besides the past is overrated and it's time to evolve. i don't see you wearing the same clothes and watching the same tv shows your parents watched in the 70's so why should we keep tipping the same way?

[jedijome]

But honestly, if you give <10%, don't go back.

thats the kind of attitude i hate, and really makes me reconsider the whole notion of tipping anyone, ever.

[Ma_Jie]

Unfortunately, I do not think this debate will ever be resolved; people are just too set in their ways which is OK.

By the way, it should be noted that I have *never* served; serving is not only the FOH position. My only wish, I guess, is that low-tippers were able to experience what servers go through: serving is not a cakewalk. Working in *any* service industry is hardly a cakewalk.

The general trend, at least my experience, is that tips are rising — e.g., quite often, at bars, I notice people tipping 20%+.

- Jie

[jedijome]

serving is not a cakewalk. Working in *any* service industry is hardly a cakewalk.


exactly! so what makes waiters/waitresses so special that they need a tip. next time instead of tipping your food server write your friendly bank attendant a $5 cheque or how about giving a couple of dollars to the people serving you at a food court, or how about the people that clean your tables at the food court and or how about the garbage collectors, secretaries, janitors and so on.

the service industry isn't a cakewalk for anyone, so why do waitresses/waiters deserve such special attention. i say they start getting $8-12 bucks and hour, just like everyone else in the fast food/service industry and we stop tipping completely, keeps things nice and simple.

[cy]

exactly! so what makes waiters/waitresses so special that they need a tip. next time instead of tipping your food server write your friendly bank attendant a $5 cheque or how about giving a couple of dollars to the people serving you at a food court, or how about the people that clean your tables at the food court and or how about the garbage collectors, secretaries, janitors and so on.

the service industry isn't a cakewalk for anyone, so why do waitresses/waiters deserve such special attention. i say they start getting $8-12 bucks and hour, just like everyone else in the fast food/service industry and we stop tipping completely, keeps things nice and simple.


I agree.

If anything, i think the people at Mcdonald might do more than some waiters at restruant. They have to clean up the kitchen, stock up, count stocks, clean up the lobby, cook, take orders and take cash. You name it, they do it. Are they ALLOWED to take tips? I don't think so. I believe they have some employee rules reinforced to prevent that.

Out of courtesy, i do tip. However the mentality of "YOU HAVE TO TIP MORE THAN 10% OR ELSE NEVER GO BACK" is just wrong. If the waiter give you bad service and you tip less than 10%, does that mean you will never go back even though the food was good? Or you shouldn't go back because the waiter will do things to your food next time?

Again, i said it before, i'll say it again: "Tipping is a bonus".

Every business has an overhead cost. Sure a restruant's overhead cost might be little higher than a food court fast food, however compare to a stand alone Mcdonalds location, they are about the same. So by saying "They are charging more because they have higher overhead cost, they need to pay labour" is totally non sense. Tell me, which business doesn't need to pay for labour?

Is it up to us to determine how much the waiter make, then tip them on top so that they will make their minimum wage, or is it to the employeer? Generally if the service is decent to great, no one would arguing about tipping other than the odd couple people that might be strapped on cash. Having said that, if a waiter knows that he is making below mininum and he is relying on the tip, and if he tries his best to provide good service, i am sure he will not run into any trouble with customers not tipping. Agree?

[cy]

Unfortunately, I do not think this debate will ever be resolved; people are just too set in their ways which is OK.

By the way, it should be noted that I have *never* served; serving is not only the FOH position. My only wish, I guess, is that low-tippers were able to experience what servers go through: serving is not a cakewalk. Working in *any* service industry is hardly a cakewalk.

The general trend, at least my experience, is that tips are rising — e.g., quite often, at bars, I notice people tipping 20%+.

- Jie

Jie, this is not going to be resolved because some people tends to think tipping is mendatory and while people with clearer mind will know that it is not.

I personally cannot see myself spending my hard earned money on something that i did not recive - ie. good service from a waiter. Out of courtesy, fine - 5 - 10%. Bad service or "10% built in Service Charge" - 0%. Good service - 10%++

[Spongebob99]

Unfortunately, I do not think this debate will ever be resolved; people are just too set in their ways which is OK.

By the way, it should be noted that I have *never* served; serving is not only the FOH position. My only wish, I guess, is that low-tippers were able to experience what servers go through: serving is not a cakewalk. Working in *any* service industry is hardly a cakewalk.

The general trend, at least my experience, is that tips are rising — e.g., quite often, at bars, I notice people tipping 20%+.

- JieDear Jie :),
while I do understand servers work hard :(, please don't take this as an insult :) but it's none of my business and I really don't care because that's their job! :idea: I work 12+ hours a day at my job and no one feels sorry for me if I don't meet deadlines. :( So get over it and let others decide how much to tip and that includes 0%, how about that? :idea: Then this can be resolved. Everybody work hard at their job regardless of what industry, so don't single out waiters. :mad: What about toilet cleaners that sit in the bathroom ( I remember when I went to Asia, only once in my life though, there were these old guys cleaners sitting in the bathroom. :( As it was a buffet, lots of people go eat and then take huge stinky dump. :mad: I feel bad for him but that's his job, am I going to tip him even though I just went to pee and got my own towel to wipe my hands?
Spongebob. :)

[Spongebob99]

exactly! so what makes waiters/waitresses so special that they need a tip. next time instead of tipping your food server write your friendly bank attendant a $5 cheque or how about giving a couple of dollars to the people serving you at a food court, or how about the people that clean your tables at the food court and or how about the garbage collectors, secretaries, janitors and so on.

the service industry isn't a cakewalk for anyone, so why do waitresses/waiters deserve such special attention. i say they start getting $8-12 bucks and hour, just like everyone else in the fast food/service industry and we stop tipping completely, keeps things nice and simple.
Dear jedijome,
That's a very good idea! :idea: Everyone work hard at their jobs so why should waiters/waitress be singled out? :( I say pay everyone fair salary and no more tipping. :) I think people that love tipping should just give the waiters/waitress a blank cheque and ask them to put in what they deserve. :idea:
Spongebob :)

[Ma_Jie]

It's not that simple guys. As I posted earlier, most restaurants operate on what I'lcall the "33% principle"; that is to say, 1/3 of the menu price of a dish goes to staff costs, 1/3 goes to ingredients; and 1/3 is gross profit. Now here's an example: say a chicken entree is $15. Using the principle, $5 would go to each. NOW, if we were to pay servers more — increasing the staff cost from $5 to $7 — one of two things is going to happen: a) the overall menu price will increase, so the consumer will pay more (as restaurants are not going to want to sacrifice their profit margin) or b) they'll sacrifice on ingredients,thus delivering a lower-quality plate to the consumer. Ergo, under scenario A, the consumer will end up tipping more anyway (because the dish is now more expensive), or the customer'll get less-appetizing food and still have to tip the same. See? It's just not feasible, economically, to pay servers like $12/hour because people, generally, don't like to pay a lot for food. Would you pay $20, for example, for that chicken entree instead of $15 if the server got paid more? If it was law, only the very best restaurants, like Rain, Susur, could turn a profit.

- Jie

[jedijome]

think of it this way, if a waitress is making $6.50 right now and she waits on around 5 tables an hour. to get her salary up to $15 an hour, they would only need to charge each table an additional $1.70.

lets say there are 2 people per table, they'd have to charge each person an additional 85 cents, which is a far cry from the $5 to $10 you seem to be tacking on to every entree. if you have 5 tables with 4 people at each table then they'd have to raise prices even less.

Now since in most busy restaurants you have to deal with far more than 5 tables an hour and you usually have more than 2 people per table, suddenly you're not looking at raising your prices by much at all. Maybe 15 or 20 cents an entree' tops. and i'm sure restaurants could afford to pay servers more, just look at the profits they make from their pop alone.

The fact is, most waiters and waitresses make a butt load of money from tips and they're going to do whatever they can to preserve that kind of income. a few friends of mine used to make $200 a night easy working as a waitress while she was working her way through school. A guy friend of mine who used to be a waiter at the keg could easily make 50-100 a shift depending on his luck, and when he'd work.

Most people at other service jobs don't make that kind of money in a week after you deduct taxes and everything. The more i think of it, the less inclined i am to tip. Until i read this thread and actually thought about the whole practice of tipping, it was pretty much an automatic reaction. We'd ask for the bill, discuss the service received and then tip accordingly.

From now on I'll just call the manager over and ask them to give the waiter a raise, there's your tip that keeps on giving, right there! :D

[Spor 13]

More and more often nowadays, I've been getting pretty standard service from servers and yet I still tip normally...only cause I was a server once and I know that tips really do make a server's salary. That said, if you were to pay $15/hr to everyone that worked in the restaurant (I think cooks deserve it more than the servers) minus maybe the dishwasher and hostess/host, I don't think any restaurant could stay afloat for very long.

[porsche118]

this post will never be resolved, i just think people who want to tip should tip for the good service, etc but if you dont then its your own personal thought.
i for sure would leave couple bucks just so it wouldn't look that bad even if its not 10-15% before tax. and when i do that i usually dont go back its as simple as that.
it only takes one bad experience from one waiter/waitress to decide if your going back or not. as well as the food of course :lol:
anyways i just think waiters or waitresses should not get special treatment just because the want to do what they do. there are many other jobs out there, but if your a waiter or waitress and you complain.. then find another job or GIVE better service to people.

[wasabiangel]

Only stingy managers/owners take tip and split it between everyone. Those are the chinese type of restaurants. most western restaurants let the waiters keep their tips.


I just wanted to say that not all western places let you keep your tip. I've personally worked at Caffe Demetre and they take a percentage of your sales, so it's worse than tip...
I've worked at sushi places where they take a percentage out of my tip to give to the kitchen staff and bar tender...
Also I've worked at all you can eat sushi places (Chinese owned) where we get tipped really well even when we tip out to the kitchen staff...
So it's not just chinese places that take people's money and not all western places let servers keep all their tips!!! Western restaurants aren't necessarily nicer to their staff.

[wasabiangel]

I suspect the owner of restaurant pays them minimum wage because he/she knows they can get a decent income from tips.


A server's pay is defined by the government just like minimum wage is for fast foods and sales, etc. Every profession has a bracket that the owners have to pay up to and not over.